@@dylanlarge11 I tend to agree, personally I am generally a conservative voter, but nevertheless I still expect a strong opposition to push the already questionable conservative government, and I don’t think he has got it in him.
@@emersonsimmo90 Well each to their own but they are the reason we have children starving, 'let the bodies pile high' is apparently acceptable during these times etc. Corbyn was the one to provide real opposition because well he was the total opposite of the tories but now it may aswell be the same party.
@@michaelchapman-johns1935 Forgive me, Michael, but you really really sound like a particularly asinine Bot with a strong aroma of Troll wafting around your comments. If you are either a Bot or a Troll, my opinion of your pathetic stab at trying to sit at the Big Boys' table has failed dismally. So I sincerely hope that you are a Botty Bot Bot/Troll, because the alternative is too tragic to contemplate.
This is mostly a very accurate documentary - I live in the North East and as a former member of the Labour Party, would love to vote for Thelma Walker rather than 'Saudi Paul'. Luckily I don't live in Hartlepool and only need to vote for my brilliant Labour councillor this Thursday. But Owen, please - NOT ALL OLDIES ARE TORIES. I'm on the dismal state pension, rent a small flat and get more left-wing as I get older!!!!!
To some extent I think the age is a red herring. Older people are more likely to be property owners, it’s this ownership of your own home that seems to be driving a shift in values that the Tories can exploit. We live in a time where the route to wealth is less about the work you do but the assets you hold Also brexit
@@kratos.8151 Did I miss something ? Have we had a Labour Government since 2017 ? There are only winners and losers in this game and Corbyn simply wasn’t smart enough, hungry enough , to win. Oh Brexit broke Corbyn.....Corbyn broke Corbyn through indecision.....and the country smelt it.
@@californiadreamin8423 I love how proud centrists are of their total disinterest in actually learning anything from elections. Straight up publicly admitting that there's nothing to learn from the only election in which Labour *increased* its vote share in 20 years. So scared of mild socdem policy that you plug your ears and scream "cOrByN bAd" until it hopefully becomes true. You love to see it
Labour picked a pro Remain career MP, we voted him out of Stockton South because he did nothing for the area and did whatever the labour whip told him to do, don't you think Hartlepool folk will wonder why their neighbours didn't want him 🤔
Paul Williams may be an honest guy but he came across as hesitant and lacking in self belief. Anyone with a shred of self awareness would avoid Mandelson like the plague. Thelma was quite nice and the Reform candidate wasn't a ghoul. I predicted a Tory win after a tossup and it may end up being an easy one. Starmer should bear the brunt of this .
Thelma Walker was actually a Labour 2017 MP, but left the party when Starmer became leader. She was meant to be listed as Northern Independence Party here in Hartlepool, but will only be down as independent.
@@567secret I'm fairly sure she'll be on the ballot paper as Northern Independence Party as she's their candidate. I know there was some confusion caused by Labour attempts to cast doubt on NIP's registration but she's been campaigning and is standing as a NIP candidate in their first parliamentary seat election.
Granny Grunt is symptomatic of all that is wrong with the left, socialism is dead and we have to embrace social democracy as we did under Blair, thriving market economy with a decent safety-net and modest but not too massive welfare.
Way to go, Big Boy. (Neil Connolly). Because the alternative is so appealing, am I right or am I right? It's just great to see Johnson and his cabal of wreckers whose only goal is to turn old Blighty into a tax haven for billionaires who bankrolled Brexit. Almost forgot to mention the blatant thieving that is draining the Exchequer dry, multi million pound contracts handed over to Tory party donors, friends and family who have never ever produced the PPE procurement, or the 37 billion pounds wasted on a Track and Trace system that disappeared into thin air. No accountability, no shame. But by all means, do not sully yourself by voting for the Labour party under Keir Starmer. Perish the thought. You absolute jackass.
A thorough examination. Vote for the Northern Independence Party. The Labour Party stands for corporatism. Jeremy Corbyn had fantastic socialist policies and that is why he succeeded in Hartlepool. Starmer voting Remain caused Labour to falter in 2019 but Corbyn still held it. Labour under Starmer is finished. It stands for superficiality.
It's sort of sad when people don't recognise that councils, whoever they are run by get their money from central government, so I don't think it's fair to blame Labour constituencies for lack of investment when it's the Tories who fail to offer enough of it. That said, Starmer is a wet towel as opposition.
Sadly, the voters seem too daft to realise that austerity and starving the town of funds (both Tory Westminster policies) aren't done by the local Labour representative(s). I guess they will get the politicians they deserve.
So let me get this right, Tories spending money in impoverished regions where they have representation is buying votes but Labour spending money in impoverished regions, where they have representation, are investing in the future?
And as Labour is no longer the party of the indigenous working class instead represents immigrants and BAME people and intersectionalists, it will likely lose this seat.
Quite a worrying and anti democratic stance from the labour campaigner to say that a vote for anyone but labour or the conservatives is irrelevant and that other parties don’t matter! Maybe if labour were offering better policies, more people wouldn’t be moving to the likes of the northern Independence Party or the Green Party.
