Sovol SV08 or Troodon 2.0 - Which Voron Clone Is Right For You?
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Seems like evaluating a machine you don't HAVE is jumping ahead of yourself!!!! Your self importance is showing.
Thanks for watching!
Your ignorance is showing. You did not watch the video. In the 1st 1.30 minutes he quotes MANY big name TH-camrs and their reviews. What they liked and did not like. He did NOT need the machine to do this video. (the video being comparison of features between the two printers) If you watched the video you would know that but instead you made a foolish comment that makes me think your thinking of your own self importance...
@@stevedegeorge726 You should not tell me "how sweet the orange is" when you did not taste it! I watched Aldrich video to get "HIS" evaluation, not someone else.
@@shabtaievan6874 bro apply this same logic to other things. I cant tell you how fast a car goes, even though theres clear evidence its maxed out at 130. or I cant tell you how to fill up gas in this car because I dont have that car and i use diesel. its not 100% a valiod argument. we have to be able to observe and make decisions. i assume this guy knows 3d printers so that gives him enough to make an educated observation
@@openpalmclosedfist2282 I don't know what "openpalmclosedfist" means? Probable is an interesting story. But anyway I admire how each respondent was intelligent and had a view worth listen to. thanks guys. I wish the rest of the world worked like this. 3D printing what a great hobby!!! Very much like machining, both CNC and not.!!!
FYI, that blue on the injection molded parts has been used on multiple printers now. So it is more of a consistent branding thing to have at this point.
Yeah, I get that is their brand color so I can see why they used it here. I still think it looks kinda "cheap" but also I haven't seen it in person, so I could be totally off base here.
Maybe. But that does not change the fact it makes their Printers look cheap. And i don't mean budget. I mean cheap.
Sovol has open sourced the entire printer. And I am getting a lot of good opinion about it. The only point I see of value is that Troodon is the full metal build. So it may last better over the long run. But cannot be said for sure because engineering is what makes it better. Sovol seems to have done a good job. . You can mod the printer given the entire cad and designs are open sourced. Maybe we can retrofit a stealthburner head.
Yeah I just watched The Next Layer's video about upgrading and modding the sv08 and it seems pretty good. Great how much they've put out with the printer. It seems that maybe my criticisms in this video might age-like-milk, but that would be a good thing! Should be pretty easy to mount a stealth burner
@@designbydave just waiting for mine to arrive. I was thinking on the same lines too.
Got your channel recommended because of your Troodon! I love my Troodon; I use it to make a specific product for my business that needs the bed size.
When I saw the SV08 was a thing, I was excited for the prospect of a cheaper 350 volume CoreXY. I'm skeptical after seeing the info out there though. Really disappointed they used an inductive probe, and the 0.6 bed variance Nero got. My Troodon's bed is .1 variance after a 5 min heat soak (using Klicky), and the product I'm printing really needs the flatness as the first layer is one of the big selling points. It doesn't seem like the SV08 will be able to provide the flat bed I need.
I hope they fix the issues, as the price is very compelling for what you get. Definitely won't be going early bird and being a glorified beta tester though!
Well thanks for the sub! I'm hoping to bring more 3D Printing specific content in the future.
Hey quick question if you can, the Troodon says up can do up to 500c nozzle temps, does it ship with a hotend that can do those temps out of box already installed, or do you have to order and install one their dragon hotends yourself to get up to 500c?
@@kennywolfam1997 I would think it's safe to assume that if they are advertising 500, then it can do 500. However I feel that's somewhat of a moot point and just a case of "bigger number more better" type advertising. As far as I know, any material that prints at ~500C ALSO requires a chamber temperature of 100-200C +, which this printer definitely can not do.
@@designbydave
I present to you PPS CF for your consideration in particular the Luvocom® 3F PPS CF 9938 BK. This filament does not need a heated chamber, but can require 340c nozzle temps. So I agree 500c is overkill but some of the filaments I'm seeing justify at least 400c capacity.
@@kennywolfam1997 Interesting, I'll check that stuff out!
Honestly I think the title is clickbait. You shouldn't do a comparison video on a 3D printer you do not have.
