@@KeltonKozlowski I keep seeing you reply to folks with this. Yes the STI would have been fantastic, and rumors at the time stated, it was pushing 400hp... The EPA is what killed it, so go out and buy a VB, and make your own STI. The VB is far from watered down, subaru just knows people were gonna mod them anyway, thats why the beefed up the internals of the FA24. MotoIQ and many others have talked about how robust the FA24 in the WRX is, head work, etc..
@@KeltonKozlowskiThe VB beats the ever living shit out of an STI with minor modification, and then again with an STI tranny swap. 38-39k for TR for the brakes and seats, another 10K for mods and you have something that'll be more reliable and powerful than 2021 STI could ever be. People are so emotional about this crap that they can't see reason.
I’m not sure how anyone can make the argument that they watered down the VB. It’s the most powerful and best tuned WRX out of the box. Look at the dyno charts… it dynos at the same power level at the wheels as the GR Corolla which has 300hp. Driving dynamics are better than the VA. It’s faster than the VA STI. They clearly put in a ton of effort into this generation so I would hardly call it watered down.
Fax, stratified did some testing and the vb dyno'd 30-35whp higher than their VA stock for stock. STI transmission would be nice but it's just a swap away
@@UrbanRally the first part of your comment doesn’t make any sense, the second part is pure conjecture. What does looking at a dyno chart have to do with affording a car? How do you know that I haven’t owned a previous version of the WRX? Literally everyone shits on the VB until they drive one. I would highly recommend you to do so.
I was talking to the service rep at a Subaru dealership while I was getting the fluids changed in my Outback. He told me every Subaru vehicle will only be offered in a CVT, no more manual transmissions by 2030 or possibly sooner. Which sucks because I love my manual Outback.
That's impossible for the BRZ and WRX, 85% of WRX's are stick shift. I'm sure they made the GT WRX to try to persuade people into increasing the amount of CVT WRX sales, but it looks like a lot of people are just choosing the lower trims for the stick shift. They may remove the manual option from the other Subaru models like the SUV's, but removing the manual option from the BRZ and WRX would actually decrease sales and make them lose money.
It's not "impossible". When you take CAFE standards into account, it's probable. Infract, I would expect Subaru to hybridize both the BRZ and the WRX taking advantage of the ECVT systems that other brands like Honda are introducing. A hybrid with an ECVT system can easily make 200 wheel horsepower and keep average MPG within US CAFE standards.
@@rootbeer4492 I see, man screw those cafe standards because they let oversized trucks and SUV’s run rampant with polluting oversized engines while they choke small, economical, space efficient and fun cars. It’s so stupid.
complaints about the power will never ever make sense. especially when the WRX STi had about 300 hp for all it's life (obv Japan had a 276hp law in the 90s that most brands lied about), a 40hp increase in the regular WRX is massive. the regular WRX isn't supposed to be a massive hp maker, it's just a sporty turbocharged sedan. like if you're worried about hp, then clearly the WRX is not the car for you, you can get a Mustang
@@joby602 I'm referring to the complaint about the WRX only having 271 hp, just using the STi's consistent 300hp as an example of why the argument makes no sense
@@lucasokeefe7935 well, the good thing is, with just an intake and an OTS tune, you can make way more than that. As a matter of fact its 315whp with just 93.
@@antoinelee-thomas9536 bone stock is stretching it. It’s- $45~$50k factory tuned money looser that’s built as a marketing tool. The fact of the matter is internet will whine all day long if they make 300hp sti when wrx is making 280. If they make 380hp sti w/ very rigorous maintenance schedule and price tag north of $60k the internet will whine all day and no one will buy them. Subaru is in the business of making money. If they see there is a profitable market for sti they’ll be making them.
With Toyota poushing the GR models and Hyundai pushing the N, it may be something Subaru might want to re-think their strategy... like can and should compete in this market. The new platform has the potential. But, if they do a WRX Hybrid - please keep the manual
@@KeltonKozlowski I test drove the new WRX about 2 months ago. I felt it was a little soul-less. Bring back the 90's when you could interact with the car, not the computers
Having driven an STI and own a VB wrx. I can say the VB is much more livable day to day. The STi has a more connected drive….but I’m sure with a few mods the VB can be right there next to the Sti.
