I feel like garps line of “only weaklings lose their way” is what he’s told himself his whole life and is why he’s still a marine. It’s definitely his pride getting in the way but to me it’s at least an interesting look into his thought process
Garp is on the whole a fake person, and not in a bad way. He is the hero of the marines and needs to uphold the standard for the rest of them at all times, projecting absolute justice and unwavering strength. Saying that line is what he needs to say, to inspire other marines and to show them that he will never stop fighting for their cause. But we know why Garp joined, to defend the defenseless, not to destroy every pirate because he can. He is much more soft and loving and against all tyranny (including his own organization’s) than he appears, and I think if he was ordered to take out a village/group of complete innocents to protect government secrets, he would abandon his post and take his personal brand of justice elsewhere.
Revolutionary Army might be the best situation for Aokiji, he could still be free and work behind the scenes, and while he would still have superiors, he would be fighting for a greater world.
This theory made me realize that Aokiji and Dragon has more in common when it comes to the marins. So Aokiji and Dragon working together would be ideal although im not too sure if Dragon hold any emotional ties to his father unless the altercation with Aokiji and Garb was premeditated. Great theory btw
True.Both are former marines, Both were likely trained by Garp, Both saw the evil of the world government and both trying to do something about it. Then, Both have deep connections with Akainu.
I've always been of the opinion that the Marines don't want to be handing out Haki training to just anyone. That's dangerous. If Haki was standard training for all Marines, you aren't making an unbeatable army, you're making a threat to your own organization.
12:53 you’re spot on with Garps words. It’s not just Kuzan he does this to he did it to his son&3 grandchildren because he genuinely believes the marines are the only way to change the world& it’s also why he has so much faith in Koby
“only weaklings lose their way” can be interpreted in many ways, but to me its like garp teaching not only coby back then but also kuzan, garp understood that kuzan conviction is lacking, the proof is he does not go all out against him from the get go, if you wanna be a villain be a villain through and through, if you wanna be a hero be a hero through and through, do not pick and choose base on your feelings when you want to save people or not. P/s garp spend the most with kuzan and he knows he is not the type of guy who would stoop low to blindly follow blackbeard, he understand he has some sort of bigger plan but to do that you have to commit as a blackbeard pirate.
@@lunarluxe9832no lmao. If garp loses that means coby and the rest are done. If he has that thinking especially during the escape is DUMB. Retake better nxt time
In defense of Garp Kuzan didn’t just leave the marines he joined one of if not the most sinister group of pirates Garp has seen what black beards about black beard is one of the biggest reasons he couldn’t keep his promise to roger to protect ace so while garp is loyal to the marines which can get annoying him saying kuzan lost his way from where garp is looking makes a lot of sense
Working under the celestial dragons being apart of a system you dont agree with under a man who has the justice system you sworn to never be like Vs aokiji living life on his own terms and finally having a choice in his actions not working under people like the goresei or akainu and most of all freedom. Garp saying all he said about kuzans piracy while being ignorant of the fact that he works for the most disturbing organization in the show shows his blind justice towards anyone who isnt a marine
Akainu is the same person who destroyed a ship with innocent civillians kids and women because he didnt want robin to get away Now akainu is the one issuing orders to marines joining bb is a valid choice
@@rxyvon9381 I don’t see how him joining someone who’d do exactly what akainu did but 10x worse is a better solution akainu is at least fighting for his own form of justice black beard is just pure evil and selfish and his crew is even worse
@@TheTrueStrongest idk what scene you watched from blackbeard that was 10x worse then blowing up a refugee ship consisting of kids and innocent civillians, and killing young and weak marines for speaking but aokiji definitely sees a diffrence between blackbeards way of pirating and akainus absolute justice
@@rxyvon9381 well yea ur right but akainus thing was at least done under his weird sense of justice blackbeard would do the same thing but with a reason like he just felt like it
Kuzan's connection to the Monke family is kinda crazy. Garp was he sensei in a way, trained his as a near perfect marine. Luffy has shown him through various interactions that Pirates can be good people, and his own goals align almost perfectly with Dragons. I want more than anything for Kuzan to work for the RA, it just makes sense
The “only weaklings lose their way” comment is the perfect thing for Garp say to Kuzan. At this point, I think it would be fair to assume that they haven’t seen each other since Kuzan’s punk hazard fight. After that fight not only does Kuzan leave the marines, but only a short time later does he joins with one of the most despicable pirates of the current era. To everyone observing from afar, it would look like he completely abandoned his old morality and sense of right and wrong because he lost the fight. Of course us as the readers have better insight into the reasons why Kuzan has made the choices he’s made. Butt outside of the 10 titanic commanders and Blackbeard, no one else does. It would be a very reasonable assumption for Garp to conclude that his protégé has completely abandoned the person that he was and lost his way.
1:12 there actually *are* a couple of vice admirals who were considered for the two openings that eventually went to Fujitora and Ryokugyu. Their code-names are Momousagi and Chaton.
Enjoyed this immensely, I remember seeing him save Smoker from Doffy, and that was when he got interesting to me. Smoker is my favorite Marine by far, I feel like he will end up defecting. I think that the Marines are going to go into a split-- not sure exactly why it feels that way but it does.
I think Garp’s line is both probably what he tells himself to cope about kuzan but also because he joined Blackbeard,one of the epitome’s of how bad pirates are. If he joined like the straw hats or red haired pirates he maybe wouldn’t be so upset
I think Garp did treat Kuzan as his son (as Dragon left for Revolution business). This old man has been watching Kuzan grow up from a silly teens to one of the strong Admirals. How heartbroken the old man was to see Kuzan still unable to find his own way in this world (similar to young Robin, but Kuzan is in his middle age now).
I've always picked up "good guy vibes" from Aokiji since he let Robin go. He's just lost. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually ends up being the final straw hat tbh
Hadn’t considered that but if the straw hats do pick up another member they don’t have a logia and it should be a well established and powerful character. Aokiji meets both of those requirements
@@Almighty_Magecould be Koby too due to the shared similarities as protégés of Garp and their connections with pirate crews who are rivals to one another, Blackbeard and Luffy.
Neither smoker, nor Aokiji will join, it makes sense for them to side with luffy but not join him. Same goes for Koby, to say other wise is a dis service to his character. We certainly will get 1 more straw hat because in the very first episode luffy said a crew of “10”, I believe this last person maybe from a place where vegapunk is or maybe vegapunk himself. But who knows.
I feel like admirals joining the strawhats seem a bit of a stretch, I could definitely see someone like fujitora join the grand fleet but that's really it
I would love to see a "What's up with Akainu?" video because it will be a good follow up as he is a crucial point to Aokiji's characterization and I'm just impressed about ur take on Kuzan's character.
it is very nice to hear someone who actually thought about why akoji joined black beard. it was annoying how most people couldn't even comprehend it when the answer has been there from early on. also yeah Garp being 100% in favor of marine support can be annoying. i like to imagine when he says Marine, he isn't including the World Government side of things (gorosei,celestial dragons,CIpher Poll ect) since to be fair the majority of pirates are in fact evil. ad the marines do help deal with them.
Always have love for Aokiji. As many ways you can go with it why he joined the blackbeard pirates, he's one of the best written manga characters of all time, both for his kindness, and the vast mystery that still surrounds him. I feel like he's using whatever vehicle he can to carry out his personal values as they grow with everything else that makes him up as a person. I'm excited to see the next episode of his story.
Aokiji saying he couldnt use haki if he wanted to could be talking about how exhausting Garps training was that he had to punch the ship until he had no strength left
12:40 I think the point Garp was trying to make is that he join back and become a member of sword. My assumption is “altough you couldn’t achieve what you wanted in the marines, sword is the organization that will fight against the world government and create a better system” this is what I think garp was trying to say(without mentioning sword) but I could be wrong
I hope he isn't a Marine double agent. If only because that feels a bit cliche. It makes sense that he would have turned on the world government, but the question is why go to Blackbeard instead of either the Revolutionary Army of the Straw Hats? My theory is that he wants Blackbeard to be pirate king because he knows that's the worst outcome for the government. I'm sure he believes in the strength of the Straw Hats enough to know that Luffy could make it all the way to Raftel. But imo he doesn't think Luffy has the ruthlessness to use the position of pirate king to cause havoc for the WG the way Blackbeard could.
