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Yes. All good points. I was watching a documentary about dogman and one of the researchers found out that a camp actually was closed and that it was due to the two real life murders that happened at the time. In another documentary the researchers called Roger up and talked to him. He stated that he wasn't scared of the dogman now, which is not at all what you would expect from someone who has witnessed a traumatizing event. It's also quite different from the vast majority of people who have say they have seen dogman because they are all fairly traumatized to some degree.

@@infogunvault6920 I agree, if I saw a family get massacred by a cryptid I'd have PTSD, I wouldn't just lose fear quickly. I also want to point out that there was a a family of four who were found dead in Kentucky, it was a mother, father, boy and younger sister. They were found in a ditch and were murdered by six young people in their vehicle before being disposed of. So I'm guessing the LBL urban legend was somewhat based on this murder.

@@infogunvault6920 Not only that, but for something that is CLAIMED to have happened, it isn't even famous. I mean, the abandoment of Portlock, Alaska is known worldwide by everyone after the mysterious deaths that were purportedly done by a rogue Sasquatch, yet the family massacre and the supposed missing persons cases in LBL aren't even famous. As a matter of fact, I didn't even know anything about LBL but knew somewhat of Portlock, Alaska abandonment.

@@kaijuar2003 That's interesting, I've heard about LBL but have never heard about Portlock until you mentioned it now.

How on earth would you know that is true? As far as I know it comes from the latin saying if you want peace you should prepare for war.

Do you mean elaborating a bit? I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.

In my opinion, Brenneke doesn't do a really good job distinguishing what is the practical difference between their different slug designs, so that is a difficult question for me to answer. The green lightning and the classic have basically the same penetration in gelatin roughly 35". The KO has less penetration, roughly 18.5" Honestly, I think Brenneke is probably fudging the penetration numbers (17.5" ) for their tactical home defense rounds in order for it to look like they don't have a high percentage of overpenetrating. As far as accuracy they are all probably similar. I can't give much of a better answer then speculation here unfortunately, as I haven't done any significant amount of testing with them myself. As a matter of fact, I almost never see any Brenneke slugs being sold in the stores in my area. I don't mind off-topic questions in the least because I'm always trying my best to help people.

@@infogunvault6920 I guess it comes down to what is more accurate. I wish they would tell us wish slugs have harder alloy. Those KOs probably have soft lead

@@infogunvault6920 TH-cam deleting my comments but i would just buy them online. i do

I have no doubt that people are trying to combat ticks in some way or another because ticks spread really harmful disease. However, it is just speculation that one of these anti-tick efforts are harmful to people.

@@infogunvault6920 Yeah, curious to see what happens. Apparently some deer diseases are reaching further north in Alaska.

Ahh! The "bear ally" approach. I've heard that just wearing a red shirt and nothing else just like Winne the Pooh also helps. The downside is that a park ranger will arrest you and call you a weirdo, then you and can't live with your bear friends in the woods.

That is exactly the point. Concerns about penetration through walls should not be prioritized to the detriment of everything else.

@@infogunvault6920 I agree with you.

What you're looking for is the Fiocchi ammo or the Challenger slugs made in Canada. Both use the Gualandi slug. Other companies may load those slugs, but those are the just the two companies that I know of right now. This is just an example, and you may find lower prices if you shop around more: www.guncity.com/fiocchi-12ga-slug-32gr-70mm-gualandi-10-rounds-380925 Make sure the Fiocchi stuff says Gualandi on the box, because they sell other kinds of slugs as well. Gualandi is the Italian company that actually makes the slugs.

Round nose flat point bullets also do that well.

Very interesting. The reliability issues are probably limited to the Sigs then.

@infogunvault6920 yeah even my pocket pistols rated for plus p run it fine no jams uet kahr cm9 and Kimber solo 9

Basically, yes. They just took a century to take into consideration the suggestions to use flat nose bullets.

Who is Frank J?

Frank James the subway shooter

I don't think most people are really that bad.

@@infogunvault6920 the way we treat animals

I tend to think this decision to use this ammo was caused from underthinking rather than overthinking.

Shot placement is king.

I would not count on round nose FMJ tumbling early enough to do any increased damage on the intended target.

