Alex should seriously think about joining a professional musical industry. My ears have never felt so blessed by his godly ability to produce such an amazing sound. If he focuses on his musical talent, I'm 1000% sure that he'll make it far.
Every time i see a car with excessive camber, it makes it look like someone squished the car. It looks dumb IMO, however I think a little camber looks fine.
I definitely agree with you on the crazy camber, not my thing. Though I can appreciate the way a car can look sitting a MM off the ground. To each their own. That's the best part of ownership. It's your snowflake baby, make it unique.
I got a little camber in the front . Rear has solid axle . You are absolutely correct on the toe in and out ruining tires . The alignment is key ! Bad alignment means sawed tires lol
@@tantaiki1316 Please explain how this Google machine you speak of works because I'm either too old/dumb to know how the internets works or I was just trying to help with ideas for future shows.
Wanna see if your camber setup is ideal for your driving situation? Get a pyrometer (an infrared thermometer that can pick a spot less than 20 mm will do) and measure across the surface of the tread in three parts: inner edge, middle, outer edge. If the temperatures are within roughly 1* C (around 2* F) of each other then you're set. If one tire is excessively hotter or colder than its counterpart, then there's a load imbalance with the circuit/track that was just run (think NETCAR/Roundy-Round) relative to the alignment, or excessive toe applied to a wheel that's now dragging the tire along. Static camber at -2* is very helpful once you've run through the suspension kinematics, and then take into account how much the lower control arm mounts "roll" when the body shell leans through a corner. Basically, the chassis roll pulls the lower control inward on the outer wheel, and adds overall camber to that side. If you end up rolling enough to "add" 4* of camber to the outside wheel, your -2* static starting point is to get you closer to vertical as the lower control arm compresses to compensate during that roll. Hopefully, you end up around +1* (yep, positive) to work the outside edge of the tire with the aggressive shoulder blocks if it's a correct tire for the application. If it's an all season tire, those will usually dissolve after 8 good runs on asphalt and 3 runs on grooved concrete. That's why running -2* static camber on aggressively driven street cars with so-so camber control makes all season tires last so long. Of course if you slam the piss out of it and bring the control arms beyond horizontal, that's a whole other kinematics mess you're creating for yourself and everyone that's forced to share the road with you.
When purchasing an alignment/camber kit, purchase the entire kit. Some kits are purchased as either a one, two, or three piece kits. The more adjustments that can be made the more "dialed in" the suspension components are going to be. I have -3.0 degrees of camber on my Honda Accord Coupe with 275/35/19 tires on Advan RZII 19x10.0 et 35. The tires have already 35,000 miles on them. The tread wear, for the most, is even. My toe is set exactly to 0 degrees. It's true, camber (not insane camber) doesn't eat tire, it's toe. How do you get 0 degrees of toe on -3.0 degrees? By buying a complete camber kit. For me, it was a 3-piece kit for each side in the rear for the 2017 Accord. DON'T GO CHEAP. EITHER WAY, IF YOU DO, YOU WILL PAY FOR IT BY HAVING TO BUY MORE TIRES, ALIGNMENTS, AND DODGY CAR PARTS. Matter of fact, when purchasing rims, check to see if a camber kit is available for your car. I was quite surprised to find out that Honda Accords don't have a front camber kit! Camber can also be a life saver in making a tire fit while providing a compliant ride. I hate to say this, from my own personal experience, I never recommend going to dealership. However, dealerships, at times, have better alignment machinery than a run of the mill tire shop. Don't be cheap. Here in New Orleans there aren't a lot of high performance shops.
I said this before but gladly would illiterate that it is always best to pay a little extra to have your services done at a reputable dealer or a company that specializes in working with tuner rides.
I think this is a pretty interesting topic. I myself am the owner of SMP Automotive and deal with a ton of different cars and styles every single day. One of my personal cars is a bagged IS300 on Wed Kranze Bazreias. The wheels are 18x10.5 +22 and 18x11.5 +16 all fitting under stock body. It was definitely a quite a bit of work to get the car with close to matching camber front to rear, building to wheels to suit the desired camber angles, to clear the bigger Supra TT brake calipers, and to buy the correct suspension parts so everything works in unison. My car drives like a dream, even with the excessive camber (-8/-10 at ride height), but only because I took the time to do everything right the first go around. Before the suspension rebuild, I knew the car had an issue with bump steer (when I was static) so I made sure to buy RCA spacers to correct this problem. I also used JZX100 front upper control arms, which is great for easy camber, until you realize the AirLift bag bellows are so large that they rub the spindle and inside of the control arm. So to combat this issue, I had to purchase Serial9 strut offset hats (basically camber plates) to move the air strut into a position that it does rub against anything. In the rear, I used TC Sportline upper control arms and to be able to set the toe in spec with excessive camber, Megan racing toe arms to get the alignment right. The car sat on jack stands for about about two weeks while I assembled, refreshed, and measure from hub to fender lip using the wheels (before rebuild) and spacers so that I could determine the size of the new lips I wanted to buy. The tires last for a relatively good amount of time seeing that this car is my daily driver besides my Evo 9. I put roughly 10k miles on the Lexus a year with this setup and its been treating me fine so far. The biggest thing I want people to take from this is a proper setup takes a bit of time, research, and thinking power for it to work in your favor. Some of the cars you see like T-Demand have tons of hours, thought, and thousands of dollars worth of suspension components so that the cars can achieve aggressive ride heights, wheel fitment, and drive quality. Take your time, do it right the first time, and enjoy your slanty wheel machine! Check out my Lexus and give me a follow on IG @Ace_OnBase and find me on Facebook at Malik Mebane or SMP Automotive!