Another reason could be because he is trying to protect Luffy from Blackbeard, kinda like how Itachi was protecting the hidden leaf from the Akatsuki for Garp's sake. The world government's aim is predictable and Garp being there gives a sense of relief. Blackbeard, on the other hand, is unpredictable and Luffy 's adversary. By joining the crew he knows exactly what is happening and where things are headed.
I have a feeling they don't want all marines to be proficient in haki because they don't want an overwhelmingly strong amount of soldiers in case they decide to revolt.
Dragon left the Marines because he saw no justice there. Maybe Kuzan realized the same thing. Maybe he'll end up a member of the revolutionary army. I can't see him being loyal to Blackbeard.
Your assessment of what Garp said is probably wrong. Garp doesnt comsider Kuzan weak. He saw that Kuzan was confused about his decision and that was Garp's way of saying that if Kuzan has made up his mind then he ought to sticl with that he thinks is right.
I think the idea of Shanks and Kuzan helping eachother is a cool theory although I do believe it makes more sense for Kuzan to be undercover/ relaying things to Dragon and the revolutionaries. Kuzan being apart of the marines and being a former admiral shows he obviously wants what is right but doesn’t believe in absolute justice like Sakazuki does, I felt it always made sense for him to be more attached with the revolutionaries then the marines especially after the incident at Ohara. I also think it’ll be a cool moment to see where Kuzan truly has his loyalty to since even when we saw him as an admiral, he seemed to act distant/different to what we’ve seen marines act prior (and even after) so him being apart of something more fitting to him will be awesome unless he truly is just by himself which I also think is interesting for his character. W video
I mean from Garps perspective kuzan joined one of the most heinous people in the world and became a commander on that very same person's crew and Garap doesn't know why
12:05 I believe that's a major part of Garp's character. he has lived his entire life a certain way and now he's just a stubborn old man who is set in stone. Basically he's a boomer who believes in "My way or the highway". Its like Ace and Luffy he doesn't hate them or think they are wrong for their way of life which is why he doesn't literally stop them from living their life because he totally could. He just knows its safer to live under the thumb of the government. I mean look where Ace's life decisions got him. You might make the excuse Ace would've been killed regardless because of his heritage but I think he would've been able to slip through the cracks. I mean if we are being completely honest even being in the marines doesn't make you safe its just safer than not being a marine.
Garp strikes me as a hard headed fool anyway. I'm talking the type of dude who's always going to stand with the government even if he knows that there's something wrong and fishy going on, all in the name of "never wavering." Even if he's standing on the wrong side of history. Had aokiji actually shared his personal struggles about the government with him, he probably would've just told him to suck it up and fall back in line because the government might not be perfect but at least they're locking pirates up and fighting the good fight.
12:27 I don't think that's what Garp meant. I think Garp meant whatever Aokigi's goal was before, it seems muddled and unclear now. Aokigi doesn't know which way he wants to go, so he's searching.
I wonder if the man marked by flames is Imu.. I feel like they would never go around on a ship but if they did it would be black and they would kill anyone who got close to them.. maybe joyboy marked imu with flames.. or is just saul.. but I hope it’s a new character or a crazy twist we never expected.. like one of the gorosei that is undercover against imu
I'll give Garp some slack. I think he truly believes that the Marines are a force of good in the world. He has mostly known the atrocities of the World Government ever since he became vice-admiral decades ago as far back as God Valley. The most surprising thing really is how Garp himself has never left and became a pirate or a bounty hunter. We should remember many people joining the Marine are idealistic like Koby who believes in protecting the weak and defenseless. Garp was most probably the same way. However, unlike many of his contemporaries, he hasn't seem to have lost his ideals hence his decades long refusal to be promoted to Admiral. I think that's is why Garp was disappointed with Kuzan, he gave up
This comment gets it. Just to add to it, Kuzan was Garp's protege. Him being disappointed in Kuzan's decision really makes sense in this case. Do fact that Kuzan looked as if he was holding back against Garp further proves Kuzan's resolve isn't fully there yet.
When Kobe gets haki the doctor said its rare, which is what they know. Think of it like flight its only evolved a few times in our world but humans found out how which is like haki with the formal group not understand people have it already and just need to learn how to use it
They say in the manga Haki is developed naturally and can't be taught. Once you have it they can help you develop it but you have to have gained it first by yourself.
I think he got sour against WG after Sakazuki beat him to become Fleet Admiral, and joined Blackbeard because his crew was the strongest crew and he wants to beat WG.. Or he is a member of SWORD and is undercover there, same time acting as kinda like a bumper to BB's madness so he wouldn't go completely evil killing too much people... But even if he is now just completely gone to the dark side I know the fight against them will be awesome!
I must agree on what garp said tho, i mean to see kuzan joined blackbeard my reaction is same, i’m happy you see more of this world but bro you’ve lose your way. I’d rather see him join dragon and ivankov, or cross guild and hunting navy, than have to see him w blackbeard 😭😭
I have kinda low expectations for One Piece videos generally but this was great. One of the only people I've seen who actually take Aokiji joining Blackbeard seriously and not snapping to the kneejerk assumption of a 4d chess move as an undercover double agent. I've always maintained that he's massively more interesting if he really means it, his sense of morality has been so numbed by Marine copium, the lies he's told himself to continue upholding this idea of the marines as a just organization, that he can look past the evils of an organization like Blackbeard's if he sees a greater good in it. It goes to show how the Marines perversion of justice is even more damaging than it initially seems. However, I think you're kinda choosing not to see some nuance with Garp here for a similar reason- anyone who has been in the marines a long time, internalized their values, and stuck with them is by necessity not a distinctly moral person. They've had it sanded away by the cognitive dissonance of being a Marine, more and more the more power they get. Garp is one of my favorite examples of a character who is extremely morally checkered, and you're not 'missing something' for noticing that, it's good writing. He doesn't have to be a perfect hero, he's an abusive parent, he upholds the celestial dragons and their institutions of murder and slavery, he confronts all his problems with authoritative violence, including his personal ones, honestly I think the more we see of him the more I'm coming to the conclusion that he's basically a violent, authoritarian shitbag with some good in him. Honestly, I would fucking hate this guy in real life, he's a stubborn, violent cop. The fact that One Piece allows this level of muddiness with it's characters, where different people can view them totally differently, is one of my absolute favorite things about it.
0:59 I have a theory Its basically either haki is a thing that is new Relatively only 400 years old Or its A Hidden thing by the Wg There are no books vice admirals don't even know about it But 100 years ago its was found/leaked/rediscovered/shared And the wg had no way to combat these pirates who had became strong with their will (Armament and observation are apects of will conquers haki is Will itself) Cp9 the second strongest order the wg has did even know about haki Instead they trained their agents physically Because that's all they needed really 100 users of the 6 powers could take down a ton of countries But "haki alone conquers all"-kaido The wg needed a fighting force So the marines where created But under heavy restrictions only admirals will even know about or be trained with haki The fleet admiral answers to Kong A wg agent former fleet admiral So there is clearly a distinction between marines and wg Its been stated the marines and tge 3 admirals are the strongest forces the Wg has So there is no hidden force stronger than the admirals wich is why i believe The godsknights are not that strong Maybe 2 of them are close to admiral lvl But thats it Anyway the wg needed the marines to fight these haki users BUT did not want to help spread the knowledge of haki to control the masses If a marine enlisted spent 4 years learned haki learned how to fight tactics etc. leaves and teaches an island and makes a pirate crew with a hundred people that's a strong ass pirate crew not yonko lvl But admiral lvl for sure After all Lizaru has sentomaru lvl haki I think they wg "cleanses" People to keep conquers from being born So i estimated there are only 100,000,000 million people in the entire world of one piece To keep the number of conquers around 100 Boa stated its a 1 in a million chance of being born Like its a rare thing If the one piece world had 7 billion people there would be 7000 people that COULD have been born with conquers haki Image making a crew of 5,000 Conquers You would be pretty much unstoppable And this is what shanks and roger has done Roger had 4 conquers on His crew Shanks has 2 maybe even 3 But himself and Ben beckman are conquers Wb had 1 young one in ace Kaido had only yamato but she was an enemy (If you want to count doflamingo as part of kaido's crew than kaido had 1 weak conquer) So the wg limits haki knowledge and limits the world population Of course these 100 conquers could be baby's could be old people Or could be a random citizen living his/her life never knowing he/she had power that could potentially change their destiny And thats what the wg want Haki seems like its always been there but i think its knew and the marines are new The wg has never faced a foe like this (conquers) So they needed to make a fighting force And we know 800 years ago it was a modern times The op world is an apocalypse kinda of world And vegapunk told us this So i think haki is relatively new
Took a while but I saw your point. D. are propably the answers. So far only Law seem to not have.( Ace mother Rouge propably got it.Maybe not) And After Buggy gave a speech to Croc and Hawk I don't know if the Charisma that Teach has shown should count out as Haki. ( Then that opens the door for Foxy lol) Anyway Garling in GV was Def Admiral Level . Meaning he evolved to Yonko as he matured in Pirate Age. The thing with Godknights is that they are the bottom layer of secret group.CP9 and even CP0 are accountable to top dogs , so knowing about them might be a reason why Dragon is feared. He knows the vastness of their assets. I mean 3Admiral(+fleet) +5*=8 really tough guys. But having let's say 5-7 or even 9 based on the Shadows to a similar scale or 1rst Commander level at worse is different.There are too many.
