A couple of people in the comments have informed me that many Romani people consider the term g*psy (which I use toward the beginning of this video) a slur. This wasn't something I was aware of. So, obviously, sincere apologies to anyone who this might have offended. And, thank you to those who (all very gently) let me know that this is the case.
@@Tom_Nicholas Romani are a european nation. ironically are the most similar to original nomad indoeuropean peoples in 3000 BC. by the way irish Travellers (nomads too but with evident celtic heritage are called "gypsies"
These studies were done at the end of WWII, they should be repeated today, I really believe the results would be different in certain areas, especially when it comes to conservatism.
Yes, and it's really hard to stop. Specially if someone else keeps telling you that you are superior and others are lesser. And if even the state says it, and all the posters say it, and the flags and the crowds say it... It must be true. Even on a small scale, say you are slighted at the food market, by... A woman, a black man or... Pretty much anyone with different features than yourself, and sometimes not even that. And in the moment you think this person to be your lesser, because "what would a WOMAN know.." or "Of course a BLACK man would..." These small tiny biases that you might not even think about exists in others too, and when these biases get together in an echo-chamber, it leads to death, be that by fascism or socialism.
@Dr. Plop the plop doctor your philosophy ignores the entire branch of metaphysics, one of the most important factors to consider when discussing social issues.
@Dr. Plop the plop doctor Race is not something you can will away by merely referring to people as "JuSt HuMaNs". Why do Africans excel at professional football and basketball like no other demographic? Why do Asians seemingly dominate the American education system(to the point where they're penalized in US college admissions for being overrepresented)? Genetics are not going to disappear just because you don't like them.
@Dr. Plop the plop doctor As I said, you're denying a biological reality on the basis that it doesn't suit the way you'd like for things to be. Your only rebuttal is "nah I disagree" and then you misrepresent my argument as talking about culture instead of biology. And where did my comment say that I hate anyone? All I said is that race is an immutable characteristic (which it is).
@@sabhishek9289 The video is super interesting thank you for linking it especially the part about Fascist Italy. However this guy has a very obvious hate boner for Socialism astricken relevant
‘But are there not many fascists in your country?' 'There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the time comes.'” Ernest Hemingway, For Whom the Bell Tolls
@@Tom_Nicholas As an American, I can relate to your video! The difference between fascist of yesteryear found in Europe and the fascists in my country is that today they wrap themselves with the American flag and insist their ethnocentric and bigoted views are god-given, but its born from a presumption of this puritan view of what must be. It's a mentality like you stated. They usually begin their argument of why we must accept authoritarian rule through a lens of apocalyptic conclusions and work backwards from their conclusion to find evidence to their statements. There is a belief that God ordained them to be infallible and their ignorance is a virtue. The idea for example of wearing a mask to protect oneself and their community from Covid-19 is a matter of freedom, but also as a way to own the leftists. The idea that those that die are deserving of it, because they're weak. Also it's a twisted inflated ego with a irrational confidence of their own ability to judge the world around them.... As you said it's their personality and how they arrived to these views, but you also should factor more about peer pressure within a community which breeds this mentality, and the family that devalues and often despises critical thinking. Within their bubble of conventional thinking there is a explicit hatred of those who are deemed sexual deviants i.e homosexuals and transsexuals. You briefly mention it, but I think that's a bigger factor. The people I know who have the most fascistic views are often severely sexually repressed and find masturbation and any sexual gratification outside the purpose of procreation as disgusting. This causes severe aggression to any perceived out group that has a means to express themselves in such manner. Pornhub did a study of the most conservative areas in the USA and found that those areas often had the highest views of "deviant pornography." In your video it should be the first and one of the biggest factors in rural America's fascistic views. I know it sounds weird, but if you talk to conservatives stateside the more they focus on 'manhood' and the role of the woman the more likely they are to express fascistic views. You should listen to Donald Trump's supporters on why he's great and why minorities need extermination. It's insane how psychologically damaged many are and how they see the world in absolutist terms. This commitment to contrarian views is seen as illogical by outside groups, but in the right wing circles it's necessary to hold contradictory views like - 2nd Amendment gives us the right to own guns to stop a potentially repressive government, but a repressive government that exterminates the right kinds of people is needed and justified. As a Latino in the USA, I often find their illogical arguments amusing, but don't be surprised should America become an outright fascist state within the near future.
@Azazel Acheron "Corporation" means something totally different under fascism. It's basically an economic guild that serves the state. "Private property" is only allowed to the extent that it serves the nation and promotes its values.
I second this! I'm neurodivergent and tend to have difficulty maintaining focus on what is being said over what I'm seeing or thinking in relation to the topic. Having clear and coherent captions helps me to capture and process so much more of what is being said!
i like how you didnt just cite your source, you explained their theoretical basis AND their methodology. your videos are always so thorough and informative, thanks tom!
@Hasan Piker there's a simple solution here, conservatives should act in good faith and learn to spot dog whistles, because if they were actually against fascism, it would really help them to understand what fascist dog whistles are, what they look like/sound like, and what makes a dog whistle work in the way it does. It would help deal with the pesky issue of cryptofascism. Because whether or not you're gonna try to tie fascism to left wing dialogue, you should at the very least understand the tool. But I think it's probably easier for you to just claim the dog whistles aren't there, instead of seeing the 14/88s, the ((()))'s, blood and soils, etc.
@Hasan Piker because the point of the cryptofascists is to read the dog whistles and actively choice to pretend they don't exist, it doesn't exactly help fascists politically if they started giving away their secrets on what a dog whistle is, which makes the contradiction of your beliefs more apparent
@Hasan Piker you've ever seen dog pointing at dog whistle? No, dogs just hear them like every other sound and follow it. They can't see any difference in nature between this and any other sound around it. Just like conservatives can't see difference between news and things Tucker Carlson says on air.
„Ideologies are like arseholes: everyone's got one, we use it every day, but you very rarely look at your own unless something's gone wrong.“ - Abigail Thorn _Jordan Peterson's Ideology_ | Philosophy Tube th-cam.com/video/m81q-ZkfBm0/w-d-xo.html, 09.04.2021
@@pokemastermlg7435 Fascists use dogwhistles to hold discussion and spread their rhetoric in public spaces without detection. If they were speaking in private, they *could* forego the dogwhistle, but… dogwhistles also serve as shorthand for larger statements of belief, so they keep them, even there.
@@7LegSpiders fascism is inherently right wing. Your characterizations of the left are pretty silly too, I mean conceptually and on an individual basis. We’re talking about fascism: a very specific ideology. And you’re comparing it to the left: an umbrella term for a wide array of progressive ideologies. Nobody here said fascism is right wing by cherry-picking different groups on the right. They looked at what fascists specifically believe and went from there to determine where the ideology itself sits on the spectrum. You’re trying to revere engineer the logic to fit your narrative. 1. Conventionalism refers to adhering to traditional views. That is the opposite of what the left stands for. Conventionalism is not tribalism. 2. Sure, there are authoritarians on the left too, but to be considered fascist there has to be more proof than “some of them are authoritarian”. 3. Nobody is being jailed simply for having the “wrong” beliefs by leftists. The left isn’t using the state to punish anyone. Yes, sometimes people gather on social media and complain about offensive rhetoric. Sometimes people get fired from their jobs (which is a capitalist company worrying about their bottom line) 4. I’m not even sure what you’re getting at here. Sounds like you’re claiming that what you’re saying is objective, but it’s far from it. 5. I’m not sure how anti-white sentiments are inherent to any prominent leftist ideologies. Seems like you guys always have to point to a handful of crazies on Twitter to back up this claim. 6. I don’t want you to wear a mask as an exercise in domination. I want you to wear a mask so my grandma has less of a chance of getting sick at the grocery store. 7. Defund the police typically means stop putting all our resources in armed police officers that have to do the job of enforcing the law AND being a social worker, something they’re not trained to do. It’s about making communities safer, not destroying them. 8. People believe SOME conservatives want to destroy everything because they’re acting increasingly anti-democratic. They’re undermining the system in an attempt to maintain control. This isn’t up for debate at this point. The election fraud conspiracy in the U.S. was a lie spun by prominent conservative figures. 9. The point of this one is that fascists uphold traditional values. Having untraditional sex bad. Procreation or nothing. This is literally the opposite of what the left is doing for the lgbtq+ community. If you want to argue that some leftists are bad, that’s fine. But they aren’t fascists.
@@7LegSpiders But it's true that the cult of toughness, alpha males etc. speaks mainly to men, you can also see at those "pro-white" rallies etc. Many of those "straight parades" were also JUST men. There is far greater men to female ratio than for example, during a pride parade. I am not putting myself at a pedestal or anything, it's just an observation. Toxic masculinity, the comfort of "traditional values" that appeal more to men, are the causes for this I presume.
@@CausticSpace Ah, yes, because decentralized organizing and violence as a means of combating fascism is fascis... Pfffft, maybe try learning WTF fascism is
Fortunately, my parents were never successful in fully convincing me that any authority was immune from question for the only reason that it is in authority. I so love Timothy Snyder (and Eccho) for the expression of how unearned authority should be challenged. I have made my share of political adversaries that way.
It's almost as if their is a meaning behind reactionary. Are you people absolutely brain-dead? The far-right is literally a creation of an over-arching left-wing. The only reason the Nazis ever gained power was because the left wing in Wiemar had absolutely decimated their own nation. When the people no longer were willing to play along they started beating them. I'm not saying it was ok but just like an ass-whipping "reactions" don't fall from the sky.
@@maniswil2 I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about... When did the left-wing decimate their own population? When the right-wing Kaiserreich started WWI or when the right-wing Freikorps went around murdering people?
Well it's true Most of those cases have their origin from a trauma For example if a bald person attacked you then your mind will make you feel afraid of bald people as a defense mechanism, and it can easily evolve into hatred in a "it's either them or me" mindset 90% of cases isn't just because you were an asshole and wake up wanting to be one, it was just your mind driving you towards that path in order to not repeat that situation locked and grabbing dust in your memory
@@GarkKahn Cat's in sweden has no fear of cuccumbers, there are no deadly snakes here so the cat mother dosen't teach them to fear them. You can teach a child to fear and hate any group if you present them as a treath.
I definitely had an authoritarian personality only a few years ago. And after watching this video, I am aware I'm still not fully rid of that personality type.
@@KillBlueHelmets Yes. And that is good in this case. Are you going to respond with a comment that is essentially based on the "appeal to nature" naturalistic logical fallacy? If so, I'm looking forward to it.
This was quite an interesting video to watch/listen. I feel the most worrying trait I've observed of people is the willingness to blindly follow people, that group is easy to take advantage of :/
Even worse is that, the blindest followers are the ones who are unaware they are blindly following. They think their ideas are their own. They get viciously defensive if you point out they're expressing strong opinions that only materialized at the same time when it became advantageous to their political leaders for the public to believe that.
@Wemple’s Temple I wouldn't say mainly exploited by the right wing. They're exploited by all sorts of hucksters, big and small. The corporate uniparty, and little online cult leaders. Remember all the arson in 2020? Not Trump's posse.
@Wemple’s Temple people from all directions are exploiting them, even some who don't realise it. The problem lies in the inability to see things from an outside group's perspective and those considered an enemy of the group. Think about how these scientists got facist-leaning opinions in order to figure out what lead to that thinking. No matter how "bad" you think someone is, whether they lie on the other side of the political spectrum or are straight-up racist, looking at the world through their lens with an open mind will help you understand the reason for their beliefs, letting you challenge them directly, and maybe even give you insight that someone on your side would miss.
Thanks for the video! It was very informative... though I don't think most people would find it terribly surprising that the psychological profile of people-most-likely-to-be-fascists is "self-righteous racists who aren't great at using their critical thinking skills".
This is the kind of stuff that radicalizes people, instead of approaching something with any kind of dialogue to try and convince someone that they are wrong they have blind hatred tossed at them because of there beliefs. It doesn't matter if the beliefs are immoral or unethical all you are doing by insulting and belittling these people is proving every single bias they have against you right. All you're doing is perpetuating the ideology you hate by blatantly painting every person with the same brush and putting yourself on a pedestal as the ideal with zero proof given besides "you guys are all self righteous babies"
@@jyro6095 Eventually it leads to war with every faction not just sure of their own rightness, but suddenly possessing a righteous duty to eliminate every other kind. Hutu versus Tutsi. Serbs versus Croats. Can you tell them apart? Can THEY tell each other apart?
@@jyro6095 That's like saying "World War 2 wouldn't happen if everyone just sat Hitler down and had a talk with him to show him that his beliefs are wrong." Sure, it's preferrable to have an open dialogue first but fascists and racists are, for most part, utterly uninterested in having an honest conversation with those from the out-groups. Their only interest is to subjugate or exterminate those out-groups. If they do engage in a conversation they are never honest, engaging in sealioning and wasting the opposition's time by running in circles.
@@commodorjack8633 why would you think so ? As far as I see, most people have become deracinated from any thoughts of taking action, or at least any thought of political involvement. Lots of lazy consumers out there right now. So it would be pretty dishonest to generalize that only one ideological group has faults because of a personal bias.
Right wingers stick together and act as a group more effectively than other groups. If you say F Nazi's they'll get together to dislike, one great way to spot them.
@@igor-oh9eo Just going along with what you're saying. Who... Cares? Why'd you want to pick between bubonic plague and cholera when you can choose so many different variations of neither?
5:50 "A view of social relations that hold that life is permanent warfare between the powerful and powerless" (anxiously glances at all the business students reading The Art of War)
I'm so scared, a month ago I woke up in a fascist country (Russia). Families are falling apart because of their political views, conservative students report on their liberal teachers. I read that history repeats itself, but seeing it with my own eyes is terrifying. It could be foreshadowed, but I was always hoping for the best.
The clue to the problem is education - how the way of thinking of that or this particular human being has been established. Logic, analysis, self-reflection, question-based way of exploring life will help to preserve our society from f..ism phenomena in future for sure.
Lmao Russia being fascist is a massive joke, as it Russia would be fascist, just because you don't agree with United Russia (fyi its better than the opposition)
My guess is between 18and 25. I'm guessing this range n for two reasons. $1 The older I get the younger others look so to me he appears to be in his early teens in the 13 and 16 range so I added a few years. #2 He sounds like a college student so I would think probably in that age range although he appears much younger to me.
One of the most wild conclusions from this was in Martha Nussbaum's "Anger and Forgiveness". She argues that in Germany it makes sense to have laws prohibiting hate speech and racist rhetoric because Germany's history and culture that created these "authoritarian personalities." But that in the U.S. it would be an unfair overstepping of rights because the U.S. is not at threat of ever harbouring any successful racist or fascist political movements. And she indeed further stated that racism was impossible in the States as anything more than personal prejudice and the "bad actions" of some cops. 😑😮💨
@TACTICALwaffle2 you've missed a huge detail. Nussbaum argues hate speech is fairly prohibited in one country, and would be unfairly prohibited in another.
@@HeavenlyEchoVirus I haven’t missed any details because I’m only talking about America. Freedom of speech is a uniquely US thing, no other country truly has freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is actually freedom from the government prohibiting speech, so yes it would be unfair to prohibit speech in the US. It seems like you disagree with that though and would love to police what others say
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
@19:14 Anti-intraception, THANK YOU! I have been looking for that word for years! I always found it weird that some people had such an aggressive reaction to that kind of thing and now I have a word for it, sweet! :) Also, I think you hit the nail on the head at the end there. This, like many things in life, *_will absolutely_* require a much more nuanced conversation than we usually have. The problem is that fascists are, almost by design, incredibly adverse to having that conversation, or even allowing that conversation to be had at all.
Not sure where your other comment about religion went, but I wrote a response and will post it here haha. Well it depends on what you define as a religion I guess. Personally, I lump religion together with all other human illusions, that even atheist believe in, like free will. It gets worse though. Have you heard of solipsism? The idea is that none of us has a proof that anyone but ourselves is even conscious. Meaning that we all live our lives assuming without any evidence that we are not alone in this universe. So, if one of the fundamentals of our existence is based on a convenient assumption, who are we to judge the religious?
Very interesting. I would like to submit some modifications. Nr 3; authoritarian agression is not just directed towards violations of conventionalism and authoritarian submission. (That is trait 1 and 2 in this list.) Fascists have tended to show emotional and practical hostility to offenders against all their traits. So trait 4: anti-intraception can be understood as hostility towards insufficiently stereotypical thinkers, against insufficient strength, and against insufficient destructivity and cynisism. (That is traits 5, 6 and 7.) And really, my impression is that most of them have tended to get pretty upset about wrong sex too. However, both this modification and the original list might underestimate how important this negativity has been for actual fascists. The norwegian philosopher Harald Ofstad has proposed an understanding of fascism where disdain and hostility towards weakness is the central driving force. I think he makes a good argument - go check it out. Finally, I think trait 7, penchant for destructivity and cynisism, misses the mark slightly. I would prefer to state it as a strong attraction to violence and transgression. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe fascists and protofascists are just really angry at stuff, and this anger causes thoughts about violence. But I don’t think so, I think it’s more often the other way round. They want to talk and think about violence, and working yourself up into a rage creates a permission to do that. Just my thoughts. Apply them to modern politics as you like.
