Sovol SV-08 Cross Examination (Broken Pins?)
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In case of bad conscience every customer is free to give some extra money to voron.
my take on the voron stuff, at least as far as the design:
you can't open source things under a license that allows commercial usage, and then get upset when someone uses your open source work.
Who's upset? Haven't seen anyone upset at all. Odd to see so many people parroting that sentiment in here...
Not to mention Sovol's design is also Open Source, which continues the spirit of the movement.
You're right but that isn't what people had concerns about. Its that Sovol is actively using Voron branding to sell. They are well within their rights to commercialize like you said, but there its not as clear if they are allowed to use their naming. I know that Voron asked them to not use their branding. I also believe no one on the Voron team complained that it existed just the use of their name. If they just marketed it as a great corexy then there really isn't an issue, but when you market it as Voron but cheaper that's more questionable. I think its cool, I even own an Sv06 Plus because I think Sovol makes good value platforms that just need to be upgraded to be complete.
@@SP4RT4N14 They aren't using Voron branding. The only thing they say is it's a Voron inspired design, which is factual.
@@802Garage I would disagree, between them tweeting using the voron name and the marketing stunt of the donation, they are trying to tie their printer to the Voron name. If you watch this video, they even talk about the use the Voron branding. Also their "release video" was a youtuber that they have sponsed for a while, release an exclusive first video, spending most of the time comparing it to a Voron. Again I think this is a cool, great value product, the marketing just seems questionable.
comment on the injection molding, it is indeed a lot of engineering involved, its not easy to design for injection molding, you cant just take something that is 3D printable and magically make an injection molding die with it. Sovol clearly put some thought into the design for mass production.
I love this casual look and chat
Same, It would be fun to have guests on more often. Maybe set up a few camera angles so it's not just a static shot the whole time
it's not being marketed as voron, it's being marketed as voron inspired.
I gotta say, the SV 08 is tempting. Even if only because I love the look of Voron's machine, but I'm not really interested in spending something like 20-30 hours assembling one. If the Voron team released something similar, an easy to assemble Voron kit I could build in an hour, I would be sold.
Nathan built it in one hour though?
@@Owen_dB One hour to build a v2.4? That seems quite fast. One hour to build a v0 should be doable though. If you are already quite familiar with the design and have all the tools on hand to do it, might be possible? If you have to flip to and from the manual because you are not sure of the orientation of the parts it would take longer.
@@Owen_dBNathan built a sovol, Turrin is referring to the 30+ hours a big voron kit takes
Tuning takes much more time anyway regardless of what you buy. Unless you buy a bambu and hide issues away with overaggressive input shaping.
Look into the vivedino troodon its another good voron clone. More of a mass production redesigned voron than a voron inspired printer. And it comes preassembled!
2:40 - "This is a little sus. Have you modified this at all?"
Luke knows Nathan. 😀
Indeed!
"heavily marketed as a Voron" -- is it? When I looked I found one mention of Voron on the web page for the SV08. Unfortunately they baked so much text into photos I couldn't just do a word search on the page. I don't have any emails from Sovol so I can't judge that.
Ask any youtuber who is reviewing this what it's similar to.
TH-camrs are arguably the largest part of 3D printer marketing.
@@NathanBuildsRobotsok but that isnt entirely directly “they” unlesd you dont mean sovol but instead mean people on the internet? Thats a bit disengenius to say.
Product page has been updated ahead of the live stream at noon. Now has options for an enclosure and upgraded screen. Also a lot more info in the product details section. Actually does mention being Voron inspired now. Lots of complex English so they actually paid someone to localize properly. Looking pretty good.
First 500 or so buyers got an absolutely killer price of $449. Pretty awesome at that price. They made over 1,000 sales with the initial live stream. :)
Really like this informal discussion approach. Good stuff NBR.
Compared to other videos on the SV08, this one really stands out in a very positive way.
- It's TWO people taking a look
- They are both VERY informed
Plus, the underlying excitement about 3D-printing is so prevalent and infective.
Love it!
The kamp function has been integrated into klipper now. It's a couple of "adaptive" properties on the bed_mesh_ calibrate command. for example:
BED_MESH_CALIBRATE ADAPTIVE=1 ADAPTIVE_MARGIN=5
More Luke videos, love his perspective.
Luke with his pack and jacket throughout the whole video looks like he's preparing to book it out the door at any moment.
I really liked the SV05 I considered that the bang for the buck printer of that size. The recent price before they apparently sold out was great. Hoping this becomes the best bang for the buck 350mm corexy machine. Id be fine buying some of these vs putting together another voron or modding a tronxy x5sa to vzbotish machine. For me 330x330 is becoming the minimum size I need for a lot of my printers so im kind of excited about this one.
