What weapons and calibers are best for home defense?

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  • I've been wanting to do this one for a while. I've heard lots of fudd lore about certain calibers not penetrating drywall and I really wanted to see how calibers actually performed. In today's video we put all the weapons and myths to the ultimate test.
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  • @Incredibad5
    @Incredibad5 ปีที่แล้ว +11819

    It would be interesting to see this same test with ballistic dummies in front of the drywall or behind it to see how the penetration is altered after impact on tissue.

    • @Nukem962001
      @Nukem962001 ปีที่แล้ว +306

      This!!!

    • @HollowPoint20
      @HollowPoint20 ปีที่แล้ว +125

      Interesting idea! I’d like to see that.

    • @xxxlonewolf49
      @xxxlonewolf49 ปีที่แล้ว +124

      Better than cardboard, just more costly

    • @RighteousJ
      @RighteousJ ปีที่แล้ว +201

      I was honestly expecting to see this given the effort they put into building all those false walls.
      To go even further with this, in an actual scenario, there is also the potential for fiberglass insulation being present inside the walls for various reasons, which - due to its inherently inconsistent density - adds an additional factor to the physics of ballistic behavior. Granted, this mainly applies to commercial/educational environments and not residential due to the insulation serving as a passive soundproofing measure more than anything else, but statistically speaking, it's a far more common scenario one would encounter.
      Citation: I'm a construction worker and I often wonder about this very concept on the job.
      Edit: regarding commercial/educational environments specifically, the studs used in the walls are made of sheet metal and not wood.
      In these cases, the studs will not, in fact, stop movement of a projectile in the same way wood does.

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla ปีที่แล้ว +87

      Paul Harrell has an entire video where he did something like that, albeit with his “Meat Target” to simulate a person.

  • @Drillz007
    @Drillz007 ปีที่แล้ว +1926

    This is why the mounted cannon at the top of the stairs makes so much sense
    your shooting on a downward angle into an area of limited movement
    simply tactical genius

    • @bw73
      @bw73 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Mounted machine gun with a cannon attachment. Double tap go brrrr

    • @Agent4077
      @Agent4077 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      loaded with grape shot

    • @KorporalNoobs
      @KorporalNoobs ปีที่แล้ว +46

      I just keep my tank in the backyard with the barrel in the living room. The muzzle break covers kitchen and floor, which is very convenient.

    • @Jingu.S
      @Jingu.S ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Just as the founding fathers intended.

    • @eminesdh
      @eminesdh ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yeah like a bofors 40mm

  • @themechanik8767
    @themechanik8767 ปีที่แล้ว +1214

    Here in Germany our walls are made of concrete and the easyest weapon to get is a flintlock, so would be interesting to see how that goes.

    • @scabcrawler632
      @scabcrawler632 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Dig my sig p6 German

    • @derkonig162
      @derkonig162 ปีที่แล้ว

      well your concrete walls dont protect you from being rap.ed by arabs and africans.

    • @bendover6987
      @bendover6987 ปีที่แล้ว +171

      Dont worry Nato will protect you

    • @dingus6317
      @dingus6317 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@bendover6987 I think France and Germany should unify

    • @mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168
      @mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 ปีที่แล้ว +218

      ​@@dingus6317 they did that for a while, didn't go so well

  • @s00-x2h
    @s00-x2h 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

    Volquartsen .22 (Ruger Mk IV equivalent) w/ JK Armament can
    2:43 ONE layer of drywall
    3:20 TWO layers of drywall
    S&W M&P 2.0 9mm
    3:35 FMJ (went through TWO layers of drywall with a target between and after)
    4:12 G9 External HP 80gr (same result)
    4:35 Norma MHP 108gr (ditto)
    4:50 MHP vs FOUR layers of drywall (all the way through)
    1911 .45
    5:33 FOUR layers of drywall
    Beretta 1301 12ga
    5:49 Federal Flite Control 00 buck (clean through but one of the pellets was stopped by a stud in the 4th drywall)
    6:58 sabot slug (didn't care lol)
    5.56 SBR
    7:23 M193 (travelling sideways after 2nd drywall and diverted out)
    8:00 M193 #2 (sideways by the 4th drywall)
    8:36 AAC V-Max, so (broke into 2 pieces, one stopped by 2nd drywall, the other stopped by the 3rd)
    9:27 AAC 77gr OTM (sideways after 2nd drywall and stopped by 3rd)
    KUSA KR-103 7.62×39
    10:01 FMJ (sideways after 3rd drywall and went clean through the 4th)
    Sig MCX LVAW .300 BLK
    10:36 Subsonic 220gr (didn't say, don't see smoke after the 4th drywall so assuming it didn't go that far)
    .45-70 Government
    10:56 clean through lol
    M1 Garand .30-06
    11:24 ditto (sideways through the 4th drywall though)
    11:52 Upham?
    H&K MR762A1 .308 Win
    12:25 ditto
    AI .300 Win Mag
    13:05 exited after 3rd drywall
    13:15 tumbling after 2nd drywall and went clean through all 4 drywalls
    13:40 Summary

    • @atracin
      @atracin 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      God bless thanks for this 🙏

  • @Adam-rs4en
    @Adam-rs4en ปีที่แล้ว +563

    Paul Harrell did a great test and landed on #4 buck shot as being both exceedingly effective on soft targets and very low in wall penetration.

    • @Melj945
      @Melj945 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shut up boomer 😂

    • @offcourseoverland
      @offcourseoverland ปีที่แล้ว +113

      Paul has a great method of showing real world effects with nothing but flannel, oranges and pork ribs 😆

    • @entropy11
      @entropy11 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      That's good because #4 is the minimum recommended for achieving enough penetration in badguys for effectiveness. Personally I like #1. 00 Buck is, imo, suitable for military and outdoor activities but not so much for home defense.

    • @swindle9695
      @swindle9695 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@offcourseoverland Man, I would love to go to a Paul Harrel cookout. Tangy orange barbeque pork ribs (don't mind the bits of lead in them.)

    • @gratefulguy4130
      @gratefulguy4130 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      ​@@offcourseoverland those materials are actually superior to ballistics gel if you really want to see what would happen.

  • @libertarian1637
    @libertarian1637 ปีที่แล้ว +381

    FBI did a similar test years ago; they found .223 along with #4 Buckshot being the best rounds for lethality with limited over-penetration. The worst rounds were shotgun slugs, 00 Buckshot, and quite a few handgun rounds. This is a big reason to actually make a defensive plan with regard to your home defense, to include knowing where your family is, and what avenues you can safely shoot in. As a LEO we also have done a few independent tests with different ammunition and it can be somewhat surprising just how far things can go and just what some items can stop; I still recall just how well some soda/water vending machines are at providing excellent cover.

    • @raisagorbachov
      @raisagorbachov ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Bookshelves are excellent cover too.

    • @xostler
      @xostler ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Has Papa Thumb done a cover and concealment video? I’d love to see training for urban cover and how different objects and surfaces do

    • @patterisepi
      @patterisepi ปีที่แล้ว

      What a piece of sh** country to live in when you have to think things like that.

    • @pineychristian
      @pineychristian ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I highly doubt .223 would be considered a good round to not over penetrate through a standing drywall wall. I personally shot junk cars from 100 yards with 55gr .223 they go through the car. Meaning I shot pass door and comes out drivers door from a 100 yards. Keep in mind it also went through the interior door panels. Sheet rock is nothing for a round that goes over 3000 fps ....

    • @--emt
      @--emt ปีที่แล้ว +2

      LEO lol😂

  • @BababooeyYcho66T
    @BababooeyYcho66T ปีที่แล้ว +702

    As someone who plans to live in an underground bunker with 12 foot thick steel outer walls and 6 foot thick inner concrete walls, this is extremely helpful. Thank you Garand Thumb!

    • @bretterful
      @bretterful ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Lmfao

    • @eschenn1
      @eschenn1 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      A garden hose defeats your bunker ha

    • @DaDaDo661
      @DaDaDo661 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gonna fart in your ventilation system

    • @guytech7310
      @guytech7310 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Lets test Artillery rounds and Bunker busters just to be safe! You never know when the neighbor next door is sporting a m777 in their backyard!

    • @ItsMeeJon
      @ItsMeeJon ปีที่แล้ว +14

      12 foot thick steel? Good luck with that

  • @oneonlyxram
    @oneonlyxram ปีที่แล้ว +357

    I know this is mostly internal walls, but, it would be interesting to see how they handle exterior walls with insulation and maybe an external stucco wall.

    • @goud2488
      @goud2488 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Drive by scenario

    • @oneonlyxram
      @oneonlyxram ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @goud2488 that or, shooting at someone inside and penetrating through the exterior wall.

    • @adventureswithbobbles6489
      @adventureswithbobbles6489 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Actually I was thinking the same thing here. When someone is breaking into the house. Yes we do have internal walls. But eventually it’s going to hit a external wall with insulation, some kind of siding on the outside!
      I was hoping to see the debate with a ar15 be debunked with internal walls only. However this test was inefficient with home protection!

    • @thomastaylor5239
      @thomastaylor5239 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interior walls, internal walls are in the chest cavity

    • @oneonlyxram
      @oneonlyxram ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thomastaylor5239 huh?

