Holy crap... Thank you for pointing out the magnet (for the camshaft sensor), I'm putting together a 3800 with a double row timing chain & I forgot to take that off the original (single cam gear). Thanks for saving me a mountain of grief (my motor is still on the stand at the mo...).
I was a big 3800 guy when I was a kid…but then I grew up. Are people really still modding these engines bragging about 400 whp? Just get a junkyard LS and throw it in some dirtball Camaro, turbo it, make 800 wheel and grow up. Props to ZZP for staying true to themselves and not taking the easy way out.
Plenty of ppl making over 500 hp with theses engines buddy and there a few ppl also rwd swapping theses cars and a few also throwing LS engines in them as well
I found when using studs in these engines, the studs grow when warm and you loose tension on them. I could never get the gaskets to hold big boost until I retorqued them when the engine was at operating temp. Not sure if you guys found the same? Talking 1000hp/turbo stuff.
@@600zxr, apparently if you use top notch vavle train components, titanium springs, roller rockers, a high lift cam, bigger injectors, larger fuel pump, custom throttle body, cold air intake, custom ECM, (I'm sure your getting it), then the bottom end of these 3800 will take the power (for a while, your mileage may very). You may want to poke around your local strip to see what the local mad scientist's are doing with their dependable 3800's.
@@shovington67 while there are a lot of sixes making that kind of power, I just don't see it with the 3800......it's even harder to believe the trans can take it. It is a very reliable engine at stock levels but it's not a good base for a high powered reliable engine and efficiency is not going to happen. I only bought my 3800 GP to have a good car to build an extensive stereo system.
Hello friend. A little nerve wracking getting a big cam in one of these 3800's eh? Least I always thought so. Excited to see my OG car, my first car 98 GTP back when I was hanging with Scott Cook and Zoomer on forums, have new life breathed into it again.
The Buick v6 is at top dead center compression stroke when both the gear dots are at 12 o-clock. The same goes for all brands of American made iron block v8s. L6s, and v6s
The desired results are even better when the dot on the cam gear is at 6 o’clock and the crank gear dot is at 12 o’clock. No point in wasting time to determine if those times are pm or am. A quick look outside will usually help with that little detail 🥳.
It's the first time I've ever seen someone put the cylinder heads on before the camshaft. Usually I'll put in the can before the Pistons and rods. It goes in after the crank. I'm sure these guys know what they're doing but I've never seen it done like that before
Love these guys. They help me eliminate a nasty power delay on my 14 Cadillac CTS 2.0L when going off on ramp onto Interstate. Car is totally balls out now, just had to remove the noise intake silencer from air intake, and get K&N filter from ZZ. I even put proudly the ZZ sticker under hood, and funny thing is car is NO louder than OEM.
@@hayden6056 a "cold" air intake doesn't do anything for ya unless it actually over to a spot where it can get cold air. And even then it doesn't make exhaust louder...
@@johnscott1981 how is it a cold air intake if it's not breathing cold air? Really defeats the purpose doesn't it? You can still make more power though even if hot if the intake pipe size is a restriction. Lol no it doesn't change the exhaust note but who mentioned exhaust?.... Everything makes noise from tyres to valves not just exhaust. Intake noise makes a big difference go put a hard pipe and pod on an m90 car after removing the paper filter and box and tell me it makes no difference to the noise....
I have a '99 firebird V6 & my dad & I replaced the oil pump but I still don't have oil pressure (oil sensor is new & I don't have oil leaks)... Now I have lifter noise.
Unfortunately that’s the situation with these engines if they aren’t maintained with reasonable oil changes or when they are high mileage survivors. The leaks, if any externally aren’t the problem. When internal bearing clearances are worn excessively, a new oil pump won’t help much if at all. Your noisy hydraulic lifters that rely on reasonable oil pressure for proper operation are telling you the bad news. An engine rebuild using quality components will restore the oil pressure along with some performance as well.
