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- Going over some misconception that just PEEV me ARUGH. Then I make my own.
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It has come to my attention I accidentally drew the USA as a continent, how CRINGE. This is why sleep is important
To be fair, for a landmass to be considered a continent, it is required to have a size bigger than the Greenland, so a Craftworld would, at a minimum, be slightly bigger than Greenland.
your telling me it isnt? who do we need to invade to make it one
We don’t expect more from you, ez
well that ork ima tank incident is theoreticaly possible if you have seven orks that build a realy shoddy mock tank and a bunch of orks that are realy stupid and get fooled by it from afar. in that case you have seven orks wondering why their tin can is so robust but not a single ork that is aware why it happens.
If you are American, everything is forgiven. There's no other country other than America (the country and the continent!).
"Going to replace your old misconceptions with new, more fun misconceptions"
Absolute Alpha Legion behavior
Well I am alpharius after all
@@KrakDuk NO, I AM ALPHARIUS. YOU ARE OMEGON IMPOSTOR
@@MakivPoli5592 HA YOU FOOL WE ARE ALL ALPHARIUS
I'm Alpahrius, and so is my wife.
@@matusfekete6503 you mean my wife ?
The ork psychic gestalt does smooth over some janky mechanical designs that should probably malfunction without it, from what I understand. An ork shoota is a functioning gun, but it shouldn’t be able to fire 100 rounds without exploding.
Ya I heard someone compare it to a “reality lube” and I think that explanation makes the most sense
Thanks for watching!
Yeah, the Waaagh! Field makes it easier for the Orks to do stuff that would otherwise be super-unlikely, but it can’t change reality entirely. Or, for instance, it can make it so Ork Gargants barely function as well as they can, but it can’t make the Gargant work w/o any ammo.
So it’s more like the ork psychic field gives them all 10 in luck.
Shroedinger would have a field day with them, everytime something is in a superposition, it will come out in the orks favour
We have to remember that the Ork 'psychic field fixes everything' idea came from an Ad Mech report about the only species in the galaxy that regularly uses Imperial technology. He's the guy that needed something to explain away why the Machine Spirit somehow works for the Orks. The existence of an Ork psychic field was latched onto, even though the word-of-god style background always presented it as generally a beacon that draws Orks together and makes them more active, or if Weirdboyz happen to be about, ends up discharging as power-vomit or a particularly aggressive forcefield
The Baneblade being a scout tank works if there is no one left alive to report your position. It's the Steiner Scout Lance of 40k.
Plot twist: the Steiners WERE the ones using the baneblade as a scout, and Battletech is in the 40k universe (just trust me bro)
Good luck trying to kill everyone before they can report your position while being a building sized tank moving at 10 m/h
@@XD-sc4ix And prize for missing the joke goes to....
@@oldeskul the joke is overused and was never funny to begin with anyway
@@XD-sc4ix That sounds like a you problem.
A misconception I hate is "the necrons are the good guys" The closest they get to being good is Trayzin, who is at best neutral
Yeah that’s a bit wierd. I haven’t heard it that much other than Trazyn, might just be theyre good relative to things like the dark eldar. Which isn’t saying much lol
They're good guys in the sense that unless you face a flayed one or szeras gets a interest in you you just die quickly and painlessly since 9/10 of their weapons are different shades of disintegrators
Are there ANY good guys left in the distant 41st millenium?
... Tau, maybe?
@@matusfekete6503They're all racists.
@@matusfekete6503Debatable
Long time Krieg rieg fan here, Krieg is mentioned to have gotten specialized shovels with sharpened blades meant to be readily usable in trench melee, but a korpsman actually using one hasn't appeared and is just assumed.
Yeah to my understanding they use shovels as improvised weapons roughly the same amount as other guardsmen. I may be mistaken though, I haven’t read all of Kreig media.
I think using improvised weapons like shovels is cool; however, I’ve always found the idea of them preferring shovels over other weapons a bit silly. But it’s all memes and in good fun.
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@@KrakDuk Given how Krieg's specialty is trench warfare, they are far more likely to end up in a surprise melee with shovel in hand due to the nature said specialty. It would therefore make sense for the use of entrenching tools as improvised melee weapons to be included in standardized training, especially for their rather robust engineer corps.
On the other hand, the whole shovel thing _has_ been flanderized to hell and back
Krieg is well known for its extensive bayonet drills and practice, given the choice they'll use the bayonet every time, of course not every time is a bayonet available, and if the enemy attacks in the middle of digging a trench there's no reason not to use the tool that's already in your hands as a bludgeon if there isn't any alternative.
@@tau-5794 This, and the fact that Kriegsmen spend a whole lot more time engaged in trenchwork than any other Guard sub-faction makes such an event more than likely, especially when tunneling near enemy lines, such as when digging offensive trenches and counter-trenching
@@KrakDukThere was no hard rule for what a "hand weapon" was in 3rd ed. So a hand weapon could be a long dagger, a dress sword, a truncheon, anything you hold in one hand. A hand weapon and pistol now meant an extra attack.
The Krieger myth is indeed extremely pervasive. I had to watch Janovich's analysis of Vraks to realize how effective and tactically competent the Kriegers are. They went from being a "hammy attempt at Grimdark WWI" to one of my genuinely favourite regiments.
Ya I find them much more interesting when they aren’t idiots. I think it’s more grim and cool that they suffer high casualties due to their commanders knowing they can use the Krieg fanstism and are willing to suffer heavy losses to win at any cost.
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@@KrakDukI think the myth about them using shovels for everything also comes from the Siege of Vraks series.
After all it was the Munitorum's wise decision to _not_ give the *Siege Army* any Engineer formations (at first).
So while all the backline infrastructure was built up by the imported labour corps, the trenches, field fortifications, firing positions and sapper lines had to be dug and build by the Krieger footsoldiers.
So they would have had more than enough entrenching tools / shovels around and likely would have used them during raids in case they had to grab something quickly to defend themselves.
Also once the citadel was finally being besieged and the munitorum did finally send Death Corps Engineers to the Siege Army as reinforcements they likely would have made use of shovels in the underground skirmishes, simply because they already had them in hand whenever they made contact with enemy tunnels.
People likely just forgot that there was context as to why the Kriegers used shovels in those scenarios.
like for real Janovich has shown how tactical Kriegers are even if prefered pronoun of averege Kriegmen is cannon fodder/expendable
In fact, all guard regiments work with extremely good tactics and strategies. The leading units make so goddamn good usage of the troops and the gear and they have to. Without all of those, all the regiments would be just instantly wiped away instead of millions and millions casualties happening.
The fact that "WALL OF GUN" is part of their stratagem also speaks the sheer rate IG can muster nuumbers too. But yeah, it's not like IG just tosses bodies at problem 'till it's gone, it just happens to be most optimal outcome of most big fights.
As he stated in the video, they are somewhat suicidal, but they'll do it in a tactically advantageous way, they are completely willing to die, but aren't just gonna charge at a machine gun nest if doing so doesn't get the job done in an effective manner.
I can’t believe it only took 20s for me to see a shovel
It’s literally the first thing I thought of when I saw the title
Should have been in the thumbnail.
Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed the video!
How a person really described Slanmesh is not just the god of sex is that Slannesh is just as please as you enjoying a jungle burger and simply relaxing ad much as having a wild party
Ya I think her being the god of excess is a lot more interesting than just sex. To me the chaos gods are meant to represent the innate flaws in humanity and the vices one might fall into. Obsession and addiction can absolutely consume a person and having a major chaos god representing that makes a ton of sense. Thanks for watching
I personally see it more as excess than pleasure, although it could be both as wanting more pleasure will simply lead to pleasure, but I prefer to see Slaanesh as doing as much of something as possible, regardless if it is reasonable or has consequences that affect others, alternatively, pushing something as hard as you can, regardless of, like I said, the consequences, such as making the PERFECT dish (just ignore the human flesh) or the hardest hitting cocaine.
Thing is, this can also just go back into pleasure, but I believe the chaos gods are supposed to represent the flaws of living beings taken to the hardest of extremes, anger, apathy, ambition and lust, things that aren't necessarily bad but are easily taken way too far...