I currently own a 2005 STI, and Ive owned it for years. During this time I have owned 2 other VA chassis STI's, and nether was as good as my blob. That being said, the VB Wrx is a much better daily than all of those, and its closer to the performance levels of an STI than ever before.. I also owned a VA Wrx.. that was my least fav wrx Ive owned. It felt like a neutered STI. The VB very much feels like it takes a lot more from an STI.
I like where your heart is on this video, but unfortunately your journalism needs some work. For example: you mention that the 3hp gain in the current WRX is marginal and unheard of, well if you knew anything about Honda, youd know that the Civic SI, has had the same power figures since 2006, and the most its gotten in terms of more power, is 5hp... from 2014- to 2022 it was exactly the same, and actually lost power in the 11th gen back to 200. So no, its not unheard of. Also, the new wrx is better than any previous wrx before it in terms of performance. People are confusing what the wrx is, its subarus Civic SI, and the STI is their Type R variant. Hopefully that clears some things up for you.
@@KeltonKozlowski Nah you just wanna hate. Conveniently forgot that the VB makes way more HP & TQ under the curve regardless of what the max values for the dyno charts. You also conveniently forgot it handles way better than a VA and on par with an STI WITHOUT the trans/diffs/brakes... but go off on how Subaru watered it down. Yes all those goodies would be nice but lets be honest... 999/1000 STi owners aren't good enough drivers to put those to any use... especially on the street.
Good video. I’m with you. The problem for us is that enthusiasts are a niche market. They don’t generate any significant amount of revenue. The regular cars do. I wish that wasn’t the case.
2004 STI is the best street legal racer for Subaru. Subie has been backing away from performance since, imho because of the idiots who keep having ridiculous accidents, bad press from furious driving that the growing company does not need. I saw rating third from worst once in accidents and we all know how competent they really are, day to day. Keep 'em stock, well maintained and their value will only rise. Just quality tires, a clear head and enjoy, lol.
Actually the 04 has smaller hubs, and other weaker points that they change in 05. The 05 is considered to be the best STI year made... I know this because I own one =) In 06 they changed components again, to create more overhead so they used cheaper parts in the hawkeye. MotoIQ explains it in detail if youd like to watch. Its at the 40 min mark. th-cam.com/video/cRr2pc9ctgE/w-d-xo.html
I planned to buy a new STI if they made one. However they didn’t, and Toyota made the car I wanted( the GRC) and I took my business elsewhere to Toyota. I agree this is a mistake but Subaru
Toyota has a large share of Subaru Stock, companies need to follow the desires of their shareholders the GRC would directly compete with the WRX STI so they cast their vote as shareholders to tell Subaru what they can and cant sell.
@@rcp9tyThat's only for the GR86 and BRZ twins and the bz4x and Solterra. That's it. That has nothing to do with the WRX STI not being built. Toyota had no shares or stake in Subaru when the STI was in production from 2004-2021 in the US market or even when the first STI existed back in 1994. The STI's were all 100% Subaru built and Subaru controlled with the help of the STI Division. Subaru not building the STI people are asking for on the VB gen WRX platform has nothing to do with the Toyota, the GR Corolla, nor the GR Division team. The GR Corolla is 100% Toyota built with the enhancements of the GR Division. Subaru not having a WRX STI on the VB gen WRX platform has nothing to do with Toyota and why Subaru can't and won't build it.
My VB dynos the same WHP as the carolla GR. I think its great. Also subaru still Rallys here in the US., Lastly, the STI while cool, was priced in a catagory with other vehicles that would blows its door off. That atm is not the case with the regular WRX. The STI didnt sell enough sorry. There are way to many other vehicles in the 40k price range that destroyed the STI. Which means, people would rather get better performance for their money as the STI was clearly not the the case. The GR Carolla IMH is stupid. It should be priced in the mid to high 30s to even compete. Good luck finding one cheaper then 40k. The Golf R and GR Carolla are overpriced. Why get that when you can get a mustang that will destroy both of those vehicles? Good luck finding a Golf R at msrp as well. Personally, the moment a WRX hits 40k, they are priced wrong. Same with the Golf R and the GR Carolla. You dont put lower power vehicles in the same price range as higher end muscle cars like the GT Mustang or Camero. Thats like the idiots who buy a 75k half ton pickup (Besides the Raptor of course) when that same price can get them a 3/4 or 1ton diesel.
