Friendly Reminder: KOTOR references the Yuuzhan Vong in one the conversations with Canderous. He talks about an asteroid that shot back at him when he and several Mandalorians were hunting pirates on the edge of the Rim.
If I remember correctly, he said he saw an "asteroid-fighter" thing which was most definitely the coral skipper starfighter of the Vongs with one purpose at hand, spying. It's fascinating they had an entire espionage system thousands of years before their galactic invasion, I guess they really needed survey of all the empires, star systems, technological development etc of the galaxy.
I can't imagine the Emperor doing anything that wasn't for his own good. If he did any preparations against the vong it was to protect his own power and nothing more.
It really does fall apart when you think about it. "Oh no a threat that could wipe out our galaxy but we need an army to stop it, I know I will work behind the scenes to create a different threat dividing the galaxy to give me a smaller army"
Noek literally just counterintuitive lol, people that believe the Yuzan Vong theory just want to believe every character is as nuanced as anakin or luke
Isn't that the plot to the game- Fable3. A dark forces threatens the kingdom of Albion so the current king(your older brother) does all he can to raise an army, even it means destroying the kingdom in the process.
World Ships..... Death Star.... Intercept them before they can disperse.... No Vong. Their gravity drive is impressive, but it would take a dead on shot to gobble the Death Star beam and then you'd have an ACTUAL blackhole if it did, that would go onto obliterate the world ship in any case. One small enough that it would radiate like a star and pass right through the world ship's walls like they were not there... Before exploding... Dat be physics babe!
It is still Canon. We need a Thrawn and Vuuzhan Vong movie. When I first heard of a new sequel movie after ROTJ, I was super hyped because i was hoping they would make movies involving Thrawn and the Galactic Alliance and Vuuzhan Vong and the continuation of Han Solo and Luke's Jedi Destiny and the death of Chewbacca.
It's very likely both. His primary concern is power and control over the Galaxy. He would have seen the Yuuzhan Vong as a threat to that power and would have done anything to get rid of them.
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Palpatine: I am Darkness personified. Abeloth: That's cute.
I think its pretty clearly stated that the Yuuzhan Vong were the primary reason for his massive military buildup. This gets mentioned a lot in the hand of thrawn series, outbound flight, and Survivors Quest amongst others if I remember correctly.
"That's not what the Empire would have done, Commander. What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done." - Han Solo
This was one of my favorite Legends moments lol. The part when Grand Admiral Pellaeon says basically the same thing to an Imperial Moff was equally as funny.
This. The main crux of this is that Palpatine would do whatever it took to secure his Empire from threats. Not for the people in it, but so he could continue to dominate it.
Palpatine: long have I waite- Everyone: how many times do we have to teach you a lesson, old man! Sorry for the new star wars reference, I had to, even tho it hurts.
@@zelithfang2365 You also made a bit of a Spongebob Reference as well Because that how many times do we have to tell you old man is a line used from an episode of SpongeBob from the early 2000's
I always smile when I see the Death Star blow up over endor, knowing that so many ewoks got cooked in the moon wide fires brings me peace and contentment.
Palps gave up on Death Stars as they were huge, took alot of time to build and expensive as hell So he built the most powerful Mary Sue force user in the Galaxy
Was Palpatine trying to protect the galaxy from the Yuuzhan Vong? Yes, absolutely. Was that a primary driving force behind any of the major decisions he claims to have done with that in mind? NOPE.
Do you have any videos describing the variuos ranking systems of : 1) The Clone ranks 2) The Jedi ranks 3) The Sith ranks 4) The Ranks in the Republic fleets 5) The ranks in the Seperatist fleets 5) The Variety of Underground occupations
2:10 I think that there was at least a decent amount of truth to Palpatine's vocalised intentions of preventing the Outbound Flight encountering the Yuuzhan Vong, even if it was only to prevent them from disrupting his plan. The novel takes place in 27 BBY so if the Vong had come across the Outbound Flight and decided to immediately invade the main galaxy then Palpatine's plans for manipulating the Clone Wars would be ripped to shreds as - aside from the Jedi - there'd be very little to stop the Vong's advance, especially as the Clone Army was still years away from being able to deploy the first generations of troopers. On top of that, there's uncertainty of how the Senate would respond but due to the limitations of the Ruusan Reformation that were still in effect (mainly the lack of a galactic army) then the Vong would probably advance further than they did against the New Republic, unless Palpatine ordered groups like the Trade Federation and any other Separatist backers Dooku had gathered by that point to mass produce Battle Droids in the millions or billions to stop the advance.
I've said it before, and I'll say it now. Palpatine had no idea of the Vong. Because, if he *imagined* the existence of an external threat, he would have used it. He would have justified every loss of freedom, every massacre, as necessary to "protect the lives of your children". "Those Terrorists, that call themselves the 'Rebel Alliance' destroyed the Peace Moon*, the Galaxies' only hope of surviving the coming threat. If you know anything about these terrorists, report them to your local garrison. They are actively aiding the end of our way of life." *Palps would also probably blame them for Alderaan.
Mario Valerian You think book sales matter to them more than movie sales? Hell the only thing Star Wars related activity I’m planning on doing this month is reading through the New Jedi Order Book series that I’m expecting to get for Christmas.
Nobody who paid attention to the joy Palpatine took in his completely unnecessary cruelty would fool themselves into believing he has any good intentions.
So what about that: Palpatine knew about the coming invasion, and that's why he focused on the death stars that much. Its not about protecting the galaxy and its inhabitants from bloodthirsty invaders but punishing those pitiful intruders who dare to challenge his absolute rule?
I don't think the Vong were the Primary, or even Second or third reason why he built the Death Star. Just because it could be used against them, doesn't mean that was his motivator.