  • @DutchTraveler
    @DutchTraveler ปีที่แล้ว +450

    When I did construction, one of the jobs I did was installing bulletproof “plywood”. There are 8 or 9 levels, and we were installing level 1, which is rated to stop 9mm from what we were told. I’d like to see Garand Thumb get a hold on the different levels and test them. It won’t be cheap, unfortunately.

    • @Finman78
      @Finman78 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Bulletproof plywood? Any idea what it’s called?

    • @WojciechP915
      @WojciechP915 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@Finman78He is making up words. You can however buy 4x8 1/2 thick sheets of fiberglass which will stop pistol calibers.

    • @xtelevisionset
      @xtelevisionset ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Just line your walls with bookshelves

    • @jmoneyman8218
      @jmoneyman8218 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Finman78 probably bullet proof wood

    • @vitogriffin8902
      @vitogriffin8902 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@Finman78 there's several different products... plywood (beech), plywood (birch) with kevlar or carbon fiber, fiberglass and some other crap.. google would be your friend on this one because there's several different types made in different places so availability is limited on some.

  • @inskinov412
    @inskinov412 ปีที่แล้ว +229

    Private contractor here.
    Almost every renovation I've done has involved installing new drywall and I'm always thinking of how fragile American homes are, I appreciate this.

    • @TheOleOtter
      @TheOleOtter ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's easy to fix though, just more expensive. I want to use 2x6 for my exterior and interior walls, and you can make the insides stronger with various materials just more expensive than the average person that doesn't have the fear of shooting through an apartment. Can't say houses because you have plywood, Siding, etc.

    • @inskinov412
      @inskinov412 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @The Ole Otter Now I'm interested what the results would be with insulation, Plywood, and various exterior siding. To add to what you said, last year an entire lot of houses had the sidding ripped off from WA wind, New homes and materials used are inferior.

    • @kellymoses8566
      @kellymoses8566 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      US stick framing is as strong as it needs to be, and dry wall doesn't actually get damaged that often and is very easy to repair.

    • @inskinov412
      @inskinov412 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Kelly Moses Nowadays, it's all about how cheap, easy, and inexpensive. We can build these houses while making them as strong as they NEED to be.

    • @Jcaeser187
      @Jcaeser187 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@inskinov412 I hate how cheaply it all feels now. we only value ourselves on how much we produce and consume, its depressing having such an issue be reflected in everything, even my walls.

  • @Welterino
    @Welterino ปีที่แล้ว +365

    fun fact: all internal walls in Brazil are solid brick walls with a layer of concrete on both sides to smooth it out, so you can use even 7.62x51 for home defense, too bad you will go bankrupt just by firing a few rounds beucase they cost 5~6 USD per shot around here.

    • @ngcf4238
      @ngcf4238 ปีที่แล้ว +107

      You would also have to live in Brazil...

    • @soundslikesight7876
      @soundslikesight7876 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      CBC Ammo is such good Brazilian made stuff too. Is it all taxes?

    • @thejuggercat
      @thejuggercat ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Ive seen some homes have exposed bricks,which showed there being concrete inside the bricks too.
      So,depending on the house,you might as well say ".50 BMG no balls" lmao

    • @Butter_Warrior99
      @Butter_Warrior99 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      So every house is effectively a pill box. Neat.

    • @alyoshathedorkknight6110
      @alyoshathedorkknight6110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How are Brazilian gun laws btw ??

  • @RichardLukafire
    @RichardLukafire ปีที่แล้ว +188

    Recently bought a 20 gauge short form shotgun form our local gun shop. His recommended ammo to our surprise for home defense was birdshot . His reasoning was that you will be in close quarters, probably a few yards away and that you don't want projectiles going through walls and injuring unintended targets.

    • @brendanstreat8553
      @brendanstreat8553 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      that’s a good point, some people like putting birdshot and buckshot in the tube in a specific order

    • @andrewmorgan6074
      @andrewmorgan6074 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Birdshot, buckshot, birdshot, buckshot, slugs for the last few, how ever many your shotgun can carry. Just know you target and what's behind it always.

    • @Lefty217
      @Lefty217 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      20Ga Birdshot will not kill a man.

    • @LongWalker730
      @LongWalker730 ปีที่แล้ว +94

      @@Lefty217 you're right, getting shot with birdshot within 10 yards is a fate worse than death.

    • @phillydelphia8760
      @phillydelphia8760 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      ​@@Lefty217 would you wanna test that theory out by standing in front of a 20ga loaded with bird shot? Cus I sure as hell wouldn't 😆

  • @grumpyoldretiredcop8382
    @grumpyoldretiredcop8382 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    Years ago, I worked on a test for an LE agency trying to determine what platform/round would be best for use in a historic courthouse. EVERY 9MM and 5.56 round tested did what you saw. Even frangibles like the Glaser Safety Slug (remember them?) penetrated several walls. Looks like nothing much has changed. Unfortunately, we couldn't play with things like the Garand, Magnum rifles and of course the .300 Blackout wasn't even a dream in AAC's eye, so those were interesting to see. Very fun to watch and very good demonstration - you guys rock with some great and creative content!

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I picked up a mobile home, and wanted to shoot the 50 through it long ways. But no way to contain for every ricochet possibility.

    • @johnnemo6509
      @johnnemo6509 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@robertsmith2956 attempted joke alert "I picked up a mobile home" Damn! You're strong! You don't need a gun to defend yourself. BTW shooting through a mobile home is very dangerous, there is a very good chance you'll hit a meth lab Boom!

    • @PavewayJDAM
      @PavewayJDAM ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Back in the day I did a similar demonstration to finally get admin to authorize patrol rifles to supplement shotguns. The over penetration concern of rifles died off when the 40 pistols performed even better in going through all walls.

  • @nathantroyer6956
    @nathantroyer6956 ปีที่แล้ว +359

    Would love to see this with insulation, vinyl siding. And brick walls. A "neighbors safety test"

    • @TheAnnoyingBoss
      @TheAnnoyingBoss ปีที่แล้ว +6

      With the distance between the average suburban home inbetween.
      Its complicated man. The only way to get a real test os to test in a real neighborhood because in my neighborhood there isnt hoa making evrtyone build the same so spots are all build different and soke dont look like the others and are built with different materials. This is a wall and we have to remember there is things lock block wall, wood fenses, plastic fenses. Some people frame with wood some framed aluminum. I think this video is more applkcable to a situation like an apartment complex where if an m1 garand goes off in a bedroom it might go through 5 bedrooms 😂 or out the back across into the back of another apartment complex.
      If its ww3 thats what you want to win we need guns that can shoot through walls. Sometimes you need a gun that will shoot through 4 people sometimes you dont want to penetrate fully through one person.

    • @wilhelmw9149
      @wilhelmw9149 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Paul herrel(?) I can't remember how to spell his last name did this test and he had a exterior wall in his test if I remember correctly

    • @alfrede.newman1838
      @alfrede.newman1838 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      How about some form of Kevlar barrier layer added to an existing drywall?

    • @Razor773_YT
      @Razor773_YT ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah I was thinking the same thing too. There are a lot of materials that go into houses, it would be interesting to see how they all interact with each other

    • @johnmerlino7133
      @johnmerlino7133 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/7VeqqNuQU_4/w-d-xo.html

  • @Jeffy2n
    @Jeffy2n ปีที่แล้ว +375

    This is a very helpful test here. If I can pass along a piece of advice I got from my local Sheriffs department training center (Yes, My county runs a training center for Civilians). They said that if your going to use a firearm inside your house, to go through that house and Identify any wall that could lead to a family members room, and on that wall hang pictures of your family (Or people) and on the wall that do not, hang pictures of scenery or flowers and such.
    This way in the middle of the night when (God forbid) you have to shoot at an intruder you can quickly know if that is a safe or not safe wall.

    • @PrinceOfTheCity1
      @PrinceOfTheCity1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That’s not a bad idea but you can also just use hollow tips and not worry about penetrating walls

    • @davidmorales7371
      @davidmorales7371 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Sounds it's better to hang family pictures on walls that lead to family and nothing on walls that don't. Minimizes the amount of recognition/identification you need to do. Just turns into pictures=don't shoot and no pictures=shoot

    • @eddietonore2813
      @eddietonore2813 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@PrinceOfTheCity1 Did you Watch the video??

    • @christophermercer2632
      @christophermercer2632 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@PrinceOfTheCity1”hollow tips”

    • @eddietonore2813
      @eddietonore2813 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @Narendra He’s commenting on a video that disproves his comment. 🤣🤣

  • @Holy_Knight221
    @Holy_Knight221 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    German Brickwall: *shoots back*

  • @fell9654
    @fell9654 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Everyone knew 2 things going in: the drywall would fail miserably, and the conversation would be hilarious

    • @terdferg
      @terdferg ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Ok so 9mm HP went right through.... Ok next up .308...

  • @cbigg81
    @cbigg81 ปีที่แล้ว +765

    When we played around with this we were using our carry ammo in our duty weapons. We learned there was a big difference between interior and exterior walls (and how many walls) due to the insulation and siding. Many rounds made it outside but were deflected and key-holing. Really what we learned was don't miss the intended target so you don't kill the neighbor's dog.

