I've watched at least a hundred TH-cam videos (seriously) on golf, and this is the first that really gets to the root of the problem of the fat shot (which has been my nemesis for 3 and a half decades). Thanks fellas.
You guys are #1! Thanks for the great videos that do an excellent job illustrating the reasons behind the right and wrong ways of swinging the golf club. I have improved tremendously. I have been able to correct myself during the middle of a round which is something I always struggled with.
Thank you for a great instructional video and drills! I've been plagued by fat shots and had "various" thoughts about the cause. Somewhat by accident I realized that in my rush to get my weight onto my front side I was sliding my hips forward causing my upper body to tilt back. Exactly what you were demonstrating! I found a lot of videos and advice on how to solve fat shots but many don't really focus on this specific aspect.
Great video on my particular issue. Would like to see video on how to start ball away from target and curve back to target. I like to draw the ball, but usually start left and draws away from target instead to back to it. Thanks guys!
Can't thank you enough for this. I had considered many potential causes of my fat shots but not this one. An all-time great vid. You explain very clearly what is happening and - importantly! - how to fix it. Had a range session yesterday that left me depressed at the future of my golf, hitting ground 6 inches wrong side of ball. Found your vid before my game today - no time to practice it - and once I had it dialled in it was a lifesaver, clean shot after clean shot. Great work guys.
At last I've found out why I'm hitting fat irons! Thank you so much for this. It is the one part of my game I just haven't been able to figure out. I'll be using those drills tomorrow & I'll let you if it helps. Thanks again. 👍
I was struggling with some fat shots this weekend so before heading out to the range today to address it, I pulled up this vid and it was money!! Fixed it in about 5min, I can honest say I’ve never struck my 4I that well Ty👍👍 Guys!!
Shaun and Mike this video describes me. I try to warm up before every round, my wedge and 8 iron go fat thin fat thin. After a dozen warm up shots I start hitting more consistently. Head out to play a round, I drive consistently and get in position to score then the fat shot out of nowhere, I sort of knew it’s because I’m tilting but never connected the tilt to the hip slide. Thank you. Thank you and thank you.
I was working on my Driver and 3wood with great results. After that I couldn’t hit my irons. This video helped me fix that! I was keeping my sternum back with the driver and 3 wood and was hitting bombs but I was doing the same with the irons and didn’t even know it. Thanks for the fix!
Like this explanation and not dissimilar to Eric Corgono's video on the same subject. I like many others suffer from too many fat shots, even though I play off 5 handicap. Although not mentioned in your video, am I correct in thinking getting too steep in the downswing has the same affect as hanging back to much in the downswing?
Thanks for the video!! What about always making Contact with the ball on the toe of my irons. I put the powder spray on there great idea too and I’m making contact on the toe still hitting it pretty good just not in middle of the club. Thanks Owen
What’s amazing about this is for those with L4-5 back issues; I can’t describe the amount of pain tilting back like that causes. The fat shot not only causes back pain but it’s quite embarrassing too. “Sorry I just put a huge gopher hole on your tee box.” Pump, point, let it go. Pain relief and swing with half the effort. Thank you gentlemen for sharing.
Amazing work guys, the 3d data is the next level to understanding the enigma that is the golf swing. I have been researching this issue for a while and I believe there is another important part to this. Once you minimize the fat shots u can still have issues with deep divots... Not hitting behind the ball anymore but still hitting down and taking DEEP DIVOTS. Can you please please please look into how do we maintain the height of the arch in order to take shallow divots, bacon strips not beaver tail type divots.
@@AthleticMotionGolf no I don't believe so, I'm working on maintaining posture and height to minimize divot depth. Try to shave as little a strip of grass as possible. I'm very inconsistent with this. It's fine to get ball first contact but u can have ball first and still digg in too deep. Steep angle of attack I guess. I think this would be great subject for one of your videos. A lot of people struggle with this.
@@AR-ke8wg gotcha. There are a number of factors at play when looking at depth of divot, but I can say this... the best ball strikers on Tour have much steeper AoA than the Tour average.
Can you just clear something up, earlier in the vid you showed us a drill to properly put your chest over the ball starting down, now you just showed the shoulder drill to bring the club down, do both drill accomplish the same? Thank you.