It makes sense for Palpatine to build super weapons and consolidate power to deal with a threat to his power. As Machiavelli noted small numbers of powerful people just below you makes an overthrow more likely. When you have thousands of governors who need a least a few hundred to resist to hope to win and only one betrayal to doom them it is far less likely to happen than if you only need 4 or 5 guys to rebel to have a chance. A centralized command is best for dealing with a powerful enemy. Not to protect the galaxy, but to deal with a threat to his own power. And after the war Palpatine would simply find excuses to murder anyone who might become a threat until it once more take a large group plan an overthrow.
It would be within Palpatine's character to at least somewhat build up an army/fleet to counter the Yuuzhan Vong. He can't rule over an empire of ashes, so it would be an act of self preservation of his power.
Palpatine was simply too much of a sociopath to care about protecting the galaxy from the Vong. Best case scenario: he devastates the Vong to keep them from playing with what he thinks are his toys -- because the galaxy belongs to him, and him alone. Oh, he'd certainly want people to THINK he had their wellbeing in mind, but in reality, as far as Palpatine is concerned, power isn't a means to an end -- it's an end in itself.
If the emperor knew about the Yuuzhan Vong then imho if he thought his rule would last long enough for them to arrive (debatable) then building a vast military to stop them from threatening your rule seems like a no brainer
How many times do I have to point out that the Vong don't follow from the death of Palpatine. They can come later or something, maybe a few generations later once the Galaxy has started to recover.
Fuck no. Disney would butcher the Yuuzhan Vong and the story would end up a diseased imitation. Hope they stay far away from my favorite part of Legends.
About the outbound flight,he is 1000% true about it though.from what I understand (new to starwars) the vong hate tech and that's why all theirs is biobased.if they saw the outbound flight ships it would give them greater motive to invade wouldnt it because they could see it as tech trying to "infect" their systems.
It's not really a fan theory it was his stated goal in many books. It makes Palpatine a way deeper character, all his plotting and murdering and even the mass oppression was all a tool to harden the Galaxy against a threat beyond their comprehension. Though after that I'm sure he would've continued to run a sith empire. Thanks for reminding me about the star wars I really love.
Too me the Emperor is one of the few truly evil beings in fiction so while yeah in part he probably wanted these weapons to kill the Vong but that’s because they are a rival to his power. He would’ve still made them to have power of a bunch of super lasers anyway to have the power of planet killing lasers.
What do you think Palpatine would've done with the remaining Vong after eliminating the threat they posed? He definitely would've loved to reverse engineer their bio technology. Especially considering the fact that the force mainly runs through organisms, not so such machinery like droids.
Why can't it be both? The Deathstar could have the dual purpose of enforcer of peace and breaker of worldships. I always imagine that the Eclipse SSDs were designed for that dual purpose also. He doesn't have to save the galaxy through altruism, but because a ruler has to have something to rule. And the Vong perhaps were coming 'too early' and may have disrupted his plans for his own extra-galactic excursions.
Hey eck, not sure if your aware but Porsche (yes the car company) have revealed the design for the republic star fighter for rise of Skywalker. Cool to see real companies make designs for the movies
I mean it would probably send radioactive, superheated gas throughout the star system and would probably kill everyone in it. And if that didn't happen almost everyone would die anyways as all the planetary ecosystems die off.
If he really wanted to save the Galaxy wouldn't he have informed the Galaxy about them. That would have United the Galaxy and also prepared them for it
It would’ve been way better if this was underlying intent in the “sequel trilogy”... Well... just about anything would’ve been better but... They could’ve made the good guys kinda look like the bad guys... or whatever... Palpatine could’ve chastised them for their hubris and not seeing the bigger picture or something... Oh well.
I still believe the theory. The vong would've not only destroyed and assimilated all life but would have extinguished the force in the galaxy before moving on to the next. They would've taken everything from him. Ultimately not a benevolent motion, but it seems more likely he'd do anything to stop them. You didn't really need dozens of death stars and ssd's to control the galaxy, it'd be more manageable with hundreds of thousands of victory destroyers.
People tend to misinterpret nuance for complexity. And a whole lot of other things for complexity. Palpatine was a complex man, of wheels within wheels, like any sadistic dictator. But his goals were simple. "I want to rule. If not power, then nothing." Clear, simple goals; great tangling webs of means.
As a weapon of war, the Death Star is hilariously overbuilt. You don't need a 160km sphere to blow up a planet; an orbital bombardment from a handful of capital ships would accomplish the same thing. Palps could have build a thousand Star Destroyers, probably more, with the resources he put into the Death Star As a weapon of terror, though, that excess actually works in its favor. "If the Empire can build a 160km sphere just for shits and giggles, there's nothing that can possible stand in its way!"
I really don't like when people try to make a villain who's made to be pure evil like Palpatine and try to make him sound a little good in some kind of way. Evil be Evil!
i still don't know if people true believe that the empire was good or they're just joking. after all, the fact that the jedi, the republic and the rebels aren't perfect good doesn't mean the other side is good either
@@marrvynswillames4975 Yeah, people point out bad things the Jedi did, like the Sith Holocaust which was 5,000 f**king years ago, and saying it justifies Order 66 because it’s revenge on the Jedi(even though there’s only one Jedi alive during Order 66 who might have been around for the Sith Holocaust and he’s been hibernating as a tree for 4,000 years) and stuff like that, ignoring that the Sith have done even worse.
Personally, I th ink the nuanced villain-antihero crossbreed is a trope that's much too prevalent. It's nice to occasionally find a character that is straight-up what it appears to be. I've heard the argument for lazy writing, but -- on the other hand -- not everything is complicated; in-context, I think the "black hole of the Force" explanation makes the most sense.
With that theory, you make it sound as if he were organising, before using the war against the Rebel Alliance as training for the Vong both practically and theoretically!