I agree with the "it's your car, do what you want with it" thing 100% as long as it's within safe limits. It's great for people to express themselves in their own ways via their car, even if it's something I don't necessarily like I can feel excited about the fact that it makes the owner happy. I just think that if your tires are so stretched that they'll de-bead just from being looked at wrong, plz stay far away from me because I didn't agree to possibly being hit by your car when it breaks at speed.
Alex says that there are more parts needed to properly camber a car besides from camberplates. I think it would be nice to see a video on what parts you deff need to do it properly and how to set it up and adjust it
Kinda hard to do considering a widebody varies from car to car. How much of the fender you have to cut out, and then how much room you have is a bit tricky to determine.
Camber actually became popular in the early 90s with lowrider civics and stuff running like 13 and 14 inch deep dish wheels I don't even believe it was a performance thing back then it was just the dish of the wheel is so deep that it bent the control arms and everything at odd angles and produced the camber look
If you haven't already done it, could you guys make a video explaining how camber kits work, and how to set them up? Like what to do with double wishbone setups, macpherson strut setups, etc, how and why they need to take different parts. Because I had a hard time finding caster plates for my integra until the internet people told me it wouldn't work. Also if there are any ways to adjust camber for function or auto x and get it dialed for maximum grippage with math and numbers if you can do such a thing.
Not really but we have something like this planned for a future videos we have a fair amount of fans who run flush fitment or really want to learn more about different fitments!
@@lukesites2457 like $600 shipped from tirerack. They might be hard to find right now since it's listed as "Extreme Performance Summer Tire". On the track they didn't begin to lose grip until toward the end of a 20min session. Came in a bit too hot and went off into the dirt. For daily use they were great. Being in SoCal I can't say much for how they handled in the wet, but on the rare occasion that I did drive the car in the rain I wasn't sketched out. Thinking about trying out Federal RS-RR's or Achilles ATR-K Sports this Spring/Summer.
You got coilovers? If so how low are you? I got around the same wheel size and tires(size) lol I want to slam it as much as possible but want to make sure the wheels fit under the fender,I could run camber but that's another expense and it's not like I'm tracking it
thank you for saying camber wear doesnt wear out tires quicker. camber wear just means the insides are more worn but my ls400 run -3 in the front and -5 in the rear and have to explain to a million people that toe is what kills tires, not camber. I also would add that -3 in the rear is almost never function in my opinion. I think -2 in the rear is function and -3 in the front is max for function but then again its all about how people set up their suspension and how they have their specific geometry
Thanks for another great information video , I kinda always assumed cambered did create more wear but in fact toe does do more damage thanks , and just FYI back in the 50s 60, cambered was used on the old figure 8 race tracks that are now long gone so good bye good ole days !
The only real function behind excessive camber to fit wide wheels is that sole reason, to fit the wheel without rubbing lip or tire too bad. Although excessive camber is still functional, as in you can still drive the car pretty much the same with the exception of tire wear increasing.
Excessive camber would increase your stopping distance and slow your acceleration down depending on the amount of power due to the much smaller contact patch.
Josh Frye driving around town you arent gonna know the difference when it comes to braking speed, it’s like having a big wing on your car, you arent gonna feel a difference until you’re going fast as hell
I run between minus 2-3 degrees negative camber at the front and have never had an issue with tyre wear. If anything my tyre wear is better and more even. I As long as your toe is in check. The extra camber is noticeable through the steering. Steering becomes a little heavier but when cornering you really feel the tyres stick a lot more.
I’d like to see a video on how excessive camber on the front axle benefits angle and grip at full lock for drifting and how angle kits with lower control arms push out the bottom of the wheel for more camber and angle vs. upper control arms that pull in the top of the wheel for camber which is usually for looks mostly. And why “drift car” setups are usually 0 camber in rear axle if not even a little bit positive camber while the front axle is upwards of -9 and why drift cars do that. Also bring to point that pretty much all Formula Drift cars are running a massive amount of camber in front.