I know this is a old post. But I am wondering if you or any viewers can give me some advice on the crank gear position. There is about three positions it can fit on the crank and I presume it is each a 2 deg change to the crank Cam timing as a result ?. If there is a possibility that when reassembly was undertaken, that the gear may have been put on the wrong location, what could be the result with the engine when running? As I am wondering if a lack of power, economy from what should be around 7-8L/100km is now running more around the 12-14L/100km highway. Would there be any other noticeable issues? Without removing the front assembly to view the timing gears is there a way to check the cam and crank timing somehow?
Arp sends moly lube for the studs, shouldn’t use oil it’s not the same as the moly lube viscosity. Also when doing head gaskets good practice to not touch the head gasket with fingers use gloves.
I think this project was abandoned. I'm not aware of any rods or crankshaft aftermarket parts that exist for a stroker build. There is a guy, Richard Holdener that is going to do a big bang test on a 3800 series 2 block. Can't wait to see how that tests comes out, because I'm seriously thinking of swapping a 3800 into my Grand National.
@@charleslowe522 c.o.m.e racing do some stroker sets. Have had some cranks break in supercharged form at the nose. I think it's $4500 aud with h beam rods , forged pistons etc.
I got a question i did head gaskets on my buddy's 2002 firebird stock 3800 series that he got handed down from his dad and when i torque the rockers down to spec on tdc it opens the valves when they are supposed to be closed and ideas?
I have the same car thats all stock, could you tell me why my car just cranks forever and wont turn on anymore? I already put in a new fuel pump, and starter 🤦🏾♂️🙏🏾
Perhaps the Fuel pump relay? Mine is doing the same thing now but in my case it wasn't just the fuel pump and fuel filter, there is so much going on with this car i have. 😰
Without knowing anything about your GP, I say of course. You should ask any of the ZZP people that currently have dedicated drag cars. I’m talking about quarter mile record setting W-bodies at ZZP 🏁🏆.
If you made it to 240.000 miles. It is a good one! And will make it to 300.000 miles. Mine made it to 270.000 before it had a "internal noise", or rod knock. Still drove fine but idled sounding like a Harley-davidson. Untill 184.000. Getting a engine replacement ( used not rebuilt ) w/ ZZP full powerlog exhaust and, heavy-duty ZZPERFORMANCE bottom engine mount & Transmission is being totally replaced too w/Remanufactured 🚗 2008 laCrosse is the car!
We are staying with the 4t65 for this build, but there are an increasing number of F23 manual trans swapped cars out there. It's the transmission out of the Cavalier/HHR/base model Cobalt.
Poor girl ask you a question and you completely ignore her even forcing her behind you while you crap on then turn and finish... Pretty poor camera etiquette.
thats because he's condescending and rude. She could build a better engine then this dud and I mean dud not dude. You can tell she wants to learn and instead he does it like shes never touched a wrench before its annoying and the content is shallow because of it
@@socknetea , That’s very well said and exactly what I was thinking too. This guy needs to lighten up with the superior attitude and stop the constant low key brow beating. Besides Ashley’s good mechanical abilities, she obviously has all of the desirable physical features that anyone who appreciates female beauty will agree on. I don’t think that the producers would be so narrow minded to think that having Ashley on the segment just for pleasing eye candy wouldn’t eventually become a uncomfortable situation. Who knows 🤔.
8:24 Why are YOU USING THE WRONG PROCEDURE TO INSTALL THE CAMSHAFT???? YOU are putting yourself out here as a expert, teaching a young little Virgin. Correct procedure is to stand the block yp vertical, yhen install camshaft. Then put engine on engine stand. 12:50 little virgin: you are such a great teacher. NOT
I have NEVER seen a cam installed with the engine vertical. By anyone anywhere ever. Its not even a realistic thought in the real world while doing cam swaps. I hope your either joking or at least will never teach anyone to do this.
@@geoffreygetzin3972 , The Nelly technique of cam installation is news to me also. After over 50 years and many speed shops, I’ve never seen it done by Pros or the novice builders. 🤔.
Awe, this is that annoying woman that answers the customer service emails and doesn't know anything other than how to repeat canned lines taught to her. At least she could be cute if she tried.
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Keep the 3800 content coming!!
Holy crap... Thank you for pointing out the magnet (for the camshaft sensor), I'm putting together a 3800 with a double row timing chain & I forgot to take that off the original (single cam gear).
