The new Sovol SV08 looks a little bit like a Voron 2...?
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- See the SV08 including pricing - lostintech.co.uk/sovoron
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The comedic timing on the cuts, the link having "Sovoron" in it... This whole thing is just *chefskiss*
There are some hilarious cuts in here.
You're the first person to get the joke I think 🤣
@@LostInTech3D I enjoyed. 😂
The one at 10:48 really got me. I'm almost ashamed of it, because it's so simple. I guess that means I'm simple. :(
@@LostInTech3D The cuts are really good XD Actually glad you didn't go all technical, it's so easy to get carried away
Damn … even I managed to get that they were on purpose! 😂
“My hot take is..” CUT. 😂 Bravo, that was some top notch humor.
Love the This Old Tony -style presentation.
Aha 😁
I'm always a bit distrustful with new printers that seem amazing, because they tend to show, in time, that they have quirks and may have flaws that one needs to work around or have all kinds of small problems, that grow into annoyances. In this day and age, at a "normal" price range, there definitely will be nothing catastrophically wrong, but you don't want to be annoyed every other print, right? So no matter what the early bird price is going to be, I prefer to wait and see what the community says. At this point I'm only willing to accept plug and play, not try, fail, tinker and pray.
Fair points that can be applied to any tech tbh
Name a single printer that hasn't any annoyances? I say that there is none.
it seems to be really difficult to iron out all issues... and those being cloud-only or barely working without cloud: big no-go for me... it's really difficult right now.
@@rarbiart it all depends on personal preferences. I love my bambu cloud. Everything is so seamless. But the Bambus have other typical CoreXY issues you can't come by because ... Well they are not designed to be tinkered with.
The SV08 doesn't seem, in anyway, amazing to me just a promising option,
Ok, let's start with the mandatory requirement: "SV08 IS NOT A VORON",
that being said (I don't really care about the stupid communication plan)
as it is proposed, it seem a decent entry point to the core XY world,
coming with full of flaws - at first look - nothing seem irremediable in the future.
Hence $599 for a core XY starting point seems like a bargain we can work on, no?
First person to put a Stealthburner toolhead on there with Klicky Probe gets a cookie.
The enclosure is on the Sovol page now in the accessories section (along with an upgraded touchscreen etc). It has a hinged lid, magnetic doors etc. Looks ok depending on price, and how well it can be sealed.
And this video only made me want one more. THANK YOU!
The thank you is half sarcastic, cuz I ain’t got the money right now🥴
Another great review and I learned about heat soak with Inductive probes. I have a Qidi X Max3 and it was upgraded to inductive and I have noticed issues when powering up and starting a print right away, and yet if you print back to back, you don't see the issues with first layer. Appreciate the info!
I just love your style (and the captions😂).
Thanks for the video.
This seems like a nice machine, that'll be incredibly capable for relatively little money. I'm not an early adopter type, but if this thing shakes out well in the next 12 months it'll be high on my list of printers to upgrade to.
The second temperature compensation technique for the bed sensing inductive probe is how many of us MK3 owners handled the PINDA2. There was a thermistor in the PINDA2 that the printer could read, so we would just send a G-Code (I forget which off the top of my head) that would pause until the PINDA2 reached a specific temperature. Unfortunately, Prusa screwed the pooch with the SuperPINDA that was temperature resistant. It didn't have an integrated thermistor, so anything sliced for the PINDA2 with a wait for temperature would hang indefinitely. (Personally, I put a timed heat-up at the start to allow the bed to stop flexing while heating up.)
Why wouldn't that G-Code just be in the start routine rather than in the sliced g-code?
@@StarkRG Because I was dealing with Marlin, not Klipper.
Congrats on having the first good SV08 video!
Haha thanks
1:25 there's an audio or video skip
Another at 4:25
Pretty much when you are about to say what you think. Weird
Noticed that as well.
It seems to happen a few times in the video
There's actually more than one..
Yes im wondering if it's an error or something?
This actually seems like at least a proof-of-concept for something I'd consider buying. Even if it's not perfect, it still looks like a super reasonable price-to-performance ratio right out of the box (with proper setup/calibration/testing). Just as importantly it's close enough to vanilla Klipper that I could set it up just how I want it, and close enough to Voron hardware spec to open up at least some of the infinitely branching modding/upgrading paths there.
The weird nozzle is disappointing but like others have said, it's only a matter of time before this thing gets Stealthburnered.
Music that should have remained inside a trumpet is top tier captioning
I would probably change the hot end and probe (touch style as I prefer G10 bed surface), then wait to see what they have for color change when that comes.
