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Hey I'm not trying to tell you how do your videos you do a great job but it would help me understand how you pick your winners if you would break it down like you do with your starship vs For example you can break it up bye species, Technology , leadership, and readiness
Well I can imagine Thrawn getting a small fleet an basically romping around inside Vong-controlled space while the rest of the Empire is fighting a completely exhausting war of attrition. Think something like Colonel Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck in World War One.
Rodrigo Amorim That was an unexpected ambush from his apprentice. It's how pretty much all Master dark Jedi die after Darth Bane created the rule of two. Just look at how Palpatine killed his Master. Infinite power doesn't matter if you get bushwhacked.
bigmekboy175 but I mean that if he had enough telecinetic power to destroy numerous ships he would have no problem stoping himself from falling. So I think this is just another case of overpowered star Wars legends.
Rodrigo Amorim Jedi and Sith in the lore can't levitate themselves very well. Even Mace Windu was presumed dead after Palpatine launched him out a window. It doesn't make much sense, but it is well established. Even if they can't use their telekinetic powers on themselves for some weird reason why can't they use it on their clothing? The sole exception to surviving a long fall is Darth Maul which I still think was more fan service than following the lore.
Robert M. Dunn it doesn't need to be realistic but every type of storytelling needs logic or what would be the point? A universe with no set rules isn't captivating because then authors can get away with any kind of nonsensical craziness.
Palpatine could not force fly, he could levitate what he was standing on though. Force flight for whatever reason just wasnt feasible to anybody. Apparently Lucas didn't want Star Wars to be like a japanese manga or DC Comic.
to be fair the way lore about the vong was written it seemed like they literally made the death stars for that reason the whole terror thing was just a bonus
The Eclipses could have one-shotted worldships. Sovereigns might have been able to as well, but if not the worldships would have been critically damaged. The Death Star II on its lowest setting, which would probably have allowed it to fire faster, would have most likely popped a worldship like a soap bubble.
KommissarKek I mean, several times in the eu characters have said that the whole goal of the Empire, besides eliminating Jedi and giving Palpatine power, was to safeguard against the vong and their eventual invasion. Being the emperor is pretty meaningless with nothing to rule lol
It's a single line thrown in a Zahn book called "Outbound Flight." And Zahn always loved writing the New Republic/ Jedi as idiots. The problem is, no one could defeat the Vong. Only the Jedi could beat them with superior piloting. The Vong were immune to the force, had already infiltrated the galaxy for years. Star Wars technology was vastly inferior. The Jedi won the war through peace.
The Vong were not Immune to the dark side powers Dark Troopers were specifically made to counter the vong warriors, World Devastators to devour their World Ships Darth Maul killed one with his bare hands The Jedi and Rebels got Trillions of people killed
Christus Regnet I think Zahn always did an alright job in showing how a government cobbled together from leftovers and actual terrorists would function in the vacuum after the removal of the Empire. Not to say that the empire was great or anything, but they didn't have to deal with things in as fractious a manner as the new republic, cause who is going to argue with the man who shoots lightning or his murder machine servant? Keep in mind that the "peace" they won the war with was forced upon the vong. The vong would have never stopped till their zealot mindset was satisfied that all the tech abominations had been destroyed. The jedi are superior pilots, it's true. But the only reason fighter level and guerilla tactics were required was because the Republic couldn't get its shit together in time to organize the kind of fleet that is needed to fight a Vong force. By the time they did, they had lost a ton of resources, and most of their victories came with heavy losses, both amongst the jedi and navy. In contrast, an imperial response would have been overwhelming from the outset, sending every available resource to crush any challenge to the rule of the Empire. Also of note is that the empire, while not possessing probably even a tenth of the force users the alliance had access to, would have had the emperors hands, and various other force sensitive servants of Palpatine. And unlike the jedi, who several times had to take second seat to various commanders and admirals during engagements, these servants would likely have lead the battles they took part in, using their more sinister abilities for maximum effect in crushing the extra galactic invaders. All in all an imperial response would have saved billions of lives, not to even speak of the invasion of coruscant and the numberless amount who died during it. Yeah, the empire are evil, and retroactively adding a reason for that is kinda lame, but it's still supported, and in the what-if scenario it is quite clear the empire would have had the tools to decisively destroy the majority of the vong with comparative ease.
Enigmaris My favorite Zahn book is Visions of the Future. He didn't write any of the Yuuzhan Vong novels, and when he wrote his first prequel era novel(outbound flight), he depicted the Jedi as beyond incompetent, blathering idiots, and of course glorified Thrawn and Palpatine as usual. I don't know if the Empire could have won, but it's silly to make Palpatine's goal a noble one, that he was simply working for the greater good. The Sith are selfish, and Palpatine himself is responsible for the deaths of billions. How many billions died in the Clone Wars, a completely fabricated conflict? How many died on Alderaan? His overthrow was legitimate. Ekkhart quotes the imperial officer chick precisely, and then misquotes Han, who knows first hand, and has a point. "That’s not what the Empire would have done, Commander. What the Empire would have done was build a supercolossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn’t have worked. They’d forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that’s what the Empire would have done.”
In legends the Grand Admiral of the Imperial Remnants Gilad Pellaeon has this exact debate with Moff Flennic; Flennic tells Pellaeon that if the Empire was still in power during the Vong war they would have sent the Yuuzhan Vong back from where they had came from impaled on their own amphistaffs - to which Pellaeon replies "really Kurlen we weren't able to handle a handful of Rebel, so how would we have handled the full might of the Yuuzhan Vong". In conclusion the Empire would have been in the same position as the New Republic against the Vong; the Remnants lost at least 3 planets to the Vong including their capital at the time Bastion & the planet of Muunilinst.
Blake Swanson If they couldn't defeat the Rebels how would they have defeated the Yuuzhan Vong? Remember everything the Empire did, chief among them aliens were treated appallingly by the Empire - many were slaves under imperial rule & the ones who weren't slaves had their careers trapped underneath imperial transparisteel.
I think this is actually a big part of the reason why Disney threw out the Old Canon entirely: The Empire would easily have beaten the Vong, it's obvious if you've read even a few of the books. By destroying the old order and doing his best to build up the galaxy's defenses, all this means that in the end, Palpatine was actually the good guy.
I read the book. The new republic were useless. Infact they were helping the enemy hunt down the jedi. The remnants of the Empire were one of the few factions holding their own against the yuuzon vong.
Only becaus e they stayed isolated until 3 years into the war, and even then the Vong nearly conquered them. Only with help from the Jedi did they repel the invaders.
Indeed. The imperial remnant avoided war while the Republic took the blunt of the invasion. You're also forgetting that even though the Republic lost a series of battles the Vong still suffered heavy losses as well. Which allowed the Galatic Alliance to eventually counter attack.
I think you're remembering incorrectly. The Vong originally planned to invade fully expecting the Empire to be in power. They expected the Empire to be a tough opponent but they full expected to win.
@@Jacaerys1 you happen to know where this was mentioned? It has been a while since I've read this so I could be rusty. But I must admit I do not remember that off the top of my head
@@littlekuribohimposte does not fully make sense to me. They destabilize the Imperial Remnant because it is good strategy. They did the same thing to the new Republic as well. Had nothing to do with being unable to fight either of them military wise, it was completely due to good sound tactics. It confuses me why people always think the vong are not capable tacticians. When during the course of the war that they used a wide variety of tactics and weapons. In many ways superior to the Empire
Not trying to show my EU ignorance too much since I'm just delving in but where was it revealed he knew about them? I know the video said Palaptine knew of them in Outbound Flight but was it stated he knew before or was there a novel detailing how he knew?
You understand that the reason the Vong came to the Star Wars galaxy is because they killed theirs? If the Empire is destroying every fucking planet the Vong steps foot on... And the Vong will be doing the same! It ends the same way the Vong's home galaxy did... a dead sea of stars. You're also forgetting that the rebels still exist, and once the Empire's suppression fleets left to fight the Vong, they'd immediately secede. The Empire would be thrown into chaos WHILE fighting the Vong.
@@TheSuperRatt they obviously wouldn’t have to destroy every planet they landed on besides for this video it was the empire vs them no rebels involved. If the rebels were still there one could only hope they would have the necessary survival instincts to keep there heads down.
Vong: *Behold our Worldships!* Empire: *Sends in the World Devastators* Empire: "What Worldships? Oh, and enjoy the swarms of Star Destroyers and Droid starfighters they have created!" Vong: *WTF!?*
I like the thought of bringing the Yuuzhan Vong into the new saga films...whether in the past (prequel) or the future (sequel). It would bring something truly new to the movies and create a threat within that galaxy so powerful that the Jedi and Sith would have to join forces (though temporary) to eliminate it. This would open up the possibility for the viewers to learn new things about the Sith, through the lense of anit-heroes. Not to mention, countless other fresh and new things for the fandom to witness. This could be so epic...that Shakespearean level stories could be told within this scenario. There's your next trilogy
I mean if they did, we would have higher stakes than the OT and prequels combined. The Yuuhzan Vong War in legends led to the deaths of 300 trillion living beings and left thousands of planets inhospitable. The only thing stopping SW from doing this and creating something truly unique and never seen before IS... Disney. The mouse wont agree to it. Disney would never give SW the opportunity to even try something like that
There's a fan theory that says Palpatine had a vision or dream about the vong invasion and created the empire and the death star as a way to fight the gong if they ever actually invaded the galaxy.
Neighborhood Watch In Canon Thrawn warned about far outsiders he didn't mention that they are the Yuuhzan Vong just that they are called far outsiders and that they were much more powerful and evil than the Empire was at the time
The Yuuzhan Vong were vulnerable to one force power that the Jedi would not try to use because of its allure to the dark side, force Lightning, and if Palpatine isn’t dead, he could defeat the Yuuzhan Vong by himself with his force storm attack, if anyone remembers that from legends...
50k3r2 he didn’t like to use that ability, he felt a pull towards the dark side every time he used it, which is why he rarely uses it... but like I said, Palpatine was a master of using force lightning, and was a Lord of the Sith, if not “The” Lord of the Sith...
The overall level of force powers vary wildly in the early years of the Legends EU, and trying to claim any specific power from the early stuff is like grabbing one of the silver age Superman powers, technically legit, but also kinda missing the point.
His dealings with the trade federations blockade of Naboo and refusal to relinquish control after the defeat of the CIS as well as his use of a DarkArmored Jedi despite the Council's apparent betrayal of the Empire. There's also the egregious waste of resources on, not one but two planet destroying space stations and accompanying fleets that fell to miniscule forces of a weak insurgency. That stuff.
