LOL having a Kamala ad on my video is pretty funny. I hope to buy ammo someday with some of money she spent on that ad. Anyway, the point of this video is NOT to say that everyone who disagrees with me is wrong, but rather because I wanted to explain how I came to the conclusions that I believe to be true.
Love the analysis. I did think you were going to give your opinion on the Paul harrel series. I assume that's what most of the community references when discussing birdshot for home defense and low wall penetration. The meat target vs gel comparison is also compelling.
I watched Paul's videos about that but I forgot to include mention that part in the video. Sometimes things slip my mind. Could you clarify what you mean about the meat target vs gel comparison?
@@infogunvault6920I was referring to him using "meat targets" instead of gel for penetration testing. While not as measurable and as objective as geI, I think it's valuable because it displays real world results vs correlative that gel penetration relies on. Out of the three rebuttal videos, he seems to have come to the conclusions because: 1. #7 and #4 birdshot didn't penetrate 2 walls with much energy after complete misses. I think this is what many people are more concerned about - the 2 walls that separate you and a neighbor. The 4 walls that 4buck penetrates isn't as attractive. 2. They penetrated deeply enough with front facing shots at typical home range. While it seems that the probability of over penetration is unlikely based on the real world police feedback, the probability of a complete miss appears to be much higher. And considering that the 12" minimum was the answer to a low probability (side-projectile) shot. Front facing penetration deserves a separate analysis. Additionally, as you mentioned with the elifritz study - you have psychological, multiple projectile and rifle "benefits". While not the deadly elite option that 00 is, I think it's still a very good option. Especially if in an apartment or residential area.
6:00 I hate it when I get pistol whipped my ruffians stealing by flat screen TV. It happens every time the DNR release more raccoon up the street... Strange how those two things are always happening together.
Any projectile that can penetrate enough to kill or incapacitate someone will go through walls. if over penetration is such a concern, they should buy Sword and buckler. A Cold Steel Gladius is like $40 bucks.
hmm that spu shooter went to my school first. i saw him the week before scoping out uw in red square. apparently he saw the campus police presence (they were always parked on the side in red square) and decided to go to spu. imo i never understood birdshot. just go with 223 or 545 since it yaws and tumbles after drywall, probably the only rounds that do this, and you dont give up any lethality.
I don't know how much of an advantage the tumbling of .223 and 5.45 is in this situation. The way I see it is that a round is probably only going to go through maybe one wall before it either leaves the house and possibly threatens a bystander or goes into the other room where another inhabitant could be. That may depend on the layout of the house in question of course. Personally, I would worry more about stray rounds hitting propane tanks or gas lines because basically everyone in the area is basically done for.
@@infogunvault6920 well if you live in medium-high density housing/apartments i think it might be helpful. as for gas lines, theyre all usually on ground level/basement and only come up to get to appliances. we had a big propane tank when i grew up out in the countryside. not too worried about bbq propane tanks
LOL having a Kamala ad on my video is pretty funny. I hope to buy ammo someday with some of money she spent on that ad.
Anyway, the point of this video is NOT to say that everyone who disagrees with me is wrong, but rather because I wanted to explain how I came to the conclusions that I believe to be true.
Love the analysis. I did think you were going to give your opinion on the Paul harrel series. I assume that's what most of the community references when discussing birdshot for home defense and low wall penetration.
The meat target vs gel comparison is also compelling.
I watched Paul's videos about that but I forgot to include mention that part in the video. Sometimes things slip my mind.
Could you clarify what you mean about the meat target vs gel comparison?
@@infogunvault6920I was referring to him using "meat targets" instead of gel for penetration testing. While not as measurable and as objective as geI, I think it's valuable because it displays real world results vs correlative that gel penetration relies on.
Out of the three rebuttal videos, he seems to have come to the conclusions because:
1. #7 and #4 birdshot didn't penetrate 2 walls with much energy after complete misses. I think this is what many people are more concerned about - the 2 walls that separate you and a neighbor. The 4 walls that 4buck penetrates isn't as attractive.
2. They penetrated deeply enough with front facing shots at typical home range.
While it seems that the probability of over penetration is unlikely based on the real world police feedback, the probability of a complete miss appears to be much higher.
And considering that the 12" minimum was the answer to a low probability (side-projectile) shot. Front facing penetration deserves a separate analysis. Additionally, as you mentioned with the elifritz study - you have psychological, multiple projectile and rifle "benefits".
While not the deadly elite option that 00 is, I think it's still a very good option. Especially if in an apartment or residential area.
Very informative 👍
Glad you liked it!
6:00 I hate it when I get pistol whipped my ruffians stealing by flat screen TV. It happens every time the DNR release more raccoon up the street...
Strange how those two things are always happening together.
I know right?
Those raccoons are always breaking in and trying to steal the chicken tenders I leave on the shrine to the tendie gods.
Any projectile that can penetrate enough to kill or incapacitate someone will go through walls. if over penetration is such a concern, they should buy Sword and buckler. A Cold Steel Gladius is like $40 bucks.
That is exactly the point. Concerns about penetration through walls should not be prioritized to the detriment of everything else.
@@infogunvault6920 I agree with you.
hmm that spu shooter went to my school first. i saw him the week before scoping out uw in red square. apparently he saw the campus police presence (they were always parked on the side in red square) and decided to go to spu.
imo i never understood birdshot. just go with 223 or 545 since it yaws and tumbles after drywall, probably the only rounds that do this, and you dont give up any lethality.
I don't know how much of an advantage the tumbling of .223 and 5.45 is in this situation. The way I see it is that a round is probably only going to go through maybe one wall before it either leaves the house and possibly threatens a bystander or goes into the other room where another inhabitant could be.
That may depend on the layout of the house in question of course.
Personally, I would worry more about stray rounds hitting propane tanks or gas lines because basically everyone in the area is basically done for.
@@infogunvault6920 well if you live in medium-high density housing/apartments i think it might be helpful. as for gas lines, theyre all usually on ground level/basement and only come up to get to appliances. we had a big propane tank when i grew up out in the countryside. not too worried about bbq propane tanks