ไม่สามารถเล่นวิดีโอนี้
ขออภัยในความไม่สะดวก
3800 Supercharged Top 5 Mods | ZZPerformance
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
- Turbo Tim breaks down the first 5 modifications you should do to your Supercharged 3800, stay tuned for a new video outlining the Top 5 for each of our platforms.
0:00 Intro
0:10 Mod #1
1:52 Mod #2
2:07 Mod #3
2:34 Mod #4
3:12 Mod #5
Stage 1 Performance Package: zzperformance....
Stage 2 Performance Package: zzperformance....
Front Power Log: zzperformance....
Rear Power Log: zzperformance....
Headers: zzperformance....
Camshafts: zzperformance....
Rockers: zzperformance....
Intercooler- Short Stack: zzperformance....
Intercooler- Stage 2: zzperformance....
Throttle Body- High Velocity: zzperformance....
Throttle Body- Northstar: zzperformance....
![Exclusive! น้องลิกก้า&น้องโรร่า มาแล้ว!! [cc] แดนแพทตี้ SS2 | EP.48 |](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UmlpJhRekyY/mqdefault.jpg)
UPDATE: We no longer offer the "High Velocity" throttle body for 3800's. We still sell the Northstar as well as stock replacement Throttle Body.
Is there any where else i can get one? Or did they just completely stop production on them?
Can the turbo kits on the website be put on the supercharged 3800?
Anyword on cams for the 9th gen impala 3.6v6 yet? Or supercharger kit?
Can you help me mod my engine for the track
@@johnathanprice5095 why do all you limp diks comment and simp on youtube
My dad Left his Rebuilt 1999 GTP to me along with A trunk full of ZZ perfromance parts. I cant wait to get them all installed. 2.5 downpipe, 1.0 ECM and 3.4 pully.
Blew up 2 L67's doing these exact mods.
@@fire398017 You have no teflon on your rotors. You were superheating the air on the 3.4 without appropriate exhaust mods.
I was a 3.5 Pulley guy for this reason.
I had people put on 3.2" pulley with FULL exhaust, and I stacked some washers under their bypass valve and had them pick UP nearly 30 HP by dropping boost back down....
@@fire398017 with no tune, yeah you probably will. I doubt the intake was the culprit unless you installed it wrong, exhaust I could say cannot be it either. The pulley was prob why along with the cams if you installed them without a tune. So basically you installed all of this stuff and it might have predetonated alot.
I put a freeflow downpipe and catalitic on my 2002 GTP supercharged and NO OTHER MODS. Once the computer adjusted itself to the free flow, performance improved enough that I stopped pinning for a C4 Corvette.
i left my 2001 gtp 4 door a year ago and got a 2018 cruze. my cruze is a nothing special kind of fun, slow car fast kind of thing. i miss my supercharged boat. the thing was a freaking tank and got me through so much. i wish the grand prix wasnt so neglected by second hand owners. most people didnt take care of them well. even though the trans was shit, handling was shit. setting the cruise at 95 mph on the interstate in the midwest and getting like 25 mpg or more and stable as can be is what this car is great for. good times! also hi from 2020.
I smiled this entire video. Amazing knowledge from Tim.
Awesome I owned a grand prix since I was 16 years old and now I’m 31
Awesome video. Do more videos on mods or install video for 3800.
Awesome! I think my next mods on my 3800 supercharged Fiero will be rockers and a larger throttle body. Have headers, 3.4 pulley and a tune right now.
what kind of headers do you have im looking to buy some but I have no idea which ones are good and are not.
@@damiandavila8181 some cheap headers I found used online. I don’t know what are good either. I plan on getting a better set when I build an engine.
My Mom is getting one and I can't wait to build her a sweet little sleeper
That’s one badass Mother’s Day gift.
Skipped the Intercooler altogether on my Monte SS. Snow Performance Water/Methenol injection is the direction I went. Drops those IAT's nice and low and keeps it's internals nice and clean. Definite must for the hot Nevada/Arizona summers my car sees. Don't even have to adjust the tune for it if you're on the stock tune.
I had an 04 ss 10 yrs ago. Did a short throw pulley and cold air intake... im gonna do that again on the one i just bought. I never had an issue.
I love the 3800 I've had many of them cannot stand K&N filters though they get dirty so fucking fast
So... Back in 2000...
I was the ONLY GUY telling people to dump this blower and go turbo... Literally. The only guy.
ONE guy had a TT setup with 1 picture floating around the internet, from another country but that's it.
