@WhipCityWrencher -- 8:07 -- where you are pressing on the WIX XP filter -- is that cicular by-pass piece that you are pushing in made of some sort of plastic or is it steel?
I used to buy wix. But I've purchased a 2010 Honda civic, and live in a small town with a NAPA strore a block away , so a NAPA premium is what the mechanic down the street uses. So when I do my own oil changes, I just go down to NAPA, and purchased what he installed. Go in, have a relaxing, interesting conversation with folks who know you. I've watched this before. Good tech video.
Wix makes napa filters. I used to go to the trade shows and the napa rep would turn his name tag over and it would show he was the wix's rep also. I ran wix on my fleet of 250 for 40+ years. Still using today.
Affinia Group makes WIX and NAPA filters and a host of other private labels as well like O'Reilly's Micro-Gard line. Both they and Purolator became part of MANN+Hummel in 2016. They all differ because of the design specs of the buyer. Purolator makes Motorcraft filters, but to Ford Engineering Department's specs. MANN+Hummel Tech Desk told me they would continue to operate the companies (Affinia (WIX), Purolator, and MANN+Hummel Filtration) as three separate and distinct units.
You should measure the number of square inches of media. The fact that one media is longer than the other is not the full picture of how much surface area there is to remove contaminants from the oil. With these two filters with identical media its almost worthless to only check the over length.
Your 100% right, Sometimes it's an easy call, but this one, was close, the next time I make a comparison video with similar widths and lengths I'll try to remember to post the square inch of each filter. Because that you mentioned it, I just looked at the numbers and figured it out and the Napa was 1.73" x 52"=89.96 square inches and the Wix XP was 2.12"x 46"=97.52 square inches. Thanks, I can't fix the video but I'll pin this on Top so everyone will see it. Thanks Again.👍🙏😊
I'm often amazed by Napa's products. I purchased a new radiator for my one-ton diesel a few years ago. It was made in Jordan, but the quality was superb. I'd never seen anything made in Jordan before.
I have been using the Napa 41348 for years in my Toyota Tacoma and get them on sale every year for $7.50-$8 on sale. Will continue to use them with confidence. Awesome review thank you!
The differences between the two become more pronounced when running longer OCIs. Changing your oil more frequently (sooner) is the most important factor for the long-term life of your 🚗 engine. 😊
Wix makes NAPA filters with specific changes that NAPA request. The inner core has more a directional flow with multiple diagonal channels helping create a spinning effect increasing the oil flow thru the media. The spring is to guarantee the exact bypass pressure even under extreme oil temperatures. The anti-drain feature insures oil flow thru the guides an added feature that NAPA request. Yes, I have used NAPA oil filters for 30 plus years and cut open many a filter just to see what was in my oil on all the cars I've owned. I have never had an engine failure yet. I have purchased cars that used other brand filters and put NAPA filters on them and when I cut them open after the next oil change I could not believe what the NAPA filter had collected. Sold me on NAPA filters right then.
Thanks, any other findings.? About same for me,NAPA GOLDS, ETC. INTERESTINGLY, I SWITCHED TO OEM AIR FILTERS six++ years ago from K& N AIR ( never any issues , three vehicles: RECENTLY moved TO high dust area)::: pickedmupmNAPA **GOLD AIR 2015 A 4 CYL,& would *not fit without major finesse: returned to Napa)…… l stay GOLD NAPA, oil, lBOSS PUROLATOR
How do you know what NAPA specs for their filter manufacturers? I've used multiple other filters Never NAPA and never had an engine failure either. That really isn't a valid factor in filters.
Nice informative video! The platinum is what I’ve been using for years, I don’t use cheap oil filters! I even go a step further by using the biggest oil filter that fits the application! More bounce to the ounce baby!!!
So you like wasting your money. You know the old saying a fool and his money soon part. LOL Any oil filter will due just fine at regular change cycles. There is no rocket science to this. Just a lot of marketing hype and confusion.
@@jamesvw769 I use Wix XP filters and Mobil full synthetic at 10k mile oil changes. The oil comes out barely dirty on my fleet trucks that have been on synthetic for a while.
I have a 1992 Toyota Ecab 4x4. 525k and the engine is about 80% according to my good friend who has been a mechanic for almost 40 years. I changed the oil regularly and NEVER used a cheap oil filter.
Right out of the gate, you had napa as the winner. They are both excellent products. If I were to not be able to get one, I would choose the other. They are both hands down better than the competition.
Yep, Both are good oil filters, Wix used to have a base-end bypass valve which I think is a better setup. This is an older video, I Now put in the Filters square inches. So I probably would have gone either way with these. Read the pinned comment.
Both are great filters and you can’t go wrong with either one. However, by the time you pay for shipping from rock auto for the WIX, you can get the Napa for about the same price. I have been using the wix for years but will probably switch to Napa just for the convenience and I usually get my oil from Napa anyway.
Buy in BULK online ...not like your going to just up and stop needing them. Doesn't matter what filter you really use as long as you stick to 3k changes for 4-6cyl and up to 5k v8 servicing. Dont care what oil you use or filters stick with 3k/5k oil changes and you will have no problems getting 2-300k or much more.Have used delco/wix/motocraft/ST that end up with 200-300k without major issues on only conventional oil. Not a synthetic oil user other then burning it as black diesel fuel so I stick with conventional oils to lubricate.
@@stanleynowak9325- Our shop used NAPA Silvers and Purolator Techs for years with no comebacks. Use good oil and change it by the owner's manual and everything will be fine. Sometimes you have to think months not miles, especially in our area's climate.
Full area of the holes is what matters. Full area of the filter is what matters. As for the spring, if the leaf spring is placing greater final pressure, that’s what matters. And of course cost matters. Thanks for the video. I know, it’s old. And other commenters probably said the same things. But just in case they didn’t…. :-)
Always good comparisons. For me, I use Wix standard filters with a quality synth oil, changed at 3-4k miles. Cheap insurance over hundreds of thousands of miles. No additives or high mileage oil needed.
I use Wix for everything, I currently have over 200k on my 95' Lexus SC300. No oil usage or smoke, quiet valvetrain too. Most of the high performance cars I've seen, seem to run Wix too. They can handle high oil pressures better than Fram etc.
@@02hreblue30 yes a waste. Not cheap insurance to throw away still great oil. Maybe at 7,500 it’s cheap insurance to throw away full synthetic oil. At 3,500 miles it’s expensive insurance.
From data I have gathered lately, I think both are a winner. I have just switched from FRAM to WIX, the metal end plates is what sold me over FRAM, which had hard cardboard on the ends. Chevy V8 filters don't have a bypass in the filter, just that metal stand you saw. This once ignored filter stuff is getting interesting.
I’ve used both on my 2008 jeep JKU, and the reason I like the Napa better is because it let’s less oil drain out of the top of the engine when it’s off, so when I start it, with the NAPA filter I get less initial valve tap then I do with the Wix.
I've never experienced it myself, but I've heard of people changing filter brands and their engines were quieter on startup. Great! Thanks for sharing👍🙏😊
@@WhipCityWrencher I've had the start up noise on my Ford Ranger when I used a Bosch filter and a Mobil One filter. Also with a cheap one from Auto zone. The noise is from the oil draining through the anti drain back valve (in other words the valve leaked). It empties the filter (slowly, like a couple of hours), so when starting the engine bearings have not oil pressure until the filter fills up again. Like putting on an empty filter during an oil change. You will hear the engine rattle until oil pressure hits the bearings--not good! If you experience this, change to another filter ASAP.
@@tarquineous I kinda goofed on my previous comment, Ive had engine start-up noise in the past with oil filters also just never with the Wix filter is what I meant to say. I agree if it makes noise switch brands.
