I can't believe what is inside Mobil1 oil filters
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- Proof Mobil1 isn't the only oil filter you need to see cut open but also the fram tough guard oil filter even K&N oil filter in comparison to supertech oil filter. We even review Fram ultra synthetic vs wix xp. Best oil filter mannol?
NO SAFE oil filters anymore, today on Nates interactive auto we show the engine oil filters that are supposed to be known for high quality. Unfortunately that is easier said as we show why opening The Mobil1 extended performance motor oil filter. Next Fram ultra synthetic oil filter. Even more unbelievable The wix xp extended performance. with today's extended drain intervals oil filtration is more important than ever. Do not use fram filters? you decide for yourself. oil filter review with royal purple, amsoil and many other brands you must know about like super tech oil filter. best oil filter or oil filter comparison you decide like purolator oil filter and synthetic oil filter. good oil filters such as k&n oil filter also tested napa oil filter plus stp oil filter. we not only find the best but worst oil filter. check bosch oil filter review.who makes the best oil filter,find worlds best oil filter.
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I own a Fiat so there’s no need to change the oil filter or engine oil. The car will break down before that happens.
I'm still driving the Ford pickup by drove in here 47 years ago and now I can't buy conventional oil for it anymore!!!#!!!!
LMAO!
"You know what ford stands for, don't ya? It stands for Fix It Again Tony"
@@DAKODA65 and on top of all that it was made in America!
lol, I spit out my coffee. nice one.
I'm more amazed that the oil filter section of your Walmart is organized and that the filter finder computer hasn't been completely vandalized
lololol
All apart of living in a decent area
I agree!!!
I had never even seen one of those filter finder computers until this video! Really something neat.
Low minority area
As a aviation technician, we are required to pull apart every oil filter whenever we do an oil change on an airplane. I can tell you by far Mobil1 is the best oil filter I've ever used in my 35yrs of driving. It's all metal, No Plastic. I've used K&N, Super tech, WIX and others. I would never touch a Fram filter ever again. With the flimsy inner structure and plastic.
Same here. I change it every 3000 even though it protects for 20,000
Fram ultra-synthetic is the best.
Same , Mobile One always for my Chevys
I really don't think it makes much difference which filter you use as long as you change your oil and filter regularly.
I honestly don't know of anyone that has had engine failure from a bad oil filter.
@@noneyabusiness1161 I know of three engines that have been destroyed in the last three years due to fram filter failure
The hole on the K&N is for safety wire. Safety wire is used to prevent the oil filter from ever backing out. It is required in aviation and in many racing rulebooks.
Don't forget the safety wire plyers, I used them to fellow aviator lol
The harder bypass on the Mobil1 filter makes sure your oil is filtered at higher pressures. Having the oil filtered is extremely vital for engine longevity.
If you leave the old gasket on your car it's your fault because oil change 101 is to wipe clean the surface on the engine.
What modern cars oil filter mates directly on to a surface of the engine
I've also never in my life seen an oil filter gasket stick.
@@bonehead8407 literally every one unless the vehicle has an oil filter relocation kit (aftermarket or factory), which the relocation kit mounts to the block in the same place the oil filter would go. It also has the same rubber seal ring that the oil filters have. The only exception are the drop-in style cartridge filters as they have no metal body nor threading, and are also a garbage design as the filter isn't contained at all and if anything happens it will distribute filter material through your engine.
@@wesd3370 I've seen in multiple times
Happened to me ... oooh lots of oil when crank my engine 😂 .... then I learned .. then again there was no youtube 30 years ago
IMPORTANT:
2003 Silverado 2500HD 8.1L engine. I have had this truck for 14 years. The oil pressure always went low at idle and increased with RPM's. I asked many mechanics and researched online to try and find out why with no explanation.
Two years ago I got the deal/sale on five gallons of oil and a filter at Advanced Auto. I noticed that the oil pressure no longer dropped low at idle and wondered what changed. The filter in the deal is a Mobile One Filter and now that I see your video I believe the fewer holes in the Mobile One Filter and the harder to open valve is what fixed the problem. I believe the Mobile One Filter must allow for more consistent pressure in my engine. Thank you for putting my mind at rest by explaining this with your tear down and thanks to Mobile One for having the only filter that does this.
After working on diesels in the logging industry for 30 years I have seen where Wix performs much better in harsh conditions. We weigh the filters before install (full of oil) and when we pull them off. Wix has always had the biggest gain in weight. However, changing your oil on time and using a high quality oil is far more important than the filter.
I worked in engine rebuild shop for US Army, diesel and multi fuel, we used WIX.
@@FeWolf military uses cheapest not best.
@@ips7125 we used WIX and fram
@@ips7125 WIX is really good tho
I got a 2000 7.3 powerstroke that has 800,000 miles on it. I've always used best oil on my baby and treated her well. And never used nothing but fram oil filter.
It would be valuable to have compared against an OEM filter.
OEM is the same.
I’ve changed a shitload of Mitsubishi lash adjusters back in the 90’s because of aftermarket filters. None from those who used a factory filter. Pay the extra few bucks and get a proper factory filter.
@@blackhawk7r221 On that note, it's worth looking up who made the OEM filter. It's usually not the vehicle manufacturer.
Lets also not forget the allmighty AmsOil filter! does the premium price mean a premium product?
OE don't manufacture filters spark plugs or most electrical components
Who the hell in their right mind would drive 20,000 miles with out changing the oil filter.
AMSOIL users do it all the time...
I used to work at a dealership and saw one that gout a oil change once a year and she had around 20000 km 12500 miles, it was a cartridge filter and we had to pick chunks out and that was a common thing some people just don't care (also still had the ac delco filter and the paint for the drain plug)
20k in between intervals?--= foolishness
I change my oil every year!!!! I only drive my car about 100 - 120 miles per year!!!!
@@TheNuklearbandit I've gone 12500 on amsoil lab tests say still perfect
I have been using Fram filters, for years, never had a problem with them!