Needless to say, I got all sorts of stupid comments like "Why go turbo, it's supercharged from the factory."
From some guys that ended up running this stuff "A T62!? THAT'S WAY TOO BIG!" They ended up using a T62 for their kits a year or more later... (Cartuning)...
I've realized it doesn't even matter if you're the first guy or what you do it's what you KEEP doing.
ZZP and Scott Cook are STILL in the game. I'm blown away Turbo Tim back from ClubGP is still OG'ing it with these mods.
I miss these guys and that community. Forums were like a brotherhood back then!
So for the 3800. THE mod to do. Is, manifolds and a proper turbo... Dump that blower.
We'd get knock on 93 octane on STOCK components on the 3800... But when we turbo'ed the car, we ran out of fuel and MAF running on the factory ECU with ZERO tuning, no knock, full timing running much leaner (out of fuel).
These blowers ARE NOT worth anyone's time. A baby chinese turbo will out perform these blowers every day of the week, how much more would a proper Garrett or BorgWarner, Precision be for the car. :)
but then you just sound like a 14 year old at highschool with a BOV that sounds like utter crap.....nothing and i repeated NOTHING beats a supercharger whine
can't wait til i can do all of this to my 2000 GTP i was drooling the whole time...
My son has ALL 5 on his 99 GTP its an awsome car
Interesting these motors are still worth modding. Wish you where close to Atlanta.
Thanks turbo Tim and zzperformance u guys are da bomb 💣 ...please do more videos on the 3800
I just ordered a fender well cai and 2.5 inch down pipe from you guys for my 04 SS Impala,(along with colder plugs and new wires for a tune up) and a few other things. I can't wait to get tuned and pulley down some soon. But, for now I'll just be happy to have it run good again. 3.8 SC are such great engines 👍
If you have a LS6 3.8L 195Kw. (145hp wheel) ALL YOU NEED IS a XU6 Hsv ecu with stock pully box and diff. Good dyno can give you a 390ns up to 225hp on the wheels.
Absolutely love my dads 06 Grand Prix great power body is wearing out and steering rack is whining but love the 3800 NA
Best 3800 mod overall - unplugging the DRL relay on the drivers side compartment.
why is that?
Yeah why
Hey ive been looking for that relay all day 😂
Been meaning to do this. Assuming drl is daytime running lamps. I hate them.
in the engine bay or interior? Shit makes me bonkers.
I just picked up a supercharged 3800 and 4t65hd trans that I’m gonna swap in my 89 Buick Skylark. I wanna build the motor while it’s out of the car, so this video was very helpful!
Build the engine? Not necessary, stock 3.8 will make well over 500 whp with a turbocharger. If it's in good running condition just drop it in.
Stock engine with a cam
Well get a built 4T65-HD transmission because the motors are good, it's the transmission you have to worry about.
Interested in this for a Park Avenue ultra
Heck of a sleeper along with the “WTFs” ppl faces next to ya haha
I own an 01' Pontiac Bonneville SSEi.. I dont plan on getting heavily into mods but just a little something to wake it up a bit since its my daily..
I wish this video was out when I had my 04 impala ss
Careful once you pass the 300HP mark. The 4T65E-HD just cant handle it for long
they cant even handle the stock engine for that long lol
That's why the ls4 platform is bad
Mine blew up 2 weeks ago 🙃
Can you just get a larger tranny cooler?
I installed the 1.0 PCM and blew the trans like a month later 😆 2 grand later, i had a new transmission.
Been modding my gtp now slowly over the last 4 years, down to a 2.55 pulley (gen 3 ported) with meth injection. Looks like it’s the end of the road for upgrades
Get a second or third grand prix to mod then!
Need more 3800 builds atuff there getting popular
Guys here's what you do, get a decent Grand National or T-Type roller and build up a 3800 series 2 engine. It's not as expensive as you think. First all the 3800 S2 has a great stock bottom end. The crank is nodular iron, which is tough as hell, and the stock mains are very beefy. As far as I know the stock heads, whether using SC heads and NA heads, when ported will flow better than GN stock ported heads. I've heard the S3 connecting rods are pretty strong as well, but I wouldn't chance it and get forged rods and pistons. Diamond makes a nice set. A 4l60E will bolt right up to the 3800, which is cheap, but if you plan on over 600rwhp you'd better go with 4L80, which is still cheap. Then it's a matter of fabricating parts to make it fit in the GN. Finally you'd need an after market engine and trans controller.
