Iceberg creator here with some info and clarification in these trying times: - The "Game & Watch Judge Reset" point is more about the fact that the game has a limit on Judge (Game & Watch's Side B) that prevents a player from getting two 9's in a row. Players that land a 9 will often use a second Side B after it so that their third attack actually has a chance to land a 9. This is the reset part. Combining this technique with the RNG manipulation data Hbox mentioned would be horrifying (if it there were a viable setup in competition). - "Tapion Stomp" is actually called "Tapion Punch", I labeled it incorrectly. My apologies to Toph, who was apparently offended by this. - Just a side note: grease is the least of the horrid things found on those McDonald's Gamecube kiosks. If there were ever a "Ronald's House Tournament Series", it would require a hand sanitizer sponsor for sure lol. - A lot of points on this Iceberg have been moved in the most current version after I received a bit of backlash for some of the positions of points throughout the list. Additionally, this is an ongoing list that will continue to grow and improve as Melee history continues to be made every year, and new things are being discovered in-game. (Please let me know if you have any questions!)
@@CLSharpman5000 lol you should see the video Toph did on it (and by extension, the whole Twitch clip). He was rather displeased with most of my placements on this Iceberg, claiming to speak for the community when doing so. For a few days after, his fans were PM'ing me and commenting on Reddit about their displeasure with my placement of things, and tlling me that they came from Toph's video. Personally, I always thought it was up to the community to determine wha is known by the community, and I feel like he might be way too high in the melee echelon to know what info actually reaches us. . .
@@Lynx11364 Wow that's fucked, that's the most Melee thing I've ever heard. If I made an image for a bit of fun and to show my support for the community, and some content-dry, professional Twitter user started bitching about how my meme was inaccurate, and then his fans started messaging me random hate, I'd probably say something like "Oh sorry, here's the updated version" and then give them an imgur link to a picture of a shower. Fuck that noise dude.
Melee just feels like a slightly weird old guy that all the kids love, and Nintendo is basically the adults saying “no let’s pretend he doesn’t exists.”
@@ObservationofLimits I think it speaks a lot about how Hbox has changed, not just himself but how the melee community perceives him For one, I'm sure more people would've been behind the crab guy if this happened to old hbox, but I also think he would've lost his composure, rather than keeping his calm while still being rightfully upset
Very interesting iceberg series, I've recently started to get into melee and learning about more of its history and deep mechanics in the digestible and concise format icebergs give was a very great way to learn about this stuff, great job hbox :)
Apart from a few parts of the tier list that feel too well known for their placement (like Hungrybox crab in tier 4), this feels a lot better than most tier lists where i suspect by the end they just made shit up. Great tier list!
38:38 Technically... the big ol' Dempt is actually a Marth / Fox player. Slight regional nitpick. We also always called Chaos "Pichu kid." First time I saw him he was walking around with a notepad writing down thoughts and feelings after every match.
Hi there, HBox! the Smash 2 footage you have is actually from a custom build a small team and i made called Smash 2 Omega, it uses Smash 2's latest update, 2.0, as a base. That one you should check out, it amazing. but thank you so much for showing omega's gameplay regardless, it means alot to me and warms my heart since im a huge fan of yours, watching your vids has gotten me through alot in 2021. anyways, love you, Hungrybox! Keep doing what your doin, homie!
I actually attribute Melee's beloved quirks to that rushed development cycle, which also plays into Nintendo's stance against Melee (because it's seen as a mistake) IMO. Very much like Majora's mask
Actually, technically soul breaker isn’t banned, as You can technically pull it off in tournaments under some very specific scenarios, and there is no rules strictly defying it
@@ChrisPBacon-zf5gm any projectile being reflected a certain amount of times between two characters ( usually spacies ) before having mewtwo use their side b
11:42, people are really messed up when I saw that happened to you I could feel your frustration, I played smash as a teen and never did that to anyone let alone as adult in any game, but anyways I'm older than you and I never felt the urge to give another grown man a hug until I saw this clip, all the respect to you hbox and keep up the hustle
claw grip is actually really common for high level play in mario kart wii too because it lets you do perfect wheelies a lot more consistently because you're able to steer with your index finger and wheelie with your thumb
This was fun to watch esp bc after watching Melee content for over a decade, you think you know it all but there were some surprises here. Thank you Hbox, Asumsaus would be proud.
