"Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans." "Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims" "Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations are made to protect endangered species." Those parts will always stay with me since I first play in game in 2001...
@@reyony I am going to say something that a media reviewer said that resounded with me: "Everyone says it is relevant today... maybe that is because nothing ever really changes" The council of people living today that decide our society exists. Not as a evil James Bond group, but more like a cabal.
@@danhair Look at our US govt... These politicians hold a "Life time Seat" in those positions. They are basically 70 years old going on to 100, still writing laws in their favor while the next and current generation suffers. We have literal dinosaurs who don't know about the digital age we live in, drafting and signing laws for everyone who is not their generation.
It gave my spine chills when I first heard the words “hundred years ago”. I thought the “Mr. President” was shocking in MGS1, but this and now still brings the chills. Seriously! In that age, fighting against a mysterious organization only to find out the folks behind it were long dead. So I had ponder then that if they’re dead, what is keeping their organization alive? MGS4 and even MGS Peace Walker and MGS The Phantom Pain has answered that for me. Still spooky.
The plane that the AI Colnoel & AI Rosemary were refering to, is called the "Mitsubishi J2M Raiden". Allied Reporting name: Jack. Designed & built by "Jiro Horikoshi", the same guy who built the famous "Mitsubishi A6M Zero - Zeke". A total of 621 as were built. There's a sole surviving example, at the "Chino Aviation Museum" in California.
i played this shit when i was like 13-14. most of it went over my head. but the whole truth of raiden crumbling down over him was definitely something that deeply unsettled me.
I absolutely love seeing people's reaction to the end of this game and how truly ahead of it's time it was. The references to what would later become fake news, social media, especially the notion of secluding everyone into their own little truth bubbles and never having to accept anything other than what they think and how social media facilitates that happening on steroids. I think that is the freakiest part; how well it anticipated even the fact that social media and it's algorithms will circulate uselessly trivial or incorrect information, ultimately because it's what gets the most clicks, but moreover, because it's the kind of stuff the average uneducated person is apt to believe, and thus that kind of information forms the amalgamation of their online presence, their beliefs, their "digital self". We can point all around and be like see this says I'm right and this says I'm right and this says I'm right, we also point around and say well this says you're actually wrong, and so does this and this. Which means, as they said, "no one is right but no one is wrong." And because there is so much information that will validate one perspective or another, we never have to surrender any perspective however objectively wrong or make compromise on an objectively wrong position, because all the information turns it into a subjective truth. And as a not to subtle side result other than the direct implications, it means that no one ever has to take blame for anything, or be held accountable, because there's enough information however wrong it may be, to suggest no one is to blame or be held accountable. I used to be a fan of Elon Musk before I realized he is just a capitalist billionaire that is indeed legitmately like every other billionaire, but there is something he said that I still give credit to. He said his biggest fear was that AI would take over and essentially enslave humanity by mere accident or some otherwise non malicious action like simply following it's programing. Sometimes, when I think about how Facebook makes us believe essentially what it wants us to believe, (because it's algorithms propagate clickable and engaging topics, and thus it is those topics it wants us to believe in because they continue to propagate the existence of said algorithms themselves), and how search results and ads have been profiles to each of us specifically based on the data all the algorithms have accumulated - it makes me think that fear of his might already be in the process of happening, or perhaps we really are already controlled by them now. I'm a revolutionary. I think it's worth standing up to corruption and greed, to risk ones safety to speak truth to power. To demand action on the ongoing crises, like climate change. But then when I think about why I feel that way, it makes me wonder - has the system itself just synthesized my personality by exposing me to things that shifted my personality toward that direction? Created a revolutionary that goes against that system because it is the best way to test its capabilities? To provide proof that the system can survive dealing with such radical ideas wanting to dismantle said system? I would be lying if I said the surrealness and implications of if it's happening didn't absolutely terrify me.