I honestly forgot where I was going with this.
The best way I’ve heard to describe Slaanesh is that she’s the kind of person that when they want to stop & smell the roses, they instead steal someone’s oxygen tank, stuff half of it full of rose petals and then huff it as much as possible. Slaanesh isn’t sex, she’s excess and the desire for pleasure taken at the selfish expense of others.
Yes, Inquisitor, this Person here.
@@KrakDukI like the noise marines. Chaos blokes with the power of hair metal and weaponized boomboxes.
The kill team trailer back in 2021 has to be one of the best animated representation of the Death Korps
That trailer was so hype. To me it really embodied the guards feel as well, they all died but with purpose which is all the emperor could ask for.
The last part with the flaming Krieger hitting the detonator was just perfection🤌 first time I was ever super hyped to preorder a box set lol
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Excuse me! We warhammer players do sex and drugs more than any other fanbase out there. We are hopelessly addicted to plastic crack and Games Workshop keeps screwing us at every opportunity
Was for SURE expecting the "Vulcan and the Salamanders hate Eldar children." Meme in here.
Couldn't put that in because it's not a misconception, it's just true. Vulkan had to leave the imperium to go through the webway and melt ALL of the Eldar children.
Joking aside, in reality I think most people know that the Salamanders don't hate Eldar children (at least not any more than any other space marine does), but it's just an amusing juxtaposition that these are supposed to be the 'kind' space marines but there was *that one time when Vulkan did the thing*, hence the memes.
@@kyusyn2765 Salamanders still annihilate other Species, so only if you're not an alien/xeno.
Now you know how we feel when they say Stormtroopers can’t aim
Lmao fr. To be fair a lot of the shows and movies have been making storm troopers look more and more stupid though☠️ gotta watch andor sometime I heard they’re scary in that one.
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Eldar Aspect Warrior looks at Space Marine: "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power!"
I *think* the baneblade scout tank thing stems from the malcador tank being equipped with overdrive engines in Horus Heresy, which allows the thing to move like a fast tank like the Sicaran would, but I have no clue if that’s the origin of the misconception or not.
It comes from before the heresy was overexplained and just an era of myth. It's the idea of like "theres this ancient time of legend where humanity's power was so great, THIS thing was a scout tank!"
Makes sense until they explain every excruciating detail of the heresy so it's not mythical and fun anymore.
maybe the orginal baneblades were like those antartic exploration vehicles, and the 'exploration vehicle' got mistranslated into 'scout vehicle' by the imperium
I like that theory. The baneblade functioning as a mobile fortress works for it being an exploration vehicle. Thanks for watching
I genuinely can’t understand the Krieger one. Their entire deal is trench warfare, which is explicitly designed to stretch conflicts out. That’s about as far from suicidal as you can get. They’re not killing themselves for no reason, they’re making a 2-day battle into a 3-year siege and betting that they’ll outlast the enemy.
I like how the new Krieg misconception is basically just Ciaphas Cain syndrome
As for the Slaanesh misconception, Slaanesh *was* the god of Sex and Depravity on inception, however this has not been considered kosher or ‘socially acceptable in polite society’ (whatever that means) and the more generic, but annoyingly unspecific dominion of Excess was put in as a replacement… Which is frustrating because all chaos gods are fundamentally gods of excess.
I think Slaanesh could best be described as the god of gluttony, not of lust. The constant desire for self-gratification and indulgence, looking for new experiences and never being satisfied by the simple things of life. Followers of Slaanesh always want more; more exotic foods, more powerful drugs, ever-mutating fetishes, pleasure and pain to such extents that the senses start to become indistinguishable. If it was just sex or just unhealthy attractions, Slaanesh cults wouldn't go down such deep and depraved rabbit holes.
I personally think it is specific in a way, it is generally shown as excess pleasure (just that pleasure, as a word, has been twisted to mean sex instead of whatever makes you feel good)
Something makes you feel pleasure, so you do it, because of how much you like it, you start doing it more, and more, and more, you search for a stronger experience, it becomes a gateway into harder stuff, and whoops, you are worshipping Slaanesh.
It is SPECIFICALLY excess pleasure and LUST (the original meaning of the word, not the sexual connotation it has gotten over time), as all the chaos gods are excesses, in their own specific things, excess anger and damaging ways of releasing it, excess hopelessness and apathy, and excess ambition.
@@ShadesMF Citing 'Slaves to Darkness', which is the first instance of Slaanesh being referenced, you are right in that it is the god of pleasure, specifically "The pusuit of hedonistic pleasures and overthrow of all codes of decent behavior" per pg 16, but the section on worship on the same page references the primary form of worship as "...great orgies involving every vice and perversity..." So while yes, Slaanesh is not the literal god of sex, it's worship is specifically called out as being exercised through events of mass sexual depravity. This is coupled with Slaanesh being the only chaos god for which sex and sexual orientation is a recurring theme, and for which sexual content is directly referenced makes it hard to argue that sex isn't an integral part of Slaanesh, at least in it's origin material. That said, I still agree with the video in that Slaanesh is by no means the god of Sex or sexual depravity in the modem day, GW has even dropped reference to the second of the original two domains, 'the overthrow of all codes of decent behavior' and backpedaled on a lot of Slaanesh's traits because many could be taken as critical or hatful of specific modern day movements.
In the same way all gods are about change in a sense which is why I have no idea what Tzeentch is particularly about.
Khorne brings change by violence and murder.
Slaanesh brings change by the seeking of excesses and new heights.
Nurgle brings change by spreading plagues and life and death.
In their quest to do what they like to do all these Chaos factions bring change.
So what the hell makes Tzeentchs change different?
@@colonelthyran7755 "Change" is too broad of a definition to describe what Tzeentch does. Tzeentch is about ambition, plots and schemes, mutation, magic, and overthrowing power structures. Sure things change when the other gods do their thing but they don't enact change for the sake of it. Nurgle is the opposite of Tzeentch because while rot is change, it is also just stagnation of existing life, the slow march to entropy instead of forceful overthrow, revolution, and perfidy.
I hate it when people say "Guradsman only survive 1 hour in the guard" and "for every battle 1 bajillion guardsmen die" yeah nah this is straight up false and fake news.
My goodness! Even Fifteen Hours places Guard lifespan at, uh, fifteen hours.
@@stephenwood6663 So many people think 15 hours was the universal standard too and not part of a specific warzone. The statistics there were so messed up a section of the frontline suffered over 100% casualties and still held.
@@4thSurviver Exactly so! Even the eponymous fifteen hours at Broucheroc seems to be a median average - those who live past their first day seem to have a very good chance of surviving longer.
They need to keep dying and loosing so that the Space Marines can swoop in and rescue them and have a lone single Space Marine Captain liberate an entire planet from an Ork WAAAGH almost on his own, while also defeating a daemon prince with just his bare hands as an off-time side quest.
It really depends who the guard is fighting and where, armageddon was not fun, but many other fronts the guard have a better life expectancy, not a good one but much better than the heavy fronts.
Kriegsmen don't mindlessly charge into battle, but they'd be the first ones to jump onto a grenade that lands in the trench to protect the lives of their comrades.
I feel like the shovel makes some sense. I remember in Erich Maria Remarque's All quiet on the western front, and I mean the book (haven't finished it), there is a line about why use shovels over bayonets. Shovels have an edge and are heavier, they are basically multiuse axes and as such they would pass much more easily though stuff and get stuck less times, compared with the bayonet which can fail sometimes. Plus a shovel is multiuse so it is more efficient to only supply a shovel and not giving a bayonet. It may not be much for just one soldier but for an army it is something.
However that doesn't mean that the shovel is the number one weapon, it has it's place, mostly as a fall back weapon in CQB and as a tool to break enemy morale in charges.
Ya it makes sense for the kreigers to use shovels and tench clubs along with their bayonets if they did get caught up in close combat.
In the vid I meant more (to my knowledge) they aren’t really specifically the shovel faction in lore, contrary to the memes. I do find the idea of a shovel wielding guardsman to be cool.