The hotend though. Why proprietary??
If the first one I get turns out to work for me Ive got several cr10ish things Ive put together ill be selling real cheap or maybe donating to the local steam academy for kids. Replace those with these.
Proprietary is alot cheaper
Nice, very cool
Nice video ❤❤❤
This was nice!
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hmm Sovol SV-08 or troodon pro. Both look good. Troodon is more up-gradable, SV-08 looks more polished, looks like it starts out with a cambus and camera.
Somebody noted the canbus was actually just usb. Not sure how far they dug into it.
having built a voron 2.4, I agree that 2 bucks is about all they can afford to give to the project. It is a derivative work, and if they publish the CAD, I could even see it being reasonably modable. That Plastic bottom frame is the major weak point I worry about. One of the first things I'd probably do is replace the toolhead with something easier to mod.
It's more complete than a lot of what creality puts out. It would benefit quite a bit from a look at the Voron 2.4s macros.
They failed to mention that the plastic bottom frame is OVER the bottom extrusions. They are using standard 4040 I think there. So, bottom extrusions with corner joints for the motor/leg combo, boxed support for the electronics, and bed support with the plastic covering all that. Not just plastic.
@@davedempsey5282 That would make it a lot less concerning.
They market it as a Voron Tribute dont they?
The web page has no mention of Voron.
drive.google.com/file/d/1jFSTTMkqORme31BHm5XX53JORCCONEvt/view?usp=sharing
Oh good... they found someone with the ability to give a true substantive impressions video lol... apart from the filament runout sensor, I wonder what else he broke.
I get the feeling that Nathan wanted him to pick it apart and was mildly surprised at how much he liked it.
I see both sides, as niche communities develop a parasocial relationship with things and get protective of stuff that doesn't matter.
I like this, as someone who does tons of klipper stuff, and low level printer modding, and while fully capable of building one, I do not have the fuckin time to build a voron.
This would be a fantastic middle ground for me and my current army of modded klipper ender 3's and 5+'s.
Now this is a real review too many youtubers are under the assumption 3d printers are for businesses owners!!! This is a hobby stop criticizing stuff hobbyists dont care about
So the funny part is that my buisness is centered around getting other businesses the 3d printing services, machines, and upgrades they need! It's definitely more than a hobby
Isn't Voron open source?!
I don't understand the whining...
I think the voron community needs to think about what an ideal collaboration would look like, and post some guidelines with how they would like to, or not like to, work with companies.
Agreed, from a strictly practical and legal perspective, there is nothing to complain about. But they are a sort of like a social movement, with their own dogma.
the complaints have mainly come more from the perspective of voron as a whole is supposed to be an entirely diy with majority off the shelf parts with easy modification based on what you see fit. they don’t hate on the printer, they just want it to be known that it isn’t a voron 2.4 whatsoever, it’s the sovol sv08 flying gantry corexy 3d printer. don’t look at it like you’re buying a prebuilt voron is more of the main takeaway they’re trying to stress
@@bcuttytv Not comparing this to the 2.4 is like not comparing the K1C to the X1C, or the PRUSA Mini to the A1.
Same reason coffee shops will open up right across the street from each other. It's easier to poach someone else's customers than to create your own scene.
Calling it a 2.4 clone is probably the most accurate statement.
The same form factor, same motion components, same underlying firmware, similar specs. And the open-source nature of the product is inviting people to create mods for it.
I think this will recruit quite a few people into the Sovol ecosystem who may have otherwise built a voron. Hopefully it makes a situation where both gain popularity. But we'll have to see how it pans out.
@@NathanBuildsRobots It definitely was designed as a 2.4 clone but due to how much the 2.4 can range design wise based on the end user’s specifications, they advise from the average consumer looking at it like that. those other comparisons you made make entire sense though but those are also all fully built machines not meant to differ in any way from one to the other so those are comparisons expected to have. If more flying gantry printers were on the market then they could compare against that but a 2.4 is all that’s really out so it’s an understandable comparison, but they’re trying to advise against it due to not being the same form of machine. Like comparing the Ender 3 V3 to an Enderwire, makes sense due to motion system but one has a lot more variables you can set than the other does in which they can be entirely different machines at the end of the day performance wise.
I think Sovol could have avoided much of the community grousing by honestly marketing the SV08 as a 3D printer for people who would like a Voron 2.4 but will not spend the time or money for the full custom experience. The SV08 isn't a mass produced Voron 2.4. It's a commercial printer designed to appeal to people who like the Voron 2.4 features. It's almost an 80/20 version of the Voron 2.4 - 80% of the features for a bit more than 20% of the price and way less than 20% of the build time.
Need more beacon
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Why are people pretending that moving gantry style was invented by voron.
less then 600, 150 for the enclosure kit later
I bet the enclosure will cost something like that, hopefully a little cheaper but it is a lot of acryllic.
