@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM they are at the boat show, mate. I told them I keep searching comments on your channel to see some funny banter between you 2. Also… it was some free advertising for ya. Yew. 🤙🏽
It's incredible how tough those welders are, they have as much clothes on as I wear when it is -10(Celsius) and they can work all day, I'm just amazed by that.
Solid info, Plukky! I agree whole heatedly regarding the toughness of aluminum. Ive done some wild stuff with it in the aviation world. Composites are cool too, but for other reasons. Every material has strengths and weaknesses.
Different owners, different boat specs. Bobby just needs a platform to photograph his buxom beauties. Delos is willing to compromise for safety and family friendliness. LaVagabond insisted on a beautiful and exotic race boat that will be insufferable as a family bluewater cruiser.
Your right... If you want swiss family Robinson, click to x. If you want kids and parents, click on x. Want....hot sexy, girls, click on Bobby....😂😅🎉....
It is wrong to say Delos compromised for safety....yes for family friendliness but not for safety...the safety of a cat is its ability to cover ocean passages faster and if weather is threatening then to get out of the way...this is directly related to the weight of the vessel
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM good point. I will conceed that safety was not the best choice of words. I guess I don't have a great term to describe the compromise that is necessary to achieve something that is going to have the creature comforts that you desire, but be durable enough to withstand the inevitable challenges and be repairable by a competent crew so you will not be stranded.
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Not to mention a decent pair of dagger boards instead of those dirty great boxes sticking out of the underside! Amazed that _David D._ was willing to put his name to that questionable choice!
Regarding the issue of weight, look for the objections that Colin Chapman made regarding any high-performance vehicle. (10 kilos less before 10 hp more).The boat is spectacular, my congratulations
There aren't more aluminum cats because they are extremely labor intensive requiring highly skilled sheet aluminum metal workers and welders. Glass boats are made with low skilled workers using molds and can be built much, much faster than any other material. It takes time to build the plug that a glass mold is pulled from but from then on the shell of a glass cat can be made in a few days, not a few months that an aluminum shell takes. And that equals money. Building an aluminum boat where you are makes it much faster (all those skilled builders!) and the wages are much lower so it can be built for a lower cost than elsewhere but it still takes many times the man hours to complete. Keeping in mind that the shell is not even half the construction time and money of the fully completed and outfitted boat, it is easy to understand why there aren't more aluminum boats. It seems that the majority of the cats are designed for the charter market and not for world cruising anyway. Sailing houseboats? Houseboats with sails? Condomarans? Most are party boats not cruising boats.
I raised an eyebrow when the doctors showed the alleged polars for the Portofino and largely follow their journey to see how it pans out. By contrast, I would have expected with the performance orientation of the Odysea its polars would look more impressive. So part of following you is to see how that works out. Also, how the aluminium works out. There is obvious advantages. I wonder what tradeoffs if any rear their heads in operation.
I love reading comments, so keep commenting, people. Would you mind Plukky if I ask how long this project going on, almost a year? Coz it's like the year passes by so quickly. Soon you and your cat will sail the sea again. Can't wait for that to happen. 👏👏 Top stuff
For the all round better yacht, and fastest yacht out of the 4 you selected, my choice is on the Portofino. The hull design is way ahead of the other 3 and the tech they are employing is fantastic. I could be proven wrong but I'll keep my money on the Portofino.
So, as a complete layperson, genuine question here... why, when calculating the Sail Area is only the foretriangle considered instead of the full area of the all the sails in front of the mast? What if it is a cutter? What is there is a bowsprit? Do those increase the sail area? I'm trying to understand this so I'm better informed when I do eventually buy a boat. In this question I've assumed some stuff that may be wrong, please don't hesitate to correct those assumptions.
Love your stuff mate, keep up the great work!! Question, do you intend to do a video on how your boat compares to a Mumby and the rational behind the design changes? Or does Mumbys involvement in the project make it difficult to compare on TH-cam without brassing him off? Cheers from Sydney.
