I like how Legends explain how Palpatine can come back from the dead. While Disney version is just: Palpatine is alive but no explanation on how he is still alive.
@@gamewalker1157 Kin was referring to the slew of possibilities that allowed Palpatine to survive his death. Cloning was a possibility but "secrets only the Sith knew" was just an acknowledgment that there are other methods known only to the Sith. Obviously, Kin was not referring to cloning as something only the Sith knew.
I'd like to clarify that I'm not a hypocrite, Palpatine coming back in this story and in Rise of Skywalker both make no sense and fundamentally ruins Anakin's sacrifice and goes against the idea of the Sith being unable to transcend death. But at least in this Legends, they explained how Palpatine did this which makes it marginally better than Rise of Skywalker.
It also explains how he came back in rise of skywalker, it just doesnt treat the viewer like a moron by repeatedly saying he's a clone. The resistance are spitballing ideas and one of them says he's likely a clone, this puts the clone idea in the viewer's head. Then when you see Palpatine's lair full of lab equipment and body parts they think back to that scene and realise the resistance soldier was right.
This is my thought process. Matt Smith’s interview shocked fans everywhere, when he said his role was going to change Star Wars lore forever. What everyone who has listened believes, is that Palpatine during the Main Saga, was going to be revealed to be Plagueis the whole time. I like this. So when Palpatine goes to kill Plagueis in legends, Plagueis wakes up. It was said Plagueis didn’t believe in Essence Transfer to be true immortality and he never learned. But I have to believe he did and just didn’t show Palpatine because he didn’t believe that to be the way forward. But he realized during Palpatine killing him he was actually dying and had to improvise. Plagueis wasn’t in control persay but neither was Palpatine. The consciousness was 50/50 because with their matched power, neither was strong enough to fully kill the others spirit. Because of this, Palpatine’s view on the Sith is full of loopholes, like assassins and inquisitors. When Vader killed Palpatine, both spirits were free from the other. In the RoS VD, it explains the room of mirrors (secret room Darth Rey was in) is a secret room where mirrors were enchanted and could view other realities/universes. Palpatine I believe enchanted one and created another universe where he could thrive. This explains why he says “I have died before.” He had to create a whole new universe to be able to regain his consciousness and power. In the core universe, Plagueis was the one that kept coming back in different clone bodies. This makes more sense that he tells Luke “That wasn’t the first time I have died.” Plagueis did die, and technically would have died again on the 2nd Death Star. This also allows Legends and Disney Canon to be both canon going forward which I feel like would regain favor from a lot of fans. While still doesn’t save Anakin’s redemption, It allows more canon material to be brought back into Mainstream.
The idea of palpatine returning is kinda dumb to me, both legends and canon, but legends explained his return and his plan a WHOLE LOT better than canon.
From my perspective, Palpatine is like that cockroach who will just refuse to die. Like many Sith before him he had a fear of death and would have made plans given the amount of time he reigned as Emperor to have a backup in the event he died. He also sincerely wanted to reign as Emperor of the Galaxy for eternity with no successor he was that power-hungry. So him coming back to life after his original death in Episode 6 unfortunately would make sense, even if it cheapens Vader/Anakin's sacrifice and breaks the prophecy of Anakin destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the Force. The Chosen One prophecy was a Jedi interpretation anyway, the Force itself had other ideas. The way Legends carried out the story wasn't perfect, as Palpatine 'died' too many times to make the story interesting. But ultimately Palpatine coming back to life was the way to go, he was too far cunning and intelligent to merely die once and let his whole Empire just collapse afterwards.
He's too dangerous, be alive or dead, hence why all the previous Jedi will make sure he never returns, thus bringing a permanent end to one of the greatest Sith Lords to have ever exist. Unlike gettong destroyed by all the Jedi and coming out of nowhere
Pizza-Man Right? I can get why people might not like the story but it would be seriously stupid if the Emperor didn't do this. Sith lords of the past did similar things, why would he not try? He's not gonna just let himself die.
@@dominicanderson2111 Not even close as in terms of the atomic scale of picometers (pm) where 1 x 10^-12 meter, yes. However, in terms of what would be considered by most as standard measurement (meter); I am in fact very close, if not right on the bullseye. Or, at the very least, in my own subjective view. The question we should all be asking ourselves, my fellow human, is 'is everything not even close'?
@@ChromedDomes not everything needs to be spelled out. Someone says he may be a clone, this theory is confirmed when you see his lair is full of cloning equipment.
I just copied and pasted this over from a different comment: "Lets think about this real quick. I'll give two scenarios: A) Vader sacrificed himself. B) Vader did not sacrifice himself. In A, the rebellion wins at Endor due to the disruption of Palpy's Battle Meditation, and because of that win, they are able to (After about 15 years) defeat the Empire. In B, Luke dies, Palpy's Battle Meditation allows him to coordinate a counter-attack that successfully defends the Death Star II, and the rebellion dies. How, exactly, is his sacrifice meaningless?"
because vader displayed love for his son (which i cry at btw) and commited the ultimate sacrifice then its like 'its cool bros have clone bodies ta da up yours skywalkers'
Lucas Huggins Yet how does that diminish Vader's act of literally saving his son from certain death. Or the fact that without Vader's sacrifice, every single one of our hero's in the movies would have died? Yes he came back, but to a much weaker empire, and he ultimately lost that time as well.
I loved the Vong. It presented a truly diabolical and powerful threat that even the galaxy's most powerful warriors couldn't fight well. It almost destroyed the whole galaxy and shaped the Old Canon timeline for years to come.
In my opinion, they both weren't favorable, though this does remind me of the same situation as X-Men Dark Pheonix (film). They tried to follow and improve the original attempt of X-Men: The Last Stand, but resulted in something that was equally as bad, maybe worse.
@@deadpoolrockz6410 difference though is, that Dark Empire did evolve Luke and co. The ST meanwhile just threw the original heroes away and had a main character who evolved not at all.
Well what about Anakin being the chosen one he is the one to kill Palpatine if Palpatine gets killed this way they could have done it better by making Anakin's force ghost save them. So here it goes Palpatine is about to win he almost got them all but suddenly Anakin's ghost appears and fights Palpatine and finally ending the sith
For me, the idea of bringing Palpatine back itself is baffling whether it be Legends or Disney sequels. It makes the sacrifice and the turn of Vader to Anakin completely worthless.
At least we actually get an explanation here. In TROS we just get: "The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." I do like the ROTS callback, but we need a bit more than that, like he's a clone, he tried to rebuild his body but he was too weak and only got 2/3 of the way through. Prequel Memes may be amazing, but you don't just use them as your explanation. If Snoke got an explanation, both a visual and a audible one, then how Papa Palpatine came back from the dead should get one too.
The Rise of Skywalker has taken this from Dark Empire complete with Emperor Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious being resurrected via cloning and essence transfer, a planet strong in the Dark Side of the Force (Byss/Exegol), a new Empire openly embracing the Dark Side of the Force/Sith complete with a cult to serve them (Dark Empire and Dark Side Elite/Final Order and Sith Eternal), Palpatine attempting to get a Light Side user/Jedi to join him (Luke Skywalker/Rey), planet-destroying Star Destroyers (Xyston/Conqueror), the Emperor attempting to possess a Force-sensitive (Anakin Solo/Rey), the final death of the Emperor after his last clone body is destroyed and the spirits of the Jedi showing up to stop him and all of this occurring during a big intergalactic conflict (Imperial Civil War-Galactic Civil War/First Order-Resistance war). The same could also be said of Star Wars: The Old Republic which also featured Sith Emperor Vitiate/Valkorion transferring his essence to a new body and establishing the Eternal Empire on Zakuul in the Unknown Regions which would serve as a springboard for a wider invasion of the galaxy against the Galactic Republic, the Sith Empire, the Chiss Ascendancy and the Mandalorians not to mention him having offspring like the Eternal Twins (Arcann and Thexen) as well as the Eternal Throne, the Knights of Zakuul and his last-ditch effort in possessing the Eternal Commander which fails and he dies. The big difference however is that Dark Empire shows Luke Skywalker and his friends triumphing over Emperor Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious thus ensuring the Jedi Order, the Republic and the Skywalkers would continue on which it did in the Expanded Universe (EU)/"Legends" with the New Jedi Order, the New Republic/Galactic Alliance/Galactic Federation Triumvirate and Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus, Jaina Solo, Anakin Solo, Allana Solo, Ben Skywalker, Nat Skywalker, Kol Skywalker, Cade Skywalker and Ania Solo not counting their spouses/relatives as well as ensure Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader's sacrifice in Return of the Jedi would still mean something over the course of 140 years (10 ABY-140 ABY) it also went much more in depth with how the Emperor was brought back from the dead. The Rise of Skywalker on the other hand not only undermines Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader's sacrifice but it also came when Snoke the intended Big Bad of the Sequel Trilogy/Disney Trilogy was killed off without any hints as to his backstory and suddenly he's retconned as a puppet of Emperor Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious, the whole Final Order/Sith Eternal fleet, the character not even mentioning how he came back from the dead, the Jedi Order, the Republic and the Skywalkers being extinct plus it was a replacement for Duel of the Fates which would have done away this concept and instead seek to put a lot more focus on the cast and characters from the last movie
Something that I'd like to highlight (from another comment, I just wanted to share this), is that in Legends when Palps was killed for the last time and all the Jedi ghosts came to get rid of him, one of them had to have been Anakin, so he STILL technically did his part in the prophecy, just later and with some help.