You have to be from Hartlepool to understand Hartlepool. The reason labour is projected to lose this town is not because of the competence of the conservative party, but because of the failings of the labour party for almost 50 years. Make no mistake that this town does have money but that money is completely mismanaged. Not to mention they've got yet another career politician standing in for MP, doctor or not, it shows how out of touch the labour party is with this town.
The irony of the Akers-belchers talking is absolutely colossal since they've looked after their own pockets and ran the council by overwhelming people with their self entitled attitude.
You could say the same about Salford, yet Labour will win easily again. I’ve lived there for over 20 years, Labour have run Salford for over 50. Away from the few “glamour” areas, things are not pretty. And yet the electors of Salford seem conditioned to keep voting Labour into power. I think the Tories are still seen locally as toffs, they always win the 3 wealthiest wards in every election, and Labour always win at least 15 of the other 17. LibDems used to be a growing threat to Labour but that ended when they went into the Coalition in 2010
Labour killed Labour in the North East , Anna Turley apologised to me about Jeremy Corbyn as leader, I said he was great, she lost Redcar. Maybe a Conservative MP in Hartlepool is for the best, when the Right wing of Labour cannot abide the Left.
That's like blaming an unconscious patient for dying when someone turns their oxygen off. The local authorities are being starved of funding by the Tories.
Labour take Hartlepool for granted. We need to become a marginal seat so both parties will fight for it and invest in the town! Look at Darlington...soon to be High speed rail link and relocation of the treasury. The industrial heartland is long gone, the shipyards and the pits are a distant memory! It's time for change!!
Enlightening as it is depressing. But as someone from the North it feels to me that local Labour-held councils are going to struggle massively. Central Govt, which has been Tory for over a decade, has held the purse strings but its long standing Labour councils who are blamed for local decline. I don’t know how Labour address this.
Great summary in the description Owen. Pretty much hit the nail on the head, the tories have an effective an obvious strategy (to target homeowners) whearas Labour doesn't. The political system favours the tories and I don't really know the answer tbh
Need to somehow get into power and change the electoral system to an STV-type system. Would be the fairest in terms of representation, and you couldn't really argue it's a selfish move because the Tories could still win under it.
@@jamesgunn7 'somehow get I to power' I'm more inclined to believe Marx to be honest and suggest that revolution is impossible. We are seeing an increase in civil unrest a cross the world as capitalism undergoes harsher and harsher crises. I'm not saying it's gonna happen soon just that it will happen eventually
Well look at what youre saying, you're accepting that the tories speak to the concerns of those voters, the homeowners. Then you're saying that Labour doesn't. Is your conclusion really that it's the system that's at fault?
@@dm0065 Labour shouldn't be a party for homeowners, because homeowners interests are not those of the majority. Labour was founded and should be a party of the working class since that does reflect the views of the majority. Ita the systems fault that the views of the majority are not reflected in government.
Its amazing how Boris is seen as being for the people, when he shows such disdain for us and seems hellbent on filling his pockets and welcoming Russian Oligarchs. A bit of flag waving fixes any lies.
I am from Hartlepool and unfortunately this video just sums up the situation. Labour at the moment are just clueless they chose the worst possible candidate to stand. Unfortunately though people are in the mindset that it has to be either Labour or conservatives so the majority look to be voting conservatives either though in the 11 years they been in government they have took police officers away party closed the police station meaning anyone arrested has to go though to Middlesbrough leaving even less police in the town closed the court meaning again people have to go though to Middlesbrough seen poverty rise in the town that they is about 9 different foodbanks here now and now a baby bank as well yet people here are just going to vote conservative it seems. That is despite some decent candidates standing as independent and other parties. It just worries me the way this country is going.
Owen, please. Corbyn's personal ratings were in extreme negative territory in 2019, which is why Labour lost. However great you or others might think Corbyn was, the majority of British voters didn't agree. Stop trying to gaslight everyone into believing that wasn't the case. It's getting ridiculous now.
18:33 Just brilliant. As someone living in a town in the north of England, but looking to work in an industry dominated by London, this rings so true. There's so much to offer in towns like mine if people recognise their potential
Abandoning the working class in favour of middle class London identity politics is what's killed labour yet you still blame the press and anyone else but yourselves until you realise this your doomed for more failure
It's really disappointing hearing they fear lack of investment if they don't vote for the government party, it just makes me think of what Corbyn's Labour could've done for the impoverished areas across the country, as he, and those of us on the left, actually cared.
Owen! I was desperately hoping for an Anywhere But Westminster episode in Hartlepool and you've essentially delivered! Fantastic! Thank you very much. So interesting to hear people on the ground.
Labour is dying which is awful for us that what to end tory rule but it can't be denied that Labour is killing itself, it's so depressing i what hope but i can't live on false hope.
Are people aware ALL county and local councils receive their funding from central government and the tories have consistently reduced funding to local and county councils that are Labour run? tories will never support Labour council leaders, despite the councils that have “declared bankruptcy” have been tory councils!