3 years ago I had a NAPA Gold for my Jeep TJ 4.0 which had a failure of the drain back valve and its failure would drain all the oil from the engine back into the oil sump through the oil pump in about 3 days with resultant hydraulic lifter clatter. It is not good to have a dry start every time you start your engine as it is hard on bearings and camshaft. NAPA and Wix sent representatives to my house. I filled the oil filter with oil, put my thumb over the discharge hole, turned the filter on its side, and we watched oil drain out past the rubber valve. The Wix filter guy was amazed to see this. I gave him the filter after draining the oil and never heard back from Wix or NAPA. I am not a fan of horizontal oil filters like my '03 Jeep 4.0 or downward facing filters like my Toyota Tacoma 4.0 V-6 with its oil filter on top of the engine (really messy to change filters). The best design is the early Chevy small blocks that were under the engine block and you could completely fill them before installation.
ArnCital; Agree! To avoid the 'morning start rattle,' on my Crown Vic' (w/horizontal filter), I'm having to 'floor' the pedal (closes off the injectors) when turning engine over for a few seconds, to build-up oil pressure prior to starting.
Went to Napa today to get a Platinum filter. None in stock and was told they're doing away with that line (cheapin out like everyone else). I ordered the only 2 left in the area, to pick up when they get to the store.
I'm thinking that the XP has a leaf spring because of the taller filter media. If they used a (taller) coil spring in it, like in the NAPA, they'd also have to make the can taller. That would probably prevent it from fitting certain applications where space is limited. Either way, I always use NAPA or Wix filters, depending on which one is on sale at the time.
@@USMCghost So what? A clear understanding of the purpose OF the "spring" and of Pascal's law of hydraulics prove that either design is more than good enough to perform the function for why they're present in the first place!
I would be more interested in flow rate and actual filtering capability of large and small particles on a micron scale and accurate the by pass rating is to advertised rating.
The oil flow rate is probably about the same on each as Wix makes both of these filters, check out this link, says 7 to 9 gpm. www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=1863364
WIX 51515R ... The "only" oil filter going on my 1965 427 AC Cobra MKIII. Regular Blackstone Oil Analysis with the results I was expecting. Also, it is the only filter approved by my two Sons, who are the repository of knowledge for all things that matter on Planet Earth.
I use Napa Gold and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, at 5K intervals. Inspection of upper valve train area on ‘17 2.5L Camry revealed zero varnish buildup after 88K mikes. Oil always has a clear, transparent appearance. This a great combination and highly recommended.
@@WhipCityWrencher Pennzoil Platinum is good, but for just a little bit more, Ultra Platinum offers a superior additive package. Cold flow performance is good as Mobil 1, also.
Wix recently changed manufacturers. Noticed the same difference between two identical PN Wix XP filters, except one from 2020, the other from 2021. The 2020 is just like the Napa in your video; the 2021 is just like the Wix XP in your video. Called Wix questioning change and they confirmed manufacturer change. Presume Napa will change as well. Agree, prefer the old vs. the new. Thanks for the cut-up comparison.
Did my oil change today, bought wix xp since thats what i have been useing for years. I notice the difference on the top holes on both filters. Decided to do some research if they changed their way of making the filter on the interior components.Wix got cheap, Need to find a new filter
My dad was a NAPA jobber for 40 years. I’m glad I learned to not obsess over the number of holes in oil filter bases. This is classic YT mentality, clinging to meaningless differences to support video production and belong to a group. Either filter is fine. I’ve used both NAPA and Wix since the 60s, worn out many vehicles long before their engines developed any oil related issues. A comparison of two filters does not compare the companies’ entire production, nor does it account for running production changes. We’ve all seen the disclaimers for years: “XX company reserves the right to change product specifications at any time....” Go buy two more and perhaps they’ll be different. Speaking of that, the last two x1358 and x7356 filters I bought no longer fit my filter wrench. So what. They changed them. A video will be worth our time when it exposes a truly inferior product. Speaking of those 40 years long ago, my dad once brought home a manufacturer’s cutaway display filter, probably from the 1950s. It contained a roll of cotton gauze bandage, like cheesecloth, about an inch thick. Makes an argument about pleats seem pretty silly.
I know you want to put TH-cam down and TH-camrs, but TH-cam provides a great service to everyone out there. TH-cam provides a means to put out videos so people can be entertained and also learn from them. For example, If you get a check engine light and the code reads po121 and you've never changed a TPS, look it up on TH-cam and there's probably a video on it, and so on. I also occasionally do repair videos. Now as far as oil filters go, if there wasn't TH-cam then how would you ever know what was in all the different oil filters out there. At least you make a more informed decision on what kind of oil filter you want to put on your engine. And if you think that all oil filters are the same, then you should be watching more TH-cam videos. Just like you stated about the cotton gauze filter, they are constantly changing. Take care.
What is the total surface area of the filter media for each? Length x width. I would give it to the one with more filter area but you don’t answer that….
11:00. I do NOT think either of these are a 21 micron anymore, if ever. One or the others sites showed 30 and 35. Thus I only used Gold/Regular Wix at 21 which Wix does show on their site still. Most long life filters(10K plus) do not filter as tight. Thus how they last longer.
At the time I made the video they showed the micron rating at the Napa website and at RockAuto. I now see they dont show anything. (it's happened to me before) They like to play the micron game. I may just stop giving out micron readings because of this.
@@WhipCityWrencher I called Wix once. They said 99% at 35. The theory is as it gets plugged up it filters finer. Yes. They all do. This seems standard for these long life 10K plus filters. I'd rather swap two Regular Wix/Napa Gold at 21 microns and still good for 10K. They are around 5 -6 bucks online or sale. I like clean oil. Most enthusiasts use Reg Wix or Napa Gold and it is crazy to go over 10K on any oil or filter.
My take is the wix centeris larger with smaller holes with baffles. In the event of contaminants, you would think more holes wouldn't plug as easy and stabilize the return pulses more of a stable flow rather than heavy pulses the larger less holes would produce, plus the wix has baffles, probably to direct and stabilize oil flow. Always have used wix but like someone mentioned they're made in China, I'll probably go to fleetgard or someone like that.
A few years ago some people noticed that some used oil filters had tears or splits in the media/filter paper. Probably when large amounts of flow of cold oil attempt to flow through the media high pressure and force develop,also flexing with changes in pressure due to changing engine speed and shut down. Would get worse as dirt coats the media with continued use. I think an attempt was made due to the reports of the tear problems to make the strength of the media greater by using the mesh interior. I believe most of the tearing occurred when people ran a long mileage interval before changing the oil or filter and maybe cold oil and thick oil such as 20w-50 or SAE 30 were involved. I had a filter of one of the brands claimed to have a tear problem that I had used for a year with 5w-30 synthetic,less than 3,000 miles on it,I could not find any tears in the media when I cut the filter open,nor was there more than a minimal amount of what looked like varnish.
A couple of years after M&H bought Wix, I started getting filters that would drain back overnight, causing noticeable lifter rattle on startup and delaying oil pressure by 4-5 seconds. The same issues I used to have (surprise surprise…) with Mann filters years ago. It’s a shame, but Wix is off my “usable” list. But Purolator is now back on ( especially the ‘Boss’ synthetic) since they changed their filter media assembly method after all the rips people weee finding in pleats near the seam a number of years ago.
Hi Steve, Thanks for your feedback! I like the Boss filter also, it's very well-made. I have used it in my vehicle. th-cam.com/video/WqXxIasAYMc/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
Been using Wix XP on synthetic blend oil for years. I have had no issues. I am rebuilding my Surburban 5.7. I have been measuring wear. The wear has been minimal and sludge is also minimal. Oil pressure is great on the wix. I won't be switching.
Yea i was surprised about the Wix XP not having the wire-backed media as descripted on the box. Well the proof is in the pudding thank u for sharing the video it's very informative 👌
Good demo. It seems the problem with all filter comparisons is one can never know if/when a vendor will decide to cheap out and change the design. Unless you cut your filter open, then put it back together before installation. Impractical. For now it’s NAPA. I’ve used K&N for several years, thinking their reputation should carry weight. Probably not.