    • @thomasfarrish8053
      @thomasfarrish8053 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Unless you're ATF, in which case that was the intent.

    • @Bestgameplayer10
      @Bestgameplayer10 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @RawBot I don’t get why people act like Birdshot would do nothing.

    • @matrix3509
      @matrix3509 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bestgameplayer10 Because a crackhead or someone out of their minds on meth don't actually give a shit about being hit with birdshot.

    • @717UT
      @717UT ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The primary difference would be exterior walls have OSB sheathing with possibly quite sturdy siding (other than something like vinyl).

    • @anthonygerber8261
      @anthonygerber8261 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Bestgameplayer10especially at self-defense distances inside your home.

  • @bullheadedgideon1673
    @bullheadedgideon1673 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    These two are my favorite duo, absolutely hands down. I love the constant sarcasm and jokes while watching these kinds of videos.
    Great content, guys. Please keep it up.

    • @jeffsorrows
      @jeffsorrows ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "This is the AWP from counter strike!" In another life we would be soulmates!

  • @MrClearbox
    @MrClearbox ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Great test guys. My takeaway was that no rounds (including the 22) are really home defense safe if you don't have good discipline, muzzle and trigger control. Honestly, even the idea that you might hit the intruder and still be at great risk for tagging something or someone you don't want to was re-enforced by this video. As a responsible gun owner, I will keep training and keep learning so that if god forbid I'm faced with a decision - I make the right one to cause the least casualty possible.

    • @CarlosPEnis
      @CarlosPEnis ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Exactly. No round is "danger" proof. The best course of action is to know your house inside and out blindfolded (wall/door thickness and general layout, where your family is) so you can rely on recall in moments of high stress and the disorientation of being woken up in the middle of the night. Practice so you can act on instinct and have a gameplan. Or at least try. You don't know how things will go when stress kicks in but I think that's your biggest hurdle to overcome if your goal is to neutralize a threat within your home in the safest way possible

    • @101airborne07
      @101airborne07 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Maybe speak to your family about in case of intruder, go to X place that way everyone is at the back of the house and the intruder is always in front of you. Of course not every situation is ideal but it helps if everyone has a plan before hand and knows where to be so in case ammo starts flying nobody is at risk of injury other than the intruder.

  • @AggiePhil
    @AggiePhil ปีที่แล้ว +230

    Angles are important inside structures. If you’ve ever walked through a house under construction before drywall goes in, you know that most sight lines from room to room are obstructed by studs. I’d like to see this test repeated in an actual house or with the walls mocked up like actual walls (instead of all in a straight line). I think the chances of your bullets hitting studs are a lot better than this test suggests.

    • @bronsontolliver9027
      @bronsontolliver9027 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      I install showers in track built neighborhoods and I can confirm that a framed house with no drywall is a lot more opaque than people assume.

    • @RockyMountainWest13
      @RockyMountainWest13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very true

    • @Scroolewse
      @Scroolewse ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It would be really hard to set up a perfectly realistic scenario.

    • @sirjolly81
      @sirjolly81 ปีที่แล้ว

      FPS Russia :P
      th-cam.com/video/6pVDbc5BXlg/w-d-xo.html

    • @billy_fred
      @billy_fred ปีที่แล้ว +7

      every time i stand in a hallway the view is obstructed by a stud

  • @theletter850
    @theletter850 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    I personally keep a m203 with HE rounds and a flamethrower for home defense. But only if the roomba claymore doesn’t get them first.

    • @bmr7776
      @bmr7776 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This comment had me dying 😂😂 the freaking Roomba claymore lmao

    • @paulwilliams667
      @paulwilliams667 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Claymores are a part of any reasonable home defense plan.

    • @F_lippy
      @F_lippy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@danLT if it was good enough to keep Charlie out it's good enough for me

  • @TimAPearson
    @TimAPearson ปีที่แล้ว +341

    You guys are dominating the creative content in the gun scene right now!

    • @quitcallinmebill1699
      @quitcallinmebill1699 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Actually Samuel hydek is. Check out his explosion

    • @tyler1776.
      @tyler1776. ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@Quit callin me Bill who?

    • @jennataylor8250
      @jennataylor8250 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      DemoRanch already did something like this weeks ago

    • @MrAngenos
      @MrAngenos ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea right after Matt!

    • @SasquatchPNW
      @SasquatchPNW ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Paul Harrell did this 3 years ago as well.

  • @vapidengage
    @vapidengage ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Would love to see different filler to simulate furnished rooms. Adding bookshelves etc. in strategic places could possibly come in handy in a situation when you actually have to defend yourself at home

    • @Slimpicken
      @Slimpicken ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good point

    • @sinisterthoughts2896
      @sinisterthoughts2896 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's actually a really good point. Plan on adding dampening effects in critical areas.

    • @James_Bee
      @James_Bee ปีที่แล้ว

      Paul Harrell did a video using cars as cover and nowhere was safe. Even the engine block didn't stop most rounds, though it had the most success. I doubt furniture is going to do much.

    • @alanr4845
      @alanr4845 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tactical bookshelves 😂

  • @seanedwards6169
    @seanedwards6169 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    Paul Harrel did a test like this and he got really good results with a shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot. If I recall correctly it would just barely penetrate one wall but not go through two walls. Seems like a very good self defense choice. #4 buck has like 27 pellets that are each about the size of a .22 round.

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I have 12 gauge shells loaded with 20k steel pellets. Will not penetrate, but if fool is wearing a face shield it will become opaque instantly blinding them.
      Know your enemies tactics, and use them against them.

    • @oldplace2844
      @oldplace2844 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      He did birdshot too, to good effect. Inside the home, 12ga with either #4 buck or even #4 birdshot is simply terrifying under 30ft. But will still slow down by the time you hit the walls.

    • @DaveSmith-cp5kj
      @DaveSmith-cp5kj ปีที่แล้ว +5

      #4 buckshot is to be avoided. It was popular in LE for a very short time but it has issues stopping reliably. While it penetrates well in gel and will be a lethal hit, the issue is that bone like the ribcage tends to deflect the pellets so you don't get as fast of a stop as a handgun would provide. I would stick to an AR in 5.56 with a ballistic tip like vmax instead, or regular 00 if one only has a shotgun.

    • @Defossion1
      @Defossion1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      th-cam.com/video/Qw8IiRgSMFQ/w-d-xo.html Paul Harrell's test from 3 years ago.

    • @ds6872
      @ds6872 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ​@Dave Smith if the ribs stop a few, the other twenty something should still get'm 👍

  • @dylandos
    @dylandos ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I ran into these dudes in the woods doing this years ago. They had built a whole bunch of walls and lined them all up. Then had purchased all these different brands and weights of 9 mill and were looking for which one penetrated the least. I want to say it was Gold Dot.

  • @erikthered9357
    @erikthered9357 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    The exterior walls of modern homes will have some sort of 1/2" or 5/8" plywood/OSB then 1/2" siding and/or brick or vinyl. Barrier walls between apartments is generally 2 layers of 5/8" sheetrock on each side. I would be interested in how those configs stand up to your tests.

    • @goudawgs
      @goudawgs ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Not necessarily true for connected units like townhomes or condos though.

    • @PP-uv1kw
      @PP-uv1kw ปีที่แล้ว +11

      trash construction..... wont even stop your bed "squeeks"

    • @TheAhirishman
      @TheAhirishman ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@goudawgs partition walls usually require fire rated drywall on walls and fire rated plywood on roof above walls. Dont know how much of a difference itll make but FR drywall is some hard shit...like aarons weiner

    • @bigdaddy4691
      @bigdaddy4691 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@TheAhirishman FR drywall is just 1/8" thicker drywall. You should generally insulate the walls and have a minimum 1" air gap. FR drywall is not that hard. I have built a few duplexes, and condos. I wouldn't bet my life on the firewall.

    • @nebur90716
      @nebur90716 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also what about insulation? I feel like that would slow down hollow points

  • @joshuamahurin5682
    @joshuamahurin5682 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So glad you mentioned the M&P I have to stick up for it all the time with my friends

    • @TGG239
      @TGG239 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love my M&P 2.0 Metal

  • @colinhess8900
    @colinhess8900 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Having done my fair share of residential construction, it was always my opinion that any concern with stray bullets in a home should be limited to risk of over penetration. If you miss, as we just saw, the bullet will likely exit the house. Or at least go from one end to the other before hitting sheathing/siding. So assessing your risk of over penetration is a better use of your time and ammo. As well as figuring out your angles of approach while clearing your house, so you know where everyone/everything you don’t want shot are. Including the bullets coming from the ”bad guy”. Bullets sailing through drywall works both ways gents.

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And don't forget random change of direction as bullets pass through stuff. Illustrated in the video above.

    • @dazzling3237
      @dazzling3237 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's a lot of thinking and training for the average gun owner, who has literally zero training of any kind.

    • @Muricanwerewolf
      @Muricanwerewolf ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dazzling3237 Yeah I'm thinking just get the job done with as much accuracy as possible and pray on the rest.

    • @ilykeey9827
      @ilykeey9827 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      if you had experience with “residential construction” you would know these walls are only wooden frame and drywall, these walls are incomplete and it doesn’t simulate a bullet going into a house rather as a bullet being shot inside an incomplete house

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ilykeey9827 So what else in a US house would stop the bullet?