@@ΓιωργοςΦραγκιαδακης-μ1ζ the problem is the godknights would be too strong If they were All first Commander lvl That reasoning of he aged since god valley makes him yonko lvl makes no sense. Because rayleigh must be beyond yonko lvl then and he should be stronger than roger 24 years ago Age has nothing to do with haki Its solely reliant on what you are doing who you are fighting Chinjao hadn't used haki in 30 years but it was the exact same lvl it was 30 years ago his physical strength and stamina might have declined but not his haki Haki doesn't decay or weaken with age only the illness roger and Wb had Chinjao showed us this Mihawk and Ryuma showed is this with their black blades the haki in their blades never goes away If garling has been sitting on his ass for the last forty years he has not improved shit "Haki grows in the heat of real battle"- rayleigh Personally none of them pose a threat to any yonko besides trashbeard And personally none of them are even Doflamingo lvl My scaling goes like this Yonko (Mihawk Shanks Kaido bigmom luffy) Psuedo yonko lvl (ben beckmann yamato) Yonko commander lvl (Yasopp roux katakuri smoothie king marco/ Cracker queen jack) Yonko lieutenant lvl (limejuice snake perospero ulti oven) From here down the percentage is 1%-5% Yonko officer lvl (bigmoms guard aka her kids) >2% Doflamingo lvl >1% Garp lvl >5% Admiral lvl aka trashbeard lvl aka garbage lvl And the Godkinghts cannot be stronger than Ladmiral lvl
Haki isn't something you CAN train, in my opinion. It comes straight from your will. You either have it or you don't. It's possible to train someone to control and wield it but it's not possible to help someone who doesn't have sufficient ambition or dreams to get it in the first place
I don't think "only weaklings lose their way" is disparaging Aokiji specifically because of leaving the Marines. Garp has had his own doubts within the system and despises the corruption backing it - he knows being a marine is no objective good. I think this is actually a way of reaching out to Aokiji. After all, that is a beloved student, he should know Kuzan well. Accurate or not, I believe this is Garp calling out Aokiji because he believes Aokiji doesn't know what to do with his life at the moment. Aokiji is lost, and while exploring and desperately searching for a way to work towards his goals he found himself aligned with an objectively evil force (Blackbeard.) I think his comment has layers, though only so much can be communicated in a fight. Without them getting to properly talk to each other it's not totally clear what the intention is. If we wanted to put it in the simplest way possible, I think Aokiji "losing his way" in Garp's eyes is not leaving the Marines, it's joining the Blackbeard crew
I mean, to counter youd point in the beginning, A) all vice admirals and aboveare required to know haki and weve seen captains like Smoker and Koby who know haki B) There are in fact two vice admirals who were contenders for the position of Admiral but Sakazuki requested Fujitora specifically (iirc)
Interesting, where was that shown cause I don't remember that in the manga, and also, is it stated that Vice admirals are required to know Haki? If not the cases for Smoker and Koby seem like exceptions since they're well connected with people who could teach them
It's really sad to me that Garp has to be this way, the man truly and whole-heartedly believes marines to be the right way, and tries his absolute best to show that. But ending up looking no better than someone like Kizaru, completely blinded and pridefull, being too scared to make a real change and acting up. I believe that atleast Old Garp already knows how much he fucked up and how far he's gone, but atleast decides to show that marines ARE cool too one last time, that no matter what, if you do what you think is right, and do it through and through, YOU CAN make a change. If not right now, then atleast for the future. just like Fisher TIger couldn't stop his hatred for humans, but knew he could change it for those without prejudice. Marines would be hated the moment the real history is revealed, but then someone like Garp, Koby and even T-Bone and many more that sticked with their way of good in order to help people, even if it meant serving under someone this corrupt, would be a beacon and a choice for everyone that yes. Being a marine is good, just like being a pirate is, anything can be good, and it is decided only by you and YOUR conviction. And while it is quite naive and flawed, i think it only makes sense for a member of the monkey family, one just wants to be the cool hero that shows what's right, another, in his disappointment, beliefs that the image of good and bad should be burned down and started a new, and another simply wants to reach his stupid and unrealistic dream. In the end it's their own way that they choose, that is what makes their choices and actions create change. And i completely believe that is what Garp was trying to say, Aokiji wasnt exactly wrong, but for all he knew, Aokiji was just too lost. He had the power to create change, but could not decide what change he wanted and found himself on a road of darkness alongside one of the most evil people in history. P.s. i love your videos, and i hope there's more analysis like that in the community, for as fun powerscaling shit is. it completely ruined the view many have on this series, and that is tragic for how in depth and truly real this funny pirate show is
I’m pretty sure garp was trash talking Kuzan because he saw kuzan was hesitating and was not really mentally in the battle so garp was trying to insult him to make him get angry and fight back (cause garp probably wants a good battle or doesn’t want kuzan to lose) but alas the trash talk didn’t really work
This is Oda setting up a battle between Sanji and Aokiji once Luffy faces Blackbeard. Oda purposely has focused a lot more on his Mentor Relationship with Garp and how he lost his ideals. Meanwhile, Sanji has stuck to his ideals that Zeff taught him all the way. Its going to be a battle of ideals and never give up on those ideals. Aokiji failed where Sanji succeeded.
Would be a fun fight, but the Ideals that Sanji stuck to were "feed those who are hungry and fight for your friends" while Aokiji's were "kill children" so
@@Impel6 you really think garp told Aokiji "kill children"? This is a man that lost his ideals a long time ago. Aokiji is basically Dragon, but his belief in Garp was so great that he decided to stick with the Marines. But slowly but surely he grew disolutioned about it. While Sanji is a man that will die for his ideals and Luffy has proven himself that he needs him to achieve his goal. Its mutual belief. And that is why Sanji is one of Luffy's Wings, while Aokiji failed. We see why Garp only has Bogard around him, Aokiji was the other Wing but this Wing never fully believed. The same kinda applies to Dragon and his 2 Wings, Ivankov and Kuma. Kuma was just too kind, he sacrificed his Wings for others, but this prevented Dragon from reaching his Goal. The Gorosei choosing Akainu over him was the boiling point, it made him give up. Aokiji was also a man that was deeply affected by Ohara just like Dragon, and it shows me his belief in Garp was the only reason he didn't quit the Marines. He realized the world is corrupt and he can't change it. But most importantly, he lost faith in Garp. This is going to be the main cause of conflict. Because Aokiji will clearly try to make Sanji give up. I mean even Post-Wano. He still has some doubts about his awakened powers. And i am sure after Egghead and seeing how easily Saturn rekt him. Will make him have doubts that he can match Zoro and allow Luffy to become Pirate King They entire opposites, even their abilities are opposite, one is Ice the other is Fire. which is why they will make an amazing fight. Just imagine the post battle. Aokiji laying defeated, while Sanji lights a cigarrette. "Hey Black Leg, do you think is too late to believe?" "I dunno man. But i believe Luffy will defeat your Captain and he will become Pirate King." "I wish i had that level of conviction...I'm sorry Garp-san" Considering the scenario will also likely be Laugh Tale, then its going to be powerful. A clash of ideologies.
wym "its garp, he doesm't play Shakespearean like that" his whole "i will fight my grandson seriously" during the summit war deserved a standing ovation
Considering Recent chapter proove the Ex-Marine theory on Dragon, I don't Doubt that Aokiji is Working with the Revolutionary Army to dismantle the marines. Aokiji would have joined Luffy's crew but Luffy's crew was absent for 2+ years, so he went with Blackbeard because Big Mom and Kaido were out of the Question. There was no act in putting down Garp and Aokiji wanted to do it himself since he may be able to pull a Saul again in the future. I think when Strawhats vs Blackbeard Pirates happen, Aokiji will fight the strawhats, but later side with them after he is defeated. I think Kuzan will become the Fleet Admiral of a newly Reformed marine with Coby, Smoker and Fujotora being the new Admirals in the end. I don't think Kizaru will be a part of the marines after egghead, not because he leaves but because the job was too much for him. Maybe the headline in Egghead is that a Former Admiral turn his head around a Goroseii, which let the Strawhats escape.