Why is it that whenever a design change in an oil filter occurs, we get so many people saying that it's because "they cheaped out !" or "we're being cheated" or some such nonsense. Design change is inevitable -- it's called progress.
@@SlikLizrd When a design change results in a product which is clearly inferior to the pre-change version, you have to suspect the manufacturer is cutting corners. The oil filters in this review, when cut open clearly show some design changes which were not aimed at improving the product. Every business on the planet is constantly making every effort to contain costs of producing goods and services. We see it in many products, many industries. One ready example: a cereal box at the grocer which is a large size, but the net weight of the product inside the box has been reduced by a few ounces. You may not want to call that cheating but I believe there is an element of deception.
@@SlikLizrd Progress is when you make something better, not worse just to satisfy stockholders who only look at profits. In my opinion that is what is going on all around us. Just open up your eyes. Planned Obsolescence.
@@WhipCityWrencher Progress is made by moving FORWARD, just as WIX has done by getting rid of the Coil Spring and that damned Wire Mesh Screen. Your OPINION that the WIX was made "worse just to satisfy stockholders who only look at profits" is not realistic. As an actual stockholder, I can tell you that production methods and design changes are NOT discussed (or even consided) at the annual stockholder meetings. AND, as someone whose career has been in manufacturing/production for several decades (now retired ), I can tell you with absolute certainty that nobody calls up the stockholders to ask if a design change is approved. No one. Ever.
Wix is now owned by Mann+Hummel who also owns Purolator. The Wix XP looks like a repackaged Purolator BOSS filter - including the stamped spring and center tube design. The NAPA Platinum is also made by WIX (used to be same as XP), but still retains the coil spring and spiral center tube. What you may be looking at is an older NAPA filter from inventory (still using the old XP design). I'm hoping the commonality of design is not Mann+Hummel migrating Wix filters to essentially be Purolators for cost reasons. That would be very disappointing as I'd now have to start looing at Baldwin or Fleetgard...
I'd be qurious to see the difference between the napa gold and the napa platinum filters. I always buy the napa gold, didn't realize the have a platinum. Think I paid about 11 bucks for it too. Seemed too high, but?
Definitely like the napa better. A little suprised they aren't the same. Always thought they were. Good thing is I bought 5 napa platinum filters on that sale you told us about. Glad I did. Thanks for the review 👍👍👍
I used to be all for NAPA until I saw the box at the counter for the exact same one I took off with a stamp- made in the USA. For the same filter- the new one was stamp- made in China. You have to watch what you are getting.
Good job! I was really impressed how you handled the suggestion about filter area. That lets us know you want to learn and continue to improve your videos giving us valuable information to help make informed decisions.
I like the wix. They have a nice washing machine style centrifugal force to run oil all the way up, and certain it all gets filtered, instead of just pouring in the holes. Both seem very good 👍. I'll go with Wix for the corvette
Sometimes you can, But even if it has the correct threads it may not be good for your engine. You want to be careful as some of the specs may be totally off, such as a bypass valve could have a different setting or not have one at all. Most of the time it's best to use the correct filter for your vehicle. What two filters are we talking about?
@@Rick-nk7pm Click on the link and see if this is the one, if it is and you have the room The 7313 is a little longer www.fram.com/parts-search/?ref=NoIg5gpgdhBOCGAbEAaKBXRiUgEwAYBGAdlRAAUB5AGQEEAlASQGUzmAHAe1gBcBnALbwoAAgCsxfChEAVTulgBLKGGnNyZMQDZiAY11lynAO5wRHbvzK0ssuAmUiAahAAWi3YgggAukA
There is a small place selling Napa in Guatemala, I will check the Napa filter. But very much the same. I had no problems with Wix filters for 15 years
It would be an interesting data set to see the difference in area of the holes in the base base plates and in the cores, this will give you an idea on flow rates. Also the more pleats=more wasted surface area at the tips, couple this with having smaller pleats and you will drastically reduce the flow rate through the filter media.
Whatever the "flow rate", neither filter can flow more than the inner area of the engine block mounting stud. I'll bet money both filters total hole inlet area at least equal to, more likely more than, inner area engine block mounting stud.
Yes I agree. Square inches of filter media and the actual media itself are the most important structures of an oil filter. This and and flow rate which correlate to larger and more holes in a heavier base plate. I doubt the bypass ever comes into play during normal driving
Beliving the area behind the end flanges doesn't participate in filtration "is wasted" is wrong. The part of a paper towel that doesn't directly contact a water spot can absorb water because capillary action/surface tension moves the liquid along the surface of the fibers The same thing happens with oil in a filter. The oil that travels to the end cap and back around the flange to exit travels a longer path that makes it more likely to be cleaned.
Thank you for this video. My wife's car takes these filters and I have been using the WIX XP on it sense we bought it. I might still go with WIX XP, but I am going to do some more research to see if I can find what other filters meant for that car are like.
WHat's the micron rating on the boxes? That's key as these are nanofiber. W/o an electron microscope you can't really tell much but compare these to the cellulose. Also that nylon screen is a plus as there are no resins in the media it flows better at all temperatures so that screen just keeps the material from coming apart w/o flow limiting resins all other filters use.
Most surprised both filters aren't identical. Explanation, Wix (M&H) has been making some changes in construction recently. The Platinum shown is the older Wix XP construction, spacer, coil compression spring & adbv prove. The XP being very new stock shows the changes especially leaf spring, 'possibly' looks to be Purolator (also M&H) made. Also media backing on BOTH as noted, now very similar to Boss. XP/Plat used to have black mesh. Many Wix purists will get upset at changes, but most filters use a flat spring and many use louvers, both work well. Check the Napa Plat. in a few months, new stock, bet is it will be identical to XP in video. Changes in XP likely cost saving directed by Mann. Wonder if XP still made in Gastonia, NC or Puro plant Fayetteville NC. Thanks for vid.
@@WhipCityWrencher I hear you, but with the exception of name on label, Wix labeled and Napa Gold, newish XP and Platinum always the same. With M&H calling the shots anything possible but I'd be very surprised if Platinum stays same as video.
@@opera93 "actually GOLD NAPA MY go to…….." Mine too. Can get them on special @ local Napa couple times a year. As long as the Napa Gold doesn't go the Puro media tear route, I'm not put off with the changes in construction.
I recently ordered a case of Wix 57055 filters, one was the style like the Platinum in this video while all others were the Purolated version like the XP in the video. I don't like the changes.
Very expensive modern vehicles don’t even have metal caps and aren’t in cans any more. They are inside a cylinder on top of the engine. Unscrew the cap slide out the filter replace with new gasket and done.
True, Cartridge oil filters. Some Vehicles have them, some don't. They've been around for a while now, a friends 2007 Saturn Ion that I do oil changes on, has a cartridge oil filter.
Could be a difference of production runs and design changes at manufacturer. An analysis of their filtering capabilities would be useful. In any event, thanks for the video!!
The Wix Xp, Microgard, and the Microgard Select are 3 different-looking filters. Check out these videos th-cam.com/video/tMo3P6y_3Xg/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher th-cam.com/video/MDg7sPH6Uv4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
@@WhipCityWrencher Yes of course, but if you were testing each one under the same pressure and conditions,and the same equipment you used for the test..... yes ? then you could see under the same conditions which allows the best flow while also filtering efficiency ! yes it would be difficult to set up, but very relevant test for why we buy them !
Brand Ranks has a video that demonstrates the filtration of the filters, and I'd have to believe that how a filter performs is more important than its numerical physical characteristics.
Both will do a good job filtering oil , The main takeaway.. will be the NAPA branded filter probably has the better longevity (ie Higher mileage ) between oil changes for the lazy non-car people out there.. Me? I will continue to change my oil every 5000 miles regardless of which filter I use.
you need to check the diameter of the holes as well, there may be 1 fewer on the Wix but the Napa are smaller so the volume of oil that passes is probably the same, your big difference is that spring. still pretty much the same filter, you can pick up the wix at O'Rielly auto as well and it is priced about the same as the NAPA. I order my Wix filters from RockAuto and buy multiples to reduce shipping cost on each. Hopefully Rock figures out the shipping issue and better controls that cost, splitting shipments across warehouses (and it will change when you try to choose parts to reduce shipments) drives me crazy!