You're going through the S3 program, too haha!! You're so right about the story of this game being well ahead of its time, and we could have spent much more time talking about it. If we make our way through the entire series, we hope to do a final recap where we look back on, and discuss, each game. I'm especially excited to talk about MGS2! Thank you for sharing your passion for this series and watching our videos! -Anthony
I did hear about an optimistic approach to this in the book "I, Robot", which basically ended in the robots and A.I. kind of taking over the world, but one where humanity benefits greatly.
you are enacting the dialogue of the last codec, where did you get the idea that elon musk is "just a capitalist billionaire"? what is our alternative to capitalism? the marxism, socialism and communism that spawn the very ideas that are censoring our real world internet today? the political correctness, the useless and false information used to change the morals of wider society so that moral atrocities are in plain sight with not a whisper out of the population that has been lead to believe it is just and true. i don't like everything that elon musk does or has to say but while capitalism isn't perfect and the greed of those in power can cause corruption within it, where is our better alternative? western societies are the wealthiest that humans have ever been in history. All of the echochambers that leak out into wider society are now causing more division between people who are more similar than the war's of culture and gender would have you believe. we should come together in our individualness and celebrate our differences without forming ourselves into tribes that wage idiological war against eachother. Have you noticed that there are just some things that you can't talk about anymore in official settings? and now not even on the internet. people's own corrupted virtue signalling sense of justice has caused everyone to call eachother out over comments made in that persons past to take away their future, ruin their livelyhood and their reputation. An egalitarian web of lies and the push of narratives that only 10 years ago nobody would believe continue to spread and cause divisions between what can be viewed now as an "us and them" war of culture, race and gender when instead we all need to unite in both our commonality and our differences. all sides of this ideological war are to blame in part, both tell their share of lies and push their share of irrational and moral defying agendas. One scene in a video game from over 20 years ago has descibed what looks to be the future we are currently living in, at it's very inception.
On detail I just realized now (even though I played this game since the day it was released...) : the cockroaches steer away from Fortune, wherever she goes. That's because cockroaches use magnetic fields to orientate themselves, so they go around her, just like the bullets do. This game had a lot of impact on me at the time, and still has to this day. I feel like, as some people said, its discourse is more relevant than ever in this day and age... Really enjoyed your playthrough and the way you are very careful with spoilers, and how your community is pretty good at self regulating... gonna go watch MGS 3 now :)
Awesome! Kojima went wild with the details in this game. I remember playing the demo over and over just admiring all of the details, but I never noticed the one you mentioned when I got to the main game! Thank you for the support and for the kind words! -Anthony
@@reyony Oh yeah, no doubt, watching your stream made me discover a few of them (I didn't know the ice cube ones for example) and I probably will discover some others in your MGS 3 play through
@@reyony They are making a remake/remaster or something about MGS 3. I really hope that it will be a success so that we can see remakes/remasters of all of these especially MGS 2 and THIS codec. I would not change anything dialogue wise.
@@danhair I'm optimistic it'll be good, but you know Metal Gear fans, they're passionate!! I can also imagine people ripping it to shreds no matter how good it actually is haha -Anthony
I still dont understand how Kojima and his team created this. Im gonna be honest i didnt understand why Kojima is so popular until i played this. It fucking blows my mind.
2:06:05 - 2:07:10 This is probably one of the most insightful things I've ever heard in a video game when I was 15 years old back in 2001. It's stayed with me for 20 years.
You're totally right. While some of the social commentary in this game was way ahead of its time, but some of the core themes, like the one you linked to, are truly timeless. Thanks for watching and commenting! -Anthony
Imagine the last code call with AI. I was 12 at the time when this game came out. I understand half of what they’re talking about. Btw the marketing for MGS 2 was done perfectly. Not everyone was mad about it but a lot of people were more like :O than angry.
Yeah I remember it being super trippy! Regarding the marketing, I think in the long run it was worth it, and everything worked out well in the end. Thanks for watching! -Anthony
What solidus was speaking at 1:48:51 from what the Voice actor said given the line that was muted. It was suppose to be "I am proud of you Jack." they also cut out of the american flag that would've draped on Solidus like a funeral for a president. (Given he was George Sears) due to 9/11 that happened right near the end of development.