This is the first time I have seen any of your videos. For those of us who work in different fields a voron is a very time-consuming project. The SV08 actually gives me a chance to try some of the voron 2.4 advantages like a flying gantry for a great price and minimal time expendeture for building. I pre-ordered it and hoped it would be out sometime last month like advertised. I do realize things take time and I would prefer to wait if improvements are going to be made over time. Even if it's just software improvements making the process easier. You asked about Soval's products. I have owned a couple. They are the best bang for the buck. Unfortunately like most other modern companies they rush products out and software is minimally if optimized at all. Hardware wise they tend to be the best in their price range.
I agree with you and honestly debated on making this video at all. The context is that I had just uploaded my video about my experiences with the Troodon 2.0 (another "Voron clone") when the videos for this printer started to drop. I guess I felt the need to chime in and at least compare the feature set.
I've ordered the SV08 with enclosure and 5" screen for 729, can't wait to receive it
I see now that they are offering it with those additional features. Sounds good and still at at good price. Hope it works out for you!
Very glad you have this video, these are the exact two printers I was debating getting, and I suppose it will depend if indeed I can get the Sovol SV08 for the illusive $500 early bird price point. Otherwise getting a higher build quality with a Sealthburner and panels now is a major plus worth quite a bit extra cash.
Glad you found it helpful. I guess we'll see when the SV08 starts shipping.
Mate its sovol dont be the early bird.
Just wait for a while to see actual people on reddit bitch about their sv08s if it still seems good then buy it.
But for the 6 plus it took a while for the screwups to be ironed out.
@@bertkooijmans4769 Sadly, this is the case for pretty much any product release these days.
@@designbydave cant say for sure myself i just straight up dont understand wich printer is the new model from creality ender 3 is basically just a brand from creality haha
@@bertkooijmans4769 Creality's branding is a mess
Hey Dave, i read somewhere in the TH-cam that the Vivideno is another name for Formbot in some countries because of copyright i believe. Regards, Jarie
Yes, that appears to be the case.
I ordered one because I dont have the time and space to build a voron. This looks like a great alternative and its less than half the price of what it would cost me in Australia to build a voron 2.4.
The troodon in Australia will set you back $2300. I got the sv08 delivered for under $800. This is aud.
Oh yeah, pricing becomes much more of an issue down there huh? Well, glad there are options!
The Solvol is more along the lines of an Ender. It is a good platform that you can modify. With them already sorting out the canbus end of things replacing the toolhead is not a major step and part of the fun. I can see people adapting this as soon as the printer reaches their doorstep.
Those are generally my impressions as well.
Does the Troodon come with Klipper loaded now days? or do you have to set that up?
Yes. The latest version comes with Klipper preinstalled.
Sovol is a Creality parts bin company that was started by a former Creality employee.
Customer service is beyond silly.
For the cost you can get an BBL A1 with AMS for less.
Also the new K2 looks promising and is enclosed and has an AMS. Type thing.
I have a dead SV07 at home and now got a P1S.
I bet there is a lot of "crossover" like that with these Chinese companies.
i have a sovol SV06 Plus and so far its worked well for me for a year now. and sovol has a good reputation of building quality 3d printers. i feel that the sv08 is a bit undercooked but i'm willing to give it a few months for them to make all the necessary adjustments and for the enclosure before getting one for myself. but who knows? maybe by that time the Troodon would have also improved significantly. sigh. decisions decisions.
Yeah, I mean the good thing for us is that competition in the market will lead to improvements.
Well I'll tell you my 3dp story. Was looking for a printer about 18 months ago. I had had a couple of "goes" at 3dp before (an awful i3 clone that the frame was so warped on it wouldn't print above layer 5) so knew I wanted something more polished. Artillery Sidewinder X2 kinda fit the mold for what I wanted (RC aeroplanes with decent build volume requirements). Found a guy who was selling them - but then they went dark, must have had supply issues, couldn't get all the extras I wanted at the time so I waited. Then along comes the Elegoo Neptune 4 series, and in particular the Plus (for my build size). The brand certainly has a decent reputation of good after-sales service (well beyond many of the other commodity end players) and so I bought one at the leading edge of availability here in AUS. Didn't have to wait long really, but I kept an eye on spares - believing that as a relative newbie I'd be messing stuff up and needing to have spares, plus I live in the country and delivery isn't simple.... they had them listed but no stock. Didn't concern me too much at the time. But globally even, they had stock issues, and they had quite a number of failures on poor designed parts - for example the extruder spring lever arms were like spaghetti, mine broke on my third filament change, and they sent a replacement extruder but that took me out for 4 weeks. But then they also have custom tool heads with non standard everythings too, like the Sovol is, and 3rd party sellers weren't ready in time to deliver options, so you can't even buy different replacement parts easily. Manged to buy some nozzle sets on aliexpress, and eventually the hotends and extruders were both available on the Elegoo site in AU so I bought a spare or three, just to have it when the inevitable happens. It's also their first Klipper rodeo so they've had bugs and bugs to sort out. Elegoo have been pretty good through it all though, I've seen people give up in disgust at the printer teething issues and send them back, and they must have taken a big hit in spares they've replaced under warranty, but they continue to stand behind their product which has been great - so you can't understate the benefit of having a quality manufacturer who will do that. But as you say, if you're already a "builder" of this kind of thing, upgrades and repairs and changes are all somewhat par for the course so it's less important to have that manufacturer behind you.