  • @mikehollinger2600
    @mikehollinger2600 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    For those asking, I have tested closed cell foam insulation attached to drywall, and the cultured stone siding. They do very little against even pistol shots. Heat of rounds melts through foam like it isn’t even there.

    • @UnknownSovereignty
      @UnknownSovereignty ปีที่แล้ว +14

      these materials arent even designed with penetration in mind. You can slap a piece of drywall and it will snap. anyone that has worked with basic home materials should know that even a a ramset can shoot shit through a wall. Thats a .22 firing a nail

    • @kawika8437
      @kawika8437 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Good thing I saw this comment before making a fool of myself by asking lol

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 ปีที่แล้ว

      What about that duraROCK insulation. LOL

  • @defenderofpoodles5606
    @defenderofpoodles5606 ปีที่แล้ว +230

    Great video. My one suggestion- you should have also tested the .22 from a rifle, which I believe would have penetrated all four walls.

    • @knrz2562
      @knrz2562 ปีที่แล้ว

      22 supersonic>+p

    • @sonofnone116
      @sonofnone116 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      & still make the hit on a coke can at 710 yards?

    • @ryanfirmin4805
      @ryanfirmin4805 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@sonofnone116 I came here to say this but knew in my head it had already been said….

    • @PhilJLF
      @PhilJLF ปีที่แล้ว +2

      22 TCM lol

    • @firesupport162
      @firesupport162 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same I just got a .22 Lr from Mossberg love it superb zero from the box

  • @micahmorton
    @micahmorton ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The best part about stopping a home intruder with almost any of these weapons is the ringing in your ears for the next hour. After watching your .22 video, I'm sold.

    • @Austrveg
      @Austrveg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      300blk sub, supressor

  • @zachcollins444
    @zachcollins444 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I would like to see a 5.7x28 tested to see if that fast light round would stop sooner. Would also like to see a ballistics dummy added to test over penetration when you hit someone.

    • @mrmoose6765
      @mrmoose6765 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I want to see the 27 grain hollow point, i have that loaded in a few mags. I've seen videos of it going through bullet proof glass.

    • @4lbert859j
      @4lbert859j ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Was a little disappointed not seeing it on here.

    • @antonkovalev4151
      @antonkovalev4151 ปีที่แล้ว

      5.7 ignores wood. It is a very fast round which was developed to pierce through body armor. The difference to the energy between rifle 5.56 and 5.7x28 is only proportional to mass, so unless you have some serious thickness of wood 5.7 will just go through. It has less stopping power, but it penetrates hard. Do not consider it to be a safe ammo to use in terms of home defense. It only stops on several layers of wood (round becomes unstable, yet still might cause a serious injury and it makes 5.7 even a less suitable ammo for home defense, since you don't know where your bullet will fly after a 2nd wall ) and it can't penetrate a brickwall

  • @davidbecquer3624
    @davidbecquer3624 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    European here. The irony is we don't have guns but we do have brick/concrete walls that can stop 5.56. Greetigs from France gents, keep up the great content!

    • @myboysd5772
      @myboysd5772 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      European here. We do actually have guns, ranking by country for civilian-held firearms per 100 population Finland sits in the 10th place with 32.4 guns in a survey made in 2017.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

    • @SGTcz90cz
      @SGTcz90cz ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I love the smell of freedom in the evening!

    • @cvdubya5774
      @cvdubya5774 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@MyBoys D AND you guys can easily own short barrel rifles and silencers if im not mistaken? Here in the US we can own them but have to pay a $200 tax, wait up to 18 months for approval and go on a federal registry, which I refuse to do. It boggles my mind we aren't allowed to buy silencers over the counter for hunting purposes.

    • @cyruswoolard3737
      @cyruswoolard3737 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@cvdubya5774 js nfa items are down to about an 8 months wait time now. Just did the forms for a can yesterday

    • @Crystallized629
      @Crystallized629 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cvdubya5774 Depends on thr Country. In Germany everything is strongly regulated. Im not a hunter so it is impossible for me own a silencer. Oh and we aren't even allowed to use a flashlight on our guns, or nightvision.

  • @PewTube24
    @PewTube24 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    I’d love to see this again with a gel torso to simulate over penetration if you do hit your target

    • @ryanzucker8345
      @ryanzucker8345 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Was gonna comment this but then saw your comment. Bump this comment up and let’s see them re-run the test!

    • @ryanzucker8345
      @ryanzucker8345 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stevexracer4309 true. Anything that can go through a bad guy will most certainly go through the wall after. But it would be interesting to see how much energy and damage the bullet is capable of after the fact.

  • @5loaves2fish93
    @5loaves2fish93 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is actually extremely important info and im surprised this vid doesnt have more views. Thanks guys!

  • @nates9536
    @nates9536 ปีที่แล้ว +186

    Would love to see the same test done for shotguns exclusively. Testing different pellet sizes from birdshot to 00Buck like we saw here.
    Many people say #4 loads are the "magic" load that is lethal but low wall penetration

    • @Ironsight_Army
      @Ironsight_Army ปีที่แล้ว +6

      #4 buckshot FTW

    • @MB-jg4tr
      @MB-jg4tr ปีที่แล้ว +3

      4Buck is excellent for HD, but it's still gonna go through all that drywall.

    • @MisterNi
      @MisterNi ปีที่แล้ว +13

      The "magic" load is don't miss what you're shooting at. Yeah that's easier said than done and not everyone is trained to that degree, but as far as I'm concerned shooting a home intruder is better than hitting a family member or neighbor due to firing wildly into the dark.

    • @BradYaeger
      @BradYaeger ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Paul Herrel has a video doing that

    • @dplorbl
      @dplorbl ปีที่แล้ว

      # 7 lead birdshot followed by 00
      Dropped & Finished
      😉

  • @leehrvyoswld
    @leehrvyoswld ปีที่แล้ว +89

    REALLY interested in a long version of this with various common wall configs and angular testing.
    Because I've definitely seen a 9mm hollow point get hung up on first layer of drywall at a low (sub 30°) angle.

    • @mjbranch2109
      @mjbranch2109 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      answer: its drywall

    • @krrrruptidsoless
      @krrrruptidsoless ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Vigilance elite did some testing like this a year or more ago with stuff in front/behind and inside the wall if I recall

    • @leehrvyoswld
      @leehrvyoswld ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@stevexracer4309 Idk if you can't read, but I literally just said I've seen drywall stop a 9mm hollow point at a low angle.

  • @Freehotdawgs
    @Freehotdawgs ปีที่แล้ว +196

    I’d like to see this test done some more with subsonic, frangible rounds, etc. This video/topic is actually pretty important knowledge.

    • @GospelFire
      @GospelFire ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The only truly important knowledge is the Gospel bloke, that Jesus died to save sinners.

    • @roberteisner4172
      @roberteisner4172 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I was thinking the same thing about frangibles. I carry that in my 9mm bed side gun. the selling point for me was that it wouldn't go through 2 sheets of drywall.

    • @SlavGod47
      @SlavGod47 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm really curious how V-Crown JHP would hold up, since for 9 they only used MHP

    • @TedHawk
      @TedHawk ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Better video here: th-cam.com/video/e5KzAA7JME4/w-d-xo.html
      This is why I use these frangibles for self-defense 5.56 and 9mm. Nasty wound channel, not affected by clothing like HPs, and doesn't go through drywall after exiting ballistic gel.

    • @shittinator
      @shittinator ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GospelFire I dunno man, I think "how to not accidentally shoot your 4-year-old" ranks pretty high.

  • @Oops407
    @Oops407 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    It would be cool to see different 556/223 round out of some different lengths of ars specificly for home defense

  • @ryanwhitney3195
    @ryanwhitney3195 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Considering I did a similar test in middle school to see how many layers of dry wall a .22 would go through (shot out a Ruger 10/22), and that little guy zipped through 7 layers. Yeah, I'm fairly confident everything is going through these dry walls.

  • @srgtjellydonut1883
    @srgtjellydonut1883 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I feel called out. I have a .300WM as my behind the door gun. This was a great and educational vid. Keep it up with the great content.

    • @jeffpraterJSF
      @jeffpraterJSF ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Well when a big ass bear or a mountain lion is your biggest worry instead of people I’d want a .300wm too

    • @theroller5673
      @theroller5673 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Well yeah, why let the threat get within 800 yards of your home? 🤣

  • @DcaptainTNT
    @DcaptainTNT ปีที่แล้ว +150

    I want to see .410 and 20 gauge tested like this with bird shot, buck shot and slugs. Also would love to see cinder block walls tested.

    • @jonathansharpe5390
      @jonathansharpe5390 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I want to see a No. 4 turkey load or a No. 2 duck load.

    • @grumpyshumpy
      @grumpyshumpy ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think people underestimate just how devastating birdshot loads can be up close. It's essentially a slug coming out of the barrel still packed inside the wad. Edit (talking about the total power of the load, not the individual energy of each pellet)

    • @DcaptainTNT
      @DcaptainTNT ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @King Of Crunk I spend a lot of time in Mexico and they build exclusively out of cinder block here. I have yet to see anyone build and shoot at a cinder block wall. I can image how it would do but is like to see it.