@@infogunvault6920 6-8 “ is the typical tumbling depth for 124 grn fmjs. A jhp or xtreme defender is going to crush more tissue and more reliably, but a round nosed 9x19 can do a bit more damage than one might expect (even Thompson and Lagarde noticed oblong exit wounds with ball 9x19 on human cadavers. Same with Soviets experimenting for 9x18 mak adoption. Apparently 7,63 mauser and 9x19 ball have a tendency to tumble, 230 grns .45 hardballs do not)

@@Jack72607 Interesting.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say. Any flat nose bullet is less aerodynamic than a round nose one for example. Round nose bullets are generally more reliable than flat nose ones as well.

What are you talking about? I thought it was pretty clear that I was giving reasonable constructive criticism. If I wanted to be dramatic I could have said something like the unreliability problems would cause soldiers to get killed. There is absolutely nothing wrong with standard 9mm NATO or 5.56 NATO for that matter.

Lol - love it. This guy needs to do some more research, and see why the military has to use fmjs - unless International law has changed.

@@harpsitardo Did you not hear the part about how the Army has approved hollow points for use?

I'm not being dramatic, just critical. There's a clear difference between the two. Standard 9mm NATO is fine.

@@infogunvault6920 this wasn’t intended to be a comment to you, but somehow my reply failed to go to the intended person that was acting like this is a proof load. Good video.

I've thought about this before and I personally don't think there is any reason that we can't take make a FMJ with a fluted design by using thick copper jacketing and some sort of stamping manufacturing process. Sidearms aren't meant to be used much in theory, however that isn't a good reason to accept ammunition that wears out parts faster. Part of the reason that the Beretta was replaced by the M17/M18 was because they were getting worn out.

Maybe, maybe not. The extreme defense bullet design do have the documented advantage in being a combination of barrier blindness, and limiting penetration to the FBI test's maximum. Jury is still out on the tissue damage cavity, but penetration is what stops fights, especially in handgun calibers, and it does that with commendable consistency even through light barriers.

May go a little bit further, you contradicted yourself.. and there are over 10 major ammo companies using that projectile... Wilson combat now has the patent... Bill Wilson would not buy it if he knew it didn't work..

​@@lynch6642I'd be willing to bet Mr Wilson has tested them on hogs on his ranch as well

Lehigh extreme defender rounds have been tested in animal tissue and organic gel and the wound sizes have been measured and compared against conventional hollow points. I used to think they were a gimmick too, but the facts are inarguable. There are probably agencies already using them but I don't know for certain. Regardless, even if there was no law enforcement agency that used them that doesn't mean that they aren't effective. I talk about the wound sizes in this video: th-cam.com/video/ltFyf-sbq_Q/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared

Cost and lawsuits would be their major concerns with any change.

Is this one of those "oddly satisfying" things?

@@infogunvault6920 Not sure, but it is very similar to the 124gr +p Speer Gold Dot at 1220 fps. That is a very effective hollow point for 9mm.

@@magickaldood Hornady HAP bullet design maybe?

Try federal plus ➕️ plus 115 gr at 1340 fps LE whitebox. If you can find it😊

@@greybone777 I've shot alot of 9ble and it's not stellar against autoglass or other intermediate barriers. Being a mid 90's design it's not chemically bonded like more modern JHP. Seems to work pretty well against lightly clothed individuals based on what CBP says in their AARs.

What accuracy problems are you talking about?

@@infogunvault6920 I've seen some relatively dramatic POI shifts when using the really light Lehighs (65 grain) in my 357 sig, but not in my 9mm - this could be caused by the sharp increase in velocity (<2300 FPS out of my G35/357 sig vs. >2000 out of my G19/9mm). However, I wouldn't call them inaccurate.

​@infogunvault6920 I agree with your assumptions about the superior xtreme defender Wounding capabilities. Especially from what I've seen in clear ballistics gel. And Dick Fairburn also speaks highly of them and never mentioned accuracy issues. Also the naval warfare center bought a $30 million contract of the Lehigh xtreme defender from black hills. Noting the greater performance. The only person whose complained about accuracy is gun sam revolver afficionado has a tape or two where he mentioned it. He shoots at a target that's 50 yards or more away. And the xtreme defender impacts to the side.

@@touofthehighplains Thank you for mentioning that as I've never heard of any accuracy issues before now. Though I should say I'm at the point where I generally disregard clear gelatin testing as there no guarantee that it reliably predicts similar performance in organic substances.