Philip Zeplin Alderaan was a peaceful planet whose rich culture contributed to the Republic and the Empire. So much so that Palpatine himself was surprised by Grand Moff Tarkin's choice. The Emperor did sanction the destruction of a planet a a a test and message but no one expected Alderaan. After it's destruction many Imperials abandoned their posts to join the insurgents. All displaced natives of Alderaan (off planet and out system at the time) were housed as refugees in the wake of their home world's destruction. They were sympathized with by their housing systems and were only punished when all out riots began. And their punishment was not death for treason because the galaxy understood their rising anger. Instead, they were policed and arrested. Alderaan was so important to the galaxy that it's loss prompted many high profile figures to immediately work towards preserving it's culture. But the late Ambassador Organa claims Alderaan was chosen because Moff Tarkin and Lord Vader believed she was in possession of information regarding the insurgents military strategies, including military installations. She may have denied it before but records culled from the Deathstar show that she did have that information and she named Yavin IV specifically... only to have her home world destroyed anyway. I believe most Imperials are good people that were unfortunate enough to have maniacally detached superiors. And those that abandoned the Empire that cared for them, did so because it's leaders were out of control. A common failing of empires shown throughout history and the very reason the emperor had promised to relinquish power after the defeat of the CIS. I can only assume power had corrupted the once amiable Senator of Naboo.
the entire point of palpatine's empire was to fight the vong. he already ruled the galaxy as chancellor as early as episode 1 and anyone who read darth plaguis can tell you he had the entire democracy in his pocket, a revolution, even a jedi purge, was unnecessary. what he needed was militarization
The Jedi purge was needed, even during the height of the Clone Wars the Jedi were wary of his emergency executive powers and were just looking for an execuse to pressure him out of office.
All Palpatine wanted was power for himself. He was an entitled snowflake that believed to be some sort of god and needed to brutalize the galaxy in order to keep things in check while he goes somewhere to keep exploring the dark side. The Yuuzhan Vong invasion was to him just another excuse to keep militarizing the galaxy.
Borleias. BEST BATTLE EVER (in cases u didn't read the books, basically New Republic toys to buy breathing room for itself by sending a ton of forces to borlieas to make a stand, inlcuding the lusyanka (spelling is bad I know) and its all commanded by wedge. battle climaxes with the SSD raining hell on advancing yuuzahn vong ground troops, and also an epic quote about how this was the intended purpose of star destroyers all along.
"And it began to rain. It didn't rain water. It rained columns of destructive energy, massed fire from turbolaser batteries far overhead, brilliant needles of light that poured into the jungle all around the kill zone. The turbolaser blasts tore through vegetation, through everything beneath it. Blasts hitting trees detonated them in clouds of smoke. Beams hitting ponds and creeks and stagnant water sent up clouds of superheated steam. Beams flashed down through those clouds, but the manipulators of voids couldn't see them coming, couldn't maneuver the voids into place in time. Jaina sat transfixed. This was orbital bombardment, what the Empire's Star Destroyers had been built to do, what no Star Destroyer under the command of the New Republic had ever done. Jaina had heard about it, but it was just history, just some old-timey thing that no one ever had to worry about. And now she was seeing it. Lusankya was finally fulfilling the purpose for which she had been built, before Jaina had even been born. For four minutes, death rained down from overhead, in a circle neatly surrounding the kill zone. Then it stopped, and the rumbles, the screams uttered by bodies of water suddenly superheated, the bellows of distant rakamats meeting their doom, all died away." Rebel Dreams by Aaron Allston
Grand Admiral Thrawn would be a key tool for the Emperor Palpatine and the entire Empire. Thrawn had Empire of the Hand and the Chiss Ascendancy. I agree.. The Empire would have Death Star II, Galaxy Gun, World Devastors, etc.
When he keeps saying the empire didn’t have soldiers like the Jedi, I kept thinking “Have you just completely ignored the hundreds of inquisitors inquisitors and Jedi hunters the empire had?”
Of course, the empire, ever since they were the galactic republic, were preparing for the Yuuzhan Vong for a considerably long time. They would have, by then, finished a good amount of their weapons projects (hopefully not black wing please), have all the ship types EckhartsLadder said in this video, and not to mention the dark trooper project, which means at that point, all the storm troopers (or maybe just their special forces, commandos, and elite troopers) may have Phase III or Phase II Dark Trooper Armor or at least some improvement in personal equipment, because the Phase III was made to be the next generation storm trooper armor.
Except Palpatine had no intention of protecting the Galaxy. He wouldve used them to allow the destruction of the outer rim which would've resulted in just as many planets destroyed and hundreds of trillions dead. We're not talking about a benevolent leader here.
The inquisitor are not strong as the jedi and by design, so to not create possible competition, their job is to eliminate whatever jedi left aka poor leftover (as the strongest has been already killed) and untrained or barely trained force sensitive; sure they are a menace for type like Ezra and Kanan that are not received proper or full training, but against type like Maul and Ashoka? They barely stand a change
@Demiclea well Legends create a lot of exception for narrative purpose (video games are the main culprit), but the general attitude is that Palpy and Vader avoid create fully trained Sith or Jedi level dark siders to avoid competition. The one you refer is Mara Jade, the Hand of the Emperor, they were a cadre of strong force sensitive people trained to become special agents at the direct order of Palpy...but while strong in the force, they were by design not trained fully and a Jedi of the old republic will have done short work of them
There is reason to be hopeful, some of the new canon books, especially Thrawn, strongly imply new & more interesting threats exist in the Unknown Regions. It's entirely plausible the First Order is just a front & more complex entities & storylines will be revealed in Episodes VIII and IX.
So, let's see... We could have a threat that is extragalactic biotech using outside the Force worships a classical pantheon of gods did we mention they're outside the Force!? Or the Empire with a new name and an even bigger destructo laser. ...Lets go with the destructo laser. It's obvious that all good ideas for StarWars are already taken, so we may as well start recycling them. No need to have anything new/s
Don't forget the other Grand Admirals, Teshik, Grunger, Grant, Tigellinus, Takel and Syn-while not Thrawn's equal- were all extremely gifted strategists and tacticians that would have been incredible with large fleet under their control. The Yuuzhan Vong themselves admitted that the Empire would have been a far more challenging opponent and is why Nom Anor helped speed up it's collapse with infighting in the Crimson Empire series.
The Empire would've won but theres no way in hell Palpatine wouldn't have taken advantage of this and allowed just as many planets and beings die. He wouldve allowed the Galaxy to brought to the brink of destruction then suddenly turn things around.
Nom Anor himself said in "Traitor" by Matthew Stover: "Even the warmaster of the Jedi is none other than Jacen Solo’s uncle. This uncle, Luke Skywalker, is popularly considered to have singlehandedly created the New Republic by defeating an older, much more rational government called the Empire. And, I might add, it is fortunate for us that he did; the Empire was vastly more organized, powerful, and potently militaristic. Lacking the internal divisions we have exploited so successfully in the New Republic, the Empire could have crushed our people utterly in their first encounter.”" I also can imagine Vergere to have told Shimmra about Palpatine's power and menace quite enough and she was Palpatine's apprentice for a short time, so she should have known. So I presume too, that the YV would never ever had attacked Palpatine's Empire! If the rebels would not had been strong enough to blow the Empire up, the Yuuzhan Vong simply would have supported splinter groups like that of Zsinj to undermine the unity of the Empire. And now I think that Nom Anor did support somehow Fey'lya to become the new chancellor of the New Republic, so that he could put the invasion into action more effectively. In your weapon's list you forgot about the gravity well projector, which Thrawn did steal from the Vagaari, which could counterbalance the effects of the Dovin Basals. Another question is, if Thrawn could have thwarted the YV takeover, if left alive. Actually the YV should have been grateful to the Noghri for that service of having eliminated THE strategic mastermind able to counter their strategies - maybe by analyzing a statue of a Yun-Yammka.
yeah they would be VERY susceptible to infection and the last thing you want is to give flood planet sized bio mass hunks that can travel through space. That would instantly give them key minds which would make them unstoppable without halo rings or something very similar.
Spartan Abrams range combat would be in favor of the elites but relatively a even fight however close quarters the elites would cut through ark troopers simply because of how genetically superior elites are, there way stronger faster poses superior armor and shielding and there tactical skill is on par with ark troopers
Death Trooper elites havent fought droids, they have fought humans, SPARTANS, have superior sheilding, stand at 8ft, are fast as hell, carry splasma rifles (more deadly then lasers) and energy swords, sticky plasma bombs, and active camouflageing. arc troopers dont even get standardly equiped with jet packs, they just get blaster rifles like all other clones.
Add in at least like 30 friggin Super Class Cheese Wedges of varying types + Wayland Clones + Joruus C'Baoth+ CLOAKING DEVICES+ Katana Fleet+ Dark Luke+ Luuke Skywalker+ World Devastators+ ~20k Victory SDs+ Unknown amount of Interdictor Cruisers = Rebels won because they had better star fighters. LOL B-Wings FTW!
TheClawGaming Super weapons don't matter if the supply lines have been destroyed or the weapon itself has been flanked. Production of standard equipment is more important.
Patrick Except the Empire was not built to fight the rebels and guerrilla warfare. Its why the Empire seemed like they didnt care about Rebels. Even then Palpatine would’ve won if it wasnt for Vader. He was building a large military to combat the superweapons of the Vong and their weapons. The darkside was much more effective against them.
I remember one of the books from the EU cannon mentioned that. The Yuuzhan Vong had come to the conclusion in Universe that the Galactic Empire was more efficient than the New Republic and would have won the war. The Vong would have had to many losses.
The Yuuzhan Vong really makes the Star Wars story make sense. The threat of an outside force really helps to provide the incentive and motivation for the Empire and how they were developing advanced war tools (Death Stars) to keep the galaxy under their control and also combat the Vong.
Except Palpatine had no intention of protecting the Galaxy. He wouldve used them to allow the destruction of the outer rim which would've resulted in just as many planets destroyed and hundreds of trillions dead. We're not talking about a benevolent leader here.
I don't believe the NR had enough Jedi to sway the balance outside a relatively small number of the battles of a galaxy wide war. It wasn't the 10 thousand Jedi of the OR.
Palpatine not the hero we deserve but the hero we need. Looking at it he done everything to prepare for this war. 1. Control the chaos and militarize. 2. Tarkin doctrine of terror ensures loyalty by fear not bloodshed as the Vong could have superior numbers. 3. Vong could handle light force users but dark force users especially lightning were deadly to them. 4. Empire would settle the it in space not on planet side where Vong would be stronger. 5. Any empire officer wouldn’t have any qualms of using the bio weapon. 6. Collateral damage isn’t an issue. Also from what we see in EP456 it seems the Empire has set their sights elsewhere as they weren’t really seriously dealing with the rebel’s. I mean Luke and Leia grew up not as slaves to the empire but had pretty much a normal life except the empire was like a Galactic wide government. OR we can have NR with a fleet of purple haired commanders ramming Vong ships using hyperspace.
Uh... Tarkin doctrine ensured the Empire's downfall. Lots of people were terrified of the giant battlestation that could blow up planets. Without a good explanation from the Imperial News, they assumed Palps had gone mad with power and was likely to blow up planets at the drop of a hat. Which naturally lead to massive anti Imperial support and the expansion of the Rebel Alliance, eventually leading to the Empire's downfall. Moreover, the Tarkin Doctrine's fear only doesn't come from bloodshed due to the blood of the billions of bodies being vaporized in a planet killing explosion. Nom Anor would have a field day with that.