I feel like it's only a matter of time before garp leaves the marines I mean look at him in Marineford he's devastated by having too kill ace if kuzan really is allied with dragon it's only a matter of time before garp is too
Yeah idk about "double agent," I feel like the point of his arc is to learn to work independently. If anything, maybe he's *studying* Blackbeard-dude's fantastic at scooping up random opportunities, so maybe Kuzan's tryna learn how to do that. He'll probably betray the Blackbeard Pirates to whoever steps up, when the time comes
Retroactively speaking, the antagonist of the Baratire Arc Don Krieg really is just a forshadowed satire on the military might of the World Government. Like the guy has an entire battle fleet of pirates with some of the well equipped arsenal for combat, commands a cult like pressence over his large crew of loyal pirates and utilize a brute force approach when leading this crew. And yet the guy is like the BIGGEST loser in One Piece as his crew failed to cut it in the Grand Line, got completely decimated by Mihawk, nearly died of hunger when stranded out at sea, failed to commendere the Baraterie due to the intervention of a then no name pirate, and didn’t even get a major role in the awesome live action series and was merely used as a jobber to prop up Mihawk. Its kind of clear that Don Krieg was meant to be called forward with the problem of the Navy’s military campaign that favors the Quanity Over Quality approach, ignoring that a lot of their better officers are people who put in the work enhancing their physical and mental prowess in order to combat their foes
I somehow feel that Akainu and Kuzan are both in this together. Akainu must have seen how strong and dangerous Blackbeard was and how much more of a danger he could become during and after the Marineford war. In true Sakazuki style he may have devised a plan with Kuzan to infiltrate and bring down Blackbeard from inside, just as he tried doing it to Whitebeard by turning Squard against him. Also in the current unstable world Akainu very well knows that Luffy would jump at the first opportunity to fight Blackbeard! This would also mean that there would be an all out battle between the yonkos which would eventually reduce their influence and bring all their territories under the control of Navy. Just a speculation, I don't think Kuzan would join Blackbeard without any specific goals.
The conversation between garp and kuzan is perfect imo. It shows exactly how each of them thinks and how they are willing to put their life on the line for the belief even when facing the loved ones. For sure garp might have a deeper reason. But it might be as simple as his belief in authority and change from within. Because even the noblest of pirates won't actively bother about making the world a better place.
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Lol I mean garps loyalty is his whole character you can’t be mad about it now. He is the same as luffy no matter what happens he follows his dream, no matter how much it hurts. That’s why he didn’t stop Akainu from killing ace, it’s why he wanted luffy to be a marine, it’s why he wanted ace to be a marine, and I’m sure it’s why Dragon was a marine. His character is stubborn, stubbornness is the trait we see in all members of the monkey family and yeah sometimes it gets tiring, or makes us angry but I like that it doesn’t change, that’s who they are
I think Aokiji just wants to work with Blackbeard to defeat Akainu and then he will probably peace out. Plus he's mostly just killing pirates anyways, how that any different from what he was doing before? Now he can just choose not to for the most part if he wants and no one can really tell him otherwise. If he doesn't like Blackbeard he is in the perfect position to eventually betray him. I don't think he will, but still in a lot of ways Kuzan's postion on his crew makes a lot of sense, especially if he really is undecided at the moment. I think the only thing he has decided is that he is done with the Marines and the World Government.
I think aukji is going to betray the black beard pirates at a pivotal moment on a plot twist where it looks like the good guys will lose and idk what alliance that would be I think he’s working solo he sees what’s happening in the world and waiting for the right moment to move like he has his whole life
Might just be my interpretation, but only weakling lose their way had a different meaning to me. Thinking back to Ace, Garps indecisiveness made him useless during marineford. He didn't pick his family until the end when sengoku had to restrain him, and I think he's admonishing his own weakness of not picking a side until it was already too late. Just my theory though. Might be reading too much into it.
I feel like the reason maybe Joyboy lost initially os he wasnt able yo get people like Aiokiji or Smoker to defect from the world government where as luffy has half the marines ready to jump ahip and join him.
The absolute nerve of Sakazuki to say "all sacrifices would have been wasted" this guy nothing more than an insane mad dog that has come of his leash, his epithet (Akainu) suit him well.
Only revolutionaries have the same goals as Kuzan which is to take down Celestial Dragons. Dragon as a former marine also knows what Kuzan is going through.
@@Impel6 Oda said we'll get one more member, and it would be a former adversary. Aokiji is the only character I can think of who has directly antagonized the SH's, is goofy enough to join them, has a specialty as a boatswain since they all respect his wisdom and authority, and is a former marine which they don't have, yet. He's also a logia, which they lack. It would have been inappropriate a few arcs ago, but Luffy is an emperor now and he kicked Borsalino's ass. It is time!
Kuzan had always been a very nice guy and even though he could have wiped the straw hats quite a few times, he didn't. Very suspicious for him to join an outright sinister pirate group
I feel like garps line of “only weaklings lose their way” is what he’s told himself his whole life and is why he’s still a marine. It’s definitely his pride getting in the way but to me it’s at least an interesting look into his thought process
For sure, he's a really complex character, and I hope he can find a more nuanced view in the future, as he has when viewing his grandkids
Garp is on the whole a fake person, and not in a bad way. He is the hero of the marines and needs to uphold the standard for the rest of them at all times, projecting absolute justice and unwavering strength. Saying that line is what he needs to say, to inspire other marines and to show them that he will never stop fighting for their cause. But we know why Garp joined, to defend the defenseless, not to destroy every pirate because he can. He is much more soft and loving and against all tyranny (including his own organization’s) than he appears, and I think if he was ordered to take out a village/group of complete innocents to protect government secrets, he would abandon his post and take his personal brand of justice elsewhere.
alternatively, Aokiji is still transitioning from his old way to his new one, or rather he's still figuring out what exactly is his new way is
zoro always loses his way
good observation
Revolutionary Army might be the best situation for Aokiji, he could still be free and work behind the scenes, and while he would still have superiors, he would be fighting for a greater world.
I wouldve predicted that he would have joined the Rev but that's why I dont write the story
I wonder what it is about the rev army that prevents men like aokiji from believing in them
Or he changes sides in the middle of the strawhats fighting BB's crew, and saving robin or something
if he joined his only superior would be dragon and sabo,ivan
@@lemonwormyears of propaganda from the WG probably
This theory made me realize that Aokiji and Dragon has more in common when it comes to the marins. So Aokiji and Dragon working together would be ideal although im not too sure if Dragon hold any emotional ties to his father unless the altercation with Aokiji and Garb was premeditated. Great theory btw
Definitely interesting
True.Both are former marines, Both were likely trained by Garp, Both saw the evil of the world government and both trying to do something about it.
Then, Both have deep connections with Akainu.
It makes sense.
I've always been of the opinion that the Marines don't want to be handing out Haki training to just anyone. That's dangerous. If Haki was standard training for all Marines, you aren't making an unbeatable army, you're making a threat to your own organization.
Also that explains why Garp was training luffy, ace, koby, etc differently and not enlisting them in the marines directly…
Plus people forget that haki is incredibly uncommon outside the new world, to the point that even strong people dont know it
In fiction totalitarian fear itself.
