Wore ear plugs for concerts and always listened to music at reasonable levels for the most part of my adult life. Damaged both ear drums by diving into water from 3-4m of height and now have permanent tinnitus. Peace and quiet no longer exists, so do everything in your power to avoid hearing damage and loss.
Silencer shouldn't be a replacement for hearing protection. Like sure it helps but your gun is still gonna be loud as fuck. It's like not wearing a seat belt cuz you've got an air bag in your car.
@@ACE112ACE112 Ofc, I agree but more layers of protection is always better imo, with plugs and muffs however you’re still reaching into 90s and that’s barely hearing safe either. Plus if you’re in a situation without ear pro at least you won’t screw up your hearing as much as you would without a suppressor. Having shot an Ar suppressed with no ear pro (which is dumb, don’t do it) it’s the difference between something that’s loud and something that is just straight up painful, as it knocks about 20-30 dBs off the gunshot the same as most ear muffs.
I’ve been barking up this tree with friends and family for years, and I don’t think any of them have listened. I guess since headphones and audio in general are a hobby of mine, I take hearing loss more seriously. I have been using Earasers for years and they have been great. I’ve worn them to concerts, mowing the lawn, the movie theater, and even riding with friends who have very loud cars lol. Maybe I seem ridiculous, but I don’t wanna be the one yelling “WHAT?” when someone is talking right at normal speaking volume right in front of me. And even more important, I don’t want to ruin one of my favorite hobbies
I was a Marine and had so many guns going off right beside my head and explosions nearby. So thankful I can hear. I new several buddies that had to get hearing aids. Also shout out Murfreesboro. Love that place.
Please keep uploading videos like this often. It helps remind us to cut down on the db. It's very easy to go overboard when listening to nice songs with warm sets that are inoffensive in the treble. Cheers.
Tinnitus at 19, I realized really quickly hearing protection at EVERY loud event for the rest of my life. In this hobby where we pay thousands for minute hearing differences, no amount of money will get that back for you Watch that volume knob at home too, especially on Planars which seem to sound more comfortable than the decibels they really are.
Same, I developed pretty mild tinnitus after a concert at about the same age and now I have earplugs with me at all times. It's since gotten worse due to other factors but it just makes me more serious about always having hearing protection.
I had tinnitus, got rid of it using nascent iodine, magnesium, cdp choline, uridine, & phosphatidylcholine , found this out when I was using different nootropics, woke up one day to silence, so started studying why. The inner ear har cells work on a choline cycle & can heal, You can always improve hearing & rid yourself of tinnitus despite what drs say. Yes use hearing protection , of course.
@@privateuser7726no you can't, we aren't birds... Birds can regenerate their hearing, we can't, so when a hair cell dies completely, it's gone... Nothing can be done... I bet your tinnitus was very mild and it was going to go away on its own, without the crazy medicine... The earth must be flat for you, right?
@@privateuser7726Can you tell me more of this? I had tinnitus for one month now and its been hell. Had hearing test, MRI, and a bunch other test and they said its normal and couldn't find the cause. How long did it take for yours to dissapear?
@@privateuser7726can you tell me more of this? I have tinnitus for 1 month now and its been hell. Went to doctor did a bunch of test (hearing test, MRI, etc) and they said its all normal and couldn't find the cause. How long for your tinnitus to dissapear?
Excellent subject! It applies to everybody, music lover or not. Over the past few years, I have gotten into the habit of wearing earplugs while driving. It protects hearing and it's relaxing, even in traffic.
Wind noise. Motorcyclists lose hearing in a hurry, not because of the exhaust noise, but the wind. Open face is the worst, especially those stupid nazi cans. Wind noise can easily exceed 100dB. Imagine a road trip of 9 hours per day for a week at 100dB. You are cooked after that. Wear a full face at least (with shield closed) or motorcycle-specific earplugs with any helmet. Feel free to ignore any state earplug ban. Just pay the stupid fine if you get ticketed. And keep your dog’s head in the car!
Great video. I had a scare recently where I listened to my new IEMs a bit too loudly for a few hours. It caused tinnitus for the next 2 weeks. I was terrified and depressed I would be living with that constant squealing in my ears for the rest of my life. Thankfully it went away, but it put the fear into me and now I always listen to music at much lower volumes.
Absolutely. It is no joke. Our industry like many construction work sites are incredibly loud. I work in construction. I wear earplugs every day and not the cheap ones. ☺️
This is a topic I'm very passionate about. around 7-8 years ago I started using earplugs designed for music listening similar to those Dakoni ones but from Alpine for things like rehearsals with my band or going to concerts... It's not just the protection but also the feeling of finishing a 3-4 hour long rehearsal or going back home after a concert, taking them off and not feeling like your head is about to explode is life changing. I started wearing earplugs even on subway rides or even major cities, you then start to realize just how LOUD your regular life is.
I'd be for even a second channel for wireless hole punchers. Maybe even get Zeos to connect you with C_Does to see a variety of optics and maybe try out something competitive. Solid trio you have. I'm sure something supressed in 22lr like a Ruger 10/22 or CZ 457 could make for a fun plinking build to add.
Great vid. I got tinnitus from shooting since I was a kid as well as going to metal concerts. Constant ringing of the ears is something you don't want to have.
Yup. I went to a single big slipknot concert and it was enough to give me hearing loss on my right ear. Now I hear things off center when I try headphones on and its really annoying. It really sucks because Ive always been careful with not listening to loud music etc except for that one time. My hearing is still good besides this so I guess its similar to eyesight and dental care. It will only get worse but we can make the slope less steep.