I used to work in a factory where we made filters like these but for aircraft,tanks and submarines, those actual filter assembly’s you are holding are called “filter elements” and the steel caps are called “end caps” Most of the ones I worked with were aluminum rather than steel. I’m guessing the markings are used to identify if I process had been completed, like a treatment or curing. I worked with aircraft filters and I proceeded filters though chemicals and had to mark mine as such showing if my process was completed. It helps on the production floor to make sure everything is done correctly.
That mobil 1 filter having the relief valve integrated into element clearly allowed the element to be taller than all the rest and also noticing the inside holes looking like they may cause the oil to swurl around the element. I'd say just on face value the mobil 1 wins hands down on them 2 factors alone.
Mobil has gone down hill. I been using penzoil and lifter tick went away that I had with mobil 1
Mobil burns now. I switched over to Eneos. Crazy different results. Looks like the day I bought it
@@PaleoVirus what does oil or filter have to do with what your car looks like,not being caddy I'm just wondering what you mean by that
@@ryanwills9757 I was referring to my oil performance. It drains clear instead of black.
@@PaleoVirus if your oil drains clear you aren’t driving your car.
i never had a problem with any of them, because i actually change my oil on time.
Yes a problem that you know about. But the long term for a car is different.
Yeah you could almost get any car or truck to run forever if you keep up on routine maintenance with minor fixes depending on the brand
I like to a oil primer.. It flows the oil before you start.. Help alot get oil back up in the bearing surface.
Filter is a filter, Most filter companies will warrant engine failure if proven to be caused by there product 🤣 good luck with that.. I think you will see more paper inserts instead of spin on's as more environmental friendly.
@@ethanpresley9423 that's not true for cars made after 2012 . The quality is way lower than it used to be on most brands . That applies to engines and c.v.t. transmissions.
I've used mobil1 oil filters in my cars well over a decade now both in n/a and boosted applications both driven through the year. I live in Canada and the place I live the average winter temp is easily -20 to -25 with Temps dipping to the -50s regularly and I've never had an issue ever. I regularly cut my filters after I've removed them and never found any issues with using them and that's why I've stuck with them for so long and I trust it with my 25k engine build in my Stagea.
Thanks your comment was valuable to me; one can't always rely on TH-camrs even though they mean well so I'll use mobile 1 on my Chevy Express 1500 V6 4.3 engine thanks experience is always key 🗝️
Ah man, I love a good Stagea, it's the best of both worlds, essentially a GTR and wagon combination
I have always used the cheapest oil and filters, changing both about every 7000 to 10,000 miles. I drive my cars until they rust out. I am in the NE where temps run from -20 to 90 degrees F. Have owned cars since 1972. 200,000+ miles on all of them. Never once had an engine issue. Hondas and Toyotas.
Shouldn't torture the Stagea in the harsh Canadian winter.
Thank you for posting this . Very good video this is. I've never seen what's inside during 25 years of mechanic career so this is something to me.
Job well done ! 👍
The bypass valve is not designed for Cold temperature, it is designed to supply oil to engine bearing in case of a clogged oil filter, exactly as the name suggests to bypass the valve when the pressure exceed a specific value.
They can also bypass in cold temps when oil is thick causing too much resistance for the oil to pass through the filter media.
...for the last 30 years you have not put anything but fully synthetic oil to a Toyota engine on cars...no problems when you change it on time...
Most wide open throttle events also bypass the filter
What most dont realize is during the restriction of flow through the cartridge the cartridge media moves up and down inside the case and that opens and closes the bypass and when the filter canister bypasses the oil isnt being filtered at all so everything bad being picked up by the pump goes directly into the oil passages and through the bearings...
@@scorpioassmodeusgtx1811 Whether the oil is synthetic or not is of no concern about cold oil. That's all covered under the API specs. A 10W synthetic has the same viscosity and a non-synthetic 10W
Micron rating and size of the micron particles is also important in determining the dirt that gets through
Micron is the unit of measure. Micron is 1 millionth of a meter. ( 0.0000001) ( 1/1,000,000 meter)
Huge!!!!
@@t28mech Filters classify efficiency in micron. You might see it listed as Beta values if you look up filter specs. Mike D is correct in stating that Micron Rating is the way to classify filter performance quality. It is defined in the SAE and ISO test specifications for filters.
@@t28mech Just fyi, you got one too many zeros there. Micrometers (microns) are 1x10^-6 meters so 0.000001.
Smaller the microns the sooner filter goes into bypass. Both cold and hot/rpm runs.
Cleaner oil but needs to be changed regularly.
Cut the metal caps off the filter pleats, stretch out the filter media and measure the flattened out length. The longer the media the more filtration capacity. Also, count the number of pleats and also shine a light through the media (unused of course) and see if some let more light through than others. All of those will give you clues about the quality of the filter media.
I can appreciate this video however, if the bypass valve is too easily opened then higher oil pressure could allow the oil to bypass under normal driving, negating the filtering effect of the filter. bypass valves should be hard to open by hand when considering the oil pressures in modern engines, typically no lower than 40psi. I love the comparisons though, but some of the information provided is very misleading.
Keep in mind, that the 40 PSI is the difference across the oil pump. The filter should never ever drop that much pressure.
I bought a cheap Fram oil filter and it's going to last forever. I will never have to change it and my motor will be unaffected. I'm using it as a paperweight on the dashboard of my electric vehicle.
@@Tron-Jockey you will have to spend $15 to $20 thousand on a replacement battery in 6-8 years, though... Not a deal breaker, but something to keep in mind.
@@gizmoguyar more like 3-4 years when battery pack becomes an issue!
@@Tron-Jockey you’ll have 1000lbs of lithium paperweight soon enough
I’m 74 years old, am still doing my own oil changes every 5000 miles. I’ve used all these filters .... cheapest to most expensive. Have never had an engine or filter problem.
The key is doing it often. In the end of the day even the worst filter meets oems specs.
I changed the oil in my wife's 07 Yaris from first day bought new to last year when she traded her in. Used only Supertech Synthetic Oil and oil filter every 3500 miles. No issue. Traded her in with 237K on the dial after 16 years of ownership.
Change the oil. No damn problem. Toyota is indestructible anyway.
I just switched to Kirkland oil. I'm sick of paying for the mobil 1 name. I use a quality filter and change it on time. No issues!!
What about the car?
