Palpatine probably thought of protecting the galaxy the same as protecting his property. After repelling the Vong he would most likely keep the military machine running and begin preparations for the invasion of other galaxies to expand his empire.
@@nightterrors2976 He would have conquer the Hutts and the Unknown regions, then colonized the rest of the galaxy, and only then attempted conquest of other galaxies.
@@bizmasterTheSlavconquering the hutts has never been on his agenda. They run organizations so complicated and widespread the damage that would do isnt worth the reward which is very little since those organizations would just cease to exist or go further underground. Organized crime is far better to have in your back pocket than it is to go to war with them. The Hutts were simply the face of these organizations and a figure head can be negotiated with.
Palpatine did want peace but he wanted to make sure that the galactic government isn't weak enough to be unable to protect the galaxy from destruction. So Palpatine may be evil but he does have good intentions just a different way of achieving them.
No, he was pure evil. He wanted power, he didn’t care about the Galaxy in any way other than as a playground for himself to rule over. Why does he have to revoke the individual rights of the people? Why did he need to destroy the Jedi order and completely commit genocide on them? Why did he need to have super weapons like the Death Star or Eclipse Super Star Destroyer created when all he really needed were his fleets of normal Star Destroyers and some other variations of the design? It’s quite simple: he wanted power. He built the Empire so he would have the most power, he’s a Sith, and he always wanted to have power, which is what the Sith strive for. He believed himself to be a god, and wanted to rule over all others with impunity, and his orchestration of the Clone Wars and his many other atrocities and sins, make it clear that he was pure evil. He had no good intentions, he just wanted power, nothing more.
@@acrazysheepdog1555 Ya know there used to be a sith order that the jedi destroyed to two. While Palpatine left 100 jedi alive (to admit not on Perpose) he deserved revenge.
@@geoffnungari8466 what? The first Sith Empire under Naga Sadow? The same empire that attacked the Republic FIRST? The empire that killed and enslaved millions of innocent people in their selfish goal to rule the Galaxy? The same empire that was so blinded by dogma and propaganda that they basically did what Jim Jones did to his population by having most of their people kill themselves? The Republic didn’t really do any of the killing, the Sith populations across Sith space mostly did that to themselves, either out of fear and loyalty to their Empire and fear Republic retaliation, or were forced to by their leaders who would’ve rather have their people die than be captured by the Republic. The Republic’s “Sith Holocaust” was mostly not even their fault, it was the Sith’s, but the mass death was used by people like Darth Vitiate to galvanize their people into hating the Republic and Jedi. Make no mistake, the Sith, as usual, destroyed themselves, not the other way around.
For example the Holocaust - Hitler's idea was based on a wrong perception of evolution and genetic science, which can only be called a mistake (a devastating mistake that cost millions of lives, but nonetheless a mistake) and also the inclusion of feelings in his judgement (hatred towards the allied and blaming jews for ww1). But when we refuse to consider these things and just pretend he was an evil person, we fall into the trap where these mistakes would be repeated; and history's purpose should be to not let that happen after all. Also when we blindly hate on him we fall into the same trap as he did, feelings should not cloud our judgements (yep, with the Jedi on this one lol) What we should have learned from the Holocaust is that to be careful of what exactly science says, and excluding feelings when deciding on something - and blaming and hatred is not worth anything and will result in catastrophe sooner or later...but what lesson we ended up is that Hitler is a bad guy, racism is bad and blame it on him and move on
@@radiant3921 No for god's sake, I'm saying that taking sides should not be the option. There are no sides to take in history. You look at the reasons and move on, afterwards you will know what might happen after something like that happens again. That should be the purpose of history, and not taking sides, there are no heros or villains in history but people always associate their own heros and villains by their own perception and also associates loyaal and respectful emotions for the heroes and the opposites for the villains. I'm saying I don't think that should happen. In this example, I wanted to point out the fact that Hitler wasn't "evil" (no person is) but rather a different POV and a mistaken one.
What's more, Anakin joining Palpatine's noble cause effectively saved the galaxy from a pack of rabid younglings who were secretly plotting a mass-extinction event. The jedi were blind to the scheming of those Younglings, but Anakin caught it just in time and put a stop to their madness before it could begin.