I can see Palpatine coming back to life in Legends has some pros and cons- so I'll try going over them step by step. Let me start this off by saying this. Everyone loves Sidious. He's one of the best and most brilliantly conceived villains in the series next to Vader, and is by far one of the most recognisable characters in the franchise. To have him claim the title as the most powerful Sith Lord in the history of the Star Wars universe and then demonstrate it through not only his intelligence and fighting abilities, but also his use of the Force and ability to cheat death, is a really solid way of cementing him in that seat of power. Balance in the Force. A balance between Light and Dark. Day and Night. Good and Evil. During the Republic's Reign, there were over ten thousand Jedi spread out across the galaxy doing their work- spreading hope and protecting the galaxy. That's ten thousand force users on the side of the light. And to oppose them, aside from the witches of Dathomir and other dark side groups from Legends, there are the two Sith- a Master and Apprentice. In order to combat the strength of the light, Sideous- and with the extension of his apprentices- became the embodiment of the Dark Side of the Force- all of the dark side manifested in him and being manipulated through the master of the Sith Order. Him eventually rising to the seat of political power and then wiping out almost all of the jedi across all of the galaxy, threw the galaxy- and by extension the force- out of balance, with most of the light being snuffed out. Taking this into consideration, as well as the years Palpatine spent plotting to destroy the Jedi Order and increase his power, I wouldn't be surprised if the man had a few aces up his sleeve- especially if things went south. Now, the Chosen One was stated to bring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith (as Obi-Wan quoted). Anakin was said to be that Chosen One- and both the movies and the Clone Wars series confirmed this fact to be true. After Vader threw Palpatine over the Death Star's reactor and killed him, Vader/Anakin did in fulfil the prophecy by destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the Force once more. The Empire's hold of the galaxy started to crumble and Anakin's son, Luke, was able to bring the Jedi back into existence- in other words the light. However, in order to maintain balance, the dark side will resurface once again to keep to the status quo. Amidst his crumbling Empire, Palpatine returned stronger than ever, to combat the Jedi once more. Yet Luke managed to defeat him- and amidst his death throes and his final, crumbling, dying clone body, the Skywalker family in its entirety were able to put the desperate Sideous down once and for all. Overall, I find Palpatine's rise and fall to be both epic and frustrating- epic because it showed the journey of the franchise's biggest bad guy and the galaxy's greatest threat being halted at every turn, while his inability to just die permanently had me cursing him at the same time- but in a good way. However, I can see why some people would be upset. Palpatine coming back after Vader kills him makes Vader's sacrifice seem kind of meaningless- and a lot of people tend to agree with this notion. However, I don't think it's as black and white as that. Even though Sideous eventually resurrected himself, it doesn't detract from Vader's actions or sacrifice in the slightest. Not at all. In fact, not only do I see Vader once again finding his strength to finally and literally cast aside the dark side in the form of his master once and for all, but in an ironic and very karma-like twist, Palpatine was able to live through his failure to possess the Skywalker bloodline and reep the seeds that he sewed, as all his best laid plans AND back up plans were slowly, surgically and methodically picked apart and torn down one after the other. To see the once most powerful and feared being in the galaxy being reduced to the withered up, husk of a man he'd become in the comic above, and then being dragged kicking and screaming to hell by all the departed Jedi he'd murdered years ago, I think is a fitting end for a monster like him- so desperate to cling to life that he would resort to chasing after the family he'd tried so hard to own and use to his own, selfish ends. Sure, all of the Legends stories were written by multiple authors. But you know what, it's these multiple authors- FANS of the original Star Wars trilogy in their own right- who knew Star Wars best and how the story should be told in between the movies and after. Timothy Zhan proved this, and so did so many others. That's what made the Extended Universe so great! But now that the franchise has fallen into the hands of Disney- an organisation run by businessmen and businesswomen with their own political agendas and interests- the entire series has fallen flat on its face- and all the great legends we once knew created by fans, for the fans, and beloved by fans, has been cast into the same, black abyss Palpatine has been sent to. And you know what, I have a sneaking suspicion the same thing is going to happen to him in this last movie- but with less taste. In fact, I foresee it... lol
This is the one legends story that is always the one to gets a lot of flak, I understand the reasons some might hate it. For me personally I enjoyed the story greatly sure there are some thing that disagree with, I mostly hated the fact that the empire just kept pulling a new super weapon out of their ass. I have no problems with Palps coming back to life as it shows him in his prime somewhat.
The reason they showed him continuously resurrecting was to show that if they did not stop him some way, he would never cease. It made the importance of his imprisonment much more urgent. This story is one of my favorites, as it shows just how great the lengths Palpatine would go to keep his power. And just how powerful he was.
Wow... So Lucas films could have still gone with the strong female lead they always wanted in the form of Leia taking up her brother's mantle and rescuing him, but instead they went the Mary Sue option and made Luke even worse
People are saying this is a bad story, but while I havent read it, it doesnt seem that bad. For one, its perfectly in character for someone like Palpatine to have backup plans like this. When you consider that his old master apparently had the ability to transcend death (necromancy? Its never fully specified), which is one of the things Palpatine admired, he would most certainly learn as much as he could about it and use it to his advantage in case of an untimely death (ROTJ). Luke turning shows he had flaws, but ultimately he was shown to learn from them and come back to the light, unlike canon Luke whose sole existence in the sequel is to die and set up the new protagonists.
Common misconception, Vader didn't sacrifice himself to kill Palpatine, the whole point was that he returned from the light, assume he died fighting Palpatine with Luke, would people still call that meaningless? Of course they would, but it was never the point, it's that Vader is now Anakin.
Fair enough, but Palpy coming back also takes away from the idea that Sith can't prevent themselves from dying. Escaping death by becoming a force ghost was an ability restricted to the light side. IIRC a person could only became a ghost through a selfless desire to guide those still alive and they had to be willing to accept death. It was ironic because eternal life could only be obtained by giving up the desire to live forever, and that's why the Sith could never do that. If Palpatine is able to resurrect himself that whole idea goes away.
@Blue Kunt If Luke was the chosen one then Vader's sacrifice lacks the weight it did in ep6. If Anakin was the chosen one then Palpatine's return is taking a dump all over the prophecy of the chosen one. Which was bringing balance to the force by getting rid of the Sith in most desperate of times. If Palpatine can come back then how is Anakin's possible prophecy fulfilled? The guy whose death is essential for having balance in the force didn't die!
“I hated Dark Empire” “Dark Empire ruined Vader’s sacrifice” “Palpatine should never have come back” “I’m glad Dark Empire is no longer canon” Y’all Disney fan boys better shut up... your precious “canon” did the same...
And come on stop crying about vaders sacrifice not mattering without his sacrifice luke would have died the rebelion would be destroyed all of your beloved characters will be dead so there case closed
I hear a lot of people say that Palpatine coming back makes Vader’s sacrifice useless, it does NOT. Without Darth Vader’s sacrifice Luke would’ve died. And the empire wouldnt have suffered such a major blow. Yes I agree it lessens the impact but it still is important.
This doesn’t mean Vader’s sacrifice was meaningless because he still saved Luke which meant he saved the sword of the rebellion and thus saving the Jedi
Although the two story points were never meant to be connected, I always thought of it this way... Transfer essence may be as close as Palpatine got to Darth Plagueis's anti-death abilities. Which IF this was a canon ability, would have meant that he lied to Anakin before anointing him Darth Vader. He DID know how to cheat death. This is why the Dark Empire series you refer to in the video isn't compatible with the canon timeline. But it's a good story, especially Luke willingly let himself be turned just to understand the Dark Side and how to defeat it. It helped build Luke's backstory as a Jedi Master and lent further creedence to how he had an uncanny ability to convince dark force users to renounce their own wickedness.