Well that didn't age well 16 point swing to the Tories .... but I'm sure it'll be because Starmer isn't radical enough.... or apathy of the voters, not a reflection on the Labour Party :)
The reasons you lost. 1. Kneeling for a criminal 2. Pandering to those who think you can change gender. 3. Disrespecting law and order. 4. Labour mps being hateful on social media
Incredibly proud to support thelma and NIP, we need real democratic socialism brought about by passionate ordinary northerners with an extraordinary love for the people
That bloke at 14 mins hits the nail on the head. The strategy of Labour for too long is percieved as keep 'em needy, keep 'em complaining, keep 'em voting Labour. And they've simply lost patience with that. And as for the idea that investment is bribery, criticising an opponent for doing what one has been saying should have happened for years just sounds hollow and hypocritical and the electorate there are more than savvy enough to know this.
People don't seem to understand that a large chunk of council budgets come from central government. If the budgets have been cut, which they have over the last 11 years, then naturally the services in those constituencies will decline
Doesn't help that for the first half of the decade Labour were too scared of our own shadow to emphatically come out against austerity and actually talk about the cuts.
@@jamesgunn7 Really more of this pifling "the electorate are stupid" nonsense?. The people of Teesside are friendly however they don't tolerate the arrogant southern snobbery you just espoused sir !. It's well known across Teesside that Labour councils have been wasteful with taxpayers money on stupid vanity projects while taking backhanders from property developers to build more houses in areas that already can't cope with the existing traffic. But by all means keep spouting your arrogant southern nonsense cowering behind the safety of your keyboard.
The reason why Labour did better in the 2017 Election was that they said they would honour the result of the referendum of 2016 and stop the free movement of people , once they changed on that, it was over , labour still lost in 2017 by 56 to the Conservatives, but somehow seen as some sort of Victory by the left.
I've heard it reported that voters in Hartlepool intend to vote for '.change' and so will vote Tory . Given we've had the Tories in power at Westminster since 2010 and they have a Tory backed coalition Council that logic escapes me completely.
My big frustration is that those who are running the Labour party at the moment and some people in the media said that Corbyn was the biggest problem. That replacing him would bring the voters back for Labour, yet hes been replaced and judging by the expected results tomorrow, thats not been the case. Yet nobody in the media at the moment will mention it. Starmers whole "bit" was being able to unify the party and bring the voters back, his strategy isnt achieving this but he gets a free pass.
I spoke to a former Labour man. He said the party is not fighting for working people as much as it is fighting for non-workers. So from this, Labour needs to connect with workers again.
I hope Labour do lose as Starmer is a disgrace and the candidate they chose is deliberate slight to the traditional labour vote in Hartlepool who voted for Brexit. The only downside is the Tory Party will have wall to wall coverage of their election victory on Thursday
Posts and short sighted attitudes like yours are simply music to Tory ears!!! Doesn't that bother you at all?! Or maybe you just don't understand the logistics and limitations of the voting system within the FPTP system? Maybe you rather like the idea of an indefinite corrupt and greedy state hating Tory government, because that's what will happen if people don't get their heads out the sand!
I think your last point about Labour having to appeal to two diverging core bases was really pognient. I feel increasingly despondant as I wonder if the differences between these groups are reconcilable. In any other electoral system than FPTP it would result in a split and possible coalition; but our broken electoral system means these broad alliances are all that's possible. With the aliances of today seemingly formed over social values I honestly can't see a way for Labour to win.
This is an excellent documentary, even if its conclusion (though correct) is depressing for us on the left. The fact that working-class voters now see little distinction between Labour and the Tories, alongside the Labour candidate's inability to state Labour's vision, is bleak.
I've lived here all my fifty years in the poorest ward in Hartlepool. I'm qualified to post grad level with a degree in law. I've been involved in the community, activism, charities & politics for 30 years. I was the local applicant they claimed didn't exist when they choose someone from elsewhere. I am admittedly disabled having broken my back & neck with the army in 1992 that has only really given me more time to study issues. I should have at least been allowed to offer myself as a candidate. Ignored by my CLP, also of course ignored by Owen despite repeated attempts. Owen has preferred Right Wing voices either quasi Tories or Blairites.
I'm just tired of being excluded and of all disabled people being abused. I suppose I should be fortunate not to be among the ATOS dead and know my place, but exclusion only makes me angrier.
Well put together, balanced and reasonable presentation, therefore entirely out of step with what we’re constantly fed by a predominantly right wing press. The idea that this Tory administration would ever give a single damn for ordinary people is a well crafted lie spooned out in quantity. Sadly, it’s effective.
Oh dear. More wilderness years for you. Is that all you’ve got? We’ve voted against our own interests? That mouldy old chestnut! People are voting Conservative in ever increasing numbers because it is in their own interests. You just can’t acknowledge that which you do not like because you are childish and undeveloped.
This is really sobering analysis. The Labour Party needs to connect better with its activists & communities and stop listening to its minders and press handlers. For Hartlepool a local programme for regeneration and renewal linked to a solid national policy platform - better pay, services and end to poverty.
The Labour Party need to connect with its voters, not party zealots. It has lost the northern and Scottish red wall, and its answer is to blame the electorate.
Are we doomed to indefinite Tory rule? No. When the public is finally given a decent alternative they'll vote for it. Might be another 10 years or so but it'll happen. Do I like this government - hell no! I also don't like the notion that the only alternative is Labour, or at least this current version of Labour. Nothing personal against Keir but he needs to expel the stench of the Corbynistas from his back benches (I'm willing to bet he's trying). Anyway - as I type all eyes on Hartlepool.