Thanks for watching! I appreciate the thoughts
You don't need a shovel as a weapon when Munitorum tried to give every Krieg soldier a razor-sharp 45cm sword-bayonet.
actually for the orks, it is more of the middle ground : When studied by the ad mech, lot of ork techs actually should not work because, there is a piece supposed to link two mechanism that is missing or it should break after one shot, and other things like that. However the more ork you have, the more their intelligence raise, so the make better gear, and the more they can also "cheat" to make all the minute detail that should make the whole mecanism fail work anyway. So orks will never be able to think themselves in being tank, but they are able to make a tank works despite really dubious engineering
And humans can use some orkz gunz. They will simply be unreliable.
You’ve misremembered. The ad mech specifically state that ork tech does work and that there are many examples of other races using them, but that they should not work as well as they do. Ork vehicles still have fully functioning engine blocks but they’re so ramshackle they should break down way more often than they do in the hands of the orks.
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Where did my comment go?
@@user-ubludok no idea, I never saw it. Maybe it got shadowbanned and youtube doesn’t actually show it.
I am pretty sure the idea was that ENOUGH works hard to believe in the thing t the same time to make it happen. One ork may be completely delusional and think a stick is gun, but all the other orks around him just see him waving a stick around, so his single bit of power is countered by all of the other orks thinking he's an idiot. EVERY ork knows the red ones go fasta, so they do.
Big ones is one time the emperor himself went down to kill some orks and when he killed the warboss several fusion reactors around the planet went critical and blew up since the warboss wasn't keeping the field as united anymore and the ork belief in their ability to win was cracked, so all the reactors using WAAAAGH as duct tape to keep them from blowing up, finally did.
The alternate Baneblade misconception makes way more sense than the scout tank crap.
Also, I like this channel, subbed. nice.
Haha, can’t wait for Honda to sell me a super heavy battle tank.
Thank you very much! I’m glad you enjoyed my video!
Mb its misunderstand of "scout" and "light in manufacturing" tank. I know BB are hell of engeneering, but if you have acess to well established production line you can make a porsche tiger a reliable easy to produce tank
The image of a Baneblade being sold as a luxury vehicle is a very funny joke...
Until you see that a modern Cadillac Escalade is almost as long as some of the largest Sherman tanks used in WW2.
It's only a matter of time, fellas.
@@chazaqiel2319not to mention that jeeps literally started out as military vehicles
I never heard the Baneblade was a scout myth
I heard it as
“In the dark age of technology the baneblade was a MAIN battle tank”
Basically they were the equivalent of the M1 , powerful but extremely common
nah
they were the training tanks
@@Sr_Illuminati they were literally toys for children
Baneblades probably didn't exist in the Dark Age of technology. People really don't understand STC lore. 40k vehicles are the equivilant of Victorians drawing what they think Dinosaurs looked like.
Baneblade is probably based on an STC for a construction vehicle or the equivilant of a fork-lift for a flying saucer warehouse and the Admech just put guns on it.
The Rhino was the scout in the Age of Exploration and obsolete by the Dark Age of Technology by which time Iron Men did all the fighting.
@@AC-dk4fp well wait a minute…..
If it’s using a standard template construct, then they would always look the same. It wouldn’t matter what happened or anything because they would never be modified so depending on how old this standard template construct is then that form is what it was supposed to be anything else after construction , that can be construed as making it look different but the actual main skeleton of it would never change
@@northerntoe Forge Worlds don't use Standard Template Constructs they make degraded recreations of them. The only STC tech still in use are relics that can only be repaired not built.
Otherwise Imperium gear would all look like Van Saar or Leagues of Votan gear which is closer to what human tech is supposed to actually look like since those factions have access to actual STC data which the Admech does not.
It's stated in the lore that the big threat of an Eldar craftworld isn't so much their warriors, since they are indeed doomed to lose a battle of attrition against pretty much anyone else, but their fleet. In space combat, Craftworld Eldar's lack of manpower (elfpower, rather) isn't nearly as much of a limiting factor, especially since some of their vessels are "wraithships" controlled by spirit stones and a dozen or so warlocks. Not only that, but Eldar warship crews are, themselves, a type of aspect warriors.
*lose a battle of attrition against anyone other than Space Marines
I'd say it takes roughly the same amount of time for the Aeldari to take a newborn and turn it into a Dire Avenger as it takes the Marines to do the same but into a Tactical Marine, and much less material cost as they can just sing the wraithbone rather than spending decades making power armor like Marines. Plus even the smallest Craftworlds have significantly larger numbers than the largest Marine chapters.
average ultramarine enjoyer: " fiVe hUndRed sPais maRiNes iZ aLl iT WoULd TAkE 2 cOnKUr EARth"
I mean, they certainly could CONQUER earth, taking out key political figures around the world.
But keeping a planet under their control is nigh impossible, and was the reason 30k had the Imperial army
Baneblade's as luxury sedans is the natural evolutionary endpoint of soccer moms driving four ton pickup trucks.
I think misconceptions work in-universe, because of how fast rumours and second-hand anecdotal stories spread in the army
Ya, all of these would work as tall tale legends. Plus you can see how rumors and stories spread on a meta level considering a lot of people believe the misconceptions as lore facts.
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And the Slannesh misconception is probably propped up by the very type of people mentioned in the video.
"I don't like what I imagine you are doing, so I declare that you are cosmically evil."
@@kevingluys3063 Prety much *everything* in 40k is Evil, with few exceptions, ESPECIALLY the Chaos Gods.
Krieg: Your lives are the emperor's currency! Spend them wisely!
I think that hammer and bolter episode where the ultramarines destroy a craft world didn’t do that whole misconception any favors lol. Great vid
Just made by incompetent people then.
Once Sly Marbo destroyed a whole craft world on a tuesday.
I am Alpharius, this is a lie
Of the many, many 40k lore misconceptions that get repeated non-stop I believe that the silliest of them all must be that Tyberos uses a dreadnought or parts of a dreadnought for his armor. This comes from the fact that terminator armor is technically called tactical dreadnought armor.
It's specially silly because they will be like "and he's so big he wears motherfucking DREADNAUGHT ARMOR!!" while pointig at a picture where you can clearly see that he's wearing regular terminator armor.
Oh yeah I go crazy when I see people saying he uses dreadnought parts for his armor. Even the fanart that people refer to when talking about his large size is clearly nowhere near dreadnought size/bulk and is like you said regular terminator armor. Thanks for watching!
The baneblade is like the scout Atlas of House Steiner.
The enemy has no scouts to report if there's no enemy left to report 😂
"Orkz are boring and for so they don't bring things to reality"
Nah, M8. When your buddies put gretchin into big reality bending cannon to launch them ,they are everything but boring
That was a gag misconception to replace the unlimited imagination one lol. I actually love the orks as a faction, I find them really cool and fun. Thanks for watching!
@@KrakDuk They *do* have a gun that fires out Gretchins, though. Remember reading about it myself, unless I'm incorrectly recalling that.
@@Spino-hx2mr ya I know that. That’s one of my favorite ork models lol. My previous comment was saying that when I said orks were boring that was a gag misconception I made to “explain” the ork’s imagination ability
Slaanesh's domain is kind of the broadest one out of the chaos gods, to the point that there really isn't that much you can do to try and avoid them on a large scale.
For some good examples of this, we can look at what the elves in Age of Sigmar do to stave off Slaanesh. There, elves don't immediately go to Slaanesh when they die, but they did all get eaten by Slaanesh in the End Times so they're still pretty scared of them. The Idoneth Deepkin went to live in the deep sea to deprive themselves of their senses - except that it's pointed out that extreme sensory deprivation is also a type of excess that Slaanesh can feed off. The Lumineth Realmlords have stopped their extreme perfectionism that caused them to fall to Slaanesh in the past, and now seek balance and harmony with the elements - to an extreme and obsessive degree which also feeds Slaanesh. Fuck.
Honestly the Daughters of Khaine are propably the closest to getting it right. They don't even try to not be excessive, they just have a big enough blood fetish to get Khorne to be more interested in them
That’s one of the reasons I really like slanesh being God of Excess vs just sex god. It’s more interesting and threatening that way.