Awesome video! I get too many comments stating earbuds aren't loud enough at max volume. I'm always pushing my viewers to listen at safer levels. I was one of those people who never worried about hearing protection. Drummer, raver, cranking earbuds at 100% and now I have mild hearing loss 🙃
Thank you so much making a video like this! It was so educational for me. It also makes a lot of sense because my mother had her kitchen remodeled 10 years ago. It was two weeks of construction and sonic sound blasting that even her my ears from the other part of the house. And my mother was right there making sure that the workers were doing their job right. Those two weeks caused permanent hearing damage to her. Today, she can barely hear me talking to her. Yes! Please make more videos like this. Thanks again for the education.
you can get hearing back, inner ear hair cells work on a choline cycle you can improve your hearing by taking cdp choline, uridine, phosphatidylcholine, ..of course protect your hearing shooting firearms & the like, but despite what drs say it is not permanent there is hope, even cancer patients who went thru chemo & lost hearing can restore hearing using sodium thiosulphate pentahydrate, all of the above also help tinnitus along with nascent iodine. Put your mom on cdg choline asap, you'll see improvement.
ive started to wear hearing protection at my retail job, sometimes i have to move stuff around on pallets and its loud as shit as the metal clanks around
Yep, I got my (luckily quite mild) case of tinnitus in the right ear from pushing a pallet jack quickly over an uneven metal surface in a warehouse. Been close to 20 years but it's still there.
Hearing health is something i've been extremely vocal about ever since I learnt about the dangers of noise exposure, so it really makes me happy to see a high profile content creator communicating this info to people who may otherwise have not been aware. Thank you for this DMS!
DMS, can you please do a comparison of noise leakage between different "Hi-Fidelity" ear plugs? Such as eargasm, and the ones you mentioned in the video. As someone who goes to a lot of concerts and festivals, taking the best equipped hearing protection is a top priority. I cannot test them due to not having professional audio equipment like you do. It would be a great topic that I am sure many others would appreciate also.
As a wise man (Crin) once said: "Lower Your Volumes!" I hadn't thought much about wearing hearing protection day-to-day, but those foam in-ear plugs are pretty convenient looking, so I might just start carrying them around on trips, now that you mention it. Or invest in an active set or one of those musician ones for certain situations if I start using them a lot. I personally like to rest my ears for a couple of days after any really loud listening (e.g. movie theater), I dunno if that helps at all, but at least it feels better to rest them than to not. Prevention's gotta be better than treating the symptoms, though. So, yeah, probably time to start wearing plugs at the theater. Hmm. (Maybe the musician ones, so I can hear the creative vision of the movie better. Depending on how loud they've cranked it in the particular theater. Pro tip: I've even asked one of the theater employees to turn it down a couple times, they surprisingly haven't minded once and were willing to do it any time I asked. I try to be mindful of other folks' preferences/experience and not ask for it to be turned down too much unless it's really excessive, but it is definitely an option.) Also: Yeah, I'd like to see more videos about the science of hearing! And like, good habits when listening and enjoying music/gear, if there's any more PSA-style advice to give there, if there's some gold-standard stuff that's not too preachy or subjective, I suppose. Whatever that might be! Or even if you wanna soapbox about something (and be transparent about doing so), for example I find Crin's videos in that vein both highly entertaining, but also valuable as a newcomer to the hobby. IMO he's always been clear about when he's on a subjective tear and what's supported by evidence (sound levels known to cause hearing damage, for example)... with enough context and transparency, it's all fair game, IMO.
I believe my hearing is severely damage, in a noisy place times I can't make out what people saying, or talking on the phone seems difficult at times. In the past, headphones turned up to eleven, working in an environment where rocks hit metal constantly. I thought I won't need good hearing until last year I learned about this hobby. Regret hits hard when I remember all the damage I have done to my body, ears, eyes, and body injuries. At lease still sensitive to sounds, I can pick up the slightest sounds.
We generally don't lose hearing evenly across frequencies. So, we might not be able to hear a normal face to face conversation or a timer ding, but still hear a very quiet hum or low frequency. It makes a lot of people believe their hearing is fine because they can still hear quiet sounds. Meanwhile, the people around them who have to practically shout to carry on a conversation are pulling their hair out.
Such an important topic, glad that you made this (and so well done!). I shot my AK one time (just one round) outside after forgetting to put in my right earplug, which resulted in instant tinnitus and pain. Never made that mistake again, hah!
Really important video, I recently got back into shooting sports and had this realization of needing double hearing protection once I got a muzzle braked center fire rifle. The noise from it is quite concussive and one set of muffs did not feel adequate for more than a few shots, even outdoors. I used to shoot alot of 22LR when younger with no hearing protection. The sound levels are a lot lower but still regret doing that as I'm sure it had some effect.
this is actually a great informative video, i loved the million dollar bill analogy ima use that in the future for my friends that do not understand how fragile and non-reversible your hearing health actually is.
If you care about your hearing and like shooting get some suppressors for your firearms and still wear that hearing protection, cheap hearing insurance for something you can't get back.
This is a really good one! Other than maybe your Apple Watch flashing red at you in the presence of high sound pressure, I’m not sure most people have any idea just how fragile their ears really are, or that there is no effective medical treatment to regain hearing acuity you have lost. A really quick tip for people - if your ears ever ring, even a tiny bit, after exposure to some loud sound, you were in the danger zone and you may have even done a little damage. Trust your body’s warning and don’t do that again! Yes, please do continue with all kinds of educational videos, not just the product reviews. Thank you. ✌️
Things that cause hearing damage... - Crowded places, bars, clubs, concerts etc - Public transport - Being outside with strong wind on your ears - Power tools, machinery - Playing music too loud Always wear noise cancelling or earplugs in loud places!! I recommend "music" earplugs, they keep the sound clear, without muffling it. But they can cut 25dB off
Hi everyone and thank you DMS for highlighting the importance of hearing care. Think of earplugs (like our SoundProtex you mentioned) like sunscreen for your hearing. For those that foolishly choose not to listen to the wise advice of DMS, we make hearing aids too 🤣
Which filter do you recommend for the greatest sound attenuation with the SoundProtex Pro? I thought it'd be the Full Block but it's not certified to EN standard, so the High one? Or am I missing something?