Also the cutscene for "Arsenal Gear Plowing into Manhattan" was cut from the final game. Reason: before the game was released worldwide on Nov.2001, the September 11th attacks in the USA happened. The dev team decided to remove it, because it would scar up the mindset of the American audience.
A lot of people like to talk about the codec conversation between AI Colonel/Rose and Raiden (for good reason) but am I the only one who also likes what Snake says to Raiden and the audience at the end? What do you guys think?
Started to watch your streams on April 30th, funny that. This game has aged like fine wine, man. I first played it when I was 7 so I had no idea what was going on but was still freaked the hell out, gave me nightmares too. I'm glad to see more people are getting into it. Cheers! Also, little fact: At 1:48:57, Solidus was reaching for the American flag and Raiden was ment to cut it down and it was supposed to cover Solidus' body (hence the sound effect when Raiden swiped his sword) But during the game's development, 9/11 occurred so the flag was erased out of respect. It's such a mood, seeing all of this irl footage of pre 9/11 New York and here we are, more than 20 years later with the conflict barely ending.
Loved the playthrough of my all time favourite game! Love how insightful Audrey is and how good her gut is. The one thing I wanna answer/say though that never got answered by chat is regarding Olga calling herself "one of your fans" to Raiden. I'm 99% sure the only reason for this is saying the same thing that Deepthroat said in the first game, he said the same. It's done to further clue in that Shadow Moses is almost repeating and was my big indicator something was off as things felt too familiar, almost to the point of being a rip-off and that clued me there was something more intentional. Obviously mine may be a theory too, but thought I would add it in. You two are easily one of the best game entertainers on TH-cam, shocked you don't have a larger audience, your chemistry on these duo streams is excellent.
Thank you for the very kind words and for watching our videos! Yeah, it's pretty incredible how on point Audrey's predictions are. It was so hard not to react to her and spoil it!! Ohhh good point regarding the "one of your fans" lines. It makes sense that it's just a callback and that would explain why it sticks out a bit. I always thought it was like a reference to how she's forced to obsess over him to protect her child. Thanks again for watching! -Anthony
When I played over 20 years ago, it made me thinking. Even I fall down the conspiracy theories, I starting asking myself. So, I start reading books like about NLP and one of my favourite books was "Doublespeak" by William D. Lutz. Even that book is using outdated thermology from the 80s, it still gives me more questions than answers. Like even an opinion comes to mind, I always asking myself: "Is these thoughts are really mine or someone else?". Like the KGB defecator Yuri Bezmenov said this: (there is YT clips about him) "I was engaged in something much more unpleasant than espionage. I was engaged in ideological subversion, which is seldom explained to people by your media, because the media is part of that process." We humans are still sleepwalking and to wake up of that realization that we're getting fooled, we wouldn't have all these wars. It could be the end of us all. But I rather want to every single person on this planet rather to be free then sleepwalking. The system never liked me. I was dead at birth, came back to life, bullied all my life and the system was really trying destroying me. But still now at the age of 43, I'm still here. Alive. My legacy is to try to pass on these my thoughts and hopefully we can live together peacefully. But we human being are bond to emotions and my late dad said it best on his death bed: "As long there is humans on this planet, the hatred will still exist". I end this comment with a comment from the late Finnish president Urho Kekkonen said this on a tv interview: "Historical truth cannot receive different interpretations, it is always historical truth. But if the history is falsified, it does not give the rise to historical truth, it is always a historical injustice".
Haha thank you!! There's only one chance at a "first experience" and I'm glad that we were able to ensure that Audrey didn't get spoiled! Thanks for watching! -Anthony
im a bit late for this comment, but i really liked the ambiance you two brought during your gameplay!. the last part of this game was really interesting.
I sometimes wonder given the current state of the internet and social media if the selection for societal sanity is even a bad thing. What would you guys choose: Solidus' freedom+anarchy or The Patriots AI's manipulation+stabilty? Also if you like creepy AI voices you should do a playthrough of System Shock 1&2. SHODAN and The Many will really creep you out!
