I know, I just thought it was kinda funny. I used to (kinda) ride bikes. I think I always put mine at like 70ish. I think they're rated to 65. I know such a rebel.
Spike Kastleman naw broghe some setup benefit from mild camber, think about what happens when you lean into a tight turn. body roll, coil bind, etc. can hurt yer handling especially if the car wasn't meant to be driven hard
Can I just say thank you for making these videos? I've been watching your channel since the beginning of LDC1, and no one I've seen on youtube has been as thorough or knowledgeable as you are. Haggard garage just destroys cars for entertainment, MCM has the sponsorship and money to do whatever they want with the help of their shop friends. I feel like Off Beat is the only channel out there that is a truly competent, grass roots car channel. The amount of time and research you've put into your car shows, and I'm glad to finally see you out drifting. So thank you!
this is interesting to me. I hate it much less now. I always just figured it was completely for "aesthetic" purposes. Now that I understand there is a point to cambering the tits out of vehicles, I can appreciate it to an extent. Well spoken, informative video.
i know and seen you do your own alignment on your car, if you have time you should do a video on how to do alignments on low cars like yours, what tools you use and methods etc.
don't forget acrumen, I put modded knuckles in my car with 0 ish acrumen, and have 0 toe front and rear, 0 rear camber, 6 degrees front camber and stock caster. works mint! I learned a lot from this video, awesome!
Holyshit man I just learned more in this 9 minute and 50 second video then I ever have just trying to figure it out myself. this is internet gold thank you for posting this I also subbed and I will follow you on Instagram!!
huh, ive been a serious car guy and love professional drifting and it turns out i didnt know how cambre worked, before this i thought it was to make it so that the tire has a flat contact when the tire deforms under the horizontal stress of drifting or turning. this was way more informative than i thought it would be, i actually completly relearned somthing i thought already knew
This is such an amazing good explanation of your alignment, I was just impressed and then more so the longer you kept instructing. Nice work. have a good run on the track.
This popped up in my suggestions and I fully expected the Bro attitude to this. So I went "humour me" and then you appear on-screen well versed in the topic and I am left seriously reevaluating my stereotypes over here.
let me just say this to you. i began watching your videos a few days ago and you sir suprized me as one hell of a hard worker! i mean here i am a week ago watching your first drift video and now here you are with this vast of knowledge and what appears to be sponsers on your car? congrats man and keep up the good work!
ya i mean camber is fine if you have a car for the specific reason of drifting but people that put it on there honda fucking civic cuz they think its "cool" then its just dangerous and looks really really fucked up
That is accurate and a relevant compensation for forward caster, aside from initial steering input, but on a drift car you aren’t overly concerned with the confident feel of the feed back during initial turn in
Yeah it was using the old logo in the animation though which is why I stopped using it. Then I went back to change it and all the files are corrupt now for whatever reason so basically I have to redo that whole thing to bring it back. Maybe a little weekend project would be to make a new one, how's that sound?
Honestly, being raised around a dirt track my whole life this makes total sense to me. But to be honest, I never thought about it like that for drift cars. I always thought it was meant to "look cool" or some stupid reason like that. But if you look at a lot of dirt track cars especially open wheel and VW class cars it's set up to real extremes like that. This was actually pretty informative, I can't believe I never put it together like that. Guess since asphalt drifting was never something I was into I never put much thought into it before.
Something to add is that the caster affect works best for grip set ups where the outside front wheel is take all the load, so gaining dynamic camber is a good thing. Drift set ups are opposite because like the guys says the lead wheel is now you primary focus. Good explanation!!
if you have McPherson suspension or something that pivots you don't need a fixed camber angle,the car already gains camber angle as it tilts, with extra camber you lose contact the more the car tilts. fixed negative camber is for cars that camber steer, camber steer is when the inside wheel gets positive camber and the outside wheel gets negative camber going into a turn, like how you lean a motorcycle into a turn,, if it had two front wheels, with this setup adding "slight" negative camber ( not too much because the outside wheel is already getting negative camber) will help the inside wheel (wich is getting positive camber) be more flat on the ground in a turn, negative rear camber will help the car slide because the tires arnt flat on the ground so go for it, a lot of people are very misinformed about the camber thing, but it dose look cool on lowriders
Ive been watching your Offbeat Garage videos since you first started drifting and building the first 240. I really like you education and knowledge behind what you do to your car instead of just throwing shit at a car and saying it's going to work! I don't drift, I like drag racing but alignment angles are just as important in both areas. Love the video's still!