It makes sense for negativity not playing that big role in this particular assessment. After all it differentiates between actual fascists and those, who openly support them only when they are in power. Henceforth the lists of attributes is insufficient to describe actual fascists by design.
Its not really breaking down fascism, its pointing at morally questionable ideals and calling them fascist based on the demos of the person aspousing them. You people will never call a black supremacist a fascist, frankly you people don't know the difference between a fascist and an ultraliberal.
It's a left-wing invention used to attack as racists people that have neither said nor done anything racist. The people they use it on are exclusively people who are disliked by actual Nativists.
@@Nemophilist850 Actually it's a right-wing invention by Southern Dixiecrats in the 60s to signal pro-segregation politics without pissing off moderates. Things like "Urban community", "hood", "Chicago", even "baggy jeans" so that politicians can say "Blacks" without actually saying black people. It's meant to be vague so that moderates can sort of nod their head and go "that sounds reasonable", while the actual racists get to still be racist.
As someone who is two of those four things by most definitions, I concur. And then you have the denialists say shit like "well if you can hear the dogwhistles what does that make you" as if that means anything substantial whatsoever.
@@SamSphinxeople actually say that?😂 It makes us *observant*. I suppose I'm 2.5 of those things myself comrades (I'm more of an anarcho-syndicalist do half a red flag lol, but I'm not sure fascists make such distinctions)
Hey Tom, what a video mate! I haven't come across anything THIS comprehensive about the socio-psychological roots of Fascism. Seriously, the labour you put in research is clearly visible. I'm a relatively new subscriber but I want you to know that your videos are really very well-made. Take a bow, man! Love from India ❤️❤️
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@sabhishek9289 Na-zis weren't socialists in N-azi Germany teh government had big cooperation and control with corporations that's kind of a state capitalism tbh
@@__chinmay__ Corporatism is not capitalism. And the corporations in Nazi Germany were organs of the state. And Capitalism means non-state. So when you say "state capitalism", you are literally "state non-state" which is completely contradictory. It's like saying "cold heat" or "bright darkness".
He is wrong, though. The problem is that he is trying to educate people about fascism using cherrypicked capitalist sources that aren't addressing the defining feature of fascism: Anti-socialism. Probably, his research was: "I read Wikipedia and then perused the recommended sources." If you see an anti-socialist in a capitalist society that is failing, i.e. a person that is conservative in a capitalist society whose economy is undeniably going downhill, you are probably having a fascist at hand. Or something even more ridiculous (e.g. a monarchist). Imperial Japan is often lumped in with "fascism" even though they are more adequately described as imperials. They were monarchists. They just so happened to be part of the Nazi axis. Modern Japan is more aptly described as fascist. It's an ultra-capitalist society with deep hatred for socialism despite their capitalist system failing them for decades and leading to nothing but exploitation by the US empire. The political purpose of fascism is exactly one thing: Conserve the traditional status quo when it comes to power structures in society by militantly opposing socialism. Fascism isn't "difficult to define". That's just a propaganda narrative that the capitalist West has deliberately created to obfuscate what fascism is. The reason is obvious: The US is the quintessential fascist country. American fascism inspired German fascism and the Americans succeeded where the Nazis failed: Destroying the USSR and the socialist revolution in Europe. If people actually understood what fascism is and why the Nazis did what they did, they wouldn't support capitalism and they wouldn't support the United States or other fascist empires. For example: The Jews were targeted by the Nazis not because they were "Jewish" but because they were "spreading bolshevism". The Jews were hated by the Nazis due to them believing in the "Jewish world conspiracy" (i.e. the conspiracy theory that communism was invented by Jews to destroy everyone's identity and turn them into servants of the Jewish world state, thereby taking over the planet forcing all non-Jews to comply with Jewish dictatorship).
@@Nanook128 the thirst for clear understanding. ....admittedly the line between the types of thirsts blurs a lot th-cam.com/video/l5S1fftQe28/w-d-xo.html
The psychologists that published this book in 1950 must have performed the formal research during the mid to late 40's but, having lived through the rise of Hitler some of them would have been informed by personal experience going back to the 30's and maybe earlier. I mentally noted while watching the video how many of the factors present in pre-war Germany are present in present day USA -- I found myself ticking off many boxes of similarity, too many boxes, way too many boxes.
Now, how many of those factors were present in pre-war America? Especially in the immediate aftermath of the onset of the Great Depression, it was far, far, far more. However, America did not fall into Fascism then, just as it is not about to now. The state itself is an inherently authoritarian concept, of course, so in that sense its current neoliberal phase, that has lasted since the 70s at least, should strike parallels with any other authoritarian.
The Frankfurt School was not an unbiased group of scientists like you seem to think, it was a political group with political goals who matched their research to their argument not the argument to the research.
Psychologists and experts, always write a book about the subject after the event has taken place. Maybe it would be far more advantages to discuss amongst themselves and write the book, pre event and not twenty odd years after?
Just found your channel and probably for the first time I feel like I found a creator that reflects and expands my views exactly. Thank you for your interesting work!
there is a catch in the video, he never told, Adorno and the others created the School for the New Marxism, or also known as The Frankfurt School, they are communists, they laid out the basis for the woke movement. That is why this guy is just teaching you propaganda
@@kaidoust4145 as always have been. You better really study the differences between fascism and NS, and the origins deep rooted in Darwin´s theory of evolution. Do not take this video pamphlet seriously
@@kaidoust4145yep, if you actually read about fascism its a different type of government to national socialism. Fascism espouces conservatism but it isnt necessarily racial. Its meant to function as a "national rejuvination" ideology. It views the Nation, not the Race. You can see this reflected in Egelbert Dollfuss' Austria which was in alliance with the Jewish minority against the National Socialists in Austria.
Another interesting thing you sort of met at a tangent was the idea of the existence of different types of American conservative. This is something I am no expert in but have noticed in the past (I used to be pretty politically active). The basic idea is that there are two kinds of people who could theoretically both be labeled "conservative" in the united states but generally hold polar opposite views. The first is the more authoritarian conservative who is more likely to desire an authoritative leader, express strong religious views, and demand cultural conformity. The second is, from my perspective at least, a unique product of American history. The founding principles of the United States historically have been a separation of church and state, the assumption of human equality, limited government authority, etc. All very not facist ideas, but since these are generally consider the "old ways" of America anyone who firmly holds onto those principles in the United States is technically considered a conservative. This may be why the scales get a little funky when you look at conservatives. I'd be interested to see if that happens in Europe or other parts of the world.
The second ones are generally called liberals, because the actual name of this line of though is "Liberalism" americans just messed the concepts. Classic liberalism means capitalism, but with unlimited liberty, freedom of speech, etcetera. Classic liberals were predominantly businessmen, traders, industrialists, and were the first ones to condemn slavery and I consider myself one. The current meaning for the word "Liberal" in the US is a misconception.
@@joaocarlospartel8867 I miss the good old days when "liberal" actually meant something, until Obama came along and militarized the police. Nowadays liberals are just Karens calling the police over everything.
in South Texas a gunman was not stopped by police while 19 children and 2 teachers were executed . the police would not allow anyone to try to save the students their own children . thank you for this i am non conformist and anti-war activist , but know suffer from a slight case of Stockholm syndrome and no longer able to leave my apartment from too much torture . this is really helpful to remind me of my original values .
Judging from some of the statements offered in the questionnaire, I don't feel comforted that most people are "centrist" about Jews and other minority groups.
Fish hook theory is fun. That centrists will love fascists over moderate right wingers, because fascists promise a perfection of status quo and combatting against any social changes
@@cwac doesn’t need a name. Centrism by its very nature cannot be extreme, therefor fascism, an extreme ideology, can never truly be centrist. The fallacy is that the statement is a contradiction.
It’s kinda ironic a video on fascists has brought all the fascists out going “good I hope you die” or “good you are all degenerates” Like for a bunch of people they pull the “you call everyone you disagree with fascists” you sure are getting ultra defensive about fascists… Hmm if it quacks like a duck…
Seriously, what happened to this video within the algorithm? Why is there a sudden surge of fascism apologists in the comment section over the past few months?
You call everyone you disagree with a fascist!! They’re bad!!! But also if you make a video about why fascism is bad I will get offended and defensive as if it’s a personal attack…
Thanks! Just wrote in another comment that I was very much in two minds about it... Glad you liked it though, looking forward to hearing what everyone thinks!
@@Tom_Nicholas Everyone loves a little theater. Might say that the metaphor was sometimes a little strained, but the style is definitely something to keep.
Haha, my PhD (which I'm hoping to finish in the next week or so) is in theatre (and I've worked in theatre for most of my adult life, so I've got some chops to draw on. Not usually a fan of being the one doing the acting though so don't expect any full-on "characters" even if there is a skit or two every now and then (although I currently have zero ideas for what such a skit might look like in my next video so maybe not every time)...
It would be really interesting to make a follow up video going deeper into the points you talked about in the conclusion. I feel like learning what concrete things work to prevent radicalization and to de-radicalize, both as individuals and as a society is probably the most important political contribution we can make these days. I'm frankly scared that I don't know how to do that. Anyway, that's for the (again) amazing content!! Keep it up!! Edit: I meant "Thanks" 😅
Thanks for your thanks! I don’t how equipped I am to talk about what strategies might be most successful for deradicalisation. I find Innuendo Studios’ videos really interesting for thinking about that though. If the conclusion of this video is that engaging with the minutes of arguments is not always the most useful way forward, I think the strategies for engaging with far-right talking points forwarded in the Alt-Right Playbook series offer some that might be.
You can't "deradicalize" any significant part of any ideological movement without violence. To think so is blatantly egotistical. The concepts of fascism are mainly deeply rooted within one's personality. Same thing goes with communism. It actually has little to do with ideas. The only people who you'll ever convert to your side are the intellectually and self understanding weak people who only join movements to fit in. Those are not people who you want on your side.
And I don't know if this needs to be said but the cause of radicalization is obviously alienation. People who are on the hunt constantly for like minded friends and a place to fit in will find radical communities appealing. The real way to end this push to the extreme is to give kids a sense of community and belonging. It's simple enough on paper but a herculean task in practice
Both the most shocking and, in hindsight, the most obvious personality trait, was the obsession with other people's sex lives. It sounds absurd, but when you think about it, it's so true especially in those "alpha-male" podcasts and those bigoted family members always asking if you have a girlfriend and if she's hot when you're gay and just wanna be left alone😂
I think that's part of the reason why there is such a huge push against LGBT (especially the T) folks lately, because they focus so much on how "deviant" queer sex lives are, that they sexualize every interaction a gay person has. Which is why they get so angry when gay or trans people interact with children. They only see queer people as sexual deviants, so when they interact with children, they see it as inherently sexual and get outraged. It doesn't matter if it is the most benign interaction ever, they see gay = sex and get outraged.
Ugh, yes. It reminds me of the intensity of scrutiny of other people’s worth that Gen Z seems deeply invested in. It’s made me more determined to draw lines on what’s acceptable in a careful way because a lot of it is creating outgroups to intensively bully if they have multiple partners, and reviving the idea of self-pleasure being inherently unhealthy
Yep. Another obvious one is scouring people's past internet activity in order to find dirt on them. Like they'd find a single joke they made years ago that looks like a dog whistle for another ideology and immediately rule that person as just that. I've seen people outright stop watching youtubers out of fear they believe in something they don't. If that's not fascism, I don't know what is.
@dskarma-jt1nb Ha ha, I see what you're doing. Sorry, if you're "joking" about how me and my family shouldn't exist or shouldn't have human rights, i don't want to watch your content. But also, people not watching your content isn't fascism.
@dskarma-jt1nb that's a stupid thing to say. If I have the suspicion that a youtuber that I like watching might secretly (or not-so-secretly) think things that lead to the destruction of my community in many places, I will look for those kinds of things. If I find any, or find other remarks that lead to that conclusion, I will stop watching them. That's not fascism, it's self-preservation and not supporting what harms you.
Great video! I am Brazilian, and unfortunately I can see how much regular people are susceptible to authoritarianism and fascism. Individualism and lack of empathy are also important factors.
Yeah, I mentioned in another comment that I was really in two minds about how many connections to make to the present. In the end I decided on letting people draw some of those links themselves.
Coming from someone with a sibling whos just too dumb to see they're fascist (they say all the bs and dog whistles a Nazi says, even goes Jewish question whenever they don't understand how a study disputes their claims) They target vulnerable folk, like bi-polar people and survivors of abuse It's much easier to get unstable people to believe irrational things
Fascism is inherently anti-individualistic. Group identity is elevated above all else. In America, individualistic ideals are utilized by fascists. It’s sort of a bait and switch because the failings of marginalized people are blamed on individuals’ choices as opposed to their circumstances and then the patterns of individuals’ choices are used to essentialize negative traits to justify bigotry.
@@maxm7584 Blaming marginalised people for their own suffering is fairly ubiquitous across English speaking neo-liberal societies though. It's certainly something that happens a lot in the UK and is certainly exploited by the far-right over here as well.
@@Aconitum_napellus yeah for sure. That's happened all over the world throughout history, not just English speaking neo-liberal societies. I was just speaking on my own country because it's what I know first hand.
It seems to me that most people, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum, are more influenced by narrative and less by logic and reason.
I think you might be right, which would indicate to me that a good historical education which is rooted as much as possible in material analysis is very important in reducing one's vulnerability to propaganda.
most people adopt the "logic and reason" of the narrative they like best that is, you can be a logical as you can be, but if your axioms are garbage, logic won't help you be less garbage and lots of people that view themselves as "logical and reasonable" are MORE likely to have garbage axioms (see: nu-Atheism's dark turn circa 2011).
@@azertyQ People aren't even logical with their "garbage axioms". They're applied when it supports their narrative and ignored or "deconstructed" when it hurts their narrative.
It's my favourite t-shirt and I'm beginning to worry that it's featured a bit heavily in my videos recently to the point people might think it's the only top I own. Time to buy some more cool t-shirts I think!
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html .
As someone who likes to observe and sometimes engage in politics, when my sanity can handle it, this was a really interesting video. I think the presentation was great and the study sounds like quite the read. I'm sure it's not a perfect study but lets not forget that this is only a partial summary of the whole thing. I think this sort of research is fascinating and while it can be implemented poorly, I think we can look into the psychology behind these things without vilification of personality traits, people who posses them or/and how they come about. Understanding/knowledge is our biggest asset after all. I think the comments are quite phenomenal as well. Many interesting takes and additions to the video's contents.
Umberto Eco was my mum’s professor of Semiotics at University in the mid-80s in Bologna: she always tells me that he was extremely mean but he was actually a genius
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html ..
Fact: Including Musolini's mistress who was jewish, there were atleast 10,000 jews in the fascist party of Italy which accounts for about 1/3rd of the Jewish adult population in Italy. So why does everyone think that fascists are racists and hates jews? As George Orwell pointed out: "... Some fascist movements are not anti Semitic..." Orwell was correct and the original fascism wasn't anti-Semitic or racist at all. So what's going on here? To know that, watched the linked video: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@sabhishek9289 “the fascists were basically patriotic marxists.” That’s funny, because in the video you linked that does a “perfect job explaining fascism” includes a quote form OG fascist Mussolini clearly stating that dismantling the bourgeoisie was not a goal of the fascist. And really? The only difference is that fascists are nationalistic? There are not other differences? Let’s see about that… Fascism typically relies on a strict social hierarchy, something Marxists tend to disagree with. Fascists don’t believe in workers owning the means of production. Fascists are anti-communist. Fascists are typically socially conservative, Marxists are typically socially progressive. Fascism is inherently authoritarian, but the same is not always true for Marxists. The fascists aren’t just patriotic, they’re downright jingoistic. I mean… the list could go on. It’s funny. I did find someone who might agree with you while I was doing some fact checking: A. James Gregor. He’s a eugenicist who supports segregation if you aren’t familiar. There’s actually a long line of white supremacists who are trying to distance fascism from the far right by comparing it to Marxism. And you’re either proof that it’s working, or you’re one of them.
Very good summary. Surprising how you managed to avoid mentioning that the authoritarian character is essentially the compulsive neurotic character of psychoanalysis.
Tom, this is some amazing content! I just found it recently but have thoroughly enjoyed every video I've watched including this! Well researched, well edited, and well delivered video essays that are CITED are so nice
Gotta love how people say fascism is like improv theatre. It's a "Yes, and..." situation. Still this video really draws you in at 10:30. There are so many people who I know like this... and they all remind me of people in some other medical categories too. A.G.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@sabhishek9289 would you stop copy-pasting your comment everywhere?? repeating something doesn't makes your reasoning heard, only the literal words and it won't bring anything forward.