Plagius never got anywhere beyond the testing phase of his anti-death powers. In legends only one force user has ever gained the power to prevent death. Cade Skywalker Anakin's descendent who has a force ability that does just that.
This would explain why Palpatine cared so much about Anakin. Not him, but his body. He then realized that no point in soul transference since Anakin is half machine, but had a apprentice who couldn't touch him, and no threat in the galaxy. Perhaps this was a better outcome. Perhaps Anakin too damaged to take a part of dna, so that's why he was so excited to hear about Luke.
I got a great idea for your next video, What if Darth Maul was a Jedi? Or maybe after that you can cover Marka Ragnos? After all that you could do a Who Was Yoda's Master video? Great content man seems so fresh and original!!! PS Great song choice, sounds so familiar.
I'll be sure to make all of those videos you listed, don't you worry loyal fan of the fact free army! And thanks, that song is excellent for these videos. Can't believe I found it all on my own ;)
LOL @ all the people shitting on the Dark Empire storyline, despite it making sense on different levels: 1) Palpatine has cloning tech. 2) Palpatine is a strong Force user who can manifest as a ghost. Just like Vader did. 3) A ghost can possess a body, so naturally Palpatine would create clones of himself for his spirit to possess. Before you idiots attack the storyline, at least read the damn thing first. It's actually a pretty good story once you got down to reading it. Oh, and by the way, IT WAS GEORGE LUCAS WHO CREATED THIS STORYLINE. The original makers of Dark Empire wanted a Vader impersonator. Lucas shot down the idea and told them to resurrect the Emperor instead.
You got to credit to the makers of the Dark Empire comics here. Even though the overall concept of bringing back Palpatine is actually pretty stupid, at least they went all out with the concept and put as much effort and passion into it as possible. They give an explanation, a pretty cool story arc, and they did everything they could to make the idea work. And for all that hard work they put in, I’d say they succeeded. Meanwhile, with The Rise of Skywalker, the filmmakers just used the concept as an excuse to finish an already f*cked film trilogy and ended up creating one of the worst conclusions to anything in fictional and cinematic history! F*ck you Disney!
“I hated how the Legends continuity brought back Palpatine. It’s so stupid. So glad it’s not canon.” *palpatine comes back in Canon* “That’s so awesome! I love that they’re bringing back such a great villain! Suck it, manbabies!”
@Horse Dude Mhm and where are you seeing people being hypocrites at? So everyone who likes how Disney brought back Palpatine automatically hated the dark empire version and are automatically hypocrites and being double-standard? Or how about some of them don't like how dark empire brought him back but liked how Disney did it? You're making a huge generalization when it's not that simple, buddy. And unironically using the word normies makes you sound ridiculous lmao
Horse Dude Lmao the only salt here is the saltiness coming from you and your hatred of Disney. And besides it’s fiction (not real in case you need that clarified) and Star Wars is meant for children so just relax it’s not that deep lmao. They’re just movies.
@Palpatine McSenateFace I think you're missing the irony in the fact that he enjoyed _Palpatine coming back_ and by extension, enjoyed Legends more than Disney canon.
@Palpatine McSenateFace That's fine, I respect your opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that the reasoning OP implied became super ironic. He made it seem like this storyline is one of the reasons why.
Disney's canon is shit. The original canon combined with legends creare a vast exciting dark universe. Disney just wants to make money off of some kid friendly movies.
@@viksaggu9085 - No, Snoke was Snoke. But Palpatine returning would mean the lore behind this video maybe true but with the whole, "Anakin Solo" thing was hopefully probably scrapped.
Personally, I think this is a far better ending for Palpatine than his 'death' on the second death star. He was a massive figurehead in Star Wars mythos and deserved far more.
At least Legends Luke came back to the light and admitted to his mistakes, becoming a better person for it. 'Canon' Luke only came back at the very end after wallowing in his own misery for years, and just died without any opportunity to show how much he learnt from his mistakes.
HERE HERE!! Legends is so much better because it makes far more more sense. It also shows consistency with all 6 episodes. The original was carefully tailored by George Lucas while Disney's timeline is made only for show.
@@karenelizabeth1590 "Luke actually becoming a sith and falling to the dark side," To collapse it from within remember the mentality to have your enemies closer.
Robot Chicken Palpatine: "You know, looking back it all makes sense. Dream big, live big, love big... fall to your death down a giant f***ing hole. Now I know, which is exactly 0% of the battle apparently."
Everyone needs to keep in mind that Dark Empire predates the prequels by like a decade, as far as anyone at the time knew Anakin Skywalker was just a skilled starfighter pilot with a strong connection to The Force not some Messiah that’s Prophesied to bring balance and I’m gonna be honest I prefer that to what we got with the prequels (even if I love them).
Palpatine: *comes back from the dead through possessing a clone or other human beings* The Rebel Alliance/The New Republic: “How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!”
It is proof of Palpatine's power and obsession with it and immortal life. I think it built on his character tremendously outside what very little we saw of him in the original movies. His appearance in the original movies did not do his character justice. Personally, I liked it and I plan on purchasing the copies with the Legends banner when they are released.
@@shearman360 yes, since they killed off Luke, Han, destroyed the New Republic after one blast, the jedi must after I created KYLO Ren cause I had a bad dream
It sucks so much that his body starts to deteriorate rapidly after transfering his essence over to his cloned bodies, cursed to live as an old man even after getting a new body. The dark side has its cool aspects, but it sucks overall.
Less then 5 minutes of story, but every idea here is a million times better then anything in the two new movies we got from Disney. Shame we never get to see Luke becomeing a real Jedi Master :(
people are saying that this is why the EU was wiped personally i find the concept kinda cool. Its like Fighting Malak in Kotor 1, he just keeps on coming back.
Episode IV-VI: The Sacred Cow trilogy, except for the Ewoks Legends: The flawed but many diamonds in the rough expanded universe Episode I-III: The trilogy everyone hated but now realize it had a good heart, the execution was flawed Episode VII-IX: The trilogy everyone now hates but will eventually say is better than the inevitable future trilogy
Dade Lee Murphy You couldn't speak a more pure truth than that. Don't listen to these guys below. You are right. Legends in the only canon and will always be the best one. Even if the Legends timeline really is considerably bad, it's sure as hell better than any Disney Star Wars content Disney has and will put out ever.
If Disney didn't fucked with Star Wars this perhaps would had made Palpatine an all time stronger and powerful villain than Sauron and Voldermort combined.
Sonikku El Hedgehog Palpatine IS much more powerful than Voldemort,thousands of times faster and God knows how many millions upon million times stronger.And that's in canon,in legends it's way more.
Theoretically? No. This would never have been referenced in any film. These levels of canon have always existed, Disney's takeover just made it more distinct. After all, the only canon to Lucas (And he determines it), is the films.
George Thomas Not essentially true, for example, it comes to my mind that Lucas himself considered Vaders secret apprentice to be canon. And he would have to know, you know
I always imagined the wampas could mold living spaces with bodily fluids like their excessive drool but I gotta say the piss theory is my new favourite.
Arnar Kristinsson literally just watched the movie last night and said this to my friends. How did the yeti forcefully freeze his feet there? What did he do hold him to the ceiling and sprayed water on his feet until it froze?
legends fans say darth maul should not have come back yet palpatine comes back like 6 times, boba fett lives, darth maul was even brought back in legends
darth mauls revival was by George himself i like rebels i didn't like the force awakens i am a fan, whether i like Disneys stuff or not get out 10 year old kid
As far as I'm concerned the 6 films made by George Lucas along with the Expanded Universe comic books, novels and video games will ALWAYS be the TRUE Star Wars canon!That Disney crap is nothing more than stupid Tumblr fanfiction!
Lucas wrote this off as acceptable yet he wants to claim Vader (really Luke's persuasion) killed the Sith for good, and removed a large influence of the Dark Side. Yet, Palpatine comes back showing that not just the Sith legacy, but that a Sith Lord can be immortal, too.
palpatines legends timeline is so much more interesting than in canon but dont really thing he should come back in cannon unless its in a flashback in the new poe dameron comics or something
SPOILERS People are complaining how this cheapens Darth Vader’s death, but I think it really works well in the sequel trilogies. Ben wanted to finish what his grandfather started and he did. He sacrificed himself and ended the bloodline of the Skywalkers permanently. Also Darth Vader’s death was more or less a way of redemption that just happened to take form in a sacrifice.
