Did Palpatine Create the Empire to Fight the Yuuzhan Vong? Star Wars Legends Explained
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- Did Emperor Palpatine create the Galactic Empire in order to protect the Galaxy from the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion? We answer that question on today's Star Wars Legends lore video.
Digging deep into Star Wars legends, we're examine the Yuuzhan Vong invasion and the events leading up to it, including Sidious' manipulation of the Jedi and Republic before the Clone Wars, Thrawn, and the Outbound Flight, in order to determine whether Palpatine knew about the Yuuzhan Vong and was trying to build up a force against it.
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Of course the Emperor wanted to save the Galaxy...
Stop believing those rebel lies!
wait a second, if the republic became the empire, does that mean that the rebels were actually apart of the empire as well?
Long live the Empire
TheCommunistDragon Both sides!
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Palpatine did nothing Vong.
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Did Palpatine think the Vong were a threat: Yes He did. They were an extra galactic threat that nearly took over the star wars galaxy. He would have known this was a possibility when the empire was in charge, and would have taken steps to defeat them.
Did he create the Empire to protect against the Vong?: Not specifically. He created the Empire to gain ultimate power in the Galaxy and rule everything. Defeating the Vong would have been a secondary goal that happened to align with "keeping his power'. So, I guess technically you could say, but only in so far as it was created to give him near unlimited power.
Most sensible explanation for this topic! 👍🍻
@@mrconfusion87 agreed 👍🍺
he was already the deep state (puppet master of the republic)his master head of the banking syndicate ....he had all the power he wanted
Tbf, it doesn't sit right with me that Palpatine would create a ship like the ISD if all he wanted was to keep power, as the rebel strategy, taticus and fleet composition directly counter the ISD, and then to mass produce them to a point where it was in almost every fleet doesn't make sense considering how cunning Palpatine is made out to be, that is unless he believed that their was a genuine need for ship to ship weapon systems, and considering the unknown factors about the yuzhun Vong, would make a great deal of sense to have created the ISD, I also imagine that the tarken doctrine was a cover up to prevent the information on the yuzhun Vong going out, which might cause scepticism and general panic and also allows a justification for increasing the imperial fleet of ISD to counter the Vong.
Also would like to add, that Palpatine probably only started to prepare against the Vong after converting the empire, which means that it would generally align with securing his central power, as the Vong were the only real threat
Palpatine once told Vader "Would you have us rule over a galaxy of corpses?" Palpatine wanted to rule, not destroy everything, so he would have protected the galaxy. That doesn't make him a good guy though, it was always his plan to rule everyone with an iron fist.
Still, the Empire would have been more effective than the Republic, which was fragmented by constant infighting and political maneuvering by the various factions.
And? He brought order. Cry about it.
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Judging from the thumbnail i think palpy made the empire to fight bugs.
*Palpatine Voice* "There was a spider. It is gone, now."
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The Emperor was a great leader... but in his hubris he never really considered the Yuuzhan Vong a major threat. He had the right idea but lacked the clarity to... execute... those ideas in the proper fashion.
They said Kim Jong un was a great leader too.. don't believe anything they say...
Grand Admiral Thrawn your typing matches Thrawn's manorisms so profoundly lol.
Don't you think that the clone wars was a strange idea if he wanted to destroy the Yuuzhan Vong. Instead of creating an enemy in order to militarise the republic and allow him to destroy the republic why not provide evidence of the Yuuzhan Vong threat to the republic and use that as the reason to arm the republic. Arguably extra-galactic invaders are a better excuse to produce the clones than the separatists. He could have basically carried out his assentation to power as the emperor but by exchanging a war which weakened the galaxy for one with an actual enemy and there would be no reason why at the end of it he couldn't order 66 the jedi in the final days of the war.
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We can argue about a lot of things considering Palpatine. He was a sociopath, yes. But at the same time, he was a political visionary.
He wanted to create an empire. Something that the Jedi Order would never stand for and would oppose with all they had. And so, success in transforming Republic into an Empire required elimination of the Jedi. Thus, even if Palpatine was not a Sith, he would still have to destroy the Jedi Order if he wanted an Empire.
Besides, think of Jar Jar - I know about a Jar Jar the Sith Lord theory, and it's quite plausible, yet... yet on the outside he was an uncanny loser. What does it say about the Republic if a person with such a bad public opinion was allowed to speak with the authority of a senator? Republic "took care of their own" regardless of their competency or lack thereof, resulting in incompetent leaders keeping their seat even if they should have been replaced with someone more competent.
Republic was a flawed system that was basically a puppet for Jedi theocracy. Being a Jedi master guaranteed a high hierarchical position within the Republic (General Kenobi?). Moreover, Republic was a highly centralized power, which was bad for ruling the Galaxy - it forwarded the interests of core worlds at the expense of outer sectors, which eventually led to a separatist movement.
Moreover, if we consider non-canon to be valid, blasters were thousands of years old technology. We did not see actual technological advancements which points at Republic being in millenias long stagnation in development. Perhaps it was the Jedi order that wanted it so. Perhaps in technological development they saw a risk of eventual invention of weapons that they would not be able to defend themselves against using force and lightsabers, and thus weapons that would take away all their appearance of invincibility and, through that, their entire political power.
Now let's see - The Galactic Empire went closer to the people with regional governors having direct authority over matters of their region, which reduced bureaucracy and the time it took for important decisions to be made. Incompetent leaders, both political and military were removed from their position of power, effective immediately ("You have failed me for the last time"). Technological development moved on (the creation of Death Star and its revolutionary super laser). And most of all, nobody was beyond law, unlike Jedi in the Republic (even Darth Vader had to respect the military chain of command - remember that situation when he choked a high ranking fleet officer and were ordered by that officer's superior to stop? "As you wish" - he had no authority over that officer and stood down when reminded of that). Sure, not everyone was happy, but I am quite convinced an average imperial citizen was happier that an average republic citizen.