True story, even looking at the old sales numbers 2011 and 2012 sold 13.6k per year, 2013 they sold almost 18k, and 2014 they sold 25k units and this is WRX and STI numbers combined since they never separated them out. Peeps dumping 40k into their WRX builds to make 600 whp when a 2015-2023 Mustang GT will make 800 whp for a good 6k or so and reliably. I love my VB but I'm already pretty much at the limit without having another 7k on standby for an STI drivetrain swap, which is like 20% of the cost of the car lol
@@carsnanime4719 How are you spending 40k on a VB? You can pull on 8th gen corvettes with 450whp... Here is a 415whp pulling on a C7Z06 thats built..... th-cam.com/video/Y6OLBZZw6rI/w-d-xo.html
Posting this here for the people who think the 3hp numbers are accurate, note the Dmann OTS tunes are netting 315WHP (not crank) on 93. see how a stock VB compares to a tuned VA WRX th-cam.com/video/1nmX0MbXBcM/w-d-xo.html
The two reasons they can't release an STI is because not only are the boxer engines very inefficient, and a power bump would kill fuel economy, but it would dig into Toyota's sales for the GR Corolla. Toyota owns 20% of Subaru, and if they bumped the horsepower up to 310 and gave it the LSDs it would completely shit on the GR Corolla and there wouldn't be much reason to choose that over the theoretical STI other than the hatchback design. A large reason it's not being made is because of Toyota pretty much ordering Subaru not to.
You are absouletly spewing nonsense about the GR corolla. The GR Corolla is a limited production run vehicle 6500 each year vs a mass produced WRX. Toyota sells over 2 million cars vs Subarus 800k and their scaried of a Wrx lol. Toyota has no say in the WRX or the STI. The only reason toyota has shares in subaru is 1 Subaru doesnt have the funds for Hybrid so they sold shares to Toyota for the technolgy and 2. was a vehicle manufacturing plant that Toyota owned. You have no credible information about Toyota saying that cant build it because it isnt true or you would present it . The dumbiest rumor and morons like you keep it going.
I dont think toyota cares about GR corolla sales in that way.. that wouldnt make any sense, Toyota stands alone and is massive compared to FHI.. its an interesting viewpoint, but it seems far fetched from a logical standpoint.
One, Subaru is not a Dodge, Jeep, or RAM. They're not producing Hellcat, Hellcat Redeye, Demon, and Demon 170 engines. These just turbocharged 4-cylinders sport sedans. Two, the GR Corolla is 100% Toyota built. Subaru not building a VB gen WRX STI should have nothing to do with Toyota not letting Subaru bring a WRX STI to market because the STI was 100% Subaru built with enhancements from the STI Division. Toyota's partnership with Subaru was for the GT86/GR86 and BRZ twins and the bz4x and Solterra. Subaru has always had STIs long before the GR Corolla came into existence. Three, if it's about fuel economy, no one was complaining about when the EJ25 was 18 MPG in the city and 24 MPG on the highway. If anyone is buying an STI for fuel economy, the STI is not for them, with the exception that if you're going from a V8 to an i4, then that's the only exception with any turbocharged car: Civic Si, Elantra N-Line, Forte GT, Jetta GLI, Golf GTI (manual up until the end of the '24MY), Elantra N, GR Corolla, Used or Certified Pre-Owned WRX STI, Golf R (manual up until the end of the '24MY), FL5 Civic Type R and/or DE5 Integra Type S.
Maybe if you understood more about cars and car culture you'll realise that the VB gen isn't 'watered down'. the FA24F engine is a great engine, it can be tuned to make more power then a STI (EJ257 )while also being way more reliable. The VB chassis is rigid and great overall on track, the VB chassis literally came 2nd at the 2024 Goodwood Festival.