We are enjoying your videos and keep doing a great job , we are very interested in the race to finish their new catamaran as we are waiting for our new one to be finished, it's a Cure55 and we are the owners of hull number 1 , it should be finished in the next two months ( fingers crossed) Cheers Terry
One thing you missed is lite wind performance, as sailing in 4-6 knots of wind is possible with a light aluminum catamaran. Here in NZ new rules stop anything oner 15m in length using a mooring buoy is this becoming worldwide, if so that would be a consideration to stay under 15M
Not ridiculous, just a motor boat with a mast and sail, there's probably some jurisdiction where it makes sense or is tax advantageous otherwise they wouldn't make them, I've seen 40-60ft mono-hulls that have the old motor boat hull form and then a short mast and a small furling head sail and a main sail that's so small it looks like they cut the bottom 1/3 off a hobie cat's sail. Putting a sail on a motor boat doesn't make a sailing boat, but maybe it helps reduce fuel consumption when motoring down wind?
Good for them...Dont ask him to do the numbers on it though...Maths was not his strong point...he was believing the salesman rubbish on his old cat and quoted it on one of his episodes stating it was a performance boat. I looked at in a previous podcast with James and analysed and proved they were making it up....people really ought to check these things
Having only ever sailed on a 50’ ali cat which had stub keels and was great on the passage from NZ to Vava’u in northern Tonga with a stop at Minerva Reef on the way I must say I was impressed but will the dagger boards on the Odesea 48 rattle in a seaway at all?
Those house boat catamarans are built that way to attract women that have never been on a real sailboat sea and that understand what it takes. Husband will buy whatever wife likes to keep the peace as long as he gets a boat.
measured with all sails plus spinaker up 😂 you mean you dont like the granite bench tops , i had them helicoptered in from Malta lol and the bath tub .the aft jakoozi is a must for sipping penfolds grange on those summer nights as i admirer the sunset
That doodles boat is weird... it's got a triangular chair on each bow with maybe a cup holder on a gimbal....and there's silhouettes of two pirates looking at each other thinking "wtf is this????"
Boat's going really well Plukky but have you had a chance to do any spearfishing whilst the boat is being built?, is one thing i think many people enjoy from your vlogs in the past.
It's hard to get past Barefoot Doctors plumped up lips, for me. Gheez, those things catching the wind and the Portifino's stats are unpredictable. 😂 All jokes aside, I appreciate honest math and facts. Leave the alternative facts for the losing party. Thanks for sharing.
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM “By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest." - Confucius
The HH 44 can get close to wind speed. If I remember right they were doing 10 knots in 12 knot winds with no help from current. That is with a 125% front sale. I bet if tweaked (wind angle and sail angle) it could have got 11 knots. So for a non dagger board cat its pretty good. IT is also geared more towards comfort and I think it's a good boat. Also they are not speed chasers. Doodles as they turned off engine yes the engine was pushing them hit 6 knots in 13.8 knots wind. That number was going down also. So yes it is a tank in the water. I do not trust those lithium Ion batteries it has on it. I would not feel safe on that boat. adding 600 lbs. they could have went with LFP batteries and been safe. It is a tank so who cares about 600 lbs. Portofino is gonna be a cruising cat. Do you see what they will have for a boat? Amazing cat. This should be just as fast if not faster than the HH44 and can be beached, go into places most cats can not. I really love this cat. Delos they are also coming from a tank of a boat to a mid level performance cat. I say mid level because its not a racer and its not a tank. They will be more than happy with it's performance. Freedom I think you gonna miss some of the comforts you will be skimping on to save weight. If you load up your cat like the others do you would be slower also.
Are they building it yet? I didnt bother...I didnt think they sold any/enough to continue. Let me know. Should be better the Delos though just by looking at it
I've been away from this channel for some time now but am now revisiting it. It looks totally different. Mostly boat construction. Does he now work for a boat manufacture and show boat construction rather than the sailing content of years past?
@@dennispatrick4999 I watched the first 5 minutes but didn't see any sailing, checked his last few videos which showed thumbnails of boat construction and then asked my question. Did I do something wrong?
Fibreglass isn't still decent in terms of impact resistance. Elongation at break is 4%, vs 16% for 6061, and obviously it's 10 times stronger albeit unidirectionally. Additionally that 4% is pure yield whereas 6061 only has ~2% before you're into the plastic region. I think the issue is builders skimp on the layers these days. Also maybe delamination is the bottleneck here.