A conqueror protecting their spoils of war is a completely normal thing to do. Palpatine would most certainly be protecting the Star Wars galaxy, but it wouldn't be out of kindheartedness. I think you could still have a "good guy Palpatine" scenario while also having him weasel his way in to an autocratic position, as the republic _was_ corrupt, so a "good guy" doing that is not unbelievable, but how he would go about doing it, and his actions after achieving power would be very different. preparation
I never thought he would create the Empire to prepare for an invasion. But I like the idea that he did some stuff with the Empire in preparation. Especially stuff like the super weapons. After all, how can you control the galaxy, when you have to put resources towards fighting a war. The Republic showed that.
He definitely cared about staying in power and the vong were a threat to that. At least that’s how I see it. He could throw away millions of imperial lives and just shrug it off as long as he won.
I think Palpatine would have felt threatened by the Vong because they were disconnected from the force, and he'd have no way to detect and let alone control them through the force. Even if his plan was to defend the Galaxy from the Vong, his motives would still be selfish and for the sake of self-preservation. Still, I would have preferred it if the protection of the galaxy was his main motivation, and everything he did was for a 'greater good', because it would have added greater depth to his character instead of just leaving him as a one dimensional bad guy.
My brother and I were talking about this yesterday! We agreed with your perspective, with my brother adding that Palpy would’ve used the Jedi as fodder against the Vong instead of killing them off in Order 66.
I don't think the two are exclusive. 1: He was evil and wanted power. 2: If the Vong took him out he would not care about anyone else. 3: If he wanted to take other galaxies or all of the universe he would first need to defeat the Vong. 4: He would have let the Vong fester as long as it would benefit him, then he would move to wipe them out. and probably use it as justification to invade the Vong Galaxy. 5: the Death Stars and Fleets can, and are multi-purpose. Just because they build his power, they were also there to help him keep his power, even against the Vong. So he knew the Vong were a threat, and would have stopped them, not as so good move, but as anything else he did, to keep and even build more power. The Vong are not a Why he did it answer, they are just another cog.
I understand the appeal of the theory, since there's such a blank about Palpatine's motivations beyond accumulating power. All his complicated double dealing is hard to keep track of, and he's never really honest with anybody, least of all, the audience.
What if Palpatines visions of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion was the determining factor in him turning to the dark side in the first place? Such as Anakin seeing Padme die before seeking out a way to change what he saw in his vision, and inevitably finding the darkside and losing his path of saving Padme. Palpatine seeking the power to stop the invasion he saw in a vision of the future, and then falling to the darkside and seeking only power instead of his goal.
Though Palpatine isn’t nuanced as you put it, allow me to put a counterargument. Though Palpatine did want his empire to be for him and him alone, he was never foolish in his endeavors leading up to the formation of the Empire. Consolidation of further power was definitely on his agenda the entire time, however he would also more than likely prepare for any potential threats. In essence, Palpatine would most likely have built his military force both for his benefit and as a semi-defensive measure against the Yuuzang Vong. He was aware of them and would most likely blow them to smithereens the moment he figured out where they were. Other than that power and immortality were his only goals. What I am trying to say is that I can believe the theory that the Vong got Palpatine’s attention in some small way but I doubt he made every single decision to counter the Vong.
Disney won't do the Vong in movies because they won't want to make scary Vong toys. Instead, they'll do the same basic story, but replace the Vong with the Chiss.
Actually, I believe the Death Star's main purpose was to keep the galaxy from rebelling while the Empire militarizes and fortifies the galaxy to prepare for possible Vong invasions. Then the plan was also to militarize to the point where the Empire could conquer other galaxies.
I'm sure that Palpatine intended to save the galaxy from the Vong... _because it suited his ego._ "Only I have the _vision_ needed for days to come. I'm afraid that the rest of you _simply_ have too _small_ of a mindset to contemplate the measures that will be required. Clarity of vision, strength of power, promptness of speed, and decisiveness of commitment shall be required in equal measure, all of which I comprehend in full." To view himself as the only possible savior of the galaxy is precisely the sort of thing that would tempt the ego of Palpatine. Whether he would be correct in his assessment... well, the ego rarely bows to truth.
Would be interesting to see a what if book about the Vong and the other Droid races not going to war and living in relative peace only to have a Galaxy spanning force of Palpatine invading their Galaxy.
How I'd fight the Vong would be to mass produce the Eclipse class SSDs or put a super laser or massive rail gun on the Viscount-class Star Defender and mass produce them. The Mon Calamari ships are better at providing cover while the Imperial designs are generally better at throwing a lot of fire power on a target so I'd use both kinds in a fleet. Also employ droids when ever possible just to anger the Vong and make them mess up their tactics or even squander their forces in suicide attacks.
If the Vong ever come back their motivation needs to involve Palpatine in some way. Maybe they saw him as a threat and wanted to stop him before he attacked them, but arrived too late mad didn't realize he was gone.
#askeck Why didn't any Imperials express concern over the nonexistent line of succession? After all, Palpatine was in his eighties at Endor and very few people knew he was a Sith lord with plans for immortality.
Common interests. Palpatine's primary goal was to gain power, but power is meaningless if everything you rule gets obliterated by the Yuuzhan Vong. Was Palpatine trying to protect the galaxy? Yeah. Was Palpatine's core motivation protecting the galaxy? No.
I feel like the 300 trillion who died in the war didn't really care if Palpatine was try to save the Galaxy or himself they probably wished the Death Star still there when they were being empaled by a Vong soldier
Interesting. The graphic novels tend to paint the picture stated in this video. The novels (even the ones meant to support the newest movies) seem to state he had a focus towards something... But I would agree. He's more into singlehandedly gaining power for himself. I see him using the Vong as a tool but I don't see him letting them get a solid foot within the Empire.