@@andrewcox7179 We bumped to 10.50 a quart. It's really pissing off the guys with those 5.0 Ford f150s.
I’ve owned 2 Yaris’s
300,00 you could run vegetable oil in them and they would forever. Best economy hands down
I have to say the Mobil 1 oil used with the Mobil 1 filter is probably a very good match. Unlike the other filters using regular oil, the Mobil 1 flows quite well at very cold temperatures. It got down to -20 one night in Minneapolis where my wife worked. She had a twenty year old car using Mobil 1 and it was the only car in the lot that started.
What does oil have to do with a car starting?🙃
@@NiNjaTurtLe697 At -20F regular 30 weight oil is like peanut butter. It doesn’t flow and impedes the starter motor from turning over the engine. Mobil 1 oil still flows at -20F.
@@anthonykeller5120 You should be using a multi weight oil in super cold climates (such as a 0-30w or 5-30w), even on older cars. Straight 30w in really cold climates causes severe engine wear on startup as it wont flow well until the engine heats up.
Over the weekend I saw that Mobile 1 oil would give a discount if yo bought a filter with the oil. When I got to the register, they charged me full price, when I asked why they said that Mobile 1 filters are not eligible to get a discount with Mobile 1 oil.
@@NiNjaTurtLe697 It doesn't have anything to do with oil. Only if you use cheap non synthetic oil. It get like corn syrup when it's cold. Where I live -20 is normal winter temperature and I never had any trouble to start my cars.
This was a very well laid out and educational video. It just happened across my recommendations and I figured I'd watch it out of curiosity, and I actually learned something.
The hole in the nut on top of the K&N is for Motorsport and/or aviation use.
It’s not to keep it from falling onto the ground if it comes off though. You’re supposed to use a wire twisting tool to put tension on it in the clockwise direction. This keeps it from coming loose in high heat or altitude.
Yeah when I take my Honda 2012 Accord off traction control so I can get off the ground and take a good ol’ flight above the Pacific Ocean , these k&n filters never came loose. I’ve had issues with the rest. Almost got taken out by a shark when I lost oil pressure with that orange can of death oil filter. Never again.
@@rockbottomliving bruh 😂😂😂😂😂
@@rockbottomliving 😂 You definitely should be using a different filter.
As I understand it’s high rpm and vibration like from solid motor mounts that will spin a filter off
@@orbitaljellyfish808 I didn’t think they used filters on race cars.😎
I would never go 20k on oil and oil filter Never. Never. Never ...
I did once, using amsoil signature oil and filter. Sent a oil sample to Blackstone and the report said oil look the same as oil wich had only 5k 2010 rx450h 55k miles then 165k miles now, no issues.
Went back to mobile 1 just because easy to find.
20k on oil, i would'nt do. 20k on a good overbuilt filter like the Fram Ultra i do since day 1 on my Civic Si.. 271k miles later it still runs like a charm.
@@semiauto3148 i meant an overbuilt filter like the Fram Ultra. I cut open mine once in a while after 2 OCI and they always look good. No collapsed media because of the steel wire mesh that keeps the pleats nice and that bypass valve always looks fine. When you have them at a discount price, they are a great filter.
@@marc-oliviercabot3380 oh ok. I couldn’t make that word out. Sorry. I don’t use fram. I own a G M truck. So I use their brand filters
i was in europe in 2011 i rented a toyota diesel yaris and down there they change oil after about 25000 kil.i checked oil before start up man that oil was black. i panicked guy tells me you north americans change oil to often.
One item you haven’t covered, the surface area of the filter media. Very important to know, more filter media usually means more filter life.
Great review, thanks.
Yep I was waiting on a cut apart of the paper
What I seen in other videos was frame wasn’t half as much as the others once unfolded
Good video Nate. In the future the next time you do a comparison video it might help if you use a comparison chart towards the end listing all the features side by side of each product . It helps you and the viewer to make a better determination of which is the better product.
I agree I’m still kind of confused on which one’s are better! Otherwise it was a great video.
Or at least an excel spreadsheet
What a cool collection of suppressors
nah, trickflow fuel filters work the best!
@@user-it4dq9dj9q Maglight and freezeplugs anyone? I enjoy mine...
Imma try all these ideas when I move to Wyoming.
Don't forget the potato!
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The hole on the K&N filter is for safety wiring it in place to prevent it from unscrewing while in use. Safety wiring fasteners is a common practice in airplanes. Also used on 2 pc brake rotors. Wiring a filter in place is normally done on race cars to prevent the filter from backing off during high rpm engine vibration.
I keep a roll of stainless steel safety wire in my toolbox, strong and has a multitude of uses.
Last I bought was at Harbor Freight.
@@jeffreydevoti7000 oh my God NO!! Not Harbor Freight safety wire!!! You're going to die!!!
It HAS to be SNAP-ON safety wire or it's no good.
🤣
@@jimjones8428 actually American made name brand.
The first safety wire I bought was from J.C. Whitney about 30 years ago. They need to bring back printed catalog. 😕
Just get your safety wire from aircraft spruce it is cheaper and held to higher aviation standards
Lockwire.... We used them allot in the navy...
I appreciate the amount of work that went into your video . It was informative and could very well save someone a lot of money on an engine .
If I recall on another filter teardown, the Fram Orange vs Tough Guard (silver) is the amount of filter medium. If you take the medium out and measure it there's usually some amount more, which allows the filter to capture a larger quantity of particulate than the lesser. I've never had issues with the silver FRAM filters, but I change religiously at 3000 miles. If I wanted to push it to 5k or 10k (absurd IMO) I'd certainly use a top shelf filter.
My dad has used the "orange can of death" for at least 25 years and he has never had a problem. But like you said oil gets changed at 3000 miles. So I wonder if it matters much when you are changing that often.
I’ve used Mobil 1 oil and filter for years in temps up to -40 degrees and have never had a problem.
I switched to mobil1 10-40 from rotella 10-30 for my drag bike. Broke a connecting rod as soon as i switched
@@jimholesaw6597 I doubt the oil had anything to do w a broken rod. Hence the word DRAG in that sentence. Race car or care bikes break all the time. Its the nature of the beast. I'm thinking it was just a coincidence sir. Ive use mobil 1 in all our cars ( even the race car) filter and oil and nothing bad here.