Saying Palpatine created the Empire to fight the Yuuzhan Vong is like saying Dr. Halsey created the Spartan program to fight the Covenant.
The Office of Naval Intelligence created the Spartans for dealing with insurectionest's and to quell rebellions on entire planets, the covenant were just a convenient excuse to make them public.
and the good doctor was just an ONI fall guy, she sadly took the fall when public outcry began once it was revealed how spartan 2s and 3s were made. Even though she was just following orders, she still was forced to take the fall because ONI didn't want the backlash tied to them.
and there is a good quote from one of the vong leaders, i dont remember the book l or the exact quote, but basically he said the vong had been watching the galaxy for awhile and had been waiting for the perfect moment to attack, had the empire won against the rebels they would have not attacked, and gone around the galaxy to find another one.
Tomoko Kuroki im confused, did she ?
Sheldon Simon no she did not, she was hired by ONI to create the spartans to fight rebel movements on colonized planets.
Sheldon Simon it was pure coincident and luck that the spartans were good at fighting the covenant. The reason they hired her was because she was one of the only living humans who had an ai created from her mind. She was the leading scientist in multiple fields, and one of the smartest people in the galaxy.
Wolvessong Heathin Umm... Haley didn't create the Spartan 3's
I think that Palpatine very much saw the Vong as a threat to the galaxy. However, his primary motivation for creating the empire was to have the Sith rule the galaxy again. The Vong, were an opportunity that he could have used to justify his actions and possibly stop most rebellion. But he was an idiot and told very few people about them. I liked the analysis, keep up the good work.
Imagine crazy conspirationists in the Star Wars universe, talking nonsense about an alien invasion and doomsday
In legends, I believe Palpatine created the empire so he could rule the galaxy how every he wanted and so he could protect his new galaxy. I also believe the rapid militarization of the empire was partly to prepare for the vong, and to maintain his control. What would be the point of conquering the entire galaxy just to let it fall to a powerful foe he knew was coming.
He didn't want to protect the galaxy, just his own rule and his own power.
Ironinquisitor which he can't have if there was no galaxy. He can do both.
That not what I'm trying to say. He didn't care about the people of the galaxy. He just cared about his own rule and power. the Vong were a threat TO HIM.
Are you?
When I read Destiny's Wave, this set of quotes stuck out at me:
"I can't help but wonder how the old Empire would have handled the crisis," Dorja continued. "I hope you will forgive my partisan attitude, but it seems to me that the Emperor would have mobilized his entire armament at the first threat, and dealt with the Yuuzhan Vong in an efficient and expeditious manner, through the use of overwhelming force. Certainly better than Borsk Fey'lya's policy-if I understood it correctly as a policy-of negotiating with the invaders at the same time as he was fighting them, sending signals of weakness to a ruthless enemy who used negotiation only as a cover for further conquests."
"That's not what the Empire would have done, Commander," Han said. "What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."
Ty Golden it’s a good quote but Galen Marek wouldn’t be there to make that kind of exhaust port
Unless Thrawn was in charge of said station. You know Thrawn would make sure that any weakness would either be corrected or extremely well protected.
*Destiny's Way?
JTR
Thrawn would have immediatly cancel the project and use the funding for new Imperial class upgrades and TIE defenders
RaPtorteAm
True, but I am speaking hypothetically. In the end, Tagge and Thrawn were right about the Death Star.
What people often forget is that the Sith were not evil for evil's sake. They wanted order, like the Jedi, but instead of a peaceful way, they chose to enforce it, and galactic peace worths ANY price, they do ANYTHING in order to impose order.
The fact that he enjoyed being a dick is just a happy coincidence for him, but that's ok, he IS THE SENATE!:P
Agreed, mate, they are both dogmatic, both lost their original intentions, Jedi became a government agency when they should serve the common good, no matter the sides, the Sith want order, but they just end up causing more. The Sith mocked the Republic for being weak and corrupt when in fact they were the biggest cause of said weakness and corruption, if they truly want order, they could have just strengthened the Republic, and killed off the corrupt elements, there would be order. I could go on, they are both paradoxical, and they don't know it. Also I think the dark side does not corrupt, obsessions do, and as we know, obsession is mania, they don't go insane because of the dark side, they use the dark side because they are insane, it just comes naturally to them, their bodies get twisted since they use their power irrespocibly, and therefor improperly. If the force is the life energy and the will of the universe, it's neither good nor evil, it does what it does, and doesn't give a fuck about morality. Mostly constructive, but it's not benevolent, and it destroys without hesitation when it is needed, and these blind morons are just its tools, if both orders understood the force correctly, they'd be psychologically ordinary, not emotionless, not bastards, not saints, just people, and they both be in the same damn order.
And this is why ones like Luke, Kyle Katarn, Corran Horn, and other later on, who have experienced or even mastered both the "Light" *AND* "Dark" Side of the Force actually end up becoming much stronger as a result - having a much greater understanding and responsibility. Even if one tries to separate "Light" and "Dark", it's still *ALL* the Force. As said, it's how one uses the Force that gets one labeled one or the other, but they easily overlook the fact that one can still use Jedi teachings or abilities to kill others or use Sith teachings or abilities to protect others. There are no ironclad "rules" about anything.