Exactly this. I too prefer G10
All these proprietary hotends are a pain. They have used the open source licensing for the printer. Why not the hot end also? Sovolwire/SwitchSovol anyone?
The new mic is good :)
I always wondered why the Voron moved the gantry instead of the bed, like most core-xy printers do. But when I found an article on a Voron site that explained this, the answer was so clear and simple I was surprised that I wasn't able to figure it out myself. You see, in a conventional core-xy printer that moves the bed, there is a major issue in
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Well done!
Oh you!
My anycubic kobra 2 max is having the same problem with the probe and z offset, do you need to change the firmware to use the rear sensor or with a gcode is enought?
Looks good overall. Would like to see some print tests.
when you get to a certain size of printer. you gotta start moving the gantry in the z again. because the weight of the print would make the bed sag. (even the springs)
that makes sense
Floating gantry has additional frame, has less print area and attaches fastest-accelerating parts (print head and y gantry) to a moving part. 4-point levelling - floating gantry can twist?
Somehow this system feels equally (in)sensible to belted Z or core XZ 😅
If a bed has 3 or 4 points of suspension with belts, ball screws or trapezoidal screws, springs are not needed. Weight of the print should be issue with all plus & max sized printers (bed slingers included) though we haven't seem them yet? (Maybe because people print helmets and non-bouncing "volley balls", not 100% infill bowling balls or real-size automotive lost wax parts for casts)
Haha this is why I love your channel. When reviewing products that have issues you just go... Well I reckon I'll fix that... And just stick to it.
Maybe the enclosure top will be a "hat" to give clearance for the tool head stuff. (like some Voron V0's)
Heat soaking for 10 minutes before starting a 2h print isn't really a big deal.
I don't think so but hey...there's always user mods
As a Vovon2.4 user for 3 years I can say that it's not the best approach to 3d printer design. The worst thing is an inefficient surrounding temperature distribution within the enclosure comparing to a dropping table design cause with the table all the way down you have to worm up the whole inner printer volume till temperature stabilises whereas keeping the table all the way up considerably reduces the amount of air to be heated to reach temperature equilibrium. Second of all, moving gantry is less rigid unlike a built-in-frame one. That's why Voron 2 development was given up in favour of Trident. Third of all 2WD sucks vs 4WD CoreXY kinematics as enormously long timing belt loop of the first one has got too big stretching range resulted in undesirable oscillations.
the temperature difference can be addressed with a chamber heater with a fan, that is something that is demonized by voron team but is kinda simple and efficient (I did it to my voron switchwire and it works awesome, improved quality, heat soak time, etc)
Just a clarification. The v2 design was not given up in any way. The v1 just got an update more recently(Trident) with the learnings and improvements from the v2.4. The naming convention just happened to change at the same time to help de-confuse the version nomenclature.
I just got mine ordered... $449. That's early bird special $499 and Sovol summer sale $50 off anything over $450. Free delivery, ships from US in early May.
yeah the 449 was a surprise!
You had my subscription at 9:10 :)
Have you seen Marathon IDEX? It has a very interesting kinematics system.
They will have more filament profiles before they start shipping. I ordered mine today with the enclosure.
Looks very interesting if not for the proprietary nozzle. But this is relatively easy to fix
Looks good
I'm fairly new to these machines, but I'm considering changing. So, this comes with clipper (that I don't know nothing about), does this mean this has input shaping? Can this be a bambulab killer?
Edit: it HAS the possibility, according to the product page. Interesting!
it's a big build plate which is what makes it really desirable, it's not the worst beginner machine because it broadly works out of the box, but these days most things do.
@@LostInTech3D Thanks for the reply! I'm printing since 2016 on and off, I'm just not familiar with the new stuff. Klipper? Is that a firmware? What slicers are common nowadays? I'm still using Cura. Do I find answers on your channel maybe?
@@Sekir80 Klipper is firmware that needs a pi to work. Cura is still around, but there are others too, Orca is popular.
Discord is a convenient place to discuss stuff (link in the description).
@@TechieSewing Needs a pi to work? Okay, from the basics: there is a board in the machine that runs the gcodes, right? Then, how exactly does Klipper on a pi do anything?
Discord? Annoying af, I can't find anything on it. :D
@@Sekir80 What's annoying is tech support in youtube comments ;) Discord isn't exactly for finding things, though I agree its search function should work much better in 2024.
I've watched a few reviews of this now and I find it comically interesting that everyone has a different take on it and seem to really be digging in their heels with the things they personally find good or bad. One thing that I REALLY like is just how much the SV08 seems to be bothering the rabid bambu fanboys. But then again I'm a jerk, so...........
