Wow , been watching your YT journey from the start ,, this is an amazing story of tenacity ,, good on you Peter ,, so happy for you ,, can’t wait to see your dream come true to fruition
While your narrow beam/low volume stern shapes do give low drag, there is a problem that should be considered and addressed. There is an old warning that goes way back: "Beware long narrow double enders". Wide beam/high volume sterns make for nice aft cabins, but there is another reason to have them. The problem is the pitching of the boat matching the wave action or "rate of encounter". Consider the pitching of the boat as similar to a pendulum. If the boat is encountering waves at a rate that is the same as the pitching time a resonance can occur that results in extreme pitching or "hobby horsing". This will more likely occur going up wind as the as the wave frequency or "rate of encounter" is more likely to match the pitching "moment" of the boat. If the shape of the "immersion curve" of the bow and stern is the same, or symmetrical, then the boat can act as a pendulum and pitch can increase to extreme amounts, or "resonate". The effect of having different volumes of bow and stern is to make the resonant frequency of the bow different than the stern. This asymmetry means that one wave "rate of encounter" will excite the bow pitching resonance and a different rate will excite the stern. Since only half the boat is trying to "hobby horse" at a given wave rate, this results in a reduction, or "damping" of the pitching motion. The asymmetry is mostly influenced by the stern's above water shape. You can still have a nicely tapered hull shape below the water line, but having the above water flare of the stern too similar to the bow can invite this problem. At the other extreme, having the sterns too fat can result in excessive lifting of the stern when surfing down a wave and burying the bows and "stuffing" or even "pitch poling'. Like so many things in life this requires careful compromise. More is not better. It's good to have the sterns sink into the wave some when pushed from behind. Having the sails up can provide some pitch damping. More when trimmed for reaching than close hauled. I have watched several early design catamarans exhibit severe pitching resonance when motoring out of the harbor breakwater and encountering ocean swells with their sails down. They had very similar bow and stern shapes. Another way to achieve pitch damping is a horizontal T foil on the rudder. As used on Rapido and others. Loads from this can make kick up rudder design more challenging. T foil also works at anchor and can improve comfort. I wish you success with this project.
I had a Heavenly Twins Mk 3 with this problem. Great sea boat, great at surfing downwind, but did Hobbie Horse. The designer (Pat Patterson) solved this on the later Ocean Winds and other designs with broader sterns. Maybe canoe stern below the waterline for efficiency, flaring significantly above ?
Yes t-foils would be a big plus with this hull form in reducing pitching underway at sea and also at anchor. However, to-date I am unaware of a good t-foil design working with a kick-up rubber system. There is a challenge!!!! In saying this, having a hydraulic kick-up rubber system, it should be very design/buildable with t-foils, as the t-foils do not load up quickly underway.
The new boat looks amazing but most importantly as safe as it's possible for a vessel, cant wait to see it and you using it. Looks good news for the boat builders also as I'm sure a lot of people are going to be interested in purchasing such a boat. Well done the whole team.👌
Congratulations on an awesome design - most all of the issues I have found with existing performance cats have been addressed including 1) no sail drives 2) kick up rudders 3) positive flotation (almost unsinkable) 4) solid stem to handle logs, etc. 5) open air ventilation and 6) low accessible boom.. The one thing I do have on Blue Bamboo is 360 visibility (especially for docking) and great weather protection with the steering station at the center of the boat. Great team work between designer and experienced owner. I am so happy for you Plucky - your dream cat is becoming reality.
I'm watching this interview like the 5th time already. When I'm watching other channels splashing out their life savings, plus money they don't yet have on fantasy plastic tubs like HH, Outremer, Balance, Seawind, Lagoon, FP, Leopard etc, I have to say in comparison to those, this Odisea 48 is the most sensible new boat to come to market.
I have a Schionning Waterline with kickup rudders, the rudder and cassette is the one piece and the sacrificial strap is at the back and can be pulled back into position once released. So far great except if you are using more than about 12° of rudder the trailing edge of the rudder is beyond the limit of the cassette and will catch on the supporting side supports of the transom.
True, kickup rudders that will not kickup if the ruder is turned - are a problem. If you see something, turn hard to avoid it, but hit it, the way this is designed as a kickup will not work. So it seems.
Peter, how will you survive such a nice boat?? You won't be able to be your normal self, everything will work, the lighting will be efficient, the wiring won't have been fried by lightning, there will be an operational refrigerator, surely there's lots of pineapple storage space... What will you do??? Seriously, it looks like a gorgeous design and you deserve to be the captain of such a fine craft. Looking forward to the launch. I hope Lisa is watching.
This is so exciting. I can NOT WAIT to see your first sail on this amazing new boat! Kick-up rudder feature and the dagger boards is great! Wonderful design considerations all-around.
Brilliant Peter. These vids are important. It’s giving everyone a look into the amount of work time and dedication going into this project and also a sense of inclusion right up until she kisses the salt for the first time. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👌👌
Love that they copied the Balance 526 helm, after 7000 ocean miles this year at the upper and lower helm stations, I can say you've made a great choice & you are going to love it! Definetly a boat the blends to best features of a lot of different cats.
@@rumbepackactually there were monohulls for decades with canting wheels, Alibi did it first on a catamaran but they didn’t have an actual helm position like the 526 does with a chart plotter, engine controls and an ergonomic seating position where you can truly helm and control the boat. Alibi has none of those features (neither does Outremer), the Odisea is the first cat to get it right like Balance did & trust me it makes a huge difference.