My filter exploded after watching this video
I have seen presentations critical of the Mobil 1 filters. They cut them open and show a dirty, black build up of muck. This implies poor oil changing habits and possibly filters not being replaced with each oil change. Internally, before use, they are built well. The Mobil 1 filter is fine. Some of the others look poorly constructed internally. Why would Mobil oil company build a crummy, cheap oil filter? For what reason?
@@jimholesaw6597 And you blame that on the oil how??
You might want to measure the pressure it takes to open those valves, then cross reference it with operating oil pressures in the engine. pending that result we really can't say which is too stiff or too soft. You pressing down with your fingers aint exactly telling us much.
You might also want to tell us how much filter media is in each filter, the amount of surface area overall would be a way to determine how much oil can be filtered at one time. It could also play a factor in the length of time the filter media can filter before clogging. Along with the filter media material, and how that media performs at operating temp. Things change at 200° ya know. Good luck man, good channel 👍
Honestly I love using the Mobile 1 filter paired with Valvoline high mileage synthetic blend oil. This setup has never gave me any issues in any of my vehicles, but everyone has their own ideal setup that works for them.
Why don't you also use the Mobil 1 oil ?
I'll only use valvoline if Mobil 1 ran out at the stores
Pennzoil ultra platinum
Thanks for the nice review. I would recommend, when comparing oil filters, one to the other, you should hold both items you are comparing. In the video you discussed the internal materials of the Super Tech filter being very much like the K&N filter. But, in your right hand you were holding the frame synthetic filter. It was a bit difficult to follow what you were comparing as you were not discussing the frame synthetic filter, which you were holding, at the time.
I was totally confused.
@@jeffd8597 Me too
I worked for Champion Laboratory in Albion Illinois for 34 years. It's funny watching these videos. We made every one of these filters on the same assembly line some time or another. Get done making one filter and change the line over to make and different brand filter. The cheap filter will do the same thing the high cost filter will do.
i miss the good old Champ Labs filters, never an issue with them. Did Champ make the Ford factory FoMOCo filters installed on new engines? - Sandy
@@sandyshoremann7524 Champ Lab lost Ford contract year's ago. At one time we had a spin-on oil filter assembly line that's all they made was FL-1A . It was a tall filter and we made a short filter 300 I thank. Ford at one time was Champs berad and butter.
@@chrismurphy5204 Thanks Chris. My 2011 ford ranger filter was white painted FoMoCo factory filter was Not a Motorcraft or Pur-O-Lator, I looked like a champ but it could have been Baldwin O.E. But it sure look like Champion Labs. Now I hear Champ and Fram are split up again. Those Vegas wedding don't last!
@@sandyshoremann7524 your right about Champ and Fram breaking up. That happened a few years back. But now there back together. Some guy bought Champ and Fram. I think the guy who bought them has a company named Tricon. They make wiper blades and other automotive parts. So what's funny is Champ will make Fram and Fram will make Champs filters. It depends on who is behind on there orders. Lol.
With your background, what make of oil filter do YOU use and recommend to the average Backyard Mechanic so they can get the best coverage and engine longevity?
I've never heard of the Champ brand you mentioned.
The number of inlet holes is irrelevant - just a design decision made by an engineer taking into account several factors. Under running oil pressure, the entire filter is filled with oil. It's the anti-drain back valve that matters, which these all have. And of course the filter media is vital, as well as not running 50,000 miles before forgetting to change your oil.
Wouldnt more smaller holes be worse for heavier oils or gunk buildup tho? I would assume many smaller ones prolly better for thinner oils.. but thick or cold may hold surface tension and not flow as well. I use the K&N for the ease of change... but also like wix and mobil1 I stopped using fram when i was young and heard about the orange can of death lol. I was told wix was the way to go.. figured K&N was a contracted build from another filter manufacturer.. but that bolt on the bottom is sooo handy with my motors because the engine literally covers half the filter you cant even get a finger on it on the side facing the motor lol... and you also have to go in at an angle with your arm because the shroud is in the way as well as the refridgerant lines lol sooo pack in there the ratchet is the best way oil clamp adapters can only turn like a few inches before the handles hits something no matter what way put it on.
@@learn2farm509 if there is gunk clogging the holes you have bigger issues than not making the holes big enough.
@@lukewinteregg2486 Nice reply!
@@learn2farm509 the band type filter wrenches can be tightened by pushing them in the clockwise direction to take to any slack, so side obstructions shouldn't be a problem as long as you can get them on in the first place.
The hole in the bottom on the K&N filter is there so you can safty wire it. This prevents the filter from spinning off. It may move enough to leak, but not enough to dump all your oil in a minute, thus destroying you engine.
Thanks for doing this. The one thing that concerns me is the micron size of particles that each filter will filter out. Is there a video where the particle micron size is stated for these filters?
30 microns is basic across most top shelf efficiency ratings
My 2011 Prius has over 330,000 miles and has never had any repairs! I use some great car care software called Automotive Wolf to monitor the maintenance schedule and I only use OEM oil and filters from Toyota. I change the oil every 10K miles with full synthetic as recommended in my owner's manual.
Thank you for this informative video. However, it is confusing when you are talking about one filter while holding different one.
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Exactly
A long time ago-
I worked at a factory, that made home care products. This was way before
Lowes, Home Depot, or WalMart. Most things were still made in USA.
We would make a product, then it got labeled. There were several labels-
True Value, Craftsman, ACE Hardware, etc. The product got it's label,
then boxed up. All the same. The same happens nowadays, but it's
even worse; since there are no Copyright laws in China, Viet Nam,
Malaysia- many manufacturers simply mimic each other, maybe changing
one slight thing. A warning- since this COVID-19 many have noticed a decline
in the already poor quality of some overseas produced products. This
is mainly due to new hires, not learning their job, lack of proper
training, longer shifts. In the world of manufacturing and assembly-
everything rolls downhill. Many factories outsource parts, and all
a company may do is simple assembly. There's probably 3 or 4 companies
actually assembling oil filters, 3-4 producing parts, +10 Name Brands.