I live and breathe with WIX XP filters. I owned a NAPA AutoCare Center and the only filters I stocked were NAPA Gold and Silver (for free oil changes that we offered).
Per a WIX tech rep, the XP is not their “best” filter. It is a purpose built filter just like their racing filters and their XD diesel engine filters. The XP is intended for longer service intervals and better compatibility with synthetic oils. The standard filter is still WIX’s best automotive filter for the actual job of filtering oil. Also, filters with a bypass in the media cartridge don’t require a spring. That spring is what WIX uses to allow standard filters to bypass that don’t have an integral media bypass. Both of these are very good filters as are some other house brands that WIX/Mann/Hummel make for some other retailers.
At what point does any of this make any difference if the engine oil and filter are changed at the manufacturers specified intervals. It is also my understanding that Wix makes Napa and Fleetguard filters anyway.
I’ve been using Wix XP oil filters on my 2019 Roush F-150 since I bought it. But, after watching your enlightening video, I think I’ll be swapping over to the Purolator Boss oil filter now. Thanks!
I will take the wix filter more square inches of media leaf spring Or coil spring no difference but the big difference to me is half the price and will do the job just fine
@@frankpaglianite4158 Actually, the Wix XP is $11.18 on Amazon and the Purolator Boss is $11.19 on Amazon. And, the filtering capability is stronger with the Purolator Boss - 99+% at 20 microns.
Both of these filters are made in the USA 2:34 This video is over a year old, so they may be made in Mexico now. You'll have to check the filter itself out before you buy and look at the sticker on the can. Thanks for watching!
Very cool, sir! I loved it, very analytical I think that you could add perhaps a flow check? But again very comprehensive and I thank you because I am going to swap to Napa! I love the overall physical design, and the thinking that went into the NAPA oil filter..😊
Would you like a used NAPA platinum 41348 to open and inspect? Took one off yesterday. It has a coil spring and holes in the center tube. But I have two more which I have not yet used and they have louvres, not holes. All purchased within the past 15 months.
wix wasn't sharing XP's filter and/or flow rate specs for a while, even though they did on their nonXP filters. For that reason alone i stopped using XP.
I've never bought into that XP hype. I think it's a filter with synthetic media made for synthetic oil AND the hyped extended oil change intervals that many people are touting. The regular WIX filters better than the XP. The XP just won't clog up on those ridiculous extended OCI's. I change my oil myself, so it's not an ordeal for me to change oil and filter every 5k miles or sooner if I feel like it. It's not environmentally unfriendly because I recycle my oil, and there are companies which can rerefine it.
Since oil and filter changes in your vehicle is the cheapest insurance you can buy I never scrimp on it. I do my own changes at 4-5K and use the best oil and filter I can find. Walmart usually has the best price on oil but the WIX filter I use comes from Amazon.
I have a Chevy Express 3500. Use only synthetic oil. Factory recommendation is an oil change every 10k miles. But I have the filter changed every 3-5k miles. Oil is good for longer, but filters dont last.
BEST! Best cut open comparison I have run into! Great Job and your explanations were spot on for the comparison details! It has been 2 years do you think the NAPA is still the best choice ?
I just looked at the numbers and figured it out and the Napa was 1.73" x 52"=89.96 square inches and the Wix XP was 2.12"x 46"=97.52 square inches.
Also left a part of my response meaning the more holes would cause the oil to flow through more paper element
@WhipCityWrencher -- 8:07 -- where you are pressing on the WIX XP filter -- is that cicular by-pass piece that you are pushing in made of some sort of plastic or is it steel?
@@lightningsmokerXx Plastic
Looks like you DID fix the video.
@@kimmillard9445 Yep, I learned how to put text in the video even after it had been uploaded.
I used to buy wix. But I've purchased a 2010 Honda civic, and live in a small town with a NAPA strore a block away , so a NAPA premium is what the mechanic down the street uses. So when I do my own oil changes, I just go down to NAPA, and purchased what he installed. Go in, have a relaxing, interesting conversation with folks who know you. I've watched this before. Good tech video.
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Wix makes napa filters. I used to go to the trade shows and the napa rep would turn his name tag over and it would show he was the wix's rep also. I ran wix on my fleet of 250 for 40+ years. Still using today.
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You are correct, that's one reason why I compared these two oil filters.
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Affinia Group makes WIX and NAPA filters and a host of other private labels as well like O'Reilly's Micro-Gard line. Both they and Purolator became part of MANN+Hummel in 2016. They all differ because of the design specs of the buyer. Purolator makes Motorcraft filters, but to Ford Engineering Department's specs. MANN+Hummel Tech Desk told me they would continue to operate the companies (Affinia (WIX), Purolator, and MANN+Hummel Filtration) as three separate and distinct units.
@@relectric69 Not any more what? Are MANN not operating them as 3 separate operations any longer? Is Affinia Group not making WIX filters anymore?
Mann- Hummel no longer makes Napa gold
Mann is now Chinese too
You should measure the number of square inches of media. The fact that one media is longer than the other is not the full picture of how much surface area there is to remove contaminants from the oil. With these two filters with identical media its almost worthless to only check the over length.
Your 100% right,
Sometimes it's an easy call, but this one, was close, the next time I make a comparison video with similar widths and lengths I'll try to remember to post the square inch of each filter. Because that you mentioned it, I just looked at the numbers and figured it out and the Napa was 1.73" x 52"=89.96 square inches and the Wix XP was 2.12"x 46"=97.52 square inches. Thanks, I can't fix the video but I'll pin this on Top so everyone will see it. Thanks Again.👍🙏😊
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Calculate the square inches. Wix is 1/4 inch wider than the Napa which is longer. Same amount of area?
And comparing media width means nothing unless all the filters are listed for the same application.
I'm often amazed by Napa's products. I purchased a new radiator for my one-ton diesel a few years ago. It was made in Jordan, but the quality was superb. I'd never seen anything made in Jordan before.
Hi Jim,
I never have either, I think the last one I bought was made in Canada, also made well.
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I have been using the Napa 41348 for years in my Toyota Tacoma and get them on sale every year for $7.50-$8 on sale. Will continue to use them with confidence. Awesome review thank you!
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Yep, that Platinum is a pretty good oil filter. Hope they stay the way they are.
Based on the changes I see no reason to panic, change buying habits.
When do they usually go on sale?
The differences between the two become more pronounced when running longer OCIs. Changing your oil more frequently (sooner) is the most important factor for the long-term life of your 🚗 engine. 😊
No, it's the most important factor because you throw your money at the oil companies.
300k on a ford escape 2.0. I change my oil twice a year. I don’t go by mileage. Spring and fall.
@@thatmechanicguy1993 Because you're a jerk.
Yes I have always loved Napa gold filters. Much better then the competition.
Wix makes NAPA filters with specific changes that NAPA request. The inner core has more a directional flow with multiple diagonal channels helping create a spinning effect increasing the oil flow thru the media. The spring is to guarantee the exact bypass pressure even under extreme oil temperatures. The anti-drain feature insures oil flow thru the guides an added feature that NAPA request. Yes, I have used NAPA oil filters for 30 plus years and cut open many a filter just to see what was in my oil on all the cars I've owned. I have never had an engine failure yet. I have purchased cars that used other brand filters and put NAPA filters on them and when I cut them open after the next oil change I could not believe what the NAPA filter had collected. Sold me on NAPA filters right then.
Yes, their filters are pretty good except for the Proselct, I'd stay away from that one.