Yes the Infinite Empire could've defeated the Yuuzhan Vong they were able to defeat the celestials who were seriously advanced also they were cannibilastic killers btw great video 😄
Joshua Lansell-Kenny I don't think so the only thing that made the infinite empire so powerful was their connection to the force after they lost their power their empire were destroyed and the yuuhzan vong couldn't be effected by the force
Force couldn't directly harm the Vong but could augment Force users abilities, shadow bombs, TK objects ect - But remember Kyp was the only survivor of his starfighter squad V the Vong early on now imagine regular Imps pilots and how they would fare..
The Borg are very slow I don't know why there such a threat except for there adaption but seeming that Species 8472 give them a hard time The Yuuzhan Vong would kick there ass too.
The Immortal Super Being The Borg have trouble assimilating things that kill a lot of them instantly. The weapons of Species 8472 were powerful enough to destroy an entire cube in a single shot, or a whole planet if several of them worked together.
Ethan Meskin Not necessarily. The Borg can't have great difficulty adapting to defend against projectile based weapons. The Yuuzhan Vong weapons fire balls of magma. I can't see the Borg being able to adapt.
Kingx Kai117 Imperial navy led by thrawn vs UNSC navy led by Cole? A cool fight but it would have to stick to a battlegroup v battlegroup due to the imperials having a larger navy altogether
Spartan Abrams He shouldn't do it. He's not military, nor does he know how they think. They fought two different types of enemies with two different types of technology. It's like putting George Washington against General Patton. It's stupid and wouldn't work. Putting the fleets against each other is a different story. Though, the UNSC would still get beat. Especially if it was an even fight. The UNSC got destroyed countless times by the covenant and in most cases, the star wars ship wins. Soo
I want that video too, but to be honest, the Empire will obviously win easily. The UNSC and even Pre-War Covenant combined only controlled portions of the Orion Arm, while the Empire controlled 3/4 of the Galaxy (More specifically 100 Million worlds while the United Earth Government controlled roughly 800~ and the Pre-War Covenant controlled several thousand). The empire had so many resources compared to them that I think its safe to say that the UNSC, even with Sangheili help, will be crushed.
Some Random Guy The UNSC was primitive compare to their now extinct enemy , the Covenant empire , recently they've upgraded to 3rd teir civilization , they are like successors to the forunners. The weaponry of UNSC is now a hybrid of Forerunner and Sangheili weapons according to Halo wiki. Resources , yeah I can agree they definitely got crush there but the weaponry is no longer bullets anymore...
Humanity was already Tier 3 in the Early War, don't you mean Tier 2? And I really don't think the new technology the UNSC has will be able to deal a significant blow to the empire. The UNSC's AI technology, is, however, more advanced then the empire's, even before the upgrade (the Empire's AI Technology is shitty and nothing really impressive), so the UNSC might have a strategic advantage thanks to that, and a even more of a strategic advantage if the war is fought in their space, and their Railguns would probably deal serious damage to a Star Destroyer's Hull and Shield. But at the end, for once, brute strength wins over advanced technology (despite being already relatively similar technologically)
Since this is legends the empire would have a lot of Inquisitors. And the EU Inquisitors were easily as powerful as most Jedi. So the first negative is not accurate at all
There's still room for a Vong Invasion though. I mean, holy shit, if the ending of The New Order ended with a massive Vong Fleet coming in as the heroes championed their defeat of the First Order, god, damn. That shit would be crazy.
I have given up about the sequel trilogy and the Disney Canon. I don't wast my time with this bad fan fic full of plotholes and illogical changes etc I only enjoy the mountain of EU left, SW TH-cam, SW Games and perhaps the stand alone Disney movies because Rogue One was really not that bad.
The Thing would have more success against the Empire than Xenomorphs. The Empire has better tech than the Colonial Marines, and is more used to combating strange and horrifying aliens. The CMs were completely unprepared for fighting Xenomorphs and did not take the threat seriously until it was too late. The Empire would not make that mistake. They would also take the "Nuke the site from orbit" strategy everywhere they even suspected there *might* be a Xenomorph nest. The Empire wouldn't have much trouble with Xenomorphs. The Thing, that could become much more interesting.
Lure the Vong into star system. Blow up that system with the Sun Crusher. No defense the Vong have could block a supernova as it hits every inch of the vessel and they had pinpoint black holes not shields for defense. Sure the black hole would absorb the star at that spot but not every bit surrounding that spot. It's basically the same weakness they had against torpedoes, they could block one or two but not a barrage of them.
bryan beane Now that is very interesting since Covenant have less ships but their ships are mostly more powerful. Plus they would win on ground. Good fight
This video is great! I really would like to see a Star Wars movie where this happens although we never would. I agree with you 100%, and would see the destruction of the Yuuzhan Vong 10 out of 10 times. Although a formidable foe, they would realistically be crushed just like the rebel alliance should have been.
I think the Empire vs Vong thing is the best Star Wars fan theory period. The only flaw is it is better writing than George Lucas is capable of. Just like Han and Luke fighting over the affections of Princess Leia before whoops she's Luke's sister - well if Lucas had intended it (he should have!) durign the battle over Death Star 2 why didn't the Emperor reveal the Vong threat, to both try to turn Luke but also rally the alliance? Luke announcing they should stop, with the imperial fleet and death star stopping shooting then waves of video on the Vong threat could have stopped the rebellion in its tracks. The Emperor - proven to be a brilliant Machievellian leader as much as a dictator - could have then rallied former rebels to fight alongside imperials against the Vong and had a lasting Empire forged of necessity. "I wished to prevent panic... To spare the peoples of the Galaxy the horror of the evil emerging from the dark between the galaxies until we stood a chance of fighting back... But I hid this too well, and they only saw me as what I hate the most...a dictator...which I have become... Tell me, would it not be easier to merely rule Naboo and a few other planets on the rim? What wealth is worth all I have strived for, now a withered husk aged many years than I have? I did this all for every one of you, every living being in the galaxy. Hate me if you must, but please, please put aside our petty differences and fight alongside each other for the shadow that approaches is far worse!"
GreenGestalt Some of the Vong books are good, some aren't. There's like 20 written by many different authors. None of them are as creative of stories as Lucas wrote.
zam023 ....? And... what I was saying. If the Emperor knew about the Vong, that would in a way justify his evil power grabbing actions. Fleets of Star Destroyers and several Death Stars would have wiped out the force immune Vong. The Emperor could have unveiled the threat during the Endor battle and likely turned much of the rebels to his side. Then the Sith would rule the Galaxy as heroes and saviors and the legacy of the Jedi an embarrassing memory.
Maybe because Palpatine wanted to destroy everyone who opposed him, remember, he unknowingly created the Rebel Alliance just because he wanted to wipe out his enemies.
Stargate replicators vs the star wars empire. This would be interesting as the replicators are immune to energy weapons and can't be wiped out using an overwhelming force. If you do, they will board your ships and absorb them. Now you have given your entire fleet over to the replicators and your most advanced technology to them.
technically they aren't immune to energy weapons as shown in the beginning of season 8 when 3 Asgard vessels destroy the replicator ship with directed energy weapons. they are able to absorb energy. Its just that on an infantry scale staff weapons and zats and the like such as blasters wouldn't be able to overcome the ability of a basic replicator to absorb the energy. Basically ship scale weaponry might be able to do it but ground combat and ship boarding actions would only be a losing battle unless the empire deployed slugthrowers.
I'm not so sure that they would be permanently useful. Just like the ARG disruptors I think the replicators would rapidly adapt to the ion weapon technology
+Ed Lippincott Which would allow the Emperor time to find where they needed to be and remove them. I'm also not sure that the replicators would be able to ignore it all, though they might be able to make a shield against it. As usual, if you take the Emperor out of the equation, things get a lot worse for the Empire. Knowing *something's* happening is a huge boost to your chances. Knowing where is even better.
my reasoning is that they were able to adapt to something that actually renders them inert for good by disrupting their internal communications. Obviously that would leave little time to gather evidence to adapt. Ion weapons are just directed energy weapons (see absoption) that are tailored to disrupt electronics temporarily or permanently depending on plot armor. this would give the replicators a greater chance to quickly adapt to them.
In defense of the argument Han Solo put out in that novel at the beginning..... This is the "Legends" Han Solo who already saw two Death Stars, one "The Tarkin" in comics, one Eclipse Canon, the Sun Crusher, The Darksaber (failed and thus what he could be referring to in the first place in this context) Not to mention things that were stated to be "more powerful than the Death Star" like the World Devastators..... so he kinda has a huge point that, um, yeah, Empire would've just focused efforts on superweapons...
Until you cut off their supply chain. Production of standard equipment and well trained commanders would probably be a better investment. Look at what happened in Russia and Austria-Hungary during WW1 or Germany and Japan during WW2. Lots of superweapon ideas but they couldn't produce enough standard equipment to meet demand.
Bob Reno They missed because the empire phased out clone troopers after they attacked Kamino in order to avoid any opportunities for clone rebellions in future. Without the Kaminoans cloning technology the empire was forced to essentially draft standard men and women rather than born to fight clones. 501st storyline in Battlefront 2 is the source
Bob Reno To be fair to the rest of the Galaxy, part of the point of the Clone Wars was to spread the Republic fleet out all over the Galaxy, generally absorbing the local defense forces in the process. It's a lot easier to dominate a large swath of territory when you already control the vast majority of the military power in that area. Not saying they didn't bulk up their own military, just that they started off on a damn good foot.
321gman I'll put my money on the replicators because they where from Atkins created them and they have the Billy to make the Ancients motherships in other Cruisers which have those drones
I prefer to think about dropping on Thing (from the Carpenter movie) into the lower parts of Coruscant. There, it can start infecting people where the authorities do not go, and assemble a whole legion of infected before it goes to the surface, and by then there would be too many Things to stop. They would have to quarantine the planet.
I am late here but I would say since the Vong didn't have a child of Darth Vader and turn the Noghri, or magic hyperspace whales to save them...Empire wins cause Thrawn is amazing. But that assumes the Empire lets Thrawn lead...which they most certainly may not have.
The Rakata vs the Yuuzhan hmm...both completely brutal and savage, hard to think of it but they do have the starforge and many powerful weapons :/...idk a vid perhaps :D
Come to think of it. The empire was litterally molded to be a yuzhan vong fighting force. looking at the huge ships and everything, they could destroy the vong easily. The empire wasnt designed to stop rebels.
I’d rather see a battle of the empire vs covenant. But you know what would be could the imperium vs the forerunners but very unfair because the forerunners run that vs
You are not thinking like a Imperial. Palpatine would counter invaded Vongs outside of the Galaxy if they can reach them. Sith despise weakness and actively seek the destruction of losers. Plus the imperial arrogance of the officer core of the Empire would not stop at chase the enemy out of the Galaxy either. I also think the video fail to account the effect of Darth Vader and 501st strike force. I personally believe Vader and his personal army and his Inquisitors would make up for the lack of Jedis and would be more of a match to the new Jedi order if Palpatine decide to get physical and unleashing the "full power of the Dark Side." For the non Jedi military commander personalities of the New Republic, Thrawn alone would have made up for all the non-Jedi military commander personalities of the New Republic
Wait, so are you saying you'd take a bunch of random inquisitors over the solos and the rest of the New Jedi Order? I'm with you on everything else but man that's getting to be a stretch. Still, think the Empire would have handily beat the Vong but yeah.