I'm so happy that you're getting a new catamaran. I know you love cats' and I hated seeing you lose your first cat'. but at least you still have the memories of it and memories of some of the first crew like the Italian, Fedra. 😛
The length of those rudder posts in the original breakaway design and the load put on that block and plug look like a failure waiting to happen. This looks like a great design with low drag. I am very interested to see what you do for propulsion (besides the wind). So happy it's happening finally. Thanks for this Peter.
A note on the hatches that Marco mentioned. My experience is that even after more than 20 years the hatches screwed to a flat aluminum frame, which is welded in, do not leak. The leakage problem concerns the windows that open to the front. One step forward is to divide the curved windows into flat segments. This makes reworking easier.
Interesting to see how they execute the modem design. Screwed into a ridged aluminum frame with a dynamic gasket. Replacement rework issues and increased weight usually seems the result. Balanced with ease of replacement. To the balance.
Well done ole mate After 40+ years of sailing, racing, cruising and delivering cats This is one of the best new design cat I've seen Designed to go out and even better .... come home safely Again I say Well Done Peter and the whole team Q. Is there a dollar mark and timeline yet available? If so, include any hint or info in your next clip Till later
Previous video has projected cost, obviously need to get all materials sourced to get closer to reality. If you are not at 'take estimate and double it, then double it again ' your a really efficient builder.
I'm sure it is not the same at all. Yet, the mere mention of "water tight compartments" along with "unsinkable" in the video conjures up visions of the Titanic's grand blunder.
Ive watched it twice and i cant fault it. I particularly like the low boom not only for its asthetic value but because it has a huge bearing on both stability and drive. I know this from windsurfing. An inch up or down in boom height on a windsurfer utterly changes the boards behavour in whatever conditions. Daggerboards that sheer....bloody marvellous. The rudders are sprung or counterweighted down so in the event of a collision will ride up but go back down into position on their own after the impediment is astern. Well thats my guess anyway so looking forward to the next instalment when all will be revealed hopefully. Wondering if the boards are interchangeable? In any case i think ye have hit the bullseye with this design. Its strong, safe, efficient and easy to maintain. Im so pleased for you.
Good stuff mate, gonna be a beauty. Not sure Marco is cut out to be a super entertaining YT star like yourself, but he seems like exactly the bloke you want designing your boat. Serious guy but he did manage to smile a couple of times...😊
Always knew you would land on your feet even when watching you struggle during covid . There is an energy , a do what is needed drive that separates those that do and those that don't . I don't think it can be taught
This is going to be a fantastic build, your video production skills are bonsa .... I can't imagine this channel not becoming the most watched on YT.....
10:04 Kick up rudder - very interesting. It looks quite easy when the rudder is midships. What about the kick up function when the rudder is pointing to one side?
To make use of your dagger boards useful they must be easy to adjust when loaded. It's easy to make them run smooth at the dock. Dynamically they bind when loaded and rattle when under changing loads. Produce the cassettes with enough clearance to fit some form of glide material with minimal clearance.... Even rollers. Mine bind when loaded, they get pushed into the wedge of the foil shape (a bit like a Morse tapper), make sure the trailing and leading edges contact before the side faces.
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM hey, Plukky, can you tell me what sort of hourly rate the company you are using to make your boat charge. If you get a special rate, don't give me that rate, just the rate they would charge me to build a power cat. Your doing a good job of showing how good they are, they are doing a nice job on your boat and it's showing up on your videos.
Awesome presentation Peter of your new up coming vessel ..very sleek profile...hopefully we'll hear more about power, generator, battery and electronic systems that will be utilized for this boat soon. Cheers 🍻
Dan, if I had been a few semesters younger I would have opted for this convincing concept instead of building a Reinke. I'm curious to see if the design is elaborated enough to cut the parts automatically and if the technology for this is available in Vietnam.
@albertfunk1176 Hi Albert, I had the same thoughts about being able to mass cut everything. I believe there are plenty or welders in Vietnam and aluminum shouldn't be a problem. Haha, what could go wrong?
Well engineered design, sleek, safe, & efficient. It looks like there's no jib, and if the main sail is motorized to raise & lower is this possibly a one man vessel? Any additional crew can just cook & make pineapple beer! Glad for you Pluky.