Aluminum....boats wanting to go the the poles should be made of it as you are likely to hit something (ice) in the water. Other areas, fiberglass is strong enough. What fiberglass isn't is loud and hot like Aluminum. That is what those who want to sail in the tropics tend to sail fiberglass boats. You don't measure a boat's sea-worthiness by crashing it into something hard. With that said, I once crashed a fiberglass 30' old C&C head on into a very large, heavy, metal sea buoy going 8 knots (3 knots of current). The only damage was the bow fiberglass was dented in about 2 feet above the water line. I couldn't even see daylight from the inside so not even sure if it would leak. The dent was 1 inch tall and 1.5 inches long and 1/4" deep. So don't go telling me fiberglass isn't strong.
Cats are almost all cored construction, your boat was likely 30 to 35mm of solid fiberglass with it likely to be about 60mm and sometimes more at the bow. That is strong but cats are not built like that...too heavy. Look at the context
Another lure of the huge floating houses is that they can be tempting to live very unhealthy and sedentary lives, often at an older age when one should be more active. I advise installing a small gym in one area to maintain fitness and live longer. Just my2c. Cheers.
How could you compare these 3 projects, they are different boats for different purposes. About the only thing you could compare is that the other two appear to have the money to complete their projects while it appears that you don’t?
How could I compare? - I just did. First rule - healthy respect for the sea and the rest follows.....and besides, heaps of people wanted me to compare....how does lack of money factor into a comparison of boats...You ought to be the president of the UN with that logic....well done!
@@peterhancox5268 Hi Peter, Plukky has been sharing his experience and thought process over many years, so his analysis has been accumulative and incremental. If you had been following this channel, and many others with all their collective knowledge, you'd come to the same conclusion, although probably without the colourful language. His "direct" observation is not a surprise to the many regular viewers. And these many regular viewers no doubt, if they had a choice, would prefer to be on the Doodles boat, if the context was in a safe harbour or coastal bay, as it is far more comfortable, but would elect one of aluminium boats for a blue ocean crossing. :o)
Shinier maybe...see my earlier episodes where the precision is shown. My boat was plasma cut so it has the surface tarnished by the water bath. But the surface all needs to be ground back in any case so makes no difference
Ha you are just so reserved and PC, I really think you ought to say what you think instead of saving peoples feelings 🙂. Just kidding we wouldn't have you any other way 🙂. You see now I am going to have to watch the start of this video again to get a grip of what those formula's are really telling me. Hell with it, drop in the 2000HP and be done with it 🙂 OK, OK I'll look at the math. Another thought don't sink it, we will never let you live it down and quote this video endlessly....
I've been subscribed to Doodles for yrs, but I hardly seen any of his videos, maybe just to check up on his latest t..tie conquest (the vids were fun when Meghan and Taylor were around). However, I was looking forward to his newest (and final?) boat, that cat made especially for him in Asia. But when he showed it a couple of weeks ago I was shocked to the extent my mouth dropped and I wanted to cry (for him). What a disaster of a boat. A Spirito sin Santos? It may be comfortable and spacious at anchor in some secluded bay or at a fancy marina, but how will the boat get there, and who will pay for the fees? The boat can certainly not sail there on its own. Nope, that channel is (and have always been) just bikinis/t..ties/iced beer/martinis and NOT anything about true sailing/underwater exploration/building and maintaining a boat/developing any sort of maritime skills, etc. Maybe I should charge Bobby for ME to watch his videos.
Well here is the difference between plastics and metal. Steel Aluminum flex differently to plastic The paints protect steel from weather and water but rust or corrosion still happens plastic no worries but the sun and cold affects all types of Plastics plastics get Brittle and degrade cracking but underneath it flexes badly. Carbon fiber is known for having issues if water gets inside before it is set also if parts crack and water gets in that is a huge issue a like de laminating. Another problem with Carbon fiber is how many times it is flexed weakens the inside out so in a mast you will not notice until it snaps. With steel or aluminum you can notice it and do something about it. Also plastics Fiberglass Carbon fiber poly-carbon they can not be reused recycled the only way to get rid of them in burn them or land fill as they do not dissolve. I wonder if can talk with Captain Rick Moore about electronics on boats things like that to what you may have as that would be interesting as he is into that sort of thing more than others are such a nice man may give you pointers.