In reality you got us army
No need to guile ppl who just want blood for muh patrior
If a madine falls out of line they’ll have to deal with aokiji or the Elder Stars. Don’t think it would be that big of a deal
12:53 you’re spot on with Garps words. It’s not just Kuzan he does this to he did it to his son&3 grandchildren because he genuinely believes the marines are the only way to change the world& it’s also why he has so much faith in Koby
“only weaklings lose their way” can be interpreted in many ways, but to me its like garp teaching not only coby back then but also kuzan, garp understood that kuzan conviction is lacking, the proof is he does not go all out against him from the get go, if you wanna be a villain be a villain through and through, if you wanna be a hero be a hero through and through, do not pick and choose base on your feelings when you want to save people or not. P/s garp spend the most with kuzan and he knows he is not the type of guy who would stoop low to blindly follow blackbeard, he understand he has some sort of bigger plan but to do that you have to commit as a blackbeard pirate.
garp losing to aokiji is making a bet on the "next generation" like shanks losing his arm for luffy
@@lunarluxe9832no lmao. If garp loses that means coby and the rest are done. If he has that thinking especially during the escape is DUMB.
Retake better nxt time
@@tygrenvoltaris4782you dont know what youre talking about do you friendo
Yup.
No, not conviction, but Kuzon has too much ethics to be a marine, as they are evil.
In defense of Garp Kuzan didn’t just leave the marines he joined one of if not the most sinister group of pirates Garp has seen what black beards about black beard is one of the biggest reasons he couldn’t keep his promise to roger to protect ace so while garp is loyal to the marines which can get annoying him saying kuzan lost his way from where garp is looking makes a lot of sense
Working under the celestial dragons being apart of a system you dont agree with under a man who has the justice system you sworn to never be like
Vs aokiji living life on his own terms and finally having a choice in his actions not working under people like the goresei or akainu and most of all freedom.
Garp saying all he said about kuzans piracy while being ignorant of the fact that he works for the most disturbing organization in the show shows his blind justice towards anyone who isnt a marine
Akainu is the same person who destroyed a ship with innocent civillians kids and women because he didnt want robin to get away
Now akainu is the one issuing orders to marines joining bb is a valid choice
@@rxyvon9381 I don’t see how him joining someone who’d do exactly what akainu did but 10x worse is a better solution akainu is at least fighting for his own form of justice black beard is just pure evil and selfish and his crew is even worse
@@TheTrueStrongest idk what scene you watched from blackbeard that was 10x worse then blowing up a refugee ship consisting of kids and innocent civillians, and killing young and weak marines for speaking but aokiji definitely sees a diffrence between blackbeards way of pirating and akainus absolute justice
@@rxyvon9381 well yea ur right but akainus thing was at least done under his weird sense of justice blackbeard would do the same thing but with a reason like he just felt like it
The sheer amount of connections in Kuzan's story is riveting in and of itself. Love this vid. Good stuff!
Kuzan's connection to the Monke family is kinda crazy. Garp was he sensei in a way, trained his as a near perfect marine. Luffy has shown him through various interactions that Pirates can be good people, and his own goals align almost perfectly with Dragons. I want more than anything for Kuzan to work for the RA, it just makes sense
Le monke?
The “only weaklings lose their way” comment is the perfect thing for Garp say to Kuzan. At this point, I think it would be fair to assume that they haven’t seen each other since Kuzan’s punk hazard fight. After that fight not only does Kuzan leave the marines, but only a short time later does he joins with one of the most despicable pirates of the current era. To everyone observing from afar, it would look like he completely abandoned his old morality and sense of right and wrong because he lost the fight. Of course us as the readers have better insight into the reasons why Kuzan has made the choices he’s made. Butt outside of the 10 titanic commanders and Blackbeard, no one else does. It would be a very reasonable assumption for Garp to conclude that his protégé has completely abandoned the person that he was and lost his way.
1:12 there actually *are* a couple of vice admirals who were considered for the two openings that eventually went to Fujitora and Ryokugyu. Their code-names are Momousagi and Chaton.
Enjoyed this immensely, I remember seeing him save Smoker from Doffy, and that was when he got interesting to me. Smoker is my favorite Marine by far, I feel like he will end up defecting. I think that the Marines are going to go into a split-- not sure exactly why it feels that way but it does.
garp is a complex character to see all his family and disciple going against what he wanted them to be.
I think Garp’s line is both probably what he tells himself to cope about kuzan but also because he joined Blackbeard,one of the epitome’s of how bad pirates are. If he joined like the straw hats or red haired pirates he maybe wouldn’t be so upset
I think Garp did treat Kuzan as his son (as Dragon left for Revolution business). This old man has been watching Kuzan grow up from a silly teens to one of the strong Admirals. How heartbroken the old man was to see Kuzan still unable to find his own way in this world (similar to young Robin, but Kuzan is in his middle age now).
We will see on Elbaf. Saul and Aokiji might have some interesting back story like Kuma and Bonnie being like Saul to Robin.
I've always picked up "good guy vibes" from Aokiji since he let Robin go. He's just lost. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually ends up being the final straw hat tbh
Hadn’t considered that but if the straw hats do pick up another member they don’t have a logia and it should be a well established and powerful character. Aokiji meets both of those requirements
@@kenm4390I think Smoker will be the final Straw Hat or at least assist them. Smoker makes the most sense as Aojiki’s opponent
@@Almighty_Magecould be Koby too due to the shared similarities as protégés of Garp and their connections with pirate crews who are rivals to one another, Blackbeard and Luffy.
Neither smoker, nor Aokiji will join, it makes sense for them to side with luffy but not join him. Same goes for Koby, to say other wise is a dis service to his character. We certainly will get 1 more straw hat because in the very first episode luffy said a crew of “10”, I believe this last person maybe from a place where vegapunk is or maybe vegapunk himself. But who knows.
I feel like admirals joining the strawhats seem a bit of a stretch, I could definitely see someone like fujitora join the grand fleet but that's really it
I would love to see a "What's up with Akainu?" video because it will be a good follow up as he is a crucial point to Aokiji's characterization and I'm just impressed about ur take on Kuzan's character.
Definitely a great Idea!
it is very nice to hear someone who actually thought about why akoji joined black beard. it was annoying how most people couldn't even comprehend it when the answer has been there from early on.
also yeah Garp being 100% in favor of marine support can be annoying. i like to imagine when he says Marine, he isn't including the World Government side of things (gorosei,celestial dragons,CIpher Poll ect)
since to be fair the majority of pirates are in fact evil. ad the marines do help deal with them.
Garp has succeeded in brining a lot of change from inside.
Always have love for Aokiji. As many ways you can go with it why he joined the blackbeard pirates, he's one of the best written manga characters of all time, both for his kindness, and the vast mystery that still surrounds him. I feel like he's using whatever vehicle he can to carry out his personal values as they grow with everything else that makes him up as a person. I'm excited to see the next episode of his story.
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Aokiji saying he couldnt use haki if he wanted to could be talking about how exhausting Garps training was that he had to punch the ship until he had no strength left
12:40 I think the point Garp was trying to make is that he join back and become a member of sword. My assumption is “altough you couldn’t achieve what you wanted in the marines, sword is the organization that will fight against the world government and create a better system” this is what I think garp was trying to say(without mentioning sword) but I could be wrong
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His “ICE AGE” lines are always so iconic.. original voice actor for him does so great at portraying him
Kuzans stamina is top tier cuz he rides his bike to get around places
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I hope he isn't a Marine double agent. If only because that feels a bit cliche. It makes sense that he would have turned on the world government, but the question is why go to Blackbeard instead of either the Revolutionary Army of the Straw Hats? My theory is that he wants Blackbeard to be pirate king because he knows that's the worst outcome for the government. I'm sure he believes in the strength of the Straw Hats enough to know that Luffy could make it all the way to Raftel. But imo he doesn't think Luffy has the ruthlessness to use the position of pirate king to cause havoc for the WG the way Blackbeard could.