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Thanks, any other findings.? About same for me,NAPA GOLDS, ETC. INTERESTINGLY, I SWITCHED TO OEM AIR FILTERS six++ years ago from K& N AIR ( never any issues , three vehicles: RECENTLY moved TO high dust area)::: pickedmupmNAPA **GOLD AIR 2015 A 4 CYL,& would *not fit without major finesse: returned to Napa)…… l stay GOLD NAPA, oil, lBOSS PUROLATOR
I always use napa golds
Mann and Hummel owns Wix and napa oil filters are manufactured in the South Carolina wix plant.
How do you know what NAPA specs for their filter manufacturers?
I've used multiple other filters Never NAPA and never had an engine failure either. That really isn't a valid factor in filters.
Nice informative video!
The platinum is what I’ve been using for years, I don’t use cheap oil filters!
I even go a step further by using the biggest oil filter that fits the application! More bounce to the ounce baby!!!
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So you like wasting your money. You know the old saying a fool and his money soon part. LOL Any oil filter will due just fine at regular change cycles. There is no rocket science to this. Just a lot of marketing hype and confusion.
@@jamesvw769 I use Wix XP filters and Mobil full synthetic at 10k mile oil changes. The oil comes out barely dirty on my fleet trucks that have been on synthetic for a while.
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I have a 1992 Toyota Ecab 4x4. 525k and the engine is about 80% according to my good friend who has been a mechanic for almost 40 years. I changed the oil regularly and NEVER used a cheap oil filter.
Right out of the gate, you had napa as the winner. They are both excellent products. If I were to not be able to get one, I would choose the other. They are both hands down better than the competition.
Yep, Both are good oil filters, Wix used to have a base-end bypass valve which I think is a better setup. This is an older video, I Now put in the Filters square inches. So I probably would have gone either way with these. Read the pinned comment.
Wix makes NAPA's filters. They will make them to a company's desired specs.
Both are great filters and you can’t go wrong with either one. However, by the time you pay for shipping from rock auto for the WIX, you can get the Napa for about the same price. I have been using the wix for years but will probably switch to Napa just for the convenience and I usually get my oil from Napa anyway.
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Or you can call around Autostores n find out who carries WIX..I have here in Riverside County..I preferred WIX..
Buy in BULK online ...not like your going to just up and stop needing them. Doesn't matter what filter you really use as long as you stick to 3k changes for 4-6cyl and up to 5k v8 servicing. Dont care what oil you use or filters stick with 3k/5k oil changes and you will have no problems getting 2-300k or much more.Have used delco/wix/motocraft/ST that end up with 200-300k without major issues on only conventional oil. Not a synthetic oil user other then burning it as black diesel fuel so I stick with conventional oils to lubricate.
XP is the best
O'Reilly's carries Wix filters
Both filters will do a good job of filtering oil.
Yeah but come on: it it were that simple most guys watching this would need to pay attention to their kids or exercise or something…
You can exhale if you go 500 miles over your drain interval. I buy nothing but NAPA Platinum filters.
@@stanleynowak9325- Our shop used NAPA Silvers and Purolator Techs for years with no comebacks. Use good oil and change it by the owner's manual and everything will be fine. Sometimes you have to think months not miles, especially in our area's climate.
Full area of the holes is what matters. Full area of the filter is what matters. As for the spring, if the leaf spring is placing greater final pressure, that’s what matters. And of course cost matters. Thanks for the video. I know, it’s old. And other commenters probably said the same things. But just in case they didn’t…. :-)
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I've never seen 2 filters that are more opposite well looking the same. Ya il take the Napa. 👍
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Thanks! I am really digging your filter comparisons. My favorite brand is Wix....so, very interested in those comparisons. Keep up the great work.
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Always good comparisons. For me, I use Wix standard filters with a quality synth oil, changed at 3-4k miles. Cheap insurance over hundreds of thousands of miles. No additives or high mileage oil needed.
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I use Wix for everything, I currently have over 200k on my 95' Lexus SC300. No oil usage or smoke, quiet valvetrain too. Most of the high performance cars I've seen, seem to run Wix too. They can handle high oil pressures better than Fram etc.
total waste of money. Do oil analysis. Definitely will show you are wasting money
@@02hreblue30 yes a waste. Not cheap insurance to throw away still great oil. Maybe at 7,500 it’s cheap insurance to throw away full synthetic oil. At 3,500 miles it’s expensive insurance.
@@new2000car Once you replace a few Nissan 5.6l short blocks, you won't even trust Amsoil to go the distance anymore. Ask me how I know.
From data I have gathered lately, I think both are a winner. I have just switched from FRAM to WIX, the metal end plates is what sold me over FRAM, which had hard cardboard on the ends. Chevy V8 filters don't have a bypass in the filter, just that metal stand you saw. This once ignored filter stuff is getting interesting.
Purolator is also nice
I’ve used both on my 2008 jeep JKU, and the reason I like the Napa better is because it let’s less oil drain out of the top of the engine when it’s off, so when I start it, with the NAPA filter I get less initial valve tap then I do with the Wix.
I've never experienced it myself, but I've heard of people changing filter brands and their engines were quieter on startup. Great!
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@@WhipCityWrencher I've had the start up noise on my Ford Ranger when I used a Bosch filter and a Mobil One filter. Also with a cheap one from Auto zone. The noise is from the oil draining through the anti drain back valve (in other words the valve leaked). It empties the filter (slowly, like a couple of hours), so when starting the engine bearings have not oil pressure until the filter fills up again. Like putting on an empty filter during an oil change. You will hear the engine rattle until oil pressure hits the bearings--not good! If you experience this, change to another filter ASAP.
@@tarquineous I kinda goofed on my previous comment, Ive had engine start-up noise in the past with oil filters also just never with the Wix filter is what I meant to say.
I agree if it makes noise switch brands.
3 years ago I had a NAPA Gold for my Jeep TJ 4.0 which had a failure of the drain back valve and its failure would drain all the oil from the engine back into the oil sump through the oil pump in about 3 days with resultant hydraulic lifter clatter. It is not good to have a dry start every time you start your engine as it is hard on bearings and camshaft. NAPA and Wix sent representatives to my house. I filled the oil filter with oil, put my thumb over the discharge hole, turned the filter on its side, and we watched oil drain out past the rubber valve. The Wix filter guy was amazed to see this. I gave him the filter after draining the oil and never heard back from Wix or NAPA. I am not a fan of horizontal oil filters like my '03 Jeep 4.0 or downward facing filters like my Toyota Tacoma 4.0 V-6 with its oil filter on top of the engine (really messy to change filters). The best design is the early Chevy small blocks that were under the engine block and you could completely fill them before installation.
ArnCital; Agree! To avoid the 'morning start rattle,' on my Crown Vic' (w/horizontal filter), I'm having to 'floor' the pedal (closes off the injectors) when turning engine over for a few seconds, to build-up oil pressure prior to starting.
Man I thought they were the same. Wow. Thanks for sharing this information and being honest.
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The Wix looks like it flows a lot better
I agree Pete, The Napa Platinum is the winner on this one!
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Wix makes/or provides all the NAPA filters
Yep, now owned by Mann and Hummel
That would be correct
Yes, I worked there for 13 years back when it was Wix/Dana. They had 4 plants in Gastonia NC. The Ozark plant is closed now.
Went to Napa today to get a Platinum filter. None in stock and was told they're doing away with that line (cheapin out like everyone else). I ordered the only 2 left in the area, to pick up when they get to the store.
I didn't know that.
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Excellent video! Very informative. After seeing these latest filters, I am now going for the Nappa Platinum @$10 a piece for my 2 hondas
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The Honda filters are like $6 at dealer. It’s a great filter, I used them for years.
Thank you for the comparison. Oil flow is most important and it looks like the Napa would allow more flow.
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I'm thinking that the XP has a leaf spring because of the taller filter media. If they used a (taller) coil spring in it, like in the NAPA, they'd also have to make the can taller. That would probably prevent it from fitting certain applications where space is limited. Either way, I always use NAPA or Wix filters, depending on which one is on sale at the time.
it is not a leaf spring but a coil spring
He pulled a leaf spring from the WIX can.