Play this is a kid we had no idea what was going on in the ending. We were just like oh cool fight versus eyepatch guy but I have no idea what these guys are talking about.
I remember playing this as a kid it was like 2 am on a Friday night and I got to this part and got so scared like wtf is going onnnn?? I always thought that Campbell and rose were AI from the beginning of the game. It wasn’t until way later I found out that the ai only takes over st this moment
1:28:05 hideo kojima saw it long , a 2001 game predicted what the future would be like. We "unripe human beings" no longer have the opportunity to decide what should pass to the next generations, because we would only choose the truths that would be more comfortable for us, for the "self” we tell ourselves we are. Genius.
The game definitely holds up and there's lots to ponder regarding the themes and how they may or may not be relevant today. Thanks for watching! -Anthony
Just back for a rewatch - don't know if you learned it by now but I caught the part when Raiden threw away his dog tags, and the moment was kinda dulled because you put your name as 'Raiden' at the beginning. The dog tags were symbolic of the player's control over Raiden as a character, thus depriving him of his own will as an individual as the AI described. At that point, he finally cast away the dog tags, and the player's control, becoming his own man with his own will. You were intended to realize that when you saw your own name on the dog tag. Buuuut now there's MGR so that poignant sentiment is also not as significant as it once was anyway
What a wonderful observation, thank you for pointing it out!! Yeah it's so hard to know what to enter for names, I don't like to insert myself into a game so we just defaulted to Raiden. -Anthony
It mind screwed me becuase of how relevant it is now I never felt killing solidus becuase he was technically the good guy against the patriots control and him killing raidens parents felt out of left field. Definitely kojima trying to add a sympathetic villain
Also, sorry, I deleted your newer comment just in case Audrey doesn't know for sure, yet! We're still making our way through the series!! Thanks for watching -Anthony
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"Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans."
"Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims"
"Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations are made to protect endangered species."
Those parts will always stay with me since I first play in game in 2001...
Way ahead of it's time, huh? Thanks for watching and commenting! -Anthony
@@reyony I am going to say something that a media reviewer said that resounded with me: "Everyone says it is relevant today... maybe that is because nothing ever really changes"
The council of people living today that decide our society exists. Not as a evil James Bond group, but more like a cabal.
@@danhair Look at our US govt... These politicians hold a "Life time Seat" in those positions. They are basically 70 years old going on to 100, still writing laws in their favor while the next and current generation suffers. We have literal dinosaurs who don't know about the digital age we live in, drafting and signing laws for everyone who is not their generation.
The "Last Codec" aged like a fine wine in 2022
It's pretty wild going back to this game, it really holds up in fantastic and, sometimes, disturbing ways. Thanks for watching! -Anthony
It gave my spine chills when I first heard the words “hundred years ago”. I thought the “Mr. President” was shocking in MGS1, but this and now still brings the chills.
Seriously! In that age, fighting against a mysterious organization only to find out the folks behind it were long dead. So I had ponder then that if they’re dead, what is keeping their organization alive?
MGS4 and even MGS Peace Walker and MGS The Phantom Pain has answered that for me. Still spooky.
R.I.P. John Cygan, voice actor of Solidus Snake 🕊 🕊 🕊 🕊 ✝️
Passed away in 2017 due to cancer
Such an amazing performance, too. He will be missed! Thanks for watching! -Anthony
The plane that the AI Colnoel & AI Rosemary were refering to, is called the "Mitsubishi J2M Raiden". Allied Reporting name: Jack. Designed & built by "Jiro Horikoshi", the same guy who built the famous "Mitsubishi A6M Zero - Zeke". A total of 621 as were built. There's a sole surviving example, at the "Chino Aviation Museum" in California.
Whoa those are some very specific references. Thanks for sharing! -Anthony
ZERO and ZEKE?! How many rabbit holes are in here?!
@@espio87 Yeah, all very prominent and important character roles with those names.
i played this shit when i was like 13-14. most of it went over my head. but the whole truth of raiden crumbling down over him was definitely something that deeply unsettled me.