Your conclusion where you said we should try to build our society on solidarity and that we should not strive for power but for deconstructing it reminded me of a quote from a german punk band :"Keine Macht für niemand". Translating roughly to"no power for nobody".
What a terrible goal. It literally isn't possible, it's built on complete ignorance of human nature, and will inevitably result in unlimited suffering. Power is something that will always exist. You can either let yourself be helpless, or you can choose to become powerful, and protect others from those who would become powerful for the purpose of exploiting others.
Man, such a pleasure to find a video like this! It's like an audio book version on a research paper and I'm really into it! I enjoyed this a lot, more than many other video essays!
Fact: Including Musolini's mistress who was jewish, there were atleast 10,000 jews in the fascist party of Italy which accounts for about 1/3rd of the Jewish adult population in Italy. So why does everyone think that fascists are racists and hates jews? As George Orwell pointed out: "... Some fascist movements are not anti Semitic..." Orwell was correct and the original fascism wasn't anti-Semitic or racist at all. So what's going on here? To know that, watched the linked video: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@sabhishek9289 He's manipulative arsehole that makes videos saying "hurr nobody talks about this it's a conspiracy hurr I'm breaking new ground" when in actual fact he's using the most mainstream sources imaginable that a first year University student would read studying Fascism & Nat Socialism and he's just making quasi-to-outright libertarian propaganda. What you just said was also absolute nonsense in historical terms.
@@abhisheks295 While nobody anywhere in scholarship equates Mussolini's Italy with Hitler's Germany in terms of being as racist or anti-Semitic, TIK is as usual lying about the representations in all academia just to make himself look good even though nobody ever made the point he says we do like once at all every anywhere and again, if you rea all the books in his own source list that he knows you'll never read you'll see nobody ever claimed anything close to what he says, Mussolini did implement repressive legislation against Jews in 1938 including getting rid of Jews in media and government and banning marriage between Jews and non-Jews so there are echoes of the Eugenics/racial purity of Hitler's Germany even if it wasn't enforced as strictly. It is there, just nowhere near on par. Also one might consider the echoes of racism to be found in the Ethiopian campaign of conquest and plunder in 1935 as an example.
One of my favorite bits is telling people about a place that used to give loans to newlyweds to buy a house and start a family How they would knock 20-25% off the loan for each kid they had. Their eyes light up, "wow! Where was this magical place!?"
I think you're missing some context here. The reason for the pro-children policies of the Nazis was so they could use them to populate the Lebensraum they would be conquering in the East. I presume your friends weren't wanting children so they could settle in South America when the US government conquered it?
Sometimes I ask people if they like to pet dogs. If they say yes, I point out that Hitler also liked to pet dogs, and so I have tricked them into admitting that they are similar to Hitler. I am very smart.
@@japanpanda2179 Usually dead silence from the person I'm responding to, and then several months later someone comments on it and I have to try and remember what the heck I was commenting on in the first place. Discombobulating.
@Helperbot-2000 every religion, no? Because to have a stalwart belief of your own religion you have to, in a way, discount the validity of every other religion because _your religion_ is the right one and conversely, every other religion is the wrong one.
12:21 in this video is introspective to me personally as I'm sure it can be to many, as I spent 10 months as a stay at home dad had a hard time with it. Not in the sense that I was not the breadwinner, I am proud of my wife and her professional accomplishments. But in the sense that even with my duties of maintaining the home and caring for our child I felt isolated and on a deeper level almost unneeded in relation to our capitalistic ideals . I feel an urge on an almost unconscious level to work for the benefit of my family which is very interesting. While I have always been a proud supporter of all women to choose their own paths those months showed me in an intangible way how so many women can feel trapped in their lives, and helped further my understanding of their struggle. But at the end of the day, man, woman, fluid, the very concept of feeling like one needs to be trading labor for existence at the price dictated by faceless multinational corporations is bullshit.
So we need to trade labor at the price dictated by the government? That sounds familiar... A government system where businesses operate at the command and behest of the government... Wait... That's literally how a Fascist economy works...
You probably feel this way because you sense that your wife resents being the breadwinner and has lost respect for you. The breadwinner masculine ideal is rooted nowhere but in women's expectations and desires. All evidence suggests this, which is why married men out earn women and unmarried men, for instance. What's really interesting is why you can't see this. It's because you're incapable of thinking of women as having agency, which is exactly what the patriarchy of yore was based on, this idea that men had an obligation to protect women and provide for them.
As an Indian it is extremely disheartening to see that there is a section of people within India who are fascists and they exercise considerable power to steer the course of politics.
Same here in Bangladesh. People be like, "Oh they're persecuting Muslims in India, so it's justified if we do literally the same to our minorities." They can't seem to understand power dynamics and how it's minorities who always get fucked regardless of where they are.
Speaking of destructiveness and vilification, this reminds me of how these people are always opposed to fighting for a better world, convinced that it is impossible and that humans are all as greedy as they are!!
Whilst I was writing that part, I had a bunch of right-wingers jumping into the comments on my video about Whiteness and it was really interesting seeing their interpretation of anti-racism as being about the subjugation of white people. There was just a complete inability to see a world without race-based power structures; in their minds there always had to be one group in power over the other...
Tom Nicholas I get called a nazi for saying there’s not as many Nazis as people say. Seems like maybe some white people are actually being silenced from any real dialogue. That sucks. I’ve seen blm shut down asian speakers before at the university of Toronto because they started talking about white people helping them with racism from black people. I’ve seen blm groups tell gay people to basically piss off, they aren’t included, despite their history with police raids too. It’s not just white supremacists man. I think half this stuff is pure garbage and I’ve been deeply obsessed with racism my whole life. Votes Trudeau twice and Obama was my favourite president. I agree with burning cop stations and property but none of the looting. It’s not all so simple.
Tom Nicholas Also grew up in native and black neighborhoods my whole life, and watched people’s lives fall apart as they blamed white people, and even had the nerve to tell me my family (who got here in the late thirties early forties) we’re responsible for their problems, while getting drunk on a work night. When you claim all these issues are because of racism, then the real issues that aren’t being addressed, aren’t being addressed. One of my best friends mom got a settlement from the residential school stuff, and it messed her whole life up. Thats reperations. It’s so ridiculously complex, and y’all just say, ah shit it’s racism.
@@ard1805 They're blaming white people because white people refused to sell them homes in nice places where the good jobs all moved to. That's why they drink on the job, because the job is miserable and underpays them. Yeah, it is complex: racism is complex. That there is some sectarian infighting on social justice movements is not an excuse to act counter revolutionary.
As someone who was very auth right earlier in life I can confirm I had atleast most of these traits… I still have one or two of them today, clearly something I’ll have to work on
@@Willow.9765 well for one, im trans and gay and repressing those parts of me hurt me alot and second i took time away from politcal spaces due to quite severe mental health issues and reassessed my stances
@@thegoosling8947look into the enneagram 9 personality types. Understand that part of your temperament was simply born alongside you and there's little you can do. However you can take these feelings and thoughts and use them in positive ways. The kind of person who finds great injustice in this world and sees problems every where (especially within themselves) can do great good in this world when focused properly like Batman, MLK, Malcolm X. But when you give in to your basest desires you are capable of great atrocities think Thanos or Hitler. It's work but will lead to a better more fulfilling life and who knows, maybe you'll make the world a little bit better and that's not too shabby.
The idea that fascism adapts and is not always going to look the same is incredibly important. Also, that fascists always lie about who they are (if they even realize they are fascists). Great vid. 👍
The prosecution need never cease, for it is in the hunt for the heretic we find our own absolution. We are affirming what is moral, good and pious as we flagellate.
@@CriticalHitRoll In Warhammer 40k man is subservient to the God-Emperor and his Imperium of Mankind. The Imperium is extremely authoritarian and very demanding with the most dangerous and demanding mandatory military service imaginable. Despite the brutalities and nature of things, in order to defend humanity, it is also one of the greatest honors to die in the Emperor's name and help mankind continue.
@@burgermind802 How dare western nations not allow millions from the 3rd world take over their country and destroy their children heritage , they clearly must be facist haters and racists
Man didn't make it about naming any current politicians either. He coulda just said "supports Trump, thanks for watching" but he went in depth and was entertaining
There is a German film called Die Welle (The Wave) which is about a teacher who starts educating his students about the Nazis. And how it influences them. It escalates in an interesting way. You might want to check it out.
While it's an interesting story don't buy into it too much. The original story is actually not as bad as it is made to seem. I remember coming across a blog where a man became so interested in that story that he tracked down some of the kids who went to that school and their account of that experiment do not match up with how the teacher explains it.
There’s a really interesting book called “Parenting for a Peaceful World” by Robin Grille - which looks at the dominant child-rearing techniques within different societies and the way they set up the conditions (shape the personalities) which then allow fascistic and totalitarian groups to come to power. The book has some problematic elements but still Super fascinating! Might be up your alley!
Later in this book, there's a lot of discussion of childhood (most of the researchers had some background in psychoanalysis and its traces are all over the book). I'm the same in being a bit undecided as to how useful I think the "blame it on the parents" approach is, although I think the broader ways in which a person's personality is shaped by the society they live in are vital to interrogate. I'll try and take a look at Grille's book if I get a chance at some point, thanks for the recommend!
Bob Altmeyer found something similar. He noted such personalities often manifests in kids raised by stern parents who take a "Because I said so," approach and emphasize that the world is a dangerous place they need to be tough to protect those children from, their parenting style quite likely being informed by their own authoritarianism. If the kid breaks the rules at some point and finds themselves worse off, it tends to reinforce the authoritarianism, and if the kid breaks the rules and finds that things weren't as bad as their parent said, it tends to weaken the authoritarianism. Other things which weakened authoritarianism were distance from family and exposure to more people in the out-group (such as is often the case at universities) while some things that strengthened it were threats from outside and having children of their own (both things which might induce new kinds of fears that make a person more sensitive to potential threats.)
@@MatPost In this case, it's whomever is raising you and the community they raise you in. For example, a strict religious family who treats adoption as a kind of evangelism and tries to raise those kids in isolation from secular influences would count even if they're not blood-related.
I'm a simple man: when I hear fascisticus potentialicus and fascisticus actualicus in a British accent at 2.0 playback speed, I have no idea what he's talking about. 🙃
@@witchdoctorgames5011 You deny that there is a subgroup of fascists that do not consider themselves so? Think of fascism as a mental disorder or brainworms. Certain ideologies can actually rot your brain *the royal society, The cognitive and perceptual correlates of ideological attitudes: a data-driven approach* and block out some of your intellectual abilities. People become fascist without ever reading a purely fascist book or seeing propaganda because it's just like shutting your brain off. Your friends could turn you fascist by feeding you talking points about nationalism and immigration, and of course a fall from glory.
I wonder if it will ever be acceptable to discuss fascism as a form abusive social relationship. The participants in fascism certainly exhibit behavior of people stuck in a cycle of suffering and perpetrating abuse.
I would recommend you read what the fascist purpose, as only listening to those opposed to it, is like only listening to what steven crowder tells you about socialism.
@Joe Average it would be propositions not purposes, and no, fascists never get to tell anyone what they believe, you only get to hear it from people opposed to it and will tell you anything to stop you learning what it believes. Do you think anti-communists will tell you the nuances of communism? do you think anti-socialists will tell you the nuances of socialism?
The stuff about the fetishisation of dominance/submission power dynamics and obsession with sex just made me realise that the "tradwife" community are actually living a 24/7 kink lifestyle.
Black pigeons are interesting creatures. There is a common myth that black pigeons speak, but this pidgin contains no substance so cannot be said to be actual speech. It's just echolalic gibberish like, "BRAAAK! Soros Gates mask genocide! BRAAAK!"
Fact: Including Musolini's mistress who was jewish, there were atleast 10,000 jews in the fascist party of Italy which accounts for about 1/3rd of the Jewish adult population in Italy. So why does everyone think that fascists are racists and hates jews? As George Orwell pointed out: "... Some fascist movements are not anti Semitic..." Orwell was correct and the original fascism wasn't anti-Semitic or racist at all. So what's going on here? To know that, watched the linked video: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@scienceium5233 the creator of the video he linked subscribed Sargon of Akkad and has a video about the antisemitism of Karl Marx (a jew btw), I think the chances of sources and valid argumentation are quite low...
First of all, I just discovered you and I am in love with your content. I'm left leaning which probably is no surprise to anyone gathering at your corner of youtube but I could actually see myself in some of these descriptions. It's not easy to admit and I'm also expecting to be called a sheeple and be inundated with comments suggesting I'm of lesser intelligence. I think my point is that I can empathize with what happens and why it happens because I myself know I fall into these 'traps'.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@bulcanyaaa That's soviet/communist propaganda. Nationalism has nothing to do with right or left wing which is something you and most other people should understand. Fascio literally means bundle. Fascists in fascist Italy refers to trade/labour unions (Naxis are not Fascists. In face Naxis are different breed altogether.). Fascists about which the socialist/Marxist historians won't tell you is that Fascists are left leaning.
@@sabhishek9289 fucking hell dude. Fucking hell. Either you're really ignorant or you're trying to trick folks for shady fucking reasons. Fascists in Italy arose SPECIFICALLY to prevent the socialist party and workers' unions from gaining power. Similar story in Germany. Both the Fascisti and the Nazis jailed and killed socialists merely for being socialist. Hitler was chummy with HENRY FUCKING FORD, THE POSTER BOY OF 2ND INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION AMERICAN CAPITALISM.
@@bulcanyaaa Yeah this dude is all over the comments section for this video posting the same introductory comment then going off with his political Star Wars theories about Fascism to anyone that responds. Dude is far out about defending Fascism.
superb. I am still chuckling over the birds but it quickly transformed into a learned disquisition on the authoritarian mindset. Really excellent video.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@Tom_Nicholas Oh cool man thanks for answering, your video was a perfect primer. I love your videos and also really like the creativity and the humor at the beginning, it was really funny. But thanks for the reply, I think that this might be next on the list
Adorno was a Marxist - an ideology which has caused far more pain and suffering than any "Fascist regime". The Authoritarian Personality only appeals to bitter leftists with daddy issues
@@fletcherhanks3073 Is that so? It always amuses me how people manage to subsume all of marxist theory, all of its different variants, beginning with the left-hegelians, marx, engels, lenin, the different stands when it comes to reformism, to revolution, to the soviet union, trotzki, all the inner-left quarrels and struggles under the one term 'marxism', as if all of these people basically had the same ideas. marxism is not some obscure idea that 'everything should belong to everyone' as it seems to be taught in the us or as some left-liberals seem to vulgarly interpret it, for the past 150 it has been one of the three defining political views. surely there are things one can find critical about adorno and the frankfurt school, but these can be found among marxist as well, just take an orthodox such as lukacz as an example. on the other hand exist critiques by adorno's main opponent during the 50s and 60s: gehlen or valid critiques on dialectical and historical materialism by liberals such as ernst topitsch. tl;dr: marxism is not one single theory and making marx responsible for stalinism or maoism is a rather weak argument.
Die Rewe 91448 Emskirchen don’t bother trying to debate a fascist. They don’t care about nuance or facts, they simply spout emotional appeal and things that sound good. It doesn’t matter to them that anti-communism has ingrained patently false claims into everyone’s psyche because that is what they want. To attempt to debate this type of dishonesty puts facts against ever changing and uncaring dishonesty.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html .
@@sabhishek9289 a very often occuring faux argument fascists like to use is the fact that the Nazis in Germany did in fact call themselves socialists. however, it does not really matter what you call yourself when you then kill millions of people because you deemed them inferior
@@chayew4660 here is the first hand accounts of a holocaust survivor: th-cam.com/video/2ro0foFx354/w-d-xo.html Her testimony proves that Nazi Germany is indeed a socialist country. And you can't call her a fascist for stating facts.