As some others have pointed out I think you are slicing this issue just very slightly off, most of these arguments could be made the other way. He didn't do it because he cared, he did it because he felt he needed the weapon. He also didn't build the entire warmachine to deal with that one threat, but think of it this way, he could've easily demilitarized the galaxy and gone back to ruling with ancient ways and sith magic, but if he did that the galaxy would be less able to defend itself. He chose these strategies and probably saw the death star and fleets as multipurpose, but he had to have them to defend. Just like a country building thousands of nukes that would effectively destroy the biosphere, no caring or change of motivations is required so scorched earth isn't relevant and who knows why he sacrificed that fleet, there could be a lot of reasons to get rid of it. For me its not about giving Palpatine a virtuous side, its about not taking him for a fool and respecting his skills at seeing the future and playing the game, something only the Skywalkers were able to subvert. If I sit down to play a strategy war game and know full well about an endgame threat, and I plan for it, then someone comes along and says I didn't build those units for the endgame threat because I only cared about winning the game/being dominant/being evil, that doesn't make any sense to me.
honestly, the vong coulda dealt with the DS1 and 2, they showed that their armadas could take down planatary defence platforms, sheilds, fleets, shipyards, whatever. all they had to do was not send a worldship and theyre fine. not to mention their plasma launchers would make short work of the surface after combined dovin basals ripped away the sheilding. and lets be honest here, TIE fighters have nothing on coralskippers.
I don't understand why that type of common-sense reasoning is beyond so many people. "what do you mean he doesn't want to rule over a pile of rubble?" expands beyond Palpatine and Star Wars.
First Palpatine can do both Protect the Galaxy and power himself, second yes maybe the Empire had some problems after his demise but in the end the Empire transcended from the whole Sith thing and become one with the New Republic together with the Jedi. The Empire won the end game with the formation of the Galactic Federation Triumvirate. Source: Star Wars Legacy.
You know the whole thing of not having a successor and the Dark Side being the lynchpin in why the GE fell kinda falls flat, when you have Thrawn who basically boosted morale back to pre-Endor levels among Imperial forces and nearly brought down the New Republic. Someone like Thrawn could have easily just taken successor of the Empire, they just had to get their shit together and not try to kill one another. Sure in the short term without those things from Palps, yeah the Empire would have fallen. But the Empire never truly fell, it merely just splintered off and then got back together and reformed, it just took a hell of a lot of time for everyone to get their act together. Thus we get the Imperial Remnant and then much later on the Fel Empire.
I thought we answered this question ages ago. He felt a dark presence but it couldn't have been the vong, the force has deserted them. Isn't that why jedi couldn't sense them????????????????????
I agree with everything you said here. The only canon instance That contradicts this argument is when Palpatine says, “finally, we shall have peace.” Anyway, interesting to think about.
Friendly Reminder: KOTOR references the Yuuzhan Vong in one the conversations with Canderous. He talks about an asteroid that shot back at him when he and several Mandalorians were hunting pirates on the edge of the Rim.
If I remember correctly, he said he saw an "asteroid-fighter" thing which was most definitely the coral skipper starfighter of the Vongs with one purpose at hand, spying. It's fascinating they had an entire espionage system thousands of years before their galactic invasion, I guess they really needed survey of all the empires, star systems, technological development etc of the galaxy.
Protecting the galaxy does protect himself, so I could see the Emperor do it.
Anil In I could also see him hiding away and letting everyone else defend themselves
but only if he is alive, if he is dead why would he defend the galaxy?
@@mikeleblanc2639 and then what? Be emperor of a ruin?
Well he can’t rule a galaxy that has been destroyed. But he certainly wasn’t doing it out of the kindness of gods heart.
@@mikeleblanc2639No, he doesn’t want to rule over corpses.
I can't imagine the Emperor doing anything that wasn't for his own good. If he did any preparations against the vong it was to protect his own power and nothing more.
I agree, he once told Vader to stop Force Choking people because he didn’t want to rule a kingdom of corpses.
If Sheev saved the galaxy from the vong he'd become a hero.
Those are my thoughts as well.
Plus repelling the Vong would make him much more popular support.. and justified his atrocities.
Not necessarily a bad way to ga about it
It really does fall apart when you think about it.
"Oh no a threat that could wipe out our galaxy but we need an army to stop it, I know I will work behind the scenes to create a different threat dividing the galaxy to give me a smaller army"
Noek literally just counterintuitive lol, people that believe the Yuzan Vong theory just want to believe every character is as nuanced as anakin or luke
@@astral_nemesis : Nuance is not a problem, but this is very _shallow_ nuance.
Isn't that the plot to the game- Fable3. A dark forces threatens the kingdom of Albion so the current king(your older brother) does all he can to raise an army, even it means destroying the kingdom in the process.
World Ships..... Death Star.... Intercept them before they can disperse.... No Vong. Their gravity drive is impressive, but it would take a dead on shot to gobble the Death Star beam and then you'd have an ACTUAL blackhole if it did, that would go onto obliterate the world ship in any case. One small enough that it would radiate like a star and pass right through the world ship's walls like they were not there... Before exploding... Dat be physics babe!
@@astral_nemesis Well its either that characters are nuanced or that media is shallow.
Palpatine was a sith at the core. He would want to protect the galaxy only to guard his power he didn't actually care for the lives of the galaxy
Pretty much.
Last time I was this early Legends was still canon.
Chris Wuebbolt enough
Oh silly Disney. I especially love how TLJ would be done if the first order used interdictors.
It still is Canon. To a great many people.
It is still Canon. We need a Thrawn and Vuuzhan Vong movie. When I first heard of a new sequel movie after ROTJ, I was super hyped because i was hoping they would make movies involving Thrawn and the Galactic Alliance and Vuuzhan Vong and the continuation of Han Solo and Luke's Jedi Destiny and the death of Chewbacca.
The distinction of canon/noncanon has no real meaning
Topic for next video: is Palpatine hiding from the intergalactic IRS in the unknown regions?
It's very likely both. His primary concern is power and control over the Galaxy. He would have seen the Yuuzhan Vong as a threat to that power and would have done anything to get rid of them.