He forgot to mention drifting, even formula drift cars have a decent amount of noticeable camber on the front to counter the angle the wheels have to turn at. A lot of cars at these shows are drift cars so you’ll see a lot of camber there. However, yeah most are just for show, and we love it 🖤
To find the correct amount of camber for performance you track your car and measure tyres temps with a laser thermometer the outside edge should be close to the inside edge temperature after a couple laps if it’s too much the inside edge will be hot if it’s not enough the outside edge will be hot
Really good video but i couldnt get over that one note in the background music. Kept making me think i was hearing someone smacking a pot with a spoon or something.
Nr1 mistake I see all the time - people throw coilovers on cars and don't retention and reset other suspension components , and forget about alignment. Usualy after lowering car you get excessive positive toe that rips your new Chinese rubber apart
Does excessive camber hurt other components like putting extra strain on hubs/bearings and bushings? Sure looks like it does, but I have nothing to back that up.
Camber gang since 85' with the hot wheels! That's what alot of these cars remind me of that ride with camber. A little is nice and necessary to tuck wheels, I get it.....but I guess I'm just old school.
2nd comment but fr i love this channel i can confirm that they know what their doing i work at discount tire and bascially know everything about tires and wheels and "function"😅 so you can say I spent a lot of time in the fitment section on my free time on the computer messing with diffrent fitment selections🤙
this is gonna make me feel like a hella tyte jdm fanboi, but it's pronounced bo-so-zu-ku and the anime wrap style is called i-ta-sha. Itasha roughly translates to "painful car", which is funny so
People build cars for fun and looks. It's your car and that's fine as quoted. Now people go like what is it, 20 degrees or more of camber because it looks "cool". But it isn't a show car, they go on the street and highway with these cars with barely contact to the surface. Has there ever been done a video of braking distance on a car with 20 degree camber vs a normal car? Would suck if somebody were to rear end you because they thought camber looks cool.
Can we discuss toe in toe out more in depth? If my little bit of camber that’s barely noticeable isn’t causing me to replace my rear tires once a month it must be my toe adjustment
Hey, I've replaced my old damaged 16" wheels by 17" on a 2nd gen Miata (had negative camber of 0.11 or something), but now I've got positive camber. I can't use camber plates as it needs 3 bolts and my damper only have 2. Want are the ways to modify camber ? More likely for a practical/track purpose
Fitment Industries always doing the most... I know it's late but cograts on the 100k + milestone... Also how long does it usually take you guys to make a single video?
I found a video about the “washer trick” to add camber. The dude said 5 washers on the bottom and 3 on top and adding washers as needed to match the other side. How well would that actually work?
It was seen as a racing 🏁 thing. The BTCC has a lot of tight cornering circuits so the aggressive camber was a way at getting the family car base to take corners quickly.... Look up BTCC Super Touring for yourself. It's great motorsport. In the 90's the BTCC was the king of motorsports and manufacturers were throwing crazy money at cars. Renault paid the Renault Formula 1 engineers to build the Renault Laguna. So it was fast.
Ok here's a silly question: If you are running some sort of air ride, does the higher ride height make the car stiffer? And along with that when the car is lowered does that make it ride "spongy"?
Fella, love the knowledge. Sounds you get it. I’m trying to figure out the specific function of camber. I’m hearing on the track most cars run at -3 . Why? And why not -6 opposed to 0? Is that all 4 tires? Just fronts? Or just of?
I'm all about making your car unique and I love lowered cars on nice wheels but there is proper way to do it, and if you need -20 degrees camber to tuck fender then flare the damn fender or run narrower rims... Jesus I swear some of the stuff kids do to they're cars nowadays. Last week I saw a nice 370z with stupid camber, only half of the tread was even touching the road
Personally I can accept high negative/positive camber in purpose built machines. Some vintage racers used to have positive camber(Bugatti Type 35 as an example). Drifting cars negative. But that serves a purpose. High negative camber on anything else is just rice.
You literally need like less than 2 degrees of camber even on the most intense race cars... Camber is literally meant to make the tire flat when the tire needs it the most, which is at the highest lateral grip that the car can handle while turning due to body roll of the car. Drag cars need no camber, hell most cars on the street need no camber or less than 1 degree due to not reaching peak traction EVER..
Alex should seriously think about joining a professional musical industry. My ears have never felt so blessed by his godly ability to produce such an amazing sound. If he focuses on his musical talent, I'm 1000% sure that he'll make it far.
mo bamba is one of the most new york songs you can play today
Yo is that on iTunes yet ?