@@sabhishek9289 congratulations! you just won the "Darwin" prize for: *drumroll* being the living proof that humans evolved from monkeys! Thank you for your incredible contribution to science
I've heard about a study made on stupidity, not as a psychological, but as a sociological behavior. That study was centered around the same subject of the video : why people followed the fascists ideals and horrors with such conformity? It explained that “stupidity”, to the opposite of malice, isn't something that people know how to deal with. Because of this, there was little in the way of individuals taking advantage of that behavior for whatever objective they may have. But what causes that sociological “stupidity”? That reminded me about a project I made in philosophy classes. One of the sources I used for the work was an article made by a French psychologist about pre-masticated ideas and the tendency in humans to follow those ideas. Though, she used religious beliefs as base for her vulgarisation instead of fascism. She explained that humans, when it comes to interpreting the complex world that surrounds them, need to invest a lot of time and effort to make thoughtful and thorough conclusions. Thanks to the abundance of different ideas and beliefs, we sometimes prefer to adopt those pre-existing beliefs instead of using our own rational mind to interpret and understand our environment. She writes that people who adopt these ideologies without a second thought could do so for many reasons. It can be because they agree with and re enforces the world view the person already have, it could be because it gives them a sense of comfort, hides their vulnerabilities and it could also be because it gives to these people a sense of importance, a sense of duty, it makes them feel special and tells them that they are not insignificant. This points me to this video. Why do some people blindly follow these made up ideas and beliefs? As we've seen, the characteristic traits which were common to most potential fascists also hinted at something else : a lot of these individuals showed signs of insecurity, uncertainty and discomfort towards their current political and sociological situation. They agreed with statements which said that they had something to prove, that the present socio-economical structure hindered their potential as an invested and determined human being : they felt insignificant. The ideals of fascism agreed with the beliefs and ideas people already had gave them this sense of security and comfort and above all, gave them a feeling of importance, speciality and significance. Though, there is still one issue left to discuss : Why do these individuals try to keep the fascist system in place? For the ones that ever heard about the “cavern allegory” by the Greek philosopher Platon, you may already know the answer. The reasons why “fascisticus potentialicus” deliberately tries to keep the status quo are the same ones that explains why he adopted the authoritarian ideology in the first place. This individual has found an ideal that brings him security, comfort and importance, and now that he has a sense of fulfillment, he is not about to let it go. These people have such an attachment to this feeling that they sometimes consider it their reason to live and anything that questions this foundation would be, predictably, viewed as a threat to their own reality and existence. The individuals profiting from fascism are ready to do anything to solidify the establishment of this system, even denying a group of people the right to be considered humans. To finish this lengthy piece of thought, this chain of destructive behaviors do not limit themselves to just fascism. Any ideology that follows a similar manipulative doctrine is also at risk of creating an irrational and inhuman mouvement, whether it’d be a cult, a religion or a political system. The spread of authoritarian and dehumanizing ideals concern a broader list of doctrines and systems, fascism being only one of its many exemples.
@@dylanmilton3073 that's why I ended my comment the way I did. The manner people get manipulated and radicalized is commun to pretty much any radical group. Most of the time, these groups encourage blind conformity and defend authoritarian ideals. There is more than one totalitarian ideology and the fascists used the same argument to denounce another group from which they feel threatened.
@@dylanmilton3073That’s because fascism shares many ideals with authoritarianism, which is not a solely conservative ideology. The USSR began with a rather progressive revolution which sought to place the economic and social power of the nation into the hands of the collective, and yet, it was still the ones who fought the dirtiest and were the best at exploiting systems that wound up in control. Any and everyone is capable of expressing these personality traits. That doesn’t just disappear because you identify more with ‘progressive’ values. The political compass meme is by no means perfect, but it does explain essentially what I am talking about
The narrative about authoritarian personality being susceptible to fascism is completely misleading. That personality is extremely susceptible to propaganda and is very likely to act tribal, but it is NOT limited to fascist propaganda. There is a reason why it is called "authoritarian", not "fascist", and thus should be analyzed in context of all authoritarian regimes. At the very least you should have mentioned this in conclusions.
The name Liberal Fascist is to show the smiley roots and pedigree descended from ww2 fascists. Their mechanism is still institutional authoritarianism, like the federal monopoly school system of institutional racism lulling minorities with obedience, nihilism and leftist indoctrination.
@@dmay3391 Nihilism is not purely left or right, a large increase in this type of thinking has come from the advent of the internet age. Since now we get information from anywhere at anytime and can see horrible things live with a click, many have fallen into cynicism and hopelessness.
I was already like "I've got a cool idea but does acting now count as ripping off Philosophy Tube?" and then, when I was editing this, he put out his latest video IN WHICH HE WAS IN A WOODS...
@@justice_was_taken PhilosophyTube has always laid it on a little thick, been a bit over the top. Where Contrapoints is more dry and sardonic, PT is more earnest which just isn't to my taste, at least for TH-cam content
"In general, full economic security is harmful; most men wouldn't work if they didn't need the money for eating and living" - ah yes, this reminds me why I'm always wary of such studies. These are two completely distinct things, why are they conflated under one statement? The tacit connection between them that in an ideal world everybody would be working is forced upon the person giving the answer no matter their response, whereas one can easily imagine someone who would reject this even to the point of going "yeah probably most people would just bum around but if it makes for a happy people on average and is economically sustainable that's no big deal" (not my stance, but a perfectly conceivable one). And what is this "work", even? Does it only include having an official "job", or would say being a "traditional housewife" also count? Such studies really need a "mu" answer, to entirely reject malformed questions.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
Exactly my thoughts. As an Anarchist my take would be "full economic security IS harmful, most people would work if they didn't need the money for food and living." If you doubt that people would work even when they don't have to then I recommend doing absolutely nothing for 2 weeks, it fills you with a need to make something lol.
Just found your channel! It's super cool, going back and watching lots of your videos. Your videos are really good quality! Love the bird bit at the beginning
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html ..
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
Fact: Including Musolini's mistress who was jewish, there were atleast 10,000 jews in the fascist party of Italy which accounts for about 1/3rd of the Jewish adult population in Italy. So why does everyone think that fascists are racists and hates jews? As George Orwell pointed out: "... Some fascist movements are not anti Semitic..." Orwell was correct and the original fascism wasn't anti-Semitic or racist at all. So what's going on here? To know that, watched the linked video: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html .
Really interesting video. I also feel like most people are broadly politically apathetic. That they'll go along with whatever the majority are doing. So these potential fascists would form the active collaborators but most people will be passive bystanders, as long as they can get on with their lives.
I get that there is some type of authoritarian personality, what I don't get is how it connects to the actual ideology of fascism. Because if not all authoritarians turn into fascists, what's the point of connecting the personality to the ideology? What phenoma was Adorno trying to explain here? What function do the people with the 'authoritarian personality' serve in the fascist system?
The point is that these personality traits render people vulnerable to unconscious fascist radicalization, because part of fascistic policies will feel natural to them (But the traits don't guarantee it 100%). To them the building of a repressive police state could be no worry, because they could easily lead themselves to believe that only ever the "bad people" will suffer under it. Examples of this kind of line of thought could include: "Woman raped by cops? She must have seduced them, since a cop would never force himself on a woman" "Protesters killed by cops? they must have tried to kill the cop first, since a cop is the incarnation of good and justice, so they would never harm an innocent person"
@@frederik7338 So does that mean people with the authoritarian personality are just bystanders who passively support the regime? Then who are the 'actual fascists' who do all the killing and actually take over the government? Do they have the authoritarian personality aswell? Furthermore, If 'authoritarians' are just opportunists who will support any authoritarian regime that takes over, shouldn't you be able to find them in any regime, even if it's not technically fascist?
@@frederik7338 you realize there are two sides to the authoritarian coin? A facist is a nationalist to the extreme, a communist is globalist to the extreme, both are equally authoritarian and monstrous. Except one is more acceptable to call one's self than the other and that's problematic
I'm surprised this video doesn't address more problems with this theory. I don't have a fixed opinion on it myself, but I've come across two related criticisms. The first is that the research was biased and designed to confirm what the researchers wanted to find - I've even heard it said that the researchers changed their criteria when they moved to the US in order to better conform to the expectations of mid-century American liberalism. The second is that this line of thinking makes it easier to dismiss anything to the right of center as a function of personality, while accepting anything left of center uncritically - while leftists and liberals themselves can often be authoritarian. (I consider myself to be on the far left. My point is that I don't know what to think about this subject since I've seen such contradictory responses to it.)
There's some interesting critiques of the study. As I read it, however, most of those are addressed within the book itself. Particularly in terms of some of the methodological stuff. With regard to being influenced by prior research, all research is influenced by previous studies, that's just how it works.
@Cian Abroad they literally preach authoritarianism. More government control is necessary to facilitate that. I have no idea who you are watching, they sure as hell aren't leftists.maybe you were watching Proud Boys videos.
@@julians.2597 He may be referring to events such as how, just from what was threatened by a prosecutor in St. Louis earlier today, a prosecutor was trying to silence dissenting opinions via sending the mob after the police unless they agreed with the narrative he was trying to create. Cancel culture as well fits the basic idea behind authoritarianism far better than most other things, as destroying those with dissenting opinions leaves no one that is willing or able to disagree with the main line of thought.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html ..
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A couple of people in the comments have informed me that many Romani people consider the term g*psy (which I use toward the beginning of this video) a slur. This wasn't something I was aware of. So, obviously, sincere apologies to anyone who this might have offended. And, thank you to those who (all very gently) let me know that this is the case.
@@Tom_Nicholas Romani are a european nation. ironically are the most similar to original nomad indoeuropean peoples in 3000 BC. by the way irish Travellers (nomads too but with evident celtic heritage are called "gypsies"
These studies were done at the end of WWII, they should be repeated today, I really believe the results would be different in certain areas, especially when it comes to conservatism.
Where could I take this quiz and get my scores?
@@justinfreeman4614 yeah.good question.
My history teacher always said “once you start seeing someone as inferior, it’s easy to see more people that way.”
Yes, and it's really hard to stop. Specially if someone else keeps telling you that you are superior and others are lesser. And if even the state says it, and all the posters say it, and the flags and the crowds say it... It must be true.
Even on a small scale, say you are slighted at the food market, by... A woman, a black man or... Pretty much anyone with different features than yourself, and sometimes not even that. And in the moment you think this person to be your lesser, because "what would a WOMAN know.." or "Of course a BLACK man would..." These small tiny biases that you might not even think about exists in others too, and when these biases get together in an echo-chamber, it leads to death, be that by fascism or socialism.
I bet he was fired.
@Dr. Plop the plop doctor your philosophy ignores the entire branch of metaphysics, one of the most important factors to consider when discussing social issues.
@Dr. Plop the plop doctor Race is not something you can will away by merely referring to people as "JuSt HuMaNs". Why do Africans excel at professional football and basketball like no other demographic? Why do Asians seemingly dominate the American education system(to the point where they're penalized in US college admissions for being overrepresented)? Genetics are not going to disappear just because you don't like them.
@Dr. Plop the plop doctor As I said, you're denying a biological reality on the basis that it doesn't suit the way you'd like for things to be. Your only rebuttal is "nah I disagree" and then you misrepresent my argument as talking about culture instead of biology. And where did my comment say that I hate anyone? All I said is that race is an immutable characteristic (which it is).
I'm starting to get the feeling this isn't about birds at all...
*gasp*
impossible
This is the last time I trust a British person that isn't John Cleese.
@@sabhishek9289 yeah you are way smarter than thousand of phd groduates lol modi facist
@@scienceium5233 "thousand of phd groduate"
I'm also a phd graduate.
@@sabhishek9289 The video is super interesting thank you for linking it especially the part about Fascist Italy. However this guy has a very obvious hate boner for Socialism astricken
relevant
‘But are there not many fascists in your country?'
'There are many who do not know they are fascists but will find it out when the time comes.'”
Ernest Hemingway, For Whom the Bell Tolls
This is a very apt quote. I’ve never read any Hemingway but perhaps should...
@@Tom_Nicholas As an American, I can relate to your video! The difference between fascist of yesteryear found in Europe and the fascists in my country is that today they wrap themselves with the American flag and insist their ethnocentric and bigoted views are god-given, but its born from a presumption of this puritan view of what must be. It's a mentality like you stated. They usually begin their argument of why we must accept authoritarian rule through a lens of apocalyptic conclusions and work backwards from their conclusion to find evidence to their statements. There is a belief that God ordained them to be infallible and their ignorance is a virtue. The idea for example of wearing a mask to protect oneself and their community from Covid-19 is a matter of freedom, but also as a way to own the leftists. The idea that those that die are deserving of it, because they're weak. Also it's a twisted inflated ego with a irrational confidence of their own ability to judge the world around them.... As you said it's their personality and how they arrived to these views, but you also should factor more about peer pressure within a community which breeds this mentality, and the family that devalues and often despises critical thinking. Within their bubble of conventional thinking there is a explicit hatred of those who are deemed sexual deviants i.e homosexuals and transsexuals. You briefly mention it, but I think that's a bigger factor. The people I know who have the most fascistic views are often severely sexually repressed and find masturbation and any sexual gratification outside the purpose of procreation as disgusting. This causes severe aggression to any perceived out group that has a means to express themselves in such manner. Pornhub did a study of the most conservative areas in the USA and found that those areas often had the highest views of "deviant pornography." In your video it should be the first and one of the biggest factors in rural America's fascistic views. I know it sounds weird, but if you talk to conservatives stateside the more they focus on 'manhood' and the role of the woman the more likely they are to express fascistic views. You should listen to Donald Trump's supporters on why he's great and why minorities need extermination. It's insane how psychologically damaged many are and how they see the world in absolutist terms. This commitment to contrarian views is seen as illogical by outside groups, but in the right wing circles it's necessary to hold contradictory views like - 2nd Amendment gives us the right to own guns to stop a potentially repressive government, but a repressive government that exterminates the right kinds of people is needed and justified. As a Latino in the USA, I often find their illogical arguments amusing, but don't be surprised should America become an outright fascist state within the near future.
Xavier2291 damn. as a fellow american, you pretty much just summed up the entire state of the right here in a comment
Sounds like Chile. And I don't like it.
@Azazel Acheron "Corporation" means something totally different under fascism. It's basically an economic guild that serves the state. "Private property" is only allowed to the extent that it serves the nation and promotes its values.
Thank you for closed captioning. I am hearing impaired and it really help me understand the lesson better.
I second this! I'm neurodivergent and tend to have difficulty maintaining focus on what is being said over what I'm seeing or thinking in relation to the topic. Having clear and coherent captions helps me to capture and process so much more of what is being said!
Im here 1 year later and where the hell did those captions go 😭😭
@@parttimeemo8363 same
@@parttimeemo8363 I second this
They're gone now thats so tragic.
i like how you didnt just cite your source, you explained their theoretical basis AND their methodology. your videos are always so thorough and informative, thanks tom!
Yes...perhaps too thorough
using his PhD in good use
If only somebody could be informative and teach you how to use capital letters
bruh its actually real frustrating when someone makes assertions and sends you on a side quest to find the source
@@dahleno2014 no capital here brother🔓⛓
"sounds like... like a dog whistle."
Fucking excellent line. 7/5
@hasanpiker9472 Other fascists and those who hunt them by their call.
@Hasan Piker conservatives don’t point them out as dog whistles because that would kinda defeat the purpose for them
@Hasan Piker there's a simple solution here, conservatives should act in good faith and learn to spot dog whistles, because if they were actually against fascism, it would really help them to understand what fascist dog whistles are, what they look like/sound like, and what makes a dog whistle work in the way it does. It would help deal with the pesky issue of cryptofascism. Because whether or not you're gonna try to tie fascism to left wing dialogue, you should at the very least understand the tool. But I think it's probably easier for you to just claim the dog whistles aren't there, instead of seeing the 14/88s, the ((()))'s, blood and soils, etc.
@Hasan Piker because the point of the cryptofascists is to read the dog whistles and actively choice to pretend they don't exist, it doesn't exactly help fascists politically if they started giving away their secrets on what a dog whistle is, which makes the contradiction of your beliefs more apparent
@Hasan Piker you've ever seen dog pointing at dog whistle? No, dogs just hear them like every other sound and follow it. They can't see any difference in nature between this and any other sound around it. Just like conservatives can't see difference between news and things Tucker Carlson says on air.
I love the idea that a bunch of psychologists got together to scientifically prove that fascists are assholes.
„Ideologies are like arseholes: everyone's got one, we use it every day, but you very rarely look at your own unless something's gone wrong.“ - Abigail Thorn _Jordan Peterson's Ideology_ | Philosophy Tube th-cam.com/video/m81q-ZkfBm0/w-d-xo.html, 09.04.2021
@@KaiHenningsen the right haven't found the right hole in about 200 so years
@Sir Sir "nice" according to your values... what people consider "nice" is subjective.
@@chrisakaschulbus4903 that's not true. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that "nice" = 69.
@@duffman18 Can't argue with that...
"Sounds a bit like a dog whistle" is the single hardest hitting throw away joke I've heard in a while
didnt get it
@@FourLionsClips then bless your heart
Wouldn’t an actual fascist not use a dog whistle and just say it thou?
@@pokemastermlg7435 Fascists use dogwhistles to hold discussion and spread their rhetoric in public spaces without detection.
If they were speaking in private, they *could* forego the dogwhistle, but… dogwhistles also serve as shorthand for larger statements of belief, so they keep them, even there.
Maybe the real fascists were the friends we made along the way.
So Antifa?
The Socialists who want to reorganise a society for some non existent utopia..only they believe in, or is that Communism? it's so close.
@@duality5503 not a utopian idea anymore. But one I believe is far better than capitalism
@ASD ASD im not going to lay out all aspects of socialism just to prove a point.