Dude, you are such a good teacher, if I had a final wish it would be to meet you, and chill with you hbox, I think (even with the language barrier) we will fit just fine. Stay safe, drink alots of water, have alot of fun, and most impotantly stay true to yourself. Big love from quebec 💙
30:52 I think that Giga Bowser cutscene was only in Adventure mode. Anyways, this was really cool! I especially loved the parts where you went over cut features/Easter eggs in the game.
I know Hbox laughs about it now, and it’s a good meme and everything, but man every time i see the crab throwing video it makes me sad. Juan’s reaction is so upsetting, he deserves better 😭
there will be a third part. And honestly, a while after Part 3 comes out, there will probably be a full length 3-hour iceberg supercut put together. It just makes sense. Videos like this (and even game reviews) that are super long always do well -- people want long, cozy content to listen to. And this is perfect.
1998 was when I got my first computer. 1999 was my first time searching the internet; the first thing I searched was "How to unlock characters in super smash bros" because I was missing Ness. Such good memories; everything was text and I found a random forum talking about smash. Never heard ref of that forum ever since, looks like it was wiped from history lmao
Oh my gosh my local McDonald's had two of those kiosks when I was super young, but they almost never worked, and I didn't know what Smash was at that point lol.
I’m gonna be that guy, but phantoms are explained better on asumsaus’ video on obscure melee mechanics, and phantoms are not on the tangent line, though they are within .01 melee units
Oh my god... 48:56 - THE ONLY LIVING PROOF OF THE TIMES I GREW UP ON. Been telling friends McDonald's __used__ to have these crazy game kiosks and this was definitely one. __And it was sick__ Though the claims about the grease and whatever, uhh...is far less than what i discovered. I seen toddlers at these. And it's not gone well. (Still, i kinda wish these were back. But at same time, it was better this way)
![DLC WAVE 6 (FINAL DLC) Mario Kart 8 Deluxe: Wait 30 Seconds vs Wait 0 Seconds!! [Nintendo Switch]](/img/n.gif)
It's 20XX, In an alternate future humans have reached TAS levels of skill using James Bond... All other characters have become obsolete...
20-007
Those time bomb combos go crazy
Iceberg creator here with some info and clarification in these trying times:
- The "Game & Watch Judge Reset" point is more about the fact that the game has a limit on Judge (Game & Watch's Side B) that prevents a player from getting two 9's in a row. Players that land a 9 will often use a second Side B after it so that their third attack actually has a chance to land a 9. This is the reset part. Combining this technique with the RNG manipulation data Hbox mentioned would be horrifying (if it there were a viable setup in competition).
- "Tapion Stomp" is actually called "Tapion Punch", I labeled it incorrectly. My apologies to Toph, who was apparently offended by this.
- Just a side note: grease is the least of the horrid things found on those McDonald's Gamecube kiosks. If there were ever a "Ronald's House Tournament Series", it would require a hand sanitizer sponsor for sure lol.
- A lot of points on this Iceberg have been moved in the most current version after I received a bit of backlash for some of the positions of points throughout the list. Additionally, this is an ongoing list that will continue to grow and improve as Melee history continues to be made every year, and new things are being discovered in-game.
(Please let me know if you have any questions!)
May I have a link to the iceberg image?
Also he explained lemon drops wrong.
Why would you receive backlash for a positioning of a term on a iceberg format?
People will literally bitch about anything, jeez.
@@CLSharpman5000 lol you should see the video Toph did on it (and by extension, the whole Twitch clip). He was rather displeased with most of my placements on this Iceberg, claiming to speak for the community when doing so. For a few days after, his fans were PM'ing me and commenting on Reddit about their displeasure with my placement of things, and tlling me that they came from Toph's video. Personally, I always thought it was up to the community to determine wha is known by the community, and I feel like he might be way too high in the melee echelon to know what info actually reaches us. . .