Captain Rik is not what he seems. He ripped off my buddy to the tune of $5000 on Battleborne batteries that he knowingly destroyed and was warned by Battleborne not to sell but he did anyway to my friend (who was actually his friend at the time)...he also got warranty on it so made $5000 from his own mistake and ripped off a friend of his... If I had the time I would do an episode on it...tell him the episode is coming...I may just find the time
Always nice clicking on you tube and a new episode of Sailing into Freedom pops up. Now back to the video Cheers Mate
I informed Brian from Delos you two were in a race.
They got quite a giggle from it.
They love you Plukky.
We all do.
Good on you....they have too much on their plate to bother i reckon
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM they are at the boat show, mate. I told them I keep searching comments on your channel to see some funny banter between you 2.
Also… it was some free advertising for ya.
Yew. 🤙🏽
I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge of boats with us. I learn something new every time! Top stuff. Keep'em coming!
Boosting the numbers for that algorithm. Keep the checks coming in
Another interesting video Peter, the doodles boat is like a 3 level block of flats, anyway each to their own.
It's incredible how tough those welders are, they have as much clothes on as I wear when it is -10(Celsius) and they can work all day, I'm just amazed by that.
Me too
They are trying to feed their starving families perhaps
Another interesting discussion about catamaran design.
Solid info, Plukky! I agree whole heatedly regarding the toughness of aluminum. Ive done some wild stuff with it in the aviation world. Composites are cool too, but for other reasons. Every material has strengths and weaknesses.
Different owners, different boat specs. Bobby just needs a platform to photograph his buxom beauties. Delos is willing to compromise for safety and family friendliness. LaVagabond insisted on a beautiful and exotic race boat that will be insufferable as a family bluewater cruiser.
Your right... If you want swiss family Robinson, click to x. If you want kids and parents, click on x. Want....hot sexy, girls, click on Bobby....😂😅🎉....
You got that right. Bobby's a great salesman, especially when it comes to the melons!🎉😂❤
It is wrong to say Delos compromised for safety....yes for family friendliness but not for safety...the safety of a cat is its ability to cover ocean passages faster and if weather is threatening then to get out of the way...this is directly related to the weight of the vessel
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM good point. I will conceed that safety was not the best choice of words. I guess I don't have a great term to describe the compromise that is necessary to achieve something that is going to have the creature comforts that you desire, but be durable enough to withstand the inevitable challenges and be repairable by a competent crew so you will not be stranded.
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Not to mention a decent pair of dagger boards instead of those dirty great boxes sticking out of the underside! Amazed that _David D._ was willing to put his name to that questionable choice!
Regarding the issue of weight, look for the objections that Colin Chapman made regarding any high-performance vehicle. (10 kilos less before 10 hp more).The boat is spectacular, my congratulations
I love it... Peter tell us how you really feel about big fiberglass catamarans 😮
Well, ..
There aren't more aluminum cats because they are extremely labor intensive requiring highly skilled sheet aluminum metal workers and welders. Glass boats are made with low skilled workers using molds and can be built much, much faster than any other material. It takes time to build the plug that a glass mold is pulled from but from then on the shell of a glass cat can be made in a few days, not a few months that an aluminum shell takes. And that equals money. Building an aluminum boat where you are makes it much faster (all those skilled builders!) and the wages are much lower so it can be built for a lower cost than elsewhere but it still takes many times the man hours to complete. Keeping in mind that the shell is not even half the construction time and money of the fully completed and outfitted boat, it is easy to understand why there aren't more aluminum boats.
It seems that the majority of the cats are designed for the charter market and not for world cruising anyway.
Sailing houseboats? Houseboats with sails? Condomarans? Most are party boats not cruising boats.
I had this all in previous episodes....good for you
Condomaran..... that's hilarious🤣
Very informative video, thanks Plukky 🤗💞
Good job, Plukky, but you might get some feedback from the other boats.