One thing I don’t fully understand ( I’ve had some but little real life experience working on real drift cars) but my understanding is you want less grip at the front when on lock so the rear end can catch the slide.
IF it's excessive and FWD cars need more camber at the front because that is where the power is being delivered. Camber keeps it in a straight line. Don't quote me.
IForgotHisName that's totally correct. the ideal amount of front camber for RWD/FWD track cars is 3.5degrees to 4 degrees. it reduces understeer during the corner which is a huge killer in track time
Fwd cars already spin their tires really easy even with 100hp so what happens when u add camber to those front tires and even futher reduce grip when on straight line and accelerating hard.
Honestly, at the start of the video I saw that negative camber and immediately thought "not another stance moron". Good video, glad to be proven wrong....
Thanks for the explanation. I kinda feel like it was partially in response to my comment about stretching the tires so it wouldn't rub the front fenders. Good information and it makes sense now. Looking forward to more videos! You've come a long way since i first started watching.
Stretched tires actually also provide another benefit for drift cars other than more fender clearance. When stretched, the tires gain lateral stiffness since the sidewalls are diagonal which makes them not snap as hard into grip and slide easier/smoother to the sides. Edit: fender clearance isn't actually a legit benefit since you can easily run a more narrow rim to fit the tires and still not have any rubbing issues.
thanks. learn something new every day. I just can't figure out why some of these cars have so much negative camber that the inside of the rim is the only thing touching the ground.
I would typically look at that car and driver thinking "why is that kid doing that to his car just to follow some trend, trying to look cool" This vid may now have me thinking "That kid may have some insane driving skills and a very purposefully designed car"
You do a great job explaining why competitive drifters run negative camber. However, you actually drift competitively. Whereas, the idiots on the road with excessive camber probably never drift competitively and use their cars as daily drivers. I think that's why there's so much hate toward excessive negative camber.
Great video! Thanks for the info and lesson. I wish the trend of ridiculous camber on street cars would just stop but I now get it for track specific drift cars.
jonathan abreu lol wtf were they drunk?! edit: not only do they have a shit ton of camber in the less useful spot, they have none in the spot where it SHOULD be, especially in a FWD. also, it's an accord... no camber lol
Just a thought. Running very high tyre pressures will cause a tyre to wear more in the middle as the tyre will balloon. Although if your drifting a car with low power you're probably using cheap part worn tyres so tyre wear isn't that big of an issue. Nice vid :)
my c33 has probably negative 5 or 6 degrees of camber and in daily circumstances it isnt a big issue as i am simply not going fast enough on the road to cause any affect on brake performance. in fact it handles better than stock. in fact i could even go with 3 degrees more camber to make my tyres wear evenly and this is in daily conditions. not hating on you or trying to prove you wrong this is just my experiences. cheers yo!
Damn dude i used to see your videos when you still had your other 240 then got the other 240 that was shitty af (idk if its not this black one) and then i also saw like your very first time attempting to drift and now i come back and you already got the hang of it and everything! Thats crazy dude but congrats man its very noticeable that all your hard work has been paying off
Hey Adel, could you do another video in regards to the changes you made to your suspension recently? I know you seemed pretty happy with the changes but I didn't quite catch everything you did beyond raising the front end. Thanks so much, and hello from Texas (when you gonna come down???).
another reason why pro cars dial down their PSI so low is tire Hysteria... since rubber is an insulator of heat and temperature is a direct influence of tire pressure... they dial the pressure down because they know the heat they create from the load and friction they generate from the tire will cause the air to expand both quickly and significantly... and since tires are very good insulators, thus being hard to cool down, they factor in how long it will take for the tire to heat up and cool down versus how much time they spend actually in use before they change them... but there could be other factors included too, like lets say tire blankets... you can set them to be at a certain temperature before they even hit the track so the idea of hysteria is practically eliminated... however, I'm not sure about regulations regarding blankets and budget limitations too so that may not even be considered.