This video is hobbies/worlds collide for me. Excellent/logical choice in firearms and in headphones :). On a more serious note I highly recommend the active headphones and aftermarket gel pads to anyone watching. It's hot/sweatier than earplugs when doing things like mowing, but you can still hear everything around you.
The volume I listen to music at with headphones went down when I started getting into this game. But I’m sure the years I spent in the army and landscaping dulled out some my hearing
Pro tip: If you expose your hearing to damaged take high doses of NAC to potentially mitigate tinnitus/hearing loss 1200mg/day for 3-5 days. There is research showing it to lower the damage for most. But better is to just avoid damaging your ears.
@@DMS3TV Like how many audiophiles are into keyboards can we get gun reviews? "gun + ammo + hearing protection combo tier lists (audiophile approved)"
I love the content keep it up man! I honestly don’t understand how some people listen at volumes over 100dB. it hurts most of the time past the 95-100dB range. 80dB and sometimes 90dB if there’s a higher noise flour is what I usually listen at for around 1-3 hours at a time. My problem is sometimes after listening for a while I slowly turn the volume up especially on higher energy tracks and I creep up into 92 ish dB by hour 2 then I have to turn it down. The decibel tool on the AirPods Pro is quite useful, but I should probably stop doing that lol.
I'm so happy you made this! In case it helps anyone, for music/concert purposes I hiiiighly recommend custom eaplugs from 1 of 1 Custom (in the US) / ACS Custom (in the UK). You have to get impressions from places listed on their site, but oh my goodness it's worth every penny. The Pro 17 model is their go to for concerts etc, as it has substantial enough attenuation, but is relatively even across frequencies. They sound way better than using generic foam plugs. I've noticed with generic ones that they slowly come out, and after shows I'll sometimes get a mid-range ringing from a gap in the seal, which I just lament so much. The custom one's don't move at all once in, and are just flipping fantastic.
6:35 - Oh my god, thank you for this video! such good timing (uploaded 10 days ago. PLUS they're on sale for me). The Sennheiser ones are actually the most available to me in Australia and the cheapest of the available ones (that are higher quality). Eargasms are on Amazon, but are more expensive and I'm gravitating toward the Sennheisers anyway (plus they're much newer), even though Eargasms are good. I would love to see a full video on these. The 2 in this video. Eargasms. Then there's Loops and Vibes, which muffle the sound more, which isn't as great, though can be very comfy (but then fall out much easier). I'm seeing Lorna Shore, so I REALLY want that bass/lows to get through, and to protect my hearing in general. They would also be great for certain movie theatres that are MEGA loud (like when I saw Dune 1, with that crazy soundtrack screaming in my ears lol).
I had hearing loss on my left ear since childhood, and tinnitus, it was very mild tinnitus and i couldn't hear it most of the times, but last month i did 2 MIRs and atended a jazz concert, the drummer started lightly and i didn't though to wear protection, later he got intense and now my tinnitus is way louder, i can hear it over everything and the audio hobby is done for me 😭😭😭, my life is over
I went to an indoor range once with just ear muffs and no ear plugs. Once. Also motorcycling is a great way to get some bad tinnitus if you're not paying attention to how loud the wind noise is getting. Always wear a helmet and real foam earplugs while riding.
People often comment on the fact that I always use hearing protection at concerts, events and even very busy social gatherings. What's ridiculous is that they're much more willing to accept that I'm on the spectrum than to accept that I'm simply trying not to be deaf by 45. I have converted a few though, good earplugs make most live events sound even better (I'm a live sound tech in my free time and I'm amazed at how garbage most events sound, fuckton of boomy bass, no high mids, cranked low treble but no air).
I think I have tinnitus yet I have always done my best to protect my hearing. Never been to a concert, always wear hearing protection when doing anything that creates loud noise. Even when I was a kid, my dad always made sure I have hearing protection on. I don't even listen to music loudly. Thanks for this video, I wonder if maybe I just simply didn't have good enough hearing protection throughout my life, and I've always wondered about using the in-ear as well as over-ear protection.
I so regret not wearing ear plugs to concerts and even out on the town sometimes. At gun ranges, I did. Nice range footage, btw, that was fun. I plug my ears manually when police, fire or ambulance race by me too. Thanks for the reminder.
Funny story too, i was an A Gunner for the MAAWS in my squad, and obviously 84mm recoilless rounds are loud as hell so we gotta double up on earpro, but one long field op we are basically running ranges left and right, shooting off maaw shots, and near the end of the week, my gunner started having symptoms of a TBI because he did not double up on his earpro.
I'm glad I have an sound sensitivity, i really can't be around loud things. and that's probably why i can still hear above 20,000hz at my age. also, a few tips for sound isolation. if you want a really super noise cancelling headphones for a long flight, put earplugs under the headphones. even passively you will be in a bubble, but it also allows you to max the volume on the headphones without hurting your ears, which will isolate you farther. there is a type of moldable silicone earplugs. if you take the stem of ear tips for IEMs and put that stuff around it, you can make your own custom eartips that will cut down outside noise significantly and allow you to listen at lower volumes.
I use a pair of Engage 2 earplugs from Loop as my daily driver to "mute" social environments a bit. I wear them around the house (because I have Corgis), to the grocery store, and so on. It's the average, everyday sounds that occur at random that you can never account for.
More on this please - I’ve researched safe dB exposure levels briefly before for a project but struggled a little with translating the different measurement systems and calculations used by different countries into practice. If you could focus on how to make sure listening at a gig or concert is safe, that would be great. I go to a venue that regularly puts on small and amateur bands and their sound engineers are sometimes clueless and blast the music so loud it seems excessive even with my earplugs jammed all the way in (I use the silicone conical design with different steps, as I find this gives me the most flexibility with how much dampening I get). The World Health Organisation recommends listening limits based on noise exposure generally but also specifically for the volume of bass, as I assume loud bass affects the body in different ways due to the longer wavelength. Would be really helpful if you could make more sense of that for me too!