Really excellent narrative. Thanks Plukky. 😊
Thanks, Plukky. Good solid info.
Always super entertaining and golden information! Have a great day peter!
Some people like 911 s and some people like Chevy Tahoe’s.they both get you from a to b , just in a different way .
great blog Plukky !!
Great video nicely done as always
I LOVE the graphs James made for you ... what 3 yrs ago!😂😂😂 Sorry, my Cap'n!! ❤❤❤🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍🍍
Hey I made those graphs...James just did the seating and quality microphones
Another great video. Nothing but quality people!!
Cheers Plukky 😊
Another great show , keep them coming
good work
Love it, Love it, Love it!
_Best episode yet!_
I raised an eyebrow when the doctors showed the alleged polars for the Portofino and largely follow their journey to see how it pans out. By contrast, I would have expected with the performance orientation of the Odysea its polars would look more impressive. So part of following you is to see how that works out. Also, how the aluminium works out. There is obvious advantages. I wonder what tradeoffs if any rear their heads in operation.
Telling it like it is.. Sail better by watching this channel!
I love reading comments, so keep commenting, people. Would you mind Plukky if I ask how long this project going on, almost a year? Coz it's like the year passes by so quickly. Soon you and your cat will sail the sea again. Can't wait for that to happen. 👏👏 Top stuff
It will be more than a year because of $ and sponsorship delays
rooting for you mate
Well done 👍👍
For the all round better yacht, and fastest yacht out of the 4 you selected, my choice is on the Portofino.
The hull design is way ahead of the other 3 and the tech they are employing is fantastic.
I could be proven wrong but I'll keep my money on the Portofino.
Wow... you really don't understand maths and physics and you believe the fake polars they put out....please don't buy a boat and sail near me
So, as a complete layperson, genuine question here... why, when calculating the Sail Area is only the foretriangle considered instead of the full area of the all the sails in front of the mast? What if it is a cutter? What is there is a bowsprit? Do those increase the sail area? I'm trying to understand this so I'm better informed when I do eventually buy a boat. In this question I've assumed some stuff that may be wrong, please don't hesitate to correct those assumptions.
Well then inform yourself - I have heaps of episodes on this stuff - go watch
Top shelf content as always mate. Love the informative videos and great to see the progress on your masterpiece of a boat.
Plukky is spreading Truth to future boat owners b/c the boat manufacturers are Not.
Love your stuff mate, keep up the great work!! Question, do you intend to do a video on how your boat compares to a Mumby and the rational behind the design changes? Or does Mumbys involvement in the project make it difficult to compare on TH-cam without brassing him off? Cheers from Sydney.
We are enjoying your videos and keep doing a great job , we are very interested in the race to finish their new catamaran as we are waiting for our new one to be finished, it's a Cure55 and we are the owners of hull number 1 , it should be finished in the next two months ( fingers crossed) Cheers Terry
One thing you missed is lite wind performance, as sailing in 4-6 knots of wind is possible with a light aluminum catamaran. Here in NZ new rules stop anything oner 15m in length using a mooring buoy is this becoming worldwide, if so that would be a consideration to stay under 15M
I agree with that....moorings usually are under maintained
Thankyou 😊
The moon and island spirit are just ridiculous. 😂
Not ridiculous, just a motor boat with a mast and sail, there's probably some jurisdiction where it makes sense or is tax advantageous otherwise they wouldn't make them, I've seen 40-60ft mono-hulls that have the old motor boat hull form and then a short mast and a small furling head sail and a main sail that's so small it looks like they cut the bottom 1/3 off a hobie cat's sail.
Putting a sail on a motor boat doesn't make a sailing boat, but maybe it helps reduce fuel consumption when motoring down wind?
@@daveamies5031 helps with stability in rolling seas.
I agree that aluminum is the best material for the job. Carbon has strength but can fail in a bad way if you ever hit something.
Hope all goes well.
Never have 'sailing channels trying to start beefs' on my bingo card.
It's friendly fun
I think O'Kelly's are building a wooden cat. They just put out a video hinting at it.