Another reason could be because he is trying to protect Luffy from Blackbeard, kinda like how Itachi was protecting the hidden leaf from the Akatsuki for Garp's sake. The world government's aim is predictable and Garp being there gives a sense of relief. Blackbeard, on the other hand, is unpredictable and Luffy 's adversary. By joining the crew he knows exactly what is happening and where things are headed.
I think BB is trying to make a change in his own way, but aokiji in a different way, they just both want change but in opposing ways....idk
Dragon likely asked him to keep an eye on BB pirates.
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I have a feeling they don't want all marines to be proficient in haki because they don't want an overwhelmingly strong amount of soldiers in case they decide to revolt.
Dragon left the Marines because he saw no justice there. Maybe Kuzan realized the same thing. Maybe he'll end up a member of the revolutionary army. I can't see him being loyal to Blackbeard.
Your assessment of what Garp said is probably wrong. Garp doesnt comsider Kuzan weak. He saw that Kuzan was confused about his decision and that was Garp's way of saying that if Kuzan has made up his mind then he ought to sticl with that he thinks is right.
3:19 Seeing Akainu with the Hood-Drip kills it ... Why gave him "the Hood" so many Characters could rock it but nahhh
I think the idea of Shanks and Kuzan helping eachother is a cool theory although I do believe it makes more sense for Kuzan to be undercover/ relaying things to Dragon and the revolutionaries. Kuzan being apart of the marines and being a former admiral shows he obviously wants what is right but doesn’t believe in absolute justice like Sakazuki does, I felt it always made sense for him to be more attached with the revolutionaries then the marines especially after the incident at Ohara. I also think it’ll be a cool moment to see where Kuzan truly has his loyalty to since even when we saw him as an admiral, he seemed to act distant/different to what we’ve seen marines act prior (and even after) so him being apart of something more fitting to him will be awesome unless he truly is just by himself which I also think is interesting for his character. W video
"I couldn't use it even if I want to"
Wth, how did i miss that line
Exactly!
I mean from Garps perspective kuzan joined one of the most heinous people in the world and became a commander on that very same person's crew and Garap doesn't know why
1:11 There is one vice admiral on admiral level and he’s the only one who refuses that promotion.
12:05 I believe that's a major part of Garp's character. he has lived his entire life a certain way and now he's just a stubborn old man who is set in stone. Basically he's a boomer who believes in "My way or the highway". Its like Ace and Luffy he doesn't hate them or think they are wrong for their way of life which is why he doesn't literally stop them from living their life because he totally could. He just knows its safer to live under the thumb of the government. I mean look where Ace's life decisions got him. You might make the excuse Ace would've been killed regardless because of his heritage but I think he would've been able to slip through the cracks. I mean if we are being completely honest even being in the marines doesn't make you safe its just safer than not being a marine.
1:58 Ohara was only the leading island in archaeology, not all study and research.
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Garp never knew anything that was going on with Kuzan. And Kuzan was the one not being open about things in the first place.
Garp strikes me as a hard headed fool anyway. I'm talking the type of dude who's always going to stand with the government even if he knows that there's something wrong and fishy going on, all in the name of "never wavering." Even if he's standing on the wrong side of history.
Had aokiji actually shared his personal struggles about the government with him, he probably would've just told him to suck it up and fall back in line because the government might not be perfect but at least they're locking pirates up and fighting the good fight.
@@zelvanyan Ah, true. Garp was even working with Roger, and took care of his Son. And he just plays things off like he is oblivious to things.
12:27 I don't think that's what Garp meant. I think Garp meant whatever Aokigi's goal was before, it seems muddled and unclear now.
Aokigi doesn't know which way he wants to go, so he's searching.
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I wonder if the man marked by flames is Imu.. I feel like they would never go around on a ship but if they did it would be black and they would kill anyone who got close to them.. maybe joyboy marked imu with flames.. or is just saul.. but I hope it’s a new character or a crazy twist we never expected.. like one of the gorosei that is undercover against imu
There’s a theory that the blonde tall goresei is a traitor
I'll give Garp some slack. I think he truly believes that the Marines are a force of good in the world. He has mostly known the atrocities of the World Government ever since he became vice-admiral decades ago as far back as God Valley. The most surprising thing really is how Garp himself has never left and became a pirate or a bounty hunter. We should remember many people joining the Marine are idealistic like Koby who believes in protecting the weak and defenseless. Garp was most probably the same way. However, unlike many of his contemporaries, he hasn't seem to have lost his ideals hence his decades long refusal to be promoted to Admiral. I think that's is why Garp was disappointed with Kuzan, he gave up
This comment gets it. Just to add to it, Kuzan was Garp's protege. Him being disappointed in Kuzan's decision really makes sense in this case. Do fact that Kuzan looked as if he was holding back against Garp further proves Kuzan's resolve isn't fully there yet.
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When Kobe gets haki the doctor said its rare, which is what they know. Think of it like flight its only evolved a few times in our world but humans found out how which is like haki with the formal group not understand people have it already and just need to learn how to use it
They say in the manga Haki is developed naturally and can't be taught. Once you have it they can help you develop it but you have to have gained it first by yourself.
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I think he got sour against WG after Sakazuki beat him to become Fleet Admiral, and joined Blackbeard because his crew was the strongest crew and he wants to beat WG.. Or he is a member of SWORD and is undercover there, same time acting as kinda like a bumper to BB's madness so he wouldn't go completely evil killing too much people... But even if he is now just completely gone to the dark side I know the fight against them will be awesome!
Aokiji is just chill like that.....
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I must agree on what garp said tho, i mean to see kuzan joined blackbeard my reaction is same, i’m happy you see more of this world but bro you’ve lose your way. I’d rather see him join dragon and ivankov, or cross guild and hunting navy, than have to see him w blackbeard 😭😭
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I have kinda low expectations for One Piece videos generally but this was great. One of the only people I've seen who actually take Aokiji joining Blackbeard seriously and not snapping to the kneejerk assumption of a 4d chess move as an undercover double agent. I've always maintained that he's massively more interesting if he really means it, his sense of morality has been so numbed by Marine copium, the lies he's told himself to continue upholding this idea of the marines as a just organization, that he can look past the evils of an organization like Blackbeard's if he sees a greater good in it. It goes to show how the Marines perversion of justice is even more damaging than it initially seems.
However, I think you're kinda choosing not to see some nuance with Garp here for a similar reason- anyone who has been in the marines a long time, internalized their values, and stuck with them is by necessity not a distinctly moral person. They've had it sanded away by the cognitive dissonance of being a Marine, more and more the more power they get. Garp is one of my favorite examples of a character who is extremely morally checkered, and you're not 'missing something' for noticing that, it's good writing. He doesn't have to be a perfect hero, he's an abusive parent, he upholds the celestial dragons and their institutions of murder and slavery, he confronts all his problems with authoritative violence, including his personal ones, honestly I think the more we see of him the more I'm coming to the conclusion that he's basically a violent, authoritarian shitbag with some good in him. Honestly, I would fucking hate this guy in real life, he's a stubborn, violent cop. The fact that One Piece allows this level of muddiness with it's characters, where different people can view them totally differently, is one of my absolute favorite things about it.