I like most of design changes. I would extend the length of the roof completely till end of the sugar scoops. Gives you more space for solar and protects the outside cockpit even more plus the dingy from rain. Then erase the davits and put a simple lifting mechanism to the roof, a block and a offroad windlass will do. On the stern goes 2 L profiles that can folded flat to stern to lift or deploy the dingy, to store you simply lift it up unfold the 2 L and store it on top of the L. Simple, sturdy,lightweight and protected. What you save on davits you can add to make roof longer. Eg at the end of each sugar scoop a pole that hold/support the roof so roof can be very lightly build. That pole is also very handy, eg to grab when approaching with dingy and also good to mount an outboard crane, mounting nav lights or antennas like iridium go. The end of the extended roof is also the best place for a starlink antenna or similar. Engine more in the middle of the boot with shaft, simple beta non turbo diesels and with a simple shaft generator (so free spinning shaft with basically a pulley on it and gen/motor from a windgen), if its as fast as you say that's easy 40-60A charge per shaft...I even made 30A this way with my old slow 40ft 12t ketch... Forget electric drive, still too expensive especially the battery pack's but you could design for the beta hybrids or E-engines additionally, I wouldn't take already because of complexity and also money but for other that have the money will maybe do. well regarding the design goal no fossil fuel and the targeted sails price together with fast „all around the world cat“ are contradictory. All around the world I already do ( in a heavily modded FP Lavezzi as more budget not available but better go now with small budget, learn what really needed for me and then looking to upgrade in about 3 years when I get the 1 mio funds to get a fast around the world cat) and learned the hard way „use simply and proven solutions wherever possible and avoid experimental totally, you have enough challenges to tackle and every single less is a saint“. 2nd no fossile on this light cat gives you the major disadvantage that the huge lifepo4 bank you need weights a lot and cost a liver and a kidney plus is a complex bus driven system and still have major limitations, ion batteries would be much better regarding weight and power available but they are too dangerous. So you have to break with no fossil already and have at least a big generator that can power the e-engines. That’s the same bs then in cars, EV work well in cities with ranges of below 100km as battery is small compared weight and the car itself is small and lightweight (take light costal cat and put 2x5kn and a small bank, that works) taking a Tesla model s its 1,4t battery of 2,2t total weight and dangerous LIon chemistry…environmental balance a desaster. Jimmy Cornell and others already proof total Electric not safe and manageable with acceptable risk of a professional seaman and captain in leisure boats. So it will be wise and every businessman running a manufacturer or boatyard with economical sense will design that cat for fossil fuel as it’s light it will use much less diesel then the typical condos and environmental footprint is smaller in total then with huge, heavy, very expensive electric version. Then see which electrical drive system can be offered instead for the wealthy and experimental sailor (and TH-camr who needs content to publish, no offense Flecki:-) that wanna be environmentally friendly and just count what comes out of the exhaust to justify that. There are many with much more budgets (cats above 2 mio.) that failed like Antares, Alibi… and all went back to at least hybrid or fossil diesels. Same by the way with the kickup rudders, first sounds simple but devil is in detail and what brings the best theoretical safe rudder if you have constant trouble with it as too complex in the end. Then better use a proven skeg rudder, yes more wetted surface but here safety first before speed. A friend bought a used alibi 54 for around the world, guess what happened…yes all that fancy stuff was disabled already by former owner Kickup rudders, retractable prop shaft, special dingy place, e-drive replaced with diesels (still have a huge 28kw battery) because he had constant trouble with it. And that’s a 2mio cat, not 800k….the alibi 54 is superfast, actually too fast for cruising relaxed so depower is good=> fixed prop with shaft gen instead retractable with folding props, hydranet sail and no laminate, big diesel tanks near center of cat, selftacking jib…. So long story short: design cat in general with economic methods to be fast but safe as possible and then depower it a by using proven and simple safe solutions like skeg rudder that already hides part of the fixed prop for shaftgen, as simple as possible non turbo diesel, hydrant sails, self tacking jib…..also to keep costs and maintenance down but reliability and safety up. Then you manage the 800k, otherwise we have another overpriced HH44 with 1.2Mio+ and nothing new other then Alu instead carbon fiber…. To question Shaft regen: yes it was fixed 4 blade original prop on a Volvo MD40 engine and prop was already free spinning, to my luck there was quite a lot of space to get a big pulley on the shaft, so the gen was spinning with 1:6 ratio. The heavy longkeeler ketch need lot of canvas to sail but if did the momentum is so huge that this bit of resistance due to shaft gen was maybe 0.2-0.4kn max. And that was around 5-6kn…now take a odessey doing 12-15kn, easily 50-70A per shaft and if you account for that in the construction you can fit a huge pulley that cost you 1-2kn when running, disable it and you only have the prop which is 1kn less for no maintenance incl. skeg rudder penalties to…so with that speed no issue going 10-13kn, all above constant 220nm etamal is superfast. Antworten
just awesome. Thank you for giving me very high motivation to be happy working every day towards one day to buy ODC48! My ideas. All looks just awesome and very very good. A few very very minor ideas - maybe U-shaped galley, a bit more relax / comfy cushioned places in outside the cockpit if possible. Engines will be Yanmar? or will you go for electrical engines and disel free boat? and propane free? and electronics B&G? I would prefer if liferaft would be very easily deployable although for ODS48 it will never be needed :) Lifting rudders, very good also for the growing orca situation a guess also. Rain water collection? Just so thankful, exited and happy for Plukky!
Great video. Extremely well presented and explained. Anxious to see it being built and come together. Love all the safety thought out and applied. We all shall love it and travel with you. Please get proper refrigeration and A/C. While you are at it, have them make "the claw "and patend it, then add it to your website store! Try and put-in a cleaning station.
My new pet hates at the moment is being exposed to the element in bad weather and night watching 👀. The cockpit should be built in kind of U shape protecting the helm from the element and i mean fixed one with proper windows not a tent style which becomes hazardous during strong winds and storms ... Love the safety aspects of this cat so far but not sure about double ending like canoe. Lovely to see you again and congratulations
I find it interesting that the SS United States Steam powered ocean liner had the fastest transatlantic time for decades as average speed of 34.51 knots but still is record for ocean linen. Its hull was made of Aluminum.