Gents , I did enjoy training! Question, I had believed you should bump front hip forward at setup , stay behind ball to have an inside swing therefore your chest wont be centered over ball directly. Please clarify. God bless. Thk u both! Al
Have you done a video on the cause and Fix for lunging or diving past the ball? I don’t do it all the time but I do it enough to ruin a round. If I knew the cause maybe I could stop it.
How does releasing the arms to early relate to fat shots. It's something I am trying to overcome. Separating the arms from the shoulders on the downswing and object focused on the ball and not the swing plane. Yesterday hitting it well on the range fell apart on the course. The harder I tried to change the more fat shots I hit. Tried separating the hips and shoulders on the downswing. Keeping the hands back. Ended up losing all trust in my swing. Realize there are several points here but looking at simple fixes based on best practice.
I’m about ready to quit golf because of this. I’m 6’4” with long legs and short torso. This body type is the absolute worst for golf. I’m a good athlete but these fat irons are taking the fun right out of it for me. Someone help 😮
Great video! Quick question though. For lower handicap players who strike it bit better, could getting the center of the chest behind the ball cause low hooks? Path gets too right, hips stall causing a flip of the hands, club face is shut and delofted
I’ve been working on this move for a month now. I got into sliding due to focusing on staying deep and hitting from the inside. When I try this move, it is hard to maintain depth at P5 and hit from the inside. Any tips? My TH-cam has videos of me practicing FYI.
Do a video on the sound the club should make in the optimal swing and if you can work your swing mainly by making it sound faster. And I'm talking about the swish sound the club makes when you swing it btw, not the sound any particular equipment makes.
Sounds are all over the place with the latest equipment, Oliver. I swear a couple models of irons sound broke when hit on the button😬 This one might not be doable.
Athletic Motion Golf Totally agree. I replaced my Apex Pro 5i with an Apex CF for forgiveness purposes - when hit dead center it sounds like the face has cracked. Now, if you're talking about where the "woosh" happens, that's a different story...
Would the lead shoulder be moving down and then around? I hit a few short shots in the back yard and the ball seemed to flight out much lower and cleaner. Been fighting fat and thin shots for years
I'm a new subscriber. Love your videos. In your third drill here you suggest doing the stork/pump drill while focusing on keeping your left shoulder down. This seems inconsistent to me with what you are teaching in the Flight Fix Phase 2 Drill with the Gravity Fix Device where you show the gap on the backswing between the left (for a right hander) scapula and the device and say to reconnect the scapula with the device as you move forward. I suspect it's just a micro timing issue, but can you please give me your thoughts on that apparent discrepancy? Thanks.
John Cottingham if I’m understanding you correctly (please let me know if I’m not), you still want the should moving down as you reconnect. So there’s the reconnection, then there’s the direction 👍
Thanks for your videos, your are very helpful, my question is about leader shoulder. I feel that the motion should go in ball direction, for help to down more inside and close at the end but not flag direction. Is it?
@@AthleticMotionGolf Im refering to downswing forward. I think that strart quite well, mooving my left shoulder together with my Knee, avoiding early extensión of my Back, but the direction now forward the ball, not to the pin. Thanks for your interest.
Hi Darryl, we have online and in-person instruction available. Here are links for more details about both... athleticmotiongolf.com/ilessons athleticmotiongolf.com/inperson Let us know if you have any questions.
I thought it was shanks as well. I tried the piece of wood to keep sweet spot from going too far out like you guys did in a previous video. Unfortunately it didn't work for me. I hate shanks. Kills your score.
@@AthleticMotionGolf My friends have affectionately named that shot 'the tomahawk' or 'the bazooka'. It's a rare gift- they have tried it on the range and can't pull it off. The secret is in the launch angle. Most thinned wedges scoot along the ground, mine take off like a 6 iron. Always hilarious, guaranteed to turn a birdie opportunity into a double bogey. It would make me cry if it wasn't so funny.
@@AthleticMotionGolf I try to claim it as 'talent', but that would imply that I hit the shot voluntarily 🤣. I wish it was just a party trick for the range, rather than a frequent occurrence during competition play.
You've got to address the camera focus. Nice and clear on the pictures on the wall, but you guys are constantly out of focus. Drives me crazy. I'll be okay.