Han Solo is Mr. plot armor. I never find his character interesting other than generic even in the 70s. I think Emperor+Vader+501 clones+Inquisitors+imperial agents could match up against the New Jedi albeit inferior. You think Vader + Palpatine couldn't match up against Solo twins? Generic Inquisitors might be inferior to generic Jedi but I'm tossing in 501 clones and Imperial Agents in to even the odds. Furthermore, Vader and Palpatine might train some Starkiller, Darth Maul, or Ventress level Sith Assassins if the Inquisitors are truly outmatched by Vongs melee specialists. On the other hand, the Imperial fleets and Thrawn would wiped floor with non-force aspects of the New Republic. My bet is Empire would not only defeat Vong faster and more efficient than the New Republic, they would also launch a successful genocidal counter invasion against Vongs.
I hate that the Vong are no longer cannon. They were such an interesting enemy. I loved that arch. They were like did for the EU what the Dominion arch did for DS9. Gave the entire story line a much needed kick of adrenaline.
Johnny Kilroy Stormtroopers aren't horrible they are actually -really- pretty good it's just because there helmets and there guns have horrible knock back
I actually think , and so do many other's opinion of the Empire . The Empire seems to have weapons designed to take out things that specifically the yhuuzhan vong create , even so far as to not have shields on tie fighters because the vong actually had things that could feed off of shields.
Even if Palpatine/Empire did not know about the YV their sheer brutality and ruthlessness would get things started. There is a group wanting to take over our Galaxy. "You may fire when ready." Also by this time the TIE fighter would have been phased out for the superior TIE Avengers.
+Tom C. you know an enemy is well written if you response like that. And you get in the war feeling aswell just thinking about it. Shame star wars didnt show that
I believe the Rakata Infinite Empire could defeat the Yuuzhan Vong, simply because of the massive advantage that the Star Forge would afford them. Being able to produce entire fleets of warship and armies of droids in mere years if not months, as well as their prowess with the dark side. The Yuuzhan Vong just wouldn't be able to counter that.
I always thought that all those superweapons and focus on capital ship firepower was much more suited for fighting the vong and their worldships, than for the figther focused rebells.
I think Palpy would've let the Yuuzhan Vong take enough of the galaxy to justify his existence as its protector. I wonder if the Yuuzhan Vong would've then been able to to take enough from an overconfident Palpy to turn the tide vs the galaxy, and then internal factions inside of the Empire broke it apart. Further, I wonder if Palpy would've committed his super weapons (or worse, Thrawn) too early. It took a series of lopsided losses before the Galaxy developed the tactics to avoid blowout losses. It could otherwise be argued that the Empire would've known about the YV tech that rendered lasers useless in the early stages. TL;DR The Emperor was not above error and would've found a way to screw it up.
Yeah, Palpatine not telling anyone about the threat or giving evidence, really seems to tilt the answer towards "The Imperial remnant is more likely covering their predecessor's ass, and, even if Palps did know he didn't give a crap about the galaxy, since he didn't freaking tell anyone!" From what I've seen, all this about Palps knowing of the Yuuzhan Vong, happens well into their invasion, when it's bloody obvious that they're a major threat, as opposed to before. Sounds like someone's making shit up.
Absolutely. Me and my boys fighting the Yuuzhan Vong: Me, a former Imperial(then a Senator): The Empire would have easily beat the Yuuzhan Vong! Grand Admiral Thrawn had a plan and everything, before you fucking killed him! My friend and fellow commander, a former Rebel: That’s a nice argument, Senator. Why don’t you back it up with a source? Me: My source is that I made it the fuck up!
Hey guys, sorry about the audio issues in today's video! I'm leaving to go out of town today, so I didn't have time to fix it. It was either upload this or nothing. Hope y'all enjoyed anyway.
We did thanks for making awesome vids everyday!
your living town will you make more videos for how long
+Jonathan Pirolo thanks!!
your welcome
Hey I'm not trying to tell you how do your videos you do a great job but it would help me understand how you pick your winners if you would break it down like you do with your starship vs
For example you can break it up bye species, Technology , leadership, and readiness
1) Give Thrawn the fleet
2) The End
RaPtorteAm yes
Well I can imagine Thrawn getting a small fleet an basically romping around inside Vong-controlled space while the rest of the Empire is fighting a completely exhausting war of attrition. Think something like Colonel Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck in World War One.
random guy seems that would be a more likely sceneario ,he probably would gain more ships the longer he campaigned.
random guy ur pretty good...
question: " why didn't thrawn have a super star destroyer?"
answear: "...He didn't need one!"
Palpatine in legends: is so powerful he can destroy entire fleets by himself.
Palpatine in canon: falls down a hole and dies.
Rodrigo Amorim That was an unexpected ambush from his apprentice. It's how pretty much all Master dark Jedi die after Darth Bane created the rule of two. Just look at how Palpatine killed his Master. Infinite power doesn't matter if you get bushwhacked.
bigmekboy175 but I mean that if he had enough telecinetic power to destroy numerous ships he would have no problem stoping himself from falling.
So I think this is just another case of overpowered star Wars legends.
Rodrigo Amorim Jedi and Sith in the lore can't levitate themselves very well. Even Mace Windu was presumed dead after Palpatine launched him out a window. It doesn't make much sense, but it is well established. Even if they can't use their telekinetic powers on themselves for some weird reason why can't they use it on their clothing? The sole exception to surviving a long fall is Darth Maul which I still think was more fan service than following the lore.
Robert M. Dunn it doesn't need to be realistic but every type of storytelling needs logic or what would be the point? A universe with no set rules isn't captivating because then authors can get away with any kind of nonsensical craziness.
Palpatine could not force fly, he could levitate what he was standing on though. Force flight for whatever reason just wasnt feasible to anybody. Apparently Lucas didn't want Star Wars to be like a japanese manga or DC Comic.
The use of the Death Star alone would have made up for the lack of Jedi in the war. Being able to one shot their world ships would have been clutch.
Geminias Though weapon needs to be recharged and adjusted with maximum effort
Andree Tungcab death star 2 makes it up for sure once completed.
to be fair the way lore about the vong was written it seemed like they literally made the death stars for that reason the whole terror thing was just a bonus
Andree Tungcab the Death Star doesn't need full power to one shot ships.
The Eclipses could have one-shotted worldships. Sovereigns might have been able to as well, but if not the worldships would have been critically damaged. The Death Star II on its lowest setting, which would probably have allowed it to fire faster, would have most likely popped a worldship like a soap bubble.
"We have an army."
"We have a Palpatine."
I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!
i have sand
Thats why Vader wears that suit!
We have a Senate.
We have Trawn
It's almost as if the Imperials wargear was designed to fight the Yuuzhan Vong, not the rebel alliance.
KommissarKek I mean, several times in the eu characters have said that the whole goal of the Empire, besides eliminating Jedi and giving Palpatine power, was to safeguard against the vong and their eventual invasion. Being the emperor is pretty meaningless with nothing to rule lol
It's a single line thrown in a Zahn book called "Outbound Flight." And Zahn always loved writing the New Republic/ Jedi as idiots.
The problem is, no one could defeat the Vong. Only the Jedi could beat them with superior piloting. The Vong were immune to the force, had already infiltrated the galaxy for years.
Star Wars technology was vastly inferior. The Jedi won the war through peace.
The Vong were not Immune to the dark side powers
Dark Troopers were specifically made to counter the vong warriors, World Devastators to devour their World Ships
Darth Maul killed one with his bare hands
The Jedi and Rebels got Trillions of people killed
Christus Regnet I think Zahn always did an alright job in showing how a government cobbled together from leftovers and actual terrorists would function in the vacuum after the removal of the Empire. Not to say that the empire was great or anything, but they didn't have to deal with things in as fractious a manner as the new republic, cause who is going to argue with the man who shoots lightning or his murder machine servant?
Keep in mind that the "peace" they won the war with was forced upon the vong. The vong would have never stopped till their zealot mindset was satisfied that all the tech abominations had been destroyed.
The jedi are superior pilots, it's true. But the only reason fighter level and guerilla tactics were required was because the Republic couldn't get its shit together in time to organize the kind of fleet that is needed to fight a Vong force. By the time they did, they had lost a ton of resources, and most of their victories came with heavy losses, both amongst the jedi and navy.
In contrast, an imperial response would have been overwhelming from the outset, sending every available resource to crush any challenge to the rule of the Empire. Also of note is that the empire, while not possessing probably even a tenth of the force users the alliance had access to, would have had the emperors hands, and various other force sensitive servants of Palpatine. And unlike the jedi, who several times had to take second seat to various commanders and admirals during engagements, these servants would likely have lead the battles they took part in, using their more sinister abilities for maximum effect in crushing the extra galactic invaders.
All in all an imperial response would have saved billions of lives, not to even speak of the invasion of coruscant and the numberless amount who died during it. Yeah, the empire are evil, and retroactively adding a reason for that is kinda lame, but it's still supported, and in the what-if scenario it is quite clear the empire would have had the tools to decisively destroy the majority of the vong with comparative ease.
Enigmaris My favorite Zahn book is Visions of the Future. He didn't write any of the Yuuzhan Vong novels, and when he wrote his first prequel era novel(outbound flight), he depicted the Jedi as beyond incompetent, blathering idiots, and of course glorified Thrawn and Palpatine as usual.
I don't know if the Empire could have won, but it's silly to make Palpatine's goal a noble one, that he was simply working for the greater good. The Sith are selfish, and Palpatine himself is responsible for the deaths of billions. How many billions died in the Clone Wars, a completely fabricated conflict? How many died on Alderaan? His overthrow was legitimate.
Ekkhart quotes the imperial officer chick precisely, and then misquotes Han, who knows first hand, and has a point.
"That’s not what the Empire would have done, Commander. What the Empire would have done was build a supercolossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn’t have worked. They’d forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that’s what the Empire would have done.”
The Empire absolutely would have defeated the Vong based solely on their willingness to use biological weapons.
ltrey33 ... the Vong are way better at bio-weapons than the empire would be.
McBobbish biological weapons like disease and viruses, not actual living weapons like the vong used.
In legends the Grand Admiral of the Imperial Remnants Gilad Pellaeon has this exact debate with Moff Flennic; Flennic tells Pellaeon that if the Empire was still in power during the Vong war they would have sent the Yuuzhan Vong back from where they had came from impaled on their own amphistaffs - to which Pellaeon replies "really Kurlen we weren't able to handle a handful of Rebel, so how would we have handled the full might of the Yuuzhan Vong".
In conclusion the Empire would have been in the same position as the New Republic against the Vong; the Remnants lost at least 3 planets to the Vong including their capital at the time Bastion & the planet of Muunilinst.