But I'm 100% on the fence on this. I like it but it seems only 90% done. So I'm going to give it 6-9 months and wait for Sovol to tweak it a bit and work out the kinks before I decide if I'm going to figure out where I'd put it. But just like buying a car...you NEVER buy the first year when a new model is launched, so I'll let all the impatient suckers rush out and do the real world testing for me first.
Yeah the amount of fuss this is creating is why I think it will be popular
Exactly! Watching fanboys choke from one side and scramble to pre-order and beta test on the other side is one of my favorite hobbies!
+1 for pissing off bambu fanboys
8:15 You're giving me flashbacks to a time before I replaced my Mini's MINDA probe with a SuperPINDA. It's an entirely different printer now. This is big deal if your print room isn't temperature controlled.
Speaking of "most wanted machines of 2024", when are those new FLSUNs being delivered? Any chance you'll get your hands on one?
Apparently they were too heavy to ship by air so they're en route but I'm not sure when 🤣
There seems to be a issue with your editing. It's cut out certain thoughts. Lol
He’s leaving it up to our imagination 😂
Max hotend and bed temp? The website doesnt list them. If it cant do 280+ and 100 I dont want it.
305 and 105 respectively, according to klipper. Id probably stick to under 300 myself
Looks like pricing and everything is unveiled now. As someone who got an sv06+ a few months ago before the 08 was even breathed a hint of publicity, I'm.... Conflicted. The price is great. Really great. But is it worth it when I JUST got a solid 06+?
It's faster and CoreXY, that's about it. If your printer is doing what you need it to do without lots of headaches, you don't need another printer
Your thoughts on why a flying gantry is better are perfect
Nice hook lines with those cuts.. now I have to wait to see what you wanted to say on the next video 😂
I wouldn't hold your breath 🤣
@@LostInTech3D Holding someone else's breath, sounds menacing ;)
Is the added complexity of the moving gantry gaining anything significant? I really ask this as i don't know.
I really have no idea either.
He clearly explains at 1:22 😂
@@LostInTech3D as a consumer i'd say "the less complexity the better if the results don't differ" since i have to maintain it. Let's See if others can explain it.
If the motors are independently controlled, it allows for gantry leveling. Basically makes the gantry perpendicular to the bed.
@@ManuelGranados-ey2tt and what does this do better than Just the normal compensation method that even out the first few layers?
The ringing at 0:55, omfg
Yeah I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to remember that they had some issues with that right after launch of the K1 Max. I believe they fixed it on a later FW though, or wait, maybe it was an issue with the hoten. Either way it's fixed now, I know someone with the K1 Max, and they consistently pull great looking prints of the plate. 🙂
So did the things that Nero3D mentioned happen to you as well?
I thought I covered that in the video 😂
@@LostInTech3D iirc there was an audio cut right after that
Legendary thing is that i just got the ad for this exhact printer
🤣
1:25 you have a very weird cut that makes no sense from a narration perspective. Was this intended?
*woosh*
I get the comedic timing of the cuts, but I really want to know your thoughts so while amusing I'm left feeling a bit frustrated :(
I wouldn't have waded into that argument. If I had any issues with the machine I would state them, like I did with the z offset probe.
@@LostInTech3Dand I respect that view.
1:25 What a transition xD
The Sovoron may be my next printer. I've tried to convince Elegoo to make a Pro version of the Neptune 4 Plus with all steel motion control instead of acetyl V rollers but apparently they aren't going to do that? I need a 300 mm class printer but I don't want V rollers in aluminum extrusion for a large and fast printer. I built my first two 3D printers (Hadron ORDbot) and while that's a great hobby project, I use 3D printers for my small business and I no longer wish to build a 3D printer.
+1 for the jaunty music.
Seeing the counter on the Sovol website as 14 hours left, it's safe to say that around 3am you were still editing the video, maybe? (Probably worked all night long).
That's really hard work. You deserve as many subscribers as possible. Well done.
Thanks, and yeah I should probably get some sleep 😴
Is this printer running windows? 5:00
Having finally seen the price, I really think Sovol is on to something. Even with the enclosure and add-ons its relatively inexpensive. I have been considering enclosing one of my larger printers as is and considering how much that would cost this is an attractive option.
I allow myself to ask a stupid question: How difficult is to remove those baby-blue parts? Because i want to paint it black. :D :D
🤣 I mean.... At some point it's easier to just make the voron
For a long time Prusa used custom inductive probes with additional lead to compensate for temperature.
Indeed
It has Vanilla Klipper, so the ERCF from Voron will work with the SV08.