Take my money
You're too kind! We have been working on a song but you guys might have to wait for that one.👀😂🔥
Yeah.....He'll make it far away from civilization
@@kayjohn4924 ayoo
Number 1 myth about camber: -500 degrees looks cool.
Lol that's like having +140 degrees of camber
Ive always hated that mega camber slammed look. Something like 2-4 degrees actually looks good.
the ones that have a lot of camber dont give a flying fuck about your opinion tho, might as well just keep it to yourself and let them enjoy their car
@@narojdebeste you must drive one...
@@4BillC i dont, drive a slightly lowered e34 530i
Elon Husk
Every time i see a car with excessive camber, it makes it look like someone squished the car. It looks dumb IMO, however I think a little camber looks fine.
That mild camber lyfe. 🗝
I definitely agree with you on the crazy camber, not my thing. Though I can appreciate the way a car can look sitting a MM off the ground. To each their own. That's the best part of ownership. It's your snowflake baby, make it unique.
You look squished
I threw up in my mouth when that blue mazda popped up in the video
Then i said it looks like it was squashed when it drove away
Stance is the gateway to flying cars....lol
🚀
Stance a delorian then boom you have got back to the future
Yes, because the drugs they will give you in the mental asylum will probably get you high as a kite.
That would be nice if flying cars from the era you speak of resorted to positive camber over negative camber to fly...... #BackToTheFuture
I actually designed a flying car with jet propulsion like this in high school, always made sense to me to keep from side drifting
I've seen more camber bois in the US than Japan
The US loves our slanty bois
@@bradenautry5405 no we dont.
Me too, I’ve never been to Japan
Extreme camber originated in Japan. If your in the car scene. They're everywhere.
@@overthinking3573No you don't*
Lemme correct your comment
I run 12 degrees of camber on my e69 M3 because track day bro. Precision engineered.... to break.
😂😂😂
I got a little camber in the front . Rear has solid axle .
You are absolutely correct on the toe in and out ruining tires . The alignment is key ! Bad alignment means sawed tires lol
I think it would cool to see a list of how much camber is stock on some different cars.
Generaly from 0 to -1.5. My car is at -0.25 front and -0.67 rear for example
Great suggestion we could maybe make a longer video about this for you guys!
Google exists you know
@@tantaiki1316 Please explain how this Google machine you speak of works because I'm either too old/dumb to know how the internets works or I was just trying to help with ideas for future shows.
mine got 0.7 on the front and in between 1.5-2% on the rear. jaguar x-type 2l diesel.
*Extreme camber* and *functional* don't go together. All I hear is my oil pan scrapping and exhaust system being destroyed on a small bump.
and seriously if you have excessive camber then destroying your car would be a good thing.
Wanna see if your camber setup is ideal for your driving situation? Get a pyrometer (an infrared thermometer that can pick a spot less than 20 mm will do) and measure across the surface of the tread in three parts: inner edge, middle, outer edge. If the temperatures are within roughly 1* C (around 2* F) of each other then you're set. If one tire is excessively hotter or colder than its counterpart, then there's a load imbalance with the circuit/track that was just run (think NETCAR/Roundy-Round) relative to the alignment, or excessive toe applied to a wheel that's now dragging the tire along.
Static camber at -2* is very helpful once you've run through the suspension kinematics, and then take into account how much the lower control arm mounts "roll" when the body shell leans through a corner. Basically, the chassis roll pulls the lower control inward on the outer wheel, and adds overall camber to that side. If you end up rolling enough to "add" 4* of camber to the outside wheel, your -2* static starting point is to get you closer to vertical as the lower control arm compresses to compensate during that roll. Hopefully, you end up around +1* (yep, positive) to work the outside edge of the tire with the aggressive shoulder blocks if it's a correct tire for the application. If it's an all season tire, those will usually dissolve after 8 good runs on asphalt and 3 runs on grooved concrete. That's why running -2* static camber on aggressively driven street cars with so-so camber control makes all season tires last so long.
Of course if you slam the piss out of it and bring the control arms beyond horizontal, that's a whole other kinematics mess you're creating for yourself and everyone that's forced to share the road with you.
That one guy that is consistently swerving into the middle of the road to avoid any potholes or dips in the road. 😂
When purchasing an alignment/camber kit, purchase the entire kit. Some kits are purchased as either a one, two, or three piece kits. The more adjustments that can be made the more "dialed in" the suspension components are going to be. I have -3.0 degrees of camber on my Honda Accord Coupe with 275/35/19 tires on Advan RZII 19x10.0 et 35. The tires have already 35,000 miles on them. The tread wear, for the most, is even. My toe is set exactly to 0 degrees. It's true, camber (not insane camber) doesn't eat tire, it's toe. How do you get 0 degrees of toe on -3.0 degrees? By buying a complete camber kit. For me, it was a 3-piece kit for each side in the rear for the 2017 Accord. DON'T GO CHEAP. EITHER WAY, IF YOU DO, YOU WILL PAY FOR IT BY HAVING TO BUY MORE TIRES, ALIGNMENTS, AND DODGY CAR PARTS.