    • @judsongaiden9878
      @judsongaiden9878 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You forgot an Oxford comma between "buckshot" and "and slugs."

    • @golfnguns443
      @golfnguns443 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same power per pellet really in a 20, just less shot

  • @brudamiranda3314
    @brudamiranda3314 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Shotty BABY 💯 i have a friend that shot a maverick 88 for 15 years and never clean it. Its super smooth after i cleaned it for him for A 6pack

  • @ThomasThePanzerTank
    @ThomasThePanzerTank ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Definitely would try making a part 2 by using ballistic dummies or gel. I know the velocity would definitely be effected if it’s hitting gel first.

  • @BradYaeger
    @BradYaeger ปีที่แล้ว +50

    For those curious , insulation does nothing to slow rounds going through . If you have done any construction or demo work, you know how little actually goes into creating both interior and exterior wall. Wiring and pipes aside , you could kick your through an interior wall in about 30 second , and an exterior in a few minutes tops. Most rifle rounds will zip clear through the average house . You can find plenty of videos on it .

    • @TheManOWrath
      @TheManOWrath ปีที่แล้ว

      What kind if rifle rounds? Because the most common rifle caliber is 5.56, which penetrates less drywall than common pistol rounds.

    • @mikewithers299
      @mikewithers299 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@TheManOWrath I used to do construction work for a living for 40 years. I've punched thru a wall before. I knew where the studs were. It was during demo work. Drywall isn't that strong. My pellet gun shot thru 5/8" plywood too. Air and 177 cal pellet!

    • @joshs199
      @joshs199 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes sir I agree. And then I see these 10. 20 year old trailer parks with all the single wides lined up in rows and I'm like oh man some starts shooting it could go really bad for the neighbors. 🤔🥃🤘

    • @RedHuntsman
      @RedHuntsman ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheManOWrath Someone didn't watch the video.

  • @CM-ym9yn
    @CM-ym9yn ปีที่แล้ว +165

    Please keep blessing us with this consistent and amazing content Dad! 🙏

    • @CopeAndSeeth
      @CopeAndSeeth ปีที่แล้ว

      fr
      pull the trigga on a nigga

  • @josiaheck4865
    @josiaheck4865 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    As a skinwa-
    I mean Amazon Associate, I'm feeling a little called out.
    But seriously, I knew most would definitely go through at least one wall (2 layers) and many would likely pass 2 walls. But I had genuinely bought into the myth that most (not like, 308 and up) wouldn't go though more than 2 walls. Fascinating stuff, keep the science coming, because I'd love to know what many other comments are asking for with variables like types of rounds, soft tissue, insulation, range, etc.
    Oh and Dragon's Breath rounds? For science? Or home defense from spiders?

    • @TheWolfDude91
      @TheWolfDude91 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not unless you wanna burn your house down to show your invader it ain't worth it lol

    • @RikkiTikkiTavi290
      @RikkiTikkiTavi290 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤔🤨

  • @jimgoose
    @jimgoose ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Interesting video and nice to see it done. I'd just like to add that in UK/I, all external and ground-floor walls are considered load-bearing and are solid concrete. Drywall is called stud-partition over here and is used to separate rooms on upper floors. So if you intend to burgle downstairs, you'll need at least .338LM. 😊

  • @stephenellis3609
    @stephenellis3609 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    It would have been interesting to see the difference between modern drywall and the stuff used in earlier homes. I know just from experience pushing picture hooks through different walls of homes made in different time periods, a lot of older homes feel like you’re trying to push through sandstone. It’s damn near impossible. Quintuple the pressure while twisting still doesn’t always do the trick.

    • @derriklest2161
      @derriklest2161 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I would like to see them test old plaster walls that had chicken wire and thing fiberglass insulation. they made those in my home state ALOT as the walls on outside were brick it let them put in wiring in the house/pipes to keep them from freezing

    • @rmlittorio8662
      @rmlittorio8662 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      asbestos are good for your neighbour’s dog

    • @infogunvault6920
      @infogunvault6920 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not enough of a difference, thick,strong drywall is still drywall. Concrete, gravel, masonry, etc will stop bullets much more readily. Free standing "gabion wall" outside would stop pretty much anything.

    • @murmur3966
      @murmur3966 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Myth Busters did a show about this but it was to prove if the assassin shooting through the wall to take out the target was possible. They did every wall imaginable with plumbing and electrical etc. but the only thing able to stop a bullet was a big square steel electrical junction box. Everything else, even studs let the bullets right through. That show I thought was pretty eye opening. Plus it proved that it isn't just Hollywood fantasy to take someone out through a wall if you can't get a clear shot. Stay happy my friend.
      🤘😁👍

  • @Ric0chetAus
    @Ric0chetAus ปีที่แล้ว +133

    Never underestimate the AWP + Deagle combo for home defence.

    • @SoggiestBread
      @SoggiestBread ปีที่แล้ว +13

      almost as good as the Musket + Flintlock + Cannon at the top of the stairs loaded with Grapeshot

    • @SpecialOpsPepe
      @SpecialOpsPepe ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@SoggiestBread Tally ho!

    • @fizeekpoaster
      @fizeekpoaster ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the classic 1.6 home defense..

    • @theauralucario60
      @theauralucario60 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      we’re all on eco round though. i’m not force buying an awp

  • @fetusthegreat9797
    @fetusthegreat9797 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That buckshot drywall test is exactly why when i lived in a small studio apartment with neighbors on basically everyside my shotgun had birdshot in it. As soon as i moved into a house i put buck shot in it dont get me wrong but it was a serious consideration i had to think about.

  • @chadwickbasedman2387
    @chadwickbasedman2387 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    One item I would be interested in seeing you guys test are those backpacks that are supposed to have armor in them to protect against small caliber rounds. Seeing how effective or ineffective certain brands of those would be interesting.

    • @p99guy
      @p99guy ปีที่แล้ว +9

      When it comes to one brand of NIJ rated IIIA kevlar backpack panels against another… there is no difference. They stop what they are rated to stop. The NIJ govt standards
      Are just that. There is testing at labs to be certified.

    • @bigdaddy4691
      @bigdaddy4691 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There are literally hundreds of those videos already

  • @gameragodzilla
    @gameragodzilla ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Paul Harrell found that #4 buckshot doesn’t overpenetrate the particle board outer wall in his test of overpenetration while still being sufficient for defense (it barely reaches minimum FBI penetration standards with full powered loads).
    Hornady also makes a Varmint Express #4 buckshot load with the same Versatite wad. Really tight pattern at home defense and still meets the 12” minimum at 20 yards, which is more than sufficient for any sight lines in my house.

    • @blackhawk65589
      @blackhawk65589 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I was about to mention this. Shotguns are great for home defense

    • @CzechSixTv
      @CzechSixTv ปีที่แล้ว +1

      #4 buck will generally stay in your house depending on the distance, not making it through exterior walls, but it will damned sure remain lethal after passing through 2-3 interior walls. If you live alone that's fine.
      I've put all sorts of ammo through drywall, including setups with ballistic gel behind them, and inside your home a light softpoint .223/5.56 is best for minimizing collateral damage. The Winchester 64gr power-points I keep loaded up in my AR have consistently fragmented on their way through a single mock interior wall. Unimpeded they easily meet FBI/IWBA standards, bu run though a wall the resulting fragments have generally penetrated less than 4" of gel. In perspective, a .177 BB traveling 590fps should only penetrate 3.7" into proper calibrated gel.

    • @blackhawk65589
      @blackhawk65589 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CzechSixTv if you have a reduced #4 buck, you wont go through that many walls, same with a reduced 223. Kinda comparing apples to oranges

    • @gameragodzilla
      @gameragodzilla ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CzechSixTv I’m skeptical of that claim given Paul Harrell tested even rounds that don’t penetrate sufficiently to FBI standards and they still went clean through his setup, including the exterior wall. Even the 5.56 rounds that fragmented here only did so after a few walls.

    • @CzechSixTv
      @CzechSixTv ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blackhawk65589 Even the reduced recoil #4 buck I've tested has penetrated 10-12" of gel after passing through a single interior wall. The 64gr Power-Points I mentioned aren't 'reduced loads'. They are full power loads that meet FBI/IWBA standards, stopping right around 14.5" under normal gel testing procedures.

  • @Ricochet845
    @Ricochet845 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    My pops was the firearms instructor for a large city pd, back in the day they did some tests at their range and determined that #4 buck shot out of a 12 gauge it went through the thick leather coats of the 80’s and didn’t over penetrate too much to cause great concern. I want to test that now a days since it’s about 40 years later after they found that out.

  • @R_K_S2401
    @R_K_S2401 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Really appreciate this test. I'm sure it was a pain building all that and then getting it sent out to the range. Really appreciate your work. Nice to know that the heavy otm 5.56 is pretty good terminally and really good against over penetration in interior walls. I personally use those in my Home Defense AR. I'm surprised 00 Buck penetrated that Many walls. I would have liked to see #4 buckshot. #4 buckshot pellets are .25 caliber while individual pellets weigh around 20 grains. So if a #4 buck pellet and a 00 Buck pellet are traveling at the same speed, the #4 buck should penetrate less, considering that 00 Buck pellets are round .35 caliber and weigh 53 grains. But #4 buck will also give you more hits on target. #4 Buck usually has around 27 pellets versus 00 that has eight or nine pellets.