Would be so much more helpful and efficient if you guys would just get to the recommended solution. We don’t need to hear about “best quotes “ , funny antidotes, blah blah blah.
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I've watched at least a hundred TH-cam videos (seriously) on golf, and this is the first that really gets to the root of the problem of the fat shot (which has been my nemesis for 3 and a half decades). Thanks fellas.
Awesome to hear! It's a brutal shot and we hope this will help you out👍
We went to separate schools together, a decade and a half apart.
You guys have a great way of explaining things in a way that really makes sense and easy to do.
Finally an explanation that makes sense to me. With this information and applying this set of drills resolved my fat shot problem for me. Thanks.
You guys are #1! Thanks for the great videos that do an excellent job illustrating the reasons behind the right and wrong ways of swinging the golf club. I have improved tremendously. I have been able to correct myself during the middle of a round which is something I always struggled with.
That's AWESOME to hear, Cedric!
This is why we do what we do! Thanks for the support!
Thank you for a great instructional video and drills! I've been plagued by fat shots and had "various" thoughts about the cause. Somewhat by accident I realized that in my rush to get my weight onto my front side I was sliding my hips forward causing my upper body to tilt back. Exactly what you were demonstrating! I found a lot of videos and advice on how to solve fat shots but many don't really focus on this specific aspect.
Great drills , nicely described and easy to understand , thankyou
You guys are bar none the most consistent and thoughtful swing analysis channel on TH-cam. Thanks for your great work!!
Thank you!!
These are some really, really good drills guys; I cannot WAIT to apply these! Thank you!
Great video on my particular issue. Would like to see video on how to start ball away from target and curve back to target. I like to draw the ball, but usually start left and draws away from target instead to back to it. Thanks guys!
This is my number one problem playing golf at the moment. Thanks for posting.
You're welcome John! Glad we could help!
Can't thank you enough for this. I had considered many potential causes of my fat shots but not this one. An all-time great vid. You explain very clearly what is happening and - importantly! - how to fix it. Had a range session yesterday that left me depressed at the future of my golf, hitting ground 6 inches wrong side of ball. Found your vid before my game today - no time to practice it - and once I had it dialled in it was a lifesaver, clean shot after clean shot. Great work guys.
Awesome, Richard, we're glad it's helped!
At last I've found out why I'm hitting fat irons! Thank you so much for this. It is the one part of my game I just haven't been able to figure out. I'll be using those drills tomorrow & I'll let you if it helps. Thanks again. 👍
Great video, thanks.
Just watched. Great video. Which newer video would you most recommend on preventing fats? Thank you.
Good one again! Thanks for sharing.
🙏👊
I was struggling with some fat shots this weekend so before heading out to the range today to address it, I pulled up this vid and it was money!!
Fixed it in about 5min, I can honest say I’ve never struck my 4I that well
Ty👍👍 Guys!!
That's awesome, Julio, we're glad it helped!👊
Excited to try these three tips. This has been a problem that I’ve struggled with for years. I’ll attempt to let you know how it goes. Thanks ,joe
Please do👍
Tried this today and fixed my fat shots!! Thank you!!
Shaun and Mike this video describes me. I try to warm up before every round, my wedge and 8 iron go fat thin fat thin. After a dozen warm up shots I start hitting more consistently. Head out to play a round, I drive consistently and get in position to score then the fat shot out of nowhere, I sort of knew it’s because I’m tilting but never connected the tilt to the hip slide. Thank you. Thank you and thank you.
Awesome bud, we're glad it helped!
I was working on my Driver and 3wood with great results. After that I couldn’t hit my irons. This video helped me fix that! I was keeping my sternum back with the driver and 3 wood and was hitting bombs but I was doing the same with the irons and didn’t even know it. Thanks for the fix!
Awesome! Yeah can't forget about that sternum... put that thing right on top of the ball👍
Like this explanation and not dissimilar to Eric Corgono's video on the same subject. I like many others suffer from too many fat shots, even though I play off 5 handicap. Although not mentioned in your video, am I correct in thinking getting too steep in the downswing has the same affect as hanging back to much in the downswing?
Great teaching
Thanks bud!
Great tip and drill. I was fatting my irons all day on Sunday and this is the cure.
Me too 😢. Thank you, almost fix by keeping both feet together. 👍
Thanks for the video!!