Also I’ve always seen the chaos gods as embodiments of mortal vices, so slaanesh being the newest one and god of excess is kinda interesting on a meta level as a modern day issue with first world countries is excess. Be it social media addiction, consumerism, attention span issues, etc.
Eventually a civilization grows past primitive wars, cures diseases, and understands more of the world. And at that point they begin to act in excess. Much like the eldar of 40K. I find that a very interesting story idea from Warhammer
@@Metal_Maoist ya I think pretty much every 40K faction fulfills the base criteria for the chaos gods just due to the nature of the setting. War is essentially the embodiment of chaos, there’s violence, tactical plotting, disease/decay, and excess. But the one they most embody is the one that becomes their patron.
That’s why say a thousand sons warlord is still a Tzeench patron, even if he partakes in a lot of warfare and combat.
I find the symbolism and narrative of the chaos gods to be a lot more fascinating than most people give credit.
One of the ones that annoys me is "The Tau can't melee"
Like they can, but why would they? they have some of the best guns in the setting and their training and doctrine is based around using them, plus if the enemy can get past their guns, their missiles, their power suits, and their drones, whats a sharp piece of metal really going to do at that point?
The two instances in lore I can recall of Tau using melee they were pretty good at it because they specialized in it, like Commander Farsight and Aon' Shi I think his name was, an eldar ethereal cast Tau who was able to slit up orks with ease in melee.
Another misconception is that the lasgun is a useless laser pointer that only annoys the enemy.
A lasgun has enough power to blow entire limbs off in a single shot. Its an incredibly useful weapon which is deadly when used in large numbers which is you know, the guards whole thing.
New misconception, it's a badass weapon that killed everything that it could kill and all thats left what the imperium are fighting.
IIRC Bricky did explicitly call out the I'm a Tank Incident as a "this is not how it works but I'm going to tell you anyway because it's funny" to be fair
Orks magical imagination magic only works for things believable to an ork, like you couldn't convince an ork he's a tank because clearly he's an ork, now if you bolted some sheets of metal onto him, placed a big gun on his head, and gave him tracks, then he'd believe he was a tank, and he'd probably be able to take part in a tank battle
An ork inventor is gonna make bank
@@batuarganda728 they don't invent anything, they're incapable of it, they're all genetically inclined to specific areas of knowledge, the more waaagh energy is in proximity the more they unlock in their brains.
That's why Ork vehicles operate in a similar fashion across the galaxy
The Ork one and the Baneblade one are ones I had to explain to most people by far xD
Ya I see those one getting thrown around a lot lol. Even my friend who doesn’t know anything about 40K knows Orks as “the green guys who can imagine anything” because of 40K shorts lol.
Thanks for watching!
Slaanesh: the 40K god of binging shows from before streaming
If they thought that the Bainblade was a light scout, then it must've been the Legio Titanicus' fault for calling the "light-armoured scout vehicles" because they were too used to comparing things with the Titans
the kreigsmen hit me deep, i remember a story where a squad of kreigers charge a necron and they were throwing meltaguns to each other while being shot at
I'll add from my own experience.
Orcs. All latent psykers. This gives a small buff to everything they create: guns don't jam, red ones drive faster, ships don't explode after 0.00001s, etc. But this does not allow them to shoot without ammo, and purple also does not give invisibility. Purple is all about a meme. Orc commandos use banal camouflage.
Krieg. Yes, they are extremely selfless, but they are still human. In the early stages of the Siege of Vraks, there is a description of a case where, in one of the senseless attacks, the first wave of Kriegs fled back to their positions, and the commissar was also killed.
But what I hate most is that they are considered clones. Or artificially grown people. Or grown in an artificial womb. This desire of the community to come up with specifics out of thin air is terrifying. There is no specific information in the sources about what exactly Vitae-Womb is and how it works. Only that some Biologis consider it disgusting. Not even all, but just some.
Slaanesh. Yes, excesses are at the forefront of everything. In addition to them there are perversions. Sex for such guys quickly becomes a boring thing, which either has to be accelerated as much as possible with music, theatrical production, drugs and other bodily sensations.
"The Astartes can defeat the *thing_name."
Oh yes, the greatest thing. I especially like "Company Astartes can take over the planet." Yes, they can. Feudal, for example, or wild. It's hard for people to realize that in 40k the Imperium will have even regular Imperial Worlds, not Hive Worlds, with massive anti-ship guns, massive anti-air guns, and numerous PDF regiments. This cult around the coolness of ceramite autists has been getting on my nerves for years.
Here we can also recall the misconception that all PDFs are stupid, weak, and cowardly soldiers who themselves cannot do anything, created in order to lose to the invaders and wait for the arrival of the Imperial Guard from other systems. The humor is that the Imperial Guard itself is recruited from the PDF, or rather from the best PDF fighters. The power of the PDF, and the IG too, depends on the level of importance of the planet. This is why there is such a wide range in the quality of the troops, from aborigines with sticks to cyborgs with plasma.
Baneblade. Hell yeah, 300 tons of reconnaissance noise. The fact that all other equipment is also made according to STC from the Dark Age of Technology does not bother anyone. Leman Russ, it turns out, is an infantry fighting vehicle, and the Chimera is something like a cool civilian car to pick up girls. And swim. Himpera is an amphibious vehicle, yes.
And no one will notice that comment.
They're not made according to STCs they're made from reverse-engineered STC parts and attempts to piece together damaged STC printouts.
The Baneblade probably only has so many turrets because the Admech couldn't agree where the turret was supposed to go and the project coordinator gave up and let everyone on the team put one on.
The Admech aren't engineers they're more like Victorian Paleontologists trying to work out how dinosaur bones went together for the first time.
Current baneblades are a shadow of what they must have been during the dark age of technology. A completely different vehicle.
I still think it's unlikely, maybe even a bit dumb, but there are ways for it to work
I remember there being lore that stcs are so decayed that the dark age of technology versions were much more powerful
Krieg aren't stupid morons. They're stupid geniuses with a redemption complex.
The whole ork thing seems to work on what they all consider to be correct, like a groupthink, if their bundle of gun-shaped scrap is the right shape, weight, colour, etc. It becomes dakka, or their other garbage becomes a bike, and the colours are heavily associated with certain traits and actions. When orks or their cool garbage are separated from the rest by a significant margin they become depressive and their stuff stops working.
I believe that two entirely separated ork hordes will have somewhat different groupthink results. Their imagination ability is not a "one ork" or "group of orks" thing, its a "all orks" thing.
Mek boys or brain boys or whatever are just orks but obsessed with their profession instead with some special gene-knowhow that they can use to put together stuff that every ork already agrees with, like their warpy weapons or stompas n shit.
Krorks are like orks but smart enough to do independant thought (incredibly dangerous)
I believe there is a story about two separate Free Boota war bands who met up in orbit to reinforce each other.
Both groups needed to repair their own ships, so da boyz were doing a space walk. One group did the walk without helmets or air.
When the other group, that was using air packs, questioned the first about the lack of air, all of the first died.
Ork belief doesn't make random bits of scrap in the shape of a gun into a shoota, it allows them to build a gun that doesn't constantly jam or malfunction due to shoddy construction and zero maintenance besides hitting it every now and then.
Absolutely false.
Listen orks can create working weapons and vehicles. Ork gun will not shoot without bullets, ork trukk will not move without gas. The fact that some rando magus-biologus don't understand ork tech doesn't mean that orks have reality warping abilities. It simply means that mechanicus was too prideful and dogmatic to see OrkMek's technical superiority.
@@funguy398 A Krork typed this
Tzeentchian motives ngl
"Cadia #1"
Oh no, my poor sweet deluded boy
The idea of the Kreigers being so brave just because they're not really sure what's going on is pretty good.
The orks are masters in the art of believing in yourself
You think someone would do that? Just tell lies on the Internet?