Nuka Scotia no the rebels are a completely different threat and there is no doubt that the empire would have stomped the yuuzong
Blake Swanson If they couldn't defeat the Rebels how would they have defeated the Yuuzhan Vong?
Remember everything the Empire did, chief among them aliens were treated appallingly by the Empire - many were slaves under imperial rule & the ones who weren't slaves had their careers trapped underneath imperial transparisteel.
It's a sad day when Palpatine was the Galaxy's best hope
Especially if you are human and are loyal to your species
MyGamer125 Rebel!
I think this is actually a big part of the reason why Disney threw out the Old Canon entirely: The Empire would easily have beaten the Vong, it's obvious if you've read even a few of the books. By destroying the old order and doing his best to build up the galaxy's defenses, all this means that in the end, Palpatine was actually the good guy.
He wasn't, the Empire was too corrupt to face off against the Vong. The Vong are master manipulators and would exploit weaknesses.
So every day is a sad day?
Doesn’t seem like that.
-Yuuzhan Vong takes battle to ground*
-Empire uses Death Star*
-Yuuzhan was*
Yuuzhan Vong: *Exist*
Death Star: Hello there.
Tarkin: You may fire when ready.
You mean Yuuzhan Gone
@@jonathantheslow You-Gone Vong
The Viet Cong vs. Ewoks
NGC6144 yeah that is cool
get ready for alot of teddy bears impaled on poop covered stakes
NGC6144 George Lucas said the Viet Cong was the reference for the ewoks.
NGC6144 just complete silence in the jungle
Replaces the 501st with Real Life soldiers and they wouldn't have lost to the Rebels or Ewoks
The utility of the Jedi order...
Looks at the book heir to the empire...
Ya no I would gladly take Thrawn over any of the Jedi orders.
Fax
He would have caused a Jedi civil war just by explaining the younglings how many medichlorians they have
I read the book. The new republic were useless. Infact they were helping the enemy hunt down the jedi. The remnants of the Empire were one of the few factions holding their own against the yuuzon vong.
Only becaus e they stayed isolated until 3 years into the war, and even then the Vong nearly conquered them. Only with help from the Jedi did they repel the invaders.
Giving the empire plot armour makes it over powered
Indeed. The imperial remnant avoided war while the Republic took the blunt of the invasion. You're also forgetting that even though the Republic lost a series of battles the Vong still suffered heavy losses as well. Which allowed the Galatic Alliance to eventually counter attack.
They lost a third of their forces by the time Coruscant fell. The Vong did not expect to suffer such heavy casualties.
Bullshit. If the Vong focused on the Remnant, the Imperials would've been crushed.
The Vong themselves said they'd have lost if the Empire was still vibrant.
I think you're remembering incorrectly. The Vong originally planned to invade fully expecting the Empire to be in power. They expected the Empire to be a tough opponent but they full expected to win.
@@LightExavier no, the Vong scouts recommended not invading due to the empire. That's why they waited until It crumbled.
LightExavier If they thought they could take the Empire, they wouldn’t have wasted time destabilizing the Imperial Remnant
@@Jacaerys1 you happen to know where this was mentioned? It has been a while since I've read this so I could be rusty. But I must admit I do not remember that off the top of my head
@@littlekuribohimposte does not fully make sense to me. They destabilize the Imperial Remnant because it is good strategy. They did the same thing to the new Republic as well. Had nothing to do with being unable to fight either of them military wise, it was completely due to good sound tactics. It confuses me why people always think the vong are not capable tacticians. When during the course of the war that they used a wide variety of tactics and weapons. In many ways superior to the Empire
The reason why the empire was so militarized was because Palpatine foresaw the Yuuzhan Vong coming and he wanted to stop it.
Not trying to show my EU ignorance too much since I'm just delving in but where was it revealed he knew about them? I know the video said Palaptine knew of them in Outbound Flight but was it stated he knew before or was there a novel detailing how he knew?
Grawman67 it was revealed in the book outbound flight
Yea when they revealed that briefly in outbound flight I was shocked, it was so cool
Grawman67 It was briefly in Outbound flight
Palpatine did no wrong, rebel scum ruined everything for everyone!
Vong: *blitz and captures multiple planets*
Empire: *fires DS2, Galaxy Gun, and both Eclipse's.*
"What planets?"
How North Korea tackle covid
Reminding me of Exterminatus from 40k
You understand that the reason the Vong came to the Star Wars galaxy is because they killed theirs? If the Empire is destroying every fucking planet the Vong steps foot on... And the Vong will be doing the same! It ends the same way the Vong's home galaxy did... a dead sea of stars. You're also forgetting that the rebels still exist, and once the Empire's suppression fleets left to fight the Vong, they'd immediately secede. The Empire would be thrown into chaos WHILE fighting the Vong.
@@TheSuperRatt they obviously wouldn’t have to destroy every planet they landed on besides for this video it was the empire vs them no rebels involved. If the rebels were still there one could only hope they would have the necessary survival instincts to keep there heads down.
Vong: *Behold our Worldships!*
Empire: *Sends in the World Devastators*
Empire: "What Worldships? Oh, and enjoy the swarms of Star Destroyers and Droid starfighters they have created!"
Vong: *WTF!?*
I like the thought of bringing the Yuuzhan Vong into the new saga films...whether in the past (prequel) or the future (sequel). It would bring something truly new to the movies and create a threat within that galaxy so powerful that the Jedi and Sith would have to join forces (though temporary) to eliminate it. This would open up the possibility for the viewers to learn new things about the Sith, through the lense of anit-heroes. Not to mention, countless other fresh and new things for the fandom to witness. This could be so epic...that Shakespearean level stories could be told within this scenario. There's your next trilogy
I mean if they did, we would have higher stakes than the OT and prequels combined. The Yuuhzan Vong War in legends led to the deaths of 300 trillion living beings and left thousands of planets inhospitable. The only thing stopping SW from doing this and creating something truly unique and never seen before IS... Disney. The mouse wont agree to it. Disney would never give SW the opportunity to even try something like that
Imperial Soldier: "Your Highest, the Yuuzan Vongs cant be stop."
Palpatine: "Hold my beer."
*Bass boosted lightning noise*
or, if you're not inclined to mention disney,
*Whatever noise a force storm makes*
6:38
when you stub your toe on the sharp corner of a coffee table
The Gank Fox kek
Made my evening XD
Or when you step on a Lego.
KaiBearGaming Lego star wars set
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There's a fan theory that says Palpatine had a vision or dream about the vong invasion and created the empire and the death star as a way to fight the gong if they ever actually invaded the galaxy.
Vong
Devin Brown Interesting
Devin Brown I think Thrawn warned him about them
Devin Brown Not a fan theory, thrawn warned him in one of legends stories
Neighborhood Watch In Canon Thrawn warned about far outsiders he didn't mention that they are the Yuuhzan Vong just that they are called far outsiders and that they were much more powerful and evil than the Empire was at the time
The Yuuzhan Vong were vulnerable to one force power that the Jedi would not try to use because of its allure to the dark side, force Lightning, and if Palpatine isn’t dead, he could defeat the Yuuzhan Vong by himself with his force storm attack, if anyone remembers that from legends...
Luke had green lightning in the Vong Arc.
50k3r2 he didn’t like to use that ability, he felt a pull towards the dark side every time he used it, which is why he rarely uses it... but like I said, Palpatine was a master of using force lightning, and was a Lord of the Sith, if not “The” Lord of the Sith...
50k3r2 electric judgement aka instant death
50k3r2 Didn’t Plo Koon have that?
The overall level of force powers vary wildly in the early years of the Legends EU, and trying to claim any specific power from the early stuff is like grabbing one of the silver age Superman powers, technically legit, but also kinda missing the point.
#TheEmpireDidNothingWrong
Philip Zeplin
Ok but what about Emperor Palpatine himself?
You mean our benevolent leader of this great Galactic Empire? What about him?
His dealings with the trade federations blockade of Naboo and refusal to relinquish control after the defeat of the CIS as well as his use of a DarkArmored Jedi despite the Council's apparent betrayal of the Empire.
There's also the egregious waste of resources on, not one but two planet destroying space stations and accompanying fleets that fell to miniscule forces of a weak insurgency.
That stuff.
Philip Zeplin
Alderaan was a peaceful planet whose rich culture contributed to the Republic and the Empire. So much so that Palpatine himself was surprised by Grand Moff Tarkin's choice. The Emperor did sanction the destruction of a planet a a a test and message but no one expected Alderaan. After it's destruction many Imperials abandoned their posts to join the insurgents. All displaced natives of Alderaan (off planet and out system at the time) were housed as refugees in the wake of their home world's destruction. They were sympathized with by their housing systems and were only punished when all out riots began. And their punishment was not death for treason because the galaxy understood their rising anger. Instead, they were policed and arrested.
Alderaan was so important to the galaxy that it's loss prompted many high profile figures to immediately work towards preserving it's culture.
But the late Ambassador Organa claims Alderaan was chosen because Moff Tarkin and Lord Vader believed she was in possession of information regarding the insurgents military strategies, including military installations. She may have denied it before but records culled from the Deathstar show that she did have that information and she named Yavin IV specifically... only to have her home world destroyed anyway.
I believe most Imperials are good people that were unfortunate enough to have maniacally detached superiors. And those that abandoned the Empire that cared for them, did so because it's leaders were out of control. A common failing of empires shown throughout history and the very reason the emperor had promised to relinquish power after the defeat of the CIS. I can only assume power had corrupted the once amiable Senator of Naboo.
*as a test
Stupid protocol Droid needs an update.
the entire point of palpatine's empire was to fight the vong. he already ruled the galaxy as chancellor as early as episode 1 and anyone who read darth plaguis can tell you he had the entire democracy in his pocket, a revolution, even a jedi purge, was unnecessary. what he needed was militarization
totally DUNE
The Jedi purge was needed, even during the height of the Clone Wars the Jedi were wary of his emergency executive powers and were just looking for an execuse to pressure him out of office.
Connor O'Brien is that the book where he has the vision of the vong invasion?
All Palpatine wanted was power for himself. He was an entitled snowflake that believed to be some sort of god and needed to brutalize the galaxy in order to keep things in check while he goes somewhere to keep exploring the dark side. The Yuuzhan Vong invasion was to him just another excuse to keep militarizing the galaxy.
The Jedi were inept bureaucrats by that point and contributed to the Republic's corruption.
The Empire fighting on the ground? Base Delta Zero. Just saying.
Borleias. BEST BATTLE EVER
(in cases u didn't read the books, basically New Republic toys to buy breathing room for itself by sending a ton of forces to borlieas to make a stand, inlcuding the lusyanka (spelling is bad I know) and its all commanded by wedge. battle climaxes with the SSD raining hell on advancing yuuzahn vong ground troops, and also an epic quote about how this was the intended purpose of star destroyers all along.
trys*
Either that, or one of their super-weapons.
tries*
"And it began to rain.