Camber doesn't need to be that much, you can run around 3 degrees camber or even less, change the caster forward more and use a trailing knuckle and still have a flatter contact patch through out your whole steering. If I remember, I thought people ran so much camber was for clearance when angle kits started being developed more. Now they move the top hats and extend the arms together to not have that much camber and have more inner clearance now days.
God this video is fantastic... I will be sure to post this video every time some moron goes "That drift car is stupid because it has such a ridiculous camber"... I love your vids man keep it up :D
SAI is more important to getting the camber gains you want than Caster, Less SAI and more caster would allow you to run less static camber but still get your camber gains.
"The tires are only safely rated to like 50 psi, but you can just go ahead and ignore that"
Tip top advice #pro
I mean he's not wrong... Same goes bikes too...
I know, I just thought it was kinda funny. I used to (kinda) ride bikes. I think I always put mine at like 70ish. I think they're rated to 65. I know such a rebel.
+First name Last name for road tyres 600c wheels like mine generally are rated at 65 psi max... then 700c are rated at 120psi
+First name Last name for mountain bikes, 26ers are rated at 45 psi and 29ers are rated 65 psi
Edgy
Holy shit a car video with someone who knows what they are talking about!
now I can tune my cars better in forza
thats pritty much how i set mine up
Forza FTW
Devonte Mitchell lmfaooo exactly what ive been doing and it does work lol
-5 max camber in forza so gl. #RfactorFTW
Brandon C yea bro
Thanks now im ready to drift in my Fiat Panda.
@Biggus Dickus pvc rings in the back, slow motion sliding^^
Camber for drifting = All good.
Camber on a non-drift car = Ricer crap.
Spike Kastleman preach brother and just because you have camber also does not mean you are a drifter
Spike Kastleman naw broghe some setup benefit from mild camber, think about what happens when you lean into a tight turn. body roll, coil bind, etc. can hurt yer handling especially if the car wasn't meant to be driven hard
TheBikemaster94
Let me correct myself: *Excesive* camber. Lol. My bad!
Thank you for saying that this guys camber isnt even bad but i see niggas with excessive camber on a toyota camry 😂😂😂😂
Spike Kastleman Camber for race cars and track cars is also good for reducing understeer and increasing traction during turn in
Is it just me, or does just the right amount of camber look really good?
GTR_Scott its very sexy
it looks good
Yea max -2
Hebele Hübele lmao i’d say that’s about max if you’re not gonna drift
Can I just say thank you for making these videos? I've been watching your channel since the beginning of LDC1, and no one I've seen on youtube has been as thorough or knowledgeable as you are. Haggard garage just destroys cars for entertainment, MCM has the sponsorship and money to do whatever they want with the help of their shop friends. I feel like Off Beat is the only channel out there that is a truly competent, grass roots car channel. The amount of time and research you've put into your car shows, and I'm glad to finally see you out drifting. So thank you!
Well you're welcome my man :) glad to be here and making these videos for ya!
Keep making videos like this and you're gonna give engineering explained a run for his money! Very very informative!
this is interesting to me. I hate it much less now. I always just figured it was completely for "aesthetic" purposes. Now that I understand there is a point to cambering the tits out of vehicles, I can appreciate it to an extent. Well spoken, informative video.
F1, DTM and most other touring racing, professional drifting...many race cars have negative camber. Some are even on all four corners.
the reason why I couldn't drift with the Evo in Project cars.. it had too much negative camber on the front. great explanation
wont be doing 65° plus entry in my daily...challenge accepted sir lol
Atleast he backs it up with facts
i know and seen you do your own alignment on your car, if you have time you should do a video on how to do alignments on low cars like yours, what tools you use and methods etc.
This helped so much in CarX drifting
great video man, Lots of good knowledge
Thanks :)
don't forget acrumen, I put modded knuckles in my car with 0 ish acrumen, and have 0 toe front and rear, 0 rear camber, 6 degrees front camber and stock caster. works mint! I learned a lot from this video, awesome!
OMG ITS YOU!!! I just re discovered you after about 3 years. I remember your og drift builds on that 240 that you got from a panel beater!
I wonder if Adam Lz watches your vids ..
It's nice when someone on youtube actually knows what he is saying
Totally comes off as a drift bro. Starts talking and its very clear hes a rift pro.