Thanks for saving me a mountain of grief (my motor is still on the stand at the mo...).
Nice video. I love the tutorial/how to videos. I love learning more about the 3800 motors.
She is beautiful, and 3.8L to boot! Maybe two cylinders shy of being a LS, but that's OK! A pair of turbines and about 2bar! And life is good!
He has a nice little helper there.
Best Gm engine out there
3800 cheers for ZZP 😀
Women definitely have a finer touch, that was the best cam install I've seen. These cam bearings didnt feel a thing.
Maybe you should be more careful you big doofus
Lol while she asks if the washers are air tight? 😅 some guys just can't work around women
I was a big 3800 guy when I was a kid…but then I grew up. Are people really still modding these engines bragging about 400 whp? Just get a junkyard LS and throw it in some dirtball Camaro, turbo it, make 800 wheel and grow up. Props to ZZP for staying true to themselves and not taking the easy way out.
Plenty of ppl making over 500 hp with theses engines buddy and there a few ppl also rwd swapping theses cars and a few also throwing LS engines in them as well
Not everything needs a turbo LS or 800 whp. Some people just like 3800's
I found when using studs in these engines, the studs grow when warm and you loose tension on them. I could never get the gaskets to hold big boost until I retorqued them when the engine was at operating temp. Not sure if you guys found the same? Talking 1000hp/turbo stuff.
You have a 1000hp 3800?????
@@600zxr, apparently if you use top notch vavle train components, titanium springs, roller rockers, a high lift cam, bigger injectors, larger fuel pump, custom throttle body, cold air intake, custom ECM, (I'm sure your getting it), then the bottom end of these 3800 will take the power (for a while, your mileage may very). You may want to poke around your local strip to see what the local mad scientist's are doing with their dependable 3800's.
@@shovington67 while there are a lot of sixes making that kind of power, I just don't see it with the 3800......it's even harder to believe the trans can take it.
It is a very reliable engine at stock levels but it's not a good base for a high powered reliable engine and efficiency is not going to happen. I only bought my 3800 GP to have a good car to build an extensive stereo system.
This is pure truth!
@@600zxr The 3800 can and will make this power reliably, if done properly.
I'm going to bring my Riviera for a tune in a few months once I'm done putting it together
Hello friend. A little nerve wracking getting a big cam in one of these 3800's eh?
Least I always thought so.
Excited to see my OG car, my first car 98 GTP back when I was hanging with Scott Cook and Zoomer on forums, have new life breathed into it again.
great build guys! cant wait to see it in action!!!!
The Buick v6 is at top dead center compression stroke
when both the gear dots are at 12 o-clock. The same goes for
all brands of American made iron block v8s. L6s, and v6s
The desired results are even better when the dot on the cam gear is at 6 o’clock and the crank gear dot is at 12 o’clock. No point in wasting time to determine if those times are pm or am. A quick look outside will usually help with that little detail 🥳.
Would've been nice to see the rest of this build
When will yall be in stock for your 3800s? Went to the site and everything's sold out
Get rid of the use of teflon tape. Use locktite thread sealer and in some cases use locktite med strength.
It's the first time I've ever seen someone put the cylinder heads on before the camshaft. Usually I'll put in the can before the Pistons and rods. It goes in after the crank. I'm sure these guys know what they're doing but I've never seen it done like that before
Love these guys. They help me eliminate a nasty power delay on my 14 Cadillac CTS 2.0L when going off on ramp onto Interstate. Car is totally balls out now, just had to remove the noise intake silencer from air intake, and get K&N filter from ZZ. I even put proudly the ZZ sticker under hood, and funny thing is car is NO louder than OEM.
A cold air intake doesn't make your car louder...
@@johnscott1981 depending on the intake , yes it does lol.
@@hayden6056 a "cold" air intake doesn't do anything for ya unless it actually over to a spot where it can get cold air. And even then it doesn't make exhaust louder...
@@johnscott1981 how is it a cold air intake if it's not breathing cold air? Really defeats the purpose doesn't it?
You can still make more power though even if hot if the intake pipe size is a restriction.
Lol no it doesn't change the exhaust note but who mentioned exhaust?....