Idk I’ve heard rumors of such things. But Abraham Lincoln did say “no one ever lies on the internet” so idrk
My way of usually imagining/explaining the ork psychic ability is that if orks were gambling at a casino, if itd be more fun then their collective thought can make the dice come up 6 more often. It cannot however make the dice come up 7
Finally im not the only one thinking the Baneblade was just a glorified Chevy Tahoe of dark age of tech
Iyanden the lagest, coolest and best craftworld and arguably the only truly good faction in the Lore.
Survived being hit with an exterminautous level munition in witch a single one would be enough to wipe out life on a planet, and then got attacked by a hive fleet being border by nids and fought them on bord for a long time before prince Yriel and the eldritch raiders came and finally won the battle. Both of these is a testament to the size of craft world Iyanden being able to survive 2 planet killing events relativity back to back, that individualy have in the past been able to wipe out whole imperial worlds including space marine worlds, well obviously ultramar and bhal or whatever we're able to survive and kill the swarm lord as well many others were not as lucky, even in those conflicts whole chapters were wiped out, and in each case they had their factions most powerful units defending.
Iyanden on the otherhand had just been exterminautous nuked being greatly weakened loosing a massive chunk of their population (Iyanden was historically the most populus craftworld prior to these events) exiled Prince Yriel for letting it happen, loosing both their most powerful hero and a massive chunk of their remaining military that joined Yriel forming the Eldrich raiders, one of the largest and most powerful eldar Corsair fleets. Leaving Iyanden at a small fraction of their power when the tyranids attacked, the remaining forces held our along with no support for a very long time till Yriel and the Eldrich raiders finally returned and Yriel killed the swarm lord so hard the hivemind felt pain for arguably the first time since entering the galaxy.
Comparing a full strength Iyanden to the blood angels and all their successors with out their primarch leading them actually seems very one sided to Iyanden's advantage Comparing their performance vs the Nids, when you take in to account the blood angels had all their successors and narrowly held where as Iyanden had only a minuscule fraction of their full strength from before they started being screwed over back to back by the galaxy holding out till another mear fraction arrived and won the day for them.
At full strength Iyanden would massively out preform the Blood angels, and could have wiped out Bhal if they so please, however as stated earlier they are debatably the one good guys in the setting and don't generally every fight anyone apart from chaos, nids and maybe orks, they disagreed with biel-tan's pro gen-O-side stance and preferred diplomatic relations with non chaos aligned xenos even going to far as to host an imperial embassy and maintain good relations with the inquisition, they are also the reason that humanity had such an easy time colonizing their half the galaxy and why that half was noted as being far more peaceful by imperial officials as Iyanden was wiping out nearly all chaos influence in the area well Biel-tan handled the other side of the galaxy with a more aggressive approach being less efficient at combating chaos as they would be distracted by xenos and the need to wipe out all traces of xeno life on planets they encountered, where as Iyanden really didn't mind xenos, being utterly focused on the forces of chaos.
Regardless their activities made it much easier for xenos including humans to survive and expand in their half the galaxy. Without witch many imperial worlds including some space marine worlds would not even exist as imperial worlds.
Dispite being more then able to purge humanity much of their territory arguably better then Biel-tan who was smaller and weaker then Iyanden in their prime, they chose tolerate them right under their noses and ever helped them and engaged in diplomatic relations.
Theor benevolence towards xenos and others, is why Iyanden would never attack or wipe out uncorrected space marines (as they have eliminated massive fleets of chaos space marines)
Dispite having the the potential to in do in the past.
I honestly can't think of any serious conflict Iyanden has ever had Space marines, the closest I can think of is when gray knights borded a small empty craftworld that was being attacked by demons who sought to consume the souls of the dead, the gray nights defend the soul stones from the demons, then Iyanden showed up to try to save the craftworld only to find everyone dead except for some grayknights, naturally that's very suspicious so the Iyanden Asuryani were Innititaly a bit hostile demanding to know what had happened and why they were there when it became clear the grayknights were innocent and were actually defending the souls of the craftworld, Iyanden graciously thanked them for their efforts and their sacrifice as some of the knight has fallen, and escorted them safely back to the imperium as the grayknights had no means of transportation currently, comparing this to how many eldar would approach this most would assume hostile intent on part of the humans and attack them, or they may space them for their surface then abandon them with no way off the drifting hulk or maroon them somewhere nearby of off the craftworld after recovering the soul stones
Biel-tan specificly would not care what their reason was they would kill them as wipe any trance of their xeno filth from the craftworld even if it ment risking the soul stones in a fight with the knights.
Regardless to say Iyanden in its prime was bigger then some worlds. With a population dwarfing any other craftworld and even many human worlds, further more then were among if not the only craftworld that engaged in colonization, with good relationship with exodites, unlike most Asuryani who saw no point in colonizing world that were not once art of the Eldar empire, aka maidenwords, unlike most who at best thought to rebuild the old empire, Iyanden saw to make a new Eldar Empire, and as such colonized planets that were not part of the old empire as well as maidenwords, though would also not fight xenos off maidenwords if they happened to be populated already, theu would also regularly help exodites and other craftworlds in need, after all their run of very back luck Iyanden's population is now amongst the lowest, however with the dead now walking among the living and playing a major role in the continuation of Iyanden as the dead outnumber the living, it is however speculated that if Iyanden recalled all it's colonists they would once again be one of the most populous craftworld, however this is not something they would ever wish to do, for a few reasons, one of witch being it is best to not have all your eggs in one basket. Also they have been cutt off from their Collonies and allies by warpstorms and such for a long time.
Anyways Iyanden is also responsible for the discovery of soul stone on the crownworlds, and the creation of the infinite circuits, and freely sharing it with all Asuryani out of benevolence and the hope to save their people and build a new eldar empire, Innititaly they were like "hey guys here have this amazing technology to save your souls, now we can work together and rebuild our civilization."
And them most of the craftworld were like, "cool thanks, but you know I'm busy next weekend... and everyday after their for basicly ever so yeah thanks for the gift, bye"
The only one will really decide to work with Iyanden was Biel-tan who was like " ahh yeah thanks bro, we'll help ya Crack some heads and wipe out all the filthy xenos"
And Iyanden was like "uhh... you mean wipe out chaos and build an empire where our people can once more prosper?"
And Biel-tan was like "uhh yeah that... now let's kill some xenos!"
And Iyanden was like "uhh wait what, we only want to kill chaos, we have nothing against the xenos"
And Biel-tan was like "Yeah, that's what I said"
Then way later Biel-tan called Iyanden and was like "hey bro want to help us wipe out some xenos on some planets down to the last cell, it's going to be so rad bro" and Iyanden was like "What!?!, have you been gen-O-siding xenos this whole time?!?! We told you we don't do that!!!" And Biel-tan was like "I'm not hearing a now so you or what bro" and Iyanden was like "Fudge no we are not going to kill some innocent xenos"
And so Biel-tan was like "wow pro why you gotta be such a spoil sport, maybe we should like no hang out anymore if your going to be such a bumber." And Iyanden was like "maybe we shouldn't, i don't really want be hanging our with a homicidal maniacs"
And so they two went their separate ways, with Iyanden being an unrivaled force for good in one half of the galaxy and Biel-tan kinda just killing everything in their half...
That said they don't actually kill everyone and duo to their actives reducing chaos threats allowed for some Human worlds to survive that likly would not have otherwise one of witch if I remember correctly was Ultramar witch was really only able to prosper due to Eldar influence keeping the area around them safe.
didn't they have to team up with the dark eldar to defeat one ork waaagh
@waddledeep that was just after the nid attack that wad just after the exterminautous nuke, by this time like 90+% of Iyanden's population was dead.
The dark elder saw Iyanden suffering and conflicted in their use of necromancy aka wraith warriors and though it was too funny to let them die, finding their suffering and use of necromancy entertaining so they decided to help them vs a big Ork WAAAAAGH!!! That threatened to wipe them out again, so the dark elder decided to step in , after Iyanden was like why did you help you Druukri and they were like because we like watching you suffer, Iyanden is the dark elders favorite craftworld cuz the fact that Iyanden so nievely altruistic and once hopeful nature paired with their constant suffering moral dilemmas for survival causing themselves pain entertaining.
So in a way Iyanden has an unwanted guardian angel that just likes watching them suffer.