I bought a Little Dot amp back in like 2006. Plugged it in, put on my headphones, turned it on. *BANG* loud pop where the tubes sparked. Had to cause hearing loss. My ears were ringing for a minute. Don't trust Little Dot amps.
Well, I can still hear till 20khz even at 33 years old. All those years of wearing hearing protection paid off. Especially the double hearing protection when I was doing things at work 8+ hours a day that is noisy. And I've never been a loud headphone user. Which is why I laugh when people say they are super sensitive to treble but go "What?".🤣
It's a significant topic that isn't covered enough, I consistently use double ear protection at the range and also employ a silencer. Additionally, my in-ear monitors have NFMI technology, and if I find myself in an overly loud environment, I'll use my AirPods Pro 2 in adaptive mode to reduce the noise level.
I've spoken with several people who are under the impression that max volume on wireless headphones must be safe, otherwise the manufacturer wouldn't set it so high. These folks don't think its their own responsibility to look after their hearing.
Great video, but I would have loved to hear about your opinion on bass vs. treble in regards to damage. Perhaps also on the dB weighting. I know the video shouldn't be too complicated, but I think it's an interesting discussion.
The attenuation plugs that you can have custom made from Westone are the best I’ve ever seen. They are sooooo tiny and don’t look like a full size IEM like most customs.
Tinnitus is annoying but you can live with it. I have had it for most of my life, and I can go years without noticing it. So if you have it, do not panic. It is not as bad as some people say it is.
i learned from the dude PS audio himself that if you have no hearing protection that you can wet napkin/ tissue it doesnt matter, fold it up dont have it too wet & out it in your ears, did this many times at work when they didnt have earplugs available
I am an oddity in the hobby. I love music, but have great hearing. When I was still shooting regularly, I also did foam under passive earmuffs. When I had construction going on outside my office, I was using IEMs under earmuffs, because it was better.
you can get hearing back, inner ear hair cells work on a choline cycle you can improve your hearing by taking cdp choline, uridine, phosphatidylcholine, ..of course protect your hearing shooting firearms & the like, but despite what drs say it is not permanent there is hope, even cancer patients who went thru chemo & lost hearing can restore hearing using sodium thiosulphate pentahydrate, all of the above also help tinnitus along with nascent iodine.
You CAN regenerate inner ear hair cells & cilia, researchers are finding this out now, they didn't used to believe in neuroplasticity either, but it's being proved true in research, the body always wants to heal, just need to give the right fuel, the intrinsic factor , missing link, the vitamins for that healing to take place...for inner ear it's cdp choline amongst others that regenerate these inner ear hair cells. They run on a choline cycle, & it's not possible to get enough from food intake only.
Good opportunity to remind people that in ear headphones with silicone tips can save your hearing at least a little, because it blocks outside noise letting you use a lower volume than non silicone in ears or open backs. The other side of that is that it will also let you REACH higher sound pressure, so it only counts until you crank it to 11 🤪
I keep telling people this but still don't listen. Maybe because they already have hearing loss.
You can lead a horse to water!
Eh ? What was that sonny ??? Speak up now
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@DMS3TVBut at the end of the day the only thing you can truly force it to do is sink...
He pulled that ar out and I felt pressed through the screen 😂
I'm *TELLING* people to use hearing protection, not asking. LOL
DMS with the late night uploads 😊
when they least expect it
Little reminder that time zones exist…
Tinnitus is also a problem that can occur if you don't protect your hearing. Pro Tip- You don't want to get Tinnitus
"eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee", Say what? Can you repeat that?
@@DMS3TVis tinnitus 24/7 or just sometimes when most ppl mention timnitus?
@@ACE112ACE112 depends on the person/condition, it can be both.
I can vouch for that, personally. 🤒
@@ACE112ACE112For me its 24/7. Trust me, cut down the volume while you still can.
Wore ear plugs for concerts and always listened to music at reasonable levels for the most part of my adult life. Damaged both ear drums by diving into water from 3-4m of height and now have permanent tinnitus. Peace and quiet no longer exists, so do everything in your power to avoid hearing damage and loss.
I'm never diving from now on.
This is why I like silencers, ear pro doesn’t do nearly as much as people think it does.
Also it could be cool to see some ear pro reviews, there are almost no measurements out there for active ear pro.
Ends up not many people heave a B&K-head laying around haha
Silencer shouldn't be a replacement for hearing protection. Like sure it helps but your gun is still gonna be loud as fuck.
It's like not wearing a seat belt cuz you've got an air bag in your car.
They are only hearing safe if you use subsonic ammo.
@@ACE112ACE112 Ofc, I agree but more layers of protection is always better imo, with plugs and muffs however you’re still reaching into 90s and that’s barely hearing safe either. Plus if you’re in a situation without ear pro at least you won’t screw up your hearing as much as you would without a suppressor. Having shot an Ar suppressed with no ear pro (which is dumb, don’t do it) it’s the difference between something that’s loud and something that is just straight up painful, as it knocks about 20-30 dBs off the gunshot the same as most ear muffs.
Gotta turn this up, it's important!
Not every audiphile reviewer talks about the importance of hearing, great video and people should really notice their listening volume levels
I’ve been barking up this tree with friends and family for years, and I don’t think any of them have listened. I guess since headphones and audio in general are a hobby of mine, I take hearing loss more seriously. I have been using Earasers for years and they have been great. I’ve worn them to concerts, mowing the lawn, the movie theater, and even riding with friends who have very loud cars lol. Maybe I seem ridiculous, but I don’t wanna be the one yelling “WHAT?” when someone is talking right at normal speaking volume right in front of me. And even more important, I don’t want to ruin one of my favorite hobbies
I think this is probably one of the most important videos I've seen in this hobby. Keep up the awesome work!