It's also why one can easily look at the Jedi and Sith as similar to religious cults in real life. I mean, saying Luke was too old to start training seemed understandable as he was in his twenties, but seeing Anakin at *NINE* also being called "too old", as well as seeing Yoda's class being so much younger, talking in sync with each other and such...yeah...pretty clear that the Jedi want them so young because they're easier to control and mold into how they want them to be whereas someone even as young as Anakin, besides having already formed attachments and such, would be at that age already where he would be doing something that religions, cults, etc. absolutely fear and hate (lol) - ask logical questions that they can't answer, at least not in any sort of satisfying way.
You even see this early in Episode II, when Anakin asks Obi-Wan, "Why?", and you see that look of shock and disbelief on Obi-Wan's face. Or the times Anakin seeks advice, he never truly gets answers, but fancy wordplay that essentially translates into repeating the usual teachings, like when he talks to Yoda about his dreams and Yoda pretty much just telling him the usual, "Let go", lines.
/facepalm
No...
The Sith actually WERE evil just for the hell of it. If you look at the rulers.
Torturing slaves who has done nothing wrong, because they like to see others pain and fear. Yeah that's evil for the sake of evil. Full stop. Name a Sith ruler who wasn't a sadistic swine... Darth Vader was probably the least evil of all really powerful Sith Lords...
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No. Admirals like thrawn thought the Empire serves a greater good, while Palpatine used it to satisfy his deluded Desire for Power.
DEMIAN Zarnoski I agree. He didn’t care about the well beings of the people he ruled just to ensure his own power survived.
Absolutely. Palpatine learning of them just gave him an excuse to convince people like Thrawn to serve evil.
Palpatine was definitely out to save the galaxy.
After all, one can't rule and oppress a galaxy that's been conquered/destroyed by someone else.
@@Sierlea Thrawn was smart enough to catch on to what was going on. He was loyal to Palpatine to a fault, and afaik he knew about the Sith and the Emperor's own status as a Sith Lord. He wasn't bamboozled by Palpatine's rhetoric aimed for the masses, he was a firm believer in Palpatine's vision for the galaxy
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I reckon it was the reason he built the death star, since it was about the worst weapon possible for fighting the rebel alliance. But I do not believe it was the reason he turned the republic into a tyrannical militarized dictatorship. That was just because he was a sadistic power hungry madman.
The Brennan the Death Star wasn't a weapon designed to destroy Rebel fleets, it was designed to strike terror in the hearts of planetary populations so they would never think of rebelling. If the Rebels captured any planet or any planet revolted then the Death Star could come alone and destroy it. That was why Tarkin used Alderann as a target so that every person in the galaxy would see it and be afraid. When Leia told him that the Rebel base was on Dantoine he replied it was "to remote for a weapons test".
There are two ways to have power over someone. The first is to convince them it will benefit them with peace, prosperity and laws, the other is to threaten them with pain and death. The first is used by democracies, the other by dictators and rapists.
Max Power But it makes sense why the Empire bothered building another as the galaxy knew a Death Star could be destroyed, lessening the death stars fear factor.
Honestly. The Vong are extremely infectious against planets. It was so bad that they were still trying to clear the damage by the time Cade Skywalker was active. And that was like a whole century after the war.
Having a planet busting superweapon would be an amazing invention for stopping the spread of the Yuuzhan Vong. Makes perfect sense to me.
timedragon1 yep. Pretty much
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And let's not forget that they had more than the Death Star II. They had two Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyers and four Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyers that, while not capable of outright blowing up entire planets like the Death Star I / II, could still have easily blown away the Vong World Ships with their super lasers, as well as things like the Galaxy Gun (which Luke even wished they had kept around to use against the Vong), and the ever-OP Sun Crusher.
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EckhartsLadder It's important to note that the Vong were not affected by the Force, as the New Jedi Order discovers, making the Jedi Order useless against them.
Yes to both, but it wasnt his interest to protect "the galaxy" but "his galaxy". Nobody who would want to protect a galaxy against an invasion would opt to turn one civil war he engineered into another he inspired in that pursuit. Exhausting the resources and morale of the galaxy doesnt seem like the smartest method of fighting an invasion not does placing yourself in the bullseye of the rebellion and Jedi remnants put you in a position to safely prepare for an invasion.
Brainiac X death is a preferable alternative than communism
the empire would win
Mic Clank: No, teamwork is the answer, just like the New Republic and the Empire joined forces to defeat the Yhuzaan Vong. 😉
Teamwork is co-operation of several smaller powers to achieve greater goal. Same can be done with single great power.
The empire lost against a bunch of rebels, and you expect them to defeat the Vong?
Francisco Garcia The Empire would not team up with the Rebels and later the New Republic if they won against them.
Oo f They couldn't handle a rebelion so the vong would stomp.
Did Palpatine create the Empire to combat the Vong? No
Did the Imperator Class (Imperial Class) Star Destroyer come about due to the Vong threat? Yes. In some of the first ever cross section books that dealt with the original trilogy the Imperial Class Star Destroyer was designed to put down rebellions and even protect the galaxy from threats outside the galaxy lurking.
All hail the empire
Sam dale All hail the empire!
he was likely just protecting his interests.
If he wanted to protect against the Vong, why wouldn't he tell people about it? Real life empires absolutely love implacable external enemies. If everyone in the galaxy was deathly afraid of Vong invasion, it would drastically undercut the Rebellion.
The whole plot makes everyone involved look dumber.
Because people would eventually start figuring that the Vong are a lie without the proof, and it'd work out counterproductive in the long run, both in preparedness and public order.
@@CrazynToughKiwi The astounding number of people that still fears "communism" to this day shows that this is not the case, and that Palpatine could very well keep fear mongering the Empire until the Vong actually attacked.