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0:59
I have a theory
Its basically either haki is a thing that is new Relatively only 400 years old
Or its A Hidden thing by the Wg
There are no books
vice admirals don't even know about it
But 100 years ago its was found/leaked/rediscovered/shared
And the wg had no way to combat these pirates who had became strong with their will
(Armament and observation are apects of will conquers haki is Will itself)
Cp9 the second strongest order the wg has did even know about haki
Instead they trained their agents physically
Because that's all they needed really
100 users of the 6 powers could take down a ton of countries
But "haki alone conquers all"-kaido
The wg needed a fighting force
So the marines where created
But under heavy restrictions only admirals will even know about or be trained with haki
The fleet admiral answers to Kong
A wg agent former fleet admiral
So there is clearly a distinction between marines and wg
Its been stated the marines and tge 3 admirals are the strongest forces the Wg has
So there is no hidden force stronger than the admirals wich is why i believe The godsknights are not that strong
Maybe 2 of them are close to admiral lvl
But thats it
Anyway the wg needed the marines to fight these haki users BUT did not want to help spread the knowledge of haki to control the masses
If a marine enlisted spent 4 years learned haki learned how to fight tactics etc. leaves and teaches an island and makes a pirate crew with a hundred people that's a strong ass pirate crew not yonko lvl
But admiral lvl for sure
After all Lizaru has sentomaru lvl haki
I think they wg "cleanses"
People to keep conquers from being born
So i estimated there are only 100,000,000 million people in the entire world of one piece
To keep the number of conquers around 100
Boa stated its a 1 in a million chance of being born
Like its a rare thing
If the one piece world had 7 billion people there would be 7000 people that COULD have been born with conquers haki
Image making a crew of 5,000 Conquers
You would be pretty much unstoppable
And this is what shanks and roger has done
Roger had 4 conquers on His crew
Shanks has 2 maybe even 3
But himself and Ben beckman are conquers
Wb had 1 young one in ace
Kaido had only yamato but she was an enemy
(If you want to count doflamingo as part of kaido's crew than kaido had 1 weak conquer)
So the wg limits haki knowledge and limits the world population
Of course these 100 conquers could be baby's could be old people
Or could be a random citizen living his/her life never knowing he/she had power that could potentially change their destiny
And thats what the wg want
Haki seems like its always been there but i think its knew and the marines are new
The wg has never faced a foe like this (conquers)
So they needed to make a fighting force
And we know 800 years ago it was a modern times
The op world is an apocalypse kinda of world
And vegapunk told us this
So i think haki is relatively new
Took a while but I saw your point. D. are propably the answers. So far only Law seem to not have.( Ace mother Rouge propably got it.Maybe not) And After Buggy gave a speech to Croc and Hawk I don't know if the Charisma that Teach has shown should count out as Haki. ( Then that opens the door for Foxy lol) Anyway Garling in GV was Def Admiral Level . Meaning he evolved to Yonko as he matured in Pirate Age. The thing with Godknights is that they are the bottom layer of secret group.CP9 and even CP0 are accountable to top dogs , so knowing about them might be a reason why Dragon is feared. He knows the vastness of their assets. I mean 3Admiral(+fleet) +5*=8 really tough guys. But having let's say 5-7 or even 9 based on the Shadows to a similar scale or 1rst Commander level at worse is different.There are too many.
@@ΓιωργοςΦραγκιαδακης-μ1ζ the problem is the godknights would be too strong
If they were All first Commander lvl
That reasoning of
he aged since god valley makes him yonko lvl makes no sense.
Because rayleigh must be beyond yonko lvl then and he should be stronger than roger 24 years ago
Age has nothing to do with haki
Its solely reliant on what you are doing who you are fighting
Chinjao hadn't used haki in 30 years but it was the exact same lvl it was 30 years ago his physical strength and stamina might have declined but not his haki
Haki doesn't decay or weaken with age only the illness roger and Wb had
Chinjao showed us this
Mihawk and Ryuma showed is this with their black blades the haki in their blades never goes away
If garling has been sitting on his ass for the last forty years he has not improved shit
"Haki grows in the heat of real battle"- rayleigh
Personally none of them pose a threat to any yonko besides trashbeard
And personally none of them are even Doflamingo lvl
My scaling goes like this
Yonko (Mihawk Shanks Kaido bigmom luffy)
Psuedo yonko lvl (ben beckmann yamato)
Yonko commander lvl (Yasopp roux katakuri smoothie king marco/ Cracker queen jack)
Yonko lieutenant lvl (limejuice snake perospero ulti oven)
From here down the percentage is 1%-5%
Yonko officer lvl (bigmoms guard aka her kids)
>2%
Doflamingo lvl
>1%
Garp lvl
>5%
Admiral lvl aka trashbeard lvl aka garbage lvl
And the Godkinghts cannot be stronger than Ladmiral lvl
I think Garp wanted Kuzan in SWORD
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Found your video by chance
You are making good and reasonable points
Left an subscription am curious what you will do
i like the video but the black screens inbetween images got me questioning if my screens broken haha
Haha sorry about that, have improved that in new videos
Haki isn't something you CAN train, in my opinion. It comes straight from your will. You either have it or you don't. It's possible to train someone to control and wield it but it's not possible to help someone who doesn't have sufficient ambition or dreams to get it in the first place
After kuma flashback, i cant wait for kuzan's equally heartwrenching flashback
I don't think "only weaklings lose their way" is disparaging Aokiji specifically because of leaving the Marines. Garp has had his own doubts within the system and despises the corruption backing it - he knows being a marine is no objective good. I think this is actually a way of reaching out to Aokiji. After all, that is a beloved student, he should know Kuzan well. Accurate or not, I believe this is Garp calling out Aokiji because he believes Aokiji doesn't know what to do with his life at the moment. Aokiji is lost, and while exploring and desperately searching for a way to work towards his goals he found himself aligned with an objectively evil force (Blackbeard.)
I think his comment has layers, though only so much can be communicated in a fight. Without them getting to properly talk to each other it's not totally clear what the intention is. If we wanted to put it in the simplest way possible, I think Aokiji "losing his way" in Garp's eyes is not leaving the Marines, it's joining the Blackbeard crew
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I mean, to counter youd point in the beginning, A) all vice admirals and aboveare required to know haki and weve seen captains like Smoker and Koby who know haki B) There are in fact two vice admirals who were contenders for the position of Admiral but Sakazuki requested Fujitora specifically (iirc)
Interesting, where was that shown cause I don't remember that in the manga, and also, is it stated that Vice admirals are required to know Haki? If not the cases for Smoker and Koby seem like exceptions since they're well connected with people who could teach them
Great video you deserve 3x more views than your getting
It's really sad to me that Garp has to be this way, the man truly and whole-heartedly believes marines to be the right way, and tries his absolute best to show that. But ending up looking no better than someone like Kizaru, completely blinded and pridefull, being too scared to make a real change and acting up.
I believe that atleast Old Garp already knows how much he fucked up and how far he's gone, but atleast decides to show that marines ARE cool too one last time, that no matter what, if you do what you think is right, and do it through and through, YOU CAN make a change.
If not right now, then atleast for the future. just like Fisher TIger couldn't stop his hatred for humans, but knew he could change it for those without prejudice. Marines would be hated the moment the real history is revealed, but then someone like Garp, Koby and even T-Bone and many more that sticked with their way of good in order to help people, even if it meant serving under someone this corrupt, would be a beacon and a choice for everyone that yes. Being a marine is good, just like being a pirate is, anything can be good, and it is decided only by you and YOUR conviction. And while it is quite naive and flawed, i think it only makes sense for a member of the monkey family, one just wants to be the cool hero that shows what's right, another, in his disappointment, beliefs that the image of good and bad should be burned down and started a new, and another simply wants to reach his stupid and unrealistic dream. In the end it's their own way that they choose, that is what makes their choices and actions create change.
And i completely believe that is what Garp was trying to say, Aokiji wasnt exactly wrong, but for all he knew, Aokiji was just too lost. He had the power to create change, but could not decide what change he wanted and found himself on a road of darkness alongside one of the most evil people in history.
P.s. i love your videos, and i hope there's more analysis like that in the community, for as fun powerscaling shit is. it completely ruined the view many have on this series, and that is tragic for how in depth and truly real this funny pirate show is
I’m pretty sure garp was trash talking
Kuzan because he saw kuzan was hesitating and was not really mentally in the battle so garp was trying to insult him to make him get angry and fight back (cause garp probably wants a good battle or doesn’t want kuzan to lose) but alas the trash talk didn’t really work
This is Oda setting up a battle between Sanji and Aokiji once Luffy faces Blackbeard.
Oda purposely has focused a lot more on his Mentor Relationship with Garp and how he lost his ideals.
Meanwhile, Sanji has stuck to his ideals that Zeff taught him all the way.
Its going to be a battle of ideals and never give up on those ideals.
Aokiji failed where Sanji succeeded.
Would be a fun fight, but the Ideals that Sanji stuck to were "feed those who are hungry and fight for your friends" while Aokiji's were "kill children" so
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@@Impel6 you really think garp told Aokiji "kill children"? This is a man that lost his ideals a long time ago.
Aokiji is basically Dragon, but his belief in Garp was so great that he decided to stick with the Marines.
But slowly but surely he grew disolutioned about it.
While Sanji is a man that will die for his ideals and Luffy has proven himself that he needs him to achieve his goal. Its mutual belief. And that is why Sanji is one of Luffy's Wings, while Aokiji failed. We see why Garp only has Bogard around him, Aokiji was the other Wing but this Wing never fully believed.