Matter of fact, when purchasing rims, check to see if a camber kit is available for your car. I was quite surprised to find out that Honda Accords don't have a front camber kit! Camber can also be a life saver in making a tire fit while providing a compliant ride.
I hate to say this, from my own personal experience, I never recommend going to dealership. However, dealerships, at times, have better alignment machinery than a run of the mill tire shop. Don't be cheap. Here in New Orleans there aren't a lot of high performance shops.
I said this before but gladly would illiterate that it is always best to pay a little extra to have your services done at a reputable dealer or a company that specializes in working with tuner rides.
I think this is a pretty interesting topic. I myself am the owner of SMP Automotive and deal with a ton of different cars and styles every single day. One of my personal cars is a bagged IS300 on Wed Kranze Bazreias. The wheels are 18x10.5 +22 and 18x11.5 +16 all fitting under stock body. It was definitely a quite a bit of work to get the car with close to matching camber front to rear, building to wheels to suit the desired camber angles, to clear the bigger Supra TT brake calipers, and to buy the correct suspension parts so everything works in unison.
My car drives like a dream, even with the excessive camber (-8/-10 at ride height), but only because I took the time to do everything right the first go around. Before the suspension rebuild, I knew the car had an issue with bump steer (when I was static) so I made sure to buy RCA spacers to correct this problem. I also used JZX100 front upper control arms, which is great for easy camber, until you realize the AirLift bag bellows are so large that they rub the spindle and inside of the control arm. So to combat this issue, I had to purchase Serial9 strut offset hats (basically camber plates) to move the air strut into a position that it does rub against anything. In the rear, I used TC Sportline upper control arms and to be able to set the toe in spec with excessive camber, Megan racing toe arms to get the alignment right.
The car sat on jack stands for about about two weeks while I assembled, refreshed, and measure from hub to fender lip using the wheels (before rebuild) and spacers so that I could determine the size of the new lips I wanted to buy. The tires last for a relatively good amount of time seeing that this car is my daily driver besides my Evo 9. I put roughly 10k miles on the Lexus a year with this setup and its been treating me fine so far.
The biggest thing I want people to take from this is a proper setup takes a bit of time, research, and thinking power for it to work in your favor. Some of the cars you see like T-Demand have tons of hours, thought, and thousands of dollars worth of suspension components so that the cars can achieve aggressive ride heights, wheel fitment, and drive quality. Take your time, do it right the first time, and enjoy your slanty wheel machine!
Check out my Lexus and give me a follow on IG @Ace_OnBase and find me on Facebook at Malik Mebane or SMP Automotive!
I agree with the "it's your car, do what you want with it" thing 100% as long as it's within safe limits. It's great for people to express themselves in their own ways via their car, even if it's something I don't necessarily like I can feel excited about the fact that it makes the owner happy. I just think that if your tires are so stretched that they'll de-bead just from being looked at wrong, plz stay far away from me because I didn't agree to possibly being hit by your car when it breaks at speed.
Keep your eyes peeled when you see those guys! 👀😂
Alex says that there are more parts needed to properly camber a car besides from camberplates. I think it would be nice to see a video on what parts you deff need to do it properly and how to set it up and adjust it
Please do a video on measuring for widebody fitment! I don't care if its boring. I can't find that stuff anywhere.
Kinda hard to do considering a widebody varies from car to car. How much of the fender you have to cut out, and then how much room you have is a bit tricky to determine.
We have a video with Jasper that we did this past summer, Although we might make a more in-depth video for you guys down the road!
Get a ruler and use the ole "I guess it will fit"
I've learned the hard way on my car xD lol
Thank you kanye very cool
Camber actually became popular in the early 90s with lowrider civics and stuff running like 13 and 14 inch deep dish wheels I don't even believe it was a performance thing back then it was just the dish of the wheel is so deep that it bent the control arms and everything at odd angles and produced the camber look
7:26 that black nissan president is life.
It was a y32 cima
This guy is mad knowledgeable on fitment and car mods. Great presentation
If you haven't already done it, could you guys make a video explaining how camber kits work, and how to set them up? Like what to do with double wishbone setups, macpherson strut setups, etc, how and why they need to take different parts. Because I had a hard time finding caster plates for my integra until the internet people told me it wouldn't work.