@@USMCghost So what? A clear understanding of the purpose OF the "spring" and of Pascal's law of hydraulics prove that either design is more than good enough to perform the function for why they're present in the first place!
I would be more interested in flow rate and actual filtering capability of large and small particles on a micron scale and accurate the by pass rating is to advertised rating.
The oil flow rate is probably about the same on each as Wix makes both of these filters, check out this link, says 7 to 9 gpm. www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=1863364
WIX 51515R ... The "only" oil filter going on my 1965 427 AC Cobra MKIII. Regular Blackstone Oil Analysis with the results I was expecting. Also, it is the only filter approved by my two Sons, who are the repository of knowledge for all things that matter on Planet Earth.
I use Napa Gold and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, at 5K intervals. Inspection of upper valve train area on ‘17 2.5L Camry revealed zero varnish buildup after 88K mikes. Oil always has a clear, transparent appearance. This a great combination and highly recommended.
Yes, that's A Great combination for sure!
Pennzoil is my favorite oil.
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@@WhipCityWrencher Pennzoil Platinum is good, but for just a little bit more, Ultra Platinum offers a superior additive package. Cold flow performance is good as Mobil 1, also.
@@ChicagoRob2 I agree, I have used both. I have to check it out, but I don't think my local Walmart has the Ultra in-store, have to order online.
@@WhipCityWrencher My Walmart didn’t, either. I ordered mine from Amazon.
Same combo I use on my outlander sport 217,000 miles no issues yet
It would be a good test possibility with a oil pressure gauge and test pressure passing through individual oil filters.
Yeah, then he'd have to heat the oil to 200°f operating temp, it would be a pain, but worth it.
Wix recently changed manufacturers. Noticed the same difference between two identical PN Wix XP filters, except one from 2020, the other from 2021. The 2020 is just like the Napa in your video; the 2021 is just like the Wix XP in your video. Called Wix questioning change and they confirmed manufacturer change. Presume Napa will change as well. Agree, prefer the old vs. the new. Thanks for the cut-up comparison.
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I hope Napa Platinums dont change.
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Did my oil change today, bought wix xp since thats what i have been useing for years. I notice the difference on the top holes on both filters. Decided to do some research if they changed their way of making the filter on the interior components.Wix got cheap, Need to find a new filter
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My dad was a NAPA jobber for 40 years. I’m glad I learned to not obsess over the number of holes in oil filter bases. This is classic YT mentality, clinging to meaningless differences to support video production and belong to a group. Either filter is fine. I’ve used both NAPA and Wix since the 60s, worn out many vehicles long before their engines developed any oil related issues.
A comparison of two filters does not compare the companies’ entire production, nor does it account for running production changes. We’ve all seen the disclaimers for years: “XX company reserves the right to change product specifications at any time....” Go buy two more and perhaps they’ll be different. Speaking of that, the last two x1358 and x7356 filters I bought no longer fit my filter wrench. So what. They changed them.
A video will be worth our time when it exposes a truly inferior product.
Speaking of those 40 years long ago, my dad once brought home a manufacturer’s cutaway display filter, probably from the 1950s. It contained a roll of cotton gauze bandage, like cheesecloth, about an inch thick. Makes an argument about pleats seem pretty silly.
I know you want to put TH-cam down and TH-camrs, but TH-cam provides a great service to everyone out there. TH-cam provides a means to put out videos so people can be entertained and also learn from them. For example, If you get a check engine light and the code reads po121 and you've never changed a TPS, look it up on TH-cam and there's probably a video on it, and so on. I also occasionally do repair videos.
Now as far as oil filters go, if there wasn't TH-cam then how would you ever know what was in all the different oil filters out there. At least you make a more informed decision on what kind of oil filter you want to put on your engine.
And if you think that all oil filters are the same, then you should be watching more TH-cam videos. Just like you stated about the cotton gauze filter, they are constantly changing.
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@@WhipCityWrencher agreed. I love these videos for entertainment and informational purposes.
What is the total surface area of the filter media for each? Length x width. I would give it to the one with more filter area but you don’t answer that….
Read the pinned comment, and I answer that question. This is an old video and I can't fix it.
11:00. I do NOT think either of these are a 21 micron anymore, if ever. One or the others sites showed 30 and 35. Thus I only used Gold/Regular Wix at 21 which Wix does show on their site still. Most long life filters(10K plus) do not filter as tight. Thus how they last longer.
At the time I made the video they showed the micron rating at the Napa website and at RockAuto. I now see they dont show anything. (it's happened to me before) They like to play the micron game. I may just stop giving out micron readings because of this.
@@WhipCityWrencher I called Wix once. They said 99% at 35. The theory is as it gets plugged up it filters finer. Yes. They all do. This seems standard for these long life 10K plus filters. I'd rather swap two Regular Wix/Napa Gold at 21 microns and still good for 10K. They are around 5 -6 bucks online or sale. I like clean oil. Most enthusiasts use Reg Wix or Napa Gold and it is crazy to go over 10K on any oil or filter.
Yup. I agree.
My take is the wix centeris larger with smaller holes with baffles. In the event of contaminants, you would think more holes wouldn't plug as easy and stabilize the return pulses more of a stable flow rather than heavy pulses the larger less holes would produce, plus the wix has baffles, probably to direct and stabilize oil flow. Always have used wix but like someone mentioned they're made in China, I'll probably go to fleetgard or someone like that.
Thanks for the tear down. On this comparison, my choice would come down to availability and price.
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A few years ago some people noticed that some used oil filters had tears or splits in the media/filter paper. Probably when large amounts of flow of cold oil attempt to flow through the media high pressure and force develop,also flexing with changes in pressure due to changing engine speed and shut down. Would get worse as dirt coats the media with continued use.
I think an attempt was made due to the reports of the tear problems to make the strength of the media greater by using the mesh interior.
I believe most of the tearing occurred when people ran a long mileage interval before changing the oil or filter and maybe cold oil and thick oil such as 20w-50 or SAE 30 were involved. I had a filter of one of the brands claimed to have a tear problem that I had used for a year with 5w-30 synthetic,less than 3,000 miles on it,I could not find any tears in the media when I cut the filter open,nor was there more than a minimal amount of what looked like varnish.
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A couple of years after M&H bought Wix, I started getting filters that would drain back overnight, causing noticeable lifter rattle on startup and delaying oil pressure by 4-5 seconds. The same issues I used to have (surprise surprise…) with Mann filters years ago. It’s a shame, but Wix is off my “usable” list. But Purolator is now back on ( especially the ‘Boss’ synthetic) since they changed their filter media assembly method after all the rips people weee finding in pleats near the seam a number of years ago.
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I like the Boss filter also, it's very well-made. I have used it in my vehicle. th-cam.com/video/WqXxIasAYMc/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
Been using Wix XP on synthetic blend oil for years. I have had no issues. I am rebuilding my Surburban 5.7. I have been measuring wear. The wear has been minimal and sludge is also minimal. Oil pressure is great on the wix. I won't be switching.
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Yea i was surprised about the Wix XP not having the wire-backed media as descripted on the box. Well the proof is in the pudding thank u for sharing the video it's very informative 👌
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Good demo. It seems the problem with all filter comparisons is one can never know if/when a vendor will decide to cheap out and change the design. Unless you cut your filter open, then put it back together before installation. Impractical. For now it’s NAPA. I’ve used K&N for several years, thinking their reputation should carry weight. Probably not.
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Why is it that whenever a design change in an oil filter occurs, we get so many people saying that it's because "they cheaped out !" or "we're being cheated" or some such nonsense.
Design change is inevitable -- it's called progress.