Re: the guy talking about NIP being a meme that's gone too far - if the position of a Party is so weak that it can't win votes against a "meme that's gone too far", I'd suggest that you're on shaky ground. PS. Great documentary.
Also that kind of arrogance is a reason people are continuing to turn away from Labour. Obvs the main issue is no clear vision, which i so prevalent when you hear Labour politicians speak at the moment. Why would anyone who see's themselves as typically centre or right vote for Labour, the only electoral strategy to win back the working class vote in the North is to re-brand using left wing ideals.
I have been a labour voter all my life my dad was a Labour councillor for most of my childhood I was indoctrinated into the Labour Party I am a working-class Lad I didn’t leave the Labour Party the Labour Party left me far to woke and when Starmer took the knee to the BLM I decided enough was enough I will never vote labour again..!!
@@tomcornford8259 why would you take the knee for a life long criminal and drug Addict that doesn’t even live in our country,I would only take the knee for the Queen ,because I’m left-leaning doesn’t mean I can’t be patriotic I would never take the knee for Marxist organisation like BLM.
Fantastic video essay, so in touch with the range of opinions and not looking for that gotcha moment on anyone that much of traditional broadcast media pushes for. Paul Williams looking massively out of his depth. How long will Starmer last, or will he insist on a crushing GE defeat?
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How do you think it will go Owen? Very interesting, potentially very important moment, do you think Kier has to go if he loses?
@@emersonsimmo90 He has to go anyway but yes.
@@dylanlarge11 I tend to agree, personally I am generally a conservative voter, but nevertheless I still expect a strong opposition to push the already questionable conservative government, and I don’t think he has got it in him.
@@emersonsimmo90 Well each to their own but they are the reason we have children starving, 'let the bodies pile high' is apparently acceptable during these times etc. Corbyn was the one to provide real opposition because well he was the total opposite of the tories but now it may aswell be the same party.
But the majority of media is Liberal/Centre left? 🤣
"They're memeing votes away from us!"
Mate, if your appeal to voters is so fragile it can be memed away, the problem is not the memers.
Spot on
@Felim Mac Amhalghaidh Spot on mate! 👍
I'm sorry but that Labour candidate came across as so jittery and flustered. No wonder their Press Officer refused the interview.
@Michael Moz So maybe he wasn't the right person to parachute in, overriding the CLP's chosen candidate?
Imagine voting Tory because you are upset at the results of austerity. The absolute horror.
You vote Tory because despite austerity...they respect democracy. Labour electing Keir was a high mistake.
@@michaelchapman-johns1935 Forgive me, Michael, but you really really sound like a particularly asinine Bot with a strong aroma of Troll wafting around your comments. If you are either a Bot or a Troll, my opinion of your pathetic stab at trying to sit at the Big Boys' table has failed dismally.
So I sincerely hope that you are a Botty Bot Bot/Troll, because the alternative is too tragic to contemplate.
@@norawright807 ad hominem attack and you accuse him of being a troll.... project much?
Like all those ‘bots’ and ‘trolls’ that voted in Hartlepool?
Williams was awful in this interview. Absolutely no idea of what he or labour actually stand for at the moment.
Mandy apparently.
Neither does anyone else... to be fair
@@ActionFitz79 I don't agree. the northern independence socialist candidate was kilometers above the rest.
Can see why Labour didn't want the candidate to do any interviews
When he lost he stormed off and wouldn't comment.
He seemed to be very unconfident for sure.
I know it’s only Tuesday but this is the best coverage on Hartlepool I’ve seen all week.
I don't know how Owen can say that Conservatives investing money is "bribery" for votes, but Labour doing this is somehow not bribery.
Labour doesn't just do it right before election time, that's how.
@@EyebrowsGaming This by election was only announced a couple of months ago. All of this is "right before"
This is mostly a very accurate documentary - I live in the North East and as a former member of the Labour Party, would love to vote for Thelma Walker rather than 'Saudi Paul'. Luckily I don't live in Hartlepool and only need to vote for my brilliant Labour councillor this Thursday. But Owen, please - NOT ALL OLDIES ARE TORIES. I'm on the dismal state pension, rent a small flat and get more left-wing as I get older!!!!!
Owen is aware of this, just that there is undeniably a massive age gap in politics now.
To some extent I think the age is a red herring. Older people are more likely to be property owners, it’s this ownership of your own home that seems to be driving a shift in values that the Tories can exploit. We live in a time where the route to wealth is less about the work you do but the assets you hold
Also brexit
Proudfoot didn’t sound like he was joking on Novara Media. He was pretty lucid in his political analysis of Labour centrism.
Great news then because Corbyns brew of socialism clearly wasn’t to the taste of the electorate.....worst disaster since 1935.
@@californiadreamin8423 Worked well in 2017. Brexit broke Corbyns labour.
@@kratos.8151 Labour broke Corbyn's Labour.
@@kratos.8151 Did I miss something ? Have we had a Labour Government since 2017 ? There are only winners and losers in this game and Corbyn simply wasn’t smart enough, hungry enough , to win.
Oh Brexit broke Corbyn.....Corbyn broke Corbyn through indecision.....and the country smelt it.