Respect
Holyshit man I just learned more in this 9 minute and 50 second video then I ever have just trying to figure it out myself.
this is internet gold thank you for posting this I also subbed and I will follow you on Instagram!!
I wanna start drifting next year, and i’m binge watching these as much as i can to prepare lol! This was great, i learned so much
Did you start drifting this year?
huh, ive been a serious car guy and love professional drifting and it turns out i didnt know how cambre worked,
before this i thought it was to make it so that the tire has a flat contact when the tire deforms under the horizontal stress of drifting or turning.
this was way more informative than i thought it would be, i actually completly relearned somthing i thought already knew
Glad it helped!
For someone like me with NO tuner experience, this was incredibly educational! In all seriousness, thank you.
+Storm Rider Glad to hear it :)
This is such an amazing good explanation of your alignment, I was just impressed and then more so the longer you kept instructing. Nice work. have a good run on the track.
This popped up in my suggestions and I fully expected the Bro attitude to this. So I went "humour me" and then you appear on-screen well versed in the topic and I am left seriously reevaluating my stereotypes over here.
let me just say this to you. i began watching your videos a few days ago and you sir suprized me as one hell of a hard worker! i mean here i am a week ago watching your first drift video and now here you are with this vast of knowledge and what appears to be sponsers on your car? congrats man and keep up the good work!
ya i mean camber is fine if you have a car for the specific reason of drifting but people that put it on there honda fucking civic cuz they think its "cool"
then its just dangerous and looks really really fucked up
UnethicalGamer its also rice since its race inspired
yup
Nick Tallarigo for?
By the way it's "you're"
UnethicalGamer thanks homie😂 you good brughe?
hey man, what about the track built civics in world time attack? they run about 5.5 degrees up front
this actually makes me not hate camber anymore, thanks.
As a car lover I seriously appreciate your informative video, this is the way TH-cam should be, not combative and juvenile.
That is accurate and a relevant compensation for forward caster, aside from initial steering input, but on a drift car you aren’t overly concerned with the confident feel of the feed back during initial turn in
I need the old intro, it was just perfect, bring it back for nex vid plz
Yeah it was using the old logo in the animation though which is why I stopped using it. Then I went back to change it and all the files are corrupt now for whatever reason so basically I have to redo that whole thing to bring it back. Maybe a little weekend project would be to make a new one, how's that sound?
Yeah!! Do it! Sound like a great idea!!
Pd: love your videos and all the work you'v done keep it up!!
WiseRiver59 Haha alright, I'll try to make something this weekend then. Thanks for the support
Great, I'm looking forward to it!!!!
And it's imposible not to support this awesome content
Great explanation! I knew the technical precision was high before the mention of vector diagrams, but that just drove it home 👌😎
Thanks man :)
lol, not why i run -9.5 degrees of camber up front.. I'm just a swag lord trying to fit dope ass rims.
thats funny
Lol I really love your honesty in this comment!
Angel D.
bruh i have a zenki.... but i cant wait to face lift it...(kouki swap) ;)
Honestly, being raised around a dirt track my whole life this makes total sense to me. But to be honest, I never thought about it like that for drift cars. I always thought it was meant to "look cool" or some stupid reason like that. But if you look at a lot of dirt track cars especially open wheel and VW class cars it's set up to real extremes like that. This was actually pretty informative, I can't believe I never put it together like that. Guess since asphalt drifting was never something I was into I never put much thought into it before.
Something to add is that the caster affect works best for grip set ups where the outside front wheel is take all the load, so gaining dynamic camber is a good thing. Drift set ups are opposite because like the guys says the lead wheel is now you primary focus. Good explanation!!
if you have McPherson suspension or something that pivots you don't need a fixed camber angle,the car already gains camber angle as it tilts, with extra camber you lose contact the more the car tilts. fixed negative camber is for cars that camber steer, camber steer is when the inside wheel gets positive camber and the outside wheel gets negative camber going into a turn, like how you lean a motorcycle into a turn,, if it had two front wheels, with this setup adding "slight" negative camber ( not too much because the outside wheel is already getting negative camber) will help the inside wheel (wich is getting positive camber) be more flat on the ground in a turn, negative rear camber will help the car slide because the tires arnt flat on the ground so go for it, a lot of people are very misinformed about the camber thing, but it dose look cool on lowriders
Lots of knowledge, well explained, made it easy to understand. Hats off
Ive been watching your Offbeat Garage videos since you first started drifting and building the first 240. I really like you education and knowledge behind what you do to your car instead of just throwing shit at a car and saying it's going to work! I don't drift, I like drag racing but alignment angles are just as important in both areas. Love the video's still!