Palpatine: I am Darkness personified.
Abeloth: That's cute.
Dread Lord Typhojem: *"You guys might wanna go home..."*
@@blackshogun272 Darth Vitiate would like to know your location
I think its pretty clearly stated that the Yuuzhan Vong were the primary reason for his massive military buildup. This gets mentioned a lot in the hand of thrawn series, outbound flight, and Survivors Quest amongst others if I remember correctly.
"That's not what the Empire would have done, Commander. What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."
- Han Solo
Benji Mann I got that reference.
I am LMAO...the Nostril of Palpatine!!!
@@Shortsircut1 can't wait for Disney to steal THAT fanart
I nearly suffocated... gimme a sec...
*_NOSTRIL OF PALPS_*
HAH!
This was one of my favorite Legends moments lol. The part when Grand Admiral Pellaeon says basically the same thing to an Imperial Moff was equally as funny.
I could believe Palpatine was trying to protect HIS Galaxy from the Vong.
This. The main crux of this is that Palpatine would do whatever it took to secure his Empire from threats. Not for the people in it, but so he could continue to dominate it.
How many times do we have to teach this old man
A billion times
[Soul Rebel In Stereo] Sidious: I love the young people!
@@jknetwork6211
Lol
Palpatine: long have I waite-
Everyone: how many times do we have to teach you a lesson, old man!
Sorry for the new star wars reference, I had to, even tho it hurts.
@@zelithfang2365
You also made a bit of a Spongebob Reference as well
Because that how many times do we have to tell you old man is a line used from an episode of SpongeBob from the early 2000's
dang, last time I was this early the blockade of Naboo was considered a myth
Last time I was this early, the blockade of Naboo was actually a thing.
Last time *I* was this early, it wasn't legal.
Last time I was this early, I wasn't!
stop committing thought crimes
True
I always smile when I see the Death Star blow up over endor, knowing that so many ewoks got cooked in the moon wide fires brings me peace and contentment.
Palps gave up on Death Stars as they were huge, took alot of time to build and expensive as hell
So he built the most powerful Mary Sue force user in the Galaxy
making a mary sue is absolutely free all you need is a writing.
To Palpatine, The Vong were just another civilization to be subjugated, or exterminated. They weren't a threat - just another source of raw materials.
Was Palpatine trying to protect the galaxy from the Yuuzhan Vong?
Yes, absolutely.
Was that a primary driving force behind any of the major decisions he claims to have done with that in mind?
NOPE.
Do you have any videos describing the variuos ranking systems of :
1) The Clone ranks
2) The Jedi ranks
3) The Sith ranks
4) The Ranks in the Republic fleets
5) The ranks in the Seperatist fleets
5) The Variety of Underground occupations
Kanzee If he hasn’t done it already the Separatists command structure would be very interesting.
@@Materialist39 😎👍👍
He should
Ok
2:10 I think that there was at least a decent amount of truth to Palpatine's vocalised intentions of preventing the Outbound Flight encountering the Yuuzhan Vong, even if it was only to prevent them from disrupting his plan. The novel takes place in 27 BBY so if the Vong had come across the Outbound Flight and decided to immediately invade the main galaxy then Palpatine's plans for manipulating the Clone Wars would be ripped to shreds as - aside from the Jedi - there'd be very little to stop the Vong's advance, especially as the Clone Army was still years away from being able to deploy the first generations of troopers. On top of that, there's uncertainty of how the Senate would respond but due to the limitations of the Ruusan Reformation that were still in effect (mainly the lack of a galactic army) then the Vong would probably advance further than they did against the New Republic, unless Palpatine ordered groups like the Trade Federation and any other Separatist backers Dooku had gathered by that point to mass produce Battle Droids in the millions or billions to stop the advance.
I've said it before, and I'll say it now. Palpatine had no idea of the Vong. Because, if he *imagined* the existence of an external threat, he would have used it.
He would have justified every loss of freedom, every massacre, as necessary to "protect the lives of your children". "Those Terrorists, that call themselves the 'Rebel Alliance' destroyed the Peace Moon*, the Galaxies' only hope of surviving the coming threat. If you know anything about these terrorists, report them to your local garrison. They are actively aiding the end of our way of life."
*Palps would also probably blame them for Alderaan.
I wish I had paid attention to Legends books when they were coming out. You never know how good things were until they're gone.
What’s stopping you from reading them now?
I know right!? That's the reason I started to read the thrawn trilogy intead of watching the sequel trilogy.
You can still get the books.
@@coggnus9656 I'm not gonna give Disney money.
Mario Valerian You think book sales matter to them more than movie sales? Hell the only thing Star Wars related activity I’m planning on doing this month is reading through the New Jedi Order Book series that I’m expecting to get for Christmas.
Nobody who paid attention to the joy Palpatine took in his completely unnecessary cruelty would fool themselves into believing he has any good intentions.
So what about that: Palpatine knew about the coming invasion, and that's why he focused on the death stars that much. Its not about protecting the galaxy and its inhabitants from bloodthirsty invaders but punishing those pitiful intruders who dare to challenge his absolute rule?
I don't think the Vong were the Primary, or even Second or third reason why he built the Death Star. Just because it could be used against them, doesn't mean that was his motivator.
Image Disney making a Star Wars movie about the Yuuzhan Vong. It would be legendary.
Yeah, cause they have such a great track record
As long as they don't mess it up!
They can't repurpose old materials to fit into this narrative, the effort alone would kill them.
Fuck off you don't know shit
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It makes sense for Palpatine to build super weapons and consolidate power to deal with a threat to his power. As Machiavelli noted small numbers of powerful people just below you makes an overthrow more likely. When you have thousands of governors who need a least a few hundred to resist to hope to win and only one betrayal to doom them it is far less likely to happen than if you only need 4 or 5 guys to rebel to have a chance. A centralized command is best for dealing with a powerful enemy. Not to protect the galaxy, but to deal with a threat to his own power. And after the war Palpatine would simply find excuses to murder anyone who might become a threat until it once more take a large group plan an overthrow.