@@californiadreamin8423 I love how proud centrists are of their total disinterest in actually learning anything from elections. Straight up publicly admitting that there's nothing to learn from the only election in which Labour *increased* its vote share in 20 years.
So scared of mild socdem policy that you plug your ears and scream "cOrByN bAd" until it hopefully becomes true.
You love to see it
Labour picked a pro Remain career MP, we voted him out of Stockton South because he did nothing for the area and did whatever the labour whip told him to do, don't you think Hartlepool folk will wonder why their neighbours didn't want him 🤔
Paul Williams may be an honest guy but he came across as hesitant and lacking in self belief. Anyone with a shred of self awareness would avoid Mandelson like the plague. Thelma was quite nice and the Reform candidate wasn't a ghoul. I predicted a Tory win after a tossup and it may end up being an easy one. Starmer should bear the brunt of this .
Talking about sleaze, but Hartlepool voted for Mandelson, who epitomized sleaze
You got your answer today, Owen - it's a yes. They have lost Hartlepool.
Labour and all similiar parties are also so full of it these days. They say nothing and they stand for even less.
It got Trump and Boris into power!!!
Labour... promoting terrorism and divisive policies since 1996
Thelma Walker puts it best. We’re not against Labour, we’re for democratic socialism because that’s what this country needs
What exactly did Labour do for Hartlepool in the 47 years they had a Labour MP and the 18 years there was a Labour government ?
More informative than any 'traditional' news broadcast. Thanks.
There is something very strange about seeing Owen Jones come out of the Thornaby Station I know so well.
Thelma Walker seems relaxed, whereas the labour candidate is really on edge
Thelma Walker was actually a Labour 2017 MP, but left the party when Starmer became leader. She was meant to be listed as Northern Independence Party here in Hartlepool, but will only be down as independent.
I guess Paul was brickin it that Owen were going to bring up the House of Saud!
Thelma has nothing to lose.
@@567secret I'm fairly sure she'll be on the ballot paper as Northern Independence Party as she's their candidate. I know there was some confusion caused by Labour attempts to cast doubt on NIP's registration but she's been campaigning and is standing as a NIP candidate in their first parliamentary seat election.
@@567secret I belive she left b/c she was suspended (like so many others) for some spurious reason that NEC wouldn't reveal.
Thelma really just makes you feel like you're having cup of tea with your nan! She is such a special and relatable politician
I bloody love thelma she's just a normal and lovely person who you just want to sit and have a brew with!
Granny Grunt is symptomatic of all that is wrong with the left, socialism is dead and we have to embrace social democracy as we did under Blair, thriving market economy with a decent safety-net and modest but not too massive welfare.
Voted Labour at every general election since 1983 (first time I was entitled to vote in ge ) but won't under Starmer
Way to go, Big Boy. (Neil Connolly).
Because the alternative is so appealing, am I right or am I right?
It's just great to see Johnson and his cabal of wreckers whose only goal is to turn old Blighty into a tax haven for billionaires who bankrolled Brexit.
Almost forgot to mention the blatant thieving that is draining the Exchequer dry, multi million pound contracts handed over to Tory party donors, friends and family who have never ever produced the PPE procurement, or the 37 billion pounds wasted on a Track and Trace system that disappeared into thin air. No accountability, no shame.
But by all means, do not sully yourself by voting for the Labour party under Keir Starmer.
Perish the thought.
You absolute jackass.
@@norawright807 I would have voted Green sooner he goes the better
A thorough examination. Vote for the Northern Independence Party. The Labour Party stands for corporatism. Jeremy Corbyn had fantastic socialist policies and that is why he succeeded in Hartlepool. Starmer voting Remain caused Labour to falter in 2019 but Corbyn still held it. Labour under Starmer is finished. It stands for superficiality.
It's sort of sad when people don't recognise that councils, whoever they are run by get their money from central government, so I don't think it's fair to blame Labour constituencies for lack of investment when it's the Tories who fail to offer enough of it. That said, Starmer is a wet towel as opposition.
Sadly, the voters seem too daft to realise that austerity and starving the town of funds (both Tory Westminster policies) aren't done by the local Labour representative(s). I guess they will get the politicians they deserve.
After seeing the labour party candidate here, I'm not surprised the locals decided to boot him.
This was great. Thank you to you and your team for putting together such a comprehensive report.
Oh hi Tom
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So let me get this right, Tories spending money in impoverished regions where they have representation is buying votes but Labour spending money in impoverished regions, where they have representation, are investing in the future?
And as Labour is no longer the party of the indigenous working class instead represents immigrants and BAME people and intersectionalists, it will likely lose this seat.
Quite a worrying and anti democratic stance from the labour campaigner to say that a vote for anyone but labour or the conservatives is irrelevant and that other parties don’t matter! Maybe if labour were offering better policies, more people wouldn’t be moving to the likes of the northern Independence Party or the Green Party.
Just watched the interview regarding Paul Williams vision for Hartlepool..he didn't have one.
You have to be from Hartlepool to understand Hartlepool. The reason labour is projected to lose this town is not because of the competence of the conservative party, but because of the failings of the labour party for almost 50 years. Make no mistake that this town does have money but that money is completely mismanaged. Not to mention they've got yet another career politician standing in for MP, doctor or not, it shows how out of touch the labour party is with this town.