Oh yeah, watching this video i realized that Star Wars, probably, was a huge inspiration for 40k. Palpatine literally is an Emperor, a saviour that was silently guiding his people to the right path and only became a ruler in time of his people's real weakness. Darth Vader is pretty much Horus. He also was "the chosen one" and also betrayed his master, dooming fall of Empire. There's a lot of similarities if you think about it.
If I remember right, Dooku would have built an empire even more human supremacist than Sidious did, so much so that Sidious actually comes off as the lesser of two evils in that regard since what Dooku envisioned was really dark...... The rise of God Emperor Dooku. Glory to the humankind!
The Republic and former Jedi Order were tearing the galaxy apart before Palpatine brought order with the Empire, Order 66, and preparing the galaxy against the Yuuzhan Vong
Everyone always says this but has nothing to back it up. Republic and the Jedi was way better and is no where near as bad as everyone says on the band wagon.
Do we ever get a closer insight into Palps inner thoughts and motives ? I'm curious if we ever get to see a more human side rather than just your stereotypical power hungry villain. The best villains are those with character.
Never. Especially now that SW belongs to Disney get ready now everything is just black and white and he’s just a supervillain and the other guys superheroes
Unfortunately, most book and comic writers are too dumb to realize that, and just made him more evil than in the films. Especially Disney era comic books, where it seems he existed only to punish Vader. Luceno's "Darth Plagueis" provides an interesting perspective, but not much on his thoughts (to preserve a twist), aside from him hating his family, esp. his dad. I'd recommend the comic books about anti-Sith coups, where Palpatine actually gets hurt and has to rely on his closeness with Vader to even survive. It's well shown that the two still had their friendship from the Clone Wars, until Vader finds out about his missing son (which makes him realize Palps lied that he killed Padme in anger).
There are clues in legends that say Palpy knew about the Vong, but no details other than they existed and were coming to invade. It wasn't Thrawn that told him about them though. It was Jorus C'baoth who commissioned Outbound Flight because he had a premonition about extra-galactic invaders.
1:00 OBJECTION! Palpatine did NOT blow up Alderaan! The Radio Drama adaptation (which would be a lower form of G-Canon = canon in places that don't contradict the films) established that Vader protested Tarkin's use of the Death Star without the Emperor's approval, and was rebuked by Tarkin. The Alderaan Tragedy was on Tarkin's megalomania, and was condemned by the Emperor.
#1. The rebels were terrorists . #2. The jedi were religious zealots that tried to assassinate the Supreme Chancellor. #3. The jedi planned on taking over the Republic after they assassinated Palpatine . #4. Luke Skywalker murdered over a million loyal Imperials that were serving their government when he blew up the Death Star . #5. The head of the rebellion was one of the corrupt senators that led to the death of the Republic.
Wow, that really changed my perspective on Palpatine. Even though he was a Sith and enforced his rule he did it with a greater goal in mind. Not that excuses any of his actions.
The more I learn about the Sith, jedi, dark side and light side, the more i realize the force is not biased to one or the other. It truly wants balance and uses both sides equally. If it wasn't for the Sith rising over the Jedi, then the Galaxy would not have been prepared for greater threats
Alderaan should have been invaded instead of getting blown up. However Bail Organa definitely turned a blind eye towards Rebel super weapons on his planet while pretending to be peaceful
The Empire is necessary evil. Even if you cut the Vong out of the picture, the galactic senate was full of factions who simply took advantage of both the Republic and the Jedi for their own ends. Selfishness ruled the galaxy. The Empire bent these factions on their knee and turned the galaxy towards a new goal of order and strength.
The Empire was an authoritarian nightmare. It was run by the Elite for the Elite like the Republic only they didn't even pretend to care about freedom.
@@ccsk6548 The elite usually get choked to death by Vader or electrocuted by the Emperor if they don't perform their jobs well. It was a meritocracy where a nobody can become big if they do their job.
I've tried to argue this same point. I can't say I am convinced, however I the fact that videos like this exist and can be made show how good a lore star wars has.