Good for them...Dont ask him to do the numbers on it though...Maths was not his strong point...he was believing the salesman rubbish on his old cat and quoted it on one of his episodes stating it was a performance boat. I looked at in a previous podcast with James and analysed and proved they were making it up....people really ought to check these things
Having only ever sailed on a 50’ ali cat which had stub keels and was great on the passage from NZ to Vava’u in northern Tonga with a stop at Minerva Reef on the way I must say I was impressed but will the dagger boards on the Odesea 48 rattle in a seaway at all?
Sailing into freedom is the best dark dry wet humour sailing channel on the toob...
. All the others are a bit on the cheeeze n port side....
Well done indeed!
Those house boat catamarans are built that way to attract women that have never been on a real sailboat sea and that understand what it takes. Husband will buy whatever wife likes to keep the peace as long as he gets a boat.
True ...but it takes one storm and she will never go on it again because there is nothing for him to do but prey...false economy
@SAILINGintoFREEDOM they are perfect as dock queens and there are some nice marina communites and sometimes that is all people want out of their boat.
Ketch rig has certain atvantages.but then you also have more rigging to deal with.
measured with all sails plus spinaker up 😂
you mean you dont like the granite bench tops , i had them helicoptered in from Malta lol and the bath tub .the aft jakoozi is a must for sipping penfolds grange on those summer nights as i admirer the sunset
Oozing quality peoples
So no Carrara marble in the ODC bathroom after all...I already had an inexpensive Italian supplier up my sleeve and will now have to turn him down. :(
Ah Albert...only fake Corian my friend
Your going to have a war with Bobby from doodles hahahaha 😅😂😅
That's ok. If it comes down to fists and boxing he has no chin
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM He'll likely throw girls at you!
@@vudu5vudu😂😂😂😂
Recalcitrant and "loving it"
Liked that explaination
If your heading to where there is ice is ,a super light boat could be an issue maybe Delos is going to go into colder waters in the future .
Maybe a catamaran is not the way to.go for icebreaking
Maybe but they use a aluminium sailboat down in Patagonia to go to the south pole or the Artic as some call it .
That doodles boat is weird... it's got a triangular chair on each bow with maybe a cup holder on a gimbal....and there's silhouettes of two pirates looking at each other thinking "wtf is this????"
great perspective
Boat's going really well Plukky but have you had a chance to do any spearfishing whilst the boat is being built?, is one thing i think many people enjoy from your vlogs in the past.
No. No time
It's hard to get past Barefoot Doctors plumped up lips, for me. Gheez, those things catching the wind and the Portifino's stats are unpredictable. 😂
All jokes aside, I appreciate honest math and facts. Leave the alternative facts for the losing party.
Thanks for sharing.
Heavy is nice each to there own
Crazy person
Allowing for pitting as it gets old thick is good
There you go again Plukky, taking your pin out and popping balloons. You know how uncomfortable that makes people. Well, someone has to do it. 😉
You're welcome.... you're welcome
It’s an educational channel!
No wisdom...some education
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM “By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest."
- Confucius
very informative
Great to watch you my man 🤣🤣
The HH 44 can get close to wind speed. If I remember right they were doing 10 knots in 12 knot winds with no help from current. That is with a 125% front sale. I bet if tweaked (wind angle and sail angle) it could have got 11 knots. So for a non dagger board cat its pretty good. IT is also geared more towards comfort and I think it's a good boat. Also they are not speed chasers.
Doodles as they turned off engine yes the engine was pushing them hit 6 knots in 13.8 knots wind. That number was going down also. So yes it is a tank in the water. I do not trust those lithium Ion batteries it has on it. I would not feel safe on that boat. adding 600 lbs. they could have went with LFP batteries and been safe. It is a tank so who cares about 600 lbs.
Portofino is gonna be a cruising cat. Do you see what they will have for a boat? Amazing cat. This should be just as fast if not faster than the HH44 and can be beached, go into places most cats can not. I really love this cat.
Delos they are also coming from a tank of a boat to a mid level performance cat. I say mid level because its not a racer and its not a tank. They will be more than happy with it's performance.
Freedom I think you gonna miss some of the comforts you will be skimping on to save weight. If you load up your cat like the others do you would be slower also.