Every year that the Vong don’t invade it looks more like a lie to justify their authoritarian policies
It’s a super fan-ficky idea rooted in people’s misperception that Sith are just emo/goth edgelords. The Sith are evil pure and simple. Their intentions are always sadistically self-serving. Bane wiped most of them out for being too weak to do the terrible things they had to do to enact their vision. If you want moral greyness in Star Wars it’s not hard to find but the Sith are not where to go
If say it’s both. Created an empire to establish his power within his own galaxy, and to protect his power from invaders from foreign galaxies. Palpatine wanted power above all else, and the creation of the empire was the most effective way to do that against all possible issues. Best way to fight insurrectionists, best way to inspire fear and compliance, best way to defend against foreign threats.
Ever since I first read Outbound Flight I never truly thought Palpatine created the Empire and built up its massive Navy for the betterment of the Galaxy against the Vong tbh. And the Empire that he created was as you said Eck "Rotton to the core." So if it really was for the betterment of the Galaxy then why did he create such a Tyrannical and corrupt one? For the second question I don't think that Palpatine saw the Vong as a threat, for as perfectly shown in ROTJ he can get a little cocky and overconfident at times. So he probably thought that if they were to come he would just as he put it "Wipe them out, all of them." But anyway that's just my two cents, loved this video Eck and can't wait for the next one!!! :)
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Palpatine is bad. I mean the cheif source of the darksides power is fear anger hatred greed. He cared nothing of the galaxy, only himself.
Daniel Tedrow yeah, meaning if he & the empire beat the vongs, the empire will still be an oppresive, tyrannical, sexist & racist regime. if only palpatine was not the empror, but others who better such as the fel from legacy era, than i'm fine with it
Never said he loved the people Daniel ;P
@calvin
Racist? no it was xenophobic, sexist? no. The GE was never a sexist group, just xenophobic.
I guess when you have a bunch of super weapons in development that are easily capable of wiping out planets or even entire solar systems, it can make one overconfident. (Death Star II, two Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyers, four Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyers, the Galaxy Gun, the Sun Crusher, etc.)
Even Luke lamented not having the Galaxy Gun around to use against the Vong World Ships.
I think he formed the Empire for himself and the Sith but in doing so he know there was a great power coming. So he also wanted to make ready for a war with the Yuuzan Vong but it all was to hold on to his own power not for the Galaxy as a whole.
For the Jedi being the greatest assets against the Vong would be very difficult to say. The Jedi could really not do anything to the Vong warriors period. Their force powers could not do anything to the Vong, unless you have force lightning. (Which only Mace Windu and the Sith could do). Also, lightsabers could not even hurt the Vong due their armor and weapons being immune to lightsaber blows and blaster fire. So yeah them being magical, kung fu, ninja gods could not save them from the Vong entirely and would probably been used as expensive ampistaff fodder, (Proven in legends during the Vong War). Hence it is better to have a large fleet, infantry and tanks to fight against a force that relies heavily on a warrior caste system. Mainly because it is faster and productive in war to have a ton of semi trained solders than a society that produces good quality warriors which takes an even longer time. If you look at the Empire units in legends, they happen to be very effective against Vong units. Mainly looking on the ground units because their fleet can easily counter the Vong.
Examples:
Dark Troopers, could engage in melee while the storm troopers are shooting at both of them (Vong and Dark Trooper Mark 1) without repercussions. I mean droids after all and the Vong hate them.
Dark Adepts, Sith Assassins, and Legends Inquisitors: Could learn destructive force powers that can affect the Vong (Probably not Force Lightning as that could threaten Palpatine himself). It is stuff that cannot be used by Jedi as they are too much on the good side of the force.
Dialogue on the AT-AT level in the game, Empire at War, when Palpatine comments at the end of the level. Saying that there will still be a need even after the Death Star's construction.
501st: Now clones in general were explained in Battlefront II (the good one!!!!!!) as to why they were not used except for this Legion, but if the Vong invaded and Palpatine needed better quality soldiers, he could produce more of them but in a smaller amount making elite units. (Not exactly Super Sith but still better than the Storm Troopers who keep on missing).
I'd like to address a few points here, although I agree with some of what you said.
Yes, the Jedi can't sense Vong intents or push em around with the Force, but remember they were still extremely capable with heightened endurance, reactions, senses, strength and so on. They were still proficient at parrying thud/razor bugs and going lightsaber vs. ampistaff with a Vong warrior, usually getting the better of 1v1s and such, even to the point where Luke and the Solo twins fought a bunch of Slayers (elite shaped warriors) and defeated them despite being outnumbered. Vong armour was very good, but was not immune to blasters and particularly not against lightsabers.
Secondly, as the war dragged on, the Jedi started getting better at the Jedi meld, which not only helped themselves fight as a unit, but also increased the proficiency of allied forces. This was of particular help at space battles, such as at Obroa-skai and Ebaq Nine, both of which were decisive victories for the New Republic.
Also, the Vong hated the Jedi, something that was abused from time to time, and thus the Jedi could be considered useful for that reason alone.
I do agree that Imperial assets would have done well against the Vong, particularly ships like the Imperial-II class Star Destroyer, which had a large number of turbolasers - the more shots going out at enemy ships, the worse dovin basals perform.
I disagree with the point about the warrior caste. Warrior caste units that take long times to produce arent actually necessarily less numerous than regular soldiers for a given population amount and dont actually take longer. Either way you take just as long for them to grow up, the difference is just that you're training the warrior caste the entire time while your only training the soldier some of that time. The star wars galaxy had an overwhelming numerical advantage just because theres alot more humans than vong, not because warrior caste systems "take too long" or because their soldiers are "faster and more productive".
I believe he thought they were a threat. The galaxy in its Republic form, was too weak from all that Jedi vs Sith stuff, and in a disarray. The known galaxy would have been easy prey indeed.