700r4 bolt up to 3.8 SC? 3.8SC in 3rd gen IROC or C4 corvette...now your talkin....
THULSA DOOM maybe, it’s as expensive as hell to get a GN/T-Type roller that is decent. The price on these cars. Hell I may just get a GTP and go from there. We are in need of a third car.
@@charleslowe522 Thats exactly what I have done. XD The engine is legendary. Test drove a 2 door GTP yesterday. Always impressed by 231 SC eng.
I thought the 3.8 needed a metric belhousing, which is different than a sbc belhousing.
I just bought me a 96 Oldsmobile LSS I guess I'll be looking in to some small changes it's got $148, 000mi .so I'm good to go I think
This will be some good stuff to keep in mind when I decide what to do with the engine I yanked from my coupe, still runs and has reasonable miles, might make a good donor for a different build.
Interesting. I’m thinking about doing a built up supercharged 3800 swap in my 02 Malibu if the 3100 ever dies
My friend did it on his! He’s got an L67 + F23, I’m doing it on my grand am next month. Currently have a G6 LX9 3.5 in it with the stock garbage 4spd. I’d rather have access to zzp. And of course the whine
4t60 feels more power than stock. Ok time to take a 💩
about to order a stage 2 kit. i love my 07 grand prix and i cant wait to love it even more.
I have a 06 gp sc was thinking of ordering the same thing but was kinda sketched aboit the cai set up
@@skyfly8904 i ended up ordering the catted downpipe alone first and i have to order the rest of the kit separate, but there is no cai on the site that matches the description of the one on the kit unless its just the k&n filter for the stock airbox. im ordering the over $200 zzp one off the site which wont have any issues i dont think. im more concerned over the pcm and pulley but i guess ill find out what happens soon enough
@@richard-li1ll keeps us posted
@@skyfly8904 for sure!
@@richard-li1llhe never kept us posted 😅
Great video! Appreciate the breakdown of what the parts do for us non-gearheads. Would love to see my '04 revived. Do you guys have a line on turbos?
Thank you so much for sharing your expertise in binary options trading!
Thank you for making this video
Awesome video man! 🇺🇸
Thanks 👍
Man I miss my 02 GTP supercharger she would get wild
Why am I watching this, it don't even run yet
Has anyone ever seen a 2003 monte on a rear wheel drive standard trans swap.? My ss is my baby but my 2001 firebird with headers back and intake was a blast. Light the tires up. Turned the speedo on it all the time in the mountains..
Those Rockers and Camshaft do they also work on a 3.1 Multi Port V6 engine? Can't se to find anything to tuned that engine. HELP
If you email our team at customerservice@zzperformance.com we can help you out!
The best mod on a car with a supercharged 3800 is building the trans.
How would some of these mods, like the intercooler, translate to a pontiac fiero, it being a mid engine and all?
Same question here 😂
get an electric fan from ebay and shove it in there.
Hey you did my tune! Lol great job btw 🤣
Seems like ditching that m90 blower is gonna be the cheapest way to see real power lmfaoo
What would be the best way to make serious gains?
The only motor I trust
Is the 3.8 l v6 in a 99 gtp the same as a 3.8l v6 on a 02 camaro (I can’t find any good supercharged videos about camaros of that year)
I went on the website is there nothing for the Buick riviera? 3800 supercharged would the regal kit work?
It depends on what kind of kit you are looking for. If you email us at customerservice@zzperformance.com we can give you the specifics.
Rockers dont change the valve opening, the cam does.
Nope..Going to a higher ratio rockers open the valve further for more air but does not have the duration(length of time the valve is open) of a cam..drive a stock 3800 with 1.6 rockers and then drive the same car with 1.9 and you will see and feel the difference...Rockers are just a poor man's cam
How much hp do all those modes combined give you?
Good question. I think he should have said. He only mentioned power once, and it was over 300 hp.
I had the GT ... Not the GTP ... Still modified it with cold air intake ... Note to future folks ... I ALWAYS put a cold air intake in my cars
but what would you do to make the transmission stronger? So much more power will break the transmission.
Could you suggest upgrades and mods for n/a series II 3800 engines? I am interested in making more modest but beneficial changes for improved torque and durability for the long haul.