You failed to comprehend why it was that the BA were so heavily rammed by Leviathan. Need to kill off lots of firstborn to make room for big primaris replacement
This is an *awesome* read. Honestly, made me appreciate the Eldar even more, do you know where more information about be found about them?
I like how the older ork mob rules could work. You take fire and some die. But you look around and see that you got enough mates left. So you keep going. Ork units would check morale against unit size in a way. Orks do not need to overthink beating a bloke and taking their stuff.
All troopers got a shovel. There is a whole little standard kit along with the mess kit, lasgun and primer.
6:25 People forget that Space marine chapters aren't groups of 1000 intercessors. They have librarians, captains, terminators, vehicles, dreadnoughts, and a few even have their primarch.
People tend to vastly overestimate chapters or vastly underestimate them. Sure, a regular space marine can't hold off an entire army on their own, even if people like to think they could. Dreadnoughts, librarians and terminators could definitely do a lot all on their own though and people tend to ignore them.
Ya that’s true, but craftworlds are no joke. There can be millions of eldar, and they too have their specialists and vehicles. Depending on the craftworld there might be super powerful psykers, wraith knights, a ton of aspect warriors, etc.
Ofc not every craft worlds going to be like this as some are weakened or just not as good warriors as others. But I feel the average craft world would outclass the average marine chapter.
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Aeldari were introduced to the tabletop as a foil to marines, particularly Aspect Warriors. They're not as durable, but they make up for it by hitting harder and moving faster. Every marine unit HAD (obviously not anymore tho because of Marine favoritism) an eldar counterpart that wasn't as tough but was faster and hit harder. Wraithlords and dreadnoughts, Dire Avengers and Tactical Marines, Autarchs and Captains, Wraithguard and terminators, Farseers and Librarians, the two factions were supposed to be more or less equals on the tabletop. The problem is at a larger scale. A chapter has only 1000 members, plus command and support staff. Even the smallest Craftworlds are going to have tens, or even hundreds, of thousands of Aeldari, with the populations of the largest ones being in the millions and all of them can at minimum be called up as Guardians. Equal numbers, it's more or less an even fight, but the Aeldari so vastly outnumber the Marines it's nowhere close to fair. On top of this, Craftworlds have their own titans, and a Chapter doesn't really have a counter to that other than orbital bombardment or massed Thunderhawks and Astraeuses.
The death corps of Kreeg swore they'd give their lives for the emperor, not their death. You see the difference?
The “Kriegers are blind” misconception would perfectly explain why they keep executing the commissars that tell them not to charge into certain death. xD
“The punishment for cowardice is death!”
“Dude, you just shot the commissar!”
“I WHAT?!?”
“Yeah, he was telling you not to charge straight into that tank regiment,”
“Wait, that’s what he was saying?? I couldn’t hear him at all! And those are tanks? I thought they were bunkers!”
I've never heard the meme of the baneblade being a light tank in the dark age of technology.
I have heard *all* guard tank variants were once farming and construction machinery for colonizing planets during the dark age of technology, such as the Leman Russ acting like a tractor
The DAOT was 10k years long and pre imperium humanity was not a unified faction.
Different star nations focused on different things, plus frontier worlds had worse tech than more developed worlds.
Technological sophistication was all over the place.
@@whitewall2253 you couldn't be more incorrect, humanity used AI and STC (Standard Template Constructs) for their colonizing of planets, in the 30k and 40k settings these have been lost to time and individuals and groups find fragments of these STCs in order to regain lost knowledge, this can range from some form of new forgotten weapon, a vehicle design, or something as simple as a self heating mess tin.
This is why forgeworlds and hive worlds across the galaxy used similar technology, to differing degrees.
One instance which springs to mind is Horus at the outbreak of the heresy destroying a forgeworld which employed power armour for ordinary humans, Horus wanted this STC destroyed because he didn't want mortal humans to be able to fight off the legions without the use of spacemarines, making his rebellion easier.
The thing which goes wrong with imperial thinking Is they come across an STC for something mundane like a tractor, and assume it must be some sort of weapon, a similar type of logic happened when scientists on Terra cloned monkeys from DNA Gene banks and manipulated it's genes to grow a poison stinger on the end of it's tail, because their line of reasoning was it must have been some sort of weapon.
Humanity in 40k is mentally broken and paranoid
The Leman Russ tank was the Dark Age equivalent of a 3d printed tank - reasonably powerful and easy to produce even with very limited resources.
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 No, Dark Age Humanity wasn't united and probably did have different tech to some extent - they didn't just have a bunch of legacy designs, they had Standard Template Constructors - advanced AIs capable of building new technology as needed. They probably also had the knowledge to just build things? But the Standard Template Constructors were self-sufficient, capable of adapting and building from local resources. The Leman Russ design, for instance, came about because a Constructor was asked to provide a solution to specific problem. Somewhere else a different solution might have been adopted. Like, the solution you get for 'build a truck for me and the boys living out of a colony ship in the middle of nowhere to haul wood with' and 'build a truck to cruise around the orbital megalopolis' are going to be very different.
Of course, STCs are also *standard templates*. A Leman Russ almost certainly shares commonalities with certain tractor designs, because on some level they came from the same 'mind' and may be built to share common components.
Cut to 30k, even in its greatest heyday the Imperium is a shadow of the Dark Age - it has to use existing designs it picks up along the way. Which means that its capabilities are limited by what designs it actually has access to, and then further limited by what industrial capabilities it actually has - i.e. they can't actually build the fanciest stuff anymore. By 40k this gets even worse. But it's not because there's a tiny number of STC designs, there's a *huge* variety, most of them just aren't buildable anymore, or are too damaged to read, aren't favored for some reason or other, or the dynamics make them ineffective ('this SAM is smaller and more effective than the manticore... but it is very technically sophisticated to use and we don't have trained operators') or just aren't as good as the 'typical' design (the Malcador compared to the Baneblade, for instance).
@@basedeltazero714 just reading your first paragraph I know you've completely misunderstood the timeline in Warhammer.
So the "dark age of technology" is just the imperial propaganda name for the golden age of technology when humanity were united and at their absolute peak in technology, they view it as a dark age because of the decision humanity made at that point which later caused the near extinction of the species.
They did have AI which created STCs, the AIs themselves aren't STCs, else the imperium and Mechanicum would destroy them upon finding them but we know they go to extreme lengths to collect them.
Vehicles like Lemans Russ tanks are so universal and the chassis itself is versatile that it is used for everything a heavy vehicle can be used for, from construction to war, it's just the modern imperium is consumed by war so that's where their priorities are.
These STCs are basically like a basic design with which you can adapt to the resources you have, that's why some imperial guard tanks can be fueled by wildly different sources, from radioactive material, to promethium, to coal steam power, the STCs just gave the original colonists the best chance for survival dependent on what resources they had to hand on their new planet.
I'd say the misconception with the bane blade being a "Scout tank" is the fact it is *litterally* a scout tank. Not a light scouting vehicle but a mobile base you send ahead to function as litterally the galaxy's most deadly camper van for scouts to live in. What are you gonna do? Blow up their recon base? That thing probably has more firepower than you! I could see it being used as a more combat oriented smaller crassus where its used to host a team of scouts and provide fire power rather than scout itself
I was about to mention the same thing, but decided to check comments if someone had the same idea. It didn't even need to have the firepower at first, lot of Imperium's military hardware started as civilian equipment: Leman Russ tank is based on a tractor chasis someone decided to weld armor and turret to, terminator armor was originally a protective suit for the maintenance of the inside of plasma reactors, the original Land Raider Proteus was an exploratory vehicle, Macrocarid Explorator has its function in its name, and even stunties use their scouting vehicles as tanks.
It wouldn't surprise me if the original Baneblade design was closer to Stormlord.
I think the biggest reason for Kriegers being stupidly suicidal, at least for me, is because the Siege of Vraks books portrayed them as completely mindless drones who were asked to 'march' into the enemy position to just die for the Emperor. Not even fighting or trying to take positions, just MARCH into enemy fire and die, just to deplete their ammunition. And they happily did so.