If Luke was the chosen one, then okay however it would reduce the weight of Vader's sacrifice. If Anakin was the chosen one then how was his prophecy fulfilled exactly?! He came back to the light side for sure, but how exactly did he "bring the balance to the force"? He had to kill that Sith Lord. So when he's still alive Anakin's possible prophecy isn't fulfilled!
Well i think it's because they don't understand that this comic was made before the prequels and therefor they say that this comic sucks because it makes the Prophecy of the chosen one meaningless
It is so much better disney's version like WAY WAY over. The last scene where Palpatine defeated by all Jedi who were dead would be much, much much better fan service
I love the idea of palpatine coming back just shows how dangerous and resourceful he is, I don’t really care about Vader’s sacrifice. Palps is just badass
This storyline gets a lot of hate but i actually really enjoyed it. I thought it was really well executed and the comic's art, though different, was really enjoyable. I think it also helps to make more sense of the overall storyline. Though the rebels won at Endor, the Empire was MASSIVE, and the rebels still would have had to fight a huge armada of enemy ships, except for the fact that the Empire was divided and leaderless. It is no great surprise that once Palpatine returned, the imperial forces reunited behind him and again took the galaxy.
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*Palpatine comes back to life*
Luke: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?"
So Han Solo was the last one who ultimately killed him huh?
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Palpatine: "I love the young Skywalker." :)
@@obitwokenobi9808 Hello my name is Chris Hansen
Palpatine master of Betrayers, always !!!
Flame Force Well, Palpatine did try to possess a baby sooooo. Yeah..
I like how Legends explain how Palpatine can come back from the dead. While Disney version is just: Palpatine is alive but no explanation on how he is still alive.
Vickran Precisley my thoughts exactly
Vickran Everyone knows about cloning. That was a huge retcon, and one of the reasons why I hate this movie.
@@gamewalker1157 he wasn't calling cloning a secret only the sith knew. He was referring to the essence transfer.
isaacman112 No. He said that cloning was a secret only Sith know, hence my point.
@@gamewalker1157 Kin was referring to the slew of possibilities that allowed Palpatine to survive his death. Cloning was a possibility but "secrets only the Sith knew" was just an acknowledgment that there are other methods known only to the Sith. Obviously, Kin was not referring to cloning as something only the Sith knew.
“Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities, some consider to be unnatural.”
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the dark side is now straight up necromancy
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Am I the only one who is pissed about Palpatine being alive in episode IX?
I'd like to clarify that I'm not a hypocrite, Palpatine coming back in this story and in Rise of Skywalker both make no sense and fundamentally ruins Anakin's sacrifice and goes against the idea of the Sith being unable to transcend death.
But at least in this Legends, they explained how Palpatine did this which makes it marginally better than Rise of Skywalker.
General Kenobi
@@Luna-bi1rl legendary response
It also explains how he came back in rise of skywalker, it just doesnt treat the viewer like a moron by repeatedly saying he's a clone. The resistance are spitballing ideas and one of them says he's likely a clone, this puts the clone idea in the viewer's head. Then when you see Palpatine's lair full of lab equipment and body parts they think back to that scene and realise the resistance soldier was right.
@@shearman360 that's what i was thinking, information is given to you he literally says "I made Snoke"
This is my thought process. Matt Smith’s interview shocked fans everywhere, when he said his role was going to change Star Wars lore forever. What everyone who has listened believes, is that Palpatine during the Main Saga, was going to be revealed to be Plagueis the whole time. I like this. So when Palpatine goes to kill Plagueis in legends, Plagueis wakes up. It was said Plagueis didn’t believe in Essence Transfer to be true immortality and he never learned. But I have to believe he did and just didn’t show Palpatine because he didn’t believe that to be the way forward. But he realized during Palpatine killing him he was actually dying and had to improvise. Plagueis wasn’t in control persay but neither was Palpatine. The consciousness was 50/50 because with their matched power, neither was strong enough to fully kill the others spirit. Because of this, Palpatine’s view on the Sith is full of loopholes, like assassins and inquisitors. When Vader killed Palpatine, both spirits were free from the other. In the RoS VD, it explains the room of mirrors (secret room Darth Rey was in) is a secret room where mirrors were enchanted and could view other realities/universes. Palpatine I believe enchanted one and created another universe where he could thrive. This explains why he says “I have died before.” He had to create a whole new universe to be able to regain his consciousness and power. In the core universe, Plagueis was the one that kept coming back in different clone bodies. This makes more sense that he tells Luke “That wasn’t the first time I have died.” Plagueis did die, and technically would have died again on the 2nd Death Star. This also allows Legends and Disney Canon to be both canon going forward which I feel like would regain favor from a lot of fans. While still doesn’t save Anakin’s redemption, It allows more canon material to be brought back into Mainstream.
The idea of palpatine returning is kinda dumb to me, both legends and canon, but legends explained his return and his plan a WHOLE LOT better than canon.
"Somehow Palpatine returned"
@@americascrewchief2004 that line man 😂
The movie barely did the bare minimum of explaining how he’s back. Just vague stuff about dark science and cloning.
From my perspective, Palpatine is like that cockroach who will just refuse to die. Like many Sith before him he had a fear of death and would have made plans given the amount of time he reigned as Emperor to have a backup in the event he died. He also sincerely wanted to reign as Emperor of the Galaxy for eternity with no successor he was that power-hungry. So him coming back to life after his original death in Episode 6 unfortunately would make sense, even if it cheapens Vader/Anakin's sacrifice and breaks the prophecy of Anakin destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the Force. The Chosen One prophecy was a Jedi interpretation anyway, the Force itself had other ideas.
The way Legends carried out the story wasn't perfect, as Palpatine 'died' too many times to make the story interesting. But ultimately Palpatine coming back to life was the way to go, he was too far cunning and intelligent to merely die once and let his whole Empire just collapse afterwards.
He's too dangerous, be alive or dead, hence why all the previous Jedi will make sure he never returns, thus bringing a permanent end to one of the greatest Sith Lords to have ever exist. Unlike gettong destroyed by all the Jedi and coming out of nowhere
*The rise of Skywalker would like to know your location*
I think palpations is still alive
Fuck that movie
@@admiralredaceone5913 he was a clone confirmed
XboxLegoGuy No one cares about that movie though.
Gamewalker 11 everyone is, considering how they like to bash on it
EU:
Luke: Yo how tf you alive?
Palpatine: Clones
Disney:
Luke: Yo how tf you alive?
Palpatine: Lmao I dunno who gives a shit.
One explains with ease the other just didn't gave a shit
Papaltine lives because he was sponsored by Fortnite.
He explained it in TROS and Luke barely had a role there but ok
Welp mando s2 show snoke clone, but at least they should have explain this in the movie itself instead of easter egg this info in mando series.
@@mohdfarhan5255 eh, TCW explained a lot of the bs in the prequels
To be fair, from an in universe perspective it makes sense for him to plan this. It’s not the best concept, but I look forward to reading it
Pizza-Man Right? I can get why people might not like the story but it would be seriously stupid if the Emperor didn't do this.
Sith lords of the past did similar things, why would he not try? He's not gonna just let himself die.
I'm going to admit, I don't really like the idea of Palpatine coming back to life, but Legends did it MUCH better & more enjoyable than canon.
Not even close
@@dominicanderson2111 Not even close as in terms of the atomic scale of picometers (pm) where 1 x 10^-12 meter, yes. However, in terms of what would be considered by most as standard measurement (meter); I am in fact very close, if not right on the bullseye. Or, at the very least, in my own subjective view. The question we should all be asking ourselves, my fellow human, is 'is everything not even close'?
Still shit
They don't deserve the term simply as "canon." Make it instead "Disney Canon."
Dark empire was the worst legends sequel
Palpatine live again
2016 : Legends
2019 : Canon
Execute order 69
Actually Palpatine came back in Legends in 1991.
It's treason then
Legends Explanation: Using actually established cloning and Sith powers, Sheev was able to evade death in a new body
Rise of Skywalker: I escaped
No. It was implied in the movie that Palpatine came back through cloning.
@@Jedi-ge6lr Implied is not explained.
@@ChromedDomes not everything needs to be spelled out. Someone says he may be a clone, this theory is confirmed when you see his lair is full of cloning equipment.