It would be within Palpatine's character to at least somewhat build up an army/fleet to counter the Yuuzhan Vong. He can't rule over an empire of ashes, so it would be an act of self preservation of his power.
Palpatine was simply too much of a sociopath to care about protecting the galaxy from the Vong. Best case scenario: he devastates the Vong to keep them from playing with what he thinks are his toys -- because the galaxy belongs to him, and him alone. Oh, he'd certainly want people to THINK he had their wellbeing in mind, but in reality, as far as Palpatine is concerned, power isn't a means to an end -- it's an end in itself.
If the emperor knew about the Yuuzhan Vong then imho if he thought his rule would last long enough for them to arrive (debatable) then building a vast military to stop them from threatening your rule seems like a no brainer
We should've had the Vuuzhan Vong in the sequel trilogy instead of Rey and Kylo and the First Order. Would've been WAYYYYY better.
Yeeeeep
Can we pretend the sequel trilogy isn't cannon
@Cole Sanchez good man
How many times do I have to point out that the Vong don't follow from the death of Palpatine. They can come later or something, maybe a few generations later once the Galaxy has started to recover.
Fuck no. Disney would butcher the Yuuzhan Vong and the story would end up a diseased imitation. Hope they stay far away from my favorite part of Legends.
About the outbound flight,he is 1000% true about it though.from what I understand (new to starwars) the vong hate tech and that's why all theirs is biobased.if they saw the outbound flight ships it would give them greater motive to invade wouldnt it because they could see it as tech trying to "infect" their systems.
It's not really a fan theory it was his stated goal in many books. It makes Palpatine a way deeper character, all his plotting and murdering and even the mass oppression was all a tool to harden the Galaxy against a threat beyond their comprehension.
Though after that I'm sure he would've continued to run a sith empire.
Thanks for reminding me about the star wars I really love.
Too me the Emperor is one of the few truly evil beings in fiction so while yeah in part he probably wanted these weapons to kill the Vong but that’s because they are a rival to his power. He would’ve still made them to have power of a bunch of super lasers anyway to have the power of planet killing lasers.
Damn Sidious was right. The empire truly did do nothing wrong. Those rebels lied to us!
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i never realized until now, Palpatine became chancellor then a dictator
sound familiar?
George Lucas based the empire off of Nazi Germany
And the roman republic transformation into the roman empire.
Oh Oh Oh and Stormtroopers are like... Stormtroopers... Strumtruppen in German
Merkel right?
Liberals always trying to ruin movies
What do you think Palpatine would've done with the remaining Vong after eliminating the threat they posed?
He definitely would've loved to reverse engineer their bio technology. Especially considering the fact that the force mainly runs through organisms, not so such machinery like droids.
Wouldn't have worked, because the Yuuzhan Vong were cut off from the Force
I turned this on at 100 volume cause I was watching the expanse and it was louder than the THX noise.
I love how we talk about Palpetine how we talks about hitler. Very good video
Why can't it be both? The Deathstar could have the dual purpose of enforcer of peace and breaker of worldships. I always imagine that the Eclipse SSDs were designed for that dual purpose also. He doesn't have to save the galaxy through altruism, but because a ruler has to have something to rule. And the Vong perhaps were coming 'too early' and may have disrupted his plans for his own extra-galactic excursions.
Hey eck, not sure if your aware but Porsche (yes the car company) have revealed the design for the republic star fighter for rise of Skywalker. Cool to see real companies make designs for the movies
Yes. Palpatine is ultimately the protagonist of the entire series and by far the best character
Just another interesting idea legends adds that Disney destroyed......put it on the pile with the rest.
The sad part is, Disney won't let Star Wars go free until they completely ruin it.
Nah...
What'd happen if the Death Star fired at a star? Like if there are any cool side effects not it just blowing up
I mean it would probably send radioactive, superheated gas throughout the star system and would probably kill everyone in it. And if that didn't happen almost everyone would die anyways as all the planetary ecosystems die off.
If he really wanted to save the Galaxy wouldn't he have informed the Galaxy about them. That would have United the Galaxy and also prepared them for it
now imagine being him trying to control a population busy evacuating their local world by the means of anything.
Every year that would pass that they didn’t invade people would believe he was lying to justify his authoritarian regime
This is a theory I’ve had for years
It would’ve been way better if this was underlying intent in the “sequel trilogy”...
Well... just about anything would’ve been better but...
They could’ve made the good guys kinda look like the bad guys... or whatever... Palpatine could’ve chastised them for their hubris and not seeing the bigger picture or something...
Oh well.
I still believe the theory. The vong would've not only destroyed and assimilated all life but would have extinguished the force in the galaxy before moving on to the next. They would've taken everything from him. Ultimately not a benevolent motion, but it seems more likely he'd do anything to stop them. You didn't really need dozens of death stars and ssd's to control the galaxy, it'd be more manageable with hundreds of thousands of victory destroyers.
People tend to misinterpret nuance for complexity. And a whole lot of other things for complexity. Palpatine was a complex man, of wheels within wheels, like any sadistic dictator. But his goals were simple.
"I want to rule. If not power, then nothing."
Clear, simple goals; great tangling webs of means.
As a weapon of war, the Death Star is hilariously overbuilt. You don't need a 160km sphere to blow up a planet; an orbital bombardment from a handful of capital ships would accomplish the same thing. Palps could have build a thousand Star Destroyers, probably more, with the resources he put into the Death Star
As a weapon of terror, though, that excess actually works in its favor. "If the Empire can build a 160km sphere just for shits and giggles, there's nothing that can possible stand in its way!"