What about always making Contact with the ball on the toe of my irons. I put the powder spray on there great idea too and I’m making contact on the toe still hitting it pretty good just not in middle of the club. Thanks Owen
Setup a gate with tees until that you can get the club through the gate without knocking the tees over.
What’s amazing about this is for those with L4-5 back issues; I can’t describe the amount of pain tilting back like that causes. The fat shot not only causes back pain but it’s quite embarrassing too. “Sorry I just put a huge gopher hole on your tee box.” Pump, point, let it go. Pain relief and swing with half the effort. Thank you gentlemen for sharing.
Amazing work guys, the 3d data is the next level to understanding the enigma that is the golf swing. I have been researching this issue for a while and I believe there is another important part to this. Once you minimize the fat shots u can still have issues with deep divots... Not hitting behind the ball anymore but still hitting down and taking DEEP DIVOTS. Can you please please please look into how do we maintain the height of the arch in order to take shallow divots, bacon strips not beaver tail type divots.
Do you have a lot of shaft lean, AR?
@@AthleticMotionGolf no I don't believe so, I'm working on maintaining posture and height to minimize divot depth. Try to shave as little a strip of grass as possible. I'm very inconsistent with this. It's fine to get ball first contact but u can have ball first and still digg in too deep. Steep angle of attack I guess. I think this would be great subject for one of your videos. A lot of people struggle with this.
@@AR-ke8wg gotcha. There are a number of factors at play when looking at depth of divot, but I can say this... the best ball strikers on Tour have much steeper AoA than the Tour average.
This helped me alot, my chest was so far behind my arms and hands and I couldnt figure out why because my lower body rotation was just fine.
One of the best
How about a video that shares the differences with setup and resulting swing for an iron vs driver vs hybrid
Thks
Can you just clear something up, earlier in the vid you showed us a drill to properly put your chest over the ball starting down, now you just showed the shoulder drill to bring the club down, do both drill accomplish the same?
Thank you.
Gents , I did enjoy training!
Question, I had believed you should bump front hip forward at setup , stay behind ball to have an inside swing therefore your chest wont be centered over ball directly. Please clarify. God bless. Thk u both!
Al
Have you done a video on the cause and Fix for lunging or diving past the ball? I don’t do it all the time but I do it enough to ruin a round. If I knew the cause maybe I could stop it.
Are you talking about with the lower body?
I see you lowering the club on the last drill but how exactly do we lower it ??
How does releasing the arms to early relate to fat shots. It's something I am trying to overcome. Separating the arms from the shoulders on the downswing and object focused on the ball and not the swing plane. Yesterday hitting it well on the range fell apart on the course. The harder I tried to change the more fat shots I hit. Tried separating the hips and shoulders on the downswing. Keeping the hands back. Ended up losing all trust in my swing. Realize there are several points here but looking at simple fixes based on best practice.
So, what do you think of Mike Austin swing? Didn’t he use right side bend in his swing?
I’m about ready to quit golf because of this. I’m 6’4” with long legs and short torso. This body type is the absolute worst for golf. I’m a good athlete but these fat irons are taking the fun right out of it for me. Someone help 😮
Great video! Quick question though. For lower handicap players who strike it bit better, could getting the center of the chest behind the ball cause low hooks? Path gets too right, hips stall causing a flip of the hands, club face is shut and delofted
100% Get that chest right on top of the ball at impact👍
Would this still work with longer clubs where the ball is quite forward in the stance? Would you need move your chest farther forward?
I’ve been working on this move for a month now. I got into sliding due to focusing on staying deep and hitting from the inside. When I try this move, it is hard to maintain depth at P5 and hit from the inside. Any tips? My TH-cam has videos of me practicing FYI.
Do a video on the sound the club should make in the optimal swing and if you can work your swing mainly by making it sound faster.
And I'm talking about the swish sound the club makes when you swing it btw, not the sound any particular equipment makes.
Sounds are all over the place with the latest equipment, Oliver. I swear a couple models of irons sound broke when hit on the button😬 This one might not be doable.
Athletic Motion Golf Totally agree. I replaced my Apex Pro 5i with an Apex CF for forgiveness purposes - when hit dead center it sounds like the face has cracked. Now, if you're talking about where the "woosh" happens, that's a different story...