The irony of the Akers-belchers talking is absolutely colossal since they've looked after their own pockets and ran the council by overwhelming people with their self entitled attitude.
Labours advisers need chucking out and new ones in. Labour is a disaster.
You could say the same about Salford, yet Labour will win easily again. I’ve lived there for over 20 years, Labour have run Salford for over 50. Away from the few “glamour” areas, things are not pretty. And yet the electors of Salford seem conditioned to keep voting Labour into power.
I think the Tories are still seen locally as toffs, they always win the 3 wealthiest wards in every election, and Labour always win at least 15 of the other 17. LibDems used to be a growing threat to Labour but that ended when they went into the Coalition in 2010
@@rachel.mcgowan it's a sad reality, looks as though the people of Hartlepool have woke up now and smelt the coffee
Labour killed Labour in the North East , Anna Turley apologised to me about Jeremy Corbyn as leader, I said he was great, she lost Redcar. Maybe a Conservative MP in Hartlepool is for the best, when the Right wing of Labour cannot abide the Left.
The harshest of truths. Labour is in the descendent, grim and painful
That's like blaming an unconscious patient for dying when someone turns their oxygen off. The local authorities are being starved of funding by the Tories.
The “Labour” party is dying.
A choice between the sleazy tories and the return of the sleazy wing of the Labour Party. Labour have always taken my vote for granted in my area.
Labour take Hartlepool for granted. We need to become a marginal seat so both parties will fight for it and invest in the town! Look at Darlington...soon to be High speed rail link and relocation of the treasury. The industrial heartland is long gone, the shipyards and the pits are a distant memory! It's time for change!!
Enlightening as it is depressing. But as someone from the North it feels to me that local Labour-held councils are going to struggle massively. Central Govt, which has been Tory for over a decade, has held the purse strings but its long standing Labour councils who are blamed for local decline. I don’t know how Labour address this.
Fight, don't just sit back and lazily cave to Tory demands, they're not obligatory.
Great summary in the description Owen. Pretty much hit the nail on the head, the tories have an effective an obvious strategy (to target homeowners) whearas Labour doesn't.
The political system favours the tories and I don't really know the answer tbh
Need to somehow get into power and change the electoral system to an STV-type system. Would be the fairest in terms of representation, and you couldn't really argue it's a selfish move because the Tories could still win under it.
@@jamesgunn7 'somehow get I to power' I'm more inclined to believe Marx to be honest and suggest that revolution is impossible. We are seeing an increase in civil unrest a cross the world as capitalism undergoes harsher and harsher crises. I'm not saying it's gonna happen soon just that it will happen eventually
Well look at what youre saying, you're accepting that the tories speak to the concerns of those voters, the homeowners. Then you're saying that Labour doesn't. Is your conclusion really that it's the system that's at fault?
@@dm0065 Labour shouldn't be a party for homeowners, because homeowners interests are not those of the majority. Labour was founded and should be a party of the working class since that does reflect the views of the majority.
Ita the systems fault that the views of the majority are not reflected in government.
@@dm0065 basically yes you are right. The system priveliged the views of the minority of homeowners over the majority.
Great document, well done to all the team, these programmes are getting better and better,
Its amazing how Boris is seen as being for the people, when he shows such disdain for us and seems hellbent on filling his pockets and welcoming Russian Oligarchs. A bit of flag waving fixes any lies.
@@robtall5537 is it medication time
I am from Hartlepool and unfortunately this video just sums up the situation. Labour at the moment are just clueless they chose the worst possible candidate to stand. Unfortunately though people are in the mindset that it has to be either Labour or conservatives so the majority look to be voting conservatives either though in the 11 years they been in government they have took police officers away party closed the police station meaning anyone arrested has to go though to Middlesbrough leaving even less police in the town closed the court meaning again people have to go though to Middlesbrough seen poverty rise in the town that they is about 9 different foodbanks here now and now a baby bank as well yet people here are just going to vote conservative it seems. That is despite some decent candidates standing as independent and other parties. It just worries me the way this country is going.
The Labour parliamentary candidate was unable to explain what Labour's vision is for the UK or for Hartlepool. 'Nuff said...
Owen, please. Corbyn's personal ratings were in extreme negative territory in 2019, which is why Labour lost. However great you or others might think Corbyn was, the majority of British voters didn't agree. Stop trying to gaslight everyone into believing that wasn't the case. It's getting ridiculous now.
Big fan of yours Owen, came to your speech in Broxtowe in 2019. Outstanding. Keep doing what you are doing. Much love and support to you my friend.
18:33 Just brilliant. As someone living in a town in the north of England, but looking to work in an industry dominated by London, this rings so true. There's so much to offer in towns like mine if people recognise their potential
Who’s laughing now Jones, thx for helping the Tories with your patronising wokeness.
Abandoning the working class in favour of middle class London identity politics is what's killed labour yet you still blame the press and anyone else but yourselves until you realise this your doomed for more failure
20:50 Owen jones referring to the Tories as "hard right" , now whose meming? 😂
Love this style of video! Would be great to see more of these in the future :)
It's really disappointing hearing they fear lack of investment if they don't vote for the government party, it just makes me think of what Corbyn's Labour could've done for the impoverished areas across the country, as he, and those of us on the left, actually cared.