If this machine comes in under a $1000 or even sub $800 it will be well worth getting, and something you could build a small fleet around at that price. Also a lot of Voron mods would work with this machine with little to no adjustment.
Also, yes just make it use the sensor at the back for Z Home, that will give an always consistent first layer instead of trying to use the inductive probe to Z home.
Actually not. The probe results "override" z endstop results. So lets say you homed with a nozzle based endstop and have calibrated it to the point where 0 is 0 and you choose to only use the probe for qgl, then yes, first layers will always have the right z offset. This is how the vorons handle it, there is no bed mesh config in the stock config files. But if you use your probe for a bed mesh, well these results count and the z endstop is useless. The sensor in the back is used for a automatic z offset, similar to what many use in conjunction with klicky, but without the need for the calibration switch to also be your z endstop
Also, almost no mods would work out of the box and would require adjustments because all parts are custom injection molded and can't use tnuts except maybe on the gantry
Nope. You can build an ACTUAL quality Voron for around $1200. It's really just a wannabe for those who are too lazy or don't have the ability to build one themselves. None of the voron accessories will work and it uses a laughable knock off bambu hotend...
@@kilianlindlbauer8277 I ran with the inductive probe for a while on my 2.4 350, and did have it fairly well tuned. However I didn't use bed mesh with it because it wasn't reliable enough to warrant doing it. Once I got TAP, well, rest is history.
@@chrismay2298 didn't say they would work out of the box, many mods would need adjustments to work for this. Mainly would be looking at the touchscreen mod that the LDO kid comes with by default. As I have an LDO kit 2.4 350 that is over 2k print hours now and has been an amazing machine.
ERCF needs to be able to talk to the printer and having stock vanilla klipper on the machine makes it easier to add one. Also the printer looks like it does have a run out sensor, which is very helpful for an ERCF. As you don't need one to use an ERCF, its a good idea to have one in the print head, or somewhere at least. Helps the printer to know where the filament is and if it is or isn't retracted enough yet. (I have been looking into adding an ERCF to my 2.4 for a while about 200-300 bucks for an 8 slot kit ain't bad).
O.M.G.
What do ya'll think about troodons? Much more like voron
They're kinda okay but also a fair bit more expensive and annoying to assemble, or so I heard
Has anyone the link to the STL file form the z offset test at 9:20?
I can share it if you want, I made it for the task
@@LostInTech3D Yes please
Ordered one yeasterday (the 18th) for $449. Delivery sometime in May.
not too long, enjoy it! :)
The only parts you could use from a 2.4 is maybe the stealthburner.
Everything else is either custom, or injection molded
AHA! A printer i can finally affor-ah bollocks, im still too poor.
What about print quality and speed????.
Didn't spot any issues there, top speed is supposedly 700
I believe the Twotrees SK1 is a Voron Trident clone not a Bambu clone
The head cover completely blocks the view on the nozzle
thats the case with most machines now
This machine doesnt allow an external cooling fan from the side as the bed is fixed and gantry is floating. So rather we use the whole size of the printer to allow the part to cool by time rather than by a power- airflow
It does allow for aux cooling. Troodon 2.0 and also Voron 2.4 can have it.
Basically you attach 1-n fans/blowers to the gantry endpoints/sledges left and/or right, which blow inward along the extrusion plane. Not sure if it will cost a bit of X travel tho, there's several ways how exactly it can be done on Vorons and also Troodons.
Ugh, I am avoiding any blowers that push air in from any one side of the plate. Still working the kinks out of my first printer (SV07+) and caught the curtain fan causing differential cooling issues in certain kinds of prints. Organic supports, angled in the +Y direction, were curving off path because one side got cooling and the other didn't. It would appear that blowing air in the -Z direction is the safest.
TwoTrees SK1 seemed to be based on Voron Trident but wearing a skimpy halloween costume of a P1P
It seemed pretty good but I didn't have time to review it
Honestly, the only benefit I see to a flying gantry is that the bed is solidly and evenly supported. I don't think this benefit outweighs the disadvantages of having to synchronize four motors and the extra failure points those additional motors and belts create. Supporting a vertically-moving bed is a fairly simple and already solved problem and doesn't have the problem that bed-slingers have of accelerating the in-progress and potentially wobbly print (even with non-planar printing, vertical acceleration and jerk is very low).
So the best advice is, get an early machine and program it to the best performance or wait, pay 100 bucks more and hope, some other guys have programmed the needed Klipper and Slicer mods?
Enjoy your commission! 😉
Alum... wut? Zed who? Cheeky video, lots of fun.