The issue is their low sales. When you look at the numbers, you can understand why the Legacy is gone now and no point to make the STI. Subaru doesn’t have a large financial pocket book like Toyota and Honda to make cars that don’t make them much profits
@@KeltonKozlowski Again, you should do more research. FHI (subaru) is owned in part by toyota, 20% i believe it is up to now. However they are still a very very small company in terms of automanufacturers. Juggernauts like VW, Honda, Toyota, GM etc are sometimes 10x bigger... esp VW, which is absolutely massive and the biggest auto maker in the world. Making a golf GTI, and golf R doesnt matter when they are that big. Its to lure in young customers to make them lifelong.
Porche just announced the Macan 4 and Turbo, both are EVs… the same is happening for the WRX STi. The Turbo was removed from the lineup in 2023-24 and is coming back for 2025 as a full BEV on a new platform. It’s only a matter of time
I owned a 2005 Impreza WRX STI Colin McRae 555 Limited Edition. Great car but it blew up and I couldn't afford to fix it so let it go for next to nothing. They are worth over £25k now. PS I think it's pronounced "im-pret-zah" rather than "im-prez-ah".
@@KeltonKozlowski the EJ207 is now known for ringland, or bearing failure (rod knock).. How long have you been into subarus dude? my guess is you are pretty new..
@@KeltonKozlowski agreed but if you notice, JDM manufacturers don't collaborate so easily. When they used to compete pound for pound Toyota didn't own everything. Even Mitsubishi is RIP now. Nissan looks like they're facing the abyss too financially. Sucks but maybe business culture is different
As a 2020 STI owner I'm pretty much on the look out for a clean bug eye STI or GC8. Subaru isn't going to make another car like WRX STI again and I've excepted that. Don't get me wrong the VB has a lot going for it but I cant get behind the look of it both inside and outside
Heavy, Oversized, open diffs, expensive. there is hardly anything in this vehicle that resembles what a Subaru was all about. its closer to a Hyundai that a Traditional Subaru. that's fine if you wanna sell cars to the masses but nothing to fanboi over. emphasis on weight and open differentials. broadly speaking they now lack any redeemable quality. its just a disposable vehicle now.
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They learned the people complaining on the internet are mostly not the ones buying the new cars they're begging for
exactly lol car 'enthusiasts' are broke usually and the people who have money just lease or buy german sports cars
coudnt say it better than you.
vb wrx one of the best cars ive had and ive owned 2 Subarus with STI badges
Glad you like your vb, now just how imagine how great a true sti one would be
@@KeltonKozlowski I keep seeing you reply to folks with this. Yes the STI would have been fantastic, and rumors at the time stated, it was pushing 400hp... The EPA is what killed it, so go out and buy a VB, and make your own STI. The VB is far from watered down, subaru just knows people were gonna mod them anyway, thats why the beefed up the internals of the FA24. MotoIQ and many others have talked about how robust the FA24 in the WRX is, head work, etc..
@@KeltonKozlowski Lol you did no research and now you just reply with a dumb copy pasta.
@@KeltonKozlowskiThe VB beats the ever living shit out of an STI with minor modification, and then again with an STI tranny swap. 38-39k for TR for the brakes and seats, another 10K for mods and you have something that'll be more reliable and powerful than 2021 STI could ever be. People are so emotional about this crap that they can't see reason.
I’m not sure how anyone can make the argument that they watered down the VB.
It’s the most powerful and best tuned WRX out of the box. Look at the dyno charts… it dynos at the same power level at the wheels as the GR Corolla which has 300hp.
Driving dynamics are better than the VA. It’s faster than the VA STI.
They clearly put in a ton of effort into this generation so I would hardly call it watered down.
So just imagine how great a VB STi model would be
Fax, stratified did some testing and the vb dyno'd 30-35whp higher than their VA stock for stock. STI transmission would be nice but it's just a swap away
What an awful comment. Anyone screaming about dyno charts cant afford these cars and has never driven the old ones to know why they were good anyway
@@UrbanRally the first part of your comment doesn’t make any sense, the second part is pure conjecture.