Yeahhh and revisiting it years later, it still has a pretty big impact. Thanks for watching! -Anthony
I absolutely love seeing people's reaction to the end of this game and how truly ahead of it's time it was. The references to what would later become fake news, social media, especially the notion of secluding everyone into their own little truth bubbles and never having to accept anything other than what they think and how social media facilitates that happening on steroids. I think that is the freakiest part; how well it anticipated even the fact that social media and it's algorithms will circulate uselessly trivial or incorrect information, ultimately because it's what gets the most clicks, but moreover, because it's the kind of stuff the average uneducated person is apt to believe, and thus that kind of information forms the amalgamation of their online presence, their beliefs, their "digital self". We can point all around and be like see this says I'm right and this says I'm right and this says I'm right, we also point around and say well this says you're actually wrong, and so does this and this. Which means, as they said, "no one is right but no one is wrong." And because there is so much information that will validate one perspective or another, we never have to surrender any perspective however objectively wrong or make compromise on an objectively wrong position, because all the information turns it into a subjective truth.
And as a not to subtle side result other than the direct implications, it means that no one ever has to take blame for anything, or be held accountable, because there's enough information however wrong it may be, to suggest no one is to blame or be held accountable.
I used to be a fan of Elon Musk before I realized he is just a capitalist billionaire that is indeed legitmately like every other billionaire, but there is something he said that I still give credit to. He said his biggest fear was that AI would take over and essentially enslave humanity by mere accident or some otherwise non malicious action like simply following it's programing. Sometimes, when I think about how Facebook makes us believe essentially what it wants us to believe, (because it's algorithms propagate clickable and engaging topics, and thus it is those topics it wants us to believe in because they continue to propagate the existence of said algorithms themselves), and how search results and ads have been profiles to each of us specifically based on the data all the algorithms have accumulated - it makes me think that fear of his might already be in the process of happening, or perhaps we really are already controlled by them now.
I'm a revolutionary. I think it's worth standing up to corruption and greed, to risk ones safety to speak truth to power. To demand action on the ongoing crises, like climate change. But then when I think about why I feel that way, it makes me wonder - has the system itself just synthesized my personality by exposing me to things that shifted my personality toward that direction? Created a revolutionary that goes against that system because it is the best way to test its capabilities? To provide proof that the system can survive dealing with such radical ideas wanting to dismantle said system? I would be lying if I said the surrealness and implications of if it's happening didn't absolutely terrify me.
You're going through the S3 program, too haha!! You're so right about the story of this game being well ahead of its time, and we could have spent much more time talking about it. If we make our way through the entire series, we hope to do a final recap where we look back on, and discuss, each game. I'm especially excited to talk about MGS2! Thank you for sharing your passion for this series and watching our videos! -Anthony
I did hear about an optimistic approach to this in the book "I, Robot", which basically ended in the robots and A.I. kind of taking over the world, but one where humanity benefits greatly.
you are enacting the dialogue of the last codec, where did you get the idea that elon musk is "just a capitalist billionaire"? what is our alternative to capitalism? the marxism, socialism and communism that spawn the very ideas that are censoring our real world internet today? the political correctness, the useless and false information used to change the morals of wider society so that moral atrocities are in plain sight with not a whisper out of the population that has been lead to believe it is just and true. i don't like everything that elon musk does or has to say but while capitalism isn't perfect and the greed of those in power can cause corruption within it, where is our better alternative? western societies are the wealthiest that humans have ever been in history. All of the echochambers that leak out into wider society are now causing more division between people who are more similar than the war's of culture and gender would have you believe. we should come together in our individualness and celebrate our differences without forming ourselves into tribes that wage idiological war against eachother. Have you noticed that there are just some things that you can't talk about anymore in official settings? and now not even on the internet. people's own corrupted virtue signalling sense of justice has caused everyone to call eachother out over comments made in that persons past to take away their future, ruin their livelyhood and their reputation. An egalitarian web of lies and the push of narratives that only 10 years ago nobody would believe continue to spread and cause divisions between what can be viewed now as an "us and them" war of culture, race and gender when instead we all need to unite in both our commonality and our differences. all sides of this ideological war are to blame in part, both tell their share of lies and push their share of irrational and moral defying agendas. One scene in a video game from over 20 years ago has descibed what looks to be the future we are currently living in, at it's very inception.