Peter it looks good ...i would have one raised mushroom or bubble hatch on the coach roof as high as possible .. these allow you to vent the interior even in heavy rain or spray Conditions. They are common on coaches and RVs you can raise them so they vent all round but the inner raised collar keeps water sloshing around or being driven by wind from entering the boat.. even on the hard . You can also tilt them to block wind or spray and still vent on the downwind side or fore and aft . If you fit a no seeum mesh over the opening you keep little blighters out at anchor. Important given the spread of tropical Mosquito born diseases. Even now in Europe and S.USA. If its about about a 150mm deep the collar you can also mount a removable slower quiet, big bladed solar/battery powered fan in the same roof recess to force or draw fresh air through the whole boat but away from the accomodation areas. When at anchor it doesnt have to be transparent so could be the same as the roof and act as a step up for shorter crew reaching for sail management at the boom neck etc. directly under that area is the most common shadow area for solar anyway. Even more fire and heat preventing than Al is basalt fiber screening. Al coated basalt fabrics .. for fire risk areas its also when not coated an excellent electrical insulation. So wont react with the Al anywhere.. its also lighter how about the bridge coach roof. With Al decks and with a priority on lightness -for sustainability comfort and heat insulation think about cork seadeck and flooring . Its mould bacteria UV and fire resistant. Kind on you tootsies as well 😂. 🧙♂️🇬🇧 Theres a possible change coming in materials...
Great explanatory video. It is hard to beat having a naval architect to answer queries. The kick up rudder and standard shaft drive are excellent too. My question is on the skeg that the shaft comes out of. Could it have a small support that you attach when beaching to protect the prop and shaft ? I'm thinking a base plate and from each plate end some more plate that quickly bolts onto the skeg to give the base plate forward and lateral support. I had a 48ft aluminum center boarder that I beached a couple of times and when the tide and waves pick up the boat can rock fore and aft. My centerboard was aluminum with sand inside and had a draft of 10 feet when down and about 4 ft. when up. It did fatigue and broke off after 10 years of use. On our Catana 472 we broke two dagger boards and I had 2 made that were supposedly 3X stronger laterally but the same original strength for and aft so as not to cut the boat in two from hitting something. We broke one hitting a big partially submerged log between Halifax and Bermuda. That is why we went with 2.5 ft keels on our Grainger 47 ft cat. But they certainly slow the boat down and the forces really build up sooner than on the Catana because the Catana just sped up. We have had the Grainger up to 16 kts a few times but it seems like she is about to explode.
...and another watch through .... never gets boring or old hearing about Odisea's unique features. Call me naïve however I can't see how the Odisea won't make a big splash in the catamaran market! :o))
Hey Plucky you failed to mention one of the beat safety features of your boat- the shaft drive and mid engine layout. So much safer than sail-drives! There are lot of design features that look very similar to the Mumby - except your windage.
Peter I think I may speak for all of us, we're so EXCITED to see this boat come to life!!
Yep
Absolutely....I too am so pumped to see this boat come together!
Yeah! :¬) Webhead USA
AMEN!!❤
Living vicariously and looking forward to future sailing adventures!
First thing noticed
WHAT GORGEOUS LINES!
Brilliant. Good to hear a marine architect talk only about safety and Hull characteristics rather than interior design, 5 layout options & finishings
Wow , been watching your YT journey from the start ,, this is an amazing story of tenacity ,, good on you Peter ,, so happy for you ,, can’t wait to see your dream come true to fruition
Looking good, Peter. You deserve a good vessel. You are such a fun guy.
Absolutely amazing presentation, and design. Top stuff Peter and Marco!
While your narrow beam/low volume stern shapes do give low drag, there is a problem that should be considered and addressed. There is an old warning that goes way back: "Beware long narrow double enders". Wide beam/high volume sterns make for nice aft cabins, but there is another reason to have them. The problem is the pitching of the boat matching the wave action or "rate of encounter". Consider the pitching of the boat as similar to a pendulum. If the boat is encountering waves at a rate that is the same as the pitching time a resonance can occur that results in extreme pitching or "hobby horsing". This will more likely occur going up wind as the as the wave frequency or "rate of encounter" is more likely to match the pitching "moment" of the boat. If the shape of the "immersion curve" of the bow and stern is the same, or symmetrical, then the boat can act as a pendulum and pitch can increase to extreme amounts, or "resonate". The effect of having different volumes of bow and stern is to make the resonant frequency of the bow different than the stern. This asymmetry means that one wave "rate of encounter" will excite the bow pitching resonance and a different rate will excite the stern. Since only half the boat is trying to "hobby horse" at a given wave rate, this results in a reduction, or "damping" of the pitching motion. The asymmetry is mostly influenced by the stern's above water shape. You can still have a nicely tapered hull shape below the water line, but having the above water flare of the stern too similar to the bow can invite this problem. At the other extreme, having the sterns too fat can result in excessive lifting of the stern when surfing down a wave and burying the bows and "stuffing" or even "pitch poling'. Like so many things in life this requires careful compromise. More is not better. It's good to have the sterns sink into the wave some when pushed from behind. Having the sails up can provide some pitch damping. More when trimmed for reaching than close hauled. I have watched several early design catamarans exhibit severe pitching resonance when motoring out of the harbor breakwater and encountering ocean swells with their sails down. They had very similar bow and stern shapes. Another way to achieve pitch damping is a horizontal T foil on the rudder. As used on Rapido and others. Loads from this can make kick up rudder design more challenging. T foil also works at anchor and can improve comfort. I wish you success with this project.