Saw your vid yesterday, tuned my drift rc came back to thank you for sharing your wisdom with us! My car drifts so good!
I'M 58 Y.O.A. AND WANT TO "THANK YOU" FOR EXPLAINING THOSE ALIGNMENT MEANINGS TO ME. NO ONE OUT HERE IN THE CENTER OF NEBRASKA UNDERSTOOD IT. (LOL)
One thing I don’t fully understand ( I’ve had some but little real life experience working on real drift cars) but my understanding is you want less grip at the front when on lock so the rear end can catch the slide.
so if i see a fwd car running this kind of camber, i can call it a ricer?
IF it's excessive and FWD cars need more camber at the front because that is where the power is being delivered. Camber keeps it in a straight line. Don't quote me.
IForgotHisName that's totally correct. the ideal amount of front camber for RWD/FWD track cars is 3.5degrees to 4 degrees. it reduces understeer during the corner which is a huge killer in track time
Nicholas Mcintyre not really. 3-4 degrees of camber on a fwd car reduces understeer throughout turns
Nah, you simply turn the other way.
Fwd cars already spin their tires really easy even with 100hp so what happens when u add camber to those front tires and even futher reduce grip when on straight line and accelerating hard.
MIND BLOWN... now i also understand those memes with extreme exaggerated front camber and 0 in the rear
On a Ferrari formula1 race car a team I am familiar with ran mostly a -2°camber in the rear and slightly more up front.
Honestly, at the start of the video I saw that negative camber and immediately thought "not another stance moron". Good video, glad to be proven wrong....
dude, another in depth vid. so informative. didn't know you run so little hp in you car either!
Bro I've watched all you videos from the start and the knowledge that you have is amazing !
This is a much better explanation than engineering explained
I didnt think i would learn anytjing going in but i did! Thanks!
You're the first person I've EVER heard make any sense about massively excessive camber.
Thanks for the explanation. I kinda feel like it was partially in response to my comment about stretching the tires so it wouldn't rub the front fenders. Good information and it makes sense now. Looking forward to more videos! You've come a long way since i first started watching.
Stretched tires actually also provide another benefit for drift cars other than more fender clearance. When stretched, the tires gain lateral stiffness since the sidewalls are diagonal which makes them not snap as hard into grip and slide easier/smoother to the sides.
Edit: fender clearance isn't actually a legit benefit since you can easily run a more narrow rim to fit the tires and still not have any rubbing issues.
dude bruh how dare you say im unedumecated on drift camber bruh, you cereally offended me bruh. JK good video man
Hahahah
thanks. learn something new every day. I just can't figure out why some of these cars have so much negative camber that the inside of the rim is the only thing touching the ground.
That right there is just a stance show car type thing lol
thanks from a master tech and a former autoxer that was very informative and cleared things up for me
So, get wisefab knuckles...problem solved.
Extremely informative video. Knowing nothing about drifting, this was a great primer and explained everything I wanted to know. Thank you for posting
a justification for what i usually think is nutty camber. thanks for the vid!
finally someone that understands.
Centripetal force is tangent to the circle, not away from it. That would be to the side and slightly to the front of the car, not towards the rear
I would typically look at that car and driver thinking "why is that kid doing that to his car just to follow some trend, trying to look cool" This vid may now have me thinking "That kid may have some insane driving skills and a very purposefully designed car"
clicked thinking maybe id learn a few things and i did. good shit man.
Bro. Amazing vid, really good explanation of everything. Keep up the good work.
im not really into drifting but i really like these videos. keep up the good work
Straight to the point!! Probadly the most giving video I've ever seen on YT.
Keep it up bro! Subbed and liked.
You do a great job explaining why competitive drifters run negative camber. However, you actually drift competitively. Whereas, the idiots on the road with excessive camber probably never drift competitively and use their cars as daily drivers. I think that's why there's so much hate toward excessive negative camber.