Self-preservation and altruism are not mutually exclusive principles. Palpatine was and is still exactly the monster he appears to be, but he was also extremely intelligent and forward-thinking, it's how he got to the position of Emperor in the first place. Like Julius Caesar, he identified a sick and fragile system that just needed a bit of war and a smart leader to take the reins and clear out the gunk. The difference is that Julius Caesar wasn't pure evil, and though he wanted power, his rule was buttressed by a strong sense of nationalism for his countrymen, so when he HAD that power, he executed policies that helped people and were well beloved BY the people. Palpatine's just a fuckin' dick and he executed repressive and harsh policies that restricted freedom for the sake of keeping his newly created empire in one piece.
In prequel trilogy Palpatine only pursued his selfish goals, such as becoming the emperor. There is no good in him. He and his master killed millions of lives by orchestrating the clone war. Sure, the Jedi order also had lost their way but they were not evil, just dogmatic and a bit arrogant.
Arrogant and selfish bro. They always believe they were the good guys and the justice guys but everywhere they went they almost always end up loosing all battles they face and things such as crime families, slavery etc..they let it slide cause they were focusing too much the war, and the war only effect then and those who need their help, they would always say "may the force be with you" or "this is not the jedi way". From my point of view, what Emperor Palpatine did, was the most right thing to do. Jedi rules were a lost cause to the galaxy. So they were arrogant, dogmatic and selfish
Come on nobody is perfect, jedi had their flaws but no Jedi had bad intentions like using political schemes to destroy a republic and install a one man dictatorship and killing innocent people like pawns. Jedi were no gods lmao. They were a limited number of people with limited power. How they were supposed to end all the crime, slavery etc in the galaxy. As we see like in the battle of genosis, a lot of Jedi died against droids. They are not invincible by any means.
@@alpd5329 hahaha i loved the last comment you made. However. Jedi should even had lead the clones into war if they were thinking straight in the first place. It is true that no one is perfect, but the jedi hypocrisy was their true doom. They lost their way long before the clone wars started. Peace comes with a cost. Sometimes its necessary to take risks to obtain victory. Just like Ahsoka did when raiding Mandalore, that wasnt the jedi way, but those people need help whatever the cost was. Even if the invasion was wrong. Back to the main topic, it is because of their limited vision on the galaxy they could not protect allies worlds when these were threaten (not all jedi were Anakin or Obi wan) and they lack of the military experience made them softer and easy to he destroy. They cannot be called peacekeepers if their peace meaning is to stay away from fights and injustice. They are not peacekeepers, they are arrogants and blind.
@@mistergasparazzi2356 "Arrogant and Selfish" Palpatine built a planet killing superlaser and then immediately sicced it on the Galaxy. And then he tried to do it again. And then he tried to do it a third time after coming back from the dead. In both Canon and Legends. And this isn't even counting the worlds upon worlds he senselessly exterminated. The man was a power hungry psychopath and a literal analogue for Satan. The fuck is this nonsense that Palpatine "ran the Galaxy better"? The Jedi may have neglected slavers and crimelords, but Sheev actively allied with crime lords and mandated slavery throughout the Empire. How do you think he built his superweapons? With unionized labour? Why do you think the Empire allied itself with the Zygerrians and the Hutts? Because they appreciated their architecture and cuisine? If your argument is "the cops aren't doing enough to tackle organized crime" you don't get to then turn around and tell me that Al Capone was a great guy. What the fuck are you on about that "the Jedi were arrogant". I'd rather arrogant than literally psychotic. The mental gymnastics required to give this argument any weight whatsoever are absurd.
Forget it you are forgetting one thing even though they didn't have a standing army they did already have a Navy because they already had the Venator class Star Destroyers.. on a side note since I'm assuming that the invasion of the Yuuzan Vong happened after the events of episode 9, that more than likely if they had been able to get the Xyston class Star Destroyers deployed away from Exegol, they would have been a formidable Force as well against the Vong, based on their having the advantages of the mobility of a star destroyer but the Firepower of a Death Star with the super laser placements along the Keel. Those could have effectively opened a serious can of whoop-ass on the Yuuzan Vong.
I would not go as far as saying Palpatine was a good guy, his actions are just too horrible. But I like the way of thinking about him as the one misunderstood guy that actually knew about the threat the galaxy would have to face.