It didn't rain water. It rained columns of destructive energy, massed fire
from turbolaser batteries far overhead, brilliant needles of light that poured
into the jungle all around the kill zone.
The turbolaser blasts tore through vegetation, through everything beneath
it. Blasts hitting trees detonated them in clouds of smoke. Beams hitting
ponds and creeks and stagnant water sent up clouds of superheated
steam. Beams flashed down through those clouds, but the manipulators of
voids couldn't see them coming, couldn't maneuver the voids into place in
time.
Jaina sat transfixed. This was orbital bombardment, what the Empire's Star
Destroyers had been built to do, what no Star Destroyer under the
command of the New Republic had ever done. Jaina had heard about it,
but it was just history, just some old-timey thing that no one ever had to
worry about.
And now she was seeing it. Lusankya was finally fulfilling the purpose for
which she had been built, before Jaina had even been born.
For four minutes, death rained down from overhead, in a circle neatly
surrounding the kill zone. Then it stopped, and the rumbles, the screams
uttered by bodies of water suddenly superheated, the bellows of distant
rakamats meeting their doom, all died away."
Rebel Dreams by Aaron Allston
Grand Admiral Thrawn would be a key tool for the Emperor Palpatine and the entire Empire. Thrawn had Empire of the Hand and the Chiss Ascendancy.
I agree.. The Empire would have Death Star II, Galaxy Gun, World Devastors, etc.
When he keeps saying the empire didn’t have soldiers like the Jedi, I kept thinking “Have you just completely ignored the hundreds of inquisitors inquisitors and Jedi hunters the empire had?”
Of course, the empire, ever since they were the galactic republic, were preparing for the Yuuzhan Vong for a considerably long time. They would have, by then, finished a good amount of their weapons projects (hopefully not black wing please), have all the ship types EckhartsLadder said in this video, and not to mention the dark trooper project, which means at that point, all the storm troopers (or maybe just their special forces, commandos, and elite troopers) may have Phase III or Phase II Dark Trooper Armor or at least some improvement in personal equipment, because the Phase III was made to be the next generation storm trooper armor.
Except Palpatine had no intention of protecting the Galaxy. He wouldve used them to allow the destruction of the outer rim which would've resulted in just as many planets destroyed and hundreds of trillions dead. We're not talking about a benevolent leader here.
The Empire may not have had jedi, but they had inquisitors.
Also Reapers from mass effect vs. The Empire.
The Inquisitors appeared to have been gone before Episode 4.
The inquisitor are not strong as the jedi and by design, so to not create possible competition, their job is to eliminate whatever jedi left aka poor leftover (as the strongest has been already killed) and untrained or barely trained force sensitive; sure they are a menace for type like Ezra and Kanan that are not received proper or full training, but against type like Maul and Ashoka? They barely stand a change
@Demiclea well Legends create a lot of exception for narrative purpose (video games are the main culprit), but the general attitude is that Palpy and Vader avoid create fully trained Sith or Jedi level dark siders to avoid competition. The one you refer is Mara Jade, the Hand of the Emperor, they were a cadre of strong force sensitive people trained to become special agents at the direct order of Palpy...but while strong in the force, they were by design not trained fully and a Jedi of the old republic will have done short work of them
@@unigaming9921 Legends has many surviving Inquisitors into the days of post-Return of the Jedi.
An actual interesting villain instead of the Empire part 2 which the sequel trilogy has given us
There is reason to be hopeful, some of the new canon books, especially Thrawn, strongly imply new & more interesting threats exist in the Unknown Regions. It's entirely plausible the First Order is just a front & more complex entities & storylines will be revealed in Episodes VIII and IX.
Max Baugh I hope so brother
FUUUUCK NO. The vong are the cheapest bad guys in SW history.
best Star wars antagonists: Thrawn and Vader
So, let's see...
We could have a threat that is
extragalactic
biotech using
outside the Force
worships a classical pantheon of gods
did we mention they're outside the Force!?
Or the Empire with a new name and an even bigger destructo laser.
...Lets go with the destructo laser. It's obvious that all good ideas for StarWars are already taken, so we may as well start recycling them. No need to have anything new/s
Independence day mothership vs super star destroyer
Grant Thomas Well their fighters are obviously superior with shields, giving them a good advantage
#RIPStarDestroyer
Cya Star Destroyer. I think the only ones who stand a chance against the IND Aliens are The Reapers.
Grant Thomas Independence Day Resurgence Harvester ship?
The Immortal Super Being why reapers? Star wars universe is much stronger than mass effect universe
Don't forget the other Grand Admirals, Teshik, Grunger, Grant, Tigellinus, Takel and Syn-while not Thrawn's equal- were all extremely gifted strategists and tacticians that would have been incredible with large fleet under their control. The Yuuzhan Vong themselves admitted that the Empire would have been a far more challenging opponent and is why Nom Anor helped speed up it's collapse with infighting in the Crimson Empire series.
The Empire would've won but theres no way in hell Palpatine wouldn't have taken advantage of this and allowed just as many planets and beings die. He wouldve allowed the Galaxy to brought to the brink of destruction then suddenly turn things around.
Nom Anor himself said in "Traitor" by Matthew Stover: "Even the warmaster of the Jedi is none other than Jacen Solo’s uncle. This uncle, Luke Skywalker, is popularly considered to have singlehandedly created the New Republic by defeating an older, much more rational government called the Empire. And, I might add, it is fortunate for us that he did; the Empire was vastly more organized, powerful, and potently militaristic. Lacking the internal divisions we have exploited so successfully in the New Republic, the Empire could have crushed our people utterly in their first encounter.”"
I also can imagine Vergere to have told Shimmra about Palpatine's power and menace quite enough and she was Palpatine's apprentice for a short time, so she should have known. So I presume too, that the YV would never ever had attacked Palpatine's Empire! If the rebels would not had been strong enough to blow the Empire up, the Yuuzhan Vong simply would have supported splinter groups like that of Zsinj to undermine the unity of the Empire. And now I think that Nom Anor did support somehow Fey'lya to become the new chancellor of the New Republic, so that he could put the invasion into action more effectively. In your weapon's list you forgot about the gravity well projector, which Thrawn did steal from the Vagaari, which could counterbalance the effects of the Dovin Basals. Another question is, if Thrawn could have thwarted the YV takeover, if left alive. Actually the YV should have been grateful to the Noghri for that service of having eliminated THE strategic mastermind able to counter their strategies - maybe by analyzing a statue of a Yun-Yammka.
It’s too bad that the clone of Thrawn died too (due to a poorly designed security system), he would have been an incredible asset to the war effort.
The Flood from Halo VS The Yuuzhan Vong
Darth Vader vong would be susceptible to flood infection so the flood would win
yeah they would be VERY susceptible to infection and the last thing you want is to give flood planet sized bio mass hunks that can travel through space. That would instantly give them key minds which would make them unstoppable without halo rings or something very similar.
How about Flood-infected Yuuzhan Vong vs the rest on the galaxy
+HeroicASF Oh damn.
Flood infested world ships yeaaaaaa!
ARC troopers vs elite ultras
Spartan Abrams range combat would be in favor of the elites but relatively a even fight however close quarters the elites would cut through ark troopers simply because of how genetically superior elites are, there way stronger faster poses superior armor and shielding and there tactical skill is on par with ark troopers
Spartan Abrams . Elites
Elites wouldn't be able to handle Null- or Alpha-class ARCs. But if they went against the new pussy ARCs, then yeah, Elites win.
+SolePuma But Alpha ARCS have lasers, sturdy armor, free will, and were trained by Jango Fett himself.
Death Trooper elites havent fought droids, they have fought humans, SPARTANS, have superior sheilding, stand at 8ft, are fast as hell, carry splasma rifles (more deadly then lasers) and energy swords, sticky plasma bombs, and active camouflageing. arc troopers dont even get standardly equiped with jet packs, they just get blaster rifles like all other clones.
With the Galaxy Gun, Death Star 2, the Eclipse and the Sun Crusher there is no possibility of the Vong winning the war.
Add in 25K ISD's alone, and well....
Add in at least like 30 friggin Super Class Cheese Wedges of varying types + Wayland Clones + Joruus C'Baoth+ CLOAKING DEVICES+ Katana Fleet+ Dark Luke+ Luuke Skywalker+ World Devastators+ ~20k Victory SDs+ Unknown amount of Interdictor Cruisers = Rebels won because they had better star fighters. LOL B-Wings FTW!
TheClawGaming
Super weapons don't matter if the supply lines have been destroyed or the weapon itself has been flanked. Production of standard equipment is more important.
And World Devistators, as well as commanders like Thrawn, Daala, and Paelleon. They also have no qualms against using biological weapons and terror.
Patrick Except the Empire was not built to fight the rebels and guerrilla warfare. Its why the Empire seemed like they didnt care about Rebels. Even then Palpatine would’ve won if it wasnt for Vader. He was building a large military to combat the superweapons of the Vong and their weapons. The darkside was much more effective against them.
I remember one of the books from the EU cannon mentioned that. The Yuuzhan Vong had come to the conclusion in Universe that the Galactic Empire was more efficient than the New Republic and would have won the war. The Vong would have had to many losses.
So in short:
The empire would win because of "Unlimited Power!"
Godzilla VS the Millennium Falcon (Because why not)
Yes lets do it.
Ethan Meskin finally!!
Sidious ( Do it ) lol.
The Immortal Super Being You mean DEWIT
Ethan Meskin GOD VS ALLAH cuzz y not
The Yuuzhan Vong really makes the Star Wars story make sense. The threat of an outside force really helps to provide the incentive and motivation for the Empire and how they were developing advanced war tools (Death Stars) to keep the galaxy under their control and also combat the Vong.
Except Palpatine had no intention of protecting the Galaxy. He wouldve used them to allow the destruction of the outer rim which would've resulted in just as many planets destroyed and hundreds of trillions dead. We're not talking about a benevolent leader here.
I don't believe the NR had enough Jedi to sway the balance outside a relatively small number of the battles of a galaxy wide war. It wasn't the 10 thousand Jedi of the OR.
Palpatine not the hero we deserve but the hero we need. Looking at it he done everything to prepare for this war.
1. Control the chaos and militarize.
2. Tarkin doctrine of terror ensures loyalty by fear not bloodshed as the Vong could have superior numbers.
3. Vong could handle light force users but dark force users especially lightning were deadly to them.
4. Empire would settle the it in space not on planet side where Vong would be stronger.
5. Any empire officer wouldn’t have any qualms of using the bio weapon.
6. Collateral damage isn’t an issue.
Also from what we see in EP456 it seems the Empire has set their sights elsewhere as they weren’t really seriously dealing with the rebel’s. I mean Luke and Leia grew up not as slaves to the empire but had pretty much a normal life except the empire was like a Galactic wide government.
OR we can have NR with a fleet of purple haired commanders ramming Vong ships using hyperspace.