@@SlikLizrd When a design change results in a product which is clearly inferior to the pre-change version, you have to suspect the manufacturer is cutting corners. The oil filters in this review, when cut open clearly show some design changes which were not aimed at improving the product. Every business on the planet is constantly making every effort to contain costs of producing goods and services. We see it in many products, many industries. One ready example: a cereal box at the grocer which is a large size, but the net weight of the product inside the box has been reduced by a few ounces. You may not want to call that cheating but I believe there is an element of deception.
@@SlikLizrd Progress is when you make something better, not worse just to satisfy stockholders who only look at profits. In my opinion that is what is going on all around us. Just open up your eyes. Planned Obsolescence.
@@WhipCityWrencher Progress is made by moving FORWARD, just as WIX has done by getting rid of the Coil Spring and that damned Wire Mesh Screen.
Your OPINION that the WIX was made "worse just to satisfy stockholders who only look at profits" is not realistic.
As an actual stockholder, I can tell you that production methods and design changes are NOT discussed (or even consided) at the annual stockholder meetings.
AND, as someone whose career has been in manufacturing/production for several decades (now retired ), I can tell you with absolute certainty that nobody calls up the stockholders to ask if a design change is approved. No one. Ever.
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Been runnin' XP for a while now - Have Zero issues switchin' over to Platinum just to see if there are any REAL differences in the Two.
Wow. Wix-XP fan here. Never thought of NAPA. Must admit, NAPA for the win in this comparison.
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Wix is now owned by Mann+Hummel who also owns Purolator. The Wix XP looks like a repackaged Purolator BOSS filter - including the stamped spring and center tube design. The NAPA Platinum is also made by WIX (used to be same as XP), but still retains the coil spring and spiral center tube. What you may be looking at is an older NAPA filter from inventory (still using the old XP design). I'm hoping the commonality of design is not Mann+Hummel migrating Wix filters to essentially be Purolators for cost reasons. That would be very disappointing as I'd now have to start looing at Baldwin or Fleetgard...
I'm waiting a while to make sure I get some new inventory and do some more comparisons.
On the nose. The new xp It is a repackaged purolator boss.
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That's somewhat sad. All these conglomerates gobbling up competitors.
As the movie said: "All restaurants are now Taco Bell's."
If the competition is the better product buy them.
I'd be qurious to see the difference between the napa gold and the napa platinum filters. I always buy the napa gold, didn't realize the have a platinum. Think I paid about 11 bucks for it too. Seemed too high, but?
Hi dan,
I'll put that comparison on my to-do list.
The filter is small to start with, by using a leaf spring it you get more height of filter! Thus a coil spring would not fit !
Definitely like the napa better. A little suprised they aren't the same. Always thought they were. Good thing is I bought 5 napa platinum filters on that sale you told us about. Glad I did. Thanks for the review 👍👍👍
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It looks like Mann and Hummel are changing the Wix XP oil filters.
@@WhipCityWrencher Check back on a Plat. in 6 months, brand new stock, bet money same as XP in video.
@@faxmen09 I will, but I hope they don't change the Platinums.
I was going to get Napa platinum on sale but since I don't know what all the changes are I went and bought a Purolator Boss again.
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I used to be all for NAPA until I saw the box at the counter for the exact same one I took off with a stamp- made in the USA. For the same filter- the new one was stamp- made in China. You have to watch what you are getting.
Thank you for this comparison Sir.
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Good job! I was really impressed how you handled the suggestion about filter area. That lets us know you want to learn and continue to improve your videos giving us valuable information to help make informed decisions.
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I like the wix. They have a nice washing machine style centrifugal force to run oil all the way up, and certain it all gets filtered, instead of just pouring in the holes. Both seem very good 👍. I'll go with Wix for the corvette
That’s not how it works, the oil goes into the little holes to the outside of the filter then into the middle and up
@@tylerwalk7699 yeah, I mean up. It's still going to have a vacuum pull ♻️
Would measure the filter media and calculate which has the greater filter area?
The Napa is 1.73" x 52"=89.96 square inches and the Wix XP is 2.12"x 46"=97.52 square inches
Thank you that's very interesting but I like the Napa with the holes in more paper so a bigger fold so more oil will get in thanks that's my opinion
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Wix all the way. How about measuring the pleat surface area and the flow?
If a filter looks close can I use it even if it is wrong part number?????
Sometimes you can, But even if it has the correct threads it may not be good for your engine. You want to be careful as some of the specs may be totally off, such as a bypass valve could have a different setting or not have one at all. Most of the time it's best to use the correct filter for your vehicle. What two filters are we talking about?
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@@Rick-nk7pm Click on the link and see if this is the one, if it is and you have the room The 7313 is a little longer www.fram.com/parts-search/?ref=NoIg5gpgdhBOCGAbEAaKBXRiUgEwAYBGAdlRAAUB5AGQEEAlASQGUzmAHAe1gBcBnALbwoAAgCsxfChEAVTulgBLKGGnNyZMQDZiAY11lynAO5wRHbvzK0ssuAmUiAahAAWi3YgggAukA
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I was using NAPA gold filters, but they kept leaking down, so I went back to Motorcraft.
How about the bypass pressure on the Platinum, it’s a huge thing for Subaru vehicles. Thank you
They are probably about the same
There is a small place selling Napa in Guatemala, I will check the Napa filter. But very much the same. I had no problems with Wix filters for 15 years
Wix was bought out by Mann and Hummel, they just recently started to change their oil filters, perhaps not all of them yet.
It would be an interesting data set to see the difference in area of the holes in the base base plates and in the cores, this will give you an idea on flow rates.
Also the more pleats=more wasted surface area at the tips, couple this with having smaller pleats and you will drastically reduce the flow rate through the filter media.
Whatever the "flow rate", neither filter can flow more than the inner area of the engine block mounting stud. I'll bet money both filters total hole inlet area at least equal to, more likely more than, inner area engine block mounting stud.
The inlet holes on the WIX are slightly larger, so the flow rate is likely equal.
Yes I agree. Square inches of filter media and the actual media itself are the most important structures of an oil filter. This and and flow rate which correlate to larger and more holes in a heavier base plate. I doubt the bypass ever comes into play during normal driving
Beliving the area behind the end flanges doesn't participate in filtration "is wasted" is wrong. The part of a paper towel that doesn't directly contact a water spot can absorb water because capillary action/surface tension moves the liquid along the surface of the fibers The same thing happens with oil in a filter. The oil that travels to the end cap and back around the flange to exit travels a longer path that makes it more likely to be cleaned.
Thank you for this video. My wife's car takes these filters and I have been using the WIX XP on it sense we bought it. I might still go with WIX XP, but I am going to do some more research to see if I can find what other filters meant for that car are like.
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Please see my post before changing filters.
WHat's the micron rating on the boxes? That's key as these are nanofiber. W/o an electron microscope you can't really tell much but compare these to the cellulose. Also that nylon screen is a plus as there are no resins in the media it flows better at all temperatures so that screen just keeps the material from coming apart w/o flow limiting resins all other filters use.
Nothing on the boxes as far as micron ratings.
Most surprised both filters aren't identical. Explanation, Wix (M&H) has been making some changes in construction recently. The Platinum shown is the older Wix XP construction, spacer, coil compression spring & adbv prove. The XP being very new stock shows the changes especially leaf spring, 'possibly' looks to be Purolator (also M&H) made. Also media backing on BOTH as noted, now very similar to Boss. XP/Plat used to have black mesh. Many Wix purists will get upset at changes, but most filters use a flat spring and many use louvers, both work well. Check the Napa Plat. in a few months, new stock, bet is it will be identical to XP in video. Changes in XP likely cost saving directed by Mann. Wonder if XP still made in Gastonia, NC or Puro plant Fayetteville NC. Thanks for vid.
Thanks…. Oddly interesting….. actually GOLD NAPA MY go to……..
Your probably right, they'll make them both the same, I hope not, I'd rather have a choice.
@@WhipCityWrencher I hear you, but with the exception of name on label, Wix labeled and Napa Gold, newish XP and Platinum always the same. With M&H calling the shots anything possible but I'd be very surprised if Platinum stays same as video.
