Hello everyone! Hope everyone liked this video, let me know if you guys want more videos talking about the hobby aspect of 40k in addition to the lore ones. Let me know some of your favorite old models as well!
The plastic Cadians are perfection. Those guys never skipped leg day and looked like the kind of monstrous men that would be the absolute minimum required just to be cannon fodder against all of the horrors of the galaxy. I can't really comment on the new kit, though. It costs $84 AUD for a box of 10. I bought my Cadians at $50 AUD for boxes of 20. I can't justify that cost for a newer version of something I already have.
This ^ the old metal pinks are probably among the best deamon models. I feel like they convey the whole warp being coming into the material way better than the regular humanoid deamons.
They're quite stunning - amazing to see something physical and static evoke such roiling churning mutating horror. Been in the hobby over thirty years, and I don't remember seeing them either... Definintely going down a Diaz minis rabbit-hole now...
The old Chaos Space Marine Squad (the firstborn Tactical Squad equivalent) came with a sprue of "mutations." Mostly arms with tentacles and crab claws, and some weird heads. Just cosmetic parts that you could use on any of your guys to get that "mutated, but not possessed" look. That was genius and I wish they still did things like that. As far as my personal favorite, well I have a few (I've been around since 3rd edition), but I'm going to mention the Eldar Farseer. Nothing wrong with the current one, but it just doesn't have as much personality as the metal ones. They're like the cover art of a codex became a 3d figure... but, you know... better than when they usually do that.
@@suppositionstudios Yeah they're way too bulky. I like the gaunt look that the FW ones have where it looks like conscripts who are wearing ill fitting gear. Instead of the rugby players the plastic kit gives you.
Oh that sounds sweet! Ya I wanna get my hands on some of the old metal, but I can’t justify it to myself when I don’t collect tau and they’re at least $20 a man. Thanks for watching!
@@Ottersanity Clipped off their helmet face shield thing. Then replaced it with a breacher head and glued a strike team shoulder pad to their chest. The modern stealth suits are hollow so the breacher helmets fit nice in that gap and the shoulder pad covers it from the front. Gives them a bit of bulky look which I like.
@@Ottersanity if you bulk up a normal fire warrior around the legs, add some bigger shoulders, and attach an XV25 backpack you're most of the way there
Love my 6 man squad of metal xv15s. I've seen the kitbash you used and it looks cool too. There is another suggestion by a fellow kitbasher to use firstborne marine torsos to make them look more proportioned.
I think having to sculpt the models from scratch with greenstuff rather than designing them entirely within a computer program does have an impact on the aesthetic.
Ya for sure. I have seen some digital sculptors who I feel capture the feel of the older hand sculpted models pretty well, I really love the relic blade models. But I’m sure GW isn’t too worried about making their models have that look. Ik a lot of people really like the super clean precise look, which is valid. I personally like the more cartoony look. Thanks for watching!
@@KrakDuk I've got a really good in, I'm sure you'll get a good connection if you dig a little The best recasters are closed loop and they only let certain people order from them to maintain security The open market recasters tend to suffer from poor quality
I really miss the marine kits - like there was so much options, changes, shoulder pads, guns everything! Now we just get "dude with bolter" times 10 -.- I WANT ME GRIBBLY BITS
Ya I loved making the older kits! A lot of bits for customization, it was really fun. Plus a ton of kitbash fodder for later. The primaris are mostly too standardized for my tastes. I really love aggressors tho, even if they look a bit silly Thanks for watching!
This is just... Wrong? I don't know how else to say it. The new intercessor kit has a lot more options for additional bitz, pouches and even entire arms that have optional equipment and poses. I am absolutely bewildered how people think the old kit has more options
@@NoUseForAName06 the tactical kit has a lot more weapon options, different head options, little tabbards and banners for the Sgt, as well as little ornaments. I prefer those over the pouches and purity seals myself. The old kit also has different arms? Not sure about that one. Thank you for watching tho!
What I loved about the Older Marine pose is they had little accessories to go with them. A auspex scanner, one could be holding a knife, the finger pointing. It worked for them. For standard Intercessors all they have if I remember are ammo magazines being loaded
Ya, the intercessors were my first kit and so I shocked how much customization there was when I finally built an older kit. The old ones have so many fun bits to really make your troops yours. It’s a lot more fun to build imo. Thanks for watching!
@@KrakDuk My first kit was the Blood Angels starter set. Had a Captain in Blood Angels Terminator armor, a ten man Tactical Squad, and a Baal Predator. Was a fun set to build.
13:50 Funny thing about them coexisting is that in the old dawn of war rts games when you get a unit of stealth suits, majority of the unit is wearing the xv15, while the squad leaders wear the xv25. So a fully upgraded stealth suit unit in dow have a really cool mixed suit look which is pretty rad.
That's really the way the new suit looks it's best, as a unit leader or a heavy weapons option, when it's the whole unit it looks clunky, but when it's surrounded by smaller support elements it becomes like a baby ghostkeel
I like the XV15 suits as *armour,* which is why I think that they went to the XV25. The XV25's look big enough that a Tau could fit into it and pilot it, whereas the XV15 is clearly not a *battlesuit.* I've given up on 40k, not only because Primaris are heresy and Cawl is even more BS than a Guilliman revived by a tech magos and a nondominational Eldar religious leader working together, escorted, no less, by workaholic Eldar who found God, degenerate Eldar who found God, and the *Black Templars.* The real problem is that that they have moved the timeline forward and ruined the grimdarkness of the setting. What the hell is all this hope rekindled because primarchs are coming back, new technology is being invented, and Super-Astartes are so plentiful? That setting was always 5 minutes 'till midnight was the strength of the setting, not a flaw. What GW *should* have done was mine 10k+ years of history to create new stories and release new models. How about an Age of Apostasy campaign? No Decree Passive yet, so GW could make and sell Ecclesiarchy soldiers. How about a different campaign for each Black Crusade? They could introduce new vehicles that don't exist in the 41st millennium and explain it by saying that the STC was lost or destroyed in the conflict. Want some Primarchs but don't want to re-enact the Horus Heresy? How about campaign set during the Scouring? They could even set a campaign during the Unification Wars and early Great Crusade. Doing so would (1) allow GW to make special rules for each legion to represent how they were before their respective primarchs were found, (2) have playable Thunder Warriors and non-Imperial human factions trying to defend their parts of Terra from the Emperor, (3) Introduce new alien races that don't need to make sense in any later period of time because the Imperium xenocided them, (4) Have non-imperium centered campaigns to flesh out or make new model lines without having rules bloat because players will know that their faction will also be getting a campaign, (5) get rid of plot armour for named characters because even if they are dead by the end of the 41's millennium, they could be used in games set in an earlier era, perhaps dying heroically in the final decisive battle. Nothing would stop players from doing some dream matchup just throwing anything they have into a battle; it might not be balanced, but it is a dream match. Moreover, it would make tournaments more interesting if they were to be set in a particular era - it would affect list creation and therefore make each era have a different meta. A large tournament could even be made up of multiple, smaller tournaments, each set in a different era. What happened to "forging a narrative?" From a business standpoint, my plan would likely have satisfied both people who liked the 40k universe as it was and those who like story progression. It would allow the creation of new models to sell, encourage players to buy and paint multiple armies, and release special rules tweaks and scenarios for each campaign, which players would buy if they wanted in on the new hotness. It might relieve the pressure of having to keep making new stuff to keep longtime players who already have stuff buying more stuff since the new campaign might involve factions that said players don't have. The Imperial Guard line might benefit particularly well from this since perhaps the Cadians are not involved, but the Moridian Iron Guard are (or allow them to bring back things like rough riders without it being too out of place because they would make sense in the particular campaign). They could revisit already-released eras with both canonical battles not yet explored or "What If" scenarios for those who like it a bit wacky (War of the Beast Orks vs Tau; Dornian Heresy; Goge Vandire won?), thereby allowing a lot of creativity without screwing over the canonical timeline (by labelling these non-canonical scenarios something like "GW What If"); such a thing would enable them to keep putting out new material without having to come up with new units to encourage players to buy anything more than the new mini campaign itself, thereby helping with customer good will and loyalty. It might give Black Library authors direction and allow the creation of multiple miniseries tie-ins, or stand-alone novels, for each era; the stories might be better than what we get now because we would know the ending, but not how it came about - mimicking the successful formula of the Horus Heresy series. They could even encourage purchase of the novels by including mini-campaigns or special scenarios so that players who read the book can play out the battles written about therein on the table. But they don't listen to me. Because they are fools. Malifaux FTW.
@@hanng1242 I would argue the x15 is a battlesuit, it's just the smallest class possible, so really it should be called the x05 it is an incredibly small suit of tau power armor
Why did gw tone down so much gross and grotesque out of the demons models which is their big selling point. fancy making the models worse and charge more for them
What i really, REALLY don't like about the new Tau is that they use that generic white colour sceme for all the display models. I loved the sandy yellow armor. They imediately stood out wherever you saw them.
Oh ya I loved the yellow scheme, that’s how I painted my killteam. The white is a bit generic, my mother thought they were storm troopers lol. Thanks for watching!
I think it's funny, I got a friend of mine into the game and he started with Necrons. Turned out to be a fantastic painter (his stuff is insane Golden Demon worthy now) and his second army was Tau. He painted his Tau in what would become the new standard white but he painted his back when they were that ochre/yellow color. It was like GW saw his and were like "copy that".
Those are different sub-faction colors. GW occasionally changes the poster faction for the display models. The old desert camo look for the Tau was the Tau Sept and the white one is Viorla Sept. The Eldar poster faction used to be Biel-Tan and is now Siam-Hann. Orks used to all be Goffs but now they have most infantry done up as Goffs, most cavalry done as Snakebites, and most vehicles done as Bad Moons. My point is that each faction has about a half dozen or so official sub-factions each with their own official colors (except the specific Space Marine Chapters and Chaos Space Marine Legions which originally were the individual sub-factions for each of those armies) and the ones on the box change from time to time.
It's extra good because the good old tau color is a very traditional single pigment paint, so it thins great, doesn't separate, and basically every paint line carries it Vior'la white is a painting nightmare
In german there is a word for what GW did" Verschlimmbessern" Basically the improvement worsens the outcome. And i would like to add one Kit GW took from us the 2021 Cadia shock troops. One of my favourites😢 gone but not forgotten. Stellar video! Didn't expect anything else from you!