@@nickcoleman9803 So true! Those clubs sound way worse indoors too😬
How do you work with this for 3 woods since the middle of your chest should be behind the ball to hit a bit more up?
I was bumping hip forward to stop a reverse pivot. It created a terrible fat shot every time. I’m gonna try these drills
Hope it helps! Let us know how it goes.
Would the lead shoulder be moving down and then around? I hit a few short shots in the back yard and the ball seemed to flight out much lower and cleaner. Been fighting fat and thin shots for years
I'm a new subscriber. Love your videos. In your third drill here you suggest doing the stork/pump drill while focusing on keeping your left shoulder down. This seems inconsistent to me with what you are teaching in the Flight Fix Phase 2 Drill with the Gravity Fix Device where you show the gap on the backswing between the left (for a right hander) scapula and the device and say to reconnect the scapula with the device as you move forward. I suspect it's just a micro timing issue, but can you please give me your thoughts on that apparent discrepancy? Thanks.
John Cottingham if I’m understanding you correctly (please let me know if I’m not), you still want the should moving down as you reconnect. So there’s the reconnection, then there’s the direction 👍
Athletic Motion Golf But don’t you have to move the shoulder up to reconnect?
John Cottingham it has to move back, not up, to reconnect 👍
Thanks for your videos, your are very helpful, my question is about leader shoulder. I feel that the motion should go in ball direction, for help to down more inside and close at the end but not flag direction. Is it?
At what point of the swing are you referring too, Chema? Want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Im refering to downswing forward. I think that strart quite well, mooving my left shoulder together with my Knee, avoiding early extensión of my Back, but the direction now forward the ball, not to the pin. Thanks for your interest.
@@chema3038 I think you're right👍
Stupid question: do you have a web site and/or link ???? Always good instruction on this channel.
We sure do, Butch: www.athleticmotiongolf.com/
Let us know if we can answer any questions for you👍
How does one eliminate the hit impulse in the downswing and learn how to just swing the club? Your thoughts would be appreciated.
With slower swings to engrain the proper sequence so there's not a trigger there to "hurry up and hit it"
Thank you. Will be my swing thought but instinct is always difficult to overcome!
This! This may have just saved me. This is my miss. Thanks guys
Awesome J.W. hope it helps!
So what’s the thinking on secondary axis tilt at address?
Avoid it👍
What kind of packages of golf instructions do you offer?
Hi Darryl, we have online and in-person instruction available. Here are links for more details about both...
athleticmotiongolf.com/ilessons
athleticmotiongolf.com/inperson
Let us know if you have any questions.
I thought it was shanks as well. I tried the piece of wood to keep sweet spot from going too far out like you guys did in a previous video. Unfortunately it didn't work for me. I hate shanks. Kills your score.
Your clubface is too open too late. Get that sweet spot looking at the ball WAY sooner in the downswing.
My best tip against hitting fat
'Thin to win' is rubbish, every time I have a 80-100 yard wedge and blade it 150+ into a lake or somebody's house, it does my scorecard no favours.
Mango, brother... that ain't thin, that's boned!😬
@@AthleticMotionGolf My friends have affectionately named that shot 'the tomahawk' or 'the bazooka'. It's a rare gift- they have tried it on the range and can't pull it off. The secret is in the launch angle. Most thinned wedges scoot along the ground, mine take off like a 6 iron. Always hilarious, guaranteed to turn a birdie opportunity into a double bogey. It would make me cry if it wasn't so funny.
@@mangoman2148 So you're saying that shot takes requires more talent than your mates have?😊
@@AthleticMotionGolf I try to claim it as 'talent', but that would imply that I hit the shot voluntarily 🤣. I wish it was just a party trick for the range, rather than a frequent occurrence during competition play.
I sprained my wrist hitting so many fat!
The problem that makes me hit fat shots is CASTING from the top. Comments!!!!
That's almost always a sequencing issue Graham.
You've got to address the camera focus. Nice and clear on the pictures on the wall, but you guys are constantly out of focus. Drives me crazy. I'll be okay.
haha breathe!! :P
Skip the first 27 seconds and you'll see us in all of our HD focused glory😊
Would be so much more helpful and efficient if you guys would just get to the recommended solution. We don’t need to hear about “best quotes “ , funny antidotes, blah blah blah.