I had a Heavenly Twins Mk 3 with this problem. Great sea boat, great at surfing downwind, but did Hobbie Horse. The designer (Pat Patterson) solved this on the later Ocean Winds and other designs with broader sterns. Maybe canoe stern below the waterline for efficiency, flaring significantly above ?
bingo- horizontal t-foil rudders is a must..
Thanks for your reply. Please send me an email. I would like to chat.
Yes t-foils would be a big plus with this hull form in reducing pitching underway at sea and also at anchor. However, to-date I am unaware of a good t-foil design working with a kick-up rubber system. There is a challenge!!!! In saying this, having a hydraulic kick-up rubber system, it should be very design/buildable with t-foils, as the t-foils do not load up quickly underway.
It looked like there was a fin/foil outline on the rudders in the last rendering. Love your technical feedback👍🏼
Proof it were needed that 'Good things come to those who wait !'
The new boat looks amazing but most importantly as safe as it's possible for a vessel, cant wait to see it and you using it. Looks good news for the boat builders also as I'm sure a lot of people are going to be interested in purchasing such a boat. Well done the whole team.👌
Top work Pluckster ! How life changes.
Congratulations on an awesome design - most all of the issues I have found with existing performance cats have been addressed including 1) no sail drives 2) kick up rudders 3) positive flotation (almost unsinkable) 4) solid stem to handle logs, etc. 5) open air ventilation and 6) low accessible boom.. The one thing I do have on Blue Bamboo is 360 visibility (especially for docking) and great weather protection with the steering station at the center of the boat. Great team work between designer and experienced owner. I am so happy for you Plucky - your dream cat is becoming reality.
This is the content we've been waiting for.
It's awesome to get this design walk thru to better understand the end goal, thank you for doing this!
Hmm, the boat has everything I want in a Catamaran. Way to go Gent's. Very Happy for you Peter and ODC is top notch.
Very nice , can hardly wait to see the completed ship
Marco did a great job to explain the deign philosophy, safety features and innovations. Beautiful- I want one!
06/10/2024 and the project is flying along! Congratulations Peter
I'm even watching all of the adverts for you buddy, so stoked for you!
OMFNG! This is an amazing project and an amazing structure.
Congratulations plukky she is definitely a beautiful catamaran 🐬🌊 I hope it comes with gorgeous crew for you. 🐬👍🍕🏆🏖
Build it, they will come.
Good on you, Peter. Marco provided sense and substance.
I’m impressed Pluky, I’ll take one😅 lots of thought have gone into this and I can’t wait to see it come to life.
Amazing design, looks like a Top Dog. Can hardly wait too see it come too life. CHEERS TEAM SAFE TRAVELS Steve h.
I'm watching this interview like the 5th time already. When I'm watching other channels splashing out their life savings, plus money they don't yet have on fantasy plastic tubs like HH, Outremer, Balance, Seawind, Lagoon, FP, Leopard etc, I have to say in comparison to those, this Odisea 48 is the most sensible new boat to come to market.
I have a Schionning Waterline with kickup rudders, the rudder and cassette is the one piece and the sacrificial strap is at the back and can be pulled back into position once released. So far great except if you are using more than about 12° of rudder the trailing edge of the rudder is beyond the limit of the cassette and will catch on the supporting side supports of the transom.
True, kickup rudders that will not kickup if the ruder is turned - are a problem. If you see something, turn hard to avoid it, but hit it, the way this is designed as a kickup will not work. So it seems.
Peter, how will you survive such a nice boat?? You won't be able to be your normal self, everything will work, the lighting will be efficient, the wiring won't have been fried by lightning, there will be an operational refrigerator, surely there's lots of pineapple storage space... What will you do??? Seriously, it looks like a gorgeous design and you deserve to be the captain of such a fine craft. Looking forward to the launch. I hope Lisa is watching.
Sometimes i don't know what i will do.... maybe start breaking things to feel at home
I am so happy for you. And I am so looking forward to new adventures and a hot crew.
Competiton is always good, competing for the best design. No doubt this will be exciting for all to watch. Good luck Plukky !!
She looks like a beauty, whats even more beautiful is great minds from around the world contributing ideas and experience.
Cant wait to see it!
This is so exciting. I can NOT WAIT to see your first sail on this amazing new boat! Kick-up rudder feature and the dagger boards is great! Wonderful design considerations all-around.
WOW what a boat and great idea's. Should last a lifetime
Brilliant Peter. These vids are important. It’s giving everyone a look into the amount of work time and dedication going into this project and also a sense of inclusion right up until she kisses the salt for the first time.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👌👌👌👌👌
Love that they copied the Balance 526 helm, after 7000 ocean miles this year at the upper and lower helm stations, I can say you've made a great choice & you are going to love it! Definetly a boat the blends to best features of a lot of different cats.
Indeed
The alibi 54 did it first.
@@rumbepackactually there were monohulls for decades with canting wheels, Alibi did it first on a catamaran but they didn’t have an actual helm position like the 526 does with a chart plotter, engine controls and an ergonomic seating position where you can truly helm and control the boat. Alibi has none of those features (neither does Outremer), the Odisea is the first cat to get it right like Balance did & trust me it makes a huge difference.
I'm so happy that you're getting a new catamaran. I know you love cats' and I hated seeing you lose your first cat'. but at least you still have the memories of it and memories of some of the first crew like the Italian, Fedra. 😛
Wow so many aspects of this design are just what’s needed in an Ocean Going Cat fantastic!!❤
Wow! Lots of exciting new features on this build. Can't wait to see one in person!