Yes! I loved that kit, the upgrade sprue was wonderful. I was lucky and found a few at LVO for a decent price, but it’d be nice if it was out for longer. I think GW almost tried too hard when updating the guard range and changed too many things for my tastes. Thanks for watching! I always appreciate seeing you in the comments
The worst part is that when you try and find any of the older kits, everyone is selling the new stuff labeled as the old, including using the old pictures
You can thank the 'Corporate family friendly' approach that GW briefly shifted towards for the change in the Daemonettes. A lot of people forget how, for the longest time, GW tried to sideline Slaanesh in both Lore and game terms to the point of basically trying to remove them in Age of Sigmar. From what we can tell this is largely due to Alan Merrit being incharge aka The man that killed Warhammer Fantasy and nearly bankrupt the Company via other means with GW only being saved by, of all things, contrast paints. We see this with Slaanesh getting a massive range refresh and bought into AoS *after* he left. Though, to be fair, those plastic Daemonettes are older models, I think it was...4th or 5th edition where they bought them out when they switched over from Metal to Finecast and were, as mentioned, the only thing beyond the Keeper of Secrets that kept Slaanesh representation in game until their huge plastic range refresh.
Yes I love that daemon prince! He looks so cool, I think the way Diaz sculpted the armor fusing with the daemon looks better than the new ones. Diaz has some of my favorite sculpts of all time, a true legend. Thanks for watching
Scions. I've grown to love them and they do convey "evil Imperium" really well.... BUT... My heart belongs to the metal Stormtroopers. Not the originals that just looked like ordinary dudes. The second gen ones that looked like future tech soldiers, they were fantastic!
Me too! They looked super cool. I also like scions but the old stormtroopers are on a whole different level. They really sell the sci fi spec ops look imo. Thanks for watching!
I can recall me myself stating that the old daemonettes looked soooo much cooler multiple times, only to be labelled as a t*t-fiend (which incidentally exists in 40k). It’s not that. It’s the entire aesthetic of them, kind of alluring from afar, but gross and even terrifying up close. It embodies all that Slaaanesh and his followers were ascribed to be. Perfection, in my opinion. I even forgot about the horrors. So much style in those sculpts, absolutely beautiful!!
I will say as a longtime collector of guard figures I do really miss the old model designs. Especially where heavy weapons like bolters are involved. I will say that, in a beautiful twist, the new shock troops and veteran guardsmen killteam are PERFECT for a spelljammer homebrew I’m working on.
Ooh ya I love when guardsmen use bolters haha. Tbh idrk what spelljammer is, but that’s great! I love to see when people use GW minis outside of Warhammer. A lot of people have super cool conversions and recontextualizations of the minis. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, there are many reasons I got the Juan Diaz Daemonettes. 4-6 reasons being obvious while the others just being the poses and faces being way better.
I loved how in Dawn of War, a Tau Stealthsuit team was comprised of XV15 suits, until you upgraded it with a Shas'ui who led the team of XV15s in an XV25 Stealthsuit. That balance seemed perfect. You have your little team of invisible jetpacking guys led by a sergeant in a heavy, more bulky, prototype suit.
Got into Warhammer last year. Knew Slaaneshi daemons was my army. Looked at the current models. Honestly I only want the Seekers and the Infernal Enrapturess' harp. Maybe a Fiend. Gosh I love the Seekers. For the rest I'm really glad that 3D printing was my gateway drug into Warhammer. The Diaz Daemonettes were definitely much better, even down to posing, sense of character, sense of story
Evil Thought .. Demonettes are the one Model where GW could go full on WOKE PC WARRIOR REPRESENTATION. all kind of Gender Organs everywhere .. which would fit wildly into the beautiful but gross column. Also different kind of extremities in different sizes to make them more uncanny. You want to buy some Demonettes ? .. yeah sorry I need to see some ID first.
I actually really like the seekers as well. I don’t know what went wrong with the standard daemonettes. Even with the design aside, I don’t get the poses they were going for at all. Thanks for watching!
Ya once I saw them I was in awe. Honestly some of the coolest models I’ve seen, it’s a bit of a shame they went for a different art direction for the update. It’s also really hard to find the ones who are actually splitting which is a big shame as well. Thanks for watching! Good luck on your hunt
Seems like GW is moving away from the British/Russian Army aesthetic for the Cadians and moving more towards US Army, which I find to be a weird choice. The new cadians have the little helmet brim like on the M1 helmet, and the new lasguns straight up look like M1 Garands. I'm quite a fan of the Rogal Dorn tank, but it is clearly more US inspired than the Leman Russ which was more like a British WW1 & Russian WW2 tank hybrid. Look up the M6 heavy tank - seems to be quite a big inspiration for the Rogal Dorn. They even have the heavy stubber (aka M2 browning) mounted on the turret rear manned by a dude standing on the engine deck like was done with M4 Shermans.
Uhhh, I absolutely agree with every you said about Chaos models here except the thing about slightly-mutated Chaos Marines... is that we already have the Chosen as half-possessed models. Sure though, I agree they could be even slightly more mutated, and the possessed should have more than just mutated flesh and extra spikes.
Tbh I don’t really feel like the chosen look mutated enough. Maybe it’s just because I haven’t built that kit myself, but they kinda just look like normal legionaries with extra bling. But I see your point, of them already being an in between. Thanks for watching!
GW of late seems to be doing a lot of this smoothing out of stuff that has changed the aesthetics for a lot of factions. The latest ork vehicles are quite bad in this regard, the new cars and stuff don't look like stuff made of scrap, they have smooth bodies and identical, clean wheels. The old Trukk is like the perfect example of how they should look, but this isn't captured in the new stuff.
Ya I totally agree. It’s a dissapointing trend to me, I prefer a more hobbled together look in general for the setting (other than eldar and tau). ESPECIALLY for orks, some of their newer vehicles look factory made rather than some crap a Mek put together. Thanks for watching!
I think good poses would go along way for them. The design looks fine in other kits like the seekers. I just don’t get what they were going for with the poses. Thanks for watching!
I like how the Tau lore still says that elite veterans still prefer the old XV15 suite because of the better stealth performance (while the new one has a better energy core). This is how you handle a controverse "update".
Oh that’s actually cool, I didn’t realize that was explained in lore. I like that idea, I also feel it kinda mirrors real life. Some people will always prefer older equipment they’re comfortable with. Now they just need to give us models again😭
I’m not super familiar with fantasy, but I looked it up and ya I prefer the old ones. The new ones look weird, I don’t like the tights and barefootedness of some of them. Thanks for watching!
Heroic pose vs combat pose. A lot of old guys feel like they are mid battle, new guys feel like they are actually posing. I personally prefer many of the newer ones, but I absolutely understand why people like the older ones.
@@TheLordofMetroids something else that gets me is how the marines were made into specialist squads. I don’t mind specialists at all given how most of the time I’ll kit a whole squad with the same gear anyway, but there’s a whole world of tactical flexibility you lose out on. Like for example: an Intercessor squad with a desolator attached for some slight AV annoyance from an otherwise expendable squad. How they turned 1 box (devastators) into 5 different ones. (I can’t even name them all) Less for specialism, more for “you gotta buy more if you wanna be more flexible.” It was a bad change.
@@lonecolamarine that I 100% agree with. More options in a box is always nice, and it's not like I'd you want oh say 20 flamer Marines, but 10 bolter marines for some occasions, the vast majority of people aren't going to buy 30 Marines anyways. And of course having more stuff in boxes to make more elaborate kit bashes and really make your captains or lords or whatever yours can only help the hobby.
@@TheLordofMetroids well I mean another thing is… Infernus marines. Salamanders are probably very happy, but I can’t think of many times I went “golly-gee, I wish I had 5 flamers in a squad.”
@@KrakDuk if anything, i'd bow to Slaanesh. To weak to be accepted by Khorne. To scared of change for Tzeentch. A little to clean for Nurgle. But Goth Deamon "Girls", yeah why not.
I'll have to disagree with the tau xv2s stealth suits. You are right that they do 'stealthy elite troops" worse than the old tau stealth suits, but these look like a lighter, more mobile hardsuit/mech suit with out losing out too much on fire power. They look to me like a really fun "stealth mech" meant to work with infantry and among infantry rather than what most mechs do. The egg shape is silly but that adds to the fun of it to me.
A bit of a niche thing, but I personally really preferred the older Canoptek Scarabs compared to the new ones. The new kit is fine and conveys the swarm idea better, but IMHO the previous iteration felt more mystical and ancient, more alien. The new ones are 100% scarab swarms, with the necron stuff added on. The old ones are weird, eldritch totem-construct-artifact-things that people called 'scarabs' because that was the closest analogy they could think of...
Oh yeah, the blocky ones? I like those, they definitely do look more alien. The new ones totally just look like regular robot bugs haha. Thanks for watching!
Surprised you didn’t mention Box Dreads. They convay the “take what’s left of you, shove it into a baby coffin and plug it into a metal gun arms and legs” way better
I was surprised there were no Eldar aspect warriors in this vid. Then I thought about it and realised that it's moot because the warp spiders never got an updated sculpt
On the subject of Chaos Marines, I want the old raptors back, they had this corrupted, feral, predatory look. The new ones are just spikey dudes with jump packs.
The old Plague Marines and it's not even close. The new ones feel less like "rotten/decaying zombie Space Marines", and more like "Disgustingly mutated Space Marines"
@@theredcomet5670 That designer who did the new DG was very into the job. He basicly blackmailed GW to give them to him. Well, he had fun, but I also think it's a bit too much... almost borderline cartoonish... Also I will never accept DG having 2 unique terminator units while World Eaters still got no Red Butchers...
And among the death guard range, the dumbest opiton is the cartoonish poxwalkers, which also happen to be monopose. There's some sensible ones in the sprue, but some are just so bad, especially in multiples.
Ya, the desolation marine’s guns look both scrapped together and too generically “tactical gun” looking for me. I think the idea could have almost worked with a few alterations and imperial decorations. Thanks for watching!
@@KrakDuk yeah it's just the mixture of a comical amount of barrels and the fact that it looks so out of place in the usual imperial armory that makes it appear just plain ugly. Not to mention, as you already said in your video, these giant guns don't seem to have any weight to them, only adding to the toy gun look they get by that. No problem, I greatly enjoy your content!
my favorite part is buying the models... then building them... then never painting them... then buying more guys that im pretty sure i need for my army... then building them... then never painting them... and repeat.
One old miniature I preffer is the necron monolith, I know it looks very bland and doesnt have much details compared to the new one but thats why I like it. It gives a feeling of it having been built for a purpose and thats it, not to look good or appealing, which is how I imagine a species of souless robots would build stuff.