@@Lynx11364 Wow that's fucked, that's the most Melee thing I've ever heard. If I made an image for a bit of fun and to show my support for the community, and some content-dry, professional Twitter user started bitching about how my meme was inaccurate, and then his fans started messaging me random hate, I'd probably say something like "Oh sorry, here's the updated version" and then give them an imgur link to a picture of a shower. Fuck that noise dude.
Melee just feels like a slightly weird old guy that all the kids love, and Nintendo is basically the adults saying “no let’s pretend he doesn’t exists.”
HBox saying do you know how hard I work up here really hits in the heart
That was the moment all his persistence paid off.
He was far calmer than I would have been, given the same amount of time and effort sunk in.
@@ObservationofLimits I think it speaks a lot about how Hbox has changed, not just himself but how the melee community perceives him
For one, I'm sure more people would've been behind the crab guy if this happened to old hbox, but I also think he would've lost his composure, rather than keeping his calm while still being rightfully upset
Very interesting iceberg series, I've recently started to get into melee and learning about more of its history and deep mechanics in the digestible and concise format icebergs give was a very great way to learn about this stuff, great job hbox :)
welcome to melee enjoy
If you haven’t yet i highly recommend the smash brothers documentary :) it’s fantastic
Apart from a few parts of the tier list that feel too well known for their placement (like Hungrybox crab in tier 4), this feels a lot better than most tier lists where i suspect by the end they just made shit up. Great tier list!
In the current version of this Iceberg image, I fixed the Leffen Diss Track placement - its old spot was a straight-up mistake on my part.
Yoshis running grab isn't programmed incorrectly, he just extends so far into the z axis that he often just misses the opponents model
38:38 Technically... the big ol' Dempt is actually a Marth / Fox player. Slight regional nitpick.
We also always called Chaos "Pichu kid." First time I saw him he was walking around with a notepad writing down thoughts and feelings after every match.
Hi there, HBox! the Smash 2 footage you have is actually from a custom build a small team and i made called Smash 2 Omega, it uses Smash 2's latest update, 2.0, as a base. That one you should check out, it amazing. but thank you so much for showing omega's gameplay regardless, it means alot to me and warms my heart since im a huge fan of yours, watching your vids has gotten me through alot in 2021. anyways, love you, Hungrybox! Keep doing what your doin, homie!
HBox, this is bloody good content! Many thanks for your hard work (and the hard work of your editors, producers and all crew!)
Literally was watching the first one when this was uploaded, I’m playing life with optimal strats
Same
Same..
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Optimal
Dude mew2king would be proud
I actually attribute Melee's beloved quirks to that rushed development cycle, which also plays into Nintendo's stance against Melee (because it's seen as a mistake) IMO. Very much like Majora's mask
My Gaw i 100% majorers mask not to brag
@@mrclone5383 who asked?
Even though it was rushed there's just something so magical about that rushed development that holds Melee up to this day.
@Zonefire 15 not wrong and a number of fighting staples were a result of old bugs
POG!!!
I thought I was going to have to wait like a week for another one!
You're the best, Hbox!
If James Bond was in Melee, it’s perfectly possible that Goku could be in Smash nowadays
Well......steve.......soooo......
@@ssbplayer8117 Steve isn't from a movie or TV show.
@@ChoiceSnarf joket is from a game and a anime
@@anostar620 He was from a game first. That's the key here.
@@ChoiceSnarf i was jokong i know tjat he was in a game first , i just don't like explaining my jokes-
just finished the last one and it was so well edited and your narration is great, keep it up hbox
Actually, technically soul breaker isn’t banned, as You can technically pull it off in tournaments under some very specific scenarios, and there is no rules strictly defying it
Which ones?