  • @hanselito2416
    @hanselito2416 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you for touching on one of the core safety rules. Know your target and what lies beyond.
    Extremely important.
    We dont want our tools to create more problems.

  • @xostler
    @xostler ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Your drywall screws are remarkably straight. I do want to point out homes have other things than just air between drywall. You can be shooting through plumbing, electrical, insulation, and then whatever is finish work like tile, cabinetry, or trim.

    • @jrussell76
      @jrussell76 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shooting a gas line would make things interesting....

  • @cameronmurphy9951
    @cameronmurphy9951 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Minus the lack of ballistic models, the only addition to this test that I would test is shooting into corners and trying to simulate other danger areas like doorways and staircases. That would be cool. Also, if you do that, I want in on the video haha.

  • @Jasper-Holland
    @Jasper-Holland ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for the info, will for sure use this info in my home in the Netherlands!

  • @kylem7708
    @kylem7708 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I'd love to see this done again with ballistic dummies in front of the first wall, and some glass picture frames and those Displate metal poster things hanging up to see which stuff actually matters for what calibers

  • @racialconsciousness6996
    @racialconsciousness6996 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    When I was like 12 years old, I met a guy who fought in Bosnia, I believe, and he showed me the coolest scar from a bullet on this lower thigh. It was very clearly the most perfect silhouette of a 7.62x39. Completely sideways/keyholing. That round really likes to tumble, which is why it's dogstuff at distance.

    • @WarNoob755
      @WarNoob755 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Depends on the barrel firing the round. Not saying it is the best but it can kill at distance.

    • @peasanttoking6839
      @peasanttoking6839 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Weird seeing you here

    • @racialconsciousness6996
      @racialconsciousness6996 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@peasanttoking6839 -- I am everywhere, friend.

    • @xDASSLERx
      @xDASSLERx ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Free RC, he didn't do anything wrong! ✊

    • @SantaClaus-kk8zr
      @SantaClaus-kk8zr ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey kid wanna see this bullet wound from Bosnia?

  • @robn5326
    @robn5326 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    It has to have already been said but I would really like to see this same idea with a ballistic dummy in front as well.
    (Also with a #4 buck for the shotgun guys)

    • @jorgesolis9468
      @jorgesolis9468 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      #4 bird-#4 buck

    • @Steven-gv1ke
      @Steven-gv1ke ปีที่แล้ว

      I did research on this about 20 years ago, and if I remember straight, #4 buckshot passes through only 2 pieces of sheetrock (1 wall). I have always had it loaded in my home shotgun for that reason. It will devastate an intruder but very low risk of over penetration through walls.

    • @jorgesolis9468
      @jorgesolis9468 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Steven-gv1ke I just play it safe with #4 bird less penetration than buck but at home defense range it will shred tissue up bad

  • @ihcterra4625
    @ihcterra4625 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    The construction of the bullet means a lot more than the cartridge.
    You should also test a variety of shotgun loads. Including #4 buck and a wide range of birdshot loads. Considering that at home defense ranges, you are most likely to be shooting under 3 yards, even target loads would be effective.

  • @t-rex9809
    @t-rex9809 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Thank you, Garand, for your amazing video. Entertaining and educational, as always.

  • @fell9654
    @fell9654 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I like the instant feedback from the side view, with the little puffs of dust showing total failure

  • @brianbennett1136
    @brianbennett1136 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great video that will be referenced for years to come in internet arguments. I wish you guys did do birdshot, I know a lot of people(including my dad) who has it for their home defense setup.

    • @brandonrobertson6327
      @brandonrobertson6327 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm a fan of #4 or #5 Turkey shot myself.

    • @cupsnlantern
      @cupsnlantern ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm also confused why they didn't test any birdshot. In one of their previous videos, they demonstrated that birdshot is lethal at 5 yards. I don't know about y'all but I don't have too many spots in my home with open space greater than 5 yards. I'm confident birdshot would have been the only thing to pass their test.

  • @cerwin21
    @cerwin21 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Skipped right over birdshot. Lol. Missed the winner right there.

  • @Forrest1369
    @Forrest1369 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    It would be interesting to see how frangible, poly, and copper ammo does with the same test. Since it’s often marketed as home defense ammo that won’t over penetrate. 🤔

    • @CalzaTheFox
      @CalzaTheFox ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The G9 9mm that he tested is copper. Poly would probably break up on the 2nd or 3rd stud but wouldn't care about drywall. Frangible could be pretty good.
      By over-penetration, they mean after it's hit somebody first...

    • @Tap02
      @Tap02 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It’s all bullsh*t, anything other then a .22 will kill your neighbor.

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Tap02 That is a good thing if it was your neighbor breaking in.

    • @irregularrex4004
      @irregularrex4004 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Frangible 5.56 is probably your best bet but if it's only drywall it's hitting it'll still go through a few before stopping.

    • @fudaldeath
      @fudaldeath ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These are usually talking about over penetration -IF- you hit a soft target

  • @petebaumann7731
    @petebaumann7731 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    **Laughs in Switzerland** We get to take home automatic Sig 550's from mandatory service and have hella thicc walls :)

    • @GarandThumb
      @GarandThumb  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      truth

    • @Saku19
      @Saku19 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How much ammo do they let you have?

    • @petebaumann7731
      @petebaumann7731 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Saku19 they dont give you ammo and only one magazine. That doesnt stop you from buying more of both though :)

  • @vyros5
    @vyros5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    2:35 "You do know the punishment for graffiti in Idaho, right?"
    "Firing squad?"
    "yeah."
    As an Idahoan I'm happy to hear that you're filming this in Idaho 😁👍

  • @KathrynLiz1
    @KathrynLiz1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Something to consider in a defensive situation..... Don't miss! If you hit the intruder, over penetration is unlikely with most rounds; if you miss him, over penetration with anything is a certainty. I think the safest round might be a .44 cap'n'ball pistol with about a 25gr charge and a round soft lead ball (that would give about 700fps). Deadly on the target but slows down really fast if it hits a wall. The black powder smoke could be an issue though... in my garage/workshop 4 rounds from the .44 (into my bullet trap) and it's hard to breathe in there! 😀
    A shotgun with bird shot would fill the bill too.... about #7 shot would do it.... very nasty indeed at close range but penetration after that is very poor...

  • @bikergod69
    @bikergod69 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I think it would be interesting to see how this would be affected by a home with brick exterior walls and/or a concrete brick constructed home like they build in Florida.

    • @FL_Dolfo
      @FL_Dolfo ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup

    • @yuurichito1439
      @yuurichito1439 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad I could use a .50 if guns were legal here cuz the ceilings are made out of half a meter of steel concrete

    • @yuurichito1439
      @yuurichito1439 ปีที่แล้ว

      💀

    • @notyouraveragegoldenpotato
      @notyouraveragegoldenpotato ปีที่แล้ว

      Lathe and plaster walls with a brick exterior stops .308. Barely. Anything more than that and it's gonna send through but it'd prob be broken up

  • @joeparreman4859
    @joeparreman4859 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Now I wanna see these tests with European walls. It would be really interesting to see who has the superior walls, imperial walls vs metric walls!

    • @aschelocke5287
      @aschelocke5287 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Yeah that answer would be totally surprising..

    • @murphy7801
      @murphy7801 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Given that most European walls are alot more solid wouldn't be much of an answer. I mean most Europe builds houses our of brick, stone and concrete. USA builds out of wood.

    • @Po6om_Bepmep
      @Po6om_Bepmep ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Soviet walls =))))) Because they mostly made of reinforced concrete =)) Friend of mine made a negligent discharge in such kind of wall with a 5.45x45 (bullet without steel core - just a lead core) - and the result was a just a small dent in the wall =))

    • @professorgoat1099
      @professorgoat1099 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      for the states, it would depend on the state and the age of the home. but euro walls will probably hold up better regardless. the most they have to worry about is rain. besides, they build strong and small, we build large and cheap.

    • @RyoMassaki
      @RyoMassaki ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Po6om_Bepmep I would gladly accept an eastern block style concrete wall as cover, but I would feel different behind a chinese made "reinforced concrete" wall.
      The difference between cover and concealment highly depends on the quality of the "concrete".

  • @donnyboi1990
    @donnyboi1990 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Would be cool to see this test with insulation in between the layers of dry wall (it might not make a difference but we have pretty thick layers of insulation in the walls up here in the north)

    • @JoeC92
      @JoeC92 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Especially Stone wool (roxul) being pretty thick compared to fiberglass

    • @LtLemontwist
      @LtLemontwist ปีที่แล้ว

      Insulation does nothing. Paul Harrell did a demonstration video on this already. It makes sense that it does nothing since insulation’s entire purpose is to trap air as a barrier to the transfer of energy. Naturally, small pockets of air do nothing.

    • @xavierwilmerng6317
      @xavierwilmerng6317 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean they did build to code? Maybe there is some insulation in there?