By having outbound flight destroyed, he bought himself some time to set his plans for galactic domination into play.
I believe his plans of power was two fold: fulfull his desire to be an all powerful being and have the whole galaxy (most of it) under his control and do what he wants, while also habibg an extremely powerful military, so he can be rrady for the Vong.
When you think about it, the Death Star was indeed a terror weapon, Palpatine liked Tarkin's Doctrine of Fear mostly likely because it would on paper, since it could theoretically keep people being too afraid to challenge him, so he was the only world order.
If the Doctrine amd plan worked, I bet he would have indeed had time to make the other super weapons amd be best prepared for the Vong.
It was even said in "legends", that the New Republic wished they hadn't destroyed the Galaxy gun for example, becausw it would have made destroying the vong sooooo much easier.
I promise you that without the Vong, his Empire would have still looked the exact same, both in size and in military power. It was always about his power. Being able to beat the Vong was, at best, a nice perk. The Empire had been the Sith plan for centuries.
Although there is no doubt that Palpatine was evil and manipulative, he performed many actions that protected and even maintained peace in the galaxy. My view of this is kind of a critical theory in the sense that Palpatine was misunderstood in his actions even if he did perform some atrocities.
I'm no good with lore and just started learning it, only going off what I've seen from the movies but I believe that good old palp carried on the clone wars for as long as possible to stay in power over the Jedi and if they invaded there Galaxy the Jedi, clones and CIS would be the ones to deal with them, therefore killing off the weak Jedi after and taking over the Galaxy, but since he got found out for been a Sith Lord he had to improvise and execute order 66 and destroy the CIS leaders to take the hold of the whole galaxy into his own hands and making it a dictatorship for plan B, since plan A didn't go to plan
Palpatine definitely recognized the Yuuzhan Vong as a threat but not one that was significant. It's like studying for a hard test, regardless of how hard it is if you prepare for it, it isn't actually hard. The same for the Vong.
Palpatine would've made the Empire regardless of the Vong threat, however here is the difference I'd argue. Due to the threat of the Vong, Palpatine over compensated the militarization of the Empire in preparation. Prior to the Empire he was a competent and well liked civil servant, otherwise the galaxy as a whole wouldn't have gone for the "I'm Emperor now". In fact for that to work he must've been damn amazing and loved to unite thousands of governments into an empire. This suggests that despite being a megalomaniac he could understand what is necessary to rule efficiently. I'd say the military power of the empire was far greater than necessary to maintain sufficient force projection throughout the galaxy.
Efficient would've been solely force projection and response for a largely unchallenged empire. Instead the Empire was ready to go toe to toe against literally most other series universes as shown in your other videos, and this was prior to the rebellion gaining steam. Now if you were to see any government just start pumping out warships and militarizing for no apparent reason and you were able to say "wtf are you doing, stop", you would. Hence why it was necessary to force control over his empire past what was effective. Limiting freedoms, speech, press and anything else. I'm not saying he lost sleep over this, just that it was necessary for development of a military force with no perceived threat otherwise he could've asserted his influence without limiting those freedoms resulting in both his dominant empire and a stable culture preventing rebellion, which is Palpatine would recognize as detrimental to his rule, not necessarily threatening though. There is no way he could've justified militarization, so make it so no one can question it instead. Saying, aliens are invading our galaxy would've been pretty damn short trip to, "we just voted a nut into emperor lets take that back", or "our leader is insane, I can rule better than him."
By no means is Palpatine good or looking out for the galaxy for the good of it, but that isn't necessarily a required trait either. If the Vong were not a threat or known Palpatine would've gone through other methods of asserting his dominance than large scale war machines that would've been more effective for controlling a varied and widespread galactic community and productive for the Empire as a whole. He may have still eventually minimized non-human influence and reduced individual freedoms but in a less dramatic style that wouldn't have drawn significant attention over decades or centuries since Palpatine may have been able to far outlive a normal life span.
I'd say it could be argued his pro-human agenda and limiting freedom in fact could be solely due to keeping traction on the militarization. Scapegoating, requiring cheap labor, stopping dissent, and producing a culture that would support a militarized system for a prolonged war effort. I don't know if Palpatine would've known exactly when the Vong would've arrived either. Maybe he thought they could show up in overwhelming force next weekend or maybe he knew the exact moment they would've arrived.
And yeah, killing the Jedi off was a bonus for him. Necessary too as the order was just as racist to sith as the sith are to them. How cool of a story would've it been if Palp tried to stand as emperor with the Jedi still around and they hadn't tried to arrest him on the bs charge of being a different religion? Sith and Jedi in the same government eyeing each other across the street on a peaceful Coruscant.
The empire always went after the biggest threat to them that they couldn't control through fear or money. The rebel alliance is an example of this. The Yu Zang Von would have jeopardized everything that palpatine built. So I believe that Palpatine made the empire massive, to counter the YZV.
He desired power and Yuuzhan Vong were a threat to that.
1. I believe palpating is truly evil and he wanted to rule too rule and of course kill the Jedi, so no I think it wasn't his chief concern.
2. I do believe once he consolidated most of the galaxy he did see that as the only true threat to his rule (except Vader), so he began to prepare.
3. This explains why he tried to build the Death Star again even though he knew it wouldn't work.
4. He had an entire plan for the full Imperial fleet before the battle of yavin that never happen because of the rebels that would consist of the 1st Death Star, 24 super star destroyers and 15,000 Imperial 2 class star destroyers.
5. Palpatine was a planner so I think since he knew of the threat and wanted to live forever so I think any future threat was on his mind.