I don't think that really meshes with the rest of the Necron aesthetic though. If these guys weren't interested in making things look good, why would they have designed themselves to look like badass robot skeleton egyptians?
I agree with most of your ideas in this. Especially the Space Marines, I haven't really looked at their models that much but when you put the Intersessors next to the Desolators you can see they literally just adjusted the 3d model to put a bigger weapon in their hands rather than create new sculpts for the heavier weapons.
I also much prefer the old Dreadnought too. They're a bit small for Primaris, yes, but they are only to hold the most bare remains of a space marine that wouldn't otherwise survive in ordinary power armour. They don't need to have a lot of space for a body because there _isn't much body left._ Plus that boxy nature, though occasionally mocked, actually gives them a distinct silhouette! You can spot them as a GW/40K mech from several kilometers away! But Redemptors? They're just a blob on legs. Too round and indistinct. The old design was just that much stronger and is why its endured for so long. In fact, the only way to have ever improved the box-naught was to give a mini Chaos makeover for the _Chaos Dreadnought._ That Hellbrute looks older than the thing it replaced!
I liked the Dawn of War Dark Crusade approach to the Tau stealth suits, where the older, sleeker design are the "footsoldiers" of stealth teams, led by a sergeant using the newer, bulkier suit. Imagine being attacked by the smaller ones and then suddenly the larger one pops out of nowhere and uses his fusion gun to delete your tank, and they all just slink back into darkness, pretty cool.
I agree 100% on the heroic scale Guard, it helped convey the aspect of how they fought their battles. The average soldier wasn't some cadian commando decked out in tactical gear and equipment, you were fodder in uniform with a rifle and maybe a grenade. You could field waves of literal conscripts in the army.
I love the egg suits, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I also love the XV15 suits as well. I hope they will use the XV15 sculpt for new units in the future, like super breachers. Loading those models up with a double barrel pulse blaster would be sweet.
I love the X-15. I went out of my way to get some of them when I was still building things. Just the aesthetic of a bulked-up Fire Warrior with a massive minigun strapped to their arm is perfection. The especially weird thing about the XV-25 is that it was meant to be a stopgap. An XV-15 helmet was captured by Imperium forces and the suit's intended successor, the XV-22, wasn't ready yet, so the Tau rushed a replacement into production to tide them over until the 22 was ready. And then that just... didn't happen. We got Commanders wearing XV-22 prototypes (Most notably Shadowsun, but Kais and Ores'ka from the DoW games also used XV-22s), and then nothing else. Now Shadowsun's one looks completely different and has extra arms, and the XV-25 is pushing twenty years old, while the DoW commanders are MIA.
I'd agree with all of these apart from the guard one, I kinda like how the Cadians remind me more of their metal versions than the original plastic kit. When the original plastic kit came out it was ridiculed for the dorky, oversized helmets and people gradually got used to them over time. I will add that I preferred the previous incarnation of the Space Marine Centurion. Now, someone is going to correct me and say that they didn't have a previous model. This is where I say "Exactly". :p I can't get my head around how much more personality the old horrors had. I remember the Daemonettes being better, but I'd forgotten how much more characterful the old horrors looked.
Possibly hottest take: Obliterators. People complained about the 3.5 edition ones, but I think they nailed the "Marine daemonically fused with his armour" look. They really just needed a proportion adjustment (pin heads). The new ones look like giant cyborg Ogryns wearing (not melded with - very important IMO!) some kind of armour that's a vague halfway point between a Dreadnought/Helbrute and Centurion armour (not something I've seen elsewhere in the CSM range, unlike the last generation of Obliterators). They look more like deliberately made Dark Mechanicum constructs than what the lore describes them as. The very first Obliterators from the 3.0 codex are still bad though. Someone once described those to me as "like someone covered a random metal human model in glue and rolled it around in their bits box", which is not wrong, ha.
I love those obliterators. I almost picked up one of the chonky metal ones at LVO. I agree with you they do the merged with more look pretty well. The fleshy machine look is both off putting and awesome. Thanks for watching
@@Swooper86 it just looks silly. If it had like, a dragon head or a daemon head it would be rad, because admittedly, the archaon himself is quite good looking. But im sorry, the old model has such a fucking presence. Dorghar's face and detail is SOOOOO well made and the pose is so, so goddamn dynamic and foreboding. A sign of Chaos' strength. A vision of death. I admit im not much of a Old World/Sigmar girl, ive mostly dabbled in 40k, but fuck, that model nearly dragged me into it just for how sheerly awesome it was. I also have the old weird metal archaon. Dumpy ass, love him. Edit: Props to the normal Archaon (On foot) too. He also looks rad. But what is a warrior without his steed?
@@sophieprime4669 Even with a single dragon/daemon head, Dorghar would still look bad. His pose is so awkward, and I really don't like the wings. I have around 8000p of Slaves to Darkness myself, and no plans to ever buy the new Archaon. I have the old one and the on foot one though!
They are! Them and the horrors were the main inspirations of this list. I’ve always loved those models and lamented missing out on them being in stores. Hope you like the video!
This is a fantastic video, I was able to watch this with my friends and discuss what we thought about the models. They aren't even into Warhammer. These opinion videos allow me to talk about warhammer to my friends while learning more about the history and design of old warhammer. I hope to see more in the future!
Units like Desolation Squad, were only to get around the rule: "Weapon Options, is what comes in the box." It's why Smurfs have a bunch of standalone Primaris units.
They really should have just used the Juan Diaz Daemonettes as the base design when updating them with maybe some tassels or strategically placed shells if they wanted to be more PG. And while I'm not the biggest fans of the Rogue Trader Chaos Marines (outside of Bloodletter Marine and Bugman Marine), the CSM shouldn't really look like the majority of their actual Marines just retreated from Terra. I would like the walking eggs better if instead of a Stealthsuit update they were either a Breacher upgrade or were lie, half-way point between Breachers and Crisis Suits. Because to me, the eggs at first glance scream "Assault Shocktroopers" or "Grenadiers" or hell, even "Anti-tank Sappers". Stealth is not one of the things I think of when I see the walking eggs.
Still have my Diaz Deamonettes. Love em. Also, the Chaos Havoc Heavy Bolter from back in the day is IMO the coolest Astartes to ever carry a heavy weapon. Cause at the time, the heavy weapons of the Loyalist Marines were all shoulder mounted. And this dude comes out The Warp with a Heavy Bolter held low with an armbrace and a chain. And with a bit of effort you can make it look like he's using it one handed, and it still looked like a heavy weapon he was just that badass.
I feel you on the sentinel but in an even more nitpicky way - I hate that the current Broadside is still an XV88 despite being large enough it should be in a new size class. The first number in T'au designations are the size class of the platform (the second is a Variant/Role designation); Hazard Suits, something much smaller than the newer Broadside, are XV9s, - the Broadside is in a *smaller size class* despite the extra bulk, only because the old Broadside was a modified XV8 Crisis Suit, so it was Size Class 8, Variant 8. And while cute, the old XV88 is a baby by comparison. Really it just stems from the naming entire system not making much sense in the first place. In terms of existing models/lore it scales from Class 2, of the XV25, straight to XV8, something not all that much larger, with nothing in between except one dubious-canon suit in one of the RPGs (the XV46 Vanguard) and then XV10s (i.e. of the XV104 Riptide) being only marginally larger than the XV95 (Ghostkeel, 5 designates a stealth role)alsoionlythinkitslargeridontownaghostkeelbecauseidontlikeiiiiittheymightactuallybethesamesize. The name readability also immediately breaks once you to and past class 10 (104? sure, 10-4? well, a 128 is like.. Size 1 - Variant 2 (designation for Experimental, i.e. XV22, Shadowsun's suit) - Subvariant ???, oh you mean thats a Class 12 actually? I just headcanon that its something idiotic the humans did when translating captured intelligence because all intel officers are eternally drooling morons and that it makes perfect sense when not written in Gothic Nahhhh just throw the whole pot out and start over with a stat crunch. Shove Crisis Suits to be XV3/XV4s so broadsides can be XV4/5s and crunch the rest down too. ~~Also maybe without Phil Kelly~~ Tune in next week for More Things Only I Give A Shit About
Oh wait I didn’t realize there was supposed to be a reason behind the battlesuits numbers. That’s really interesting and actually pretty dumb how the broadside is classified lol. They should have renamed it and called it a newer in universe model of the broadside when they updated the mini. It’s clearly much different than the original that was basically just a crisis suit with a big gun. I understand your frustration lol. It’s kinda like how the eldar wraith knight is the bigger version of the Wraith lord, even tho I feel Lord should be higher than knight. Kinda just a product of the model releases I suppose Thanks for watching!
I think the other thing they could do to help things our is just adding a dash, so the if you get to a size 1 suit to the 11 variant it's not xv111, it's xv 1-11, it's a lot easier to read and tells you that the numbers mean something
I was really happy with the updated Guard sprue they did a year or so before introducing the whole new line. It was just the normal guard sprue with some extra bits for more customisation in, like an in-built upgrade sprue. I wish they'd keep making those.
I just got into the Imperial Guard and I love the look of the leman Russ. Big chunk blocky forms. That type of more apocalyptic rugged Sci-fi is the one I prefer. It just feels more powerful.
Me too! I love the classic Leman Russ it’s such an iconic design. I see a lot of people saying they should shrink the gun, but that would kinda kill the design for me. The silhouette of the classic battle tank would be alot less iconic. Thanks for watching!
i agree with you on everything except the new Cadian shock troops. I LOVE the shock troops because they look so much more human, and I don't mean in proportions. The kit is absolutely filled with humanizing details; rolled sleeves, mess kits, mismatched gear, helmet covers, that sort of the thing. The plasma gunner has an oven mitt! These details, to me, match the Guard fantasy far better than the completely uniform ranks of square, armoured soldiers, or at least what the Guard fantasy is to me; that regular, scared, normal people are taking up laser guns and bayonets and charging into battle against all these insane sci-fi threats, and through the power of friendship and artillery they just might win the day.
I am very much in agreement, with additional notes for the Imperial entries. The aesthetic was more distinctive a decade ago, and the ranges for space marines and guard were just so much more cross-compatible; nowadays so many models are released to be built one way only (often completely monopose) and Primaris' only avenue for kitbashing is via expensive upgrade frames. I'm very much into 3D printing nowadays, with a lot of my prints harking back to those design and build philosophies from before 8th edition.
heroic scale plastic kit for mid 2000s got me into the hobby. Cadian kit was such a classic, really easy to build and to paint to test colour schemes. As much I love some of the new kits, building and painting got more difficult and less fun. I bought some of the boxy dreadnoughts cause I they look iconic.