Better yet, DIY your own enclosure with corrugated plastic panels that you can get at home depot. Would probably only cost $20!
If you don't have no idea to build something by yourself, you will pay.
Elegoo, Sovol and Creality don't generally gouge customers for parts so I'd be surprised if four acrylic panels and a door are more than $60, although these manufacturers do charge a bit more for upgrades as opposed to repair parts. Even if Sovol doesn't get too greedy, there will be inexpensive laser cut acrylic covers for the SV08 on Amazon... probably in a week.
@@NathanBuildsRobots - Corrugated plastic? La ti da! Ain't you fancy! I'm thinking mostly nonflammable corrugated cardboard... maybe even from the SV08 shipping box. Duct tape door hinge. Something something magnets.
@@NathanBuildsRobotsYou know you just made me realize you could do aluminum side panels pretty cheap from any decent metal supplier. 😂 Cheaper than acrylic or PETG probably.
Sovol is pretty good at copying good printer designs and selling them for cheap. They could be great if for once they could just go 6-12 months without releasing a new printer and instead fix all the problems with an existing machine and work on improving the user experience
To be fair, it has been a while since the SV07 released. I just think the SV07 was a step back from the SV06, just with Klipper added. The SV06 Plus with a Klipper pad was their best printer to date IMO.
They don't. That's how shitty businesses earn money. Throw this unmaintained garbage's model files out, label it "open source", then let community wipe their asses.
I have a SV06 Plus with the Sovol Klipper Pad. I've not had any other problems with it other than the linear rod bearings they use are crap and make noise and vibrate the Y-axis a lot when the bed moves. They also weren't greased from the factory at all, grease was only provided in a tube with the printer. Other than that, it has been a great printer in the 6 months I've had it.
About the Voron open source stuff, it IS legal (open source) so anyone can make and use it commercially, but you don't want to look like an ass.
See: Microsoft staffer begging ffmpeg maintainers to fix a (for them) 'high priority thing' because their product uses it.
Sovol's design is also open source, so I see no issue.
No drop testing. I'm out!
I did some pretty aggressive splash testing, doesn’t that count?
@@NathanBuildsRobots Flying-outta-the-window-test coming in the next video?
@@NathanBuildsRobots it’s not the same. Don’t stop til you drop!
this is the kind of deep dive EVERY printer needs. need a Nathan x AuroraTech x Luke super collab
+ BV3D for the puns.
I can't picture Aurora doing that. She doesn't do casual chatty stuff. Maybe they could each to a segment and hand off.
wow those layers are weak
Thank you for watching till the end!
@@NathanBuildsRobots 😁
For a 12 Minute benchy i would call it normal, if you print normal parts you have standart layer adhession and will be still faster than the Bambulab X1
There seem to be a bit of bed adhesion probably due to z offset a bit off
@@felix_972disagree, need more meltzone for proper fast parts
Hi
The blue color look horrible haha but it looks interesting as a modding and learning coreXY as the Ender KE is now for bedslingers (EDIT: it's obvious that the KE isn't a coreXY, I was referring to modding and learning aspect, but just for @TNX255 ;-) ). I wonder if the price will be interesting compared to the new Creality K series.
The Ender 3 KE isn't CoreXY.
@@TNX255 you miss the point, the KE is a great bedslinger entry level, I was referring to that.
@@ImSoMagic Yet you wrote it's a coreXY :D
Have you looked into the cartographer 3d probe at all?
I have not. I tend not to do custom part integration on machines as often anymore, because it can take days to get working right, and it doesn't make sense from a time-investment perspective.
It's unfortunate, because I do like that sort of stuff. But it's a niche within a niche.
Beacon clone. It's terrible
They took Beacons design and software and are not contributing back to the project. They also aren't selling them that much cheaper considering all the work was done for them.
@@grasstreefarmer well the appeal is the cartographer is actually half the price of the beacon. With the beacon we are looking at spending 65$-90$ for a probe (if you are out of the US it’s going to be over that price range) which is kind of ridiculous.
No temp comp, no work other than copy paste, no contact, can't can't call it hot garbage because it doesn't live above 60c ambient.
When voron build jk screw voron build a vzbot or annex k3
What the Voron people whining failed to understand is they're a minority. The vast amount of people expect most printers to work out of the box. They don't want a project. This is one of the primary reasons why Bambu Labs became so popular and people are heavily criticizing Prusa Labs for charging 5 grand on a printer with major issues out of the box.