@@ChrisPBacon-zf5gm any projectile being reflected a certain amount of times between two characters ( usually spacies ) before having mewtwo use their side b
@@ChrisPBacon-zf5gm th-cam.com/video/yXyKGJc1Qvg/w-d-xo.html
11:42, people are really messed up when I saw that happened to you I could feel your frustration, I played smash as a teen and never did that to anyone let alone as adult in any game, but anyways I'm older than you and I never felt the urge to give another grown man a hug until I saw this clip, all the respect to you hbox and keep up the hustle
This man covered the entire history of Melee, from glitches to epic moments 🔥🔥
"Rocket KO" just refers to killing all enemies off the top of the screen (Star KO) rather than sides, not with Warp Stars specifically.
I love that little nod to Team Rocket.
claw grip is actually really common for high level play in mario kart wii too because it lets you do perfect wheelies a lot more consistently because you're able to steer with your index finger and wheelie with your thumb
This was fun to watch esp bc after watching Melee content for over a decade, you think you know it all but there were some surprises here. Thank you Hbox, Asumsaus would be proud.
This is honestly really fascinating so far tbh.
I do appreciate the effort you put into this video, please keep up the good work!
Dude, you are such a good teacher, if I had a final wish it would be to meet you, and chill with you hbox, I think (even with the language barrier) we will fit just fine. Stay safe, drink alots of water, have alot of fun, and most impotantly stay true to yourself. Big love from quebec 💙
I have never liked the video so fast that I haven’t watched yet.
3:00 that clip is actually so wholesome ^-^
just gotta love Mew2King
Thank you and everyone who worked on this cuz damn this is good
30:52 I think that Giga Bowser cutscene was only in Adventure mode.
Anyways, this was really cool! I especially loved the parts where you went over cut features/Easter eggs in the game.
Epic second part Hbox. Truly amazing.
You literally couldn’t have watched it yet
Indeed lmao
It's an amazing part so far.
I know Hbox laughs about it now, and it’s a good meme and everything, but man every time i see the crab throwing video it makes me sad. Juan’s reaction is so upsetting, he deserves better 😭
Fun fact. Soul breaker is possible with two foxes and a falco. Have the falco shoot a lazer and then have the foxes bounce the lazer like a shell.
23:51, unexpected Rivals of Aether.
love this video, love you man, keep up the work
29:40 Rice ball? That’s clearly a jelly donut
Yes, Brock, that is a donut.
James Bond would be a badass final dlc character
If you pause it right here(11:40) you can see the exact moment his heart breaks.
I spent sooooooo long as a kid trying to somehow trigger the beta platforms at Hyrule Castle because I saw images of them being there.
Yoooooooooo loving this series
good job Juan, very well explained
This series is fantastic, probably should be doing work but it can wait.
Please Please Please do a full length stitching of the two parts. "Director's Cut"
*three parts
That would be neat
there will be a third part. And honestly, a while after Part 3 comes out, there will probably be a full length 3-hour iceberg supercut put together.
It just makes sense. Videos like this (and even game reviews) that are super long always do well -- people want long, cozy content to listen to. And this is perfect.
@@theSato agreed.
Thanks again, Juan! You got me a nice birthday present!
Happy birthday!
@@greenamogus , thank you!
This is my second favorite podcast
Oh wow, didn't expect part 2 so quickly after
awesome stuff, Hbox!
1998 was when I got my first computer. 1999 was my first time searching the internet; the first thing I searched was "How to unlock characters in super smash bros" because I was missing Ness. Such good memories; everything was text and I found a random forum talking about smash. Never heard ref of that forum ever since, looks like it was wiped from history lmao
Worth noting that you only fight Giga Bowser if you beat Adventure Mode within a certain amount of time.
18:00 better haul ass!
Am I the only one wondering wtf with the Hbox singing footage at 17:33 this should be part of the iceberg imo
HungryBox: "Wank DI, I don't really know why it's called that."
*Shows demonstration*
Me: Well, if the boot fits.
¡¡WOW!!
Very scary iceberg.
48:30 I LOVED THESE OMGGGG
42:07 magnet scene reference 😂😂😂😂😂
why is mango Judas and not Leffen?