There is both pros and cons from both sides. Im team jedi but I still believe the jedi werent always right and did have a lot of flaws. Only if they could have come to some agreement or treaty
Palpatine was just letting his fear of the Jedi cloud his judgement and it led him to the dark side. That's what I thought of when I read the title of this video.
'Watchmen' explores the same moral conundrum with Ozymandias representing the consequentialist philosophy and Rorschach representing the relatively Jedi-like deontologist philosophy.
If galen marek or his clone had been in the new jedi order series either one would have been an a valuable ally to the new jedi and the republic considering how powerful he was with the light and dark sides of the force. As for palpatine i'd say that even if he had survived and defeated the vong he would only be doing so for his own benefit in other words he would save the galaxy to secure his own power. Still i do agree that he could have prevented so many people from dying in the yuuzhan vong war. However palpatine had plans to conquer other galaxies and who knows how many people in those other galaxies would die in that conquest.
SW viewers: "When I first heard of Palpatine, I thought that he was an evil Sith overlord who wanted nothing more than to rules the galaxy, destroy all of the Jedi, execute Order 66, brainwash and torture force-sensitive children into serving him, destroy planets that oppose his rule, and snuff out any form of rebellion." Vader's Fortress: "...aaaaaaaaand?" SW viewers: "And he is."
To everyone saying palaptine was Purley selfish and wanted the galaxy all to himself and rule it forever prove it because if that was the case why did he want vader to become stronger than him and take his place and make the new generation of sith stronger . If he really wanted power all for himself he wouldn't want to vader suprass him and take the thrown.
I love these sort of videos lol. As for the question at the end... He was an evil maniac, but had some redeeming qualities (at least in Legends, in the movies hew had zero).
@@grimlord3181 Almost none, the only one off the top of my head was he was preparing the galaxy for the Yuuzhan Vong, but I threw the comment out there since I knew there would be that one "Well ackshually..." guy.
It was actually Jedi Master Luke Skywalker that had remarked "Had the Republic still had the "Galaxy Gun" they would have stood a better chance battling the Vong". The Galaxy Gun (Warning: These are from SW Legends and NON canocal). The Galaxy Gun basically was an immense hyperspace capable mobile gun platform that was able to launch a very special type of Proton Torpedo that could bypass the limits of hyperspace. (Perhaps early sub hyperspace research) to send the torpedo to any planet in the SW galaxy in a matter of minutes to perhaps a few hours and decimate the planet or even star with a warhead powerful enough to "shift" the planet or stars material into the quantum realm. A truly nasty bit of engineering. Later we saw a perhaps canocal version of this gun in The Force Awakens that sent a beam of energy (not a torpedo) to planets possibly thousands of light years away and destroy them. Starkiller Base would have also been an incredible weapon against the Vong. And we werent told if the base could achieve hyperspace itself.
Edit: So basically if the SW Galaxy didn't have Palpatine's research and scientists like Galen Erso (before betrayal) they would have not only lost to the Vong, but also been blasted back to their pre hyperspace times.
Let us not forget who ordered the mass genocide of jedi younglings, or planets in fact. No , palpatine was undeniably the villain, he only built his navy to spread fear. And even if it was to fight outside invaders, everything would be at his benefit anyway. He lusted power and was uncaring of who he killed to get it, be they innocent or not.
Ask any non-human or person living in the Outer Rim about life in the Empire. There had to have been better ways to prepare for invasion besides creating a horrible empire for most of the galaxy’s population. Even when the Republic had the clone army, it still kept many morals alive as the Clone Wars raged on. And Palpatine never told the public about the invaders even after becoming emperor to justify his empire. There may be a few points the Empire makes about democracy being corrupt, but it did few things to convince people it was better besides bringing order at the cost of freedom. You need a balance, not one more than the other. And this is so far only for Legends, so does he have some other justification in canon or is he sci-fi Hitler to the core?
What you're also forgetting is that the republic basically had no actual power over a big part of the outer rim. Lots of worlds in the hands of crime families etc. Also lots of planets in the outer rim joined the CIS. The empire was more oppressive there for these reasons which in turn got more resistance going. It became a vicious circle.