@@opera93 "actually GOLD NAPA MY go to…….." Mine too. Can get them on special @ local Napa couple times a year. As long as the Napa Gold doesn't go the Puro media tear route, I'm not put off with the changes in construction.
I recently ordered a case of Wix 57055 filters, one was the style like the Platinum in this video while all others were the Purolated version like the XP in the video. I don't like the changes.
my 2014 yukon has 205,000 I use AC filter and walmart syn every 8,000, and uses no oil and no problems
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That's great, thanks for sharing!
@@WhipCityWrencher I have found that spark plugs in my yukon only last 50,000 then I get a cyl misfire code
Very expensive modern vehicles don’t even have metal caps and aren’t in cans any more. They are inside a cylinder on top of the engine. Unscrew the cap slide out the filter replace with new gasket and done.
True, Cartridge oil filters. Some Vehicles have them, some don't. They've been around for a while now, a friends 2007 Saturn Ion that I do oil changes on, has a cartridge oil filter.
Could be a difference of production runs and design changes at manufacturer. An analysis of their filtering capabilities would be useful. In any event, thanks for the video!!
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I'd buy the NAPA for the way bigger holes in the center column, better flow as the oil ages and thickens up.
Sign me up for the wix. Thanks for the review....
The WIX XP and the microguard sold at O'Reilly look identical I have never done this with them. I buy hundreds of WIX filters every year
The Wix Xp, Microgard, and the Microgard Select are 3 different-looking filters. Check out these videos th-cam.com/video/tMo3P6y_3Xg/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher th-cam.com/video/MDg7sPH6Uv4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
Calculate the square inches of the filter media
I did, at the 11:39 mark in the video.
Yup, measure square inch of material, not length. Or width. Alone they mean nothing.
WIX: 97.06 square inches (46" long x 2.11" tall); NAPA: 91.52 square inches (52" long x 1.76" tall)
It's a shame you can't do a flow test as well, after all the faster the flow the better for the engine !
I think most of the oil flow would depend on how much your engine oil pump will pump.
@@WhipCityWrencher Yes of course, but if you were testing each one under the same pressure and conditions,and the same equipment you used for the test..... yes ? then you could see under the same conditions which allows the best flow while also filtering efficiency ! yes it would be difficult to set up, but very relevant test for why we buy them !
Brand Ranks has a video that demonstrates the filtration of the filters, and I'd have to believe that how a filter performs is more important than its numerical physical characteristics.
Says the wix xp filters 35 microns rating....that's good or 20 is better??
I'd say both of these filters in the video are equal in micron rating, 20 microns is better though.
Both will do a good job filtering oil , The main takeaway.. will be the NAPA branded filter probably has the better longevity (ie Higher mileage ) between oil changes for the lazy non-car people out there.. Me? I will continue to change my oil every 5000 miles regardless of which filter I use.
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@@WhipCityWrencher David’s not to bright, but he will spend the extra money to get you to believe he is.
you need to check the diameter of the holes as well, there may be 1 fewer on the Wix but the Napa are smaller so the volume of oil that passes is probably the same, your big difference is that spring. still pretty much the same filter, you can pick up the wix at O'Rielly auto as well and it is priced about the same as the NAPA. I order my Wix filters from RockAuto and buy multiples to reduce shipping cost on each. Hopefully Rock figures out the shipping issue and better controls that cost, splitting shipments across warehouses (and it will change when you try to choose parts to reduce shipments) drives me crazy!
I live and breathe with WIX XP filters. I owned a NAPA AutoCare Center and the only filters I stocked were NAPA Gold and Silver (for free oil changes that we offered).
Wow I would of thought both filters be identical lol!!
Think ill now use napa filters
Per a WIX tech rep, the XP is not their “best” filter. It is a purpose built filter just like their racing filters and their XD diesel engine filters. The XP is intended for longer service intervals and better compatibility with synthetic oils. The standard filter is still WIX’s best automotive filter for the actual job of filtering oil. Also, filters with a bypass in the media cartridge don’t require a spring. That spring is what WIX uses to allow standard filters to bypass that don’t have an integral media bypass. Both of these are very good filters as are some other house brands that WIX/Mann/Hummel make for some other retailers.
Which ones are the white filters? I think they have mgl on some of them
Thank you, I stay with NAPA..
At what point does any of this make any difference if the engine oil and filter are changed at the manufacturers specified intervals.
It is also my understanding that Wix makes Napa and Fleetguard filters anyway.
Napa Filters not Fleetguard.
I run wix but go to nappa if I can't find the wix. I had a wix rep say they make nappa's filter
Yep, the Wix rep is correct.
Run either of them depends which is in stock local...
I’ve been using Wix XP oil filters on my 2019 Roush F-150 since I bought it. But, after watching your enlightening video, I think I’ll be swapping over to the Purolator Boss oil filter now. Thanks!
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I will take the wix filter more square inches of media leaf spring Or coil spring no difference but the big difference to me is half the price and will do the job just fine
@@frankpaglianite4158 Actually, the Wix XP is $11.18 on Amazon and the Purolator Boss is $11.19 on Amazon. And, the filtering capability is stronger with the Purolator Boss - 99+% at 20 microns.
@@Brian_195 Use tje Gold or regular Wix. 4.50 of you buy 3 or more. 21 micron per NapaOnline
I like the large holes on the inside vs those smaller louvers. It seems like it would be more restrictive
Great video. I’d take the Napa premium
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Same here
Is the Napa filter made in the USA like the WIX filter is?
Both of these filters are made in the USA 2:34
This video is over a year old, so they may be made in Mexico now. You'll have to check the filter itself out before you buy and look at the sticker on the can.
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@@WhipCityWrencher Thank you my man, you are great and I watch your content often.
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Very cool, sir! I loved it, very analytical I think that you could add perhaps a flow check? But again very comprehensive and I thank you because I am going to swap to Napa! I love the overall physical design, and the thinking that went into the NAPA oil filter..😊
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Very helpful video, thanks!
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Would you like a used NAPA platinum 41348 to open and inspect? Took one off yesterday. It has a coil spring and holes in the center tube. But I have two more which I have not yet used and they have louvres, not holes. All purchased within the past 15 months.
Maybe Wix switched to the leaf spring to provide more room in the can for a larger filter element?
Thank you for the video on the Napa platinum and the wix XP, what is the micron rating on those filters?
I think they are both a nominal 21
wix wasn't sharing XP's filter and/or flow rate specs for a while, even though they did on their nonXP filters. For that reason alone i stopped using XP.
@Cobra Kai does that coincide with the wix buyout?
I've never bought into that XP hype. I think it's a filter with synthetic media made for synthetic oil AND the hyped extended oil change intervals that many people are touting. The regular WIX filters better than the XP. The XP just won't clog up on those ridiculous extended OCI's.
I change my oil myself, so it's not an ordeal for me to change oil and filter every 5k miles or sooner if I feel like it. It's not environmentally unfriendly because I recycle my oil, and there are companies which can rerefine it.
Since oil and filter changes in your vehicle is the cheapest insurance you can buy I never scrimp on it. I do my own changes at 4-5K and use the best oil and filter I can find. Walmart usually has the best price on oil but the WIX filter I use comes from Amazon.
I have a Chevy Express 3500. Use only synthetic oil. Factory recommendation is an oil change every 10k miles. But I have the filter changed every 3-5k miles. Oil is good for longer, but filters dont last.
I think 5k is a good OCI.
BEST! Best cut open comparison I have run into! Great Job and your explanations were spot on for the comparison details! It has been 2 years do you think the NAPA is still the best choice ?
Yes, I think it's still a very good filter. Lately, though I've been using the Purolator Boss oil filters. I think they have a better micron rating.
May I suggest doing a flow comparison to see which is better ?
I have never seen it done before ?
Good comparison. I use WIX in my Caravan and Motorcraft in the Mustang.
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