Also if there are any ways to adjust camber for function or auto x and get it dialed for maximum grippage with math and numbers if you can do such a thing.
Ok I'm sure y'all talked about it before but could y'all do myths about flush fitment. Or like a How to guide for flush fitment
Not really but we have something like this planned for a future videos we have a fair amount of fans who run flush fitment or really want to learn more about different fitments!
Fitment Industries Yeah I wanted to learn more about flush fitment, kinda wanna run it on my first car
@@FitmentIndustries make sure you do a guide for no gap, no stretch, "no" camber setup. That's my favorite.
Please include the mexican flush style in that video as well.
I run -3 up front and -1.6 rear on my Integra and actually drive it on the track. Handles very well with 15x8 wheels and 225/45/15 Toyo R1R's
How much do you pay for your tires? I was considering the r1r myself
@@lukesites2457 like $600 shipped from tirerack. They might be hard to find right now since it's listed as "Extreme Performance Summer Tire". On the track they didn't begin to lose grip until toward the end of a 20min session. Came in a bit too hot and went off into the dirt. For daily use they were great. Being in SoCal I can't say much for how they handled in the wet, but on the rare occasion that I did drive the car in the rain I wasn't sketched out. Thinking about trying out Federal RS-RR's or Achilles ATR-K Sports this Spring/Summer.
You got coilovers? If so how low are you? I got around the same wheel size and tires(size) lol I want to slam it as much as possible but want to make sure the wheels fit under the fender,I could run camber but that's another expense and it's not like I'm tracking it
thank you for saying camber wear doesnt wear out tires quicker. camber wear just means the insides are more worn but my ls400 run -3 in the front and -5 in the rear and have to explain to a million people that toe is what kills tires, not camber. I also would add that -3 in the rear is almost never function in my opinion. I think -2 in the rear is function and -3 in the front is max for function but then again its all about how people set up their suspension and how they have their specific geometry
Andrew Miller id be ashamed to drive a cambered car
Crusty Sock well shit i’d be ashamed to have that trash ass “diss” on my channel so to each their own I guess
Thanks for another great information video , I kinda always assumed cambered did create more wear but in fact toe does do more damage thanks , and just FYI back in the 50s 60, cambered was used on the old figure 8 race tracks that are now long gone so good bye good ole days !
The only real function behind excessive camber to fit wide wheels is that sole reason, to fit the wheel without rubbing lip or tire too bad. Although excessive camber is still functional, as in you can still drive the car pretty much the same with the exception of tire wear increasing.
Excessive camber would increase your stopping distance and slow your acceleration down depending on the amount of power due to the much smaller contact patch.
Josh Frye you think anyone running excessive camber cares about that
@@Artics Not until they slam into the back of another car because they couldn't stop fast enough. But, no, no they don't.
Josh Frye driving around town you arent gonna know the difference when it comes to braking speed, it’s like having a big wing on your car, you arent gonna feel a difference until you’re going fast as hell
Ive been watching inu yasha for a couple weeks now I'm so proud of you Alex
I run between minus 2-3 degrees negative camber at the front and have never had an issue with tyre wear.
If anything my tyre wear is better and more even. I
As long as your toe is in check.
The extra camber is noticeable through the steering.
Steering becomes a little heavier but when cornering you really feel the tyres stick a lot more.
Great info man, We would love to see your ride sometime. You should upload some pictures to our gallery sometime! bit.ly/2obqAZQ
You got my like just for mentioning Inuyasha
I’d like to see a video on how excessive camber on the front axle benefits angle and grip at full lock for drifting and how angle kits with lower control arms push out the bottom of the wheel for more camber and angle vs. upper control arms that pull in the top of the wheel for camber which is usually for looks mostly. And why “drift car” setups are usually 0 camber in rear axle if not even a little bit positive camber while the front axle is upwards of -9 and why drift cars do that. Also bring to point that pretty much all Formula Drift cars are running a massive amount of camber in front.
Great suggestion if we ever get Jasper back maybe him and Brian can make that video! 🙌
He forgot to mention drifting, even formula drift cars have a decent amount of noticeable camber on the front to counter the angle the wheels have to turn at. A lot of cars at these shows are drift cars so you’ll see a lot of camber there. However, yeah most are just for show, and we love it 🖤
that G35 you cut to was beautiful
To find the correct amount of camber for performance you track your car and measure tyres temps with a laser thermometer the outside edge should be close to the inside edge temperature after a couple laps if it’s too much the inside edge will be hot if it’s not enough the outside edge will be hot
I will love to see an episode that talks about performance alignment and suspension setup.
bring back jasper
🖤🖤🖤🖤
who is jasper
that is elon musk
Finish college first foo. 👀🙄😂
Your mumble is on point!