- completely baffled that you didn't mention necrons, as they moved from living metal to rusting old robots with pieces of legs and arms falling off - as a tau fan for life I completely agree on xv15 + xv25 to coexist, they HAVE to, they are too different in models to be just the same unit from the game perspective actually. - same goes for sentinels, I actually like them but agree they are too sleek and better to be like heavier variant because why tf not
Thanks for watching! Ya I didn’t mention the old necrons because tbh im just not the most invested in that faction so I don’t really have strong opinions about them usually. They’re cool, just not one of my top 5s. Ya agreed. I’d absolutely love if they got an upadate, or more unrealistically just brought back the metal models Again totally agree. The new sentinel aestheitc just doesn’t really vibe with me. I’d like if it was kinda treated like the dorn and russ, slightly beefier alternative. the size and aesthetic differences match up too well
For me it was the Space Marine scout squad. The metal version was the coolest range from all the space marine line. Then the plastic version came out looking so dirppy. Apparently they were one of the first plastic kits made with 3D sculpting software.
Couldn't agree more about the Guard - I would raise a paint too, often now they aren't even painted the same. The old Guard models had the khaki fatigues with the distinct green for the armor for the "default/Cadian" guardsmen look. Now I tend to see them mostly just painted using contrast paints, and a much lighter shade of green and a darker shade of brown is used instead of khaki color - this bothers me. When I started the Guard, Cadia Stands box set was released and I had so little fun assembling and painting those ultradetailed models I ended up trading it all up for the older sculpts. I just love how iconic and how much more fun to paint (at least subjectivelly) they are.
Surprised by how much I agree with these takes (I’m pretty cool with new chaos marines though). For my personal take though: I know I’m biased because of nostalgia, but as a nids player I prefer the look of the old termagaunts. The new ones, though VASTLY superior sculpt in terms of detail, have more defined musculature that make them look less bug like imo.
I’ve got 5 of the old metal horrors with a few splitting guys. They were very pricy second hand on eBay but not too much worse than modern gw plastic. The sculpts are so dynamic and so well encapsulate the ever-changing nature of tzeentch. They were also an absolute joy to paint. I’m using two of them as possessed in my tzeentch-themed Cult of the Possessed warband for Mordheim.
For WHFB, I love the old, 6th edition Chaos Warriors. They had non-uniform armour (and a mutations sprue, to boot!). They'd easily fit on a 30mm square base and finally rank up (they didn't rank up well on 25mm's at all). They're still armoured head-to-toe, but they convey the chaotic side of chaos instead of the modern 'Armoured Guy with Cape #2501'
Can we get a video on which new models you think were really an improvement over older models? My big ones are the new Khorne Berzerkers and the new Flayed Ones. The Berzerkers needed an upgrade so badly and the new ones are beautiful. And the Flayed Ones actually had even better models in the past that were replaced by some of the laziest sculpts I have ever seen from GW - so the newest ones were very welcome.
I prefer the old Kantrael Lasguns over the new Kantrael Lasguns. The old Lasgun looked more blocky and blunt. It did fit the design and style of the Empire so well. Serviceable, cheap and yet effective and in its own way elegant.
Another benefit of the Devastators over the Desolators: the Devastators are nearly 3 boxes for the price of one. You get enough guns and backpacks and heads that if you can scrounge up some spare legs (or print some), you can use basically every piece in the box to build a model. It just feels way more pro-consumer in contrast to a lot of newer kits that somehow have the worst of both worlds: selling you extra plastic, but not enough for you to do anything with it, just burning money.
So agree with you on the Tau. Watching them go 'bigger is better' has saddened me. Sleek combat suit and high-tech personal weapons is what I signed up for originally. Now it is all about the monstrous missile pods and cannons, just with legs!
I've always felt that arm baldes made of bone would work better for the Daemonets of Slanesh, instead of the weird crab claws. Like keep the dark color but really lean into them looking like bones. It would make sense from a lore perspective given how the Daemonets can change their form.
Not sure if it's been mentioned... But Old Repentia. "Ehh you're just a coomer" Shut up. I know they're hot and all that, and that can be a selling point. But the NEW repentia don't scream fanatical warrior seeking redemption in battle. They scream basketball players with giant swords. There's no body horror besides tiny ass spikes, there's no flowing length of holy scripture, and somehow the swords have gotten SMALLER. The only thing they have going for them is the ports for the power armor.
TRUE, I love the metal Repentia. I almost included them but with the daemonettes I might have looked like a coomer🤣. But I totally agree, the old ones fit the theme a lot better than the biker shorts ones. The old ones really look like cultists who are screaming religious rhetoric and cutting folk up. The new ones are honestly super boring imo, I liked the flowing cloth and hoods of old. Thanks for watching!
Pink horrors were my favorite models in the entire range and the moment I saw the plastic ones I made it my mission to get every last metal horror I could find
I think what makes Juan Diaz's sculpts so good is how they were so different to the designs before and after, his bloodletters abd plaguebearers especially. I LOVE the on.e that has huge maggots for eyes bursting upwards.
as a fan of the Cadian and Daemonhunter stuff from 3rd edition I really like the old Kasrkin models, something about how bulky their armor was made em look like more elite guardsmen. The new ones look good but they don't have that chunk
I totally agree. While I generally like the new kasrkin, I think the old kasrkin are better. I really love the big blocky armor, my main gripe with the new ones is that the armor is too form fitting. The old ones looked like they had standard flak and then extra carapace armor added on which fit super well. Thanks for watching!
I love the old apostle. Iron halo, amazing eight pointed cozius. Prayer scrolls. He had everything. The new one has a blind skull for a mace and is standing on a rock instead of some books (which would fit way better) plus his backpack and the sheer amount of cloth make him look unintimidating. The old one had amazing armor.
I prefer the old mark 3 armor more than the new design I don’t dislike the new design I just think the old design felt more intimidating and industrial. Also I prefer the old space marine vehicles over then new ones hover tanks just don’t fit the space marine aesthetic in my opinion. Great video
The mk 3 is pretty cool, I like the knight aesthetic of it. Mk 7 will probably always be my favorite but the 3 is still up there. I totally agree on the vehicles, the treaded tanks felt more brutalist and rugged. Which really fits the imperium. Thanks for watching!
As a Tau player, sometimes I field 2x XV15s and a fusion armed XV25 in a squad. It gives my opponent a really clear indicator which one has the fusion gun, and also has that "commander gets the newer gear" trope going. As for guard, While I like the Dorn as a tank, to me the new Cadians look like they're wearing helmets ready for a nice day pony riding, not for battle. Much prefer the old sculpt. The old sculpt also made swapping parts around SO much easier.
In regards to the Stealth Suits, I'm fully with you there, which is why if I ever do model a T'au Force, I'm pulling a Dawn of War: Dark Crusade/The Exodite with my Stealth Suits, the Shas'vre leading the squad will get the singular XV25, while the Shas'ui subordinates will be using XV15s
Hello everyone! Hope everyone liked this video, let me know if you guys want more videos talking about the hobby aspect of 40k in addition to the lore ones. Let me know some of your favorite old models as well!
honestly im in agreement, i like the older marines a lot better than the primaris.
I loved the art work but since GW models are too expensive in my country I cant give an opinion, however keep the good work the videos are great
New spacemarine tanks are gross.
Love ur content btw, but you missed a couple nips at 5:15 when you put the cape on you. Look top right
The old Leman Russ sculpt was great, new one added weapons but lost its depth of detail
The plastic Cadians are perfection. Those guys never skipped leg day and looked like the kind of monstrous men that would be the absolute minimum required just to be cannon fodder against all of the horrors of the galaxy. I can't really comment on the new kit, though. It costs $84 AUD for a box of 10. I bought my Cadians at $50 AUD for boxes of 20. I can't justify that cost for a newer version of something I already have.
Moral of the story,
Everything Juan Diaz ever sculpted for GW is absolutely fire, and they have never been able to recapture the glory ever since
Literally. Juan Diaz has some of the best sculpts of all time. I love his kasrkin and daemons especially. A true legend
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The only exception is the new fiends. The "stockings" are just 👌Chefskiss!
Everyone kneel before Old Nagash
Such is the power of Nagash
Okay but I ain't reading his titles
He has the biggest hat and is therefore the supreme being
All hail the old Nagash!
And treeman.
SUCH IS THE POWER OF NAGASH.
Wow the old tzeentch horrors look amazing. I’d never seen them before. Way cooler than the new ones.
Ya they’re some of my favorites of all time. They really sell the theme I feel they should be going for. Thanks for watching!
One of my biggest hobby regrets is that I never got a set back when I was first into Warhammer as a kid. They're leagues better than the new models
This ^ the old metal pinks are probably among the best deamon models. I feel like they convey the whole warp being coming into the material way better than the regular humanoid deamons.
They're quite stunning - amazing to see something physical and static evoke such roiling churning mutating horror.
Been in the hobby over thirty years, and I don't remember seeing them either...
Definintely going down a Diaz minis rabbit-hole now...
The old Chaos Space Marine Squad (the firstborn Tactical Squad equivalent) came with a sprue of "mutations." Mostly arms with tentacles and crab claws, and some weird heads. Just cosmetic parts that you could use on any of your guys to get that "mutated, but not possessed" look. That was genius and I wish they still did things like that.
As far as my personal favorite, well I have a few (I've been around since 3rd edition), but I'm going to mention the Eldar Farseer. Nothing wrong with the current one, but it just doesn't have as much personality as the metal ones. They're like the cover art of a codex became a 3d figure... but, you know... better than when they usually do that.
The old FW Death Korps of Krieg and Renegades and Heretics models will always be the best looking models GW ever made.
Ya those are both real cool! Thanks for watching!
Agreed. The renegades’ aesthetic and design philosophy is way above any new chaos cultist or traitor guard models.
Agreed, I put the new krieg squad next to the FW command krieg and the new ones look crap
@@suppositionstudios Yeah they're way too bulky. I like the gaunt look that the FW ones have where it looks like conscripts who are wearing ill fitting gear. Instead of the rugby players the plastic kit gives you.
Old Krieg are still superior to new krieg sculpts, in my opinion
The old stealth suit models were so much better than the current ones. I’ve kit bashed the majority of my stealth suits to look like them.