The same kinda applies to Dragon and his 2 Wings, Ivankov and Kuma. Kuma was just too kind, he sacrificed his Wings for others, but this prevented Dragon from reaching his Goal.
The Gorosei choosing Akainu over him was the boiling point, it made him give up. Aokiji was also a man that was deeply affected by Ohara just like Dragon, and it shows me his belief in Garp was the only reason he didn't quit the Marines.
He realized the world is corrupt and he can't change it. But most importantly, he lost faith in Garp.
This is going to be the main cause of conflict.
Because Aokiji will clearly try to make Sanji give up. I mean even Post-Wano. He still has some doubts about his awakened powers. And i am sure after Egghead and seeing how easily Saturn rekt him. Will make him have doubts that he can match Zoro and allow Luffy to become Pirate King
They entire opposites, even their abilities are opposite, one is Ice the other is Fire. which is why they will make an amazing fight.
Just imagine the post battle. Aokiji laying defeated, while Sanji lights a cigarrette.
"Hey Black Leg, do you think is too late to believe?"
"I dunno man. But i believe Luffy will defeat your Captain and he will become Pirate King."
"I wish i had that level of conviction...I'm sorry Garp-san"
Considering the scenario will also likely be Laugh Tale, then its going to be powerful. A clash of ideologies.
“So let’s start by going back to the beginning. In chapter 1087…”
wym "its garp, he doesm't play Shakespearean like that" his whole "i will fight my grandson seriously" during the summit war deserved a standing ovation
The perfect video that I need
wait till luffy hears bout garps death. Aokiji will be dead in seconds
Considering Recent chapter proove the Ex-Marine theory on Dragon, I don't Doubt that Aokiji is Working with the Revolutionary Army to dismantle the marines. Aokiji would have joined Luffy's crew but Luffy's crew was absent for 2+ years, so he went with Blackbeard because Big Mom and Kaido were out of the Question. There was no act in putting down Garp and Aokiji wanted to do it himself since he may be able to pull a Saul again in the future. I think when Strawhats vs Blackbeard Pirates happen, Aokiji will fight the strawhats, but later side with them after he is defeated. I think Kuzan will become the Fleet Admiral of a newly Reformed marine with Coby, Smoker and Fujotora being the new Admirals in the end. I don't think Kizaru will be a part of the marines after egghead, not because he leaves but because the job was too much for him. Maybe the headline in Egghead is that a Former Admiral turn his head around a Goroseii, which let the Strawhats escape.
kuzan just might be sword and imma still hold on to that
I know he was shocked after hearing about sword
I feel like it's only a matter of time before garp leaves the marines I mean look at him in Marineford he's devastated by having too kill ace if kuzan really is allied with dragon it's only a matter of time before garp is too
Yeah idk about "double agent," I feel like the point of his arc is to learn to work independently. If anything, maybe he's *studying* Blackbeard-dude's fantastic at scooping up random opportunities, so maybe Kuzan's tryna learn how to do that. He'll probably betray the Blackbeard Pirates to whoever steps up, when the time comes
Retroactively speaking, the antagonist of the Baratire Arc Don Krieg really is just a forshadowed satire on the military might of the World Government.
Like the guy has an entire battle fleet of pirates with some of the well equipped arsenal for combat, commands a cult like pressence over his large crew of loyal pirates and utilize a brute force approach when leading this crew.
And yet the guy is like the BIGGEST loser in One Piece as his crew failed to cut it in the Grand Line, got completely decimated by Mihawk, nearly died of hunger when stranded out at sea, failed to commendere the Baraterie due to the intervention of a then no name pirate, and didn’t even get a major role in the awesome live action series and was merely used as a jobber to prop up Mihawk.
Its kind of clear that Don Krieg was meant to be called forward with the problem of the Navy’s military campaign that favors the Quanity Over Quality approach, ignoring that a lot of their better officers are people who put in the work enhancing their physical and mental prowess in order to combat their foes
I somehow feel that Akainu and Kuzan are both in this together. Akainu must have seen how strong and dangerous Blackbeard was and how much more of a danger he could become during and after the Marineford war. In true Sakazuki style he may have devised a plan with Kuzan to infiltrate and bring down Blackbeard from inside, just as he tried doing it to Whitebeard by turning Squard against him. Also in the current unstable world Akainu very well knows that Luffy would jump at the first opportunity to fight Blackbeard! This would also mean that there would be an all out battle between the yonkos which would eventually reduce their influence and bring all their territories under the control of Navy. Just a speculation, I don't think Kuzan would join Blackbeard without any specific goals.
The conversation between garp and kuzan is perfect imo. It shows exactly how each of them thinks and how they are willing to put their life on the line for the belief even when facing the loved ones. For sure garp might have a deeper reason. But it might be as simple as his belief in authority and change from within. Because even the noblest of pirates won't actively bother about making the world a better place.
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if he wanted to take down the celestial dragons, wouldn't it have made more sense siding with Dragon instead?
Dragon is also a former marine who went through the same experience.
Lol I mean garps loyalty is his whole character you can’t be mad about it now. He is the same as luffy no matter what happens he follows his dream, no matter how much it hurts. That’s why he didn’t stop Akainu from killing ace, it’s why he wanted luffy to be a marine, it’s why he wanted ace to be a marine, and I’m sure it’s why Dragon was a marine. His character is stubborn, stubbornness is the trait we see in all members of the monkey family and yeah sometimes it gets tiring, or makes us angry but I like that it doesn’t change, that’s who they are
I think Aokiji just wants to work with Blackbeard to defeat Akainu and then he will probably peace out. Plus he's mostly just killing pirates anyways, how that any different from what he was doing before? Now he can just choose not to for the most part if he wants and no one can really tell him otherwise. If he doesn't like Blackbeard he is in the perfect position to eventually betray him. I don't think he will, but still in a lot of ways Kuzan's postion on his crew makes a lot of sense, especially if he really is undecided at the moment. I think the only thing he has decided is that he is done with the Marines and the World Government.
I think aukji is going to betray the black beard pirates at a pivotal moment on a plot twist where it looks like the good guys will lose and idk what alliance that would be I think he’s working solo he sees what’s happening in the world and waiting for the right moment to move like he has his whole life
Might just be my interpretation, but only weakling lose their way had a different meaning to me. Thinking back to Ace, Garps indecisiveness made him useless during marineford. He didn't pick his family until the end when sengoku had to restrain him, and I think he's admonishing his own weakness of not picking a side until it was already too late. Just my theory though. Might be reading too much into it.
I feel like the reason maybe Joyboy lost initially os he wasnt able yo get people like Aiokiji or Smoker to defect from the world government where as luffy has half the marines ready to jump ahip and join him.
The absolute nerve of Sakazuki to say "all sacrifices would have been wasted" this guy nothing more than an insane mad dog that has come of his leash, his epithet (Akainu) suit him well.
Snape type stuff.
Has to gain trust.
If you can’t beat them…join them!!!
Only revolutionaries have the same goals as Kuzan which is to take down Celestial Dragons.
Dragon as a former marine also knows what Kuzan is going through.
I gave up on Garp in marine Ford then to make it worse he didn’t do nothing till Ace already died
Great vids
This video just convinces me that Aokiji is the 10th and final Straw Hat
Interesting lmao
@@Impel6 Oda said we'll get one more member, and it would be a former adversary. Aokiji is the only character I can think of who has directly antagonized the SH's, is goofy enough to join them, has a specialty as a boatswain since they all respect his wisdom and authority, and is a former marine which they don't have, yet. He's also a logia, which they lack.
It would have been inappropriate a few arcs ago, but Luffy is an emperor now and he kicked Borsalino's ass. It is time!
@@kris6038Smoker makes more sense than Aokiji
Well, have you heard of a character named Severous Snape?
Well, he just Dumbledore'd Garp.
Kuzan had always been a very nice guy and even though he could have wiped the straw hats quite a few times, he didn't. Very suspicious for him to join an outright sinister pirate group
He also saved Luffy from Akainu at Marineford but that has to do with his debt to Garp.
Great video
Garp goes ez on ppl he sees as children. Ex marineford luffy and kuzan