    • @JoeC92
      @JoeC92 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@xavierwilmerng6317 insulation isn't code for interior walls only exterior

    • @lmaolmoo4147
      @lmaolmoo4147 ปีที่แล้ว

      It doesn't make any difference. Paul Harrell has shot bullets thrown entire roll of insulation and it did nothing to the bullet.

  • @EZPCTECH
    @EZPCTECH 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I was waiting for a 9mm PCC test with an 8" barrel and some FMJs that tend to open up easily or fall apart. That would be really interesting to see because many use this combo, and in theory, it could be stopped after the first wall

  • @dodgersfnshepard8673
    @dodgersfnshepard8673 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Use fragmentation/frangable rounds, it won't be stopped but definitely lessons the odds of penetration as well as scales up your lethality

    • @MiaogisTeas
      @MiaogisTeas 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Frangible rounds are less lethal, not moreso.

    • @Elias-xu7uw
      @Elias-xu7uw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@MiaogisTeasexpanding hunting rounds Are more lethal and will dump all their energy into someone.. do your research before talking

    • @MrCashewkitty
      @MrCashewkitty 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Elias-xu7uwThe Vmax still penetrated 2 walls but did did the best.

  • @lanepollan477
    @lanepollan477 ปีที่แล้ว +246

    I’d like to see the same test but with the ballistic dummy shot first. I feel that would more accurately show over penetration in a home defense situation.

    • @rpk675
      @rpk675 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      I’d assume unless you are a really good shot that at least some shots would miss. I don’t think the bullets that are on target would have too much of an impact after exiting a body

    • @lanepollan477
      @lanepollan477 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@rpk675 you’re more than likely correct, some shots would probably miss. It’s the shots that don’t miss that I’m curious about. I would like to see the velocity that different rounds have after dumping some kinetic energy. Would a ballistic tip dump most of its energy in the threat and not penetrate much after as apposed to a bonded round that tends to zip through most medians without extreme kinetic energy loss?

    • @rpk675
      @rpk675 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lanepollan477 That would be interesting for sure

    • @simonp1165
      @simonp1165 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Like you will hit every round? But still interesting I agreee

    • @nikik5567
      @nikik5567 ปีที่แล้ว

      Right? Like lemme see the results after it passes through a dummy torso first.

  • @mortekaieve4729
    @mortekaieve4729 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    It would be nice to see a test like this with an exterior wall built. Drywall > studs > 1/2" (not 5/8 for worst case scenario) sheathing > some sort of popular siding (probably not HardiePlank, again for worst case), then do some additional tests with that for the first round and stack up the interior walls in front of it so we know if the neighbor's dog will die. Further, two exterior walls would be interesting to see about possible penetration into neighboring houses.
    I think Shawn Ryan may have done something similar with exterior walls and popular self-defense rounds a long time ago and settled on 9mm, but I'd have to dig for the video and you reach a larger audience.

    • @1982rrose
      @1982rrose ปีที่แล้ว

      And Tactical Rifleman also

    • @Cstegg
      @Cstegg ปีที่แล้ว

      I know a guy who ND'd a sig p365 nitro with hornady critical defense 9mm..
      Went through two walls of drywall...out the exterior of his house and into the exterior of his garage... and lodged itself in a chest freezer(5/8 osb with vinyl siding)
      (it also clipped the corner of a stud at a 45 degree angle)
      If Shawn Ryan was finding that 9mm was the preferred round for lesser penetration.. it may not be a good sign at all.
      I feel that if there was an ammo capable of not going through numerous walls we'd see a demo put out.. instead we just get ballistic gel displays of fragmentation patterns.

    • @mortekaieve4729
      @mortekaieve4729 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cstegg Sure, and I saw a guy ND a .22 through a ceiling and out the roof, but defensive 9mm rounds sure as hell penetrate significantly less than things like 00 buck and .223. No round is guaranteed not to penetrate and possibly kill or maim someone, but you should want to minimize that risk as much as possible while not letting your choice be a significant detriment to your defensive ability. As far as general defensive firearms go, if that's 9mm, I'm all about it.
      A baseball bat won't penetrate a wall and do harm on the other side, but I'm sure as hell not picking a bat over any firearm.

    • @Cstegg
      @Cstegg ปีที่แล้ว

      @mortekaieve4729 I don't think we are in disagreement. I agree that even if the situation sounds bleak for penetration it should still be considered in selecting a home defense firearm/ammo.
      But... at the end of the day... it's probably going to make it in your neighbors house if you miss the target and they are on the other side of the wall.
      Not sure if you've seen a lot of these new construction builds out there that use pressboard and masonite siding instead of OSB. It's literally cardboard... garand actually did essential test that here. 🤣

    • @mortekaieve4729
      @mortekaieve4729 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Cstegg I know build quality has been going down in recent decades, but they still definitely use OSB in the majority of builds. The most popular product out right now is "Zip system" because of it's increased R value and ease of install. That's OSB. You'll actually find that "cardboardy" material in older homes much more often, and it's also asbestos.

  • @da_grinchb
    @da_grinchb ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Great test for straight dry wall I'd be interested to see what happens when you add insulation, wires, pipes ect. I'd imagine that would change the outcome for some of those rounds

  • @hunterbailey5497
    @hunterbailey5497 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    What you should do is do this test again but have ballistic bodies to shoot first then see how much damage the bullet does after doing through the body.

    • @kaiudall2583
      @kaiudall2583 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      True, but that also assumes you make every shot you take.

    • @dustinwatkins-vj1sx
      @dustinwatkins-vj1sx ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kaiudall2583if you train semi regularly hitting a 5’5-6ft x 24in target shouldn’t be too much of a problem.

    • @kaiudall2583
      @kaiudall2583 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@dustinwatkins-vj1sx oh definitely. Shooting a non moving cardboard target is no problem.

    • @dakdewolf
      @dakdewolf ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@kaiudall2583FR what a joke. "I'm sure I'll never miss a shot on a home intruder, I dont need to clear MY back drop".... 😂

  • @tomfroman7564
    @tomfroman7564 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    No one gonna talk about how JACKED Admin is at 4:50? God bless

  • @Saanonymous80
    @Saanonymous80 ปีที่แล้ว +346

    To be fair, you should also add a ballistic dummy before the drywall. That would simulate the threat eliminated and the "target beyond"
    Edit: Maybe add things like pictures, television, mirrors, outlets/wiring also

    • @GeekOfAllness
      @GeekOfAllness ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Presumably, you're going to miss a few rounds. And random things like TVs are more of a best-case scenario, when you really want to think about the worst case scenario. If your entire wall is covered with books in a bookcase, that's one thing. But the odds you happen to hit that single, 900-page calculus book edge-on while point shooting at a random intruder at 3 AM aren't really worth considering.

    • @mortekaieve4729
      @mortekaieve4729 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@GeekOfAllness IDK, you might hit that wire running through your house when you shoot at the guy's knees.

    • @timmys8823
      @timmys8823 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe a ballistic dummy of a dog too ya know 😂

    • @jutde
      @jutde ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@mortekaieve4729 my buddies uncles cousins dog was saved when a round hit the lead pipe in his plaster-on-lathe walls. Sadly the cat wasn't so lucky as it got the ricochet of the already tumbling 7.62 which put it on its 4th life.

    • @procurion8934
      @procurion8934 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ALL of the interior walls of my house are fully insulated. Unless the house is old, in the South most new construction in the last 20 years has insulated interior walls if the home is built by a reputable builder.

  • @seanperson2032
    @seanperson2032 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm writing this only like 30 seconds into the video because I had a bit of a unique situation at work that gives me some insight into how I think this is gonna go.
    So I showed up to work one day back in like February I think and I've got a work order for a broken window. I go take a look and the person in the apartment said they were gone overnight and came home to a bullethole in the bedroom window (on the 6th floor). The bullet then went through the opposite wall, across the hallway, and into a 2nd wall, where it only stopped due to hitting a stud. Had police come dig the bullet out and after talking to the officers I come to learn there was a gunfight across the street in which a total of over 30 rounds were fired between 3 people, and nobody was hit. There was someone on the 3rd floor of the building across the street and 2 people down in the parking lot, so the person in the 3rd floor across the street managed to sky a round and that round hit my building's 6th floor.
    Also it was a 9mm so I'm already calling it that 9mm and up punch straight through a window and at least 2 walls made of drywall (assuming it doesn't hit a stud in one of the walls).

  • @armeddiver
    @armeddiver ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Thank you for the video. I watch everyone of these types of tests. I really wish that anyone that plans to have a home defense gun would watch these videos so that they can [think] past what they can see. It is another reason why everyone needs at least basic firearms safety training - "Know your target and beyond."

    • @StullerD
      @StullerD ปีที่แล้ว +2

      while i agree that people should be trained in the ways of firearms...
      for me it is absolutely mindblowing that people can actually carry weapons, or use at their own properties.
      I've never met, heard or had any info about anybody who ever had to use a gun (but yeah I've always lived in European countries where even having a knife its considered an offense)
      hell the only altercation I've seen in more than 30 years was a punch in a bar....:D

    • @CK-xz6wv
      @CK-xz6wv ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Paul Harrel has a good one where he shoots through bookcases and the like

    • @armeddiver
      @armeddiver ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CK-xz6wv Thank you I will check that out.