Oh that sounds sweet! Ya I wanna get my hands on some of the old metal, but I can’t justify it to myself when I don’t collect tau and they’re at least $20 a man.
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How did you kitbash them?
@@Ottersanity Clipped off their helmet face shield thing. Then replaced it with a breacher head and glued a strike team shoulder pad to their chest. The modern stealth suits are hollow so the breacher helmets fit nice in that gap and the shoulder pad covers it from the front. Gives them a bit of bulky look which I like.
@@Ottersanity if you bulk up a normal fire warrior around the legs, add some bigger shoulders, and attach an XV25 backpack you're most of the way there
Love my 6 man squad of metal xv15s. I've seen the kitbash you used and it looks cool too. There is another suggestion by a fellow kitbasher to use firstborne marine torsos to make them look more proportioned.
Old guard really do sell the disposable soldier look, which is at the end of the day what they are
Ya I agree, I loved their simplicity. Thanks for watching!
I think having to sculpt the models from scratch with greenstuff rather than designing them entirely within a computer program does have an impact on the aesthetic.
Ya for sure. I have seen some digital sculptors who I feel capture the feel of the older hand sculpted models pretty well, I really love the relic blade models.
But I’m sure GW isn’t too worried about making their models have that look. Ik a lot of people really like the super clean precise look, which is valid. I personally like the more cartoony look.
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Jokes on GW, I bought 60 of the Juan Diaz daemonettes from my recaster
I’m about to resort to recasts, they’re so expansive😂😭. Thanks for watching!
@@KrakDuk I've got a really good in, I'm sure you'll get a good connection if you dig a little
The best recasters are closed loop and they only let certain people order from them to maintain security
The open market recasters tend to suffer from poor quality
@@captaincorundum9788 Damn.
Who is your recaster
@captaincorundum9788 I feel recasts are absolutely the way to go with out of production minis. It's just so difficult to find a good one.
I really miss the marine kits - like there was so much options, changes, shoulder pads, guns everything! Now we just get "dude with bolter" times 10 -.-
I WANT ME GRIBBLY BITS
Ya I loved making the older kits! A lot of bits for customization, it was really fun. Plus a ton of kitbash fodder for later. The primaris are mostly too standardized for my tastes. I really love aggressors tho, even if they look a bit silly
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There are various shoulder Pads and kneepads with bulges and stuff in the intercessor kit
This is just... Wrong? I don't know how else to say it. The new intercessor kit has a lot more options for additional bitz, pouches and even entire arms that have optional equipment and poses. I am absolutely bewildered how people think the old kit has more options
@@NoUseForAName06 the tactical kit has a lot more weapon options, different head options, little tabbards and banners for the Sgt, as well as little ornaments.
I prefer those over the pouches and purity seals myself. The old kit also has different arms? Not sure about that one.
Thank you for watching tho!
What I loved about the Older Marine pose is they had little accessories to go with them. A auspex scanner, one could be holding a knife, the finger pointing. It worked for them. For standard Intercessors all they have if I remember are ammo magazines being loaded
Ya, the intercessors were my first kit and so I shocked how much customization there was when I finally built an older kit.
The old ones have so many fun bits to really make your troops yours. It’s a lot more fun to build imo.
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@@KrakDuk My first kit was the Blood Angels starter set. Had a Captain in Blood Angels Terminator armor, a ten man Tactical Squad, and a Baal Predator. Was a fun set to build.
13:50 Funny thing about them coexisting is that in the old dawn of war rts games when you get a unit of stealth suits, majority of the unit is wearing the xv15, while the squad leaders wear the xv25. So a fully upgraded stealth suit unit in dow have a really cool mixed suit look which is pretty rad.
This, is the way.
That's really the way the new suit looks it's best, as a unit leader or a heavy weapons option, when it's the whole unit it looks clunky, but when it's surrounded by smaller support elements it becomes like a baby ghostkeel
I like the XV15 suits as *armour,* which is why I think that they went to the XV25. The XV25's look big enough that a Tau could fit into it and pilot it, whereas the XV15 is clearly not a *battlesuit.*
I've given up on 40k, not only because Primaris are heresy and Cawl is even more BS than a Guilliman revived by a tech magos and a nondominational Eldar religious leader working together, escorted, no less, by workaholic Eldar who found God, degenerate Eldar who found God, and the *Black Templars.* The real problem is that that they have moved the timeline forward and ruined the grimdarkness of the setting. What the hell is all this hope rekindled because primarchs are coming back, new technology is being invented, and Super-Astartes are so plentiful? That setting was always 5 minutes 'till midnight was the strength of the setting, not a flaw.
What GW *should* have done was mine 10k+ years of history to create new stories and release new models. How about an Age of Apostasy campaign? No Decree Passive yet, so GW could make and sell Ecclesiarchy soldiers. How about a different campaign for each Black Crusade? They could introduce new vehicles that don't exist in the 41st millennium and explain it by saying that the STC was lost or destroyed in the conflict. Want some Primarchs but don't want to re-enact the Horus Heresy? How about campaign set during the Scouring? They could even set a campaign during the Unification Wars and early Great Crusade. Doing so would (1) allow GW to make special rules for each legion to represent how they were before their respective primarchs were found, (2) have playable Thunder Warriors and non-Imperial human factions trying to defend their parts of Terra from the Emperor, (3) Introduce new alien races that don't need to make sense in any later period of time because the Imperium xenocided them, (4) Have non-imperium centered campaigns to flesh out or make new model lines without having rules bloat because players will know that their faction will also be getting a campaign, (5) get rid of plot armour for named characters because even if they are dead by the end of the 41's millennium, they could be used in games set in an earlier era, perhaps dying heroically in the final decisive battle. Nothing would stop players from doing some dream matchup just throwing anything they have into a battle; it might not be balanced, but it is a dream match. Moreover, it would make tournaments more interesting if they were to be set in a particular era - it would affect list creation and therefore make each era have a different meta. A large tournament could even be made up of multiple, smaller tournaments, each set in a different era. What happened to "forging a narrative?"
From a business standpoint, my plan would likely have satisfied both people who liked the 40k universe as it was and those who like story progression. It would allow the creation of new models to sell, encourage players to buy and paint multiple armies, and release special rules tweaks and scenarios for each campaign, which players would buy if they wanted in on the new hotness. It might relieve the pressure of having to keep making new stuff to keep longtime players who already have stuff buying more stuff since the new campaign might involve factions that said players don't have. The Imperial Guard line might benefit particularly well from this since perhaps the Cadians are not involved, but the Moridian Iron Guard are (or allow them to bring back things like rough riders without it being too out of place because they would make sense in the particular campaign). They could revisit already-released eras with both canonical battles not yet explored or "What If" scenarios for those who like it a bit wacky (War of the Beast Orks vs Tau; Dornian Heresy; Goge Vandire won?), thereby allowing a lot of creativity without screwing over the canonical timeline (by labelling these non-canonical scenarios something like "GW What If"); such a thing would enable them to keep putting out new material without having to come up with new units to encourage players to buy anything more than the new mini campaign itself, thereby helping with customer good will and loyalty. It might give Black Library authors direction and allow the creation of multiple miniseries tie-ins, or stand-alone novels, for each era; the stories might be better than what we get now because we would know the ending, but not how it came about - mimicking the successful formula of the Horus Heresy series. They could even encourage purchase of the novels by including mini-campaigns or special scenarios so that players who read the book can play out the battles written about therein on the table.
But they don't listen to me.
Because they are fools.
Malifaux FTW.
@@hanng1242 I would argue the x15 is a battlesuit, it's just the smallest class possible, so really it should be called the x05 it is an incredibly small suit of tau power armor
@@calebbarnhouse496 Power armour isn't a battlesuit. Armor is worn, a battlesuit is piloted.
How can one small guardsmen speak such truth?
we must Inform the Eclisarchy at once; a new saint is to be canonized!
Why did gw tone down so much gross and grotesque out of the demons models which is their big selling point.
fancy making the models worse and charge more for them
What i really, REALLY don't like about the new Tau is that they use that generic white colour sceme for all the display models.
I loved the sandy yellow armor. They imediately stood out wherever you saw them.
Oh ya I loved the yellow scheme, that’s how I painted my killteam. The white is a bit generic, my mother thought they were storm troopers lol.
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I think it's funny, I got a friend of mine into the game and he started with Necrons. Turned out to be a fantastic painter (his stuff is insane Golden Demon worthy now) and his second army was Tau.
He painted his Tau in what would become the new standard white but he painted his back when they were that ochre/yellow color. It was like GW saw his and were like "copy that".
Those are different sub-faction colors. GW occasionally changes the poster faction for the display models. The old desert camo look for the Tau was the Tau Sept and the white one is Viorla Sept. The Eldar poster faction used to be Biel-Tan and is now Siam-Hann. Orks used to all be Goffs but now they have most infantry done up as Goffs, most cavalry done as Snakebites, and most vehicles done as Bad Moons.
My point is that each faction has about a half dozen or so official sub-factions each with their own official colors (except the specific Space Marine Chapters and Chaos Space Marine Legions which originally were the individual sub-factions for each of those armies) and the ones on the box change from time to time.
Tau taught a generation of noobie painters a whole new painting vocabulary (dun, tan, ochre, etc.).
It's extra good because the good old tau color is a very traditional single pigment paint, so it thins great, doesn't separate, and basically every paint line carries it Vior'la white is a painting nightmare
In german there is a word for what GW did" Verschlimmbessern" Basically the improvement worsens the outcome.
And i would like to add one Kit GW took from us the 2021 Cadia shock troops. One of my favourites😢 gone but not forgotten.
Stellar video! Didn't expect anything else from you!
Really a short lifespan that kit had, a pity indeed
Yes! I loved that kit, the upgrade sprue was wonderful.
I was lucky and found a few at LVO for a decent price, but it’d be nice if it was out for longer. I think GW almost tried too hard when updating the guard range and changed too many things for my tastes.
Thanks for watching! I always appreciate seeing you in the comments
That word basically perfectly encapsulates everything wrong with the Primaris range
The worst part is that when you try and find any of the older kits, everyone is selling the new stuff labeled as the old, including using the old pictures
You can thank the 'Corporate family friendly' approach that GW briefly shifted towards for the change in the Daemonettes. A lot of people forget how, for the longest time, GW tried to sideline Slaanesh in both Lore and game terms to the point of basically trying to remove them in Age of Sigmar. From what we can tell this is largely due to Alan Merrit being incharge aka The man that killed Warhammer Fantasy and nearly bankrupt the Company via other means with GW only being saved by, of all things, contrast paints.