I really don't like when people try to make a villain who's made to be pure evil like Palpatine and try to make him sound a little good in some kind of way. Evil be Evil!
i still don't know if people true believe that the empire was good or they're just joking. after all, the fact that the jedi, the republic and the rebels aren't perfect good doesn't mean the other side is good either
@@marrvynswillames4975 Yeah, people point out bad things the Jedi did, like the Sith Holocaust which was 5,000 f**king years ago, and saying it justifies Order 66 because it’s revenge on the Jedi(even though there’s only one Jedi alive during Order 66 who might have been around for the Sith Holocaust and he’s been hibernating as a tree for 4,000 years) and stuff like that, ignoring that the Sith have done even worse.
Personally, I th ink the nuanced villain-antihero crossbreed is a trope that's much too prevalent. It's nice to occasionally find a character that is straight-up what it appears to be. I've heard the argument for lazy writing, but -- on the other hand -- not everything is complicated; in-context, I think the "black hole of the Force" explanation makes the most sense.
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Nick Malachai he isn't. But still makes weapons to keep the controlled part of the galaxy safe from any threats such as the rebels.
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@@uri_9158. Replace "safe" with "under harsh control".
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Yes. The Emperor Protects!
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For the REBELLION
With that theory, you make it sound as if he were organising, before using the war against the Rebel Alliance as training for the Vong both practically and theoretically!
A conqueror protecting their spoils of war is a completely normal thing to do. Palpatine would most certainly be protecting the Star Wars galaxy, but it wouldn't be out of kindheartedness. I think you could still have a "good guy Palpatine" scenario while also having him weasel his way in to an autocratic position, as the republic _was_ corrupt, so a "good guy" doing that is not unbelievable, but how he would go about doing it, and his actions after achieving power would be very different.
preparation
“Wanted ONE thing, and ONE thing only. POWER and DOMINATION”
I never thought he would create the Empire to prepare for an invasion.
But I like the idea that he did some stuff with the Empire in preparation. Especially stuff like the super weapons.
After all, how can you control the galaxy, when you have to put resources towards fighting a war. The Republic showed that.
He definitely cared about staying in power and the vong were a threat to that. At least that’s how I see it. He could throw away millions of imperial lives and just shrug it off as long as he won.
I think Palpatine would have felt threatened by the Vong because they were disconnected from the force, and he'd have no way to detect and let alone control them through the force. Even if his plan was to defend the Galaxy from the Vong, his motives would still be selfish and for the sake of self-preservation. Still, I would have preferred it if the protection of the galaxy was his main motivation, and everything he did was for a 'greater good', because it would have added greater depth to his character instead of just leaving him as a one dimensional bad guy.
TLDR Palpy just really resented the Yuuzhan Vong horning in on his turf/biting his style
My brother and I were talking about this yesterday! We agreed with your perspective, with my brother adding that Palpy would’ve used the Jedi as fodder against the Vong instead of killing them off in Order 66.
Imagine a star wars episode ten where the vong arrive and spend the first ten minutes butchering Rey and everyone else.
I don't think the two are exclusive.
1: He was evil and wanted power.
2: If the Vong took him out he would not care about anyone else.
3: If he wanted to take other galaxies or all of the universe he would first need to defeat the Vong.
4: He would have let the Vong fester as long as it would benefit him, then he would move to wipe them out. and probably use it as justification to invade the Vong Galaxy.
5: the Death Stars and Fleets can, and are multi-purpose. Just because they build his power, they were also there to help him keep his power, even against the Vong.
So he knew the Vong were a threat, and would have stopped them, not as so good move, but as anything else he did, to keep and even build more power. The Vong are not a Why he did it answer, they are just another cog.
I understand the appeal of the theory, since there's such a blank about Palpatine's motivations beyond accumulating power. All his complicated double dealing is hard to keep track of, and he's never really honest with anybody, least of all, the audience.
What if Palpatines visions of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion was the determining factor in him turning to the dark side in the first place? Such as Anakin seeing Padme die before seeking out a way to change what he saw in his vision, and inevitably finding the darkside and losing his path of saving Padme. Palpatine seeking the power to stop the invasion he saw in a vision of the future, and then falling to the darkside and seeking only power instead of his goal.
Why not both? Conquering the galaxy AND fighting off the vong.
Though Palpatine isn’t nuanced as you put it, allow me to put a counterargument. Though Palpatine did want his empire to be for him and him alone, he was never foolish in his endeavors leading up to the formation of the Empire. Consolidation of further power was definitely on his agenda the entire time, however he would also more than likely prepare for any potential threats. In essence, Palpatine would most likely have built his military force both for his benefit and as a semi-defensive measure against the Yuuzang Vong. He was aware of them and would most likely blow them to smithereens the moment he figured out where they were. Other than that power and immortality were his only goals. What I am trying to say is that I can believe the theory that the Vong got Palpatine’s attention in some small way but I doubt he made every single decision to counter the Vong.
Disney won't do the Vong in movies because they won't want to make scary Vong toys.
Instead, they'll do the same basic story, but replace the Vong with the Chiss.
Actually, I believe the Death Star's main purpose was to keep the galaxy from rebelling while the Empire militarizes and fortifies the galaxy to prepare for possible Vong invasions. Then the plan was also to militarize to the point where the Empire could conquer other galaxies.
palpatine is like the player in a strategy game when they get bored and just want to see action
I'm sure that Palpatine intended to save the galaxy from the Vong... _because it suited his ego._ "Only I have the _vision_ needed for days to come. I'm afraid that the rest of you _simply_ have too _small_ of a mindset to contemplate the measures that will be required. Clarity of vision, strength of power, promptness of speed, and decisiveness of commitment shall be required in equal measure, all of which I comprehend in full."
To view himself as the only possible savior of the galaxy is precisely the sort of thing that would tempt the ego of Palpatine.
Whether he would be correct in his assessment... well, the ego rarely bows to truth.