Why does that Odessey low key look clean af
Excessive camber was used in serious racing back in the day. check out the Milliken MX-1
Really good video but i couldnt get over that one note in the background music. Kept making me think i was hearing someone smacking a pot with a spoon or something.
Myth: Camber looks cool
Really it depends the set up to me
@@youtuberbayleexiong908Yeah, it looks good as long as its not too much
You know its about to be a good week when Fitment Industries hits us with that double upload on a Monday. 🙏
BLESSED!🙏🏼❤️
japan: ah yes, car culture. I think i will advance this on global scale
one Midwestern boi: bazooka style
I really dislike the look of excessive camber/stancey builds, but it was interesting to learn about it.
Hey at least you learned something!
Can you guys do a video on aircups
A great suggestion we have more videos like this on the way so stay tuned we plan to cover over suspension kits and companies and such!
Alex is a slanty boi at heart
Please talk about D2 suspension.
PS. Very informative video
A great suggestion we actually have a list of suspension companies we are going to be reviewing soon.
I have D2 coilovers on my lancer sportback gts 💪💪
6:54 I think the term you're looking for is itasha
People are really sensitive whether it be about functional or form.
When I was younger I actually always taught that mustang was the coolest "exotic" car in the world, right after c6 corvette of course
Nr1 mistake I see all the time - people throw coilovers on cars and don't retention and reset other suspension components , and forget about alignment. Usualy after lowering car you get excessive positive toe that rips your new Chinese rubber apart
so keen to see some kansei wheels here in australia eventually
You're encouraging them Alex !!!!
most of cars in the video clips and even the thumbnail is a VIP style car. Would be nice to see a video on what vip style cars 👌
Drop a dope mumble beat and song. Easy publicity.
Don't insult my culture
Does excessive camber hurt other components like putting extra strain on hubs/bearings and bushings? Sure looks like it does, but I have nothing to back that up.
pdot86
Probably on the bearings, but I wouldn’t thing so on the bushings or ball joints
Definitely, a little wear and tear on the bearing when your talking excessive camber but this is over time and varies on how much camber you have?
How do you guys not have more subscribers??? Great stuff!
Were working for it! 💪🏼😂👀
That was the greatest intro in the history of this channel
Bold statement cotton! 😅
Camber gang since 85' with the hot wheels! That's what alot of these cars remind me of that ride with camber. A little is nice and necessary to tuck wheels, I get it.....but I guess I'm just old school.
A little bit can be used to correct the ackerman/ contact patch at full lock too.
Mom, I swear I need it for driving in the snow.
Hahahaha
You are awesome for mentioning Inu Yasha
Building on a budget question, should you get suspension or wheels first?
Suspension
2nd comment but fr i love this channel i can confirm that they know what their doing i work at discount tire and bascially know everything about tires and wheels and "function"😅 so you can say I spent a lot of time in the fitment section on my free time on the computer messing with diffrent fitment selections🤙
Love your videos. Awesome work.
Thank you sir! 🙏🏼❤️
Im slightly cambered, but my issues is negative camber. That shit kills my tires, and axles; I've replaced my axles twice.
this is gonna make me feel like a hella tyte jdm fanboi, but it's pronounced bo-so-zu-ku and the anime wrap style is called i-ta-sha. Itasha roughly translates to "painful car", which is funny so
Anime style decals are called "Itasha"
Imagine a slammed chaser with 30° negative camber riding on two wheels. It will turn into 30 degrees of positive camber.
People build cars for fun and looks. It's your car and that's fine as quoted. Now people go like what is it, 20 degrees or more of camber because it looks "cool". But it isn't a show car, they go on the street and highway with these cars with barely contact to the surface. Has there ever been done a video of braking distance on a car with 20 degree camber vs a normal car? Would suck if somebody were to rear end you because they thought camber looks cool.
The miata clip at the beginning is taken at my old elementary school
weird flex but ok
Can we discuss toe in toe out more in depth? If my little bit of camber that’s barely noticeable isn’t causing me to replace my rear tires once a month it must be my toe adjustment
Hey, I've replaced my old damaged 16" wheels by 17" on a 2nd gen Miata (had negative camber of 0.11 or something), but now I've got positive camber. I can't use camber plates as it needs 3 bolts and my damper only have 2. Want are the ways to modify camber ? More likely for a practical/track purpose
Lets check out your options shoot us an email at wheels@fitmentindustries.com
I'll be right back !
Fitment Industries always doing the most... I know it's late but cograts on the 100k + milestone... Also how long does it usually take you guys to make a single video?
Depends on the video but about 8 hours to film and edit!
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I be out here in my caaaaaaar, Staaaaaaaaaalling!