Paul Williams looks out of his depth
Labour's collapse in places like the Red Wall feels really similar to their collapse in Scotland. Remote, aloof, and arrogant. It feels too late.
The people of Hartlepool didn’t reject the labour candidate, they rejected the Labour Party.
Owen! I was desperately hoping for an Anywhere But Westminster episode in Hartlepool and you've essentially delivered! Fantastic! Thank you very much. So interesting to hear people on the ground.
Very poor candidate Labour have put forward here. No charisma at all.
Labour is dying which is awful for us that what to end tory rule but it can't be denied that Labour is killing itself, it's so depressing i what hope but i can't live on false hope.
Are people aware ALL county and local councils receive their funding from central government and the tories have consistently reduced funding to local and county councils that are Labour run?
tories will never support Labour council leaders, despite the councils that have “declared bankruptcy” have been tory councils!
The answer is Yes 😆 🧎🏻♂️🧎♀️ GO WOKE GO BROKE
It’s people like Owen Jones why people don’t vote Labour!!!!
Well that didn't age well
16 point swing to the Tories .... but I'm sure it'll be because Starmer isn't radical enough.... or apathy of the voters, not a reflection on the Labour Party :)
all these people saying "that didn't age well" have clearly not watched this video
No wonder Williams got destroyed in Hartlepool. A bad orator with no vision and no charisma.
Starmer is a moment not a movement
Was Corbyn a movement? Clearly that failed...
@@TheDonMan97 corbyn's irrelevant starmer has got nobody to blame but himself because he has no plan and no spine. if only he had a policy anything
Awww love Auntie Thelma. Big ‘Put the kettle on love’ energy 💕
The reasons you lost.
1. Kneeling for a criminal
2. Pandering to those who think you can change gender.
3. Disrespecting law and order.
4. Labour mps being hateful on social media
Number 2 is transgenderist. Also, Tories are much more hateful on social media than Labour
Incredibly proud to support thelma and NIP, we need real democratic socialism brought about by passionate ordinary northerners with an extraordinary love for the people
Labour can only answer in buzzwords, it's embarrassing
Labour in hartlepool, did not listen to the majority Brexit vote....so, bye bye labour.
That bloke at 14 mins hits the nail on the head. The strategy of Labour for too long is percieved as keep 'em needy, keep 'em complaining, keep 'em voting Labour. And they've simply lost patience with that. And as for the idea that investment is bribery, criticising an opponent for doing what one has been saying should have happened for years just sounds hollow and hypocritical and the electorate there are more than savvy enough to know this.
Don't people know that we had 10 years of cuts and cuts omg 😱
People don't seem to understand that a large chunk of council budgets come from central government. If the budgets have been cut, which they have over the last 11 years, then naturally the services in those constituencies will decline
Doesn't help that for the first half of the decade Labour were too scared of our own shadow to emphatically come out against austerity and actually talk about the cuts.
@@jamesgunn7 Really more of this pifling "the electorate are stupid" nonsense?. The people of Teesside are friendly however they don't tolerate the arrogant southern snobbery you just espoused sir !.
It's well known across Teesside that Labour councils have been wasteful with taxpayers money on stupid vanity projects while taking backhanders from property developers to build more houses in areas that already can't cope with the existing traffic.
But by all means keep spouting your arrogant southern nonsense cowering behind the safety of your keyboard.
@@jameslrbrand2002uk "which is why I'm voting Tory, the very definition of fiscal responsibility"
Spot on Jonesy this leadership couldn't win a coin toss
Great job Owen and team. Head and shoulders above anything we’ll see on telly.
The reason why Labour did better in the 2017 Election was that they said they would honour the result of the referendum of 2016 and stop the free movement of people , once they changed on that, it was over , labour still lost in 2017 by 56 to the Conservatives, but somehow seen as some sort of Victory by the left.
I've heard it reported that voters in Hartlepool intend to vote for '.change' and so will vote Tory . Given we've had the Tories in power at Westminster since 2010 and they have a Tory backed coalition Council that logic escapes me completely.
I from Hartlepool and it baffles me as well
My big frustration is that those who are running the Labour party at the moment and some people in the media said that Corbyn was the biggest problem. That replacing him would bring the voters back for Labour, yet hes been replaced and judging by the expected results tomorrow, thats not been the case. Yet nobody in the media at the moment will mention it. Starmers whole "bit" was being able to unify the party and bring the voters back, his strategy isnt achieving this but he gets a free pass.
What does labour stand for in Hartlepool "waffle waffle waffle" ...... Conservative win lol
I spoke to a former Labour man. He said the party is not fighting for working people as much as it is fighting for non-workers.
So from this, Labour needs to connect with workers again.
I hope Labour do lose as Starmer is a disgrace and the candidate they chose is deliberate slight to the traditional labour vote in Hartlepool who voted for Brexit. The only downside is the Tory Party will have wall to wall coverage of their election victory on Thursday
Posts and short sighted attitudes like yours are simply music to Tory ears!!! Doesn't that bother you at all?! Or maybe you just don't understand the logistics and limitations of the voting system within the FPTP system? Maybe you rather like the idea of an indefinite corrupt and greedy state hating Tory government, because that's what will happen if people don't get their heads out the sand!