Hmm, cut at 1:25 was interesting :)
Moddable yes, factory repairable? not so much. 4-5 weeks on parts at least here in the US, and no US warehouse. Don't know about other countries, but I got bit by both sovol and comgrow with now 2 months of downtime, waiting for parts. First one never arrived, reshipped, instead of sending it some expedited way, back on a rowboat, with another 4 week wait. It may be a good printer, but the support technically is good, but parts are a constant problem. As opposed to jumping on amazon and a ton of parts available for other brands. So factor that in to your decision... I have 2 of the T500's (sovol bought comgrow), and solidly built, but parts are a problem.
1:24 gets interrupted.
Excellent elevator song 😂
Why thank you 😄
Is the problem sovolble?
Nice
OMG 500€ that's cheap!
I’ll take a printer is you have extras that you don’t use
here at 301 views, what a throwback!
Que lid extensions like for Bambu, K1 Max , etc
.....lol
Yeah I mean, I don't like them but yeah
$9,999.00 sold out !!!
You might want to check the video… some parts repeat… could it be you uploaded a version that wasn’t finished?
Which bit?
Multihead : don't forget E3D's
they discontinued that a good while back
Bruh, you let the cat out of the spool and didn't even show us? Sadge. 😿
I'm not allowed to let the cat out of the bag 🤣
@@LostInTech3D Hahaha damn. Fun video. I'm surprised you like it so much, but it does look good! Excited for more vids about it. Have one coming out with the launch or not yet?
The launch is today 👀 I'll probably try and get hold of whatever colour thing and do something with that
Every video I've seen on this comes with a list of pretty serious caveats. I like my Sovol SV07, and while a CoreXY is exactly what I'm looking to expand into, I think the Sovol SV08 is becoming less and less of a choice.
Do you know how many people said exactly that on my sv07 review 😛
@@LostInTech3D I'd believe it--the SV07 has a pretty serious list of flaws too, but the low price still made it attractive. I'm sure the SV08 is a very capable machine, but unless it's absolutely dirt cheap, I'd rather spend slightly more and get something I don't have to modify just to make it work well.
Hmm guess we got the Sovol censored version
I like the styling of the video. But a little confusing no the cuts, be nicer to have a little more indication.
I don't know how I'd do that without spoiling it
Sovol has a good machine this time around it seems. Have a ( long ) talk with your editor.
He's already been fired
The other core xy printers are also voron clones... Just the trident variant.
I still got no pricing for the svo8... it only shows 9999... GJ sovol. I hoped your review had real pricing since it appeared so late
Actually not, the trident has independent z screws, none of those do except possibly the two trees?
Haha $500 has been sent to people who are on the newsletter
Since when _before the release_ is late?..
but it doesn't even have a heated chamber, actually, it doesn't even have A chamber
I'll wait a half of a year or so, till there'll be sollutions for childish bugs to be fixed and some fine mods to be printed. Plus U'll need to build a new frame with 2020 profile or so just to make that machine to be more rigid. Stock frame has too thin walls, I don` trust it.
I am confused why you think this is going to be the 2024 top printer???
Because he got it for free and has to maintain a positive frame. They're ALL bought.
TEN GRAND?
I love my SV06, which was the exact same mentality but instead of telling the engineers to make a half priced injection molded Voron 2, they told them to make a half priced injection molded Prusa MK3S. Considering I was considering building a Voron 2, I might seriously just buy a SV08 (part of why I wanted a Voron is to make it myself and use custom colors though, however I can just make a Voron 0 instead).
First thing I would do is replace the bed with a cast aluminium bed .
That's going to be the biggest problem
Hmm...not sure. Of course you can but it might not be the best use of money 💰
@LostInTech3D that bed been so thin will warp like a tacho.
960CAD is a bit too much for this
It's more of a "wannabe" Troodon 2.0 Pro in the "more plastic wasn't possible" version...
I can't get over the cabinet door magnets on the troodon, I kinda can't take that seriously
@@LostInTech3D Let's wait and see how Sovol will do it...
Input shaping?
yes
Weird cut at 1:27
Can’t see the price because it’s sold out. What was it?
It's not started yet
@@LostInTech3Dah when I loaded the page the counter was all zeroes but if you wait a few seconds it then shows it counting down
Oh I see, maybe that's confusing people
Sovol SV01 cured me of Sovol products.
Does that say $9999.99? Oh hell naw man, that's $8999 more than my frigging fysetc voron kit WITH enclosure and better amenities. That's like 8400 more than the most expensive of the voron kits with all upgrades. Noooo thank you... Sovol, what u doin?