Personally, I thought that even though everything he did was to actually prepare for the Vong invasion, I don’t believe his reasons were more selfless than selfish. Before the new canon, I thought that the #1 reason(s) that such super weapons were designed & built was to actually combat the Vong, but if such a threat didn’t exist, the Legends’ super weapons wouldn’t have been built.
They were built mainly as a means to realise the Tarkin doctryne, the rule of fear. The Vong were a secondary concern, tehy weren't as powerfullas thw GE's military. Otherwise the movies wouldn't have happened, they'd strike decades earlier.
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Yes, Palpatine knew of the Vong invasion. I even think he knew that the force would be useless against them. The Chiss success against them in battle is why Thrawn was held in high regard.
It’s too bad, besides Thrawn, Mara Jade, & the Yuzon Vong War are my favs that I would’ve loved to see on the big screen. I do think that the Vong war if made into a movie would have to be R rated.
He probably built the Empire to protect himself from the Vong. Large disposable armies are useful for that.
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What a handy excuse. Literally any action the emperor took is now justified... I wonder what role this might have played in the motivations of Darth Vader though?
Well great, now the empire is justified
Of course yes, but more out of self-preservation.
This is 1 of the reasons why I like Legends more than Disney Canon.
There is something out in the Unknown Regions that scares even the Ascendancy according to Thrawn. They will probably explore it more after the Skywalker Saga ends.
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Still it won't be the same as Legends was sadly.
It never will be the same but it does have the potential to be a great set of movies. But I don't want them to be a total retread of the Legends story.
Legends is amazing and original unlike the rehash Disney Canon.
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Agreed
“It is admittedly unclear how Palpatine gained knowledge of the Yuzhaan Vong”
“The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural”
Maybe Palpatine did want to protect the galaxy.
But to get praise for being the ultimate good guy, and get some free kills for his enjoyment.
And he might have wanted this because, power comes from the people, and if the people like you, you have power.
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Palpatine just wanted power for powers sake... but with SOME knowledge of an outside threat, I believe his motives for the Death Star 1 and Death Star 1.5 were to prevent and wipe the Vong off the map along with any spoils that they may have taken
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I think that Palpatine created the empire in a sort of middle way between the two
Yea he probably saw them as a threat, but did not create them empire he never cared for anyone once in his life so why start when the vong invade
Palpatine, Dooku, Thrawn, and Tarkin are the best characters in the whole series.
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Palpatine was a despot and a demagogue
Besides, iirc, the Jedi had a lot of trouble fighting the Vong because of their disconnect with the Force, so I'm guessing they could have posed a threat to Palpy too
If anything, Palpy was trying to save his own ass.
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Honestly this is one of the main reasons why I have never liked the Vong. They are just these ridiculously overpowered one dimensional bad guys that only serve as retconned excuse to legitimate all the horrible crimes of the Empire.
Outside of the stories that directly involved them, you can easily tell that this was not the intention for the Star Wars EU(at least in the early years).
"One dimensional?" their culture is actually quite fascinating as it is scary. I don't think Palpatine wanted to protect the galaxy from the Vong. He wanted to protect himself and his own power from the Vong. He didn't care about the well being of the galaxy, only his own ego and power.
Not enough of a Star Wars fan to know of these works first hand, but I think the answer to both questions is demonstrated by the fact that at no point (at least prior do achieving total control) did he show his power to see such things and noise about the coming invasion. He kept both his connection to the Force and the Vong threat quite only known by an inner circle. Such a threat would (I'd think) be a much more powerful force to consolidate power and build up the military than trying to play puppet master and orchestrate a pointless civil war.
Had Palpatine seen the Yuuzhan Vong as a serious threat they would have been much more known among the fleet commanders and created an additional sense of urgency to wrap up the rebellion, possibly to the point of it not mattering who won so long as it was won soon so preparations could be more properly made.
If it was a major factor in forming the Empire not only would I expect him to make it known, but the war droid factories would have been left intact and the Jedi Order would have been extracted from political power, but looped in on the knowledge and left functioning as a quasi-military force (perhaps as a frontline force so that Palpatine could have them wiped out while playing them up as martyrs to further win public support).
As an imperial sympathizer I already knew that he didn't do it solely to protect the galaxy and it's people. He did it to protect his "property." It just so happened that palpatine wanting to protect his power works out for the betterment of the Empire as a whole. It's a mutual relationship. The people give up the power to Palpatine and in exchange the people are protected. To answer your last question I think Palpatine knew that the Vong would be a huge threat if not dealt with. The empire's quick and brutal methods would make sure the Vong never got too big
The thing is the external threat that urged people to give up their liberties was not the Vong, it was the Separatists. And by the time that threat was done for, it was already too late.
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Of course he thought they were a threat, why do you think Thrawn was a Grand Admiral, he needed someone who knew what they were capable of and where they would strike from
No....for both questions....the sith are people who only want power......I'm sure he was aware of the yuuzhong vong, but he knew he could handle it when the time came
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Yes he thought it was a threat. No not his main motive. But I do believe his timing may have been motivated by the threat of the vong or at least played into his calculations. Palpatine was a figurative master chess player operating on multiple levels with every decision and while being overconfident never did anything without it helping his cause in more than one way. Before the clone wars the republic would have easily been overrun and the Sith would be unable to take over the galaxy from there. So not necessarily even to protect the galaxy for the galaxy but rather to preserve the galaxy so the Sith could rule.
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Yes the PROBLEM with this theory he had THRAWN and evidence is easy to obtain and could be a reason for the empire to help prepare for the vong.
The Babylon 5 universe vs ether something from the Star war universe or the HALO universe I would love to see some Babylon 5 love once.
I'd agree that Palpatine may have known (in Legends) about the Yuuzhan Vong, but truly protecting the galaxy from them was likely not on his mind.