@@shearman360 so last minute addition for a poorly way of coming back
Same reason
Dark Empire comic art doesn’t get enough love!
Isaac Exactly i give it a lot
Amazing things were also added such as the eclipse class dreadnought
Perhaps i treaded you to harsh
I think there should be more legends stuff in canon like the eclipse and the old republic era.
this story
pros: palpatine is powerful that makes sense
cons: completely ruined vaders sacrifice and redemption
I just copied and pasted this over from a different comment:
"Lets think about this real quick. I'll give two scenarios:
A) Vader sacrificed himself.
B) Vader did not sacrifice himself.
In A, the rebellion wins at Endor due to the disruption of Palpy's Battle Meditation, and because of that win, they are able to (After about 15 years) defeat the Empire.
In B, Luke dies, Palpy's Battle Meditation allows him to coordinate a counter-attack that successfully defends the Death Star II, and the rebellion dies.
How, exactly, is his sacrifice meaningless?"
because vader displayed love for his son (which i cry at btw) and commited the ultimate sacrifice then its like 'its cool bros have clone bodies ta da up yours skywalkers'
Lucas Huggins Yet how does that diminish Vader's act of literally saving his son from certain death.
Or the fact that without Vader's sacrifice, every single one of our hero's in the movies would have died?
Yes he came back, but to a much weaker empire, and he ultimately lost that time as well.
Vader saved Luke= redeemed.
it never said they destroy the sith but bring balance
so han solo was the hero who killed palpatine. what a twist
I guess hokey religions, and ancient weapons, are no match for a good blaster at your side after all. XD haha
Solo shooting him was lame as hell. lol
@Jimmy De Santa well atleast it was in the hand of a skywalker not some Mary sue granddaughter
@@wearywanderer1912 still didn't end Palpatine
Lamest way palpatine to die.
"I'm back."
"i'm black"
Ruben van Dijk this is the very definition of that quote
meesa back
Do you guys want Palpatine to return in the new Star Wars timeline?
No
No. Vaders sacrifice would be for nothing
yessss
Noo
Can you do a video on x wing fighters
What thing from Legends would you like to see back the most? For me, it's definitely the Old Republic.
have the yuuzon vong not the whole galaxy invasion but have them in the outer rim
Yeah. I like the Vong as a concept, but their story isn't too great.
+Kif Kroker and David M. The fuck you mean by dildo?
I loved the Vong. It presented a truly diabolical and powerful threat that even the galaxy's most powerful warriors couldn't fight well. It almost destroyed the whole galaxy and shaped the Old Canon timeline for years to come.
Prequel era Legends for sure.
This story was flawed but at least it's better than TROS.
In my opinion, they both weren't favorable, though this does remind me of the same situation as X-Men Dark Pheonix (film). They tried to follow and improve the original attempt of X-Men: The Last Stand, but resulted in something that was equally as bad, maybe worse.
@@deadpoolrockz6410 difference though is, that Dark Empire did evolve Luke and co. The ST meanwhile just threw the original heroes away and had a main character who evolved not at all.
@@undertakernumberone1 exactly
Well what about Anakin being the chosen one he is the one to kill Palpatine if Palpatine gets killed this way they could have done it better by making Anakin's force ghost save them. So here it goes Palpatine is about to win he almost got them all but suddenly Anakin's ghost appears and fights Palpatine and finally ending the sith
For me, the idea of bringing Palpatine back itself is baffling whether it be Legends or Disney sequels. It makes the sacrifice and the turn of Vader to Anakin completely worthless.
Am I the only one who doesn't find resurrecting Palpatine that bad? It makes sense for someone as smart as him to have a backup plan like this.!
yeah but it still can be reasonably disappointing
How so?
Intergalactic Human Empire It makes sense. It also makes bullshit boring books and stories that dance around same old fucker.
It's definitely a lot more interesting than fucking snoke in tlj
Intergalactic Human Empire gimmicks work for good villains
Surprisingly less stupid than the new movie
pls kid go to your moms basement.
@@darkpro0031 hes not wrong tho.
I totally agree, you are officially my favorite person today.
At least we actually get an explanation here. In TROS we just get: "The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." I do like the ROTS callback, but we need a bit more than that, like he's a clone, he tried to rebuild his body but he was too weak and only got 2/3 of the way through. Prequel Memes may be amazing, but you don't just use them as your explanation. If Snoke got an explanation, both a visual and a audible one, then how Papa Palpatine came back from the dead should get one too.
This Is an Overrated Image that was actually pretty funny tho
Can't say I liked Palpatine coming back to life. It made Vader's sacrifice meaningless.
How?
Because he just came back
Vaders sacrifice was not to kill Palpatine but to redeem himself back to the Light. Which he did
and for what? Only luke was there to see it.
And luke was the one wo wanted to draw him back to the light"there's still good in him".
The Rise of Skywalker has taken this from Dark Empire complete with Emperor Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious being resurrected via cloning and essence transfer, a planet strong in the Dark Side of the Force (Byss/Exegol), a new Empire openly embracing the Dark Side of the Force/Sith complete with a cult to serve them (Dark Empire and Dark Side Elite/Final Order and Sith Eternal), Palpatine attempting to get a Light Side user/Jedi to join him (Luke Skywalker/Rey), planet-destroying Star Destroyers (Xyston/Conqueror), the Emperor attempting to possess a Force-sensitive (Anakin Solo/Rey), the final death of the Emperor after his last clone body is destroyed and the spirits of the Jedi showing up to stop him and all of this occurring during a big intergalactic conflict (Imperial Civil War-Galactic Civil War/First Order-Resistance war).
The same could also be said of Star Wars: The Old Republic which also featured Sith Emperor Vitiate/Valkorion transferring his essence to a new body and establishing the Eternal Empire on Zakuul in the Unknown Regions which would serve as a springboard for a wider invasion of the galaxy against the Galactic Republic, the Sith Empire, the Chiss Ascendancy and the Mandalorians not to mention him having offspring like the Eternal Twins (Arcann and Thexen) as well as the Eternal Throne, the Knights of Zakuul and his last-ditch effort in possessing the Eternal Commander which fails and he dies.
The big difference however is that Dark Empire shows Luke Skywalker and his friends triumphing over Emperor Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious thus ensuring the Jedi Order, the Republic and the Skywalkers would continue on which it did in the Expanded Universe (EU)/"Legends" with the New Jedi Order, the New Republic/Galactic Alliance/Galactic Federation Triumvirate and Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus, Jaina Solo, Anakin Solo, Allana Solo, Ben Skywalker, Nat Skywalker, Kol Skywalker, Cade Skywalker and Ania Solo not counting their spouses/relatives as well as ensure Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader's sacrifice in Return of the Jedi would still mean something over the course of 140 years (10 ABY-140 ABY) it also went much more in depth with how the Emperor was brought back from the dead.
The Rise of Skywalker on the other hand not only undermines Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader's sacrifice but it also came when Snoke the intended Big Bad of the Sequel Trilogy/Disney Trilogy was killed off without any hints as to his backstory and suddenly he's retconned as a puppet of Emperor Sheev Palpatine/Darth Sidious, the whole Final Order/Sith Eternal fleet, the character not even mentioning how he came back from the dead, the Jedi Order, the Republic and the Skywalkers being extinct plus it was a replacement for Duel of the Fates which would have done away this concept and instead seek to put a lot more focus on the cast and characters from the last movie
THANK YOU. That was worded in such an amazing few paragraphs, it might as well be etched into stone.
Wow the stories of star wars has gone to hell
Something that I'd like to highlight (from another comment, I just wanted to share this), is that in Legends when Palps was killed for the last time and all the Jedi ghosts came to get rid of him, one of them had to have been Anakin, so he STILL technically did his part in the prophecy, just later and with some help.
Stealing this
Yes the EU shows the ending of Return of the Jedi have meaning.
I can see Palpatine coming back to life in Legends has some pros and cons- so I'll try going over them step by step.
Let me start this off by saying this. Everyone loves Sidious. He's one of the best and most brilliantly conceived villains in the series next to Vader, and is by far one of the most recognisable characters in the franchise. To have him claim the title as the most powerful Sith Lord in the history of the Star Wars universe and then demonstrate it through not only his intelligence and fighting abilities, but also his use of the Force and ability to cheat death, is a really solid way of cementing him in that seat of power.