Big agree 👂🏼
I was a Marine and had so many guns going off right beside my head and explosions nearby. So thankful I can hear. I new several buddies that had to get hearing aids. Also shout out Murfreesboro. Love that place.
Nothing says hello like a birdcage on a 18in indoors.
I was at a car show, where one driftcar was getting up to 130+db, so now i know why my ears startet hurting after a couple of seconds.
Thank you, audio related channels don't talk about this enough.
Please keep uploading videos like this often. It helps remind us to cut down on the db. It's very easy to go overboard when listening to nice songs with warm sets that are inoffensive in the treble. Cheers.
very good point of view. i am a drummer , and i cant do that
This is why I prefer slightly brighter cans.
When you pulled out the rifle my respect for you skyrocketed, I did not know you were this much of a badass
Tinnitus at 19, I realized really quickly hearing protection at EVERY loud event for the rest of my life.
In this hobby where we pay thousands for minute hearing differences, no amount of money will get that back for you
Watch that volume knob at home too, especially on Planars which seem to sound more comfortable than the decibels they really are.
Same, I developed pretty mild tinnitus after a concert at about the same age and now I have earplugs with me at all times. It's since gotten worse due to other factors but it just makes me more serious about always having hearing protection.
I had tinnitus, got rid of it using nascent iodine, magnesium, cdp choline, uridine, & phosphatidylcholine , found this out when I was using different nootropics, woke up one day to silence, so started studying why. The inner ear har cells work on a choline cycle & can heal, You can always improve hearing & rid yourself of tinnitus despite what drs say. Yes use hearing protection , of course.
@@privateuser7726no you can't, we aren't birds... Birds can regenerate their hearing, we can't, so when a hair cell dies completely, it's gone... Nothing can be done... I bet your tinnitus was very mild and it was going to go away on its own, without the crazy medicine...
The earth must be flat for you, right?
@@privateuser7726Can you tell me more of this? I had tinnitus for one month now and its been hell. Had hearing test, MRI, and a bunch other test and they said its normal and couldn't find the cause.
How long did it take for yours to dissapear?
@@privateuser7726can you tell me more of this? I have tinnitus for 1 month now and its been hell. Went to doctor did a bunch of test (hearing test, MRI, etc) and they said its all normal and couldn't find the cause.
How long for your tinnitus to dissapear?
Excellent subject! It applies to everybody, music lover or not. Over the past few years, I have gotten into the habit of wearing earplugs while driving. It protects hearing and it's relaxing, even in traffic.
Wind noise. Motorcyclists lose hearing in a hurry, not because of the exhaust noise, but the wind. Open face is the worst, especially those stupid nazi cans. Wind noise can easily exceed 100dB. Imagine a road trip of 9 hours per day for a week at 100dB. You are cooked after that.
Wear a full face at least (with shield closed) or motorcycle-specific earplugs with any helmet. Feel free to ignore any state earplug ban. Just pay the stupid fine if you get ticketed.
And keep your dog’s head in the car!
Great video. I had a scare recently where I listened to my new IEMs a bit too loudly for a few hours. It caused tinnitus for the next 2 weeks. I was terrified and depressed I would be living with that constant squealing in my ears for the rest of my life. Thankfully it went away, but it put the fear into me and now I always listen to music at much lower volumes.
Thank you for tackling this topic
Thank you for the reminder and explanation, I didn't know I need it but turns out I do. Appreciate it.
I'm pleasantly surprised for this video. Thanks for looking out for our ears.
Super important topic that isn't discussed nearly enough in the audio world. Thanks for bringing it up!
Absolutely. It is no joke. Our industry like many construction work sites are incredibly loud. I work in construction. I wear earplugs every day and not the cheap ones. ☺️
This is a topic I'm very passionate about. around 7-8 years ago I started using earplugs designed for music listening similar to those Dakoni ones but from Alpine for things like rehearsals with my band or going to concerts... It's not just the protection but also the feeling of finishing a 3-4 hour long rehearsal or going back home after a concert, taking them off and not feeling like your head is about to explode is life changing. I started wearing earplugs even on subway rides or even major cities, you then start to realize just how LOUD your regular life is.
i did NOT expect bro to whip out weapons in this video
Next time I might whip out some headphones
@@DMS3TV i think i just felt physical cringe from that reply
Murica
DMS pulling out all the big guns!
I'd be for even a second channel for wireless hole punchers. Maybe even get Zeos to connect you with C_Does to see a variety of optics and maybe try out something competitive.
Solid trio you have. I'm sure something supressed in 22lr like a Ruger 10/22 or CZ 457 could make for a fun plinking build to add.
Great vid. I got tinnitus from shooting since I was a kid as well as going to metal concerts. Constant ringing of the ears is something you don't want to have.
Yup. I went to a single big slipknot concert and it was enough to give me hearing loss on my right ear. Now I hear things off center when I try headphones on and its really annoying.
It really sucks because Ive always been careful with not listening to loud music etc except for that one time.
My hearing is still good besides this so I guess its similar to eyesight and dental care. It will only get worse but we can make the slope less steep.
Awesome video! I get too many comments stating earbuds aren't loud enough at max volume. I'm always pushing my viewers to listen at safer levels. I was one of those people who never worried about hearing protection. Drummer, raver, cranking earbuds at 100% and now I have mild hearing loss 🙃
I love your videos bro
Thank you so much making a video like this! It was so educational for me.
It also makes a lot of sense because my mother had her kitchen remodeled 10 years ago. It was two weeks of construction and sonic sound blasting that even her my ears from the other part of the house. And my mother was right there making sure that the workers were doing their job right. Those two weeks caused permanent hearing damage to her. Today, she can barely hear me talking to her.