@@TheOrangeKou 😂😂😂😂
Third wheel from the left in the second row. What are those called? They look so good.
Those would be some forged Enkei wheels!
I found a video about the “washer trick” to add camber. The dude said 5 washers on the bottom and 3 on top and adding washers as needed to match the other side. How well would that actually work?
Those boom bap drums helped my ears get cleansed after that horrible mumble crap 😂
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@@FitmentIndustries i need to know track ID bro ;)
I got a question. What is the smallest tire u can fit on a 11.5 wheels, 225/35?
should've featured elon musk in this video too
So I'm doing a Mini build for autocross. I'm considering very mild camber, but how would I decide how much I need?
So you want a drift car.
So you want to daily a drift car.
So you want a 240sx.
I want a 240 if you can't tell lmao
The first time I noticed camber on a car was in the mid 90's in BTCC super touring days.... Back then the BTCC cars did run quite aggressive camber
Were people more accepting back then to the little bit of camber they were seeing?
It was seen as a racing 🏁 thing. The BTCC has a lot of tight cornering circuits so the aggressive camber was a way at getting the family car base to take corners quickly.... Look up BTCC Super Touring for yourself. It's great motorsport. In the 90's the BTCC was the king of motorsports and manufacturers were throwing crazy money at cars. Renault paid the Renault Formula 1 engineers to build the Renault Laguna. So it was fast.
I think the crazy excessive chamber is stupid! Along with stretching tires. It looks terrible and can't preform good.
Ok here's a silly question:
If you are running some sort of air ride, does the higher ride height make the car stiffer? And along with that when the car is lowered does that make it ride "spongy"?
That’s a good ass question and you got me scratching my head now😂
How do you know the right amount of camber for performance?
Based on a lot of different variables, I would check out a forum with help with this!
I need to know what that bronze 5 spoke wheel is behind you lol
Reckless entertainment
Yes those are dope
Kansei KNP
I need to know what the 5 spoke te37 style wheels are
Reckless entertainment The bronze ones look like fifteen52s
ok found out they are kanseis. Haven't come out yet thi
Fella, love the knowledge. Sounds you get it. I’m trying to figure out the specific function of camber. I’m hearing on the track most cars run at -3 . Why? And why not -6 opposed to 0? Is that all 4 tires? Just fronts? Or just of?
You guys should do more videos for us auto x and track guys.
Best tires (spoiler alert re71r😂)
What’s a good suspension to run
Stuff like that
jim k It’s called FITMENT industries. There’s plenty of other channels that are autox/track inspired.
Ed I got wheels from them and I’m an autocross guy. Should i just return them if this channel is only for stance guys?
Great suggestion man we have plenty of ideas in the pipeline for you guys stay tuned!
Hey, now we appreciate you homie. We don't want you to return yo sh*t!❤️
Fitment Industries naa I’m not planning on it 😂 just letting Ed know I don’t appreciate that attitude!
Poke fitment matters too guys!
I'm running 2.75 camber with a tad of poke on my 2018 wrx 19x9.5 .22 wrapped in 255/35 Toyo proxies
You should upload your ride to our gallery sometime! bit.ly/2obqAZQ
@@FitmentIndustries it is tho 🤣
Preach brother. No love for the guys that "messed up" lol
@@customcrusherhd7294 LOL it's my favorite look 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Most of these cambers make me cry...
I'm all about making your car unique and I love lowered cars on nice wheels but there is proper way to do it, and if you need -20 degrees camber to tuck fender then flare the damn fender or run narrower rims... Jesus I swear some of the stuff kids do to they're cars nowadays. Last week I saw a nice 370z with stupid camber, only half of the tread was even touching the road
Personally I can accept high negative/positive camber in purpose built machines. Some vintage racers used to have positive camber(Bugatti Type 35 as an example). Drifting cars negative. But that serves a purpose. High negative camber on anything else is just rice.
do you recommend putting camber kit for air suspension? only for show and daily driving not for tracks..
Yes!
camber kit is assential cant stress it
Really good video can't believe u complete missed the whole reason people run crazy camber on drift cars
Can you go fast on camber if it’s not -3? Also how do stretches tires do? It’s not an excessive amount but I’m curious
Love the intro lmao. Mumble rap lmao
You literally need like less than 2 degrees of camber even on the most intense race cars...
Camber is literally meant to make the tire flat when the tire needs it the most, which is at the highest lateral grip that the car can handle while turning due to body roll of the car.
Drag cars need no camber, hell most cars on the street need no camber or less than 1 degree due to not reaching peak traction EVER..
He really does look like Elon tho
Hi,
I’m thinking to buy ‘86 for track. Doesn’t matter Subaru or Toyota. What would be your guys take on it?