We see this with Slaanesh getting a massive range refresh and bought into AoS *after* he left. Though, to be fair, those plastic Daemonettes are older models, I think it was...4th or 5th edition where they bought them out when they switched over from Metal to Finecast and were, as mentioned, the only thing beyond the Keeper of Secrets that kept Slaanesh representation in game until their huge plastic range refresh.
... Contrast paints ARE nice though...
There's a reason they've been taken forever to give us Emperor's children: Slaanesh is not very corporate
Juan Diaz was just way too powerful when it came to demons. Just look at his demon prince. That's a timeless classic, I should know, I own 5!
Yes I love that daemon prince! He looks so cool, I think the way Diaz sculpted the armor fusing with the daemon looks better than the new ones.
Diaz has some of my favorite sculpts of all time, a true legend.
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Yeah it is definitely my favorite daemon prince mini
I’d watch a hour long rant from you about the guard, love me some guard
Maybe in the future lol, or if I end up streaming😂 I love the guard too and have a lot of opinions on them. Thanks for watching!
Scions. I've grown to love them and they do convey "evil Imperium" really well.... BUT... My heart belongs to the metal Stormtroopers. Not the originals that just looked like ordinary dudes. The second gen ones that looked like future tech soldiers, they were fantastic!
Me too! They looked super cool. I also like scions but the old stormtroopers are on a whole different level. They really sell the sci fi spec ops look imo.
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I can recall me myself stating that the old daemonettes looked soooo much cooler multiple times, only to be labelled as a t*t-fiend (which incidentally exists in 40k). It’s not that. It’s the entire aesthetic of them, kind of alluring from afar, but gross and even terrifying up close. It embodies all that Slaaanesh and his followers were ascribed to be. Perfection, in my opinion.
I even forgot about the horrors. So much style in those sculpts, absolutely beautiful!!
I will say as a longtime collector of guard figures I do really miss the old model designs. Especially where heavy weapons like bolters are involved. I will say that, in a beautiful twist, the new shock troops and veteran guardsmen killteam are PERFECT for a spelljammer homebrew I’m working on.
Ooh ya I love when guardsmen use bolters haha. Tbh idrk what spelljammer is, but that’s great! I love to see when people use GW minis outside of Warhammer. A lot of people have super cool conversions and recontextualizations of the minis.
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I collect old Catachans because I love the metal sculpts. The guy with the ham radio is a total MILF I need for my kill team
@@benjih-man612 ya the metal catachan are honestly really good models. I have 3 gunners, wish I had more.
Yeah, there are many reasons I got the Juan Diaz Daemonettes. 4-6 reasons being obvious while the others just being the poses and faces being way better.
I loved how in Dawn of War, a Tau Stealthsuit team was comprised of XV15 suits, until you upgraded it with a Shas'ui who led the team of XV15s in an XV25 Stealthsuit.
That balance seemed perfect. You have your little team of invisible jetpacking guys led by a sergeant in a heavy, more bulky, prototype suit.
Got into Warhammer last year. Knew Slaaneshi daemons was my army. Looked at the current models. Honestly I only want the Seekers and the Infernal Enrapturess' harp. Maybe a Fiend. Gosh I love the Seekers. For the rest I'm really glad that 3D printing was my gateway drug into Warhammer. The Diaz Daemonettes were definitely much better, even down to posing, sense of character, sense of story
Evil Thought .. Demonettes are the one Model where GW could go full on WOKE PC WARRIOR REPRESENTATION.
all kind of Gender Organs everywhere .. which would fit wildly into the beautiful but gross column. Also different kind of extremities in different sizes to make them more uncanny.
You want to buy some Demonettes ? .. yeah sorry I need to see some ID first.
I actually really like the seekers as well. I don’t know what went wrong with the standard daemonettes. Even with the design aside, I don’t get the poses they were going for at all.
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I didn’t know the splitting horror models existed. I’m going to have to do some eBay hunting in the near future
Ya once I saw them I was in awe. Honestly some of the coolest models I’ve seen, it’s a bit of a shame they went for a different art direction for the update.
It’s also really hard to find the ones who are actually splitting which is a big shame as well.
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Seems like GW is moving away from the British/Russian Army aesthetic for the Cadians and moving more towards US Army, which I find to be a weird choice. The new cadians have the little helmet brim like on the M1 helmet, and the new lasguns straight up look like M1 Garands. I'm quite a fan of the Rogal Dorn tank, but it is clearly more US inspired than the Leman Russ which was more like a British WW1 & Russian WW2 tank hybrid. Look up the M6 heavy tank - seems to be quite a big inspiration for the Rogal Dorn. They even have the heavy stubber (aka M2 browning) mounted on the turret rear manned by a dude standing on the engine deck like was done with M4 Shermans.
I have 120 old guards and I refuse to change. They just look better than the new one
@@Imashork Same here, I fucking love the catachan sculpts especially the metal ones.
My heart will always be with the firstborn. Primaris is bland salad.
Uhhh, I absolutely agree with every you said about Chaos models here except the thing about slightly-mutated Chaos Marines... is that we already have the Chosen as half-possessed models. Sure though, I agree they could be even slightly more mutated, and the possessed should have more than just mutated flesh and extra spikes.
Tbh I don’t really feel like the chosen look mutated enough. Maybe it’s just because I haven’t built that kit myself, but they kinda just look like normal legionaries with extra bling.
But I see your point, of them already being an in between.
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GW of late seems to be doing a lot of this smoothing out of stuff that has changed the aesthetics for a lot of factions. The latest ork vehicles are quite bad in this regard, the new cars and stuff don't look like stuff made of scrap, they have smooth bodies and identical, clean wheels. The old Trukk is like the perfect example of how they should look, but this isn't captured in the new stuff.
Ya I totally agree. It’s a dissapointing trend to me, I prefer a more hobbled together look in general for the setting (other than eldar and tau). ESPECIALLY for orks, some of their newer vehicles look factory made rather than some crap a Mek put together.
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In my opinion the new Daemonet models are not that bad, but could be improved by having the poses and cloth coverings of the old models.
I think good poses would go along way for them. The design looks fine in other kits like the seekers. I just don’t get what they were going for with the poses. Thanks for watching!
Poses go a long way in terms of a models look. Always nice to see another 40k fans opinions of models, have a good day!
I like how the Tau lore still says that elite veterans still prefer the old XV15 suite because of the better stealth performance (while the new one has a better energy core). This is how you handle a controverse "update".
Oh that’s actually cool, I didn’t realize that was explained in lore. I like that idea, I also feel it kinda mirrors real life. Some people will always prefer older equipment they’re comfortable with.
Now they just need to give us models again😭
@@KrakDuk Yeah, in the Exodite animation you can even see XV15 alongside XV25 in the same unit. Maybe GW will bring them back one day.
State Troops before they switched to pyjamas... and then disappeared entirely.
I’m not super familiar with fantasy, but I looked it up and ya I prefer the old ones. The new ones look weird, I don’t like the tights and barefootedness of some of them.
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For me it's the posing.
Modern marines are posed like CoD coverart.
Oldschool marines are posed like Doom's cover art. 'nuff said.
Heroic pose vs combat pose. A lot of old guys feel like they are mid battle, new guys feel like they are actually posing. I personally prefer many of the newer ones, but I absolutely understand why people like the older ones.
@@TheLordofMetroids something else that gets me is how the marines were made into specialist squads.
I don’t mind specialists at all given how most of the time I’ll kit a whole squad with the same gear anyway, but there’s a whole world of tactical flexibility you lose out on.
Like for example: an Intercessor squad with a desolator attached for some slight AV annoyance from an otherwise expendable squad.
How they turned 1 box (devastators) into 5 different ones. (I can’t even name them all)
Less for specialism, more for “you gotta buy more if you wanna be more flexible.” It was a bad change.
@@lonecolamarine that I 100% agree with. More options in a box is always nice, and it's not like I'd you want oh say 20 flamer Marines, but 10 bolter marines for some occasions, the vast majority of people aren't going to buy 30 Marines anyways.
And of course having more stuff in boxes to make more elaborate kit bashes and really make your captains or lords or whatever yours can only help the hobby.
@@TheLordofMetroids well I mean another thing is… Infernus marines.
Salamanders are probably very happy, but I can’t think of many times I went “golly-gee, I wish I had 5 flamers in a squad.”
Deamonette Feet Supremacy.
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@@KrakDuk if anything, i'd bow to Slaanesh.
To weak to be accepted by Khorne.
To scared of change for Tzeentch.
A little to clean for Nurgle.
But Goth Deamon "Girls", yeah why not.
Id gonna be going with undivided chaos without khorne. I don't like choleric people
@@dracometeors3010 Nah dude, becoming a horrific eldritch horror is like my dream. Id go Tzeentch all the way.
Firstborn art direction is just better as a whole.
I'll have to disagree with the tau xv2s stealth suits. You are right that they do 'stealthy elite troops" worse than the old tau stealth suits, but these look like a lighter, more mobile hardsuit/mech suit with out losing out too much on fire power. They look to me like a really fun "stealth mech" meant to work with infantry and among infantry rather than what most mechs do. The egg shape is silly but that adds to the fun of it to me.
A bit of a niche thing, but I personally really preferred the older Canoptek Scarabs compared to the new ones. The new kit is fine and conveys the swarm idea better, but IMHO the previous iteration felt more mystical and ancient, more alien. The new ones are 100% scarab swarms, with the necron stuff added on. The old ones are weird, eldritch totem-construct-artifact-things that people called 'scarabs' because that was the closest analogy they could think of...
Oh yeah, the blocky ones? I like those, they definitely do look more alien. The new ones totally just look like regular robot bugs haha.
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100% agree
Surprised you didn’t mention Box Dreads. They convay the “take what’s left of you, shove it into a baby coffin and plug it into a metal gun arms and legs” way better
I was surprised there were no Eldar aspect warriors in this vid. Then I thought about it and realised that it's moot because the warp spiders never got an updated sculpt
On the subject of Chaos Marines, I want the old raptors back, they had this corrupted, feral, predatory look. The new ones are just spikey dudes with jump packs.
The old Plague Marines and it's not even close. The new ones feel less like "rotten/decaying zombie Space Marines", and more like "Disgustingly mutated Space Marines"
I'm with you 100%. I really hate the new Death Guard range.
@@theredcomet5670 That designer who did the new DG was very into the job. He basicly blackmailed GW to give them to him. Well, he had fun, but I also think it's a bit too much... almost borderline cartoonish... Also I will never accept DG having 2 unique terminator units while World Eaters still got no Red Butchers...