Makes a WW1 charge look like a field trip in comparison, except incredibly stupid.
As for the ork misconception, I'm happy to see it getting some attention. Orks get smarter the bigger they get, and they have knowledge of how to build things in their genes, so if the genes activate in an ork, they becomes X or Y. Mek boys know how to build things that work, and the bigger they get, the bigger things they can build. They just don't know HOW it works.
Edit: Here's the paragraph in question: "Onward came the Death Korps, resolute and steadfast, the front ranks in parade ground order. And so they died, scythed down by enemy fire, man after man, as they walked head long into a pitiless hurricane of fire." - Last paragraph of page 22, Imperial Armor volume five.
Well you see, Death Marshal Brannigan knew that the enemies only had a finite amount of ammunition, so he pulled that brilliant tactical maneuver…
But yeah, I feel like that’s made people perceive kreigers as a bunch of dumb dumbs and by extension the guard as a whole. The orks imagining anything has also irked me for a good while. I think that explanation is far more interesting than them just having the power of imagination.
Anyways thanks for watching I really appreciate it!
except that is not what it said or described.
what it actually described was the kriegers RAN, not marched, into an area they were told by imperial intelligence to be an unfinished weak spot that wasn't. and that the kriegers lost confidence in their non-krieg commanders after that. even disobeying orders in a later offensive to dig-in (they were ordered to push as far as possible, but they desided to stop and dig in instead, allowing them to fight off the enemy counter attack the headquarters said wasn't gonna come). not only that but it also descibes that when they were left to fight the war on their own terms they did the opposite of open charges across no mans land.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 You're wrong.
"Onward came the Death Korps, resolute and steadfast, the front ranks in parade ground order. And so they died, scythed down by enemy fire, man after man, as they walked head long into a pitiless hurricane of fire."
At the end of page 22 of Imperial Armor volume five.
if you actually read the book thats not what happened at all.
they performed offensive pushes against a giant fortress, a fortress they had no idea about or where anything from machineguns, artillery and even minefield were. the tactic they used was to send infantry ahead and measure which areas killed the most of their men yes, BUT, they did so much more than that. they gave them artillery support, gave them mobile heavy weapons to defend positions they might (and did) take. Vraks is a perfect example of just how brutal 40k can be while doing it in a realistic way.
believe it or not this is how we fight in real life, we measure casualties and use that information ot guess where the most enemies or atleast the least capable ones are located. thus letting us break through enemy lines and shatter them.
@@thatorangeguy3646 "Onward came the Death Korps, resolute and steadfast, the front ranks in parade ground order. And so they died, scythed down by enemy fire, man after man, as they walked head long into a pitiless hurricane of fire."
It's right there at the end of page 22 of Imperial Armor volume five.
The Kriegers don't *waste* their lives, but they're happy to *spend* their lives. there's a big difference in that.
Actually that’s true most think that the main Krieg melee weapon is the shovel but that’s more of a resourceful backup since all of them are mostly trained with bayonets as their main melee weapon
I imagine the shovel meme originated from them digging trenches, but that’s a little like making power tools the most iconic part of the Leagues Of Votann
My logic for the baneblade "scout tank" nonsense, is that it wasn't a "fast recon" type and more of a "self sufficient explorer". Since they have entire bunk rooms inside them lol. They are more like a ship or submarine then a tank in that sense. They have enough guns and armor to keep themselves safe from anything that isn't dedicated to kill them, so they can spend a few months out by themselves on isolated and dangerous missions. Perhaps where there isn't even a active conflict with anybody, but just for patrolling a death world.
(Fule efficiency and 'just use a drone' and other logical issues aside)
That's what I also theorized as headcanon. As dumb as it sounds, I still like the idea of the self-sufficient exploration platform.
If this "standard chapter" has their hands on a couple cyclone torpedoes they could lol
On the tabletop Kriegers are freaking terrifying. They have an ability -- they're just randomly bringing models back every command phase.
Once, a unit of 10 held a light tank in combat 3 rounds.
Another extremely popular misconception I dislike (even pertaining to the Guard this one) is the, "Lasguns are flashlights" nonsense.
Another is the Roboute x Yvraine relationship. This was never a thing. Yvraine simply helped revive Roboute and maybe had a chat, then went on her way.
“And new ones to replace them” ok now I want to see this that sound refreshing
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Just discovered your channel and am loving it! Keep it up man!
Thank you very much! I’ve got lots of plans for the future, so I hope it continues to grow!
I always viewed the shovel meme as a comment on krieger resoursefulness. They operate effectively with the bare minimum (much like troops during the first world war). Given no comforts, conviences and asking for none in turn. So, would a krieger fight with a shovel if they had to, yeah, are they likely, of fucking course not.
Oh yes I like the guard using improvised weapons, it’s an interesting thing that happened in the world wars. But the memes make it seem like it’s their preferred weapon lol, they’re pretty fun though so the shovel bois can stay
A shovel is actually a pretty good melee weapon and was used by WWI troops due to it having a longer reach that a bayonet xd
An E-tool doesn't have longer reach, rifles if you couldn't tell are pretty long and sticking a knife on the end basically makes a half-decent spear, which is a much better weapon at actually killing people than a short, blunt digging tool.
@@tau-5794 iirc in a documentary i watched they said the shovels were preferable since you could swing them easier in the more cramped trenches than an unwieldy rifle bayonet
@@tau-5794 I have to question what guns you ever seen, even ww1 rifles are around like 1m- 1m 30cm but because you likely have to hold them with both hands at best you have like 90 cm reach, way more likely less ... that is like a sword reach, on a "spear" that is not design for it. A proper spear is like 2 m long or more, something you would use for defense like a pike is over 3m. The shovel is not that great either but its particularly more easy to wield as a weapon, less blunt that u expect (not to mention easy to sharpen if u know you will use it as a weapon). The advantage of a bayonet more comes to not having to change weapons, getting more of a double deterrent of being shot or stabbed, but if you ran out of ammo or something, yea you are better of w the shovel, hell just hold the bayonet w ur hand even.
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I think the 1 space marine chaper can take out an entire craftworld myth comes from the angry space marine fanatics. And to be fair space marines get more than enougth plot armor to do neary anything, so i can see where they come from
Yeah that and the story where a marine chapter defeated an already heavily crippled craftworld, not a super fair metric to go off. A full powered craftworld would give them a lot more troulble.
Inconsistent writing is also to blame, as with a lot of 40K things lol.
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@@KrakDuk Even an extremely thinly populated Craftworld would be impossible to be taken Over by a 1000 Marines in battle unless some plot device happens like the Eldar literally shoot themselves and die. We are talking millions upon millions of Eldar populations and that is like the population of a single larger present day city like think Chicago with a population of roughly 2,7 million. New York has over 8 million.
@@ProtonCannon and thats how we go to the conclusion that single marine chapter cant do shit even against regular human world. Becouse numbers and size. Even 10 000 marines should be a joke to a planet like Earth.
@@maximum9977 You would be surprised how many fans are still firmly convinced that a Chapter of 1000 could easily take over modern the day USA.
I hate the Perturabo as manchild misconception. This comes from the scene in his primarch novel where he is arguing with his foster father. Perturabo was the equivalent of 15 or 16 years old in this scene! And he had a legitimate grievance in that scene. All he wanted was to use his abilities for art, design and technology to benefit people. And his foster father referred to his amazing designs as his "follies". Do you know what a folly is? It's a little novelty structure added to an estate for fun and scenery. It's a life size terrain piece. So Perturabo's greatest efforts were denigrated to the level of props, then his foster father has the gall to say that he loves him. I hate this misconception, I want it gone!
I really love the Idea of the Death Korps always suffering from tunnelvision because of their masks.
"Hermann, what is command saying? This position will be overrun and we should regroup at defensive line theta? There's barely a dozen Tyranids coming for us." Meanwhile the entire horizon is moving and chittering.
Finally someone who does not confuse Warhammer with Warhammer 40K
i personally think that orc technology has all the basic components you’d need, but it lacks any of the actual complicated parts required to make them work, but the orks don’t know those intricacies even exist so they assume their weapons work as intended, allowing them to work better then they should
Scale and scope is the greatest challenge for 40k.