Thanks for chiming in Poundy!
So are you printing RC aircraft with it?
What’s the foot print of the printer?
About 29x12x14 inches. That includes the LCD on the front and the rear bulge for the filtered exhaust.
you should make an update.
I'm not sure what there is new to update. Although I did see that Sovol are now offering the printer with the side panels and LCD screen, so that's different.
No one from VORON has worked with them and their ad campaign where they use the VORON spell just to collect tags is misleading. They pissed a lot of people off and it's a joke that they write something about paying tribute to Voron and Klipper, but stuff in a proprietary toolhead+hotend. For me, if this works as bad as their filament dryers, I wouldn't buy it.
Running a chamber fan is nuts on your ABS prints. Turn it off. Printing ABS since 2015. 30c chamber temp is the beginning. 50c plus is what you are aiming at to do large prints. ABS is the king of FDM materials (for most projects) all things considered.
Context matters. I need some odor control since I print i my small studio apartment. The filtered exhaust fan is the answer, I just need to have it at a low setting, ~30% speed.
@@designbydave Although I never smell it, I understand your concern. Filters should be recirculating, not heat tank emptying. ;-)
@@CraftedChannel A nevermore has been on my todo list for a while
169 for panel kit
Yep, I saw they listed it after I posted this video. Glad it's available
Good video , In my humble opinion Sovol products are great value for the price, but yes SV08 its a bit of a unbaked potato still, I recon first 1. batch buyers will have issues , sertanly newbis will have issues. If they realese CAD files of the "blue" parts then I will for sure be on the purchasing side of this printer ...well on 2. batch most likely , I also absolutly hate that toolhead cover and my fingers itch to get down and dirty and design my own for the SV08...se also this for more information , Well in german ! th-cam.com/video/BmYEP9sSOzg/w-d-xo.html
Now I'm hungry for a baked potato!
They certainly did release the step files for all components. They did say it will be completely open source. I'll give it two weeks after release and some cnc shop in China will make a metal conversion kit and there will be 420 different extruder shrouds.
I don't like Sovol because of a terrible experience with the SV06 and customer support. Their products are half baked, relying on the community to finish the product with mods, profiles, etc. It's 2024 we deserve finished products! I think the Sovol SV08 is for people who don't have the time or expertise to build a Voron.
That seems to be Nero's impression as well.
For some it's all about price point. I'm not blaming them. But why don't I buy a Crealty Ender 3 for $300??
@@metatechnologist Well like I said, "if the shoe don't fit..." An Ender 3 is much less capable then either of these machines. If you need the larger build volume, for example, it doesn't matter how cheap and Ender is, it wont work.
Expertise... show me your Voron.. 😂😂
The guys want to pay 200$ for a printer and expect a full feature printer.
For the price sv06 its probably the best bang for the buck... lack of expertise demanding a budget printer to be full feature...
A voron its a voron, a sovol its a sovol a troodon its a troodon... for 600$ thats an epic build base for a full voron path nod build for less than 1000$, 600 the printer plus around 150 to 300$, in upgrades and you have a full feature V2.4.
Nero is just pissed, like all the Voron community, for calling Sv08 a voron when its not a Voron, it doesnt follow the culture or the concept, as well as troodon.
Troodon is Formbot3d.
Is it though? Or are Formbot just selling it? Because if you Google you find it available from other dealers.