It’s if you keep repeating a lie often enough people will start believing it ! Yasou Malaka ❤️
I think you may be a few short of a loaf...dont buy a boat please
Delos is copying your boat choices Plukky !!!! You're a legand mate !!!!
lol 😂. As if!
Well probably not...Brian is a smart cookie and doesn't need to follow anyone. Just a coinkidink
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Good on you Plukky.... you don't want to ruffle any Delos feathers !!!! lol
David Devilliers is the architect - it's not his first rodeo!
What about the corrosion between aluminum and salt water ?
What about it? Just don't go grounding your boat to the alloy and park at marinas... simple
nuthin but quality, good on ya mate
Maybe this time you can make it over that pile of rocks in NW Australia... did I get that right....Peter
No one is getting over that pile of rocks with any draft....it is at water level on low tide
Math and physics for the win!
Island Spirit…..2 narrow RV’S joined together with a bridge deck!
Correct
How about the nahoa 55 (or is that just the delos boat but three feet longer?)
Are they building it yet? I didnt bother...I didnt think they sold any/enough to continue. Let me know. Should be better the Delos though just by looking at it
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM It's another _David D._ design, it's on his website.
A light boat is an unstable boat. A tin can, versus a log. It’s not complicated.
Wow, indeee it is true. There are some people out there that cannot be taught
I've been away from this channel for some time now but am now revisiting it. It looks totally different. Mostly boat construction. Does he now work for a boat manufacture and show boat construction rather than the sailing content of years past?
You obviously didn't comprehend that this is his boat under construction.
@@dennispatrick4999 No Dennis I did not comprehend that this is his boat under construction, it wasn't in the title, but thanks for letting me know.
@@TC-hl1ws Did you actually watch the video?
@@dennispatrick4999 I watched the first 5 minutes but didn't see any sailing, checked his last few videos which showed thumbnails of boat construction and then asked my question. Did I do something wrong?
@@TC-hl1wsnope, dennis is just on his period. Very passive aggressive for no reason.
I read that today they start with a king size bed and build a catamaran around it.
I think that is the strategy...very safe
I've been waiting for a comparison between your boat and a Cyber 48.
Almost the same
Fibreglass isn't still decent in terms of impact resistance. Elongation at break is 4%, vs 16% for 6061, and obviously it's 10 times stronger albeit unidirectionally. Additionally that 4% is pure yield whereas 6061 only has ~2% before you're into the plastic region.
I think the issue is builders skimp on the layers these days. Also maybe delamination is the bottleneck here.
Aluminum....boats wanting to go the the poles should be made of it as you are likely to hit something (ice) in the water. Other areas, fiberglass is strong enough. What fiberglass isn't is loud and hot like Aluminum. That is what those who want to sail in the tropics tend to sail fiberglass boats.
You don't measure a boat's sea-worthiness by crashing it into something hard. With that said, I once crashed a fiberglass 30' old C&C head on into a very large, heavy, metal sea buoy going 8 knots (3 knots of current). The only damage was the bow fiberglass was dented in about 2 feet above the water line. I couldn't even see daylight from the inside so not even sure if it would leak. The dent was 1 inch tall and 1.5 inches long and 1/4" deep.
So don't go telling me fiberglass isn't strong.
Cats are almost all cored construction, your boat was likely 30 to 35mm of solid fiberglass with it likely to be about 60mm and sometimes more at the bow. That is strong but cats are not built like that...too heavy. Look at the context
Is it Orca-Proof?
You can kick up rudders and daggerboards, so yeah…orcas won’t have much to attack…except for the prop.
Another lure of the huge floating houses is that they can be tempting to live very unhealthy and sedentary lives, often at an older age when one should be more active. I advise installing a small gym in one area to maintain fitness and live longer. Just my2c. Cheers.
Sportier cats include the gym automatically....you are forced to be fit
What's the KSI for your boat and these other boats? :)
Hold your bloody horses...
Onya maate!
Note to Plukky, if you only say it once it doesn’t count
I know... that's why i suck at youtube...if i lied i would be way more successful
They can't say you didn't warn them.
Indeed
Hey Plukky, in some cultures, to plug something up means fill it with sh1t.
You can do that too
Any 55 are being build ??