Balance in the Force. A balance between Light and Dark. Day and Night. Good and Evil. During the Republic's Reign, there were over ten thousand Jedi spread out across the galaxy doing their work- spreading hope and protecting the galaxy. That's ten thousand force users on the side of the light. And to oppose them, aside from the witches of Dathomir and other dark side groups from Legends, there are the two Sith- a Master and Apprentice. In order to combat the strength of the light, Sideous- and with the extension of his apprentices- became the embodiment of the Dark Side of the Force- all of the dark side manifested in him and being manipulated through the master of the Sith Order. Him eventually rising to the seat of political power and then wiping out almost all of the jedi across all of the galaxy, threw the galaxy- and by extension the force- out of balance, with most of the light being snuffed out. Taking this into consideration, as well as the years Palpatine spent plotting to destroy the Jedi Order and increase his power, I wouldn't be surprised if the man had a few aces up his sleeve- especially if things went south.
Now, the Chosen One was stated to bring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith (as Obi-Wan quoted). Anakin was said to be that Chosen One- and both the movies and the Clone Wars series confirmed this fact to be true. After Vader threw Palpatine over the Death Star's reactor and killed him, Vader/Anakin did in fulfil the prophecy by destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the Force once more. The Empire's hold of the galaxy started to crumble and Anakin's son, Luke, was able to bring the Jedi back into existence- in other words the light.
However, in order to maintain balance, the dark side will resurface once again to keep to the status quo. Amidst his crumbling Empire, Palpatine returned stronger than ever, to combat the Jedi once more. Yet Luke managed to defeat him- and amidst his death throes and his final, crumbling, dying clone body, the Skywalker family in its entirety were able to put the desperate Sideous down once and for all.
Overall, I find Palpatine's rise and fall to be both epic and frustrating- epic because it showed the journey of the franchise's biggest bad guy and the galaxy's greatest threat being halted at every turn, while his inability to just die permanently had me cursing him at the same time- but in a good way. However, I can see why some people would be upset.
Palpatine coming back after Vader kills him makes Vader's sacrifice seem kind of meaningless- and a lot of people tend to agree with this notion. However, I don't think it's as black and white as that.
Even though Sideous eventually resurrected himself, it doesn't detract from Vader's actions or sacrifice in the slightest. Not at all. In fact, not only do I see Vader once again finding his strength to finally and literally cast aside the dark side in the form of his master once and for all, but in an ironic and very karma-like twist, Palpatine was able to live through his failure to possess the Skywalker bloodline and reep the seeds that he sewed, as all his best laid plans AND back up plans were slowly, surgically and methodically picked apart and torn down one after the other. To see the once most powerful and feared being in the galaxy being reduced to the withered up, husk of a man he'd become in the comic above, and then being dragged kicking and screaming to hell by all the departed Jedi he'd murdered years ago, I think is a fitting end for a monster like him- so desperate to cling to life that he would resort to chasing after the family he'd tried so hard to own and use to his own, selfish ends.
Sure, all of the Legends stories were written by multiple authors. But you know what, it's these multiple authors- FANS of the original Star Wars trilogy in their own right- who knew Star Wars best and how the story should be told in between the movies and after. Timothy Zhan proved this, and so did so many others. That's what made the Extended Universe so great!
But now that the franchise has fallen into the hands of Disney- an organisation run by businessmen and businesswomen with their own political agendas and interests- the entire series has fallen flat on its face- and all the great legends we once knew created by fans, for the fans, and beloved by fans, has been cast into the same, black abyss Palpatine has been sent to.
And you know what, I have a sneaking suspicion the same thing is going to happen to him in this last movie- but with less taste. In fact, I foresee it... lol
How did you do this?? How did you predict this??!
This literal gem is just sitting here in the open and no one noticed.
You knew someone didn’t you??
This is the one legends story that is always the one to gets a lot of flak, I understand the reasons some might hate it. For me personally I enjoyed the story greatly sure there are some thing that disagree with, I mostly hated the fact that the empire just kept pulling a new super weapon out of their ass. I have no problems with Palps coming back to life as it shows him in his prime somewhat.
The reason they showed him continuously resurrecting was to show that if they did not stop him some way, he would never cease. It made the importance of his imprisonment much more urgent. This story is one of my favorites, as it shows just how great the lengths Palpatine would go to keep his power. And just how powerful he was.
@@Wh40kFinatic and proves that he's the real Sith Lord, not that shit version the world saw in that shitty movie
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul my lord
@@tako_kawaii1749 yes
It just ruins Anakin’s death
4:28 id love to see that visual of hundreds maybe thousands of Jedi slowly dragging Palpatines spirit kicking and screaming down to hell
Wow... So Lucas films could have still gone with the strong female lead they always wanted in the form of Leia taking up her brother's mantle and rescuing him, but instead they went the Mary Sue option and made Luke even worse
People are saying this is a bad story, but while I havent read it, it doesnt seem that bad. For one, its perfectly in character for someone like Palpatine to have backup plans like this. When you consider that his old master apparently had the ability to transcend death (necromancy? Its never fully specified), which is one of the things Palpatine admired, he would most certainly learn as much as he could about it and use it to his advantage in case of an untimely death (ROTJ). Luke turning shows he had flaws, but ultimately he was shown to learn from them and come back to the light, unlike canon Luke whose sole existence in the sequel is to die and set up the new protagonists.
Common misconception, Vader didn't sacrifice himself to kill Palpatine, the whole point was that he returned from the light, assume he died fighting Palpatine with Luke, would people still call that meaningless? Of course they would, but it was never the point, it's that Vader is now Anakin.
Fair enough, but Palpy coming back also takes away from the idea that Sith can't prevent themselves from dying. Escaping death by becoming a force ghost was an ability restricted to the light side. IIRC a person could only became a ghost through a selfless desire to guide those still alive and they had to be willing to accept death. It was ironic because eternal life could only be obtained by giving up the desire to live forever, and that's why the Sith could never do that. If Palpatine is able to resurrect himself that whole idea goes away.
@Blue Kunt If Luke was the chosen one then Vader's sacrifice lacks the weight it did in ep6.
If Anakin was the chosen one then Palpatine's return is taking a dump all over the prophecy of the chosen one. Which was bringing balance to the force by getting rid of the Sith in most desperate of times. If Palpatine can come back then how is Anakin's possible prophecy fulfilled? The guy whose death is essential for having balance in the force didn't die!
That's actually so much better than the dumpster fire that was movies 8 and 9
“I hated Dark Empire”
“Dark Empire ruined Vader’s sacrifice”
“Palpatine should never have come back”
“I’m glad Dark Empire is no longer canon”
Y’all Disney fan boys better shut up... your precious “canon” did the same...
The Dark Empire is Ten Times Better than the disney canon
And come on stop crying about vaders sacrifice not mattering without his sacrifice luke would have died the rebelion would be destroyed all of your beloved characters will be dead so there case closed
Thats... Thats exactly what sequels hater says with the movie
@@tomasgabrielcarrizo8342 i am not actually a sequel hater i just hate the people who cry about it and didnt get what they wanted
The Chosen One prophecy wasn't even a thing when Dark Empire came out
I hear a lot of people say that Palpatine coming back makes Vader’s sacrifice useless, it does NOT. Without Darth Vader’s sacrifice Luke would’ve died. And the empire wouldnt have suffered such a major blow. Yes I agree it lessens the impact but it still is important.
This doesn’t mean Vader’s sacrifice was meaningless because he still saved Luke which meant he saved the sword of the rebellion and thus saving the Jedi
Wow this is SO MUCH COOLER than Canon!! Damn I love these stories.
Same
"Transfer Essence" sounds like a Pokemon move.
decades before Pokemon how about you go read the comic before you comment.
You took that seven word comment way more seriously than you ever should have.
He be triggered m8. Must have given money for that useless billboard.
TheSly442 trigger alert someone butthurt.
TheOrangeType just correcting your ignorance and making suggestion
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To be honest, I love the aesthetic choice for making Palpatine look somewhat like Dracula.
Although the two story points were never meant to be connected, I always thought of it this way... Transfer essence may be as close as Palpatine got to Darth Plagueis's anti-death abilities. Which IF this was a canon ability, would have meant that he lied to Anakin before anointing him Darth Vader. He DID know how to cheat death. This is why the Dark Empire series you refer to in the video isn't compatible with the canon timeline. But it's a good story, especially Luke willingly let himself be turned just to understand the Dark Side and how to defeat it. It helped build Luke's backstory as a Jedi Master and lent further creedence to how he had an uncanny ability to convince dark force users to renounce their own wickedness.