What does looking at a dyno chart have to do with affording a car? How do you know that I haven’t owned a previous version of the WRX?
Literally everyone shits on the VB until they drive one. I would highly recommend you to do so.
@@enmass90it's also the most boring and ugliest absolutely no car reviewer likes them
I was talking to the service rep at a Subaru dealership while I was getting the fluids changed in my Outback. He told me every Subaru vehicle will only be offered in a CVT, no more manual transmissions by 2030 or possibly sooner. Which sucks because I love my manual Outback.
Such a bummer
That's impossible for the BRZ and WRX, 85% of WRX's are stick shift. I'm sure they made the GT WRX to try to persuade people into increasing the amount of CVT WRX sales, but it looks like a lot of people are just choosing the lower trims for the stick shift.
They may remove the manual option from the other Subaru models like the SUV's, but removing the manual option from the BRZ and WRX would actually decrease sales and make them lose money.
It's not "impossible". When you take CAFE standards into account, it's probable. Infract, I would expect Subaru to hybridize both the BRZ and the WRX taking advantage of the ECVT systems that other brands like Honda are introducing. A hybrid with an ECVT system can easily make 200 wheel horsepower and keep average MPG within US CAFE standards.
@@rootbeer4492 I see, man screw those cafe standards because they let oversized trucks and SUV’s run rampant with polluting oversized engines while they choke small, economical, space efficient and fun cars. It’s so stupid.
complaints about the power will never ever make sense. especially when the WRX STi had about 300 hp for all it's life (obv Japan had a 276hp law in the 90s that most brands lied about), a 40hp increase in the regular WRX is massive. the regular WRX isn't supposed to be a massive hp maker, it's just a sporty turbocharged sedan. like if you're worried about hp, then clearly the WRX is not the car for you, you can get a Mustang
How does wanting a STi with decent horsepower, mean I want a Mustang? What kind of logic is that?
@@joby602 I'm referring to the complaint about the WRX only having 271 hp, just using the STi's consistent 300hp as an example of why the argument makes no sense
When WRX is pushing 280hp, what do you want from STi 380? 400? From a 4 cylinder engine? Are you prepared to pay AMG maintenance money for a Subaru?
For gods sake we just want an even 300hp as a warrantied starting point.
Yes
@@lucasokeefe7935 well, the good thing is, with just an intake and an OTS tune, you can make way more than that. As a matter of fact its 315whp with just 93.
You do know that there really is a bone stock 380hp STI? It's in Japan. It just never came to the US.
@@antoinelee-thomas9536 bone stock is stretching it. It’s- $45~$50k factory tuned money looser that’s built as a marketing tool.
The fact of the matter is internet will whine all day long if they make 300hp sti when wrx is making 280. If they make 380hp sti w/ very rigorous maintenance schedule and price tag north of $60k the internet will whine all day and no one will buy them.
Subaru is in the business of making money. If they see there is a profitable market for sti they’ll be making them.
Just give us a wrx with a closed deck, forged internals, 8000 rpm valve train, and the STi 6 speed and DCCD. We will take car of the rest, Subaru
With Toyota poushing the GR models and Hyundai pushing the N, it may be something Subaru might want to re-think their strategy... like can and should compete in this market. The new platform has the potential. But, if they do a WRX Hybrid - please keep the manual
I hope they reconsider
@@KeltonKozlowski I test drove the new WRX about 2 months ago. I felt it was a little soul-less. Bring back the 90's when you could interact with the car, not the computers
Having driven an STI and own a VB wrx. I can say the VB is much more livable day to day. The STi has a more connected drive….but I’m sure with a few mods the VB can be right there next to the Sti.
Totally fair, just wish the sti was an option
I currently own a 2005 STI, and Ive owned it for years. During this time I have owned 2 other VA chassis STI's, and nether was as good as my blob. That being said, the VB Wrx is a much better daily than all of those, and its closer to the performance levels of an STI than ever before.. I also owned a VA Wrx.. that was my least fav wrx Ive owned. It felt like a neutered STI. The VB very much feels like it takes a lot more from an STI.