@@gent777 Asimov's Robot stories were basically his counter-argument to the "AI is evil" concept.
On detail I just realized now (even though I played this game since the day it was released...) : the cockroaches steer away from Fortune, wherever she goes. That's because cockroaches use magnetic fields to orientate themselves, so they go around her, just like the bullets do.
This game had a lot of impact on me at the time, and still has to this day. I feel like, as some people said, its discourse is more relevant than ever in this day and age...
Really enjoyed your playthrough and the way you are very careful with spoilers, and how your community is pretty good at self regulating... gonna go watch MGS 3 now :)
Awesome! Kojima went wild with the details in this game. I remember playing the demo over and over just admiring all of the details, but I never noticed the one you mentioned when I got to the main game!
Thank you for the support and for the kind words! -Anthony
@@reyony Oh yeah, no doubt, watching your stream made me discover a few of them (I didn't know the ice cube ones for example) and I probably will discover some others in your MGS 3 play through
The final codec is the warning for the future and we are living inside it every single day!
Yeahh pretty ominous listening to it back today! -Anthony
@@reyony They are making a remake/remaster or something about MGS 3. I really hope that it will be a success so that we can see remakes/remasters of all of these especially MGS 2 and THIS codec. I would not change anything dialogue wise.
@@danhair I'm optimistic it'll be good, but you know Metal Gear fans, they're passionate!! I can also imagine people ripping it to shreds no matter how good it actually is haha -Anthony
@@reyony yeah. Twin Snakes comes to mind…
I still dont understand how Kojima and his team created this. Im gonna be honest i didnt understand why Kojima is so popular until i played this. It fucking blows my mind.
The attention to detail is pretty wild! -Anthony
Freemasons worked on it
2:06:05 - 2:07:10
This is probably one of the most insightful things I've ever heard in a video game when I was 15 years old back in 2001. It's stayed with me for 20 years.
You're totally right. While some of the social commentary in this game was way ahead of its time, but some of the core themes, like the one you linked to, are truly timeless. Thanks for watching and commenting! -Anthony
Pardon my French, but Sons of Liberty was indeed one of gaming's BIGGEST mindfucks. Then again, Hideo Kojima just LOVES messing with our heads.
And it still holds up for new players today!! -Anthony
Imagine the last code call with AI. I was 12 at the time when this game came out. I understand half of what they’re talking about. Btw the marketing for MGS 2 was done perfectly. Not everyone was mad about it but a lot of people were more like :O than angry.
Yeah I remember it being super trippy!
Regarding the marketing, I think in the long run it was worth it, and everything worked out well in the end. Thanks for watching! -Anthony
This is the 1984 of video games. This needs a remake ASAP.
This game holds up really well, but it would be cool to see a remake! -Anthony
What solidus was speaking at 1:48:51 from what the Voice actor said given the line that was muted. It was suppose to be "I am proud of you Jack." they also cut out of the american flag that would've draped on Solidus like a funeral for a president. (Given he was George Sears) due to 9/11 that happened right near the end of development.
Ohhh I had heard about that second part but didn't know about the muted dialogue. Thanks for sharing! -Anthony
at 1:31:00.....is where i severely matured as a kid and looked at the world and WOW things have followed suit since then...
So much to process as a kid, and still very relevant today! Thanks for watching! -Anthony
2:18:47 The "fan" thing is in reference to a line of dialogue in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
Ohh so that's the earliest reference. Gotta play those one day! -Anthony
Also the cutscene for "Arsenal Gear Plowing into Manhattan" was cut from the final game. Reason: before the game was released worldwide on Nov.2001, the September 11th attacks in the USA happened. The dev team decided to remove it, because it would scar up the mindset of the American audience.