Plagius never got anywhere beyond the testing phase of his anti-death powers. In legends only one force user has ever gained the power to prevent death. Cade Skywalker Anakin's descendent who has a force ability that does just that.
This would explain why Palpatine cared so much about Anakin. Not him, but his body. He then realized that no point in soul transference since Anakin is half machine, but had a apprentice who couldn't touch him, and no threat in the galaxy. Perhaps this was a better outcome. Perhaps Anakin too damaged to take a part of dna, so that's why he was so excited to hear about Luke.
I like this story better than the last Jedi, I really don’t see the problem with this.
Fenris0mega94
You and me agree.
Eye Above All You happy Palpatine is back?
I got a great idea for your next video, What if Darth Maul was a Jedi? Or maybe after that you can cover Marka Ragnos? After all that you could do a Who Was Yoda's Master video? Great content man seems so fresh and original!!! PS Great song choice, sounds so familiar.
It SOUNDS totally familiar!! a little too familiar hmmmm????
I'll be sure to make all of those videos you listed, don't you worry loyal fan of the fact free army! And thanks, that song is excellent for these videos. Can't believe I found it all on my own ;)
+MIKE ZEROH Probably because I used it my last video too.
This is fucking autistic.
make a vid of EVERY character in star wars. every clone, every imperial, every human, every alien, every droid.
Who is here after star wars episode IX trailer.
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LOL @ all the people shitting on the Dark Empire storyline, despite it making sense on different levels:
1) Palpatine has cloning tech.
2) Palpatine is a strong Force user who can manifest as a ghost. Just like Vader did.
3) A ghost can possess a body, so naturally Palpatine would create clones of himself for his spirit to possess.
Before you idiots attack the storyline, at least read the damn thing first. It's actually a pretty good story once you got down to reading it.
Oh, and by the way, IT WAS GEORGE LUCAS WHO CREATED THIS STORYLINE. The original makers of Dark Empire wanted a Vader impersonator. Lucas shot down the idea and told them to resurrect the Emperor instead.
You got to credit to the makers of the Dark Empire comics here.
Even though the overall concept of bringing back Palpatine is actually pretty stupid, at least they went all out with the concept and put as much effort and passion into it as possible. They give an explanation, a pretty cool story arc, and they did everything they could to make the idea work. And for all that hard work they put in, I’d say they succeeded.
Meanwhile, with The Rise of Skywalker, the filmmakers just used the concept as an excuse to finish an already f*cked film trilogy and ended up creating one of the worst conclusions to anything in fictional and cinematic history! F*ck you Disney!
“I hated how the Legends continuity brought back Palpatine. It’s so stupid. So glad it’s not canon.”
*palpatine comes back in Canon*
“That’s so awesome! I love that they’re bringing back such a great villain! Suck it, manbabies!”
I actually haven't seen anyone praise Palpatine's return.
@Horse Dude Mhm and where are you seeing people being hypocrites at? So everyone who likes how Disney brought back Palpatine automatically hated the dark empire version and are automatically hypocrites and being double-standard? Or how about some of them don't like how dark empire brought him back but liked how Disney did it? You're making a huge generalization when it's not that simple, buddy. And unironically using the word normies makes you sound ridiculous lmao
Horse Dude Lmao the only salt here is the saltiness coming from you and your hatred of Disney. And besides it’s fiction (not real in case you need that clarified) and Star Wars is meant for children so just relax it’s not that deep lmao. They’re just movies.
Horse Dude lmao nice gate keeping u got there, bud. It’s just fiction. Relax. :)
Horse Dude ok
I love how classically vampiric they draw Palpatine in the younger bodies. So powerful, so many diabolical plans he executes in his mind.
Legends > Disney's Canon
This aged well.
@Palpatine McSenateFace I think you're missing the irony in the fact that he enjoyed _Palpatine coming back_ and by extension, enjoyed Legends more than Disney canon.
@Palpatine McSenateFace That's fine, I respect your opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that the reasoning OP implied became super ironic.
He made it seem like this storyline is one of the reasons why.
@Palpatine McSenateFace Yeah, same lmao. That's not what I'm tryna say though. I just made an observation, that's all.
Disney's canon is shit. The original canon combined with legends creare a vast exciting dark universe. Disney just wants to make money off of some kid friendly movies.
Welp let's hope even a part of this gets adapted into episode 9...
I personally disliked the Idea of Palps getting reborn in Legends. Made the ending to Episode 6 seem more pointless then Episode 7
Ya!! So was Palpatine Snoke?
This all makes sense
@@viksaggu9085 - No, Snoke was Snoke. But Palpatine returning would mean the lore behind this video maybe true but with the whole, "Anakin Solo" thing was hopefully probably scrapped.
Well shit
This channel needs more subs. Keep it up guys!!!!
Thanks!
Personally, I think this is a far better ending for Palpatine than his 'death' on the second death star. He was a massive figurehead in Star Wars mythos and deserved far more.
Also, in these comics Palpatine also told Luke that when he died on the 2nd Death Star it wasn't the first time, either.
ShadowMan I think he was lieing about that
"It was still a more dignified death than the time I slipped in the shower."
Legends is so much cooler than Canon.
I don't know what's worse: Luke actually becoming a sith and falling to the dark side, or just going to an island to do nothing and die?
At least Legends Luke came back to the light and admitted to his mistakes, becoming a better person for it. 'Canon' Luke only came back at the very end after wallowing in his own misery for years, and just died without any opportunity to show how much he learnt from his mistakes.
Star wars the rise of Skywalker emperor is returning with first order.
HERE HERE!! Legends is so much better because it makes far more more sense. It also shows consistency with all 6 episodes. The original was carefully tailored by George Lucas while Disney's timeline is made only for show.
@@karenelizabeth1590 "Luke actually becoming a sith and falling to the dark side,"
To collapse it from within remember the mentality to have your enemies closer.
Robot Chicken Palpatine: "You know, looking back it all makes sense. Dream big, live big, love big... fall to your death down a giant f***ing hole. Now I know, which is exactly 0% of the battle apparently."
Everyone needs to keep in mind that Dark Empire predates the prequels by like a decade, as far as anyone at the time knew Anakin Skywalker was just a skilled starfighter pilot with a strong connection to The Force not some Messiah that’s Prophesied to bring balance and I’m gonna be honest I prefer that to what we got with the prequels (even if I love them).
Chosen one is a retarded concept
Palpatine: *comes back from the dead through possessing a clone or other human beings*
The Rebel Alliance/The New Republic: “How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!”
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Kylo ren cut snoke in half in throne room.
Mace Windu learned some dark side abilities but he stayed light!
palpatines return in canon and legends shows that he’s usually one step ahead of his enemys.
This is the one part of legends I don't like to talk about
Lol.
Why tho?
I think I would have been better if he didn't come back like 6 times. 1 or 2 would have been enough, lol.
yip
It is proof of Palpatine's power and obsession with it and immortal life. I think it built on his character tremendously outside what very little we saw of him in the original movies. His appearance in the original movies did not do his character justice. Personally, I liked it and I plan on purchasing the copies with the Legends banner when they are released.
Palpatine had that COD respawn time
Dark Empire has to have been my favorite Legends Comic Series. It had a damn good plot.
Woah, how have you not been torn to shreds at this point??
@@Couch_Banana because it has a good damn plot.
but when disney does it star wars is ruined forever right?
@@shearman360 yes, since they killed off Luke, Han, destroyed the New Republic after one blast, the jedi must after I created KYLO Ren cause I had a bad dream
Came back to this now that the Episode 9 trailer dropped and shocked us all.
they're pulling a damn dark empire...
Somewhere in a galaxy far far away, George Lucas is face palming at the whole new saga
it’s so cool to think Obi Wan and Anakin would be guarding the Emperor’s spirit while he endures eternal torment.
It sucks so much that his body starts to deteriorate rapidly after transfering his essence over to his cloned bodies, cursed to live as an old man even after getting a new body. The dark side has its cool aspects, but it sucks overall.
Less then 5 minutes of story, but every idea here is a million times better then anything in the two new movies we got from Disney. Shame we never get to see Luke becomeing a real Jedi Master :(
Kind of impressive how tenaciously he clung to life.
Anyone else dug this old video up after seeing the new EP9 Trailer?
people are saying that this is why the EU was wiped
personally i find the concept kinda cool. Its like Fighting Malak in Kotor 1, he just keeps on coming back.
couldnt agree more... really miss this kind of storytelling. this is what made SW great
Niall Duffield I think it was the 50 different super weapons that mostly do the same thing.