Uh... Tarkin doctrine ensured the Empire's downfall. Lots of people were terrified of the giant battlestation that could blow up planets. Without a good explanation from the Imperial News, they assumed Palps had gone mad with power and was likely to blow up planets at the drop of a hat. Which naturally lead to massive anti Imperial support and the expansion of the Rebel Alliance, eventually leading to the Empire's downfall. Moreover, the Tarkin Doctrine's fear only doesn't come from bloodshed due to the blood of the billions of bodies being vaporized in a planet killing explosion. Nom Anor would have a field day with that.
Okay, fascist bootlicker.
Yes the Infinite Empire could've defeated the Yuuzhan Vong they were able to defeat the celestials who were seriously advanced also they were cannibilastic killers btw great video 😄
Joshua Lansell-Kenny Yes nur the Empire is far more powerful than the Rakatan infinite empire.
But with the help of the star forge they would win.
But become hideous blood lusted killers such a shame that's only sorta kinda canon right now :-(
Joshua Lansell-Kenny I don't think so the only thing that made the infinite empire so powerful was their connection to the force after they lost their power their empire were destroyed and the yuuhzan vong couldn't be effected by the force
Force couldn't directly harm the Vong but could augment Force users abilities, shadow bombs, TK objects ect - But remember Kyp was the only survivor of his starfighter squad V the Vong early on now imagine regular Imps pilots and how they would fare..
We don't know that they defeated the Celestials.
Yuuzhan Vong versus The Borg. I think the Borg could defeat them.
Catpirate they could assimilate the entire weaponry systems of the Vong
The Borg are very slow I don't know why there such a threat except for there adaption but seeming that Species 8472 give them a hard time The Yuuzhan Vong would kick there ass too.
The Immortal Super Being The Borg have trouble assimilating things that kill a lot of them instantly. The weapons of Species 8472 were powerful enough to destroy an entire cube in a single shot, or a whole planet if several of them worked together.
Not the post Voyager Borg, when they became an absolute joke
Ethan Meskin Not necessarily. The Borg can't have great difficulty adapting to defend against projectile based weapons. The Yuuzhan Vong weapons fire balls of magma. I can't see the Borg being able to adapt.
Next Matchup: Anakin Skywalker vs. sandy beach?
>Move planet busters to the edge of the galaxy
>shoot super planet buster weapons at the world ships
>done
As said in one of my favorite animes, " in order to beat a demon , be a demon yourself " . The Empire's ruthlessness alone would overwhelm the YZ.
Preston J Cole Vs Grand Admiral Thrawn
Spartan Abrams can't do it. Why do people keep asking this?
Dreymannn Meh I don't know
Spartan Abrams you should ask for the unsc navy versus the imperial navy it would be more plausible for ekharts to do
Kingx Kai117 Imperial navy led by thrawn vs UNSC navy led by Cole?
A cool fight but it would have to stick to a battlegroup v battlegroup due to the imperials having a larger navy altogether
Spartan Abrams He shouldn't do it. He's not military, nor does he know how they think. They fought two different types of enemies with two different types of technology. It's like putting George Washington against General Patton. It's stupid and wouldn't work. Putting the fleets against each other is a different story. Though, the UNSC would still get beat. Especially if it was an even fight. The UNSC got destroyed countless times by the covenant and in most cases, the star wars ship wins. Soo
UNSC and the Sangheili Alliance vs The Galactic Empire.
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I want that video too, but to be honest, the Empire will obviously win easily. The UNSC and even Pre-War Covenant combined only controlled portions of the Orion Arm, while the Empire controlled 3/4 of the Galaxy (More specifically 100 Million worlds while the United Earth Government controlled roughly 800~ and the Pre-War Covenant controlled several thousand). The empire had so many resources compared to them that I think its safe to say that the UNSC, even with Sangheili help, will be crushed.
Some Random Guy The UNSC was primitive compare to their now extinct enemy , the Covenant empire , recently they've upgraded to 3rd teir civilization , they are like successors to the forunners.
The weaponry of UNSC is now a hybrid of Forerunner and Sangheili weapons according to Halo wiki. Resources , yeah I can agree they definitely got crush there but the weaponry is no longer bullets anymore...
Humanity was already Tier 3 in the Early War, don't you mean Tier 2? And I really don't think the new technology the UNSC has will be able to deal a significant blow to the empire. The UNSC's AI technology, is, however, more advanced then the empire's, even before the upgrade (the Empire's AI Technology is shitty and nothing really impressive), so the UNSC might have a strategic advantage thanks to that, and a even more of a strategic advantage if the war is fought in their space, and their Railguns would probably deal serious damage to a Star Destroyer's Hull and Shield. But at the end, for once, brute strength wins over advanced technology (despite being already relatively similar technologically)
Since this is legends the empire would have a lot of Inquisitors. And the EU Inquisitors were easily as powerful as most Jedi. So the first negative is not accurate at all
Empire v Yuuzhan Vong: Empire victorious!
Disney Canon v Yuuzhan Vong: that’s the real end to the Franchise.
This would have been so much better for a film trilogy instead of SJW protagonist ways
There's still room for a Vong Invasion though. I mean, holy shit, if the ending of The New Order ended with a massive Vong Fleet coming in as the heroes championed their defeat of the First Order, god, damn. That shit would be crazy.
"oh....guess a planet busting superweapon would be handy now...dang!
I have given up about the sequel trilogy and the Disney Canon. I don't wast my time with this bad fan fic full of plotholes and illogical changes etc
I only enjoy the mountain of EU left, SW TH-cam, SW Games and perhaps the stand alone Disney movies because Rogue One was really not that bad.
They don't do it. Or they'll change the Vong too much considering you can see a lot of parallels between the YV and Radical Islam.
Being a fan of the sequel, I actually agree!!!!
Trillions of combat droids, and biological weapons.
Xenomorph VS Star wars
Era: After The Clone wars
SID I feel like the empire would've just used flamethrower droids to deal with them
The Thing would have more success against the Empire than Xenomorphs. The Empire has better tech than the Colonial Marines, and is more used to combating strange and horrifying aliens. The CMs were completely unprepared for fighting Xenomorphs and did not take the threat seriously until it was too late. The Empire would not make that mistake. They would also take the "Nuke the site from orbit" strategy everywhere they even suspected there *might* be a Xenomorph nest. The Empire wouldn't have much trouble with Xenomorphs. The Thing, that could become much more interesting.
Empire stomps. Any planet that is found to be infected is either cleansed or, if the infestation is too large, BDZ'd.
Providence class Command ship smaller version vs the MC80 home one type Star Cruiser
Lure the Vong into star system. Blow up that system with the Sun Crusher. No defense the Vong have could block a supernova as it hits every inch of the vessel and they had pinpoint black holes not shields for defense. Sure the black hole would absorb the star at that spot but not every bit surrounding that spot.
It's basically the same weakness they had against torpedoes, they could block one or two but not a barrage of them.
The covenant in halo at their peak vs the galactic empire!
bryan beane Now that is very interesting since Covenant have less ships but their ships are mostly more powerful. Plus they would win on ground.
Good fight
Spartan Abrams less ships? The covenant at their peak had easily 10s of thousands of ships or more.
that's adorable the empire hade tens of thousands of ships from lowly caravels to the biggest star destroyers and trillions of people
lol. not even close.
I do know that Elites, Brutes etc are much more savage and powerful compared to your average Stormtrooper
AT-AT vs CIS Super Tank (don't remember it's real name)
You mean from the second battle of Geonosis? Cause I think they were literally just called Super Tanks, so your memory serves you well young padawan.
Just ram it and call it a day
But the Super Tanks are too slow to ram unlike the Republic's Juggernauts.
This video is great! I really would like to see a Star Wars movie where this happens although we never would. I agree with you 100%, and would see the destruction of the Yuuzhan Vong 10 out of 10 times. Although a formidable foe, they would realistically be crushed just like the rebel alliance should have been.
I think the Empire vs Vong thing is the best Star Wars fan theory period. The only flaw is it is better writing than George Lucas is capable of. Just like Han and Luke fighting over the affections of Princess Leia before whoops she's Luke's sister - well if Lucas had intended it (he should have!) durign the battle over Death Star 2 why didn't the Emperor reveal the Vong threat, to both try to turn Luke but also rally the alliance? Luke announcing they should stop, with the imperial fleet and death star stopping shooting then waves of video on the Vong threat could have stopped the rebellion in its tracks. The Emperor - proven to be a brilliant Machievellian leader as much as a dictator - could have then rallied former rebels to fight alongside imperials against the Vong and had a lasting Empire forged of necessity. "I wished to prevent panic... To spare the peoples of the Galaxy the horror of the evil emerging from the dark between the galaxies until we stood a chance of fighting back... But I hid this too well, and they only saw me as what I hate the most...a dictator...which I have become... Tell me, would it not be easier to merely rule Naboo and a few other planets on the rim? What wealth is worth all I have strived for, now a withered husk aged many years than I have? I did this all for every one of you, every living being in the galaxy. Hate me if you must, but please, please put aside our petty differences and fight alongside each other for the shadow that approaches is far worse!"
GreenGestalt Some of the Vong books are good, some aren't. There's like 20 written by many different authors.
None of them are as creative of stories as Lucas wrote.
There is a flaw in that logic, the Emperor is a Sith.. and everyone knows what they really want.
zam023 ....? And... what I was saying. If the Emperor knew about the Vong, that would in a way justify his evil power grabbing actions. Fleets of Star Destroyers and several Death Stars would have wiped out the force immune Vong. The Emperor could have unveiled the threat during the Endor battle and likely turned much of the rebels to his side. Then the Sith would rule the Galaxy as heroes and saviors and the legacy of the Jedi an embarrassing memory.
Christus Regnet Which of the books are good?
Maybe because Palpatine wanted to destroy everyone who opposed him, remember, he unknowingly created the Rebel Alliance just because he wanted to wipe out his enemies.
MLG Global league CSGO players vs Yuuzhan vong
Can you do Tau Empire vs The Covenant please?
Valkorion's Eternal Empire vs Galactic Empire around the time of episode 5,no Death Star.
Yet it still lost to the rebels. :P
temor 511 Guerilla warfare. Also Sidious>Valkorion.
I say technology takes it. Unless the Republic stagnated technologically or backtracked at some point, they are thousands of years ahead.
Stargate replicators vs the star wars empire.
This would be interesting as the replicators are immune to energy weapons and can't be wiped out using an overwhelming force. If you do, they will board your ships and absorb them. Now you have given your entire fleet over to the replicators and your most advanced technology to them.
technically they aren't immune to energy weapons as shown in the beginning of season 8 when 3 Asgard vessels destroy the replicator ship with directed energy weapons. they are able to absorb energy. Its just that on an infantry scale staff weapons and zats and the like such as blasters wouldn't be able to overcome the ability of a basic replicator to absorb the energy. Basically ship scale weaponry might be able to do it but ground combat and ship boarding actions would only be a losing battle unless the empire deployed slugthrowers.
SWG has ion cannons. Replicators are at least offline for a bit. Hand-held ion guns like the Jawas use would become prevalent.
I'm not so sure that they would be permanently useful. Just like the ARG disruptors I think the replicators would rapidly adapt to the ion weapon technology
+Ed Lippincott Which would allow the Emperor time to find where they needed to be and remove them. I'm also not sure that the replicators would be able to ignore it all, though they might be able to make a shield against it.