It makes sense why they'd remove it. Plenty of other things released around that time were modified, too. -Anthony
The cutscene was probably done if it was removed so close to launch. It's a shame it hasn't been leaked anywhere.
A lot of people like to talk about the codec conversation between AI Colonel/Rose and Raiden (for good reason) but am I the only one who also likes what Snake says to Raiden and the audience at the end? What do you guys think?
No, you're not the only one! It's great to have Snake be the one to convey those messages to us at the end. Thanks for watching! -Anthony
5:05 she called it!
Audrey is just too good haha -Anthony
Started to watch your streams on April 30th, funny that.
This game has aged like fine wine, man. I first played it when I was 7 so I had no idea what was going on but was still freaked the hell out, gave me nightmares too.
I'm glad to see more people are getting into it. Cheers!
Also, little fact: At 1:48:57, Solidus was reaching for the American flag and Raiden was ment to cut it down and it was supposed to cover Solidus' body (hence the sound effect when Raiden swiped his sword) But during the game's development, 9/11 occurred so the flag was erased out of respect. It's such a mood, seeing all of this irl footage of pre 9/11 New York and here we are, more than 20 years later with the conflict barely ending.
Nice!! Thanks so much for watching and for that thoughtful. This game has so many iconic moments and memorable imagery, even without that. -Anthony
Loved the playthrough of my all time favourite game! Love how insightful Audrey is and how good her gut is.
The one thing I wanna answer/say though that never got answered by chat is regarding Olga calling herself "one of your fans" to Raiden. I'm 99% sure the only reason for this is saying the same thing that Deepthroat said in the first game, he said the same. It's done to further clue in that Shadow Moses is almost repeating and was my big indicator something was off as things felt too familiar, almost to the point of being a rip-off and that clued me there was something more intentional. Obviously mine may be a theory too, but thought I would add it in.
You two are easily one of the best game entertainers on TH-cam, shocked you don't have a larger audience, your chemistry on these duo streams is excellent.
Thank you for the very kind words and for watching our videos!
Yeah, it's pretty incredible how on point Audrey's predictions are. It was so hard not to react to her and spoil it!!
Ohhh good point regarding the "one of your fans" lines. It makes sense that it's just a callback and that would explain why it sticks out a bit. I always thought it was like a reference to how she's forced to obsess over him to protect her child.
Thanks again for watching! -Anthony
When I played over 20 years ago, it made me thinking. Even I fall down the conspiracy theories, I starting asking myself. So, I start reading books like about NLP and one of my favourite books was "Doublespeak" by William D. Lutz. Even that book is using outdated thermology from the 80s, it still gives me more questions than answers. Like even an opinion comes to mind, I always asking myself: "Is these thoughts are really mine or someone else?". Like the KGB defecator Yuri Bezmenov said this: (there is YT clips about him) "I was engaged in something much more unpleasant than espionage. I was engaged in ideological subversion, which is seldom explained to people by your media, because the media is part of that process."
We humans are still sleepwalking and to wake up of that realization that we're getting fooled, we wouldn't have all these wars. It could be the end of us all. But I rather want to every single person on this planet rather to be free then sleepwalking. The system never liked me. I was dead at birth, came back to life, bullied all my life and the system was really trying destroying me. But still now at the age of 43, I'm still here. Alive. My legacy is to try to pass on these my thoughts and hopefully we can live together peacefully. But we human being are bond to emotions and my late dad said it best on his death bed: "As long there is humans on this planet, the hatred will still exist".
I end this comment with a comment from the late Finnish president Urho Kekkonen said this on a tv interview: "Historical truth cannot receive different interpretations, it is always historical truth. But if the history is falsified, it does not give the rise to historical truth, it is always a historical injustice".
These games have been so influential and continue to be relevant. Thank you for sharing! -Anthony
Allowed her to have such a dope experience, goated boyfriend
Haha thank you!! There's only one chance at a "first experience" and I'm glad that we were able to ensure that Audrey didn't get spoiled! Thanks for watching! -Anthony
im a bit late for this comment, but i really liked the ambiance you two brought during your gameplay!. the last part of this game was really interesting.