Especially if one considers the matter of technological progression. If he knew of the Vong and knew when they were coming, you'd want to calculate how long it would take to harness the materials needed and make that expansion in the military shortly before the Vong arrive so that they run into something that is technologically superior than them and can essentially gun them down. However, the Empire began mobilizing and expanding shortly after the Clone Wars ended...
And while one could say, "but he knew the Vong were coming" they'd need to keep in mind the TIMING of the Vong invasion in relation the establishment of the Empire. The Yuuzhan Vong invaded some 20+ years after the Battle of Yavin, which took place roughly 18 years after the events in Revenge of the Sith. If the Empire was militarizing for the Vong just after the Clone Wars, but the time the Vong invade, much of the equipment is going to be more than 30 years old and will be obsolete. Particularly if other technologies jump greatly in the intervening time. This would then mean that when the Vong invade they wouldn't run into a technologically advanced Empire, but one that was in the midst of updating their tech and fleet, in much the same way the New Republic was in Legends...
And while weapons like the Death Star I could be dangerous... that DOESN'T mean the Yuuzhan Vong are incapable of hitting that thermal exhaust port...
Palpatine's actions were more on enhancing his own power and nothing more...
And while he may have known of the Vong, there is then the question of how could Palpatine sense the Yuuzhan Vong when they do not exist in the Force and thus CANNOT be sensed? And while he makes mention that Vergere knew of them... the Fosh Jedi also seemed to act in their support of the Yuuzhan Vong during the invasion... In this there is the potential that the reason Palpatine knew of them was that through his own shadowy agents and through Vergere, was actually GUIDING them to the Republic/Empire and setting up the war, just he would with the Clone Wars...
And that assumes that Palpatine truly DID know of them and it wasn't some disgruntled Imperial whining later after the Empire's tyranny got it defeated... and thus made stuff up to try and vindicate him.
"He desired power, and did everything he could to gain it and not lose it", but in the end, of course, he did
Well, we know Plapatine tends to underestimate his opponents and he did so especialy with non-human species as he was of the opinion they were lower beings. So I don't think he saw a big thread in the Vong.
Question: Why not just tell people, raise the clone army, and fortify key planets? Why go through the massive, decade-spanning plot to take over the galaxy, divide the galaxy in the process, and waste countless lives and resources?
Lego Doctor probably because the Senate would take forever to get anything done just like real life. Also he's a sith he wanted power and wasn't expecting rebellion at first.
What I mean is, if he created the clone army, paired them with the Jedi, and brought the droid armies of the corporations on board, they would easily repel any invaders and Palpatine would unite the galaxy without ripping it apart first; unlike causing a massive war, tearing the galaxy apart, and then slaughtering the Jedi.
@Lego Doctor: It wouldn't have worked, the Senate was incapable of fighting an effective war. The old order had to be swept away for a new order to replace it. I don't doubt Palpy felt himself entitled to power for the simple reason he was capable of taking it. But he did clearly seem to consider the Vong something to prepare for and deal with. Even the New Republic wasn't able to deal with the threat, collapsing under the infighting and political strain. Only the new government that rose up afterwards was strong enough to unify the remaining strength of the galaxy and counter attack an overextended and war weary Vong. Likewise the Jedi of the Republic era would have been poorly prepared to deal with the invasion. Used as shock troops early on against the Separatists, this would have met with disaster against the Vong who were separate from the Force. Luke's Jedi met a similar problem, but they were more use to operating in a commando style in small and decentralized groups. Helping keep a decent number alive to adapt new tactics. Still through the war their losses were extremely high. If the Republic had tried an opening like Genosis against the Vong they would have lost nearly every Jedi they sent to the planet.
“Defeat the Vong” was another checkbox on his lengthy list of “potential threats to my absolute authority,” rather than a two-for-one “save and become its ruler as a bonus” type deal.
They should make a battlefront 3 and make the Yhuzahn Vong a playable race allow death stars and Vong World living bases as playable ships and have a galactic real-time galactic epic battlemap of the entire star wars galaxy.
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Palpatine much like a tiger that kills a lion...both want to kill the deer but the tiger wants to succeed.
Well I can't speak from a 100% understanding of the false emperor's intentions. However in Warhammer 40K the subjugation of systems, the wiping out of entire species or organizations and stripping of individual rights in order to streamline the military and it's reaction time to any given threat WAS necessary to respond to the numerous threats posed to humanity. The Emperor though did regret this having to be the case, however I doubt Palpatine felt any such guilt as he delighted in the suffering of others.
Palpatine did see the Vong as a threat because as we know the Death Star was made to blow up their giant organic ships at least the 2nd one was I’m not to sure about the first and creating the empire to protect against the Vong wasent his Chief reason but I sure it was close behind his lust for power.
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Supreme highground Snoke
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Revans Sith Empire vs Galactic Empire
if we were talking revan with the star forge and not malak betrayal , revan would of been able to not only dominate the galaxy but also dominate the sith emperor at the time . but even with all of that it would of mattered not against the might of the empire with vader and the deathstar . luke was the chosen one to bring balance to the force , so with keeping that in mind , revans power was no match for sidiouses empire .
Here's a couple of Verses suggestions for you to do.
*1. Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship (Star Wars)*
*2. D'deridex class Romulan Warbird (Star Trek) vs Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Star Wars)*
Justifying Palpatine's evil is pretty pointless.
Palpatine only wanted to protect his own power, he didn't care about the galaxy.
If he didn't care about the galaxy why bother conquering it?
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I doubt it I think he only created The Empire to full fill his Sith need to rule.