Top stuff Pete. Very excited
The length of those rudder posts in the original breakaway design and the load put on that block and plug look like a failure waiting to happen.
This looks like a great design with low drag. I am very interested to see what you do for propulsion (besides the wind).
So happy it's happening finally. Thanks for this Peter.
Yes keep up the pictures & discussion of this build !
👍👍
I can't wait to watch this project start to take shape Plukky. Long time coming.
A note on the hatches that Marco mentioned. My experience is that even after more than 20 years the hatches screwed to a flat aluminum frame, which is welded in, do not leak.
The leakage problem concerns the windows that open to the front. One step forward is to divide the curved windows into flat segments.
This makes reworking easier.
Good on you Albert...the windows are in flat segments....they were curved
Interesting to see how they execute the modem design. Screwed into a ridged aluminum frame with a dynamic gasket. Replacement rework issues and increased weight usually seems the result. Balanced with ease of replacement. To the balance.
Looking forward to seeing the build progress!
Well done ole mate
After 40+ years of sailing, racing, cruising and delivering cats
This is one of the best new design cat I've seen
Designed to go out and even better .... come home safely
Again I say
Well Done Peter and the whole team
Q. Is there a dollar mark and timeline yet available?
If so, include any hint or info in your next clip
Till later
Previous video has projected cost, obviously need to get all materials sourced to get closer to reality. If you are not at 'take estimate and double it, then double it again ' your a really efficient builder.
Cannot wait to hear more updates. Good luck on the build.
Gotta love those watertight compartments - especially for the engines and steering gear!
I'm sure it is not the same at all. Yet, the mere mention of "water tight compartments" along with "unsinkable" in the video conjures up visions of the Titanic's grand blunder.
Love it, Love it, Love it!!!
Ive watched it twice and i cant fault it. I particularly like the low boom not only for its asthetic value but because it has a huge bearing on both stability and drive. I know this from windsurfing. An inch up or down in boom height on a windsurfer utterly changes the boards behavour in whatever conditions. Daggerboards that sheer....bloody marvellous. The rudders are sprung or counterweighted down so in the event of a collision will ride up but go back down into position on their own after the impediment is astern. Well thats my guess anyway so looking forward to the next instalment when all will be revealed hopefully. Wondering if the boards are interchangeable? In any case i think ye have hit the bullseye with this design. Its strong, safe, efficient and easy to maintain. Im so pleased for you.
The rudders won't kick up because the slot is oriented fore and aft. If the rudder isn't aligned with it, it will just hit the hull, not kick up.
Really good points about the design, construction and materials. Thanks guys!
Really like your practical approach. Tim Mumby's too.
Congratulations to infinity, Plukky and Odisea crew. Well done. It's getting real now. :o))
Thanks Brent
If history is any indication those watertight compartments are gonna be key
Pffff
Excellent presentation. Excitedly waiting for the build…good stuff
Hooley Dooley, hey Plukky . . I do believe that your mob are on a winner.
Good stuff mate, gonna be a beauty. Not sure Marco is cut out to be a super entertaining YT star like yourself, but he seems like exactly the bloke you want designing your boat. Serious guy but he did manage to smile a couple of times...😊
Looking forward to it Plukky!
Awesome, you are going to be flying over the water!
Totally can't wait to see the build!
Great update! Thank you!
Always knew you would land on your feet even when watching you struggle during covid . There is an energy , a do what is needed drive that separates those that do and those that don't . I don't think it can be taught
Awww schucks
Excellent video i really can't wait for the build start
This is going to be a fantastic build, your video production skills are bonsa .... I can't imagine this channel not becoming the most watched on YT.....
That yacht looks beautiful 😍
Looks awesome- good luck Peter
10:04 Kick up rudder - very interesting. It looks quite easy when the rudder is midships. What about the kick up function when the rudder is pointing to one side?
Thanks
Whooooaaaah baby. That's more like it. Thanks 😊
Thanks, Peter, looking forward to more of this.
To make use of your dagger boards useful they must be easy to adjust when loaded. It's easy to make them run smooth at the dock. Dynamically they bind when loaded and rattle when under changing loads. Produce the cassettes with enough clearance to fit some form of glide material with minimal clearance.... Even rollers. Mine bind when loaded, they get pushed into the wedge of the foil shape (a bit like a Morse tapper), make sure the trailing and leading edges contact before the side faces.
Good points...teflon sliders
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM hey, Plukky, can you tell me what sort of hourly rate the company you are using to make your boat charge. If you get a special rate, don't give me that rate, just the rate they would charge me to build a power cat. Your doing a good job of showing how good they are, they are doing a nice job on your boat and it's showing up on your videos.
Awesome presentation Peter of your new up coming vessel ..very sleek profile...hopefully we'll hear more about power, generator, battery and electronic systems that will be utilized for this boat soon. Cheers 🍻
Very well planned and designed, our boat is gonna be a ripper Plukky!!!
Looks bulletproof, an absolute jewel in the cat industry. And the lounge windows all flat glass or acrylic🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🇦🇺
Amazing can't wait to see this thing.
The new boat looks amazing can't wait to see you using it. Looking for your future videos focusing of building the boat!
This is going to be awesome boat for you plucky , can't wait to see it...
A beautiful design!
Excellent discussion, excellent boat.