Krieger, remember, life is the emperor's currency. Spend it well
So Happy I watched this I laughed out loud a few times nice work!
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GW taking all the fun out of Orks is a killjoy. We need more Ork lunacy
Now that Helldivers 2 are so popular, you can explain to people Kriegs are just Helldivers but WWI. You don't mind completing the mission going through 25 helldivers in progress, you don't want to, but the mission is more important than anything.
#4 came because of the 5E Space Marine codex, written by Matt "Spiritual Liege" Ward. In the timeline, he did describe the Invaders wrecking the hitherto unmentioned Idharae craftworld, then surviving retribution by two major ones, I believe Saim-Hann and Alaitoc. The chapter supposedly took heavy losses, but was noted to fight Chaos Space Marines in a few decades so it made do. The small lore blurb had no mention of Guard, other SM chapters or the like.
Later lore mentioned that the craftworld, alongside two others (Iyanden and Malan'tai) had previously fought in a grueling campaign to defeat Hive Fleet Naga, so presumably they were at least somewhat depleted, and the Legion of the Damned showed up to help, and they took heavy losses, but yes, a single Space Marine Chapter destroyed a craftworld and fought off attacks by two very pissed major craftworlds, because they are Space Marines. Shockingly enough for this book, they were not Ultramarine Successors.
Let's just say that Matt "Spiritual Liege" Ward is STILL infamous.
The way I like to describe the mentality of the Death Korps is that they aren't suicidal morons, they have just had every shred of self preservation bred out of them, to the point where it is explicit canon that they can be bad for the morale of OTHER regiments if they are fighting alongside non Korpsmen. They won't think twice about a suicide rush into direct enemy fire if it is what they actually think will get the job done. There was a bit in the Siege of Vraks where they were attacking a fortified position and ran across a minefield and just kept going rather than retreating or slowly clearing the minefield, because they felt that if even a few of them survived and got into the enemy lines they could cause immense havoc, and they did! Basically think of them being like Necron Warriors, but still capable of thinking for themselves, even if it's not exactly a common occurrence.
The last point sterns from the general misconception about the Dark Age of Technology.
It wasn't about super-tech - more so about available adaptable tech. You remember that one Man of Iron that's still kicking it? That robot isn't that advanced or powerful. Its just smarter and more complex automaton with gatling gun and powerclaw. The knights? Those machines are from the Dark Age. And while they weren't top-of-the-line tech by any metric, IIRC, they are still technically archeotech.
Dark Age tech just isn't that powerful. Sure there were some epic super-weapons or gigantic proportions - but it's very possible those were just as rare as some Gloriana-class battleship is now. We simply don't have enough details, and those that we do have are vague and often conflicting.
In most likelihood Baneblade wasn't the "light scout tank" simply because it was just a tank. Maybe of better variant, better equipped and in much greater numbers, but that's probably it.
That man of iron has changed bodies several times afaik, the current body it has is a more modern (see: technologically stagnated) chassis. Dark age tech was much better overall, the difference isn’t availability but the fact that innovation and knowledge of construction was still widespread and encouraged, not jealously guarded by the mechanicus or subject to weird pseudo-religious limitations
@@colonelturmeric558 Also they had AI and generally far more widespread computers. That helped. At least until it didn't.
best cannon is head-cannon have fun
True. Rule of cool and head canon are supreme
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I love adeptus ridiculous and all that, but yeah, Bricky dropping the ball on WAAGH magic is just.. such a simple blunder no average 40k fan can do. Sure, there's reality bending with enough believing from orks, but they work on suspension of disbelief rules. You can only pretend to be tank so far before you cannot ignore the fact that you are not infact a tank after all.
slaanesh is a god of excess in the sense of following fleeting whims as they take you.
obsessive perfectionism is anathema to slanessh as she can't abide the discipline required to deny all other pursuits to master a single thing.
That's why the Asuryani path system works.
I think the biggest 40k misconception is that it is still a good game.
THIS!
What I find most unthinkable is that the shooting doesn't happend "everyone, in the same phase, and only at the end of which we will see who is hit"
NO!!!
You fire and see who dies right away. So that you can shoot the opponent shooter, so your guys die less, so more of your guys shoot, and start spiraling an avalanching advantage.
So it's a wargame but fucc your big brain strategy, just roll well to go first!
I have a bomb
evil mlk be like: @@Mfn_Tagilla
@@maceja5890 So true lmao
Agreed!
I believe the shovel meme with the krieg corps is just from world war memes merging with krieg since they have very obvious inspirations
The way I could see a Baneblade being used as a scouting unit is just because, by virtue of having that much firepower (and presumably also space for other kinds of equipment), a single one could be used to survey planet surfaces by itself, without needing an escort.
Honestly, it would be cool if, in principle, it was supposed to host a variety of exploration/surveying tools during mankind's age of discovery, but then sh*t hit the fan and humanity started to use all those slots just to put more guns in their place.
The misconception from no.5 was someone who played a bit too much battletech, saw how House Steiner used Superheavy tanks and Mechs as scouts, and than forgot to tell someone that wasn't 40k when they retold it
The ork one is kind of true. But its a lot less powerful than we think. Orks can do that, but only if enough of them think so, and its still very weak, so if 50 orks think that red makes them go faster for those 50 orks red go fast. But you can't tell 1 ork that a log can fire lasers and have that log fire lasers.
The death korps are not suicidal. However, they will charge a tank but only if they have an anti tank grenade on them. YOU SHUSH ABOUT THE SHOVELS LET US HAVE OUR SHOVEL BOIS! Also Steel Legion is better!
''A single space marine'' Depends, is it an angry blood angel, a named ultramarine, or a dark angel that has a slight suspicion that a fallen is in the general area?
Ork belief is actually more than you think, there were documentated cases in the 40k universe, where people tried to reverse engineer ork weapons and learned that they simply should not work the way they do.
Humans use ork weapons and tech all the time though. Ork stuff just doesn’t work as well for them and breaks down way more often in other races hands than ork hands.
@@sturm9087 Yes they use it, but when they try to learn HOW it works, it does not make any sense.
@@Obsidianen that doesn’t make any sense. Why would it work for humans without the waaaaagh field if the guns didn’t work innately. Besides the one ad mech source I’ve seen reference the waaaagh field (I think in the 3rd edition ork codex) says that all ork equipment is fully functional if ramshackle but they work slightly better than they have any reason to in the hands of an ork. Same with red vehicles being slightly faster. Its slight enough that the mechanicus aren’t even totally convinced its real and might just be a sign of confirmation bias.
@@sturm9087 "Many a Techmarine has opened an Ork Slugga to find it to be just a box with bolts and bits of metal in it."
"Ork technology (or "teknologee") is characterised by a constant stream of poorly thought-out experimentation and attempts to constantly outdo the competition to build the biggest gun, the largest Gargant (a huge land-based combat walker), or the fastest Warbuggy, and also mainly by the fact that in many cases the only reason it works at all is because of the Orks' latent psychic powers."
You can think what you will about these quotes. Have a nice day.
@@Obsidianen quotes from where exactly? Just writing words and saying they’re quoted doesn’t mean anything unless you actually know where they’re from
Speaking of misconceptions among fanbase of 40k - I constantly meet people who say that invention is forbidden for Mechanicus, despite codexes literally naming some their inventions, and Lathe Worlds mentioning structures whose goal is to research and invent new things. As an Adeptus Mechanicus fan, I find it extremely annoying due to how easy it is to find lore telling literally the opposite thing.
Maybe, and this is a big MAYBE, but maybe the baneblade is a “scout tank” in the same way an MBT like a T-72 or M1 Abrams are used for recon by force. Maybe the original idea was that the Baneblade was the MBT class of it’s era, I dunno though. Great video either way.
no no no. it isn't a luxury Sudan. the Baneblade was an autocamped. a big mobile home that someone then strapped guns to. that's why there is room for a compartment where you just have a scribe servitor writing about the tanks engagements. that used to be the bathroom.