@@carolinemast8748 Wow, the arrogance of you.
I think your last point about Labour having to appeal to two diverging core bases was really pognient. I feel increasingly despondant as I wonder if the differences between these groups are reconcilable. In any other electoral system than FPTP it would result in a split and possible coalition; but our broken electoral system means these broad alliances are all that's possible.
With the aliances of today seemingly formed over social values I honestly can't see a way for Labour to win.
It's a class divide as well working class base Vs middle class activists.
The name that must never be spoken won this seat.
Now the plp said other leader would be 20 points ahead
Time to see
Highlights why Scotland will now walk, wtf has happened to Angerland?
England will always do what is best for the UK. Scotland will always do what is best for Scotland.
@@neuralwarp By voting Tory?
@@neuralwarp Like what they did for Northern Ireland 😄
Of all the candidates Paul Williams is by far the least convincing.
Labour will get a whack in a few hours here in Middlesbrough, as we vote for Ben the Tees Valley Mayor.
Well Labour certainly deserve to be crushed, vote Tory :D
This is an excellent documentary, even if its conclusion (though correct) is depressing for us on the left. The fact that working-class voters now see little distinction between Labour and the Tories, alongside the Labour candidate's inability to state Labour's vision, is bleak.
I've lived here all my fifty years in the poorest ward in Hartlepool. I'm qualified to post grad level with a degree in law. I've been involved in the community, activism, charities & politics for 30 years. I was the local applicant they claimed didn't exist when they choose someone from elsewhere. I am admittedly disabled having broken my back & neck with the army in 1992 that has only really given me more time to study issues. I should have at least been allowed to offer myself as a candidate. Ignored by my CLP, also of course ignored by Owen despite repeated attempts. Owen has preferred Right Wing voices either quasi Tories or Blairites.
I'm just tired of being excluded and of all disabled people being abused. I suppose I should be fortunate not to be among the ATOS dead and know my place, but exclusion only makes me angrier.
So yeah, Labour lost, heavily.
Well put together, balanced and reasonable presentation, therefore entirely out of step with what we’re constantly fed by a predominantly right wing press. The idea that this Tory administration would ever give a single damn for ordinary people is a well crafted lie spooned out in quantity. Sadly, it’s effective.
Oh dear. More wilderness years for you.
Is that all you’ve got? We’ve voted against our own interests? That mouldy old chestnut!
People are voting Conservative in ever increasing numbers because it is in their own interests. You just can’t acknowledge that which you do not like because you are childish and undeveloped.
The activist angry about NIP should be the Labour candidate and Paul Williams should get back to hospital
Keir Starmer did for Labour when he took the knee
The Labour candidate in Hartlepool is terrible doesn't talk like a genuine person. Sad sounds like everything Hartlepool doesn't want.
This is really sobering analysis. The Labour Party needs to connect better with its activists & communities and stop listening to its minders and press handlers. For Hartlepool a local programme for regeneration and renewal linked to a solid national policy platform - better pay, services and end to poverty.
The Labour Party need to connect with its voters, not party zealots. It has lost the northern and Scottish red wall, and its answer is to blame the electorate.
Are we doomed to indefinite Tory rule? No. When the public is finally given a decent alternative they'll vote for it. Might be another 10 years or so but it'll happen. Do I like this government - hell no! I also don't like the notion that the only alternative is Labour, or at least this current version of Labour. Nothing personal against Keir but he needs to expel the stench of the Corbynistas from his back benches (I'm willing to bet he's trying). Anyway - as I type all eyes on Hartlepool.
Re: the guy talking about NIP being a meme that's gone too far - if the position of a Party is so weak that it can't win votes against a "meme that's gone too far", I'd suggest that you're on shaky ground. PS. Great documentary.
Also that kind of arrogance is a reason people are continuing to turn away from Labour. Obvs the main issue is no clear vision, which i so prevalent when you hear Labour politicians speak at the moment. Why would anyone who see's themselves as typically centre or right vote for Labour, the only electoral strategy to win back the working class vote in the North is to re-brand using left wing ideals.
I have been a labour voter all my life my dad was a Labour councillor for most of my childhood I was indoctrinated into the Labour Party I am a working-class Lad I didn’t leave the Labour Party the Labour Party left me far to woke and when Starmer took the knee to the BLM I decided enough was enough I will never vote labour again..!!
Just out of interest, what about taking the knee offends you and how do you think it is out of line with traditional Labour values?
@@tomcornford8259 why would you take the knee for a life long criminal and drug Addict that doesn’t even live in our country,I would only take the knee for the Queen ,because I’m left-leaning doesn’t mean I can’t be patriotic I would never take the knee for Marxist organisation like BLM.
@@vaughangreen9816 you have decent working class values let’s hope Labour learn from this
Will never go back to Labour. Safe Tory seat from now on
Not sure who looks more out of place the labour candidate or little owen
Fantastic video essay, so in touch with the range of opinions and not looking for that gotcha moment on anyone that much of traditional broadcast media pushes for. Paul Williams looking massively out of his depth. How long will Starmer last, or will he insist on a crushing GE defeat?
Your channel is smashing it Owen.
Great documentary that Owen! Cheers
The video making is getting better and better - well done to you and the team