@@infogunvault6920 yes clear gel isn't a guarantee but it is a consistent test media.

I really don't understand why they wanted to have such high pressure to begin with. If I understand correctly there was a requirement to increase the terminal effectiveness of the handgun without changing caliber or barrel length. The flat nose is what accomplishes this and there seems to be no logical reason why they needed higher pressure ammo.

@@infogunvault6920 They want higher lethality with the same 9mm ammo. So how is that possible? Better bullet design and more speed. Possibly a heavier round? They require 14" gel penetration at 50 meters as well. (about 55 yds) So it needs great accuracy and massive power for a handgun round.I think Its good to have goals, but goals that are too far off to meet, seems kinda pointless. imho So they added more PSI for FPS and changed to a HP round for actual combat use. "To keep overpenetration down" I think they are asking for more than the 9mm can deliver personally we have 100yrs of data from 9mms of every type and none can hit this requirement that I know of. Yes the flat nose is more lethal than ball ammo but HP is more lethal than flatnose and solves the overpenetration part of a faster round . A pistol round is not a rifle round in terms of lethality or reach distance. Just my thoughts hope that helps.

It's now a high pressure round it might be to snappy? Trying to make a high performance round without the added pressure it's like the .40 caliber never existed, back to the it will blow up your gun debate. Satire and facts have merged. RIP Paul Harrell.

@@PatriotPaulUSA completely agree! When you go for your sidearm, your longarm must be out of ammo or otherwise out of commission. Standard +p would be more than enough. Granted, have some requirements because not all +P is legitimately such a thing. the whole thing with Sig was dirty pool to begin with. The new rifle and round? Have you seen the spec's on that stuff? Wanna talk about stupid level of hot rounds! The fact they even have a full auto on those things is nuts. We had this issue with the M14 and full auto. Not controlable.

@@okiedean1112 just like the new round for the new rifle. They could have saved the money and went with a known variable of a well tested round in 6.8. Nope. Someone got a kickback.

I vaguely remember something about how the British were somewhat interested in the 7.65x21 that came before the 9mm but were concerned about it's effectiveness because it had a small bullet diameter. Because of that the flat point 7.65 came about and then that was also applied to the 9mm. I could be wrong though, it's been a while since I've read about that sort of thing. The problem of the bullets going in cycles, I think, is caused by people forgetting the reason why we do certain things in the first place. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

I read that Germany changed the bullet profile because of allegations they were violating the Hague Conventions regarding ammunition, because the bullets were extremely effective. The flat nose combined with the truncated-cone profile made them much more lethal than the round nose profile that replaced them. Or so the story goes.