Hey Duran, we actually have a seperate video for our top NA 3800 mods: th-cam.com/video/CpzeM1xS4TI/w-d-xo.html
I’m 18 years old and I just recently got my first car, I got a 1997 rs camaro that’s automatic sadly, I was told it was a manual by the seller but for a price of 3,000 dollars and only 37,000 original miles on it, I don’t think it was an offer I should pass up. Cars coming up onto 47k now, and I’m just now looking into putting more power into it. What should I do? I’m not a huge car enthusiast so I really don’t know much about anything, just the basics of car maintenance. Is my car worth modifying? Would it be worth it to throw a super charger on it? Turbo it out? This car is my daily driver so I still want to be able to drive it normally, just make it hit the speed limit faster lol. Please anyone who has any knowledge help me out. My engine is a 3800 series 2 I believe so that’s how I found this video.
Hey bro, you could just throw an exhaust on it, along with an intake. Might give you a bit of a jump you need.
But what about the transmission? My completely stock 2002 GTP lunched the trans at 86k miles, and I am not an abusive driver.
Did you check the diff pinion pins those come loose and grenade the housing, and shaft.
@@vincej4319 The forward apply band broke - loudly. Original transmission rebuilt with updated parts. Cost was $3300, or two months of Social Security. Happened about three years ago. But thanks.
@@stephendavidbailey2743 imagine living off of social security
What can one expect power wise, if one did all 5 upgrades?
Will these parts and upgrades work on the 98-99 Riviera? I'm looking at both a Rivy(98) and a GTP(99).
On your TH-cam video and the PDF "Modification recommended to a 3800 supercharged car" on your website mentions the Grand Prix GTP, I have the 06 GT,. Is that the same if I were to order parts? Thanks!
Yes, GTP parts will work for the '06 GT! For some reason Pontiac slightly changed the name for those cars in 2006.
Nice video, all of you guys are informative. You mentioned a north star throttle body. I have a cadillac with a north star engine. Would that be a good mod, for more power, or better throttle response, for my cadillac?
The Northstar engines actually came stock with the Northstar throttle body, so your Cadillac should already have that set up.
I have a clean 03 ssei, if i drop it off, will you do the work? Im disabled and want to have a little more fun while i can, but i can no longer do the work myself.
I have an Oldsmobile Intrigue with a Gen2 3.8. I have taken top end parts off a GT Grand Prix and currently in the process of a catback install. I was considering a supercharger and was curious what kind of job I am looking at undertaking. I hear the Old's engine is the better of the series and could bolt on a factory set-up out of a GTP. I have the intake. It's the electronics I am mainly concerned with. Any ideas or information would be appreciated. Thanks.
Sounds like a big undertaking. Shoot us an email at customerservice@zzperformance.com and we can help you out.
Can all of this be done to a 1989 Delta 88 Royal Brougham coupe?
Nope
With fabrication involved yes
I need help finding heads that aren’t aluminum for the car
question, 1986 fiero gt 3800 s/c swap. 1997 riviera 3800 s/c but now backed up by a muncie 282. we gasket matched and polished factory and zz one piece stainless valves. custom built headers. do I need valve springs and will a Gen 5 charger make much difference on an L67 series II . thanks
What about an AC cooler plate electric second motor to power the heat exchanger like freon it 134 pr whatever
I had an 04 Bonneville 3800 and i literally drove the piss out of it, had 250,000 miles on it when it got crushed, the body died before the engine, GM shit the bed when they gave up on this reliable v6
Me too. At 200k developed a helluva rattle tho ... only 94 octane made it go away.
If you want your 3800 Supercharge car to be faster put it in neutral and hitch it to a 1994-1996 Buick Roadmaster
Well no shit those came with a 5.7 v8
I would say a 3800 supercharged car would pull away from a shitty lt1
@@1991tommygun owning a few of both, I would say you are wrong. Strictly speaking about stock cars.
@@1991tommygun Now a turbocharged GN would be a different story.
I have a 3800 gtp 98 and im having trouble getting the power steering lines back in any tips
Jeremy Holmberg drop the subframe for anything power steering related makes it a piece of cake
Don't you have aluminum cylinder heads? that should have been the #1 mod before even thinking of adding more boost.
Why? It's out of most people's budgets and honestly people are making 300+ whp on stock heads, cam with E85.
Stock 3800 heads are aluminum.
@@s1mph0ny no, the heads and block are iron
What about the 80's model cars?
Will a bone stock 4t65e stand up to the abuse the engine would be dishing out with these mods if you at the least make it a 4t65e-HD with your diff kit? I don't want to smoke my tranny and not enough resources to try and slam a 4t80 in it. I know there's plenty of variables, just a general opinion.