Great video! Thanks for the info and lesson. I wish the trend of ridiculous camber on street cars would just stop but I now get it for track specific drift cars.
The hubs are moved rearwards in wisefab knuckles, not forward.
Ive been watching alot of your videos lately and i gotta say they are really informative! keep up the good work!!
really good on his knees
Very informative, I never thought of the camber change due to caster
Informative AF! I learned a lot. Thanks bro. 👍🏾
More honda's drivers should watch this kind of videos. I've seen so many Accords running 0 deg on front and like -15deg on rear...
jonathan abreu lol wtf were they drunk?!
edit: not only do they have a shit ton of camber in the less useful spot, they have none in the spot where it SHOULD be, especially in a FWD. also, it's an accord... no camber lol
Just a thought. Running very high tyre pressures will cause a tyre to wear more in the middle as the tyre will balloon. Although if your drifting a car with low power you're probably using cheap part worn tyres so tyre wear isn't that big of an issue. Nice vid :)
You'd think that would happen but it doesn't. Tire wears out evenly from one side to another. Also I always run brand new tires. Thanks :)
I have an eunos roadster(Miata) 1.6 so I need all the help I can get 😂 bout 85 psi in the rear in the dry.
Hahah there ya go!
my c33 has probably negative 5 or 6 degrees of camber and in daily circumstances it isnt a big issue as i am simply not going fast enough on the road to cause any affect on brake performance. in fact it handles better than stock. in fact i could even go with 3 degrees more camber to make my tyres wear evenly and this is in daily conditions. not hating on you or trying to prove you wrong this is just my experiences. cheers yo!
this is the best explained vehicle video ...
This is your best video so far. Excellent work. Good safety tip for the oblivious ones! :D
You deserve more subs😀😀
Best video on thre subject I've ever seen.
the good ole days man...
Damn dude i used to see your videos when you still had your other 240 then got the other 240 that was shitty af (idk if its not this black one) and then i also saw like your very first time attempting to drift and now i come back and you already got the hang of it and everything! Thats crazy dude but congrats man its very noticeable that all your hard work has been paying off
nice vid man, keep them up
well done man, you have come a long way keep it up
That flick at 3:50, that's called a scandinavian flick my friend. ;)
Great explanation man!!! Easy to understand
Hey Adel, could you do another video in regards to the changes you made to your suspension recently? I know you seemed pretty happy with the changes but I didn't quite catch everything you did beyond raising the front end. Thanks so much, and hello from Texas (when you gonna come down???).
Best explanation yet, cheers.
another reason why pro cars dial down their PSI so low is tire Hysteria... since rubber is an insulator of heat and temperature is a direct influence of tire pressure... they dial the pressure down because they know the heat they create from the load and friction they generate from the tire will cause the air to expand both quickly and significantly... and since tires are very good insulators, thus being hard to cool down, they factor in how long it will take for the tire to heat up and cool down versus how much time they spend actually in use before they change them... but there could be other factors included too, like lets say tire blankets... you can set them to be at a certain temperature before they even hit the track so the idea of hysteria is practically eliminated... however, I'm not sure about regulations regarding blankets and budget limitations too so that may not even be considered.
Great video. Really helped me (amateur drifter) to help better understand how to setup my car.
Loving the videos cant wait to see you break 100.000 subs keep it going.
Learned a lot out of this video, great job explaining everything
That RPM meter is sick as fuck ngl
Very informative video. good job dude
Thank you so much for your in depth video. Best explanation on the web
Camber doesn't need to be that much, you can run around 3 degrees camber or even less, change the caster forward more and use a trailing knuckle and still have a flatter contact patch through out your whole steering. If I remember, I thought people ran so much camber was for clearance when angle kits started being developed more. Now they move the top hats and extend the arms together to not have that much camber and have more inner clearance now days.
had no idea you gain positive camber under lock, makes a lot of sense tho
God this video is fantastic... I will be sure to post this video every time some moron goes "That drift car is stupid because it has such a ridiculous camber"... I love your vids man keep it up :D
SAI is more important to getting the camber gains you want than Caster, Less SAI and more caster would allow you to run less static camber but still get your camber gains.
I finally have 10 degrees of camber and Iove it.
You sound smart asf..