Everything makes noise from tyres to valves not just exhaust. Intake noise makes a big difference go put a hard pipe and pod on an m90 car after removing the paper filter and box and tell me it makes no difference to the noise....
@@hayden6056 barely noticeable. Been there, done that.
LOVE IT!
I have a '99 firebird V6 & my dad & I replaced the oil pump but I still don't have oil pressure (oil sensor is new & I don't have oil leaks)... Now I have lifter noise.
Unfortunately that’s the situation with these engines if they aren’t maintained with reasonable oil changes or when they are high mileage survivors. The leaks, if any externally aren’t the problem. When internal bearing clearances are worn excessively, a new oil pump won’t help much if at all. Your noisy hydraulic lifters that rely on reasonable oil pressure for proper operation are telling you the bad news. An engine rebuild using quality components will restore the oil pressure along with some performance as well.
@@danielwilson6665 well damn. I'm gonna get an oil change right the fuc now 0_o
YES DUDES!!!
I know this is a old post. But I am wondering if you or any viewers can give me some advice on the crank gear position. There is about three positions it can fit on the crank and I presume it is each a 2 deg change to the crank Cam timing as a result ?. If there is a possibility that when reassembly was undertaken, that the gear may have been put on the wrong location, what could be the result with the engine when running?
As I am wondering if a lack of power, economy from what should be around 7-8L/100km is now running more around the 12-14L/100km highway. Would there be any other noticeable issues?
Without removing the front assembly to view the timing gears is there a way to check the cam and crank timing somehow?
Thats one good looking girl 🤤
Gorgeous and is handy with a wrench, perfect woman right there
Where to find girl mechanic
UTI you’ll find em
@@ced-one374urinary tract infection?
You should do a LSJ 4 banger build would be interesting as I do have a supercharged cobalt myself
I wonder if that’s the same Ashley who helped me yesterday
Arp sends moly lube for the studs, shouldn’t use oil it’s not the same as the moly lube viscosity. Also when doing head gaskets good practice to not touch the head gasket with fingers use gloves.
are you eliminating the balance shaft?
Wondered that also , like where was it
Fuck I just realized I only loctited my head studs. I hope it doesn't start leaking.
I just got a 1990 buick reatta can I install the 1.9 rocker arms on it or only series 2 engine?
There's so many small cars I want to swap one of these into.
Still running 4t65?
They had to rebuild mine. My 02 Grand Prix threw a bearing and then a piston rod in cylinder 5
12:28 giving a reach around?
What parts make it a stroker? Please tell me.
I think this project was abandoned. I'm not aware of any rods or crankshaft aftermarket parts that exist for a stroker build. There is a guy, Richard Holdener that is going to do a big bang test on a 3800 series 2 block. Can't wait to see how that tests comes out, because I'm seriously thinking of swapping a 3800 into my Grand National.
@@charleslowe522 Nice
It has a custom rotating assembly with increased stroke.
@@GTPonYOU1 Who makes the stroker crank.
@@charleslowe522 c.o.m.e racing do some stroker sets. Have had some cranks break in supercharged form at the nose.
I think it's $4500 aud with h beam rods , forged pistons etc.
is any of this video in focus?
What was the thickness before and after you took the head gasket apart?
I got a question i did head gaskets on my buddy's 2002 firebird stock 3800 series that he got handed down from his dad and when i torque the rockers down to spec on tdc it opens the valves when they are supposed to be closed and ideas?
Hey James, message our team at customerservice@zzperformance.com and they can give you some tips.
Yo what's V Sauce Michael doing over at ZZPerformance??
How much for a 3800 motor rebuild? From you guys
I have the same car thats all stock, could you tell me why my car just cranks forever and wont turn on anymore? I already put in a new fuel pump, and starter 🤦🏾♂️🙏🏾
Perhaps the Fuel pump relay? Mine is doing the same thing now but in my case it wasn't just the fuel pump and fuel filter, there is so much going on with this car i have. 😰
I wanna convert my gp into a drag car do you think its possible
Without knowing anything about your GP, I say of course. You should ask any of the ZZP people that currently have dedicated drag cars. I’m talking about quarter mile record setting W-bodies at ZZP 🏁🏆.