And among the death guard range, the dumbest opiton is the cartoonish poxwalkers, which also happen to be monopose. There's some sensible ones in the sprue, but some are just so bad, especially in multiples.
I think it would be a good idea if the x-25s were the head of a squad of x-15s
Desolation Marines: or why adding copious amounts of more dakka is a thing best left for the orks to do.
Ya, the desolation marine’s guns look both scrapped together and too generically “tactical gun” looking for me. I think the idea could have almost worked with a few alterations and imperial decorations.
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@@KrakDuk yeah it's just the mixture of a comical amount of barrels and the fact that it looks so out of place in the usual imperial armory that makes it appear just plain ugly. Not to mention, as you already said in your video, these giant guns don't seem to have any weight to them, only adding to the toy gun look they get by that.
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@@KrakDuk I personally liked how a guy kitbashed the big missiles on the shoulder of them. Makes em look better.
my favorite part is buying the models... then building them... then never painting them... then buying more guys that im pretty sure i need for my army... then building them... then never painting them... and repeat.
One old miniature I preffer is the necron monolith, I know it looks very bland and doesnt have much details compared to the new one but thats why I like it. It gives a feeling of it having been built for a purpose and thats it, not to look good or appealing, which is how I imagine a species of souless robots would build stuff.
I genuinely miss the green Lego lightsaber rod Necron guns. I know why they stopped it, but I think it was cool.
I don't think that really meshes with the rest of the Necron aesthetic though. If these guys weren't interested in making things look good, why would they have designed themselves to look like badass robot skeleton egyptians?
I agree with most of your ideas in this. Especially the Space Marines, I haven't really looked at their models that much but when you put the Intersessors next to the Desolators you can see they literally just adjusted the 3d model to put a bigger weapon in their hands rather than create new sculpts for the heavier weapons.
I also much prefer the old Dreadnought too. They're a bit small for Primaris, yes, but they are only to hold the most bare remains of a space marine that wouldn't otherwise survive in ordinary power armour. They don't need to have a lot of space for a body because there _isn't much body left._ Plus that boxy nature, though occasionally mocked, actually gives them a distinct silhouette! You can spot them as a GW/40K mech from several kilometers away! But Redemptors? They're just a blob on legs. Too round and indistinct. The old design was just that much stronger and is why its endured for so long.
In fact, the only way to have ever improved the box-naught was to give a mini Chaos makeover for the _Chaos Dreadnought._ That Hellbrute looks older than the thing it replaced!
I never thought of the old tau stealth suits being a kill team or just stealth suits in a kill team in general. My good sir you have opened my eyes
I liked the Dawn of War Dark Crusade approach to the Tau stealth suits, where the older, sleeker design are the "footsoldiers" of stealth teams, led by a sergeant using the newer, bulkier suit. Imagine being attacked by the smaller ones and then suddenly the larger one pops out of nowhere and uses his fusion gun to delete your tank, and they all just slink back into darkness, pretty cool.
Duk forgot to censor a few Deamonetts
Lol oops, idk what happened there. It’s probably fine tho knock on wood
I agree 100% on the heroic scale Guard, it helped convey the aspect of how they fought their battles. The average soldier wasn't some cadian commando decked out in tactical gear and equipment, you were fodder in uniform with a rifle and maybe a grenade. You could field waves of literal conscripts in the army.
I love the egg suits, but I'd be lying if I didn't say I also love the XV15 suits as well. I hope they will use the XV15 sculpt for new units in the future, like super breachers. Loading those models up with a double barrel pulse blaster would be sweet.
I love the X-15. I went out of my way to get some of them when I was still building things. Just the aesthetic of a bulked-up Fire Warrior with a massive minigun strapped to their arm is perfection.
The especially weird thing about the XV-25 is that it was meant to be a stopgap. An XV-15 helmet was captured by Imperium forces and the suit's intended successor, the XV-22, wasn't ready yet, so the Tau rushed a replacement into production to tide them over until the 22 was ready. And then that just... didn't happen. We got Commanders wearing XV-22 prototypes (Most notably Shadowsun, but Kais and Ores'ka from the DoW games also used XV-22s), and then nothing else. Now Shadowsun's one looks completely different and has extra arms, and the XV-25 is pushing twenty years old, while the DoW commanders are MIA.
I'd agree with all of these apart from the guard one, I kinda like how the Cadians remind me more of their metal versions than the original plastic kit. When the original plastic kit came out it was ridiculed for the dorky, oversized helmets and people gradually got used to them over time. I will add that I preferred the previous incarnation of the Space Marine Centurion. Now, someone is going to correct me and say that they didn't have a previous model. This is where I say "Exactly". :p I can't get my head around how much more personality the old horrors had. I remember the Daemonettes being better, but I'd forgotten how much more characterful the old horrors looked.
Possibly hottest take: Obliterators.
People complained about the 3.5 edition ones, but I think they nailed the "Marine daemonically fused with his armour" look. They really just needed a proportion adjustment (pin heads). The new ones look like giant cyborg Ogryns wearing (not melded with - very important IMO!) some kind of armour that's a vague halfway point between a Dreadnought/Helbrute and Centurion armour (not something I've seen elsewhere in the CSM range, unlike the last generation of Obliterators). They look more like deliberately made Dark Mechanicum constructs than what the lore describes them as.
The very first Obliterators from the 3.0 codex are still bad though. Someone once described those to me as "like someone covered a random metal human model in glue and rolled it around in their bits box", which is not wrong, ha.
I love those obliterators. I almost picked up one of the chonky metal ones at LVO. I agree with you they do the merged with more look pretty well. The fleshy machine look is both off putting and awesome.
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Oh man, those old demons of Tzeentch look so dope. Holy moly, it's like they came out of a H.P Lovecraft book😲
I really like how the stealth suits worked in Dawn of War with the XV15s being the troops and the XV25 as the squad leader
2:14 I don’t even play 40k but I have that exact set of marines. Plus the sarge being short is accurate.
Old Archaon the Everchosen (with the horse) is literally my favorite miniature ever
Horse Dorghar is best Dorghar. God I hate the derpy, three headed travesty of a monster he's become.
@@Swooper86 it just looks silly. If it had like, a dragon head or a daemon head it would be rad, because admittedly, the archaon himself is quite good looking.
But im sorry, the old model has such a fucking presence. Dorghar's face and detail is SOOOOO well made and the pose is so, so goddamn dynamic and foreboding. A sign of Chaos' strength. A vision of death.
I admit im not much of a Old World/Sigmar girl, ive mostly dabbled in 40k, but fuck, that model nearly dragged me into it just for how sheerly awesome it was.
I also have the old weird metal archaon. Dumpy ass, love him.
Edit: Props to the normal Archaon (On foot) too. He also looks rad. But what is a warrior without his steed?
@@sophieprime4669 Even with a single dragon/daemon head, Dorghar would still look bad. His pose is so awkward, and I really don't like the wings.
I have around 8000p of Slaves to Darkness myself, and no plans to ever buy the new Archaon. I have the old one and the on foot one though!
@@Swooper86 yeah, on a second look, Nu-Dorghar doesnt look that good at all. What an awkward mini.
Juan Diaz deamonettes better be on this list XD
They are! Them and the horrors were the main inspirations of this list. I’ve always loved those models and lamented missing out on them being in stores. Hope you like the video!
This is a fantastic video, I was able to watch this with my friends and discuss what we thought about the models. They aren't even into Warhammer. These opinion videos allow me to talk about warhammer to my friends while learning more about the history and design of old warhammer. I hope to see more in the future!
Units like Desolation Squad, were only to get around the rule: "Weapon Options, is what comes in the box." It's why Smurfs have a bunch of standalone Primaris units.
They really should have just used the Juan Diaz Daemonettes as the base design when updating them with maybe some tassels or strategically placed shells if they wanted to be more PG. And while I'm not the biggest fans of the Rogue Trader Chaos Marines (outside of Bloodletter Marine and Bugman Marine), the CSM shouldn't really look like the majority of their actual Marines just retreated from Terra. I would like the walking eggs better if instead of a Stealthsuit update they were either a Breacher upgrade or were lie, half-way point between Breachers and Crisis Suits. Because to me, the eggs at first glance scream "Assault Shocktroopers" or "Grenadiers" or hell, even "Anti-tank Sappers". Stealth is not one of the things I think of when I see the walking eggs.
The daemonette drawings are adorable
Be wary, that’s just a trick to lure you to chaos!
But thank you! I’m glad you like them haha
Still have my Diaz Deamonettes. Love em. Also, the Chaos Havoc Heavy Bolter from back in the day is IMO the coolest Astartes to ever carry a heavy weapon. Cause at the time, the heavy weapons of the Loyalist Marines were all shoulder mounted. And this dude comes out The Warp with a Heavy Bolter held low with an armbrace and a chain. And with a bit of effort you can make it look like he's using it one handed, and it still looked like a heavy weapon he was just that badass.
Ah I’m jealous, those are some great sculpts!
I feel you on the sentinel but in an even more nitpicky way - I hate that the current Broadside is still an XV88 despite being large enough it should be in a new size class. The first number in T'au designations are the size class of the platform (the second is a Variant/Role designation); Hazard Suits, something much smaller than the newer Broadside, are XV9s, - the Broadside is in a *smaller size class* despite the extra bulk, only because the old Broadside was a modified XV8 Crisis Suit, so it was Size Class 8, Variant 8. And while cute, the old XV88 is a baby by comparison.
Really it just stems from the naming entire system not making much sense in the first place. In terms of existing models/lore it scales from Class 2, of the XV25, straight to XV8, something not all that much larger, with nothing in between except one dubious-canon suit in one of the RPGs (the XV46 Vanguard) and then XV10s (i.e. of the XV104 Riptide) being only marginally larger than the XV95 (Ghostkeel, 5 designates a stealth role)alsoionlythinkitslargeridontownaghostkeelbecauseidontlikeiiiiittheymightactuallybethesamesize. The name readability also immediately breaks once you to and past class 10 (104? sure, 10-4? well, a 128 is like.. Size 1 - Variant 2 (designation for Experimental, i.e. XV22, Shadowsun's suit) - Subvariant ???, oh you mean thats a Class 12 actually? I just headcanon that its something idiotic the humans did when translating captured intelligence because all intel officers are eternally drooling morons and that it makes perfect sense when not written in Gothic
Nahhhh just throw the whole pot out and start over with a stat crunch. Shove Crisis Suits to be XV3/XV4s so broadsides can be XV4/5s and crunch the rest down too. ~~Also maybe without Phil Kelly~~
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Oh wait I didn’t realize there was supposed to be a reason behind the battlesuits numbers. That’s really interesting and actually pretty dumb how the broadside is classified lol.