When I sold them and before that just delivered them (back in the 90's), Filters made in the USA came from 4 places. Fram, Purolator, Wix, and Champion Labs. Mobil, Group 7, Mopar (for a time), and (for a time) Quaker State, Service Pro, Atlas (for a while), and some other filters were made by Purolator, and the only big differences were the amount of paper in the folds, Purolator branded ones had more by a few inches. Wix only made filters for NAPA (Gold only) , Big engines (iirc Douglas and other large diesel/hydralic etc) and themselves at the time, and they were okay, but over-priced for cars. Fram made Penzoil, and For a time Quaker State, the only difference was the paint, and a Penzoil being $1.25/pr for the same filter Fram was then charging $4 for, and neither was worth the price of the Pennzoil, then again I though at free they were not worth the price.
Champion Labs made AC Delco, Tech2000, some Bosch, Mopar for a time, Warner, STP, and others, and are easy to spot as they look just like the Tech does here. All were the same thing, often the same AC Delco blue, and were fine for normal use.
The best looking US filter was Motorcraft. All 4 made filters for Ford, and All Motorcraft filters were/are exactly alike. So a Filter made for Ford's 302 V8 from any of the 4 was always the same paper, number of folds, valves cans, etc, not just a Purolator painted white and red.
I caught out the Autozone salesman when he pulled the "Motorcraft filters come out of the same factory as Our store brand" (was it Duetze or something at that time?) and I told him and the customer that it was true though more likely it was from Purolator (who made the majority of Ford's filters then), and whether or not it was them, Puro, Wix or Fram, all were different than the Motorcraft. Then I said he would be better off saying his were the same as AC Delco, because they were and cutting one open would prove it.
This and the reply is spot on
@@douggainey Thank you so much, Sir👍🏽
I've used wix oil filters for years. You can actually feel a difference in weight of the filter vs others. More pleats and built better
Check out Whip City Wrencher's video on Wix oil filters.
@@wg5768 there's a reason pretty much every single engine making multiple thousands of hrspwrs is running a wix or Napa filter...
@@Matt-xu6hz I've heard Napa is good.
@@billp4 it's wix gold filters for 99% of applications, even the part# is the same, just the last 4 digits of the wix numbers
@@billp4 Napa Golds are rebranded Wix filters.
Always open the box 📦 since there’s a chance someone may’ve substituted a cheapie oil filter in place of the quality one. I always check for damage and the O ring and found an inferior one placed neatly in the box.
They do this at Walmart all the time. One time I bough an air filter. Got home and opened it, it was completely black! I check everything now before I leave the store.
Wow the similarities between super tech and K&N are amazing. This why people should not trust too much on brands, sometimes there are only famous names on a package with the same cheap product.
Being manufactured by the same company is meaningless, the filter media spec is different for different filters, I can almost guarantee you the super tech is using lower efficiency, lower glass fiber content media that has a lower holding capacity.
But there's so much misinformation going on here, filters can't easily be reviewed by eye balls, they have a test for filters the Iso 4548-12 test, that's what matters and the Fram Ultra is top of the charts on efficiency and holding capacity, so far above the rest of the field usually because they are using two layers of full microglass media. Fram ultras typically exceed 99.5% efficiency at 20 microns and 94% at 10 microns.
A lot of times things are made in the same factory from the same parts, because it costs more to have different internal parts. Super Tech is walmart brand so they aren't paying for any advertising. Generally they are the best for for the money.
I worked at an appliance manufacturer. Marketing wanted a cheap freezer to advertise a low ball price on and then get you in the store and sell you something more expensive. We actually found it cheaper to take the nice chrome handle and paint it an ugly flat brown instead of making a completely different cheap handle for the cheap model. So the fact was the cheap ugly freezer cost more to make than the nicer, higher priced one.
Super Tech is a Walmart brand. There's no consistence when it comes to their product as they are typicaly made by a lowest bidder. The same Super Tech filter can be made by two completaly different manufacturers.
Same thing with car batteries
They used to be better. It's a pretty common practice to bring out a great product then rest on that reputation and offer most high priced budget options. Noticed the same with Royal Purple when they had only 2 oils available the independent tests showed them wiping the floor with every . But everything brought out since is lucky to compete with most of the common brands.
The “eye test” test does not always give an accurate representation of what is going on And can lead to an oversimplification of the process.
This is an example of an intelligent comment.
It does if your checking to see if you need glasses!
So what to do?
Being able to put a wire through on the K&N filter is helpful for racing on a track. Plus, I would've loved to have a bolt end on my oil filter when I changed it last weekend (took me almost an hour to get it off)
K an N discontinued the white filters with the bolt on the end.
I have had 2 Toyotas, a 1984 Toyota 4x4 (22R engine) and a 2002 Highlander V6, both had over 280,000 miles when I recently sold both of them because of a move. I used the cheap Fram filter and Penzoil 10-30w and 5-30 oils in both. I would change the oil at 4,000 to 4,500 miles and neither burned a drop of oil. The importance is proper maintenance!
I have used Fram filters for 35 years on motorcycles, to 4 cylinders to v8s. Not once have I ever had an issue. This is putting well over 500K miles in total in cars. I put 350K miles on a Toyota corolla, Not once did I have an issue. Engine never leaked a drop of oil either. But it did use it when I sold the car, the rings were pretty used up. This video means nothing until he has multiple failures that cause engines to lock up.
Been using Mobil 1 filters for 9 yrs up here in Alberta, winters as low as -35C, no issues
That you know of
@@TheCarpenterUnion real good assumption except for there's no good assumptions
I use mobile 1.. fram I do not touch. As per more "reliable " sources than this
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I use the same here in MN. I get my oil tested every oil change and with 130K on my 3.5 ecoboost and I am still beating the averages.
Thanks I use the same I feel it’s the best filter
your audio and video are way off, you're talking about the Mobil One bypass valve while playing around and pointing to the Fram and Super Tec components. 8:04
just that part so idk if id say way off
No way. Several places. Im watching this like, wtf is he talking about in many places of the video
I don't know what it is but if you look at this channel other videos, many of them has something negative about Mobil 1 products, decide for yourself what is agenda here :)
..I agree...lack of focus, but I think this guy is a fairly newbee, so I think he will get better, so I'm gonna cut him some slack...