Can never use enough lube! Lol 😆
👩 does this make the washer air tight? Yea
I have a 3.8 v6 3800 series 3 L26 not supercharged and I want to put a supercharger on it. What would I have e to do.
You can easily find the supercharger in a junkyard. GM superchargers didn't have stock intercoolers tho. Some people suggest a cam upgrade
So what exactly makes this a stroker?
I’m wondering if this is their kit that swaps the crankshaft, essentially making it…. I think a 4.3L?
What rwd transmission fits these?
Pretty sure the old reliable 4L60E transmission fits these and whatever other transmissions that have the same bolt pattern as that.
Nice 🎂
Whats the part number for that cam
I see that they don't reply to any of the comments.
Will my Pontiac Grand Prix with 237,000 miles last up to 300,000 or more? It has a 3800 series 2 engine
Yes
Its a BUICK, not a ford.
If you made it to 240.000 miles. It is a good one! And will make it to 300.000 miles.
Mine made it to 270.000 before it had a "internal noise", or rod knock. Still drove fine but idled sounding like a Harley-davidson. Untill 184.000.
Getting a engine replacement ( used not rebuilt ) w/ ZZP full powerlog exhaust and, heavy-duty ZZPERFORMANCE bottom engine mount
& Transmission is being totally replaced too w/Remanufactured 🚗 2008 laCrosse is the car!
This there a manual trans for the 3800?
Yea but I think its rwd. Like for the Camaro 3800
a bunch of FWD options that will handle power too.
We are staying with the 4t65 for this build, but there are an increasing number of F23 manual trans swapped cars out there. It's the transmission out of the Cavalier/HHR/base model Cobalt.
@@ZZPerformanceChannel can the F23 fit inside and work in a 10th gen (00-05) bonneville?
In a Camaro or Firebird.
Dumb question from a dummy! L26 heads are aluminum or cast iron???
The L26 heads are made of cast iron.
I need to build my engine:(
👍👍
Great video, ZZP did my build. Check out my ZZP dyno video on my TH-cam channel. ZZP is the best for 3800s!!!
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Lmao 6:26 (I'll grab deez nuts)
Poor girl ask you a question and you completely ignore her even forcing her behind you while you crap on then turn and finish... Pretty poor camera etiquette.
He put that pipe tape on the wrong way it’s going to unravel when he puts that in
Sorry dude. If you think he put that tape on wrong, then you are doing it wrong.
This girl is hot as hell!!
Why is there a female
This girl clearly has no clue and absolutely no interest in what you're saying.
thats because he's condescending and rude. She could build a better engine then this dud and I mean dud not dude. You can tell she wants to learn and instead he does it like shes never touched a wrench before its annoying and the content is shallow because of it
@@socknetea , That’s very well said and exactly what I was thinking too. This guy needs to lighten up with the superior attitude and stop the constant low key brow beating.
Besides Ashley’s good mechanical abilities, she obviously has all of the desirable physical features that anyone who appreciates female beauty will agree on.
I don’t think that the producers would be so narrow minded to think that having Ashley on the segment just for pleasing eye candy wouldn’t eventually become a uncomfortable situation. Who knows 🤔.
Dude needs to tone it a notch
toyota is GARBAGE
8:24 Why are YOU USING THE WRONG PROCEDURE TO INSTALL THE CAMSHAFT????
YOU are putting yourself out here as a expert, teaching a young little Virgin.
Correct procedure is to stand the block yp vertical, yhen install camshaft. Then put engine on engine stand.
12:50 little virgin: you are such a great teacher. NOT
I have NEVER seen a cam installed with the engine vertical. By anyone anywhere ever. Its not even a realistic thought in the real world while doing cam swaps. I hope your either joking or at least will never teach anyone to do this.
@@geoffreygetzin3972 , The Nelly technique of cam installation is news to me also. After over 50 years and many speed shops, I’ve never seen it done by Pros or the novice builders. 🤔.
Awe, this is that annoying woman that answers the customer service emails and doesn't know anything other than how to repeat canned lines taught to her. At least she could be cute if she tried.