If I get the xp cam, valve springs ,and a throttle body will I need to get a tune ???
you need more parts availability for a park avenue ultra
Got a 2002 Grand Prix gtp getting p0172 and p1133 after doing a stock to 5th gen supercharger with the North Star tb kit sensors for o2 are about year old can’t seem to narrow down the issue
Rough idle happens after car is warm idle starts wandering fluctuates idle up and down coming to a stop this happens but is intermittent
If you're still having troubles, send us an email at customerservice@zzperformance.com
How can I tweak my 03 lesabre limited no supercharger?
Do you offer these kits for a 1999 Buick Riviera with the 3800 Series II SC?
Can I put some performance parts on a 00 Monte Carlo?
Does it have the 3.8L Supercharged V6? If not, then look among ZZP's videos about the NA 3.8L mods.
Is the short stack intercooler going to be back in stock in the near future?
I been thinking on getting one I wanna get thr 99 model
Excellent
Best supercharged 3800 tuners?
Where are you guys at? My 98 gtp needs your attention
We are based in West Michigan. We do offer remote tuning if you're interested!
@@ZZPerformanceChannel what is remote tuning?
@@crisknapp1990 It basically allows us to look at your car's internals without you bringing it to us. We've got a nifty video that explains the process: th-cam.com/video/mzFUIhxJaX4/w-d-xo.html
@@ZZPerformanceChannel that's awesome I'll definitely get back to u when I can. Kind of busy ATM. Myself i would like 2 know if supercharger is working or not. Car is fast but that's meaningless because a 3800 without a supercharger might perform same way I hit 105 mph on freeway tonight but didn't hold it and try 2 go faster. In time when I have more money I'd love 2 have u guys check it out. The drunk punk I bought it from for sure let it go to crap
@@ZZPerformanceChannel guy I rent from said his 1.8 prizm will smoke my gtp. I told him dont hold his breath his car couldn't keep up if the wind was behind it going downhill lol. I also told him put his $ where his mouth is lol
So I can use these 5 upgrades on my 2004 gtp??
Absolutely!
Are there any mods that are safe for the base model 06 Grand Prix?
John Sabp damn 😢 but I’ve owned for almost 7 years and it’s been amazing best car I’ve ever owned. But! That being said I was looking a Fiesta St and the Focus St as a second car
my real question is what mods will and won't work on my 3800 series 2 v6 camaro ? since it's the rwd build of the pontiac
Shoot us a message at customerservice@zzperformance.com and we can give you all the info.
if i had the available funds, would see what would work with a rebuilt series 1 3800 for a park ave
Get Stage 1, it's not expensive. I mean if you have a mid to late 90's GM car I am positive you paid cash for it, you must have some money leftover.
what kind of headers should I get for my 2000 gtp ive been looking but im not sure which ones are good anyone have any recommendations?
Soo? If my buddy upgrades his Northstars throttle? I can swipe his old one to make more power?
Nice.
Do you guys have a stage 3 intercooler with a bigger area? Or is that gone?
who can i talk to about the 1.0 pcm? i've tried emailing multiple times with no response and really just need a few questions answered before i decide if it's worth the buy
How much whp can I expect from a Stage 2 on a 99?
Do you guys have a stage 2 kit for a 2000 bonneville ssei?
but what will give me the most loudest whine! HP means nothing to me all i want is the loudest possible whine!
What do you recommend for the Boneville SSEI?
I have the same car thats all stock, could you tell me why my car just cranks forever and wont turn on anymore? I already put in a new fuel pump, and starter 🤦🏾♂️🙏🏾
I had that issue and my issue was the crack shaft position sensor
What parts do I need to install a supercharger to my 2002 Pontiac Grand Prix Gt. Please list that I can buy. Thanks
they sell a kit
Still hoping for gen two Cruze parts soon🤘🏻🤘🏻
Lol said nobody ever
@@neilbrown82 I was about to say the same. Who the hell would buy a Cruze in the first place, nevermind the absolutely pointless idea of modding one. Literally the worst car to roll off a GM assembly line in 30 yrs.
@@Jayhoyt32 at least he's trying to make it work without being a bitch
Hey guys I’m in Canada and I can buy one it’s a 2002 GP 40th anniversary 3800 series 2
with 145KM for 3,500$ Canadian Dollars. I’m not to sure if that’s a a good deal or not, guys says it’s a rare find anyone can help me out?
Does all these parts work on Australian L67s? Like Holden Commodore supercharged 6s?