@precizion i know
*The Authoritarian Personality*
1. Conventionalism 17:49
2. Authoritarian Submission 18:09
3. Authoritarian Aggression 18:44
4. Anti-intraception 19:12
5. Stereotypy 19:39
6. Power and Toughness 20:14
7. Destructiveness and Cynicism 21:07
8. Projectivity 21:32
9. 'Sex' 22:14
I’m more with the Anime Minshevics
@@7LegSpiders fascism is inherently right wing. Your characterizations of the left are pretty silly too, I mean conceptually and on an individual basis. We’re talking about fascism: a very specific ideology. And you’re comparing it to the left: an umbrella term for a wide array of progressive ideologies. Nobody here said fascism is right wing by cherry-picking different groups on the right. They looked at what fascists specifically believe and went from there to determine where the ideology itself sits on the spectrum. You’re trying to revere engineer the logic to fit your narrative.
1. Conventionalism refers to adhering to traditional views. That is the opposite of what the left stands for. Conventionalism is not tribalism.
2. Sure, there are authoritarians on the left too, but to be considered fascist there has to be more proof than “some of them are authoritarian”.
3. Nobody is being jailed simply for having the “wrong” beliefs by leftists. The left isn’t using the state to punish anyone. Yes, sometimes people gather on social media and complain about offensive rhetoric. Sometimes people get fired from their jobs (which is a capitalist company worrying about their bottom line)
4. I’m not even sure what you’re getting at here. Sounds like you’re claiming that what you’re saying is objective, but it’s far from it.
5. I’m not sure how anti-white sentiments are inherent to any prominent leftist ideologies. Seems like you guys always have to point to a handful of crazies on Twitter to back up this claim.
6. I don’t want you to wear a mask as an exercise in domination. I want you to wear a mask so my grandma has less of a chance of getting sick at the grocery store.
7. Defund the police typically means stop putting all our resources in armed police officers that have to do the job of enforcing the law AND being a social worker, something they’re not trained to do. It’s about making communities safer, not destroying them.
8. People believe SOME conservatives want to destroy everything because they’re acting increasingly anti-democratic. They’re undermining the system in an attempt to maintain control. This isn’t up for debate at this point. The election fraud conspiracy in the U.S. was a lie spun by prominent conservative figures.
9. The point of this one is that fascists uphold traditional values. Having untraditional sex bad. Procreation or nothing. This is literally the opposite of what the left is doing for the lgbtq+ community.
If you want to argue that some leftists are bad, that’s fine. But they aren’t fascists.
sex
I wonder if due to traits like:"power and toughness", which men value more, they are also more likely to become fascist
@@7LegSpiders But it's true that the cult of toughness, alpha males etc. speaks mainly to men, you can also see at those "pro-white" rallies etc. Many of those "straight parades" were also JUST men. There is far greater men to female ratio than for example, during a pride parade. I am not putting myself at a pedestal or anything, it's just an observation. Toxic masculinity, the comfort of "traditional values" that appeal more to men, are the causes for this I presume.
The irony will never be more deafening than when millions of people describe the enemy as the actions of themselves without knowing it
*cough* antifa *cough*
@@CausticSpace using violence to combat fascism makes you fascist? Guess America really is fascist then
*typo, left out the n in then
@@Luxia-f1e Khaos has corrupted you if you believe that
@@CausticSpace Ah, yes, because decentralized organizing and violence as a means of combating fascism is fascis... Pfffft, maybe try learning WTF fascism is
@@AslanW if you are silencing others that have a different opinion than you with violence, that is fascism in its simplest form.
Fortunately, my parents were never successful in fully convincing me that any authority was immune from question for the only reason that it is in authority. I so love Timothy Snyder (and Eccho) for the expression of how unearned authority should be challenged. I have made my share of political adversaries that way.
The whole point of fascism is earned authority and anit-materialism
@@AeneasReborn??????
I think we need a study on why Americans are so trusting of people with British accents. Great video though!
Because traditionally american society has only heard from the smart ones (eg BBC, PBS). That's changing, this video is evidence of that.
They didn't watch top Gear
I usually associate British accents with pseudointellectualism
@@dmay3391 These days, the BBC is hot garbage.
*English Accent
The truly scary thing is that virtually any person can express these traits in a state of fear and/or anger.
"in a state of fear and/or anger."
This is not only a cool but also a needed and important play on words.
It's almost as if their is a meaning behind reactionary. Are you people absolutely brain-dead? The far-right is literally a creation of an over-arching left-wing. The only reason the Nazis ever gained power was because the left wing in Wiemar had absolutely decimated their own nation. When the people no longer were willing to play along they started beating them. I'm not saying it was ok but just like an ass-whipping "reactions" don't fall from the sky.
@@maniswil2 I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about...
When did the left-wing decimate their own population? When the right-wing Kaiserreich started WWI or when the right-wing Freikorps went around murdering people?
Well it's true
Most of those cases have their origin from a trauma
For example if a bald person attacked you then your mind will make you feel afraid of bald people as a defense mechanism, and it can easily evolve into hatred in a "it's either them or me" mindset
90% of cases isn't just because you were an asshole and wake up wanting to be one, it was just your mind driving you towards that path in order to not repeat that situation locked and grabbing dust in your memory
@@GarkKahn Cat's in sweden has no fear of cuccumbers, there are no deadly snakes here so the cat mother dosen't teach them to fear them.
You can teach a child to fear and hate any group if you present them as a treath.
I definitely had an authoritarian personality only a few years ago.
And after watching this video, I am aware I'm still not fully rid of that personality type.
I'm glad you're working on it! I have also been through change and this other side has been empowering and helped heal some mental health issues!
Knowing is half the battle. You've got more self awareness than most people so I think you'll be fine!
Congratulations, you've successfully lied to yourself!
So you're going against your own nature then?
@@KillBlueHelmets
Yes. And that is good in this case.
Are you going to respond with a comment that is essentially based on the "appeal to nature" naturalistic logical fallacy? If so, I'm looking forward to it.
This was quite an interesting video to watch/listen. I feel the most worrying trait I've observed of people is the willingness to blindly follow people, that group is easy to take advantage of :/
Even worse is that, the blindest followers are the ones who are unaware they are blindly following. They think their ideas are their own. They get viciously defensive if you point out they're expressing strong opinions that only materialized at the same time when it became advantageous to their political leaders for the public to believe that.
@Wemple’s Temple I wouldn't say mainly exploited by the right wing. They're exploited by all sorts of hucksters, big and small. The corporate uniparty, and little online cult leaders. Remember all the arson in 2020? Not Trump's posse.
@Wemple’s Temple people from all directions are exploiting them, even some who don't realise it. The problem lies in the inability to see things from an outside group's perspective and those considered an enemy of the group. Think about how these scientists got facist-leaning opinions in order to figure out what lead to that thinking. No matter how "bad" you think someone is, whether they lie on the other side of the political spectrum or are straight-up racist, looking at the world through their lens with an open mind will help you understand the reason for their beliefs, letting you challenge them directly, and maybe even give you insight that someone on your side would miss.
@Wemple’s Temple Could you name a few communities so I can understand what exactly you mean?
@@templarlad392 almost all far right and far left political communities
I could tell this guy was British from the thumbnail
Fascist ok fash
Lol same. I don’t know how I’ve missed this guy until now. This is solid content.
I couldn't.
@@skopskiet
Spotted the Yank...
@@skopskiet never said he was pathetic
Thanks for the video! It was very informative... though I don't think most people would find it terribly surprising that the psychological profile of people-most-likely-to-be-fascists is "self-righteous racists who aren't great at using their critical thinking skills".
"though I don't think most people would find it terribly surprising"
Sometimes I don't think. Usually when I am asleep.
This is the kind of stuff that radicalizes people, instead of approaching something with any kind of dialogue to try and convince someone that they are wrong they have blind hatred tossed at them because of there beliefs. It doesn't matter if the beliefs are immoral or unethical all you are doing by insulting and belittling these people is proving every single bias they have against you right. All you're doing is perpetuating the ideology you hate by blatantly painting every person with the same brush and putting yourself on a pedestal as the ideal with zero proof given besides "you guys are all self righteous babies"
@@jyro6095 Eventually it leads to war with every faction not just sure of their own rightness, but suddenly possessing a righteous duty to eliminate every other kind. Hutu versus Tutsi. Serbs versus Croats. Can you tell them apart? Can THEY tell each other apart?
I think that's a very bad way of interpretating who is vulnerable to fascist ideas. Like that isn't what is being said.
@@jyro6095 That's like saying "World War 2 wouldn't happen if everyone just sat Hitler down and had a talk with him to show him that his beliefs are wrong." Sure, it's preferrable to have an open dialogue first but fascists and racists are, for most part, utterly uninterested in having an honest conversation with those from the out-groups. Their only interest is to subjugate or exterminate those out-groups. If they do engage in a conversation they are never honest, engaging in sealioning and wasting the opposition's time by running in circles.
The video title could literally be 'why fascism is bad' and the like-dislike ratio would still be appalling
#FoxNews
because online fashies are pathetic and have nothing else to do
@@commodorjack8633 why would you think so ? As far as I see, most people have become deracinated from any thoughts of taking action, or at least any thought of political involvement. Lots of lazy consumers out there right now. So it would be pretty dishonest to generalize that only one ideological group has faults because of a personal bias.
@@eternalflame8104 fascists aren't the only lazy and perpetually online group, but they are particularly lazy and perpetually online
Right wingers stick together and act as a group more effectively than other groups. If you say F Nazi's they'll get together to dislike, one great way to spot them.
How to spot a fascist:
Step 1- go to the TH-cam comment section
Step 2 - sort by new
facism> communism
@@igor-oh9eo Just going along with what you're saying. Who... Cares?
Why'd you want to pick between bubonic plague and cholera when you can choose so many different variations of neither?
reporting in
@@lunatheluma3804 sort by new is definitely the trick. All my posts are hidden otherwise
5:50 "A view of social relations that hold that life is permanent warfare between the powerful and powerless" (anxiously glances at all the business students reading The Art of War)
48 Laws of Power
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Its weird to say it, but I dont think most people in business school today even know who Sun Tzu or what The Art of War is.
Or Marxist going on about the oppressor and the oppressed?
Oh man, that comment hurt physically. Do you not have any limits to your cringyness?
@@Azathoth43 except marxists do believe class can ultimately be abolished meanwhile fascists depend on having a common enemy to gang up against
I'm so scared, a month ago I woke up in a fascist country (Russia). Families are falling apart because of their political views, conservative students report on their liberal teachers. I read that history repeats itself, but seeing it with my own eyes is terrifying. It could be foreshadowed, but I was always hoping for the best.
The clue to the problem is education - how the way of thinking of that or this particular human being has been established. Logic, analysis, self-reflection, question-based way of exploring life will help to preserve our society from f..ism phenomena in future for sure.
@ניקאָלאַי ברומאָווסקי you glad to live among nazis?
Antifa is active in Russia currently, if you are afraid of putin, go join or support them.
I don’t know how long exactly this was posted but I hope you are doing well despite everything going on in your country
Lmao Russia being fascist is a massive joke, as it Russia would be fascist, just because you don't agree with United Russia (fyi its better than the opposition)
My dude looks like he’s both 5 & 20 years old
And 40 as well
hahahaha. Now I can't unsee it.
STOP THIS IS SO TRUE
My guess is between 18and 25. I'm guessing this range n for two reasons. $1 The older I get the younger others look so to me he appears to be in his early teens in the 13 and 16 range so I added a few years. #2 He sounds like a college student so I would think probably in that age range although he appears much younger to me.
Is this really the top comment?
One of the most wild conclusions from this was in Martha Nussbaum's "Anger and Forgiveness". She argues that in Germany it makes sense to have laws prohibiting hate speech and racist rhetoric because Germany's history and culture that created these "authoritarian personalities." But that in the U.S. it would be an unfair overstepping of rights because the U.S. is not at threat of ever harbouring any successful racist or fascist political movements. And she indeed further stated that racism was impossible in the States as anything more than personal prejudice and the "bad actions" of some cops. 😑😮💨
As the cool internet kids say today "that's some bare copium she be smokin".
Laws against speech are retarded.
I mean she’s right. Freedom of speech includes so called “hate speech”
@TACTICALwaffle2 you've missed a huge detail. Nussbaum argues hate speech is fairly prohibited in one country, and would be unfairly prohibited in another.
@@HeavenlyEchoVirus I haven’t missed any details because I’m only talking about America. Freedom of speech is a uniquely US thing, no other country truly has freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is actually freedom from the government prohibiting speech, so yes it would be unfair to prohibit speech in the US. It seems like you disagree with that though and would love to police what others say
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
If you jack off into the abyss, itll probably say 'Ew.. are you alright?'
That's why I gaze at monsters and fight abysses. Keep em guessin'.
“… while plumbing its *Deaths.”*
@19:14 Anti-intraception, THANK YOU! I have been looking for that word for years! I always found it weird that some people had such an aggressive reaction to that kind of thing and now I have a word for it, sweet! :)
Also, I think you hit the nail on the head at the end there. This, like many things in life, *_will absolutely_* require a much more nuanced conversation than we usually have. The problem is that fascists are, almost by design, incredibly adverse to having that conversation, or even allowing that conversation to be had at all.
Not sure where your other comment about religion went, but I wrote a response and will post it here haha.
Well it depends on what you define as a religion I guess. Personally, I lump religion together with all other human illusions, that even atheist believe in, like free will. It gets worse though. Have you heard of solipsism? The idea is that none of us has a proof that anyone but ourselves is even conscious. Meaning that we all live our lives assuming without any evidence that we are not alone in this universe. So, if one of the fundamentals of our existence is based on a convenient assumption, who are we to judge the religious?
Its easier to spot a woke cnut.
Because religious assumptions tend to dehumanize while the assumption that people are indeed people doesn't
Very interesting.
I would like to submit some modifications.
Nr 3; authoritarian agression is not just directed towards violations of conventionalism and authoritarian submission. (That is trait 1 and 2 in this list.) Fascists have tended to show emotional and practical hostility to offenders against all their traits. So trait 4: anti-intraception can be understood as hostility towards insufficiently stereotypical thinkers, against insufficient strength, and against insufficient destructivity and cynisism. (That is traits 5, 6 and 7.) And really, my impression is that most of them have tended to get pretty upset about wrong sex too.
However, both this modification and the original list might underestimate how important this negativity has been for actual fascists. The norwegian philosopher Harald Ofstad has proposed an understanding of fascism where disdain and hostility towards weakness is the central driving force. I think he makes a good argument - go check it out.
Finally, I think trait 7, penchant for destructivity and cynisism, misses the mark slightly. I would prefer to state it as a strong attraction to violence and transgression. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe fascists and protofascists are just really angry at stuff, and this anger causes thoughts about violence. But I don’t think so, I think it’s more often the other way round. They want to talk and think about violence, and working yourself up into a rage creates a permission to do that.
Just my thoughts. Apply them to modern politics as you like.
It makes sense for negativity not playing that big role in this particular assessment. After all it differentiates between actual fascists and those, who openly support them only when they are in power. Henceforth the lists of attributes is insufficient to describe actual fascists by design.
Yup. Right wingers have been amassing guns for years. They created Qanon and election lies in order to give themselves permission to use them.
i misread 'Nr 3; authoritarian' as 'NieR: Automata' and almost coughed my lungs out idk why
interesting and insightful comment. thanks!
You make a good point.
Who knew that a video breaking down fascism would attract fascists? :P
🙋🏻
They seem young and not very bright.
were growing
@@sonnypls8337 *we're
Its not really breaking down fascism, its pointing at morally questionable ideals and calling them fascist based on the demos of the person aspousing them. You people will never call a black supremacist a fascist, frankly you people don't know the difference between a fascist and an ultraliberal.
"sounds a bit like a...dogwhistle." snazzy
The reason it's called a dogwhistle is because only the "dogs" can hear it. Probably not a good choice of vocabulary.
@@captainphoenix It sounds like "Woooooooooosh"
It's a left-wing invention used to attack as racists people that have neither said nor done anything racist. The people they use it on are exclusively people who are disliked by actual Nativists.
@@Nemophilist850 Actually it's a right-wing invention by Southern Dixiecrats in the 60s to signal pro-segregation politics without pissing off moderates. Things like "Urban community", "hood", "Chicago", even "baggy jeans" so that politicians can say "Blacks" without actually saying black people. It's meant to be vague so that moderates can sort of nod their head and go "that sounds reasonable", while the actual racists get to still be racist.
@@cf3714 There's no such thing as dog whistle politics, there never has been. It amounts to a leftist conspiracy theory.
I can't believe I'm learning about facism after listening to a podcast about Anime
I thought the podcast was about shitting and bidets?
Trash taste gang!
This says a lot about society
I just got recommended this! Lols
i fuck with this
As a gay, disabled, Romani communist, I am inevitably a target for fascists. Their dog whistles ring loud in my ears.
As someone who is two of those four things by most definitions, I concur.
And then you have the denialists say shit like "well if you can hear the dogwhistles what does that make you" as if that means anything substantial whatsoever.