EPA is killing the small performance car or any small car.
No the EPA is killing performance cars. We are killing small cars. Most people nowadays want an suv or a truck.
I like where your heart is on this video, but unfortunately your journalism needs some work. For example: you mention that the 3hp gain in the current WRX is marginal and unheard of, well if you knew anything about Honda, youd know that the Civic SI, has had the same power figures since 2006, and the most its gotten in terms of more power, is 5hp... from 2014- to 2022 it was exactly the same, and actually lost power in the 11th gen back to 200. So no, its not unheard of. Also, the new wrx is better than any previous wrx before it in terms of performance. People are confusing what the wrx is, its subarus Civic SI, and the STI is their Type R variant. Hopefully that clears some things up for you.
I bet you are fun at parties
@@KeltonKozlowski Nah you just wanna hate. Conveniently forgot that the VB makes way more HP & TQ under the curve regardless of what the max values for the dyno charts. You also conveniently forgot it handles way better than a VA and on par with an STI WITHOUT the trans/diffs/brakes... but go off on how Subaru watered it down. Yes all those goodies would be nice but lets be honest... 999/1000 STi owners aren't good enough drivers to put those to any use... especially on the street.
Good video. I’m with you. The problem for us is that enthusiasts are a niche market. They don’t generate any significant amount of revenue. The regular cars do. I wish that wasn’t the case.
2004 STI is the best street legal racer for Subaru. Subie has been backing away from performance since, imho because of the idiots who keep having ridiculous accidents, bad press from furious driving that the growing company does not need. I saw rating third from worst once in accidents and we all know how competent they really are, day to day. Keep 'em stock, well maintained and their value will only rise. Just quality tires, a clear head and enjoy, lol.
Actually the 04 has smaller hubs, and other weaker points that they change in 05. The 05 is considered to be the best STI year made... I know this because I own one =) In 06 they changed components again, to create more overhead so they used cheaper parts in the hawkeye.
MotoIQ explains it in detail if youd like to watch. Its at the 40 min mark.
th-cam.com/video/cRr2pc9ctgE/w-d-xo.html
@@juanticimo Thanks, will keep searching for a good one. (lol)
I planned to buy a new STI if they made one. However they didn’t, and Toyota made the car I wanted( the GRC) and I took my business elsewhere to Toyota.
I agree this is a mistake but Subaru
Exactly, I think a lot people had some thought process
Toyota has a large share of Subaru Stock, companies need to follow the desires of their shareholders the GRC would directly compete with the WRX STI so they cast their vote as shareholders to tell Subaru what they can and cant sell.
@@rcp9tyThat's only for the GR86 and BRZ twins and the bz4x and Solterra. That's it.
That has nothing to do with the WRX STI not being built. Toyota had no shares or stake in Subaru when the STI was in production from 2004-2021 in the US market or even when the first STI existed back in 1994. The STI's were all 100% Subaru built and Subaru controlled with the help of the STI Division.
Subaru not building the STI people are asking for on the VB gen WRX platform has nothing to do with the Toyota, the GR Corolla, nor the GR Division team. The GR Corolla is 100% Toyota built with the enhancements of the GR Division. Subaru not having a WRX STI on the VB gen WRX platform has nothing to do with Toyota and why Subaru can't and won't build it.
the bug-eye would be the only one i would get, the rest of them look anonymous af (the most recent one looks great again tho)
I agree. New WRX has an aggressive look and it doesn't look like any modern sedan being made.
My VB dynos the same WHP as the carolla GR. I think its great. Also subaru still Rallys here in the US.,
Lastly, the STI while cool, was priced in a catagory with other vehicles that would blows its door off. That atm is not the case with the regular WRX.
The STI didnt sell enough sorry. There are way to many other vehicles in the 40k price range that destroyed the STI. Which means, people would rather get better performance for their money as the STI was clearly not the the case. The GR Carolla IMH is stupid. It should be priced in the mid to high 30s to even compete. Good luck finding one cheaper then 40k.