I made champion filters for 5 years and yes they made alot of filters the same that just changed packaging, but also some had more pleats than others and an anti drain back valve whereas others had no anti drain back valve and less pleats, STP FILTERS had a double filter media that was thick double paper we called it kotex paper it sorta looked like it and all of champion made filters had a steel end cap and steel tube atleast at the plant I worked in, I was the pleater operator, I ran the pleated paper
When you tell a woman ‘I’m a pleater operator, I pleate.’ How moist were their panties?
K&N and Mobil filters are almost impossible to get in the UK. My dad trained as a mechanic in his youth and swore by Fram. Until the late 80s. They went through a spell when you could open a new box to see a rusty filter. When i lived in the UK i always stuck to Wix. Now in Germany i use Mahle or Hengst filters.
idk man im using k&n filters here in the uk without any issues, you can get them pretty easy now
I like Wix & Mahle. Little harder to get in the USA, but they're worth it.
@@AftermathXJ220 wix and fleetguard were the same when i checked about 4 years ago couldnt find a wix for my Cummins but fleetguard is who made the mopar filter that came on it. So wix ,fleetguard and mopar all the same for a 5.9 Cummins
opie oils. always used k&n
In an ideal situation you never want the bypass to open.....because (like the name suggests) the oil is now bypassing the filter and any material stored loose enough in filter can potentially flow through engine. Causing damage quickly. Alot of race engines specifically use a filter without a bypass valve for that reason.
If you have debris in your oil that needs filtered- you already have issues. A cold bypass. Only open for a short short time frame. The oil should be filtered already from its last use
dirty oil is better than no oil, however.
The spider-valve on the Mobil-1 is actually quite effective. They are more consistent in manufacturing and are typically rated for the same/similar flow versus restriction as the button-valve types on the other filters... most of the time. It all depends on the application requirements.
As for the similarity in the K&N and Supertech, they are likely both made at the same factory and rebranded. The main difference between the two is the media. K&N has this whole deal with Low Restriction filters across the board (Air and Liquid). They don't filter as well, but they let air and oil through more easily... kinda. If you change your filter at regular intervals, the K&N doesn't really help as your filter won't plug enough to cause issues in less than 5,000 miles. They do however make a relatively nice quality product, so I won't harp on them for that.
musicwv, We just can't trust the media nowadays.
K&N makes their own filters in CA. I have never heard of K&N making anything other than K&N branded filters from any other source, so I'll say "no" regarding K&N making super tech Walmart filters. I believe you know this already.
Enjoyed your video! I use Wix and Baldwin filters on my older trucks and tractors, and OEM or Mobil 1 filters on my newer equipment that use synthetic oils. I use Rotella straight weight oils for older gas and diesel engines - Mobil 1 for the ones needing synthetics. My oldest 'runner' currently is a '49 Willys with a flathead 4. I can still buy a great Baldwin cartridge filter off-the-shelf for its bypass oil system.
Don’t have a old 4.0 Jeep by chance do you? If so what oil you run or would run. I run Rotella 10-30 currently but it’s the first time I’ve ran it. Having some lifter noise with it. Ugh
@@BradMillsOK I don't currently have any straight 6 gasoline engines. Have had them in 3 different Toyota Land Cruisers that I have owned, plus long ago in a '61 Ford Falcon. We do have a 4.2 diesel in a "FrankenJeep" truck my son drives - a Cherokee chassis with a J-truck cab and a 1930's Willys bed. His other Jeep is a '66 CJ6A with a little 225 V6. If you are sure your valve train is in good shape you might try switching to a good synthetic to try to calm the top-end rattle.
The feature on the k&n filter is for safety wire at a race track. Without it, you'll need to put a pipe clamp around the filter and safety wire the clamp. This reduces the chance of it backing out. This is also done on the drain plug, brake caliper bolts, etc.
There is no scientific data as to the quality of filtration, we know very little about these filters (based on this video)
Facts…
I thought pushing on things with a pair of gloves was a scientific way of measuring filtration as well as weight required to move oil through the system. I have an 08 carolla, and I've used all of those filters with the exception of the super tech. The car is still running as good as the day I started driving it.
Hater. 🙄
God forbid we see how well oil filters through the media.
Mii Entertainment 🤦♂️
Mobil 1 oil and filter hands down no questions asked. I change my oil every 4-5k and live in a very cold climate, no issues.
I usually get a Motorcraft filter for my truck as my filter sits sideways and I don't want any drain - back. Fram almost always drain back and then I have a late oil pressure as it has to fill back up before it gets pressure.
Last time I apparently used a Super Tech and I had no issues.
Anything but a Fram
Would have liked to see Purolator included in this. I've researched filters and several tests I found put the Purolator Pure One on par with the Mobil 1 in terms of filtering efficiency but for a lower price. After 5k miles my oil was still cleaner looking than after 3k with even the middle grade Fram.
Both are made by the same!
I just wish you have the equipment to test for how well the filter material is able trap contaminates.
I hope I’m not the only person that thinks this guy sound like Sean from The Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift
Or H.I. McDunnough from Raising Arizona
Totally
THANK YOU!
That was driving me nuts
I thought the exact same thing!! Its the kid from slingblade all grown up haha!!
@@kornfreak401 Now I want some fried taters. Hmmmmmmmmm.
Great video, thanks for taking the time to do this, very informative.
I know that I'm late to this discussion, but you did a nice job. Regarding the bypass valve on the Mobil filter, the first time I saw one of these was many years ago on a Toyota OE filter. Interestingly, they use a completely different pleat structure, probably for a greater surface area. Regarding the difference between the 2 Fram filters, it appears that the cheaper one has a lesser number of pleats. This would result in a lesser surface area. If you haven't already done it, removing the filter element and unfolding it to determine total area might be enlightening. I use Wix. Cheers
Wixom sux
I’ve been using the frame filters for 40 years and I have never had one issue with oil or engine problems most of my engines have reached and exceeded 200,000 miles
Same here. Just the basic orange fram filter. Many cars over 300k km.
@@derekgardin1512 I always kind of figured that no reputable oil manufacturer or filter manufacturer wanted to be proven to be the company which produced crap products that killed engines.