@@SamSphinxeople actually say that?😂 It makes us *observant*.
I suppose I'm 2.5 of those things myself comrades (I'm more of an anarcho-syndicalist do half a red flag lol, but I'm not sure fascists make such distinctions)
@@rickwrites2612 im an anarcho-syndicalist too comrade :D
Am 2/4 plus another.
And I agree, I can hear many of their Dogwhistles ringing in my ears
it took me reading this comment twice to realise you weren't romanian help
I actually really enjoyed the bird watching narrative. Very clever. And highly entertaining.
Birds aren't real
@@GaryGillKeeperok and?
You mean horses ?@@GaryGillKeeper
Hey Tom, what a video mate! I haven't come across anything THIS comprehensive about the socio-psychological roots of Fascism. Seriously, the labour you put in research is clearly visible. I'm a relatively new subscriber but I want you to know that your videos are really very well-made. Take a bow, man!
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Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@sabhishek9289 Na-zis weren't socialists in N-azi Germany teh government had big cooperation and control with corporations that's kind of a state capitalism tbh
@@__chinmay__ Corporatism is not capitalism. And the corporations in Nazi Germany were organs of the state. And Capitalism means non-state. So when you say "state capitalism", you are literally "state non-state" which is completely contradictory. It's like saying "cold heat" or "bright darkness".
He is wrong, though. The problem is that he is trying to educate people about fascism using cherrypicked capitalist sources that aren't addressing the defining feature of fascism: Anti-socialism.
Probably, his research was: "I read Wikipedia and then perused the recommended sources."
If you see an anti-socialist in a capitalist society that is failing, i.e. a person that is conservative in a capitalist society whose economy is undeniably going downhill, you are probably having a fascist at hand. Or something even more ridiculous (e.g. a monarchist). Imperial Japan is often lumped in with "fascism" even though they are more adequately described as imperials. They were monarchists. They just so happened to be part of the Nazi axis. Modern Japan is more aptly described as fascist. It's an ultra-capitalist society with deep hatred for socialism despite their capitalist system failing them for decades and leading to nothing but exploitation by the US empire.
The political purpose of fascism is exactly one thing: Conserve the traditional status quo when it comes to power structures in society by militantly opposing socialism.
Fascism isn't "difficult to define". That's just a propaganda narrative that the capitalist West has deliberately created to obfuscate what fascism is. The reason is obvious: The US is the quintessential fascist country. American fascism inspired German fascism and the Americans succeeded where the Nazis failed: Destroying the USSR and the socialist revolution in Europe.
If people actually understood what fascism is and why the Nazis did what they did, they wouldn't support capitalism and they wouldn't support the United States or other fascist empires.
For example: The Jews were targeted by the Nazis not because they were "Jewish" but because they were "spreading bolshevism". The Jews were hated by the Nazis due to them believing in the "Jewish world conspiracy" (i.e. the conspiracy theory that communism was invented by Jews to destroy everyone's identity and turn them into servants of the Jewish world state, thereby taking over the planet forcing all non-Jews to comply with Jewish dictatorship).
@@sabhishek9289 based king
You're like SFW, or Less Thirsty PhilosophyTube, and frankly I admire the hell out of it.
Haha, the last thing anyone needs is to see me in the bath...
But the thirst is the best part of philosophy tube.
@@Nanook128 honestly
Well, why not? :D
@@Nanook128 the thirst for clear understanding. ....admittedly the line between the types of thirsts blurs a lot th-cam.com/video/l5S1fftQe28/w-d-xo.html
The psychologists that published this book in 1950 must have performed the formal research during the mid to late 40's but, having lived through the rise of Hitler some of them would have been informed by personal experience going back to the 30's and maybe earlier. I mentally noted while watching the video how many of the factors present in pre-war Germany are present in present day USA -- I found myself ticking off many boxes of similarity, too many boxes, way too many boxes.
Someone said that when fascism comes to America it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible. Sound familiar?
Now, how many of those factors were present in pre-war America? Especially in the immediate aftermath of the onset of the Great Depression, it was far, far, far more. However, America did not fall into Fascism then, just as it is not about to now.
The state itself is an inherently authoritarian concept, of course, so in that sense its current neoliberal phase, that has lasted since the 70s at least, should strike parallels with any other authoritarian.
The Frankfurt School was not an unbiased group of scientists like you seem to think, it was a political group with political goals who matched their research to their argument not the argument to the research.
@@0scarWalsh "The dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States, and yet lands only in Europe"
Psychologists and experts, always write a book about the subject after the event has taken place.
Maybe it would be far more advantages to discuss amongst themselves and write the book, pre event and not twenty odd years after?
Just found your channel and probably for the first time I feel like I found a creator that reflects and expands my views exactly. Thank you for your interesting work!
there is a catch in the video, he never told, Adorno and the others created the School for the New Marxism, or also known as The Frankfurt School, they are communists, they laid out the basis for the woke movement. That is why this guy is just teaching you propaganda
@@TheEdudo so "facists are racist" is propaganda now?
@@kaidoust4145 as always have been. You better really study the differences between fascism and NS, and the origins deep rooted in Darwin´s theory of evolution. Do not take this video pamphlet seriously
@@TheEdudo Name a fascist state that did not suppose the "natural born" members of that state to be inherently superior to all others.
@@kaidoust4145yep, if you actually read about fascism its a different type of government to national socialism. Fascism espouces conservatism but it isnt necessarily racial. Its meant to function as a "national rejuvination" ideology. It views the Nation, not the Race. You can see this reflected in Egelbert Dollfuss' Austria which was in alliance with the Jewish minority against the National Socialists in Austria.
Another interesting thing you sort of met at a tangent was the idea of the existence of different types of American conservative. This is something I am no expert in but have noticed in the past (I used to be pretty politically active). The basic idea is that there are two kinds of people who could theoretically both be labeled "conservative" in the united states but generally hold polar opposite views. The first is the more authoritarian conservative who is more likely to desire an authoritative leader, express strong religious views, and demand cultural conformity. The second is, from my perspective at least, a unique product of American history. The founding principles of the United States historically have been a separation of church and state, the assumption of human equality, limited government authority, etc. All very not facist ideas, but since these are generally consider the "old ways" of America anyone who firmly holds onto those principles in the United States is technically considered a conservative. This may be why the scales get a little funky when you look at conservatives. I'd be interested to see if that happens in Europe or other parts of the world.
The second ones are generally called liberals, because the actual name of this line of though is "Liberalism" americans just messed the concepts.
Classic liberalism means capitalism, but with unlimited liberty, freedom of speech, etcetera.
Classic liberals were predominantly businessmen, traders, industrialists, and were the first ones to condemn slavery and I consider myself one. The current meaning for the word "Liberal" in the US is a misconception.
It's a shame that leftwingers can't tell the difference, when it's a night and day difference.
@@joaocarlospartel8867 I miss the good old days when "liberal" actually meant something, until Obama came along and militarized the police. Nowadays liberals are just Karens calling the police over everything.
This is an important observation you have made
Us conservatives have been trying to tell you guys this ever since you started labeling *all* of us as (pOtEnTiAL) fascists.
in South Texas a gunman was not stopped by police while 19 children and 2 teachers were executed . the police would not allow anyone to try to save the students their own children . thank you for this i am non conformist and anti-war activist , but know suffer from a slight case of Stockholm syndrome and no longer able to leave my apartment from too much torture . this is really helpful to remind me of my original values .
Dude are you okay!?!
@@skygard49 the answer is definitely no. someone hit up the FBI
A fascist wants to disarm the people like the Nazi's did.
You ok?
@@thorbjornson533 anyone but them they train these guys to do fucked shit 😭
Judging from some of the statements offered in the questionnaire, I don't feel comforted that most people are "centrist" about Jews and other minority groups.
I don't understand is that a bad thing
Fish hook theory is fun. That centrists will love fascists over moderate right wingers, because fascists promise a perfection of status quo and combatting against any social changes
@CMDR Beamee This is quite literally a logical fallacy
@@bubblegumbabeface6629 which one?
@@cwac doesn’t need a name. Centrism by its very nature cannot be extreme, therefor fascism, an extreme ideology, can never truly be centrist. The fallacy is that the statement is a contradiction.
It’s kinda ironic a video on fascists has brought all the fascists out going “good I hope you die” or “good you are all degenerates”
Like for a bunch of people they pull the “you call everyone you disagree with fascists” you sure are getting ultra defensive about fascists…
Hmm if it quacks like a duck…
Seriously, what happened to this video within the algorithm? Why is there a sudden surge of fascism apologists in the comment section over the past few months?
You call everyone you disagree with a fascist!! They’re bad!!!
But also if you make a video about why fascism is bad I will get offended and defensive as if it’s a personal attack…
You’re telling me this ISNT Neville Longbottom from Icarly?
this is an underrated comment omg
@@sabhishek9289 this is completely unrelated to this comment? what the fuck
Love the intro! You should do that style more.
Thanks! Just wrote in another comment that I was very much in two minds about it... Glad you liked it though, looking forward to hearing what everyone thinks!
I liked it, too. It's always good to see people spread their creative wings, so to speak.
@@Tom_Nicholas Everyone loves a little theater. Might say that the metaphor was sometimes a little strained, but the style is definitely something to keep.
Haha, my PhD (which I'm hoping to finish in the next week or so) is in theatre (and I've worked in theatre for most of my adult life, so I've got some chops to draw on. Not usually a fan of being the one doing the acting though so don't expect any full-on "characters" even if there is a skit or two every now and then (although I currently have zero ideas for what such a skit might look like in my next video so maybe not every time)...
your profile pic is epic
It would be really interesting to make a follow up video going deeper into the points you talked about in the conclusion. I feel like learning what concrete things work to prevent radicalization and to de-radicalize, both as individuals and as a society is probably the most important political contribution we can make these days. I'm frankly scared that I don't know how to do that.
Anyway, that's for the (again) amazing content!! Keep it up!!
Edit: I meant "Thanks" 😅
Thanks for your thanks! I don’t how equipped I am to talk about what strategies might be most successful for deradicalisation. I find Innuendo Studios’ videos really interesting for thinking about that though. If the conclusion of this video is that engaging with the minutes of arguments is not always the most useful way forward, I think the strategies for engaging with far-right talking points forwarded in the Alt-Right Playbook series offer some that might be.
Hey, João.
One way to "prevent radicalization" is to not work to destroy the economy and the moral fabric of a society.
You can't "deradicalize" any significant part of any ideological movement without violence. To think so is blatantly egotistical. The concepts of fascism are mainly deeply rooted within one's personality. Same thing goes with communism. It actually has little to do with ideas. The only people who you'll ever convert to your side are the intellectually and self understanding weak people who only join movements to fit in. Those are not people who you want on your side.
And I don't know if this needs to be said but the cause of radicalization is obviously alienation. People who are on the hunt constantly for like minded friends and a place to fit in will find radical communities appealing. The real way to end this push to the extreme is to give kids a sense of community and belonging. It's simple enough on paper but a herculean task in practice
Both the most shocking and, in hindsight, the most obvious personality trait, was the obsession with other people's sex lives. It sounds absurd, but when you think about it, it's so true especially in those "alpha-male" podcasts and those bigoted family members always asking if you have a girlfriend and if she's hot when you're gay and just wanna be left alone😂
I think that's part of the reason why there is such a huge push against LGBT (especially the T) folks lately, because they focus so much on how "deviant" queer sex lives are, that they sexualize every interaction a gay person has. Which is why they get so angry when gay or trans people interact with children. They only see queer people as sexual deviants, so when they interact with children, they see it as inherently sexual and get outraged.
It doesn't matter if it is the most benign interaction ever, they see gay = sex and get outraged.
Ugh, yes. It reminds me of the intensity of scrutiny of other people’s worth that Gen Z seems deeply invested in. It’s made me more determined to draw lines on what’s acceptable in a careful way because a lot of it is creating outgroups to intensively bully if they have multiple partners, and reviving the idea of self-pleasure being inherently unhealthy
Yep. Another obvious one is scouring people's past internet activity in order to find dirt on them. Like they'd find a single joke they made years ago that looks like a dog whistle for another ideology and immediately rule that person as just that. I've seen people outright stop watching youtubers out of fear they believe in something they don't. If that's not fascism, I don't know what is.
@dskarma-jt1nb
Ha ha, I see what you're doing. Sorry, if you're "joking" about how me and my family shouldn't exist or shouldn't have human rights, i don't want to watch your content. But also, people not watching your content isn't fascism.
@dskarma-jt1nb that's a stupid thing to say. If I have the suspicion that a youtuber that I like watching might secretly (or not-so-secretly) think things that lead to the destruction of my community in many places, I will look for those kinds of things. If I find any, or find other remarks that lead to that conclusion, I will stop watching them. That's not fascism, it's self-preservation and not supporting what harms you.
Great video! I am Brazilian, and unfortunately I can see how much regular people are susceptible to authoritarianism and fascism. Individualism and lack of empathy are also important factors.
Yeah, I mentioned in another comment that I was really in two minds about how many connections to make to the present. In the end I decided on letting people draw some of those links themselves.
Coming from someone with a sibling whos just too dumb to see they're fascist (they say all the bs and dog whistles a Nazi says, even goes Jewish question whenever they don't understand how a study disputes their claims)
They target vulnerable folk, like bi-polar people and survivors of abuse
It's much easier to get unstable people to believe irrational things
Fascism is inherently anti-individualistic. Group identity is elevated above all else. In America, individualistic ideals are utilized by fascists. It’s sort of a bait and switch because the failings of marginalized people are blamed on individuals’ choices as opposed to their circumstances and then the patterns of individuals’ choices are used to essentialize negative traits to justify bigotry.
@@maxm7584 Blaming marginalised people for their own suffering is fairly ubiquitous across English speaking neo-liberal societies though. It's certainly something that happens a lot in the UK and is certainly exploited by the far-right over here as well.
@@Aconitum_napellus yeah for sure. That's happened all over the world throughout history, not just English speaking neo-liberal societies. I was just speaking on my own country because it's what I know first hand.
The italian movie The Conformist had a main character whose personality was based on this book.
It seems to me that most people, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum, are more influenced by narrative and less by logic and reason.
I think you might be right, which would indicate to me that a good historical education which is rooted as much as possible in material analysis is very important in reducing one's vulnerability to propaganda.
Andrew Jacks amen...definitely true
most people adopt the "logic and reason" of the narrative they like best
that is, you can be a logical as you can be, but if your axioms are garbage, logic won't help you be less garbage
and lots of people that view themselves as "logical and reasonable" are MORE likely to have garbage axioms (see: nu-Atheism's dark turn circa 2011).
@@azertyQ People aren't even logical with their "garbage axioms". They're applied when it supports their narrative and ignored or "deconstructed" when it hurts their narrative.
@@andrewjacks2716 Degrading all other methods of understanding as propaganda, except for material analysis, sounds dogmatic.
I realised that this is not a bird video
Birds aren't real
I was distracted by the T Rex on the T Shirt and was feed to the algorithm.
It's my favourite t-shirt and I'm beginning to worry that it's featured a bit heavily in my videos recently to the point people might think it's the only top I own. Time to buy some more cool t-shirts I think!
@@Tom_Nicholas an authoritarian scale T-shirt or an ornithologist especialized on Facisticus Potencialus.
Aren't birds the last remaining dinosaurs or something? I hadn't thought of that but let's pretend that was an intentional decision.
Ronaldo Luiz Pedroso haha i am currently reading jurassic park and it was also the first thing that caught my eye!
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
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As someone who likes to observe and sometimes engage in politics, when my sanity can handle it, this was a really interesting video. I think the presentation was great and the study sounds like quite the read.
I'm sure it's not a perfect study but lets not forget that this is only a partial summary of the whole thing.
I think this sort of research is fascinating and while it can be implemented poorly, I think we can look into the psychology behind these things without vilification of personality traits, people who posses them or/and how they come about. Understanding/knowledge is our biggest asset after all.
I think the comments are quite phenomenal as well. Many interesting takes and additions to the video's contents.
Also, the intro was brilliant! As a bird enthusiast I found it very neat xd
Umberto Eco was my mum’s professor of Semiotics at University in the mid-80s in Bologna: she always tells me that he was extremely mean but he was actually a genius
Describes half my professors hahaha
Dunno if you can call him that
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
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Fact: Including Musolini's mistress who was jewish, there were atleast 10,000 jews in the fascist party of Italy which accounts for about 1/3rd of the Jewish adult population in Italy. So why does everyone think that fascists are racists and hates jews? As George Orwell pointed out: "... Some fascist movements are not anti Semitic..."
Orwell was correct and the original fascism wasn't anti-Semitic or racist at all. So what's going on here? To know that, watched the linked video: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@sabhishek9289 “the fascists were basically patriotic marxists.”
That’s funny, because in the video you linked that does a “perfect job explaining fascism” includes a quote form OG fascist Mussolini clearly stating that dismantling the bourgeoisie was not a goal of the fascist.