As usual, if you take the Emperor out of the equation, things get a lot worse for the Empire. Knowing *something's* happening is a huge boost to your chances. Knowing where is even better.
my reasoning is that they were able to adapt to something that actually renders them inert for good by disrupting their internal communications. Obviously that would leave little time
to gather evidence to adapt. Ion weapons are just directed energy weapons (see absoption) that are tailored to disrupt electronics temporarily or permanently depending on plot armor. this would give the replicators a greater chance to quickly adapt to them.
Palpatine was actually preparing a new suit for vader in return of the Jedi
In defense of the argument Han Solo put out in that novel at the beginning.....
This is the "Legends" Han Solo who already saw two Death Stars, one "The Tarkin" in comics, one Eclipse Canon, the Sun Crusher, The Darksaber (failed and thus what he could be referring to in the first place in this context)
Not to mention things that were stated to be "more powerful than the Death Star" like the World Devastators..... so he kinda has a huge point that, um, yeah, Empire would've just focused efforts on superweapons...
sonic8005 but those super weapons would have been way more useful on them then they were on the rebels
Until you cut off their supply chain. Production of standard equipment and well trained commanders would probably be a better investment. Look at what happened in Russia and Austria-Hungary during WW1 or Germany and Japan during WW2. Lots of superweapon ideas but they couldn't produce enough standard equipment to meet demand.
Russia and Austria-Hungary had NO super weapon ideas during WWI. What the fuck are you smoking?
Bob Reno They missed because the empire phased out clone troopers after they attacked Kamino in order to avoid any opportunities for clone rebellions in future.
Without the Kaminoans cloning technology the empire was forced to essentially draft standard men and women rather than born to fight clones.
501st storyline in Battlefront 2 is the source
Bob Reno To be fair to the rest of the Galaxy, part of the point of the Clone Wars was to spread the Republic fleet out all over the Galaxy, generally absorbing the local defense forces in the process. It's a lot easier to dominate a large swath of territory when you already control the vast majority of the military power in that area. Not saying they didn't bulk up their own military, just that they started off on a damn good foot.
the Flood Versus the Replicators from Stargate, in the Star Wars Galaxy
321gman I'll put my money on the replicators because they where from Atkins created them and they have the Billy to make the Ancients motherships in other Cruisers which have those drones
well, I was thinking of the original Replicators from SG1, but still
I prefer to think about dropping on Thing (from the Carpenter movie) into the lower parts of Coruscant. There, it can start infecting people where the authorities do not go, and assemble a whole legion of infected before it goes to the surface, and by then there would be too many Things to stop. They would have to quarantine the planet.
irllcd13 thats pretty interesting.
Halo Grunts vs battle droids!
I don't know who would win. But it would be funny for sure! :D
Battle droids win
The Unbidden (Stellaris) vs The Forrunners and Old Humanity
I am late here but I would say since the Vong didn't have a child of Darth Vader and turn the Noghri, or magic hyperspace whales to save them...Empire wins cause Thrawn is amazing. But that assumes the Empire lets Thrawn lead...which they most certainly may not have.
Also should have mentioned that it also depends on if the Vong can keep their art out of Thrawn's sight 😀
Imagine a galaxy ruled by Revan as Emperor and Thrawn as Grand Moff. Yuuzhan Vong would never have dared to step into the Galaxy.
Can you do the arbiter from halo vs general grievous
The Rakata vs the Yuuzhan hmm...both completely brutal and savage, hard to think of it but they do have the starforge and many powerful weapons :/...idk a vid perhaps :D
The vong themselves said they couldn't beat the empire
Great analysis. Believe it to be spot on. The Empire would’ve crushed the vong! Long live the true order of the Empire!
Lol. So, they couldn't stop some rebels, but theywould have wiped the floor with a huge invasion of amish space orcs...
Come to think of it. The empire was litterally molded to be a yuzhan vong fighting force. looking at the huge ships and everything, they could destroy the vong easily. The empire wasnt designed to stop rebels.
The Empire (Star Wars) vs The Imperium of Mankind (WH40k). Full scale conflict. I need to see this.
I’d rather see a battle of the empire vs covenant. But you know what would be could the imperium vs the forerunners but very unfair because the forerunners run that vs
The Imperial navy with two Death Stars and star destroyers would've wiped the floor with the Yuuzhan Vong and let the survivors live in the galaxy
You are not thinking like a Imperial. Palpatine would counter invaded Vongs outside of the Galaxy if they can reach them. Sith despise weakness and actively seek the destruction of losers. Plus the imperial arrogance of the officer core of the Empire would not stop at chase the enemy out of the Galaxy either. I also think the video fail to account the effect of Darth Vader and 501st strike force. I personally believe Vader and his personal army and his Inquisitors would make up for the lack of Jedis and would be more of a match to the new Jedi order if Palpatine decide to get physical and unleashing the "full power of the Dark Side." For the non Jedi military commander personalities of the New Republic, Thrawn alone would have made up for all the non-Jedi military commander personalities of the New Republic
Wait, so are you saying you'd take a bunch of random inquisitors over the solos and the rest of the New Jedi Order? I'm with you on everything else but man that's getting to be a stretch. Still, think the Empire would have handily beat the Vong but yeah.
Han Solo is Mr. plot armor. I never find his character interesting other than generic even in the 70s. I think Emperor+Vader+501 clones+Inquisitors+imperial agents could match up against the New Jedi albeit inferior.
You think Vader + Palpatine couldn't match up against Solo twins? Generic Inquisitors might be inferior to generic Jedi but I'm tossing in 501 clones and Imperial Agents in to even the odds. Furthermore, Vader and Palpatine might train some Starkiller, Darth Maul, or Ventress level Sith Assassins if the Inquisitors are truly outmatched by Vongs melee specialists.
On the other hand, the Imperial fleets and Thrawn would wiped floor with non-force aspects of the New Republic. My bet is Empire would not only defeat Vong faster and more efficient than the New Republic, they would also launch a successful genocidal counter invasion against Vongs.
The ships of the Far Outsiders were very large. The perfect target for super weapons.
If the Vong attacked Naboo and destroyed Padme Resting place , Vader would yeet himself on a Vong world Ship and Tear it from Inside out
Oh, i assumed that the Yuzhan vong would invade before the rebellion
Covenant invasion fleet vs Umbara.
DHG Chill Leader Arthur Unless the umbarans have anything forerunner down there Covenant are just going to glass em
Spartan Abrams The Umbarans have a fleet of ships protecting the planet, with more advanced technology than the Covenant.
I hate that the Vong are no longer cannon. They were such an interesting enemy. I loved that arch.
They were like did for the EU what the Dominion arch did for DS9. Gave the entire story line a much needed kick of adrenaline.
I love these videos. Dalek Empire vs Empire as suggested by Johnny Kilroy.
+NoStepOnSneek
The Dalek would definitely win.
i will change the comment to your suggestion m8. sounds cool
"This is not war. This is pest control."
+Ed Lippincott
Stormtroopers are superior in only one respect...
*They are better at dying* !
Johnny Kilroy Stormtroopers aren't horrible they are actually -really- pretty good it's just because there helmets and there guns have horrible knock back
I actually think , and so do many other's opinion of the Empire . The Empire seems to have weapons designed to take out things that specifically the yhuuzhan vong create , even so far as to not have shields on tie fighters because the vong actually had things that could feed off of shields.
Even if Palpatine/Empire did not know about the YV their sheer brutality and ruthlessness would get things started.
There is a group wanting to take over our Galaxy.
"You may fire when ready."
Also by this time the TIE fighter would have been phased out for the superior TIE Avengers.
Invisible hand vs the truth and reconciliation.
Wonderful video!
The Empire would most definitely win!
Chance some could live on as slaves? Empire loves it's slaves
+Tom C. you know an enemy is well written if you response like that. And you get in the war feeling aswell just thinking about it. Shame star wars didnt show that
I believe the Rakata Infinite Empire could defeat the Yuuzhan Vong, simply because of the massive advantage that the Star Forge would afford them. Being able to produce entire fleets of warship and armies of droids in mere years if not months, as well as their prowess with the dark side. The Yuuzhan Vong just wouldn't be able to counter that.
I always thought that all those superweapons and focus on capital ship firepower was much more suited for fighting the vong and their worldships, than for the figther focused rebells.
The Borg versus The Flood? Both hiveminds but very different
Ethan Meskin flood r the superior hive mind and besides if it has a nervous system it's susceptible to the infection
Kingx Kai117
I See you in all Flood related comments 😅 good Job dude ^_^
That would end like Colossus the forbin project they would size each other up and deside to merge keeping the best of both lol
Retribution class battleship from wh40k vs executor class Dreadnought for the 10th time
Normandy SR-2 vs Raider-class corvette
The Imperial Remnant was going toe to toe with the Yuzhan vong while the New Republic was getting hammered. Read Star Wars Destiny's Way to see more
Yuuzhang vong: takes the battle to the ground
Death Star 2 : destroy the ground
I think Palpy would've let the Yuuzhan Vong take enough of the galaxy to justify his existence as its protector.
I wonder if the Yuuzhan Vong would've then been able to to take enough from an overconfident Palpy to turn the tide vs the galaxy, and then internal factions inside of the Empire broke it apart.
Further, I wonder if Palpy would've committed his super weapons (or worse, Thrawn) too early. It took a series of lopsided losses before the Galaxy developed the tactics to avoid blowout losses. It could otherwise be argued that the Empire would've known about the YV tech that rendered lasers useless in the early stages.
TL;DR The Emperor was not above error and would've found a way to screw it up.
Yeah, Palpatine not telling anyone about the threat or giving evidence, really seems to tilt the answer towards "The Imperial remnant is more likely covering their predecessor's ass, and, even if Palps did know he didn't give a crap about the galaxy, since he didn't freaking tell anyone!" From what I've seen, all this about Palps knowing of the Yuuzhan Vong, happens well into their invasion, when it's bloody obvious that they're a major threat, as opposed to before. Sounds like someone's making shit up.
How about the Eternal Empire vs Galactic Empire.
Probably GE just because technology and navy size
Dalek Command Saucer vs Star Destroyer.
Johnny Kilroy depends on the star destroyer
Good idea:)
One sided AF. The Daleks won the fucking time war.
Absolutely.
Me and my boys fighting the Yuuzhan Vong:
Me, a former Imperial(then a Senator): The Empire would have easily beat the Yuuzhan Vong! Grand Admiral Thrawn had a plan and everything, before you fucking killed him!
My friend and fellow commander, a former Rebel: That’s a nice argument, Senator. Why don’t you back it up with a source?
Me: My source is that I made it the fuck up!
Buzz Light-year vs. Han Solo (because why not?)
Prothean scourge (Stellaris) vs Zerg
Prethoryn Scourge*
Timur
Me too
Prothean Scourge vs Yuuzhan Vong.
The Protheans are from Mass Effect. You're thinking of the Prethoryn.
Sigiswulf
Yep.