Edit: ok so yeah after all the shit with Armada, he belongs there
Bruh, these are so good
Keep em coming!
Speaking of the McDonalds Kiosks I went in a McDonalds near a book store I like recently and they had one for either GameCube or 64 still up there
20:23 if i had to guess somethibg broke in the level geometry during development and they used a rice ball to fix it. load bearing rice ball
@7:16 i blv its from zlda 2's scrt town, not 100%, but mayb
Who knows the music at 45:07 ? I need help to find this.
20:15 ces moi ou ces du feldup ? ( is it just me or this song is from a horror chanel call feldup?)
Oh my gosh my local McDonald's had two of those kiosks when I was super young, but they almost never worked, and I didn't know what Smash was at that point lol.
Luigi has a lot of cheese in melee 🤣
48:29 i remember a dixi lee was having these set whit double dash it was fucking nice
45:59 I thought it was for the neutral Fox colour? mang0 later challenged leffen to a $1000 money match that same tourney.
Where you talked about the phantom hit i think i heard the Fade sound from dragon age origins
24:08 why is roa stage list there lol
That crab things upsets me every time I see it. No respect.
you know the crab guy had pretty good aim to just throw it from that far away!
Bizarro Flame really was THE hype man though
Thank you for explaining this to me 🐬
I remember when a local McDonald's had N64 games, mainly dk and fzero
This is a good series there is a lot of stuff i want to know about smash but i cant search it cuz idk what im looking for specifically
I might be of some service - maybe provide some key words or a general idea of what you need to know, and I’ll see what I can do.
Why does the blastzone segment use rivals of aether blastzones instead of melee?
I'm gonna lose my mind, what song starts playing around 17:46?
@@KeiroBP omg I can't believe i couldn't remember that, thank you! 😂
I definitely thought that it was Amsa teching, based on the japanese yoshi player.
The iceberg expanded
I'm glad you can laugh about the crab thing now because that was super fucked up.
But the real question is... *who threw the crab?* And why do I hear some funky music that makes me think of crabs dancing?
Hungrybox probably owes half his recognition after the incident to that crab. They made a documentary about him because of the crab.
@@lagg1e I know lol
Young Link's air raid was sure something.
Is that Coney? Next to Isaiah? 1:04
29:35 that's not a riceball!! It's a jelly doughnut
waiting for the Leffen Diss to show up day 2
EDIT: WE DID IT ITS THERE BUT DOWN IN 6 BROOO
Wank DI is called that because when you shake your controller it could look like your ‘pleasuring” yourself and in the UK wank is slang for that
Pretty sure the Rainbow Cruise village entry crosses over with the famous Mario 64 iceberg
THE CONTINUITY
The video was good but you didn't credit any of the footage you used. Shoutouts to AsumSaus for making some them (they're the only ones I recognized)
There’s a third faded / transparent / watermark Dedede in the sky
Bro can you imagine if they actually put James Bond in smash? Shit would be wild
You are insane
Where is all the obscure yoshi tech??? I surely thought mention of amsa and yoshi would make it here.
every copy of melee is personalized
29:42 nice try, but I know that's a donut.
Imagine if a character from a game based on a film based on a book made it into smash
I’m gonna be that guy, but phantoms are explained better on asumsaus’ video on obscure melee mechanics, and phantoms are not on the tangent line, though they are within .01 melee units
Can the video editor share from where does he got the emerging animation for the titles?
I custom made them.
i knew most of this shit, but i gotta say im learning some stuff at the bottom of the iceberg
on april 14 1912 the rms titanic crasheb into a huge iceberg and sink
Literally just finished Part 1 lol
"I don't know why it's called wank DI" Sure...
10:48 = joy
Oh my god...
48:56 - THE ONLY LIVING PROOF OF THE TIMES I GREW UP ON. Been telling friends McDonald's __used__ to have these crazy game kiosks and this was definitely one. __And it was sick__
Though the claims about the grease and whatever, uhh...is far less than what i discovered. I seen toddlers at these. And it's not gone well. (Still, i kinda wish these were back. But at same time, it was better this way)