  • @five5105
    @five5105 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Doing this again with frangible loads would be interesting.

  • @Panzervagon
    @Panzervagon ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Hollowpoints tend to have similar penetration to FMJ through fibrous materials, or relatively thick soft materials, they fill up the cavity of the hollowpoint and make it so that they can't even expand on the intended target (most of the time)

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just ran across some the other night that have a silicone bead in the tip to stop fowling, 100% guaranteed to expand in the bad guy. Price wasn't to bad either. $35 for 20 rounds.

    • @DaveSmith-cp5kj
      @DaveSmith-cp5kj ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@robertsmith2956 You can also just fill the hollow point with hot glue, it will do the same for a lot cheaper. Especially if you handload.

  • @lumberjackcharlie6154
    @lumberjackcharlie6154 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey Mike, id say use hollow points on plaster and lath walls. The plaster is very similar to concrete and the lath behind the plaster will offer some more resistance. Older homes have these plaster walls. Id be willing to bet that if you fired a hollow point round ( or any other round that fragments easy ) at a plaster wall it would not have lethal velocity on the other side. So i think it would be beneficial to test this because not a lot of people know what their homes are made of.

  • @kevinh2345
    @kevinh2345 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Neat test, although my home is built before such "codes" were common. Got that plaster and lathe interior and brick walls outside, and could not be more curious how federal HST interacts in those mediums.

    • @FilmFlam-8008
      @FilmFlam-8008 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Brick is an amazing stopper

    • @brycemondragon
      @brycemondragon ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Only one way to find out!! 😂

    • @Charon-5582
      @Charon-5582 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Plaster is concrete, drywall is chalk.

    • @AustinRBa
      @AustinRBa ปีที่แล้ว

      While my ballistic interactions with it are limited, I removed all of mine a couple years ago and changed to sheetrock. L&P is goddamn tough. Biggest concern would be fracturing and losing chunks, as opposed to the sheetrock which just gets holes punched out.

    • @FilmFlam-8008
      @FilmFlam-8008 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Charon-5582 and outer parts of houses are not the same as interior walls.

  • @aaronklatke237
    @aaronklatke237 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    It would be interesting to see the same test prformed with a balistics dummy before the wall to show the difference of penitration after the bullet has expanded and loss velocity. Love the videos.

  • @roadhouse6999
    @roadhouse6999 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    John Lovell did a great video on this a few years back. He didn't actually do any ballistic testing, but he pointed out that bullets are entirely designed to penetrate things. Of course they're going to go through walls. He also pointed out that you don't only have to work in two dimensions - you can put yourself in a position where the bullets are going up or down so they're not going straight through several walls in any direction where other people would be. Dropping to the floor and pointing your weapon up might not be a bad idea in a lot of situations - Hard2Hurt, another great self-defense channel, advocates for pointing your weapon light at the ceiling to illuminate an entire room and avoiding blinding yourself. If the whole room is illuminated, that would also clearly show the intruder that you have a rifle and at least 30 rounds - if you tell them to get the fuck out, they're probably a lot more likely to listen, and then hopefully you don't have deal with the consequences of popping someone. And if you're already low and pointing up, it's not much of a transition from pointing your weapon light at the ceiling to getting a sight picture on a dumbass who's decided his life is less valuable than your property.

    • @garrettmccullough2249
      @garrettmccullough2249 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well said.

    • @kotaspremiere2931
      @kotaspremiere2931 ปีที่แล้ว

      I saw one of his videos talking about the pros and cons of each weapon in a home defense situation. Although i dont agree with pointing your weapon up or down when theres an intruder in the room im pointing that sucker right AT the intruder. I want to blind them, confuse them, and not have my aim off of them incase they try to lunge at me or something. I want to be ready to go and end the threat as soon as necessary for my own safety. John lovell did make great points as to why certain guns were better than others though and i agree'd with most of what he said in that video.

    • @deathlis
      @deathlis ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kotaspremiere2931 His video was more discussion considerations of lanes of fire - for instance if you have your family in a panic room upstairs, you can eliminate overpenetration risk by establishing firing positions that take advantage of vertical firing angles. These were things to consider in a home defense plan made BEFOREHAND, and not so much a "wing it" tip.

    • @kotaspremiere2931
      @kotaspremiere2931 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@deathlis You may be thinking of a different video or part of the video. What i remember is a video where he specifically wrote down on a white board the types of guns and the pros and cons to each of them in home defense scenerio's and he scored each of them.
      Here i actually found the warrior poet video i was thinking of. th-cam.com/video/i3sLHGduI3w/w-d-xo.html

    • @deathlis
      @deathlis ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kotaspremiere2931 I remember that one - done right after teaching a class while inside a classroom? Yea I was referring to a different one.

  • @janbernad4729
    @janbernad4729 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its absolutely fascinating, that the country, which is willing to give you a firearm before you can drink alcohol or get a drivers license, happens to be the same country, where a half of all buildings is made out of paper and gypsum.

  • @99machinist99
    @99machinist99 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    In the spirit of this demonstration, I would be interested in seeing the results of some smaller pistol rounds. Like .380 auto, 32acp and so on.

    • @jakcummins9996
      @jakcummins9996 ปีที่แล้ว

      00 buck shoots almost the same velocity and is almost exact same diameter so technically they did

    • @99machinist99
      @99machinist99 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jak Cummins sorry not true. 00 buck travels over 1300 fps which is over 300 fps faster than most .380 and 400fps faster than. 32 auto. But thanks.

    • @_boondock_9158
      @_boondock_9158 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nobody has those

    • @jakcummins9996
      @jakcummins9996 ปีที่แล้ว

      @99machinist99 1100 for federal vital shok. But please, oh snarky one, tell me more 😕

    • @99machinist99
      @99machinist99 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@_boondock_9158 nobody has .380 auto? 🤣

  • @shawnseverin3936
    @shawnseverin3936 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is an very interesting test which demonstrates the potential of bullet ending up where you don’t want it to but aren’t exterior walls sheathing with at least 5/8” plywood which would offer your neighbours at least some protection

  • @FlyingNDriving
    @FlyingNDriving ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I think 18-20" 55gr/77gr 5.56 might have broken up sooner with the extra velocity over the short barrel, would have been interesting to see it featured

  • @threeballwilly
    @threeballwilly 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That jab at the Euros within the first minute, I haven't clicked the Like button this fast in a long time. 🤣

  • @usptact
    @usptact ปีที่แล้ว +41

    It would be great to see how frangible 5.56 would behave in this setup!

    • @TheAnnoyingBoss
      @TheAnnoyingBoss ปีที่แล้ว +1

      .50ae. A blunderbus filled with various objects. Bus stuff. Blunderbus stuff

    • @Shepardofman
      @Shepardofman ปีที่แล้ว +2

      7:24

    • @freneticfanatic
      @freneticfanatic ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Frangible is made to break up when it hits metal. Not ideal for that purpose and suboptimal terminal ballistics, too.

    • @tim.shootz
      @tim.shootz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Several other folks have tested frangible 5.56 rounds with drywall and it performs really well. Rapidly begins tumbling and fragmenting after the first wall it hits. The speed alone causes it to still pass thru however with much smaller fragments and highly destabilized.

    • @infogunvault6920
      @infogunvault6920 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mentioned the results of a 5.56 frangible interceptor round through ballistics gel and walls in the overpenetration video I made.
      Surprisingly, it penetrated more than regular defense 5.56 rounds.
      th-cam.com/video/GmDsqPih6uw/w-d-xo.html

  • @guitfiddle
    @guitfiddle ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I was hoping you would try 5.7 from a pistol. I was wondering about using one for HD. High round count, potentially less over penetration. Please add this to your future tests. Thanks for the efforts you put into this. I love your videos.

    • @mynamejef7963
      @mynamejef7963 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Cheaper to let the guy just rob your house

  • @agentmongoose
    @agentmongoose ปีที่แล้ว +12

    2 Things I'd love to see a follow up: insulation in the walls and is frangible ammo much better at minimizing drywall pen.

    • @blaster229
      @blaster229 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You don't sacrifice your self defense ballistics to worry more about over penetration. Frangible is good for 1 thing, shooting steel.

    • @Impasse413
      @Impasse413 ปีที่แล้ว

      You could dismantle some 12ga tungsten shot shells, and pour copper over them...

    • @richardrobinson5163
      @richardrobinson5163 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've seen videos of frangible rounds in ballistic gel. Some break immediately on penetration. Others went through and sprayed the backstop.
      I personally fired 20 rounds of frangible 5.56 rounds at a paper target at 25 yards after zeroing my optics. None of those rounds hit the paper anywhere. Follow-up rounds of normal fmj were on target.

    • @blaster229
      @blaster229 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richardrobinson5163 people wanted us to use frangible on the plane. I'm like, no thanks. Speer gold dots work just fine.

    • @satagaming9144
      @satagaming9144 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Insulation doesn't make much sense, it's not usually in interior walls and if you're going through an exterior wall there's probably brick or some sort of siding in the way.

  • @dr.a.995
    @dr.a.995 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoyed the dry humor. And I actually learned some things, like “think of the neighbors and your own dog.”