Palpatine "defending" the galaxy is the most fucked up trash idea that ever came out of legends. And if for this alone I'm more than happy that Disney disconnected all of this from main canon.
Palpatine dindt care about the galaxy. He wasn't trying to protect the galaxy, only his own power. he probably saw the Vong as a threat to his rule.
He is sith he was protecting himself
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I feel like it was a goal of palpatine to prepare for the invasion as well as his other goals
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Why haven't the movies done this, yet, damn it? A story of the Vong invasion becoming a thing would've kicked the crap out of the unfocused/rehashed story we got in the sequels. We could've gotten something new instead of the same 3 stories told again
Absolutely.
Me and my boys fighting the Yuuzhan Vong:
Me, a former Imperial(then a Senator): The Empire would have easily beat the Yuuzhan Vong! Grand Admiral Thrawn had a plan and everything, before you fucking killed him!
My friend and fellow commander, a former Rebel: That’s a nice argument, Senator. Why don’t you back it up with a source?
Me: My source is that I made it the fuck up!
3 years late to the discussion, however:
Palpatine was dual purposing here. He wanted the power, he did take the vong seriously, but he probably saw them as the final cement to his power. By defeating them he becomes the beloved dictator. Problem was, they parked it outside and waited for him to overextend his hand with no external threat visible.
I'd like to think the Death Star was built for the purpose of preparing for the Vong invasion at least. Given the sheer amount of time between the formation of the Empire and the eventual invasion, he'd have been able to build more than just two of them had he not been killed. He'd probably have been able to put out a few more, and that'd likely help against the Vong, as well a way to control the population in the meantime.
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If only he didn't use the Death Star to destroy a planet or he was benevolent enough then he would've rallied the whole Galaxy fo fight the Yuuzhan Vong
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Question 1.) I believe Palpatine saw every unkown group or people as a threat. Thus, if the Yuuzhan Vong did express forms of aggression, it would be in his best interest to eliminate it. An example of this is when he eliminated the Jedi Order; he had plans to do it already, but was forced to execute Order 66 due to the fact that the Jedi Council, or more specifically Anakin Skywalker had revealed his position as a lord of the Sith.
Question 2.) I believe the creation of the Galactic Empire was to assume more power over the galaxy, not specifically to protect it from the Yuuzhan Vong. Although excessively few knew about the outside force, Palpatine was the only one who could really initiate, and more importantly suggest a preparation for a plausible invasion. With this in mind, it is possible, but not guaranteed.
I hate it when people say this-its a fundamental misunderstanding of Palpatine's character and motivations. He wasn't interested in saving the galaxy-he was interested in ruling the universe(not just the GFFA) forever. And basically sucking every living being's soul into himself. The Vong to Palpatine were just another obstacle to that goal, another enemy to crush. Palpatine isn't some pragmatist, or hard man doing what was necessary.
So this just made me think, in star wars empire at war (great strategy game btw) they had a DLC called forces of corruption where a group of criminals form a militarized group strong enough to battle rebel and imperial fleets. And this video made me think, why wasn't the DLC the yuuzhan vong? that would've been pretty sweet.
To answer your questions, The Empire was something that has been planned for generations. The Line of Bane had always wanted to retake their rightful place in the galaxy but they had to secure resources and defeat the Jedi once and for all because the Jedi were the only people who stood a chance against them. When Palpatine succeeded and built the empire, he used Thrawn's knowledge and expertise to create the Empire of the Hand, an interstellar nation designed to gather resources and prepare for the incoming invasion.
I think that if Palpatine built the Empire specifically for the purpose of the Far Outsiders invasion he wouldn't have been such a dictator and maintained the principles of the Republic. He would not have tried to suppress the population and enforce human supremacists dogma.
The only good qualities of the Empire were just added bonuses that I'm certain Palpatine was aware of. This includes a powerful military with super weapons, order and prosperity despite the tyranny, and powerful authority figures who got things done in a timely fashion. Examples include Palpatine himself, Datth Vader, Thrawn, Tarkin, etc.
I reckon that Palps was definitely motivated by a desire for power above all else and likely would have turned the Republic into the Empire anyway, but I do think that the death star and the designs of the Empire's warships may have been to defend against the Yuuzhan Vong. The Imperial navy was arguably far more suited to combating the Yuuzhan Vong's technologies than any localised threat like the Rebellion.
It does say in Palpatine’s inaugural address that he had intended for the Empire to “stand for a thousand years.” Thus, as he had the foresight to see the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, it would have to be at least a partial motivation. Secondarily, I do believe that the Vong were at least a moderate secondary agenda. As for making an incredibly sadistic and tyrannical regime, that is just politics; the more power you have, the more you can do. After all, if there was an alien invasion that nobody in America knew about but the President, we would consider him completely insane for promising military expansion over something that the general populace had no idea was a thing. Just my opinion, love your channel Eckharts Ladder.
I believe that Palpatine's original intention was to take power to satisfy his ambition. However, I agree that there is evidence that he knew of their invasion well ahead of time, but only after greatly increasing his ability to use the Force and see into the future. I do not believe Lucas had them in mind originally when he was writing the Death Star into the story. The Star Wars universe was not meant to be THAT wide at that point in time.
However, it is perfectly reasonable to believe that once Palpatine already decided to become the ruler of the galaxy, he happened to forsee the invasion and ultimately it could be considered a contributing factor (IN HINDSIGHT) in his desire to build a Death Star. Even his most intelligent military commander, Thrawn, explained to Sidious very well that Star Destroyers with generous contingents of fighters should be more than enough for the Empire's needs in terms of firepower, while also providing tactical and strategic flexibility.
Basically, the coming invasion was not Palpatine's original concern, but once it came to his attention he did take steps to prepare for it.