A title race🎉. Race for title...m
How could you compare these 3 projects, they are different boats for different purposes. About the only thing you could compare is that the other two appear to have the money to complete their projects while it appears that you don’t?
How could I compare? - I just did. First rule - healthy respect for the sea and the rest follows.....and besides, heaps of people wanted me to compare....how does lack of money factor into a comparison of boats...You ought to be the president of the UN with that logic....well done!
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOMyes you did compare and the Doodles boat was a “heap of shit”. Great way to compare a completely different boat to yours
@@peterhancox5268 Hi Peter, Plukky has been sharing his experience and thought process over many years, so his analysis has been accumulative and incremental. If you had been following this channel, and many others with all their collective knowledge, you'd come to the same conclusion, although probably without the colourful language. His "direct" observation is not a surprise to the many regular viewers. And these many regular viewers no doubt, if they had a choice, would prefer to be on the Doodles boat, if the context was in a safe harbour or coastal bay, as it is far more comfortable, but would elect one of aluminium boats for a blue ocean crossing. :o)
@@brentpenfold1795 exactly. Different boats for different purposes and NONE of them are “a heap of shit”
As long as they don’t think that they’re buying a performance cat, who cares if they buy a floating house.
I read too you what it said about the island spirit... some people will believe it
Delos 2.0 looks like it is made way better craftsmanship
Shinier maybe...see my earlier episodes where the precision is shown. My boat was plasma cut so it has the surface tarnished by the water bath. But the surface all needs to be ground back in any case so makes no difference
The gaps they are welding are wide, There not that wide on Delos, Should have built your boat in Australia like Delos!!
No more than 3 mm on 5mm plate...if i built in Australia i would have had just a keel
Ha you are just so reserved and PC, I really think you ought to say what you think instead of saving peoples feelings 🙂. Just kidding we wouldn't have you any other way 🙂. You see now I am going to have to watch the start of this video again to get a grip of what those formula's are really telling me. Hell with it, drop in the 2000HP and be done with it 🙂 OK, OK I'll look at the math. Another thought don't sink it, we will never let you live it down and quote this video endlessly....
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I've been subscribed to Doodles for yrs, but I hardly seen any of his videos, maybe just to check up on his latest t..tie conquest (the vids were fun when Meghan and Taylor were around). However, I was looking forward to his newest (and final?) boat, that cat made especially for him in Asia. But when he showed it a couple of weeks ago I was shocked to the extent my mouth dropped and I wanted to cry (for him). What a disaster of a boat. A Spirito sin Santos? It may be comfortable and spacious at anchor in some secluded bay or at a fancy marina, but how will the boat get there, and who will pay for the fees? The boat can certainly not sail there on its own.
Nope, that channel is (and have always been) just bikinis/t..ties/iced beer/martinis and NOT anything about true sailing/underwater exploration/building and maintaining a boat/developing any sort of maritime skills, etc.
Maybe I should charge Bobby for ME to watch his videos.
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Well here is the difference between plastics and metal. Steel Aluminum flex differently to plastic The paints protect steel from weather and water but rust or corrosion still happens plastic no worries but the sun and cold affects all types of Plastics plastics get Brittle and degrade cracking but underneath it flexes badly. Carbon fiber is known for having issues if water gets inside before it is set also if parts crack and water gets in that is a huge issue a like de laminating. Another problem with Carbon fiber is how many times it is flexed weakens the inside out so in a mast you will not notice until it snaps. With steel or aluminum you can notice it and do something about it. Also plastics Fiberglass Carbon fiber poly-carbon they can not be reused recycled the only way to get rid of them in burn them or land fill as they do not dissolve. I wonder if can talk with Captain Rick Moore about electronics on boats things like that to what you may have as that would be interesting as he is into that sort of thing more than others are such a nice man may give you pointers.
Captain Rik is not what he seems. He ripped off my buddy to the tune of $5000 on Battleborne batteries that he knowingly destroyed and was warned by Battleborne not to sell but he did anyway to my friend (who was actually his friend at the time)...he also got warranty on it so made $5000 from his own mistake and ripped off a friend of his... If I had the time I would do an episode on it...tell him the episode is coming...I may just find the time