And really? The only difference is that fascists are nationalistic? There are not other differences? Let’s see about that…
Fascism typically relies on a strict social hierarchy, something Marxists tend to disagree with. Fascists don’t believe in workers owning the means of production. Fascists are anti-communist. Fascists are typically socially conservative, Marxists are typically socially progressive. Fascism is inherently authoritarian, but the same is not always true for Marxists. The fascists aren’t just patriotic, they’re downright jingoistic. I mean… the list could go on.
It’s funny. I did find someone who might agree with you while I was doing some fact checking: A. James Gregor. He’s a eugenicist who supports segregation if you aren’t familiar. There’s actually a long line of white supremacists who are trying to distance fascism from the far right by comparing it to Marxism. And you’re either proof that it’s working, or you’re one of them.
Very good summary. Surprising how you managed to avoid mentioning that the authoritarian character is essentially the compulsive neurotic character of psychoanalysis.
Tom, this is some amazing content! I just found it recently but have thoroughly enjoyed every video I've watched including this! Well researched, well edited, and well delivered video essays that are CITED are so nice
Gotta love how people say fascism is like improv theatre. It's a "Yes, and..." situation. Still this video really draws you in at 10:30. There are so many people who I know like this... and they all remind me of people in some other medical categories too.
A.G.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@UCvskmPLq6uZlJXw64JuV9-A get up on outta here
But any tribalistic ideology is a yes and situation.
@@sabhishek9289 would you stop copy-pasting your comment everywhere?? repeating something doesn't makes your reasoning heard, only the literal words and it won't bring anything forward.
@@sabhishek9289 get that horse shoe theory bs out of here
love the conclusion; promotion of solidarity and the deconstruction of power. words to live by :)
Oh my, why is this trending, I wonder? 😅
Your conclusion where you said we should try to build our society on solidarity and that we should not strive for power but for deconstructing it reminded me of a quote from a german punk band :"Keine Macht für niemand". Translating roughly to"no power for nobody".
Rauch Haus ist besser XD
What a terrible goal. It literally isn't possible, it's built on complete ignorance of human nature, and will inevitably result in unlimited suffering. Power is something that will always exist. You can either let yourself be helpless, or you can choose to become powerful, and protect others from those who would become powerful for the purpose of exploiting others.
Man, such a pleasure to find a video like this! It's like an audio book version on a research paper and I'm really into it! I enjoyed this a lot, more than many other video essays!
Fact: Including Musolini's mistress who was jewish, there were atleast 10,000 jews in the fascist party of Italy which accounts for about 1/3rd of the Jewish adult population in Italy. So why does everyone think that fascists are racists and hates jews? As George Orwell pointed out: "... Some fascist movements are not anti Semitic..."
Orwell was correct and the original fascism wasn't anti-Semitic or racist at all. So what's going on here? To know that, watched the linked video: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@sabhishek9289 He's manipulative arsehole that makes videos saying "hurr nobody talks about this it's a conspiracy hurr I'm breaking new ground" when in actual fact he's using the most mainstream sources imaginable that a first year University student would read studying Fascism & Nat Socialism and he's just making quasi-to-outright libertarian propaganda. What you just said was also absolute nonsense in historical terms.
@@abhisheks295 Oh you are the same guy. Wow. Imagine getting your second account to try back you up. Is this you TIK you egomaniac?
@@taranullius9221 I used my second account because TH-cam kept deleting my comments.
@@abhisheks295 While nobody anywhere in scholarship equates Mussolini's Italy with Hitler's Germany in terms of being as racist or anti-Semitic, TIK is as usual lying about the representations in all academia just to make himself look good even though nobody ever made the point he says we do like once at all every anywhere and again, if you rea all the books in his own source list that he knows you'll never read you'll see nobody ever claimed anything close to what he says, Mussolini did implement repressive legislation against Jews in 1938 including getting rid of Jews in media and government and banning marriage between Jews and non-Jews so there are echoes of the Eugenics/racial purity of Hitler's Germany even if it wasn't enforced as strictly. It is there, just nowhere near on par. Also one might consider the echoes of racism to be found in the Ethiopian campaign of conquest and plunder in 1935 as an example.
One of my favorite bits is telling people about a place that used to give loans to newlyweds to buy a house and start a family
How they would knock 20-25% off the loan for each kid they had.
Their eyes light up, "wow! Where was this magical place!?"
I think you're missing some context here.
The reason for the pro-children policies of the Nazis was so they could use them to populate the Lebensraum they would be conquering in the East.
I presume your friends weren't wanting children so they could settle in South America when the US government conquered it?
Sometimes I ask people if they like to pet dogs. If they say yes, I point out that Hitler also liked to pet dogs, and so I have tricked them into admitting that they are similar to Hitler. I am very smart.
@@japanpanda2179 Usually dead silence from the person I'm responding to, and then several months later someone comments on it and I have to try and remember what the heck I was commenting on in the first place. Discombobulating.
@@AlexReynard so your an leftist ?
@@AlexReynardget discombobulated.
Nothing could be more racist, more fascist, or more supremacist than believing that you are the chosen people of God.
So... the Jewish?
@@as7river quite alot of religions
@Helperbot-2000 every religion, no? Because to have a stalwart belief of your own religion you have to, in a way, discount the validity of every other religion because _your religion_ is the right one and conversely, every other religion is the wrong one.
12:21 in this video is introspective to me personally as I'm sure it can be to many, as I spent 10 months as a stay at home dad had a hard time with it. Not in the sense that I was not the breadwinner, I am proud of my wife and her professional accomplishments. But in the sense that even with my duties of maintaining the home and caring for our child I felt isolated and on a deeper level almost unneeded in relation to our capitalistic ideals . I feel an urge on an almost unconscious level to work for the benefit of my family which is very interesting. While I have always been a proud supporter of all women to choose their own paths those months showed me in an intangible way how so many women can feel trapped in their lives, and helped further my understanding of their struggle. But at the end of the day, man, woman, fluid, the very concept of feeling like one needs to be trading labor for existence at the price dictated by faceless multinational corporations is bullshit.
Legendary comment you are the type of dad a lot dream of having. Best wishes to your family.
So we need to trade labor at the price dictated by the government?
That sounds familiar... A government system where businesses operate at the command and behest of the government... Wait... That's literally how a Fascist economy works...
You probably feel this way because you sense that your wife resents being the breadwinner and has lost respect for you. The breadwinner masculine ideal is rooted nowhere but in women's expectations and desires. All evidence suggests this, which is why married men out earn women and unmarried men, for instance. What's really interesting is why you can't see this. It's because you're incapable of thinking of women as having agency, which is exactly what the patriarchy of yore was based on, this idea that men had an obligation to protect women and provide for them.
As an Indian it is extremely disheartening to see that there is a section of people within India who are fascists and they exercise considerable power to steer the course of politics.
alas, they call themselves "true hindu". as a heathen i see too much shit of that kind
Same here in Bangladesh. People be like, "Oh they're persecuting Muslims in India, so it's justified if we do literally the same to our minorities." They can't seem to understand power dynamics and how it's minorities who always get fucked regardless of where they are.
It's great to see an indian here !!
India had always been and will always be fascist bc of the state religion. Caste systems can't be equitable lol
@@paddycraig right.u see at belfast when englishmen enslaved irish...
Speaking of destructiveness and vilification, this reminds me of how these people are always opposed to fighting for a better world, convinced that it is impossible and that humans are all as greedy as they are!!
Whilst I was writing that part, I had a bunch of right-wingers jumping into the comments on my video about Whiteness and it was really interesting seeing their interpretation of anti-racism as being about the subjugation of white people. There was just a complete inability to see a world without race-based power structures; in their minds there always had to be one group in power over the other...
believe me, they are the ones who are fighting for a better world with the most zeal
Tom Nicholas
I get called a nazi for saying there’s not as many Nazis as people say.
Seems like maybe some white people are actually being silenced from any real dialogue.
That sucks.
I’ve seen blm shut down asian speakers before at the university of Toronto because they started talking about white people helping them with racism from black people.
I’ve seen blm groups tell gay people to basically piss off, they aren’t included, despite their history with police raids too.
It’s not just white supremacists man.
I think half this stuff is pure garbage and I’ve been deeply obsessed with racism my whole life.
Votes Trudeau twice and Obama was my favourite president. I agree with burning cop stations and property but none of the looting.
It’s not all so simple.
Tom Nicholas
Also grew up in native and black neighborhoods my whole life, and watched people’s lives fall apart as they blamed white people, and even had the nerve to tell me my family (who got here in the late thirties early forties) we’re responsible for their problems, while getting drunk on a work night.
When you claim all these issues are because of racism, then the real issues that aren’t being addressed, aren’t being addressed.
One of my best friends mom got a settlement from the residential school stuff, and it messed her whole life up. Thats reperations.
It’s so ridiculously complex, and y’all just say, ah shit it’s racism.
@@ard1805 They're blaming white people because white people refused to sell them homes in nice places where the good jobs all moved to. That's why they drink on the job, because the job is miserable and underpays them. Yeah, it is complex: racism is complex.
That there is some sectarian infighting on social justice movements is not an excuse to act counter revolutionary.
As someone who was very auth right earlier in life I can confirm I had atleast most of these traits… I still have one or two of them today, clearly something I’ll have to work on
What caused you to go down a different path and end up where you are today?
good on you, proud of you for that. it’s very hard to break your worldview
@@Willow.9765 well for one, im trans and gay and repressing those parts of me hurt me alot and second i took time away from politcal spaces due to quite severe mental health issues and reassessed my stances
@@thegoosling8947look into the enneagram 9 personality types. Understand that part of your temperament was simply born alongside you and there's little you can do.
However you can take these feelings and thoughts and use them in positive ways.
The kind of person who finds great injustice in this world and sees problems every where (especially within themselves) can do great good in this world when focused properly like Batman, MLK, Malcolm X. But when you give in to your basest desires you are capable of great atrocities think Thanos or Hitler.
It's work but will lead to a better more fulfilling life and who knows, maybe you'll make the world a little bit better and that's not too shabby.
@@hajihajiwa or maybe that worldview sis imply correct
The idea that fascism adapts and is not always going to look the same is incredibly important. Also, that fascists always lie about who they are (if they even realize they are fascists).
Great vid. 👍
Sooo
Does this mean fascists are in a constant game of secret hitler?
The prosecution need never cease, for it is in the hunt for the heretic we find our own absolution. We are affirming what is moral, good and pious as we flagellate.
I'm a fascist
I agree, just look at antifa.
no fascist will deny being a fascist. i myself am a fascist specifically a national socialist.
-finishes watching vid
-looks at painting of the God-Emperor wanting to die in his name
Me: Nah ... they're the crazy ones.
what does this comment mean
When the emperor's light is thy torch, you will see in the end :)
@@CriticalHitRoll In Warhammer 40k man is subservient to the God-Emperor and his Imperium of Mankind. The Imperium is extremely authoritarian and very demanding with the most dangerous and demanding mandatory military service imaginable. Despite the brutalities and nature of things, in order to defend humanity, it is also one of the greatest honors to die in the Emperor's name and help mankind continue.
Oh a fellow loyal subject of our Undying Lord I see. I salute thee.
For the emperor!!!!!!!!!!!
These stock footage shown during personality traits rundown are so generic and cheesy in an almost endearing way.
Reminds me of Half As Interesting
Black and white footages of crowds = BAD
Colorful footages of a mixed races = GOOD
@@majorhumbert676 what are you talking about
@Eric Osagie he is saying that he misses Hitler rallies I guess
@@burgermind802 How dare western nations not allow millions from the 3rd world take over their country and destroy their children heritage , they clearly must be facist haters and racists
Man didn't make it about naming any current politicians either. He coulda just said "supports Trump, thanks for watching" but he went in depth and was entertaining
Wow thanks for letting me know that half the USA is fascist! It’s odd that democracy still stand than Isn’t it?
@@KaiserCeaser Hopefully not for long.
Dont walk run productions has done good videos on trump and biden. They're not 5secs long though
Correction: "How To Spot a Based Epic Gamer"
Gamers are the most oppressed minority on earth.
GAMERS DO NOT DESERVE RIGHTS
@@quixotes4478 we dont need rights, we take them
America First is INEVITABLE
@@scouttrooperhh-1487 inevitably going to kill us all, yes.
There is a German film called Die Welle (The Wave) which is about a teacher who starts educating his students about the Nazis. And how it influences them.
It escalates in an interesting way. You might want to check it out.
That film is based on real events that happened in the USA. Look up the third wave experiment.
Pretty good movie. Watched it in my German 2 class back in high school.
I think I might have seen it as a kid.
While it's an interesting story don't buy into it too much. The original story is actually not as bad as it is made to seem. I remember coming across a blog where a man became so interested in that story that he tracked down some of the kids who went to that school and their account of that experiment do not match up with how the teacher explains it.
@@AB-zu1bx Source?
Sometimes I feel that you can tell what a person really thinks about others just based on the way they present their information.
No foolin'
Here after Election Day
There’s a really interesting book called “Parenting for a Peaceful World” by Robin Grille - which looks at the dominant child-rearing techniques within different societies and the way they set up the conditions (shape the personalities) which then allow fascistic and totalitarian groups to come to power. The book has some problematic elements but still Super fascinating! Might be up your alley!
Later in this book, there's a lot of discussion of childhood (most of the researchers had some background in psychoanalysis and its traces are all over the book). I'm the same in being a bit undecided as to how useful I think the "blame it on the parents" approach is, although I think the broader ways in which a person's personality is shaped by the society they live in are vital to interrogate. I'll try and take a look at Grille's book if I get a chance at some point, thanks for the recommend!
Bob Altmeyer found something similar. He noted such personalities often manifests in kids raised by stern parents who take a "Because I said so," approach and emphasize that the world is a dangerous place they need to be tough to protect those children from, their parenting style quite likely being informed by their own authoritarianism. If the kid breaks the rules at some point and finds themselves worse off, it tends to reinforce the authoritarianism, and if the kid breaks the rules and finds that things weren't as bad as their parent said, it tends to weaken the authoritarianism.
Other things which weakened authoritarianism were distance from family and exposure to more people in the out-group (such as is often the case at universities) while some things that strengthened it were threats from outside and having children of their own (both things which might induce new kinds of fears that make a person more sensitive to potential threats.)
Thank you for the recommendation!
@@FearlessSon Family is not often necessarily has to be someone who you have blood tied relations with.
@@MatPost In this case, it's whomever is raising you and the community they raise you in. For example, a strict religious family who treats adoption as a kind of evangelism and tries to raise those kids in isolation from secular influences would count even if they're not blood-related.
I'm a simple man: when I hear fascisticus potentialicus and fascisticus actualicus in a British accent at 2.0 playback speed, I have no idea what he's talking about. 🙃
@@witchdoctorgames5011 I am at 14:29 and all I can think of is ' "They look just like us!" - The study '
@@witchdoctorgames5011 I like how you replied to 8 month old comment
@@witchdoctorgames5011 You deny that there is a subgroup of fascists that do not consider themselves so? Think of fascism as a mental disorder or brainworms. Certain ideologies can actually rot your brain *the royal society, The cognitive and perceptual correlates of ideological attitudes: a data-driven approach* and block out some of your intellectual abilities. People become fascist without ever reading a purely fascist book or seeing propaganda because it's just like shutting your brain off. Your friends could turn you fascist by feeding you talking points about nationalism and immigration, and of course a fall from glory.
Endlich jemand mit einem gewissen Maß an Verstand...
I wonder if it will ever be acceptable to discuss fascism as a form abusive social relationship. The participants in fascism certainly exhibit behavior of people stuck in a cycle of suffering and perpetrating abuse.
I'd recommend you look up the video "How the Alt Right is like an abusive relationship" by Innuendo Studios
I would recommend you read what the fascist purpose, as only listening to those opposed to it, is like only listening to what steven crowder tells you about socialism.
@Joe Average it would be propositions not purposes, and no, fascists never get to tell anyone what they believe, you only get to hear it from people opposed to it and will tell you anything to stop you learning what it believes. Do you think anti-communists will tell you the nuances of communism? do you think anti-socialists will tell you the nuances of socialism?
@@herecomesaregular8418 Than tell me what fascism is since you are so well versed in it.
There's probably a better word for particular forms of abusive relationships than one as historically loaded as fascism.
I like that this is an actual explanation, not just "someones a facist if you disagree with them"
The stuff about the fetishisation of dominance/submission power dynamics and obsession with sex just made me realise that the "tradwife" community are actually living a 24/7 kink lifestyle.
Projection much.
It's really funny to see how similar tradwife stuff is to slave/master relationships.
@@NIHIL_EGO it isn't? That's like saying all Muslim wives are slaves to their husbands? What are you an islamophobe?
@@nikhilsilva5244 Honey, you can have any type of relationship you want, as long as all parties give consent (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧
Is that not what all society is like?
Should've made the birds in the opening jokes black pigeons.