@@alflyover4413 This link lists both the purpose of backwards RIFLE bullets and the Allied propaganda campaign to get the Germans to quit shooting British tanks. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversed_bullet History is rumor, gossip and lies. Sifting out wheat from chaff is difficult, especially when the subject is obscure or esoteric. Full metal jacket military rifle bullets came about when smokeless powder increased muzzle velocities to the point where unjacketed bullets would leave lead deposits in the bore and make the rifle less accurate or even dangerous to use. The purpose of full metal jacketed pistol bullets was different--soft nosed led bullets would distort and jam more frequently. Bullet profile was important for reliable feeding from pistol magazines into pistol chambers--the wadcutter profile (a cylinder with a sharp shoulder on the nose) was great for paper targets because the clean round holes were easier to score, but even when used in revolvers and loaded one at a time by hand into revolver cylinders, filling the pistol chamber with wadcutter profile projectiles causes feeding issues and slows down revolver reloading. gigconceptsinc.com/files/9mm_Para_Guide.pdf exclusive.multibriefs.com/content/pros-and-cons-of-the-wadcutter-bullet/recreation-leisure Note that there are differences between wadcutters, semi wadcutters and truncated cone projectiles. Target wadcutters are lightly loaded for lower recoil. There were a number of semiautomatic target pistols set up to fire full wadcutters in calibers .38 Special and .32 Smith and Wesson Long, plus semi wadcutters in caliber .45 ACP (sometimes marketed as 'wadcutters") and 9mm Luger. When semiautomatic pistol ammunition went from a round nosed full metal jacket bullet profile, many 9mm pistols would jam when fed the newer, "more effective" soft point and jacketed hollow point ammunition. Modern pistols usually are designed to reliably feed the jacketed hollow point. Match pistols give up reliable cycling for higher paper target scores. The new SIG M17 and M18 replacing the Beretta M9 are reported to have issues with some types of 9mm ammo that doesn't have the round nose full metal jacket projectiles, but those problems are fixable. Don't get frustrated about the technical aspects unless you style yourself an expert gun geek. Speaking of gun geeks, Law is the horse of a different color. The St Petersburg Declaration of 1868 predated the oft-misquoted "Geneva Convention." ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/st-petersburg-decl-1868/declaration The issue addressed was that in the middle of the 19th Century. The subject of expanding, exploding, frangible and pre-fragmented bullets can fill libraries. In 1899 the use of expanding bullets was outlawed among nations signing the treaty for use in war. The earlier exploding bullets were intended for use against powder wagons to destroy enemy ammunition supplies. international-review.icrc.org/articles/humanitarian-bullets-and-man-killers-920 Note that when a high velocity rifle bullet with a full metal jacket hits a bony part of the human body, the effects are very hard to distinguish from an expanding rifle bullet designed for hunting. When both the US M193 cartridge (5.56x45mm) and the Soviet 5.45x39mm cartridge were introduced, there was a "humanitarian" outcry that these bullets were poison pills designed to produce grotesque injuries. How much of that was pure propaganda and how much was pure "cute lawyer tricks" is up for debate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.45%C3%9739mm#:~:text=The%205.45%C3%9739mm%20cartridge%20is%20a%20rimless%20bottlenecked%20intermediate,service%20as%20the%20primary%20military%20service%20rifle%20cartridge. Keep in mind that the Law exists in courtrooms and another reality exists on the battlefield. The most probable reason for switching to a pointed round nose 9mm Parabellum projectile profile was reliable feeding, especially in submachine guns. There might be some validity to the claim that legal actions were threatened, but barracks room lawyers spout all sorts of fantasies without even opening a law book. www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Barracks%20Lawyer I might get myself a barracks room lawyer coffee mug. A dose or two of humility os a good thing.

@@alflyover4413 I'm not saying that you're wrong, but that doesn't sound very plausible to me.

@@infogunvault6920 I found a reference that speaks directly to this question. At The 1911 Forum, there is a thread titled, "The Truncated Cone 9mm Bullet; Why Was It Replaced in 1916?". I'm starting with the second paragraph of the first post. <blockquote> In the book "The P.08 Luger Pistol" on page 42 is a passage alluding to the Allies having complained to the ICC about the TC bullet design. Also in the two volume set "The Borchardt-Luger Automatic Pistols" by Gortz & Sturgess, beginning on page 1514, they discuss the issue but don't mention the ICC. Rather they theorize that the front line German soldiers were concerned that Allied soldiers, in particular the French, considered the TC bullet to be a "Dum-Dum" design. The infamous British Dum-Dum affair concerning open point bullets made at the Dum-Dum Arsenal in India was still very much in people's minds at the time. That concern led to the Germans replacing the TC cartridges with a round nose design in mid-1916. The Trommel magazine was designed by Friedrich Blum in Hungary. In 1915 it was first used in rifles chambered in 8mm Mauser by German fliers in ariel combat. Blum's 9mm version for the Luger pistol was pateneted in July, 1916. Again, according to "The P.08 Luger Pistol", page 24, front line troops were issued the Trommel magazines in October, 1916, for field testing. It had problems and wasn't considered ready for general issue until mid-1917. So it would seem that the Trommel magazines were still in development when the Germans changed from the TC bullet to the round nose bullet in mid-1916. It also appears that the Trommel magazines were unreliable and required mocifications to be reliable well past the introduction of the round nose bullet design. </blockquote> This jibes with the article in Handloader Magazine dealing with the same topic written by Terry Weiland; unfortunately, the issue with the article is not available on-line.

I don't think buckshot itself is the problem. Most buckshot sold today is not particularly good for bear defense because it's soft lead. If people simply choose a better material to make buckshot out of, then buckshot becomes undoubtedly effective.

@@infogunvault6920 I'd rather just use brenneke hardcast slugs, which remove all doubt. We live in the internet age, and there is no excuse to buy inferior loads. I haven't seen hardcast buck shot yet.

Stereo is the default for Audacity, and I don't see any reason why mono would be any better.