Good stuff Plukky. Was so looking forward to the engineering talks!
Im luvin that design Peter, start cutting and welding... That boat will surely haul ass!!
Dan, if I had been a few semesters younger I would have opted for this convincing concept instead of building a Reinke.
I'm curious to see if the design is elaborated enough to cut the parts automatically and if the technology for this is available in Vietnam.
@albertfunk1176 Hi Albert, I had the same thoughts about being able to mass cut everything. I believe there are plenty or welders in Vietnam and aluminum shouldn't be a problem. Haha, what could go wrong?
👍🏼Outstanding design!👍🏼
Really like the new modifications, can't wait to see her start to go together!
Take good care!
Wow, haven't heard of this company before but very glad I came across this video!
Well engineered design, sleek, safe, & efficient. It looks like there's no jib, and if the main sail is motorized to raise & lower is this possibly a one man vessel? Any additional crew can just cook & make pineapple beer! Glad for you Pluky.
Going to be awesome Peter! Burlington Bill here.
A new home, how exciting for you.
Air vents above the sun visor , for better air flow over the front windows etc 😎 love the boat
I like most of design changes. I would extend the length of the roof completely till end of the sugar scoops. Gives you more space for solar and protects the outside cockpit even more plus the dingy from rain. Then erase the davits and put a simple lifting mechanism to the roof, a block and a offroad windlass will do. On the stern goes 2 L profiles that can folded flat to stern to lift or deploy the dingy, to store you simply lift it up unfold the 2 L and store it on top of the L. Simple, sturdy,lightweight and protected. What you save on davits you can add to make roof longer. Eg at the end of each sugar scoop a pole that hold/support the roof so roof can be very lightly build. That pole is also very handy, eg to grab when approaching with dingy and also good to mount an outboard crane, mounting nav lights or antennas like iridium go. The end of the extended roof is also the best place for a starlink antenna or similar. Engine more in the middle of the boot with shaft, simple beta non turbo diesels and with a simple shaft generator (so free spinning shaft with basically a pulley on it and gen/motor from a windgen), if its as fast as you say that's easy 40-60A charge per shaft...I even made 30A this way with my old slow 40ft 12t ketch... Forget electric drive, still too expensive especially the battery pack's but you could design for the beta hybrids or E-engines additionally, I wouldn't take already because of complexity and also money but for other that have the money will maybe do.
well regarding the design goal no fossil fuel and the targeted sails price together with fast „all around the world cat“ are contradictory. All around the world I already do ( in a heavily modded FP Lavezzi as more budget not available but better go now with small budget, learn what really needed for me and then looking to upgrade in about 3 years when I get the 1 mio funds to get a fast around the world cat) and learned the hard way „use simply and proven solutions wherever possible and avoid experimental totally, you have enough challenges to tackle and every single less is a saint“. 2nd no fossile on this light cat gives you the major disadvantage that the huge lifepo4 bank you need weights a lot and cost a liver and a kidney plus is a complex bus driven system and still have major limitations, ion batteries would be much better regarding weight and power available but they are too dangerous. So you have to break with no fossil already and have at least a big generator that can power the e-engines. That’s the same bs then in cars, EV work well in cities with ranges of below 100km as battery is small compared weight and the car itself is small and lightweight (take light costal cat and put 2x5kn and a small bank, that works) taking a Tesla model s its 1,4t battery of 2,2t total weight and dangerous LIon chemistry…environmental balance a desaster. Jimmy Cornell and others already proof total Electric not safe and manageable with acceptable risk of a professional seaman and captain in leisure boats. So it will be wise and every businessman running a manufacturer or boatyard with economical sense will design that cat for fossil fuel as it’s light it will use much less diesel then the typical condos and environmental footprint is smaller in total then with huge, heavy, very expensive electric version. Then see which electrical drive system can be offered instead for the wealthy and experimental sailor (and TH-camr who needs content to publish, no offense Flecki:-) that wanna be environmentally friendly and just count what comes out of the exhaust to justify that. There are many with much more budgets (cats above 2 mio.) that failed like Antares, Alibi… and all went back to at least hybrid or fossil diesels. Same by the way with the kickup rudders, first sounds simple but devil is in detail and what brings the best theoretical safe rudder if you have constant trouble with it as too complex in the end. Then better use a proven skeg rudder, yes more wetted surface but here safety first before speed. A friend bought a used alibi 54 for around the world, guess what happened…yes all that fancy stuff was disabled already by former owner Kickup rudders, retractable prop shaft, special dingy place, e-drive replaced with diesels (still have a huge 28kw battery) because he had constant trouble with it. And that’s a 2mio cat, not 800k….the alibi 54 is superfast, actually too fast for cruising relaxed so depower is good=> fixed prop with shaft gen instead retractable with folding props, hydranet sail and no laminate, big diesel tanks near center of cat, selftacking jib….
So long story short: design cat in general with economic methods to be fast but safe as possible and then depower it a by using proven and simple safe solutions like skeg rudder that already hides part of the fixed prop for shaftgen, as simple as possible non turbo diesel, hydrant sails, self tacking jib…..also to keep costs and maintenance down but reliability and safety up.
Then you manage the 800k, otherwise we have another overpriced HH44 with 1.2Mio+ and nothing new other then Alu instead carbon fiber….