Yes! Please make more videos like this. Thanks again for the education.
you can get hearing back, inner ear hair cells work on a choline cycle you can improve your hearing by taking cdp choline, uridine, phosphatidylcholine, ..of course protect your hearing shooting firearms & the like, but despite what drs say it is not permanent there is hope, even cancer patients who went thru chemo & lost hearing can restore hearing using sodium thiosulphate pentahydrate, all of the above also help tinnitus along with nascent iodine. Put your mom on cdg choline asap, you'll see improvement.
the chapter is called "wireless hole punchers"
lmao
Thank you for the information, Douglas! ❤
the quality of this channel is incredible
ive started to wear hearing protection at my retail job, sometimes i have to move stuff around on pallets and its loud as shit as the metal clanks around
smart move honestly. respect.
Yep, I got my (luckily quite mild) case of tinnitus in the right ear from pushing a pallet jack quickly over an uneven metal surface in a warehouse. Been close to 20 years but it's still there.
starts to turn down the volume knob while watching this video 🤣
that's what I like to see!
Hearing health is something i've been extremely vocal about ever since I learnt about the dangers of noise exposure, so it really makes me happy to see a high profile content creator communicating this info to people who may otherwise have not been aware. Thank you for this DMS!
This video just made me instatly go to amazon and buy earplugs, nothing scares me more than hearing loss, thanks for reminding everyone about this
DMS, can you please do a comparison of noise leakage between different "Hi-Fidelity" ear plugs? Such as eargasm, and the ones you mentioned in the video. As someone who goes to a lot of concerts and festivals, taking the best equipped hearing protection is a top priority. I cannot test them due to not having professional audio equipment like you do. It would be a great topic that I am sure many others would appreciate also.
american moment
yee haw
@@DMS3TV I find it hilarious that google wants to translate this comment into English, as "yes haw".
As an European it is surreal to me how casually he pulled out those guns.
@@WesseI here pretty much everyone owns them 😅
@@DMS3TV Yes?
As a wise man (Crin) once said: "Lower Your Volumes!"
I hadn't thought much about wearing hearing protection day-to-day, but those foam in-ear plugs are pretty convenient looking, so I might just start carrying them around on trips, now that you mention it. Or invest in an active set or one of those musician ones for certain situations if I start using them a lot.
I personally like to rest my ears for a couple of days after any really loud listening (e.g. movie theater), I dunno if that helps at all, but at least it feels better to rest them than to not. Prevention's gotta be better than treating the symptoms, though. So, yeah, probably time to start wearing plugs at the theater. Hmm. (Maybe the musician ones, so I can hear the creative vision of the movie better. Depending on how loud they've cranked it in the particular theater. Pro tip: I've even asked one of the theater employees to turn it down a couple times, they surprisingly haven't minded once and were willing to do it any time I asked. I try to be mindful of other folks' preferences/experience and not ask for it to be turned down too much unless it's really excessive, but it is definitely an option.)
Also: Yeah, I'd like to see more videos about the science of hearing! And like, good habits when listening and enjoying music/gear, if there's any more PSA-style advice to give there, if there's some gold-standard stuff that's not too preachy or subjective, I suppose. Whatever that might be! Or even if you wanna soapbox about something (and be transparent about doing so), for example I find Crin's videos in that vein both highly entertaining, but also valuable as a newcomer to the hobby. IMO he's always been clear about when he's on a subjective tear and what's supported by evidence (sound levels known to cause hearing damage, for example)... with enough context and transparency, it's all fair game, IMO.
I am always gonna refer to guns as wireless hole punchers now
I believe my hearing is severely damage, in a noisy place times I can't make out what people saying, or talking on the phone seems difficult at times. In the past, headphones turned up to eleven, working in an environment where rocks hit metal constantly. I thought I won't need good hearing until last year I learned about this hobby. Regret hits hard when I remember all the damage I have done to my body, ears, eyes, and body injuries. At lease still sensitive to sounds, I can pick up the slightest sounds.
We generally don't lose hearing evenly across frequencies. So, we might not be able to hear a normal face to face conversation or a timer ding, but still hear a very quiet hum or low frequency. It makes a lot of people believe their hearing is fine because they can still hear quiet sounds. Meanwhile, the people around them who have to practically shout to carry on a conversation are pulling their hair out.
Such an important topic, glad that you made this (and so well done!). I shot my AK one time (just one round) outside after forgetting to put in my right earplug, which resulted in instant tinnitus and pain. Never made that mistake again, hah!
Really important video, I recently got back into shooting sports and had this realization of needing double hearing protection once I got a muzzle braked center fire rifle.
The noise from it is quite concussive and one set of muffs did not feel adequate for more than a few shots, even outdoors.
I used to shoot alot of 22LR when younger with no hearing protection. The sound levels are a lot lower but still regret doing that as I'm sure it had some effect.
this is actually a great informative video, i loved the million dollar bill analogy ima use that in the future for my friends that do not understand how fragile and non-reversible your hearing health actually is.
suppressors for the win!
If you care about your hearing and like shooting get some suppressors for your firearms and still wear that hearing protection, cheap hearing insurance for something you can't get back.
I double up on ear pro at the range indoor and outdoor. Peltor and eargasims
This is a really good one! Other than maybe your Apple Watch flashing red at you in the presence of high sound pressure, I’m not sure most people have any idea just how fragile their ears really are, or that there is no effective medical treatment to regain hearing acuity you have lost. A really quick tip for people - if your ears ever ring, even a tiny bit, after exposure to some loud sound, you were in the danger zone and you may have even done a little damage. Trust your body’s warning and don’t do that again! Yes, please do continue with all kinds of educational videos, not just the product reviews. Thank you. ✌️
great video, I work as a carpenter and we have lots of very noisy equipment, I always carry the 3M Peltor used for airplanes traffic.