Thank you so much for the kind words! We really enjoy being on stream together, and we really appreciate you taking the time to watch! -Anthony
During "the truth" section, mah dude was hit hard, it did to me too, I guess that there is some thing we should not know
Yeah the reveals in this game were wild!! Thanks for watching -Anthony
I sometimes wonder given the current state of the internet and social media if the selection for societal sanity is even a bad thing. What would you guys choose: Solidus' freedom+anarchy or The Patriots AI's manipulation+stabilty?
Also if you like creepy AI voices you should do a playthrough of System Shock 1&2. SHODAN and The Many will really creep you out!
What a terrifying choice haha! Thanks for those game recommendations, we appreciate it! -Anthony
My mans takings all the jokes literally hahaha such a funny dynamic between the two
Haha thanks for watching! -Anthony
Play this is a kid we had no idea what was going on in the ending. We were just like oh cool fight versus eyepatch guy but I have no idea what these guys are talking about.
Hahaha I think same. At least it was cool! -Anthony
Raiden represents the player, that's why the name you enter in the beginning appears on the dog tags at the end
Ah, that's a good point! -Anthony
Fission Mailed
Turn the console off!
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I need scissors! 61!
Haha thanks for commenting! -Anthony
I remember playing this as a kid it was like 2 am on a Friday night and I got to this part and got so scared like wtf is going onnnn??
I always thought that Campbell and rose were AI from the beginning of the game. It wasn’t until way later I found out that the ai only takes over st this moment
It is terrifyingly creepy, for sure! -Anthony
Now that you've finished the game, did you ever notice the movie Eagle Eye is basically a film adaptation of this game? 🤣
We haven't seen that movie! -Anthony
1:28:05 hideo kojima saw it long , a 2001 game predicted what the future would be like. We "unripe human beings" no longer have the opportunity to decide what should pass to the next generations, because we would only choose the truths that would be more comfortable for us, for the "self” we tell ourselves we are. Genius.
The game definitely holds up and there's lots to ponder regarding the themes and how they may or may not be relevant today. Thanks for watching! -Anthony
@@reyony yes, it was a pleasure. 😊
Just back for a rewatch - don't know if you learned it by now but I caught the part when Raiden threw away his dog tags, and the moment was kinda dulled because you put your name as 'Raiden' at the beginning. The dog tags were symbolic of the player's control over Raiden as a character, thus depriving him of his own will as an individual as the AI described. At that point, he finally cast away the dog tags, and the player's control, becoming his own man with his own will. You were intended to realize that when you saw your own name on the dog tag.
Buuuut now there's MGR so that poignant sentiment is also not as significant as it once was anyway
What a wonderful observation, thank you for pointing it out!! Yeah it's so hard to know what to enter for names, I don't like to insert myself into a game so we just defaulted to Raiden. -Anthony
There is no freedom
Sadly, very true. Thanks for watching -Anthony
It mind screwed me becuase of how relevant it is now I never felt killing solidus becuase he was technically the good guy against the patriots control and him killing raidens parents felt out of left field. Definitely kojima trying to add a sympathetic villain
I really do appreciate how complicated the characters are in this series. Thanks for watching! -Anthony
29:28 Why was the Colonel spying on Rose?
Yeah that whole sequence is like, what the hell? Haha thanks for watching!
Nanomachines!
It's always the freakin' nanomachines!!! Thanks for watching and commenting! -Anthony
George washington first president?😅
Im just curious are playing the PS2 or PS3 version?
This is the PS2 "Substance" version played on an original PS2!! Thanks for watching -Anthony
@@reyony I've always loved the PS2 version, no problem great content.
Thanks for the kind words! Yeah, we wanted to go with the original versions for Audrey's first time! -Anthony
Also, sorry, I deleted your newer comment just in case Audrey doesn't know for sure, yet! We're still making our way through the series!! Thanks for watching -Anthony
@@reyony Ok that's fine