So the Emperor was trying do the Golden Path?
Would be interesting to see a what if book about the Vong and the other Droid races not going to war and living in relative peace only to have a Galaxy spanning force of Palpatine invading their Galaxy.
The Yuuzhan Vong would save this whole trilogy and make a great cliff hanger for the next
I believe he always knew about them, so I say, Long Live The Empire!
How I'd fight the Vong would be to mass produce the Eclipse class SSDs or put a super laser or massive rail gun on the Viscount-class Star Defender and mass produce them.
The Mon Calamari ships are better at providing cover while the Imperial designs are generally better at throwing a lot of fire power on a target so I'd use both kinds in a fleet.
Also employ droids when ever possible just to anger the Vong and make them mess up their tactics or even squander their forces in suicide attacks.
If the Vong ever come back their motivation needs to involve Palpatine in some way. Maybe they saw him as a threat and wanted to stop him before he attacked them, but arrived too late mad didn't realize he was gone.
Also, we see in the Mandalorian that the new Republic have better battle droids than the separatists.
#askeck Why didn't any Imperials express concern over the nonexistent line of succession? After all, Palpatine was in his eighties at Endor and very few people knew he was a Sith lord with plans for immortality.
They likely saw Darth Vader as his successor
Common interests.
Palpatine's primary goal was to gain power, but power is meaningless if everything you rule gets obliterated by the Yuuzhan Vong.
Was Palpatine trying to protect the galaxy? Yeah.
Was Palpatine's core motivation protecting the galaxy? No.
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I feel like the 300 trillion who died in the war didn't really care if Palpatine was try to save the Galaxy or himself they probably wished the Death Star still there when they were being empaled by a Vong soldier
Well Palpatine just became one of my favorite villain thanks to you, EckhartsLadder...
Interesting. The graphic novels tend to paint the picture stated in this video. The novels (even the ones meant to support the newest movies) seem to state he had a focus towards something... But I would agree. He's more into singlehandedly gaining power for himself. I see him using the Vong as a tool but I don't see him letting them get a solid foot within the Empire.
#PalpatineDidNothingWrong
Outbound flight was my first introduction to the Star Wars EU and one of my absolute favorite books
As some others have pointed out I think you are slicing this issue just very slightly off, most of these arguments could be made the other way. He didn't do it because he cared, he did it because he felt he needed the weapon. He also didn't build the entire warmachine to deal with that one threat, but think of it this way, he could've easily demilitarized the galaxy and gone back to ruling with ancient ways and sith magic, but if he did that the galaxy would be less able to defend itself. He chose these strategies and probably saw the death star and fleets as multipurpose, but he had to have them to defend.
Just like a country building thousands of nukes that would effectively destroy the biosphere, no caring or change of motivations is required so scorched earth isn't relevant and who knows why he sacrificed that fleet, there could be a lot of reasons to get rid of it. For me its not about giving Palpatine a virtuous side, its about not taking him for a fool and respecting his skills at seeing the future and playing the game, something only the Skywalkers were able to subvert. If I sit down to play a strategy war game and know full well about an endgame threat, and I plan for it, then someone comes along and says I didn't build those units for the endgame threat because I only cared about winning the game/being dominant/being evil, that doesn't make any sense to me.
honestly, the vong coulda dealt with the DS1 and 2, they showed that their armadas could take down planatary defence platforms, sheilds, fleets, shipyards, whatever. all they had to do was not send a worldship and theyre fine. not to mention their plasma launchers would make short work of the surface after combined dovin basals ripped away the sheilding. and lets be honest here, TIE fighters have nothing on coralskippers.
He was protecting his galaxy. His property. A selfish action that could have saved billions, at the cost of their souls.
I mean, there isn’t really any reason why he wouldn’t have. You can’t subjugate a people subjugated/killed by the Vong
I don't understand why that type of common-sense reasoning is beyond so many people.
"what do you mean he doesn't want to rule over a pile of rubble?" expands beyond Palpatine and Star Wars.
as someone who only recently learned of legends' post war stuff with the Vong. that's is a good theory.
"Actual Lore" is just rebel propaganda.
Exactly!
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So true
First Palpatine can do both Protect the Galaxy and power himself, second yes maybe the Empire had some problems after his demise but in the end the Empire transcended from the whole Sith thing and become one with the New Republic together with the Jedi. The Empire won the end game with the formation of the Galactic Federation Triumvirate. Source: Star Wars Legacy.
ABSOLUTELY! There was plans for dozens of Death Star. It was revealed in the expanded universe.
Yeah, that is one theory behind Death Stars. The idea was speculated in the Legends novels.
You know the whole thing of not having a successor and the Dark Side being the lynchpin in why the GE fell kinda falls flat, when you have Thrawn who basically boosted morale back to pre-Endor levels among Imperial forces and nearly brought down the New Republic. Someone like Thrawn could have easily just taken successor of the Empire, they just had to get their shit together and not try to kill one another.
Sure in the short term without those things from Palps, yeah the Empire would have fallen. But the Empire never truly fell, it merely just splintered off and then got back together and reformed, it just took a hell of a lot of time for everyone to get their act together. Thus we get the Imperial Remnant and then much later on the Fel Empire.
I thought we answered this question ages ago.
He felt a dark presence but it couldn't have been the vong, the force has deserted them.
Isn't that why jedi couldn't sense them????????????????????
A giant Void in the force moving towards your galaxy I think would be super noticeable, if you are paying attention.
@@luckysix1015 but there is supposed to be a void of force out there cause there is no life out there.
Yes this topic has been done on a few star wars commentary on how the yuuzhang von......
I agree with everything you said here. The only canon instance That contradicts this argument is when Palpatine says, “finally, we shall have peace.” Anyway, interesting to think about.
He wanted absolute power, absolutely.
The Dark Empire vs Yuzhan Vong