Things that cause hearing damage...
- Crowded places, bars, clubs, concerts etc
- Public transport
- Being outside with strong wind on your ears
- Power tools, machinery
- Playing music too loud
Always wear noise cancelling or earplugs in loud places!! I recommend "music" earplugs, they keep the sound clear, without muffling it. But they can cut 25dB off
Hi everyone and thank you DMS for highlighting the importance of hearing care. Think of earplugs (like our SoundProtex you mentioned) like sunscreen for your hearing.
For those that foolishly choose not to listen to the wise advice of DMS, we make hearing aids too 🤣
Which filter do you recommend for the greatest sound attenuation with the SoundProtex Pro? I thought it'd be the Full Block but it's not certified to EN standard, so the High one? Or am I missing something?
Awesome video. The b roll of the bullets following on your laptop was so sick, lol.
This video is hobbies/worlds collide for me. Excellent/logical choice in firearms and in headphones :).
On a more serious note I highly recommend the active headphones and aftermarket gel pads to anyone watching. It's hot/sweatier than earplugs when doing things like mowing, but you can still hear everything around you.
The volume I listen to music at with headphones went down when I started getting into this game. But I’m sure the years I spent in the army and landscaping dulled out some my hearing
Golden Sound would have pulled out bag pipes to use as an example.
Pro tip:
If you expose your hearing to damaged take high doses of NAC to potentially mitigate tinnitus/hearing loss 1200mg/day for 3-5 days. There is research showing it to lower the damage for most.
But better is to just avoid damaging your ears.
Never expected my two most different hobbies to make a crossover in this video 😂great video
Petition for DMS to make a gun channel
honestly that could be fun
I second that
@@DMS3TV Like how many audiophiles are into keyboards can we get gun reviews? "gun + ammo + hearing protection combo tier lists (audiophile approved)"
@@RNeeko "Is Remington ammo closer to Harman curve than Fiocci?"
Best audiophile gunrange headphone?
@@RNeeko
I love the content keep it up man! I honestly don’t understand how some people listen at volumes over 100dB. it hurts most of the time past the 95-100dB range. 80dB and sometimes 90dB if there’s a higher noise flour is what I usually listen at for around 1-3 hours at a time. My problem is sometimes after listening for a while I slowly turn the volume up especially on higher energy tracks and I creep up into 92 ish dB by hour 2 then I have to turn it down. The decibel tool on the AirPods Pro is quite useful, but I should probably stop doing that lol.
I'm so happy you made this! In case it helps anyone, for music/concert purposes I hiiiighly recommend custom eaplugs from 1 of 1 Custom (in the US) / ACS Custom (in the UK). You have to get impressions from places listed on their site, but oh my goodness it's worth every penny. The Pro 17 model is their go to for concerts etc, as it has substantial enough attenuation, but is relatively even across frequencies. They sound way better than using generic foam plugs. I've noticed with generic ones that they slowly come out, and after shows I'll sometimes get a mid-range ringing from a gap in the seal, which I just lament so much. The custom one's don't move at all once in, and are just flipping fantastic.
6:35 - Oh my god, thank you for this video! such good timing (uploaded 10 days ago. PLUS they're on sale for me). The Sennheiser ones are actually the most available to me in Australia and the cheapest of the available ones (that are higher quality). Eargasms are on Amazon, but are more expensive and I'm gravitating toward the Sennheisers anyway (plus they're much newer), even though Eargasms are good.
I would love to see a full video on these. The 2 in this video. Eargasms. Then there's Loops and Vibes, which muffle the sound more, which isn't as great, though can be very comfy (but then fall out much easier).
I'm seeing Lorna Shore, so I REALLY want that bass/lows to get through, and to protect my hearing in general. They would also be great for certain movie theatres that are MEGA loud (like when I saw Dune 1, with that crazy soundtrack screaming in my ears lol).
I had hearing loss on my left ear since childhood, and tinnitus, it was very mild tinnitus and i couldn't hear it most of the times, but last month i did 2 MIRs and atended a jazz concert, the drummer started lightly and i didn't though to wear protection, later he got intense and now my tinnitus is way louder, i can hear it over everything and the audio hobby is done for me 😭😭😭, my life is over
I went to an indoor range once with just ear muffs and no ear plugs. Once. Also motorcycling is a great way to get some bad tinnitus if you're not paying attention to how loud the wind noise is getting. Always wear a helmet and real foam earplugs while riding.
People often comment on the fact that I always use hearing protection at concerts, events and even very busy social gatherings. What's ridiculous is that they're much more willing to accept that I'm on the spectrum than to accept that I'm simply trying not to be deaf by 45.
I have converted a few though, good earplugs make most live events sound even better (I'm a live sound tech in my free time and I'm amazed at how garbage most events sound, fuckton of boomy bass, no high mids, cranked low treble but no air).
i use custom in ears from ACS at -20db attenuation filters for stadiums and concerts
For those of us without headphone measurement rigs, is there an accurate and reasonably inexpensive way to, um, measure the volume we're listening at?
I think I have tinnitus yet I have always done my best to protect my hearing. Never been to a concert, always wear hearing protection when doing anything that creates loud noise. Even when I was a kid, my dad always made sure I have hearing protection on. I don't even listen to music loudly. Thanks for this video, I wonder if maybe I just simply didn't have good enough hearing protection throughout my life, and I've always wondered about using the in-ear as well as over-ear protection.
I so regret not wearing ear plugs to concerts and even out on the town sometimes. At gun ranges, I did. Nice range footage, btw, that was fun. I plug my ears manually when police, fire or ambulance race by me too. Thanks for the reminder.
Thank you DMS! love your contents!👍👍👍
Surefire ear plugs have been great for me. Low cost and don't have to mess with earcups getting in the way.