In theory, the only solids that should be in the filter media are wear products and other substances actually produced from running the engine...bearing material, carbon, etc. Assuming good oil pressure/circulation, proper cooling, proper mixture, etc., these should be minimal. It's a given that any air entering the engine should have gone through the air filter...no air leaks from bad air filter housing gaskets, etc.
I frequently see people just checking the oil, pulling the fill cap, dumping a quart in, and driving off. Personally, the dipstick handle and top of tube get hit with brake cleaner and a rag before i pull the stick, the fill cap and area around it get the same treatment before removing the cap, as does the funnel. If it has been running around in the trunk for a while, I'll hit the top of the oil bottle as well.
These are habits picked up from my dad, an Owner/Operator. It's amazing how anal about things one can be when your entire income rests on that Kenworth being on the road rather than in the shop.
Try synchronizing what you’re talking about with what your doing and showing with your hands.
Yes please 🙏 I'm like why the fuck is he holding a fram filter talking about the mobil1 bypass valve
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I just thought he was bipolar.
Yah the jumping around made my eyes spin. I think it's a really valuable comparison that would be an outstanding comparison with a systematic left- to- right flow, repeated in each category, and maybe a chart to sum it up at the end. Lose the gloves, everything is clean.
Having said all that, thank you for an informative piece that will improve my own practice.
great video - thanks for the interesting research. i’ve used the cheap supertech oil & oil filters on my previous 2 cars with great results: 2002 rav4 i traded in with 198,000 miles no problems, and a 2010 civic with 218,000 miles no problems, no burning, nothing at all. oil changed at 5,000 miles (give or take)
Thats because 1) you bought quality cars, and 2) the most important thing is consistent oil changes, not oil/filter quality.
with a stronger bypass spring it forces the oil through the filter element instead of bypassing around. I've also noticed my oil stays cleaner longer with the Mobil 1 and Wix / Napa filters.
You should remove the paper element and measure the length of each to see if there is any difference in overall material.
These have been done repeatedly here on youtube.
Why that proves nothing! It has to be tested AFTER its been in service!
that wouldnt measure much as the grade of paper and the way it is folded make a bigger difference than the amount of material .
@@vctrsone It has to be tested AFTER its been in service!
@@vctrsone like the friend said above. The way it performs has a bigger difference that how long it is or how it looks. It wouldn't be fair to judge any filter based of on looks than actually putting the filter into service.
I'm old school I change my oil and oil filter every 3000 miles no problems here.
As it should be done
I've been doing that since I been driving.
I'm too lazy and my cars are too cheap to be spending so much. I go 6-10k.
@@_AndromedaGalaxy_ even if you have cheap cars you shouldn't let them go that long without an oil change. The parts only cost you about 30 bucks, and you could do it yourself for free in 15 min
I use a Mobil 1 filter in GM truck.
I use a Honda OEM filter in Civic.
I use a Toyota OEM filter in Camry.
For oil I use the appropriate weight of Mobil 1 in all three. Oil changed about once a year on all three. No problems here. BTW, been changing my own for 30 years.
I’ve always used Super Tech oil and filter in my Ranger pick up because of the price. It now has 160k miles and still runs smooth and quiet.
paper will soak up all that all
“I can’t believe I just watched this entire video.”
I used to work at crossland filters, we made filters for our own crossland filter boxes and Ford motorcraft filters, they were identical apart from some markings and the packaging.
I worked in a Purolator plant in the mid 60s. Oil and gas filters and air filters. I could go on forever the differences in construction and they were made for all major car manufactures, heavy equipment and garden equipment. They were all made to the customers spec. The papers were different in coatings and heat treatment. All hand assembled and boxed back then. Always wondered who got the dead rat that went in one box!🤔
Been using Mobil 1 oil and filters exclusively on my 250,000 mile f250 and 300,000 mile cherokee. No problems here 👍
Great video man, just one thing. The hole for the wire in the K&N is for safety wire. It’s not to hold it in place in case it blows off it’s to wire it and lock it in the tightening direction and prevent it from backing off. Super simple tec but it’s something used not only in motor sport but also in military and civilian aircraft as an extra and simple safety precaution
Wow super teck I've been buying them because I'm cheap, didn't know that I'm also brilliant!
Same as oil buy the cheapest as long as your changing every 3~5 thousand miles.
Ur not only brilliant but very lucky!
Super tech also has dexcool coolant for GM vehicles, same as name brand but substantially cheaper.
I have been being laughed at because I change my oil every 3000 mi to 5000 mi Dependingon conditions. I have used supertech oil and filters and have almost 200k on a Ford Taurus, A TAURUS!
@@norcal715 actually the Taurus engine is very good solid. The body's all rot out up here in the north east. Run it till the wheels fall off.
In my entire life, I've never had an oil filter O-ring stick to the car/truck/boat/motorcycle/airplane... but it's good practice to look at the filter to make sure.
I never did until recently, 25+ years and one almost got me. Screwed the new filter on, fished the old one out of the drain pan. No o-ring, fish the pan with a screwdriver, no o-ring....pull the new filter, low and behold, o-rings!
It's happened to me with the orange Frams
I do a lot of oil changes and it's stayed on only a couple of times but I tend to over tighten mine quite a bit. I do check every time though to make sure it's not stuck on engine.
It doesn't happen often. But I used to change oil at a dealership, amd I had it happen a few times.
I actually have had it happen on a few occasions each time it was a orange fram filter.
Just completely admire this kind of knowledge.........thank you for the video !!!
I'm really surprised at the quality of the super tech and for the price it's what I've been using recently. I've used the Mobile 1 without any issues.
Where I live the temperatures get as low as minus 50 in winter ( -50 Celsius). Mobil 1 is king up here.
Super Tech oil filters are made in the 🇺🇸 been using them for over 12 years on my cars without any problems i change my oil with full synthetic every 4000 miles and oil filter as well!
Dang straight. $13 for oil and $4 for the filter. Change often and your ride should live almost forever.
IF you are changing out your synthetic oil at 4000 miles - that is way too frequent - your throwing your money away.