Legends: *detailed and thorough explanations about how Palpatine could possibly return*
The Rise of Skywalker: “Somehow, Palpatine returned”
Actually in TROS it’s explained in a book watch Star Wars Theory’s video on that.
@@OutOfIdeas9977 so you need a book to explain it
How poorly conceived
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul I mean in legends we also needed a book to explain so……….
@@OutOfIdeas9977 difference is that DE is the book, already explained in the first time.. Try harder next time
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul what’s “DE”?
LEGENDS: THE ONLY STAR WARS TIME LINE.
Legends: The shitty books both Timothy Zahn and George Lucas hates but yet freaks call it good
Episode IV-VI: The Sacred Cow trilogy, except for the Ewoks
Legends: The flawed but many diamonds in the rough expanded universe
Episode I-III: The trilogy everyone hated but now realize it had a good heart, the execution was flawed
Episode VII-IX: The trilogy everyone now hates but will eventually say is better than the inevitable future trilogy
Dade Lee Murphy You couldn't speak a more pure truth than that. Don't listen to these guys below. You are right. Legends in the only canon and will always be the best one. Even if the Legends timeline really is considerably bad, it's sure as hell better than any Disney Star Wars content Disney has and will put out ever.
You know that The Clone Wars isnt Legends, dont you?
@@EeniThesian66still better than that retarded asoka and acolyte shows
One of my favorite characters in the EU. I loved this.
I love Legends Palpatine. He had plans and each time got only defeated by traitors within his ranks
If Disney didn't fucked with Star Wars this perhaps would had made Palpatine an all time stronger and powerful villain than Sauron and Voldermort combined.
Sonikku El Hedgehog do you honestly think that the Idea of cloned Palpitines is good?
Sonikku El Hedgehog Palpatine IS much more powerful than Voldemort,thousands of times faster and God knows how many millions upon million times stronger.And that's in canon,in legends it's way more.
UNLIMITED POWER!!!!
The eu is so much better than what they have been throwing out since they deleted the eu from canon
Disney can completely write the EU as movies and freaks would say its shitty and EU is better.
Disney is somehow more incompetent than the EU, I thought this to be impossible, but no
“Roll it again...”
Im honestly glad this was removed from canon. It kinda cheapened Vader's sacrifice a bit.
It never was canon
It was canon before Disney took over, what are you talking about?
Theoretically? No. This would never have been referenced in any film. These levels of canon have always existed, Disney's takeover just made it more distinct. After all, the only canon to Lucas (And he determines it), is the films.
George Thomas Not essentially true, for example, it comes to my mind that Lucas himself considered Vaders secret apprentice to be canon. And he would have to know, you know
definitely
2:48 when you step on a lego
Can you do "How Luke got frozen upside down in the wampa's cave on Hoth?" How was his feet frozen?
well, Hoth is -180 degrees. so it's pretty easy for something to freeze, I'm 90% sure the wampa pissed on his feet
I always imagined the wampas could mold living spaces with bodily fluids like their excessive drool but I gotta say the piss theory is my new favourite.
With their saliva
Arnar Kristinsson literally just watched the movie last night and said this to my friends. How did the yeti forcefully freeze his feet there? What did he do hold him to the ceiling and sprayed water on his feet until it froze?
Angelo James Mordini How did he learn the force pull?
legends fans say darth maul should not have come back
yet palpatine comes back like 6 times, boba fett lives, darth maul was even brought back in legends
who cares what you say you a a fake fan that loves whatever disney crap come out with.
darth mauls revival was by George himself
i like rebels
i didn't like the force awakens
i am a fan, whether i like Disneys stuff or not
get out 10 year old kid
Yoda you call me ten but you are the one that mocks everything you dont like. your comments are unnecessary and just spread hate.
lmao
They're gonna bring Boba Fett back in canon too tho
And when was Maul revived in Legends?
As far as I'm concerned the 6 films made by George Lucas along with the Expanded Universe comic books, novels and video games will ALWAYS be the TRUE Star Wars canon!That Disney crap is nothing more than stupid Tumblr fanfiction!
LegendsofLegends19100 YES EEEXXXXACLYYYYYYYYY!
With the exception of some Canon sources such as the Darth Vader comics
We've got legends, "cAnnON", and the true cannon which is a small bit of "cAnnON", and a lot of legends.
Except for that fucking TCW
Still better then, “somehow Palpatine returned.”
Lucas wrote this off as acceptable yet he wants to claim Vader (really Luke's persuasion) killed the Sith for good, and removed a large influence of the Dark Side. Yet, Palpatine comes back showing that not just the Sith legacy, but that a Sith Lord can be immortal, too.
2:20 Uhm... Mace Windu?
Mace was a character who hade a natural connection to the dark side, he never really used it that often
james739123 His entire fighting style relied on the dark side.
Jen'Ari-Asha His entire fighting style relied on EMOTIONS, and the dark side of his opponent, not his own darkness
james739123 Emotion are of the dark side, at least as far as the jedi are concerned.
+Jen'Ari-Asha He was one of the very few Jedi to be able to do this, which is what made him very powerful.
palpatines legends timeline is so much more interesting than in canon but dont really thing he should come back in cannon unless its in a flashback in the new poe dameron comics or something
Since Disney just copies everything from legends (which makes no sense then just add things to legends) this is probably how he survived
Great video. That’s why palpatines cloning was so successful because his clones couldn’t resist it.
The Fan Animation of this brought me here LOL, Dark Empire Fight scene Animation was dope.
Also this is better than the Disney version.
Great video as allways you deserve more subscribers.
this story made palpatine more bad ass
I agree, snoke should take note on this
Seeing how Anakin Solo almost became a vessel for Palpatine, why not make Ben Solo a vessel for Snoke?
Honestly, i would love to see how Palpatine comes back in The Rise of Skywalker
@@hunter70558 Yeah, your mother was a bitch and your father was a bull! I guess it makes you a bullshitzu!
Sadly no good explanation only in the extended novelization gives you the answer and Mandalorian season two does reference of the Palpatine clone
So, this must have a connection to Snoke.
@@whatzittooya8117 Snoke was just Palpatine.
@@roglach4681 No Palpatine made Snoke.
Luke in Return of the Jedi: focus, just try to imagine him emerging from a cloning vat without his underwear
Luke in Dark Empire: OH NO HE'S HOT
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People are complaining how this cheapens Darth Vader’s death, but I think it really works well in the sequel trilogies. Ben wanted to finish what his grandfather started and he did. He sacrificed himself and ended the bloodline of the Skywalkers permanently. Also Darth Vader’s death was more or less a way of redemption that just happened to take form in a sacrifice.
If Luke was the chosen one, then okay however it would reduce the weight of Vader's sacrifice.
If Anakin was the chosen one then how was his prophecy fulfilled exactly?!
He came back to the light side for sure, but how exactly did he "bring the balance to the force"? He had to kill that Sith Lord. So when he's still alive Anakin's possible prophecy isn't fulfilled!
Great video. Interesting topic.
Thank you!
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Wow, Dark Empire always seemed relatively well liked. Surprised to see so much hate for it. I kinda think people are just hoping on the bandwagon.
Well i think it's because they don't understand that this comic was made before the prequels and therefor they say that this comic sucks because it makes the Prophecy of the chosen one meaningless
When Palpatine uses to much Dark Side Power
*Im too weak!*
this won't be out of character for palpatine.
It is so much better disney's version like WAY WAY over. The last scene where Palpatine defeated by all Jedi who were dead would be much, much much better fan service
If I had a nickel for every time Palpatine came back to life I would have 2 nickels which isn’t a lot but weird that it happened twice
I love the idea of palpatine coming back just shows how dangerous and resourceful he is, I don’t really care about Vader’s sacrifice. Palps is just badass
Agreed
Yes palp is a true sith, Vader is just broken Jedi
Who else watching this after hearing palpatine laugh in star wars rise of the skywalker?
Pretty much everyone.
The problem with removing finality and making death avoidable: it completely waters down the stakes.
This storyline gets a lot of hate but i actually really enjoyed it. I thought it was really well executed and the comic's art, though different, was really enjoyable. I think it also helps to make more sense of the overall storyline. Though the rebels won at Endor, the Empire was MASSIVE, and the rebels still would have had to fight a huge armada of enemy ships, except for the fact that the Empire was divided and leaderless. It is no great surprise that once Palpatine returned, the imperial forces reunited behind him and again took the galaxy.