Where whining? Who asked? stfu
FWIW I am pretty familiar with Voron and I didn't even realize the Voron 2.4 existed until I saw the release of this printer teased and looked into it. This is going to introduce a ton of people to the concept of Voron period. A huge percentage of Creality and Bambu Lab owners have probably never heard of Voron or at least specific models. Plus, Voron is open source. The whole point is anyone can use the design. Sovol is not claiming this is a Voron from anything I have seen. The important part is just that they open source their design as well, which I believe they always do. So, as long as it's a good printer, everyone wins.
nowhere on there webside do they meantion voron so i have no idea where you are getting that from
They are affiliated with people who are comparing it to a voron. You have to take some responsibility for what the people you are hiring as salesmen are going to say - their pursuit of this segment was asking for it anyways.
I no longer have interest in tinkering on 3D printers. I want reliable tools that I can use to create things. My X1-C has pushed my other four FDM printers one step from storage at this point in time. I'd never build a Voron. But I might buy this for large scale printing projects.
UPDATE 04/18/2024: SOVOL changed the page that the email link went to, and the price is now showing as $549.
Sovol sent out marketing emails for the SV-08 yesterday, the day before their official announcements. The emails show that they selling this for $1,500, nowhere near the $500 to $1,000 that you are thinking.
1500 would absolutely kill this project. Under 1k, fine, maybe, but over that, it's absolutely no. I'd rather build a voron or even buy a Troodon at that price.
Citation needed
If you're remotely handy and slightly masochistic you should just build an LDO Voron for under like $1500 US and be able to replace anything when Sovol doesn't exist.
Do NOT build a machine larger than 250 unless you know you need it. The Voron 350 is pretty big and difficult to move and I'm 6'3". My wingspan barley lets me precariously lift it. If I could do it again I'd prob do a 300 ro even a 250.
IMO, stealing the design and marketing it is scammy as hell. I know that's not a word. I will never support a company like this.
they didn't steal anything, that is not how it works and you totally missed the point.
They didn’t steal anything, a voron is open source they don’t even have to give money back to them, but they are, the only thing they had to do was make it open source like a voron. If you think this is stealing then you should be mad about every 3-D printer company under the sun, making an i3 clone for the past decade
This thing is relatively easy to lift since the aluminum extrusions are light.
I don't know, they are using the design and community goodwill to sell stuff. Is that a crime? Probably not. Is it in bad taste? Sort of. Is some donation better than nothing? IDK, if the point of the donation is to announce it and provide good optics it seems disingenuine.
It begs the question, what does the ideal collaboration with Voron Design look like?
@@NathanBuildsRobots Most of "the community" is against it. They seem to feel threatened. Sorry but this is what more casual printer people want. And there is a HUGE difference between $1500 and under $600. Yes, under $600 is their acknowleged price point, with 2 levels of early bird buyers under $500 and more under $500. You can't buy many newly launched Klipper bedslingers this size for that. The closest thing mechanically I know of is the Phrozen Arco, also a flying gantry sort of voron with 300x300x350 build size for $849. That one has a $300 add on AMS and a $150 add on enclosure kit.
@@NathanBuildsRobots It's just ridiculous to go after Sovol of all companies in this corner of the market. Voron Design have been collaborating frequently with LDO, who AFAIK have a regular donation set up, not a per-unit one. All the others might have gotten better, I ain't really up to date, but at least started out truly scummy. Subpar parts across the board (including fire hazards), the Troodons didn't even acknowledge being copies of Vorons, one of the major Voron kit sellers (the name escapes me at the moment) even tried to steal the trademark, and the Voron Design team isn't getting any money from any of them. By contrast, the Sovol SV08 is marketed as Voron-inspired, which acknowledges their work, while at the same time making clear that Voron Design aren't responsible for any specific quality issues with these machines, has actually received some distinct engineering work by Sovol, and is at least kicking back two bucks per sale. (Well, "trust, but verify," but given Sovol's open source track record, I see no reason to doubt them.)
It seems rather clear to me that "the community" is simply upset that they're becoming less of an exclusive club. Modding my Enders (E5Pro & E2Pro) has probably been the most enjoyable part of my 3D-printing journey, and as such I very much still plan on building at least two Vorons (a moving gantry IDEX with ERCF and a moving bed toolchanger), but it's hard to put aside budgets for them, which makes the SV08 rather tempting.
It really is my dream machine from even just one year ago. I would love to be able to just pull one whole Z drive assembly off my V2.4 and work on it outside the machine. The Voron 2.4 is very well designed but so integrated by neccessity because it uses commonly available parts. I have zero doubt it would look very different if they could have had custom parts made from the start.
I'm sure if it is popular enough we will eventually see upgrades for it like aluminium motor, XY and idler mounts. Maybe drop in AWD and IDEX gantries? Then it just needs a Beacon and maybe a new toolhead.
Look appealing.. did you experienced any issues similar to Nero3D ?
He did not is my understanding.