They should have renamed it and called it a newer in universe model of the broadside when they updated the mini. It’s clearly much different than the original that was basically just a crisis suit with a big gun.
I understand your frustration lol. It’s kinda like how the eldar wraith knight is the bigger version of the Wraith lord, even tho I feel Lord should be higher than knight. Kinda just a product of the model releases I suppose
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I think the other thing they could do to help things our is just adding a dash, so the if you get to a size 1 suit to the 11 variant it's not xv111, it's xv 1-11, it's a lot easier to read and tells you that the numbers mean something
I was really happy with the updated Guard sprue they did a year or so before introducing the whole new line. It was just the normal guard sprue with some extra bits for more customisation in, like an in-built upgrade sprue. I wish they'd keep making those.
I just got into the Imperial Guard and I love the look of the leman Russ. Big chunk blocky forms. That type of more apocalyptic rugged Sci-fi is the one I prefer. It just feels more powerful.
Me too! I love the classic Leman Russ it’s such an iconic design. I see a lot of people saying they should shrink the gun, but that would kinda kill the design for me. The silhouette of the classic battle tank would be alot less iconic.
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i agree with you on everything except the new Cadian shock troops. I LOVE the shock troops because they look so much more human, and I don't mean in proportions. The kit is absolutely filled with humanizing details; rolled sleeves, mess kits, mismatched gear, helmet covers, that sort of the thing. The plasma gunner has an oven mitt! These details, to me, match the Guard fantasy far better than the completely uniform ranks of square, armoured soldiers, or at least what the Guard fantasy is to me; that regular, scared, normal people are taking up laser guns and bayonets and charging into battle against all these insane sci-fi threats, and through the power of friendship and artillery they just might win the day.
I am very much in agreement, with additional notes for the Imperial entries.
The aesthetic was more distinctive a decade ago, and the ranges for space marines and guard were just so much more cross-compatible; nowadays so many models are released to be built one way only (often completely monopose) and Primaris' only avenue for kitbashing is via expensive upgrade frames.
I'm very much into 3D printing nowadays, with a lot of my prints harking back to those design and build philosophies from before 8th edition.
I'd watch an hour long rant about new guard kits from a guard fan
Maybe if I start streaming🤣
About Stealth Suits - I always liked idea of XV15 are more common, and XV25 are for leaders.
heroic scale plastic kit for mid 2000s got me into the hobby. Cadian kit was such a classic, really easy to build and to paint to test colour schemes. As much I love some of the new kits, building and painting got more difficult and less fun. I bought some of the boxy dreadnoughts cause I they look iconic.
Personally I absolutely love the old Boss Snikrot and his pose. His little 'Shhh' pose was just brilliant and I'm gutted they changed it.
- completely baffled that you didn't mention necrons, as they moved from living metal to rusting old robots with pieces of legs and arms falling off
- as a tau fan for life I completely agree on xv15 + xv25 to coexist, they HAVE to, they are too different in models to be just the same unit from the game perspective actually.
- same goes for sentinels, I actually like them but agree they are too sleek and better to be like heavier variant because why tf not
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Ya I didn’t mention the old necrons because tbh im just not the most invested in that faction so I don’t really have strong opinions about them usually. They’re cool, just not one of my top 5s.
Ya agreed. I’d absolutely love if they got an upadate, or more unrealistically just brought back the metal models
Again totally agree. The new sentinel aestheitc just doesn’t really vibe with me. I’d like if it was kinda treated like the dorn and russ, slightly beefier alternative. the size and aesthetic differences match up too well
For me it was the Space Marine scout squad. The metal version was the coolest range from all the space marine line. Then the plastic version came out looking so dirppy. Apparently they were one of the first plastic kits made with 3D sculpting software.
New Snikrot is so close to being amazing, but the old "Shhhh!" pose had so much personality that you can't help but feel its absence
Couldn't agree more about the Guard - I would raise a paint too, often now they aren't even painted the same. The old Guard models had the khaki fatigues with the distinct green for the armor for the "default/Cadian" guardsmen look.
Now I tend to see them mostly just painted using contrast paints, and a much lighter shade of green and a darker shade of brown is used instead of khaki color - this bothers me.
When I started the Guard, Cadia Stands box set was released and I had so little fun assembling and painting those ultradetailed models I ended up trading it all up for the older sculpts. I just love how iconic and how much more fun to paint (at least subjectivelly) they are.
Surprised by how much I agree with these takes (I’m pretty cool with new chaos marines though). For my personal take though: I know I’m biased because of nostalgia, but as a nids player I prefer the look of the old termagaunts. The new ones, though VASTLY superior sculpt in terms of detail, have more defined musculature that make them look less bug like imo.
I’ve got 5 of the old metal horrors with a few splitting guys. They were very pricy second hand on eBay but not too much worse than modern gw plastic.
The sculpts are so dynamic and so well encapsulate the ever-changing nature of tzeentch. They were also an absolute joy to paint.
I’m using two of them as possessed in my tzeentch-themed Cult of the Possessed warband for Mordheim.
Oh boy do you need to see the old imperial guard shock troops
For WHFB, I love the old, 6th edition Chaos Warriors. They had non-uniform armour (and a mutations sprue, to boot!). They'd easily fit on a 30mm square base and finally rank up (they didn't rank up well on 25mm's at all). They're still armoured head-to-toe, but they convey the chaotic side of chaos instead of the modern 'Armoured Guy with Cape #2501'
Can we get a video on which new models you think were really an improvement over older models? My big ones are the new Khorne Berzerkers and the new Flayed Ones.
The Berzerkers needed an upgrade so badly and the new ones are beautiful. And the Flayed Ones actually had even better models in the past that were replaced by some of the laziest sculpts I have ever seen from GW - so the newest ones were very welcome.
I prefer the old Kantrael Lasguns over the new Kantrael Lasguns.
The old Lasgun looked more blocky and blunt. It did fit the design and style of the Empire so well.
Serviceable, cheap and yet effective and in its own way elegant.
Another benefit of the Devastators over the Desolators: the Devastators are nearly 3 boxes for the price of one. You get enough guns and backpacks and heads that if you can scrounge up some spare legs (or print some), you can use basically every piece in the box to build a model. It just feels way more pro-consumer in contrast to a lot of newer kits that somehow have the worst of both worlds: selling you extra plastic, but not enough for you to do anything with it, just burning money.
So agree with you on the Tau.
Watching them go 'bigger is better' has saddened me.
Sleek combat suit and high-tech personal weapons is what I signed up for originally.
Now it is all about the monstrous missile pods and cannons, just with legs!
you can quite easily convert the basic chaos marines into more daemonic looking ones
I've always felt that arm baldes made of bone would work better for the Daemonets of Slanesh, instead of the weird crab claws. Like keep the dark color but really lean into them looking like bones. It would make sense from a lore perspective given how the Daemonets can change their form.
For me it's CSM Oblits, the new ones look like guys cosplaying as helbrutes (who also look kinda bad)
I think the previous ones look like they are cosplaying terminators. The OG ones are the best conceptionally.
Not sure if it's been mentioned... But Old Repentia. "Ehh you're just a coomer" Shut up. I know they're hot and all that, and that can be a selling point. But the NEW repentia don't scream fanatical warrior seeking redemption in battle. They scream basketball players with giant swords. There's no body horror besides tiny ass spikes, there's no flowing length of holy scripture, and somehow the swords have gotten SMALLER. The only thing they have going for them is the ports for the power armor.
TRUE, I love the metal Repentia. I almost included them but with the daemonettes I might have looked like a coomer🤣. But I totally agree, the old ones fit the theme a lot better than the biker shorts ones.
The old ones really look like cultists who are screaming religious rhetoric and cutting folk up. The new ones are honestly super boring imo, I liked the flowing cloth and hoods of old.
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Pink horrors were my favorite models in the entire range and the moment I saw the plastic ones I made it my mission to get every last metal horror I could find
I think what makes Juan Diaz's sculpts so good is how they were so different to the designs before and after, his bloodletters abd plaguebearers especially. I LOVE the on.e that has huge maggots for eyes bursting upwards.
as a fan of the Cadian and Daemonhunter stuff from 3rd edition I really like the old Kasrkin models, something about how bulky their armor was made em look like more elite guardsmen. The new ones look good but they don't have that chunk
I totally agree. While I generally like the new kasrkin, I think the old kasrkin are better. I really love the big blocky armor, my main gripe with the new ones is that the armor is too form fitting. The old ones looked like they had standard flak and then extra carapace armor added on which fit super well.
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I love the old apostle. Iron halo, amazing eight pointed cozius. Prayer scrolls. He had everything. The new one has a blind skull for a mace and is standing on a rock instead of some books (which would fit way better) plus his backpack and the sheer amount of cloth make him look unintimidating. The old one had amazing armor.
I prefer the old mark 3 armor more than the new design I don’t dislike the new design I just think the old design felt more intimidating and industrial. Also I prefer the old space marine vehicles over then new ones hover tanks just don’t fit the space marine aesthetic in my opinion. Great video
The mk 3 is pretty cool, I like the knight aesthetic of it. Mk 7 will probably always be my favorite but the 3 is still up there.
I totally agree on the vehicles, the treaded tanks felt more brutalist and rugged. Which really fits the imperium.
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6:25 it is downright criminal the metal horrors with their pulling themselves out of each others mouths looks were scrapped.
As a Tau player, sometimes I field 2x XV15s and a fusion armed XV25 in a squad. It gives my opponent a really clear indicator which one has the fusion gun, and also has that "commander gets the newer gear" trope going. As for guard, While I like the Dorn as a tank, to me the new Cadians look like they're wearing helmets ready for a nice day pony riding, not for battle. Much prefer the old sculpt. The old sculpt also made swapping parts around SO much easier.
The older metal Catachans just hit different and look better than than the plastic
For real. The old catachan went so hard. I have 3 gunners, but wish I had more of the standard infantrymen
In regards to the Stealth Suits, I'm fully with you there, which is why if I ever do model a T'au Force, I'm pulling a Dawn of War: Dark Crusade/The Exodite with my Stealth Suits, the Shas'vre leading the squad will get the singular XV25, while the Shas'ui subordinates will be using XV15s