Nice
Black pigeons are interesting creatures. There is a common myth that black pigeons speak, but this pidgin contains no substance so cannot be said to be actual speech. It's just echolalic gibberish like, "BRAAAK! Soros Gates mask genocide! BRAAAK!"
Fact: Including Musolini's mistress who was jewish, there were atleast 10,000 jews in the fascist party of Italy which accounts for about 1/3rd of the Jewish adult population in Italy. So why does everyone think that fascists are racists and hates jews? As George Orwell pointed out: "... Some fascist movements are not anti Semitic..."
Orwell was correct and the original fascism wasn't anti-Semitic or racist at all. So what's going on here? To know that, watched the linked video: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@abhisheks295 af course sources are missing
@@scienceium5233 the creator of the video he linked subscribed Sargon of Akkad and has a video about the antisemitism of Karl Marx (a jew btw), I think the chances of sources and valid argumentation are quite low...
First of all, I just discovered you and I am in love with your content.
I'm left leaning which probably is no surprise to anyone gathering at your corner of youtube but I could actually see myself in some of these descriptions. It's not easy to admit and I'm also expecting to be called a sheeple and be inundated with comments suggesting I'm of lesser intelligence. I think my point is that I can empathize with what happens and why it happens because I myself know I fall into these 'traps'.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@sabhishek9289 fascism is far right authoritative ultranationalism 💀
@@bulcanyaaa That's soviet/communist propaganda. Nationalism has nothing to do with right or left wing which is something you and most other people should understand. Fascio literally means bundle. Fascists in fascist Italy refers to trade/labour unions (Naxis are not Fascists. In face Naxis are different breed altogether.). Fascists about which the socialist/Marxist historians won't tell you is that Fascists are left leaning.
@@sabhishek9289 fucking hell dude. Fucking hell. Either you're really ignorant or you're trying to trick folks for shady fucking reasons. Fascists in Italy arose SPECIFICALLY to prevent the socialist party and workers' unions from gaining power. Similar story in Germany. Both the Fascisti and the Nazis jailed and killed socialists merely for being socialist. Hitler was chummy with HENRY FUCKING FORD, THE POSTER BOY OF 2ND INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION AMERICAN CAPITALISM.
@@bulcanyaaa Yeah this dude is all over the comments section for this video posting the same introductory comment then going off with his political Star Wars theories about Fascism to anyone that responds. Dude is far out about defending Fascism.
superb. I am still chuckling over the birds but it quickly transformed into a learned disquisition on the authoritarian mindset. Really excellent video.
I wish you had released this while I was doing my degree 2 years ago!! Literally studied all of this and its so fascinating
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@sabhishek9289 arre hasayega kya bro
@@sirantisocial9681 Watch the video I linked.
Perfect timing. Just bought this book and did not realize it was 1000 pages. The use value is high with this one
Yeah, it is quite lengthy. Beyond its length though, fairly accessible in terms of writing style.
@@Tom_Nicholas Oh cool man thanks for answering, your video was a perfect primer. I love your videos and also really like the creativity and the humor at the beginning, it was really funny. But thanks for the reply, I think that this might be next on the list
Adorno was a Marxist - an ideology which has caused far more pain and suffering than any "Fascist regime". The Authoritarian Personality only appeals to bitter leftists with daddy issues
@@fletcherhanks3073 Is that so? It always amuses me how people manage to subsume all of marxist theory, all of its different variants, beginning with the left-hegelians, marx, engels, lenin, the different stands when it comes to reformism, to revolution, to the soviet union, trotzki, all the inner-left quarrels and struggles under the one term 'marxism', as if all of these people basically had the same ideas. marxism is not some obscure idea that 'everything should belong to everyone' as it seems to be taught in the us or as some left-liberals seem to vulgarly interpret it, for the past 150 it has been one of the three defining political views. surely there are things one can find critical about adorno and the frankfurt school, but these can be found among marxist as well, just take an orthodox such as lukacz as an example. on the other hand exist critiques by adorno's main opponent during the 50s and 60s: gehlen or valid critiques on dialectical and historical materialism by liberals such as ernst topitsch.
tl;dr: marxism is not one single theory and making marx responsible for stalinism or maoism is a rather weak argument.
Die Rewe 91448 Emskirchen don’t bother trying to debate a fascist. They don’t care about nuance or facts, they simply spout emotional appeal and things that sound good. It doesn’t matter to them that anti-communism has ingrained patently false claims into everyone’s psyche because that is what they want. To attempt to debate this type of dishonesty puts facts against ever changing and uncaring dishonesty.
I'm always amazed that such high-quality, informative videos like this one can be watched for free! Thanks so much Tom
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
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@@sabhishek9289 a very often occuring faux argument fascists like to use is the fact that the Nazis in Germany did in fact call themselves socialists. however, it does not really matter what you call yourself when you then kill millions of people because you deemed them inferior
@@chayew4660 Killing millions does not disprove that you are a socialist. I don't know where you got that logic or reasoning.
@@chayew4660 here is the first hand accounts of a holocaust survivor: th-cam.com/video/2ro0foFx354/w-d-xo.html
Her testimony proves that Nazi Germany is indeed a socialist country. And you can't call her a fascist for stating facts.
@@sabhishek9289 congratulations! you just won the "Darwin" prize for: *drumroll* being the living proof that humans evolved from monkeys! Thank you for your incredible contribution to science
i stopped paying attention to the video about a minute in because i was too busy reading comments
I've heard about a study made on stupidity, not as a psychological, but as a sociological behavior. That study was centered around the same subject of the video : why people followed the fascists ideals and horrors with such conformity? It explained that “stupidity”, to the opposite of malice, isn't something that people know how to deal with. Because of this, there was little in the way of individuals taking advantage of that behavior for whatever objective they may have.
But what causes that sociological “stupidity”? That reminded me about a project I made in philosophy classes. One of the sources I used for the work was an article made by a French psychologist about pre-masticated ideas and the tendency in humans to follow those ideas. Though, she used religious beliefs as base for her vulgarisation instead of fascism. She explained that humans, when it comes to interpreting the complex world that surrounds them, need to invest a lot of time and effort to make thoughtful and thorough conclusions. Thanks to the abundance of different ideas and beliefs, we sometimes prefer to adopt those pre-existing beliefs instead of using our own rational mind to interpret and understand our environment. She writes that people who adopt these ideologies without a second thought could do so for many reasons. It can be because they agree with and re enforces the world view the person already have, it could be because it gives them a sense of comfort, hides their vulnerabilities and it could also be because it gives to these people a sense of importance, a sense of duty, it makes them feel special and tells them that they are not insignificant.
This points me to this video. Why do some people blindly follow these made up ideas and beliefs? As we've seen, the characteristic traits which were common to most potential fascists also hinted at something else : a lot of these individuals showed signs of insecurity, uncertainty and discomfort towards their current political and sociological situation. They agreed with statements which said that they had something to prove, that the present socio-economical structure hindered their potential as an invested and determined human being : they felt insignificant. The ideals of fascism agreed with the beliefs and ideas people already had gave them this sense of security and comfort and above all, gave them a feeling of importance, speciality and significance.
Though, there is still one issue left to discuss : Why do these individuals try to keep the fascist system in place? For the ones that ever heard about the “cavern allegory” by the Greek philosopher Platon, you may already know the answer. The reasons why “fascisticus potentialicus” deliberately tries to keep the status quo are the same ones that explains why he adopted the authoritarian ideology in the first place. This individual has found an ideal that brings him security, comfort and importance, and now that he has a sense of fulfillment, he is not about to let it go. These people have such an attachment to this feeling that they sometimes consider it their reason to live and anything that questions this foundation would be, predictably, viewed as a threat to their own reality and existence. The individuals profiting from fascism are ready to do anything to solidify the establishment of this system, even denying a group of people the right to be considered humans.
To finish this lengthy piece of thought, this chain of destructive behaviors do not limit themselves to just fascism. Any ideology that follows a similar manipulative doctrine is also at risk of creating an irrational and inhuman mouvement, whether it’d be a cult, a religion or a political system. The spread of authoritarian and dehumanizing ideals concern a broader list of doctrines and systems, fascism being only one of its many exemples.
it’s funny because i’ve also seen fascists use similar arguments to describe people who follow social justice movements
@@dylanmilton3073 that's why I ended my comment the way I did. The manner people get manipulated and radicalized is commun to pretty much any radical group. Most of the time, these groups encourage blind conformity and defend authoritarian ideals. There is more than one totalitarian ideology and the fascists used the same argument to denounce another group from which they feel threatened.
@@dylanmilton3073That’s because fascism shares many ideals with authoritarianism, which is not a solely conservative ideology. The USSR began with a rather progressive revolution which sought to place the economic and social power of the nation into the hands of the collective, and yet, it was still the ones who fought the dirtiest and were the best at exploiting systems that wound up in control. Any and everyone is capable of expressing these personality traits. That doesn’t just disappear because you identify more with ‘progressive’ values. The political compass meme is by no means perfect, but it does explain essentially what I am talking about
Very well articulated comment, wonder why doesn't it have more likes
"Everyone is stupid except me" 🤓🤓🤓
The narrative about authoritarian personality being susceptible to fascism is completely misleading. That personality is extremely susceptible to propaganda and is very likely to act tribal, but it is NOT limited to fascist propaganda. There is a reason why it is called "authoritarian", not "fascist", and thus should be analyzed in context of all authoritarian regimes. At the very least you should have mentioned this in conclusions.
The name Liberal Fascist is to show the smiley roots and pedigree descended from ww2 fascists. Their mechanism is still institutional authoritarianism, like the federal monopoly school system of institutional racism lulling minorities with obedience, nihilism and leftist indoctrination.
shh i think you've attracted some fascists yourself .. look
@@dmay3391 Nihilism is not purely left or right, a large increase in this type of thinking has come from the advent of the internet age. Since now we get information from anywhere at anytime and can see horrible things live with a click, many have fallen into cynicism and hopelessness.
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He never said its limited to fascism though. So why would you make that claim and attack it?
Intro gives me real Olly thorn vibes 😄😊
I was already like "I've got a cool idea but does acting now count as ripping off Philosophy Tube?" and then, when I was editing this, he put out his latest video IN WHICH HE WAS IN A WOODS...
As much as I respect Ollie's work, I'm not a fan. So I for one am happy with the differences between them
@@MrBritishNinja just curious as to why
@@justice_was_taken PhilosophyTube has always laid it on a little thick, been a bit over the top. Where Contrapoints is more dry and sardonic, PT is more earnest which just isn't to my taste, at least for TH-cam content
*Abby Thorn
Doing my part to increase the search trends for antifascist topics after yesterday.
"In general, full economic security is harmful; most men wouldn't work if they didn't need the money for eating and living" - ah yes, this reminds me why I'm always wary of such studies. These are two completely distinct things, why are they conflated under one statement? The tacit connection between them that in an ideal world everybody would be working is forced upon the person giving the answer no matter their response, whereas one can easily imagine someone who would reject this even to the point of going "yeah probably most people would just bum around but if it makes for a happy people on average and is economically sustainable that's no big deal" (not my stance, but a perfectly conceivable one). And what is this "work", even? Does it only include having an official "job", or would say being a "traditional housewife" also count?
Such studies really need a "mu" answer, to entirely reject malformed questions.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
Exactly my thoughts. As an Anarchist my take would be "full economic security IS harmful, most people would work if they didn't need the money for food and living." If you doubt that people would work even when they don't have to then I recommend doing absolutely nothing for 2 weeks, it fills you with a need to make something lol.
@@sabhishek9289 you need to talk to people outside your circles or you'll hurt the world around you and your own mental health.
@@sabhishek9289 Please stop.
@@sabhishek9289 congrats for falling for early fascist propaganda
"Not on hostility but solidarity. Not pursuit of power but its deconstruction" great stuff
Solidarity requires that both groups be willing to sit down and agree with each other.
Just found your channel! It's super cool, going back and watching lots of your videos. Your videos are really good quality! Love the bird bit at the beginning
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
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@@sabhishek9289 bruh stop spamming
This is a really clever video and you did a good job of explaining the way authoritarianism takes over in different ways.
Good, understandable, reasonable length video essay.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
Fact: Including Musolini's mistress who was jewish, there were atleast 10,000 jews in the fascist party of Italy which accounts for about 1/3rd of the Jewish adult population in Italy. So why does everyone think that fascists are racists and hates jews? As George Orwell pointed out: "... Some fascist movements are not anti Semitic..."
Orwell was correct and the original fascism wasn't anti-Semitic or racist at all. So what's going on here? To know that, watched the linked video: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
@@sabhishek9289 my brother you don’t need to spam this everywhere 😚
This was 1967. I live in Brazil, in 2021, and these guys just described, in detail and perfectly accurate, a "bolsominion". Incredible.
What does this mean?
Yeah, wherever developed, the same type of ideology is, well, going to end up being quite the same, especially something like fascism.
Rewatching this video. Very clear and helpful. I appreciate your deliberate way of speaking. It makes hearing easier.
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
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Really interesting video. I also feel like most people are broadly politically apathetic. That they'll go along with whatever the majority are doing. So these potential fascists would form the active collaborators but most people will be passive bystanders, as long as they can get on with their lives.
Frightening, but true.
god forbid people stay neutral instead of supporting YOUR ideology or worse they support the WRONG ideology
I get that there is some type of authoritarian personality, what I don't get is how it connects to the actual ideology of fascism. Because if not all authoritarians turn into fascists, what's the point of connecting the personality to the ideology? What phenoma was Adorno trying to explain here? What function do the people with the 'authoritarian personality' serve in the fascist system?
Authoritarian personalities will cheer on fascism from the sidelines while turning a blind eye to the atrocities
@@RedstoneNinja99 They act as a kind of legitimizing glue that helps stabilize and perpetuate the system.
The point is that these personality traits render people vulnerable to unconscious fascist radicalization, because part of fascistic policies will feel natural to them (But the traits don't guarantee it 100%). To them the building of a repressive police state could be no worry, because they could easily lead themselves to believe that only ever the "bad people" will suffer under it.
Examples of this kind of line of thought could include: "Woman raped by cops? She must have seduced them, since a cop would never force himself on a woman" "Protesters killed by cops? they must have tried to kill the cop first, since a cop is the incarnation of good and justice, so they would never harm an innocent person"
@@frederik7338 So does that mean people with the authoritarian personality are just bystanders who passively support the regime? Then who are the 'actual fascists' who do all the killing and actually take over the government? Do they have the authoritarian personality aswell?
Furthermore, If 'authoritarians' are just opportunists who will support any authoritarian regime that takes over, shouldn't you be able to find them in any regime, even if it's not technically fascist?
@@frederik7338 you realize there are two sides to the authoritarian coin? A facist is a nationalist to the extreme, a communist is globalist to the extreme, both are equally authoritarian and monstrous. Except one is more acceptable to call one's self than the other and that's problematic
I'm surprised this video doesn't address more problems with this theory. I don't have a fixed opinion on it myself, but I've come across two related criticisms. The first is that the research was biased and designed to confirm what the researchers wanted to find - I've even heard it said that the researchers changed their criteria when they moved to the US in order to better conform to the expectations of mid-century American liberalism. The second is that this line of thinking makes it easier to dismiss anything to the right of center as a function of personality, while accepting anything left of center uncritically - while leftists and liberals themselves can often be authoritarian. (I consider myself to be on the far left. My point is that I don't know what to think about this subject since I've seen such contradictory responses to it.)
There's some interesting critiques of the study. As I read it, however, most of those are addressed within the book itself. Particularly in terms of some of the methodological stuff. With regard to being influenced by prior research, all research is influenced by previous studies, that's just how it works.
I don't know how you look at modern American leftist belief systems and not see extreme authoritarian leanings.
@@Tom_Nicholas they are not.
@Cian Abroad they literally preach authoritarianism. More government control is necessary to facilitate that. I have no idea who you are watching, they sure as hell aren't leftists.maybe you were watching Proud Boys videos.
@@julians.2597 He may be referring to events such as how, just from what was threatened by a prosecutor in St. Louis earlier today, a prosecutor was trying to silence dissenting opinions via sending the mob after the police unless they agreed with the narrative he was trying to create. Cancel culture as well fits the basic idea behind authoritarianism far better than most other things, as destroying those with dissenting opinions leaves no one that is willing or able to disagree with the main line of thought.
Bloody brilliant video, a really interesting watch!
Tom here does not know what fascism really is. Hitler was not a fascist. The Nazis were also not fascists. Fascists were basically National Marxist socialists. The international Marxists (Soviet union included) did not like that the Italian National Marxist socialists(fascists) were pro their own nation and Pro war. The fascists were basically Marxist patriots. The only thing distinguishing Marxists and fascists is that Marxists were internationalists and fascists were nationalists. Other than that there is no difference between them. This historian does a perfect job about explaining fascism: th-cam.com/video/qdY_IMZH2Ko/w-d-xo.html
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