To question Shaft regen: yes it was fixed 4 blade original prop on a Volvo MD40 engine and prop was already free spinning, to my luck there was quite a lot of space to get a big pulley on the shaft, so the gen was spinning with 1:6 ratio. The heavy longkeeler ketch need lot of canvas to sail but if did the momentum is so huge that this bit of resistance due to shaft gen was maybe 0.2-0.4kn max. And that was around 5-6kn…now take a odessey doing 12-15kn, easily 50-70A per shaft and if you account for that in the construction you can fit a huge pulley that cost you 1-2kn when running, disable it and you only have the prop which is 1kn less for no maintenance incl. skeg rudder penalties to…so with that speed no issue going 10-13kn, all above constant 220nm etamal is superfast.
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Looking forward to this serious
Yay! Alloy is awesome! So excited for you!! ❤
just awesome. Thank you for giving me very high motivation to be happy working every day towards one day to buy ODC48! My ideas. All looks just awesome and very very good. A few very very minor ideas - maybe U-shaped galley, a bit more relax / comfy cushioned places in outside the cockpit if possible. Engines will be Yanmar? or will you go for electrical engines and disel free boat? and propane free? and electronics B&G? I would prefer if liferaft would be very easily deployable although for ODS48 it will never be needed :) Lifting rudders, very good also for the growing orca situation a guess also. Rain water collection? Just so thankful, exited and happy for Plukky!
Yes to rainwater collection, u shape galley just request it. Yanmar hybrids and any cooking you want
Great video. Extremely well presented and explained. Anxious to see it being built and come together. Love all the safety thought out and applied. We all shall love it and travel with you. Please get proper refrigeration and A/C. While you are at it, have them make "the claw "and patend it, then add it to your website store! Try and put-in a cleaning station.
Shall do
Plukky, well done mate.
Now get this cat together and share more adventures with us.
Well done bru.
The boat looks awesome!
My new pet hates at the moment is being exposed to the element in bad weather and night watching 👀. The cockpit should be built in kind of U shape protecting the helm from the element and i mean fixed one with proper windows not a tent style which becomes hazardous during strong winds and storms ...
Love the safety aspects of this cat so far but not sure about double ending like canoe. Lovely to see you again and congratulations
Freedooommmm!!!! Woo hooo!!! Way to go pluk master plukky!!
Can't wait to see it fly.
This is so exciting! 👍🏻👍🏻
I can only imagine the cost of this beauty. Beauty it is.
I find it interesting that the SS United States Steam powered ocean liner had the fastest transatlantic time for decades as average speed of 34.51 knots but still is record for ocean linen. Its hull was made of Aluminum.
Peter it looks good ...i would have one raised mushroom or bubble hatch on the coach roof as high as possible .. these allow you to vent the interior even in heavy rain or spray
Conditions. They are common on coaches and RVs you can raise them so they vent all round but the inner raised collar keeps water sloshing around or being driven by wind from entering the boat.. even on the hard . You can also tilt them to block wind or spray and still vent on the downwind side or fore and aft . If you fit a no seeum mesh over the opening you keep little blighters out at anchor. Important given the spread of tropical Mosquito born diseases. Even now in Europe and S.USA.
If its about about a 150mm deep the collar you can also mount a removable slower quiet, big bladed solar/battery powered fan in the same roof recess to force or draw fresh air through the whole boat but away from the accomodation areas. When at anchor it doesnt have to be transparent so could be the same as the roof and act as a step up for shorter crew reaching for sail management at the boom neck etc. directly under that area is the most common shadow area for solar anyway.
Even more fire and heat preventing than Al is basalt fiber screening. Al coated basalt fabrics .. for fire risk areas its also when not coated an excellent electrical insulation. So wont react with the Al anywhere.. its also lighter how about the bridge coach roof.
With Al decks and with a priority on lightness -for sustainability comfort and heat insulation think about cork seadeck and flooring .
Its mould bacteria UV and fire resistant. Kind on you tootsies as well 😂.
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Theres a possible change coming in materials...
tHAT IS GOING TO BE SUPER NICE...
Great explanatory video. It is hard to beat having a naval architect to answer queries. The kick up rudder and standard shaft drive are excellent too.
My question is on the skeg that the shaft comes out of. Could it have a small support that you attach when beaching to protect the prop and shaft ? I'm thinking a base plate and from each plate end some more plate that quickly bolts onto the skeg to give the base plate forward and lateral support.
I had a 48ft aluminum center boarder that I beached a couple of times and when the tide and waves pick up the boat can rock fore and aft.
My centerboard was aluminum with sand inside and had a draft of 10 feet when down and about 4 ft. when up. It did fatigue and broke off after 10 years of use.
On our Catana 472 we broke two dagger boards and I had 2 made that were supposedly 3X stronger laterally but the same original strength for and aft so as not to cut the boat in two from hitting something. We broke one hitting a big partially submerged log between Halifax and Bermuda. That is why we went with 2.5 ft keels on our Grainger 47 ft cat. But they certainly slow the boat down and the forces really build up sooner than on the Catana because the Catana just sped up. We have had the Grainger up to 16 kts a few times but it seems like she is about to explode.
...and another watch through .... never gets boring or old hearing about Odisea's unique features. Call me naïve however I can't see how the Odisea won't make a big splash in the catamaran market! :o))
Hey Plucky you failed to mention one of the beat safety features of your boat- the shaft drive and mid engine layout. So much safer than sail-drives! There are lot of design features that look very similar to the Mumby - except your windage.