The Golf R and GR Carolla are overpriced. Why get that when you can get a mustang that will destroy both of those vehicles? Good luck finding a Golf R at msrp as well. Personally, the moment a WRX hits 40k, they are priced wrong. Same with the Golf R and the GR Carolla. You dont put lower power vehicles in the same price range as higher end muscle cars like the GT Mustang or Camero.
Thats like the idiots who buy a 75k half ton pickup (Besides the Raptor of course) when that same price can get them a 3/4 or 1ton diesel.
True story, even looking at the old sales numbers 2011 and 2012 sold 13.6k per year, 2013 they sold almost 18k, and 2014 they sold 25k units and this is WRX and STI numbers combined since they never separated them out. Peeps dumping 40k into their WRX builds to make 600 whp when a 2015-2023 Mustang GT will make 800 whp for a good 6k or so and reliably. I love my VB but I'm already pretty much at the limit without having another 7k on standby for an STI drivetrain swap, which is like 20% of the cost of the car lol
@carsnanime4719 true you can get a brand new base 5.0 for $38k discounted. They still need make a sedan version though 😢
@@BitcoinTo100K Supposedly in the works! Would be nice for the family men
@@carsnanime4719 How are you spending 40k on a VB? You can pull on 8th gen corvettes with 450whp...
Here is a 415whp pulling on a C7Z06 thats built.....
th-cam.com/video/Y6OLBZZw6rI/w-d-xo.html
Posting this here for the people who think the 3hp numbers are accurate, note the Dmann OTS tunes are netting 315WHP (not crank) on 93. see how a stock VB compares to a tuned VA WRX
th-cam.com/video/1nmX0MbXBcM/w-d-xo.html
271 whp if you dyno it before a few pulls. DAM starts under 1 on a stock tune. It actually does a little more as it advances timing.
The two reasons they can't release an STI is because not only are the boxer engines very inefficient, and a power bump would kill fuel economy, but it would dig into Toyota's sales for the GR Corolla. Toyota owns 20% of Subaru, and if they bumped the horsepower up to 310 and gave it the LSDs it would completely shit on the GR Corolla and there wouldn't be much reason to choose that over the theoretical STI other than the hatchback design. A large reason it's not being made is because of Toyota pretty much ordering Subaru not to.
You are absouletly spewing nonsense about the GR corolla. The GR Corolla is a limited production run vehicle 6500 each year vs a mass produced WRX. Toyota sells over 2 million cars vs Subarus 800k and their scaried of a Wrx lol. Toyota has no say in the WRX or the STI. The only reason toyota has shares in subaru is 1 Subaru doesnt have the funds for Hybrid so they sold shares to Toyota for the technolgy and 2. was a vehicle manufacturing plant that Toyota owned. You have no credible information about Toyota saying that cant build it because it isnt true or you would present it . The dumbiest rumor and morons like you keep it going.
I dont think toyota cares about GR corolla sales in that way.. that wouldnt make any sense, Toyota stands alone and is massive compared to FHI.. its an interesting viewpoint, but it seems far fetched from a logical standpoint.
One, Subaru is not a Dodge, Jeep, or RAM. They're not producing Hellcat, Hellcat Redeye, Demon, and Demon 170 engines. These just turbocharged 4-cylinders sport sedans.
Two, the GR Corolla is 100% Toyota built. Subaru not building a VB gen WRX STI should have nothing to do with Toyota not letting Subaru bring a WRX STI to market because the STI was 100% Subaru built with enhancements from the STI Division. Toyota's partnership with Subaru was for the GT86/GR86 and BRZ twins and the bz4x and Solterra. Subaru has always had STIs long before the GR Corolla came into existence.
Three, if it's about fuel economy, no one was complaining about when the EJ25 was 18 MPG in the city and 24 MPG on the highway. If anyone is buying an STI for fuel economy, the STI is not for them, with the exception that if you're going from a V8 to an i4, then that's the only exception with any turbocharged car: Civic Si, Elantra N-Line, Forte GT, Jetta GLI, Golf GTI (manual up until the end of the '24MY), Elantra N, GR Corolla, Used or Certified Pre-Owned WRX STI, Golf R (manual up until the end of the '24MY), FL5 Civic Type R and/or DE5 Integra Type S.