@@mihy26 might be true but my engine is clean and stays lubricated with cleaner oil year around. I get either Valvoline or Castrol full synthetic 5 qt container at Walmart for a low price can't beat having clean oil yearly on yr car. Engines cost thousands oil is cheap!
Doroteo Garcia, how long do you keep a car and how many odometer miles before trading off? Some of those really cheap filters doesn’t do a very good job of filtering the oil. A good indicator of how good of a job your filter is doing is the color. If the color turns black before it’s time to change oil, your filter has ‘gone to the other side.’ If you get some off your dip stick between your thumb and index, (what I call my trigger finger lol) and rub it between them. If it feel slightly gritty, then you should get a higher quality filter. The filter is literally the key to the life of your engine. Some people like to trade in every couple of years or so, but I tend to get attached to one especially if I like it real well and I’ll keep it for a long time. If one turns out to be about half a lemon, then that sucker is gone gone. I bought my Dodge 1999 2500 with a V-10 4X4 and 5 speed stick new and I still have it. It’s been a sweet truck. Love that horse power torque. Still doesn’t burn a drop of oil because I’ve kept Conoco 10W30 oil in it with the highest grade Wix filter I could find and changed oil & filter every 2000 miles, until I couldn’t get Conoco brand anymore, (life in a small town) so I began using full synthetic 10W30 and Wix filter.
@@larryray3178 I have a 2009 Mazda 6 which i bought new in October 2008 it now has 178,000 still going strong i get either Super tech 2000 oil filter or use Bosch or Hasting oil filter. I also have a 2016 Mazda 6 which i bought new in June 2015 it now has 100,000 miles still runs like a champ using same oil filters as my other car. Filter is not black but light medium brown during my 4000 miles interval oil change.
The hole in the KN filter is there so you can safety wire it....often required for racing events or just your own piece of mind.
That would actually be a great idea for the Mustang GT350. The flat plane crank tends to create strange vibrations that end up working the filter loose, dropping oil pressure on the race track and killing the engine
Wow great video I’ve been using mobile one filters I’m considering trying royal purple but I’ll watching a video tear apart and see inside for myself first, ty for this video I’m learning so much watching these
I run a System 1 washable/reusable filter on my 800h.p. street car. Best oil filter I've ever used, and you also get to easily inspect the filter element every time you change your oil.
The hole in the nut on the K&N makes it easier on motorcycles for track day usage when you have to safety wire the filter in place. But I'm heard horror stories of the outer housing blowing off with the K&N filters. I've never experienced that myself when I've run the K&N filters, however for the bikes I went back to factory filters, which is typically made by Denso. On my cars, I've always ran Fram and never had any issues, but I change them every 3K and I don't push the engine that hard either.
a few years ago I was in-charge of generator maintenance, I had the same natural gas generator turbo failure 3 years in a row, we finally inspected the turbo oil supply and found a piece of filter element lodged in the turbo orifice restricting the flow. I don't remember the brand used. no cheap filters for me now, its money well spent.
Rich
Most of these filters are made at champion labs in Illinois to customer specs the names are really the biggest difference
Very informative video. I have always changed my oil regularly with Fram oil filters, and never had a problem. Just saying.
"I Cant believe i watched this video" i think you picked up the supertech bypass valve and said it was the mobil one valve
I would really love to see a mechanical test rig like you did for motor oil... pumping oil through and measuring pressures and ability to capture debris.
I'm not sure when but "Bobtheoilguy" has a website and he did that with pressure testing- at the time k&n scored the lowest reduction in oil pressure
Thank you for testing these filters it was a good video you pointed out a lot of differences. In a future video, could you please test the Napa brand filters, there was another posting on TH-cam and they rated the Napa as the best. It would be interesting to see your results as well...
First of I want to say that I really do appreciate the time and effort put into this video. I am not knocking it by any means.
I just wanted to say that there are other videos, one I watched in particular a few years ago that dissected oil filters.
The guy pulled the filter element apart and did other tests.
In the video he had more brands of filters.
The fram had rust inside. He tried with another fram same thing.
By the end of the video I was sold on Wix filters or Napa Gold filters since it was apparent that Napa Gold filters are made by WIX.
Again, I mean no disrespect to you or the video. I did enjoy watching it.
I've been using the Grey Fram tough guard for the past 8 years and never had a problem. I can vouch for it.
I always used FRAM. Never had engine problems.
Having a filter is better than not having one. I would be willing to bet that an engine wouldn't fail if you rigged it to use no filter at all. This should be the "Control" test rig, but no one does it to see real engine wear or the results of any filter.
@@toddfandrey4242 we had a lot of people at our shop come in with destroyed engines because their fram filter came apart.
@@slingbart705 My Dad's airplane didn't have a filter and it lasted a very long time, it just had a oil screen.
I like the oil filter cutter you used. If I remember correctly that blade on it can be replaced when needed.
So much for the construction. Thank you. But what also needs to be discussed is the total number of square inches of filtering material and the efficiency of same.
Has there ever been an engine failure because of Fram's paper end caps failing ? I use the pricier Mobil 1, K&N, or Bosch oil filters because why would I cheap out on an oil filter if I'm going to make the extra effort on DIY to be sure it is done right?
Had too many filters in his hand at the same time . Confusing on which filter he was talking about.
Agree
I set up my own display of cut filters when I managed an Advance Auto Parts store. Your right with your results. Great job. I personally run nothing but Mobil 1. Thanks for sharing this with the public.
You’re, not your.
@@mrbriancandoanything709 OH MY GOD , LOOK OUT , HERE COMES THE SPELLING POLICE !!!
Grammer police actually
Nice! I learned years ago that the super tech synthetic oil was very high quality and switched from mobile 1.
Abandoning the expensive K&N oil filter now in favor of super tech too 👍
As far as the bypass valve, some oil pumps also have a bypass valve built in. My small block Chevy had one, but it was deleted when I reinstalled it. As I only ran in the summer with this car, and the oil was changed often, there wasn't any need for it. Having an emergency bypass valve in the filter is OK.
Quality filters and cheap filters are more than dollars, it also means better filter media, usually, but not always! I always looked the filter over quite well before installing them, as you never knew when a filter became cheaper, but with a higher cost!