Maybe you should do a video about how to measure the loudness of your headphones.
Funny story too, i was an A Gunner for the MAAWS in my squad, and obviously 84mm recoilless rounds are loud as hell so we gotta double up on earpro, but one long field op we are basically running ranges left and right, shooting off maaw shots, and near the end of the week, my gunner started having symptoms of a TBI because he did not double up on his earpro.
Hell I didn't expect leakage of my another hobby to this hobby!
I'm glad I have an sound sensitivity, i really can't be around loud things. and that's probably why i can still hear above 20,000hz at my age.
also, a few tips for sound isolation. if you want a really super noise cancelling headphones for a long flight, put earplugs under the headphones. even passively you will be in a bubble, but it also allows you to max the volume on the headphones without hurting your ears, which will isolate you farther.
there is a type of moldable silicone earplugs. if you take the stem of ear tips for IEMs and put that stuff around it, you can make your own custom eartips that will cut down outside noise significantly and allow you to listen at lower volumes.
Didn't know DMS was strapped
have to protect my headphones
I use a pair of Engage 2 earplugs from Loop as my daily driver to "mute" social environments a bit. I wear them around the house (because I have Corgis), to the grocery store, and so on. It's the average, everyday sounds that occur at random that you can never account for.
More on this please - I’ve researched safe dB exposure levels briefly before for a project but struggled a little with translating the different measurement systems and calculations used by different countries into practice. If you could focus on how to make sure listening at a gig or concert is safe, that would be great. I go to a venue that regularly puts on small and amateur bands and their sound engineers are sometimes clueless and blast the music so loud it seems excessive even with my earplugs jammed all the way in (I use the silicone conical design with different steps, as I find this gives me the most flexibility with how much dampening I get). The World Health Organisation recommends listening limits based on noise exposure generally but also specifically for the volume of bass, as I assume loud bass affects the body in different ways due to the longer wavelength. Would be really helpful if you could make more sense of that for me too!
I bought a Little Dot amp back in like 2006. Plugged it in, put on my headphones, turned it on. *BANG* loud pop where the tubes sparked. Had to cause hearing loss. My ears were ringing for a minute. Don't trust Little Dot amps.
Well, I can still hear till 20khz even at 33 years old.
All those years of wearing hearing protection paid off. Especially the double hearing protection when I was doing things at work 8+ hours a day that is noisy.
And I've never been a loud headphone user.
Which is why I laugh when people say they are super sensitive to treble but go "What?".🤣
joints and hearing are precious
It's a significant topic that isn't covered enough, I consistently use double ear protection at the range and also employ a silencer. Additionally, my in-ear monitors have NFMI technology, and if I find myself in an overly loud environment, I'll use my AirPods Pro 2 in adaptive mode to reduce the noise level.
Walkers earpro are great for the range. 223 and 300 win mag are very very loud
I've spoken with several people who are under the impression that max volume on wireless headphones must be safe, otherwise the manufacturer wouldn't set it so high. These folks don't think its their own responsibility to look after their hearing.
that's scary to hear 😬
Great video, but I would have loved to hear about your opinion on bass vs. treble in regards to damage. Perhaps also on the dB weighting.
I know the video shouldn't be too complicated, but I think it's an interesting discussion.
DMS with guns makes me flabbergasted, like when I watched Moist Charlie show his AR-15 after being threatened by Sneako. Let me say this... Dayum bro!
ends up a lot of youtubers have wireless hole-punchers
@@DMS3TVit's almost like owning expensive things makes you think about keeping em, lol
This video is very made and informative, I would love to see more !
Yeah get the deolkoni ear plugs protect ears in all situations , and use choline to heal the ear cells !!! Be safe and be smart!! Godspeed !!
Can't overemphasize this too much!!
The attenuation plugs that you can have custom made from Westone are the best I’ve ever seen. They are sooooo tiny and don’t look like a full size IEM like most customs.
Tinnitus is annoying but you can live with it. I have had it for most of my life, and I can go years without noticing it.
So if you have it, do not panic. It is not as bad as some people say it is.
Nobody got to live like that, just accept it?, there ways to cure that . Most people full of nano, heavy metals, they an antenna, clear it out, detox.
i learned from the dude PS audio himself that if you have no hearing protection that you can wet napkin/ tissue it doesnt matter, fold it up dont have it too wet & out it in your ears, did this many times at work when they didnt have earplugs available
I am an oddity in the hobby. I love music, but have great hearing. When I was still shooting regularly, I also did foam under passive earmuffs. When I had construction going on outside my office, I was using IEMs under earmuffs, because it was better.
you can get hearing back, inner ear hair cells work on a choline cycle you can improve your hearing by taking cdp choline, uridine, phosphatidylcholine, ..of course protect your hearing shooting firearms & the like, but despite what drs say it is not permanent there is hope, even cancer patients who went thru chemo & lost hearing can restore hearing using sodium thiosulphate pentahydrate, all of the above also help tinnitus along with nascent iodine.
You CAN regenerate inner ear hair cells & cilia, researchers are finding this out now, they didn't used to believe in neuroplasticity either, but it's being proved true in research, the body always wants to heal, just need to give the right fuel, the intrinsic factor , missing link, the vitamins for that healing to take place...for inner ear it's cdp choline amongst others that regenerate these inner ear hair cells. They run on a choline cycle, & it's not possible to get enough from food intake only.
People with loud car stereos say "bass doesn't cause damage!" ok but your bass is 150-165db...
Even at 120 its definitely doing damage
Thanks for the PSA
thx alot. you saved some of my million ;)
Good opportunity to remind people that in ear headphones with silicone tips can save your hearing at least a little, because it blocks outside noise letting you use a lower volume than non silicone in ears or open backs.
The other side of that is that it will also let you REACH higher sound pressure, so it only counts until you crank it to 11 🤪