Maybe if you understood more about cars and car culture you'll realise that the VB gen isn't 'watered down'. the FA24F engine is a great engine, it can be tuned to make more power then a STI (EJ257 )while also being way more reliable. The VB chassis is rigid and great overall on track, the VB chassis literally came 2nd at the 2024 Goodwood Festival.
Source: Vibes, rumours, feelings. Geez dude youve stepped up from listicles and down to bullshit
Trust me bro
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The brand is better off without WRX bros. In fact no brand is safe for these WRX bros.
271 on 93 = 251 whp now without any tunning put e85 in the tank and you’ll get that 271 whp…. That’s around 300 to the crank and thats crazy
The issue is their low sales. When you look at the numbers, you can understand why the Legacy is gone now and no point to make the STI. Subaru doesn’t have a large financial pocket book like Toyota and Honda to make cars that don’t make them much profits
Honestly I didn’t dig deep into the financials. But with Subaru’s volume they should have the cash on hand to have a loss leader
@@KeltonKozlowski Again, you should do more research. FHI (subaru) is owned in part by toyota, 20% i believe it is up to now. However they are still a very very small company in terms of automanufacturers. Juggernauts like VW, Honda, Toyota, GM etc are sometimes 10x bigger... esp VW, which is absolutely massive and the biggest auto maker in the world. Making a golf GTI, and golf R doesnt matter when they are that big. Its to lure in young customers to make them lifelong.
Porche just announced the Macan 4 and Turbo, both are EVs… the same is happening for the WRX STi.
The Turbo was removed from the lineup in 2023-24 and is coming back for 2025 as a full BEV on a new platform.
It’s only a matter of time
someone had to say it
Got you
That's a 22b not an sti also the mean eye also had 2 facelifts.
I love mine
Subaru has really fell of the map, they should have built new WRX sTi to go against the Corolla GR and Civic type R, massive mistake
I owned a 2005 Impreza WRX STI Colin McRae 555 Limited Edition. Great car but it blew up and I couldn't afford to fix it so let it go for next to nothing. They are worth over £25k now. PS I think it's pronounced "im-pret-zah" rather than "im-prez-ah".
Awesome car but unfortunately the engines tend to do that
@@KeltonKozlowski the EJ207 is now known for ringland, or bearing failure (rod knock).. How long have you been into subarus dude? my guess is you are pretty new..
Want a new STi get a GR Corolla.. Toyota owns a huge stake in Subaru hence why STi doesn't exist alongside with the GR Corolla
Competitors can get along….. RSQ8, Urus… 911, AMG GT….. its more than possible
@@KeltonKozlowski agreed but if you notice, JDM manufacturers don't collaborate so easily. When they used to compete pound for pound Toyota didn't own everything. Even Mitsubishi is RIP now. Nissan looks like they're facing the abyss too financially. Sucks but maybe business culture is different
As a 2020 STI owner I'm pretty much on the look out for a clean bug eye STI or GC8. Subaru isn't going to make another car like WRX STI again and I've excepted that. Don't get me wrong the VB has a lot going for it but I cant get behind the look of it both inside and outside
Why do you put a useless arrow pointing to the car in your thumbnail? Useless arrows amount to clickbait bullshit. Oh well, another channel blocked.
A1 satire
bro there hasnt been a real WRX since like 2014 lmao. these are all Hyundai's
What
Huh?
What are you talking about? Let me guess, it ain't a Subie unless it's a 5-door hatchback.
Heavy, Oversized, open diffs, expensive. there is hardly anything in this vehicle that resembles what a Subaru was all about. its closer to a Hyundai that a Traditional Subaru. that's fine if you wanna sell cars to the masses but nothing to fanboi over. emphasis on weight and open differentials.
broadly speaking they now lack any redeemable quality. its just a disposable vehicle now.
You clearly don’t own a VB. You’re flat out wrong it’s better than the VA and VA STI. You know nothing stop making videos.