How is it living under a fucking anarchy rebel regime or corrupt monarchy? Literally you're either be poor as fucking dirt and live in cave or you'll be smuggling stuff, do ancap kinda shit or join to the "rebel army" and fight against order holding galactic empire. Or join to one of countless gangs that kinda just rule on uncontrolled by Empire planets. Unified militaristic Galactic Empire provides it's people with stability and protection, with prospects of better future in comparision to what they had (stagnation).
More importantly than them being not very effective against the Vong, the Jedi, despite their claims of peacefulness, were very much interventionist when a government not to their liking ruled the Galaxy, and even took over the remains of the Republic for about a millenium following the first New Sith War. THEY would intervene with lightsabers the moment a Jedi Grandmaster decided that the Star Destroyers / Death Star was too much. They HAD to be removed to conserve the military machine through the years until the possible Vong invasion. ANOTHER rarely seen, but powerful force, the Caamasi, have also been a shadow player inside the Republic, responsible for toppling down the chancellors they didn't like (in fact, it was the Caamasi-Jedi coup that toppled the Pius Dea regime after its final expansion). It's no wonder that the creation of the Empire necessitated the destruction of the Jedi and the crippling of Caamas for Palpatine.
Personally, I’ve always viewed Palpatine as an anti-hero. Also Lucas confirmed he thought he was in the right. “One of the issues in all of this, is that the bad guys think they're good, and Lord Sidious thinks he's bringing peace to the galaxy, because there's so much corruption and confusion and chaos going on, and that now he's going to be able to straighten everything out, which may be true, but the price the galaxy's going to have to pay for it is way too much.” __ George Lucas__ Revenge of the Sith Commentary
Anti - *villain* ...... Annnnnd.... No . He was absolutely, an unapologetically *EVILLLLLLL* ASF, Villain... *And you just wanted to kick his ass more....* Every step of the way.
Palpatine couldn't have cared less for the people of the Galaxy. He would happily let the Vong massacre the outer rim if he thought it would increase his power. He's a Sith his literal only goal in life is increasing his power. People who think the Sith and Empire did no wrong are the embodiment of you missed the point by admiring them.
It's just what I tell since many years. 😂😂😂 Finally someone who helped my Argumentation. 😁👌 Thanks a lot! Ahh including the jedi thing. They would have been a constant threat to him, because Jedi hate Sith their existence. (Because they are extremely dangerous indeed). They wouldn't send him to court, even if he did literally nothing wrong. But the potential danger would be enough to simply kill him. 🤷 Also, with him, being a Sith, he is in the historic duty to take revenge against the Jedi because of the Holocaust they did against the Sith thousands of years ago. 🤷 They also have the prophecy of one that brings back the balance. But balance isn't 10 thousand against two. 🧐 So... Some guys must simply go and since thousands of years, the Jedi where pretty lame at their own chosen job. 🤔 I mean.. just ask Qui Gon or Count Doku, how well Jedi are choosing to solve problems and help people who need them. 💁🏻 I haven't seen a Jedi running a bakery. But they are well feed and own hundreds of giant temples. Weird if they just own clothes and sword. 🤔 But check out the galaxy map and ask your self, why it isn't hard to find slavery not only outside of the galaxy. ☺️
Even assuming everything in this video is true, I still say Palpatine was a villain. Sure, he could have saved the whole galaxy from the Vong, but he would have abused the Empire's military machine and ruled with an iron fist. Of course, the interesting thing about power is that you usually stop being a good guy once you have enough of it.
To be honest that's actually a good question is Palpatine evil or corrupted and did he himself view himself as evil or believed he was actually protecting the natural order of things, and I think that's actually a huge mistake people make, when judging Palpatine's character but in my opinion Palpatine actually does have some good in him, there are times when he shows general concerns or even traces of possessiveness and it would actually make sense, because darkness feeds on fear and grudges, and for that to occurre Palpatine must had sincerely believed that Jedi were in the wrong, felt betrayed and afraid, and he would not have felt that if he was fully evil and agent of darkness. I believe if Palpatine would be fully evil he would not care about being in charge and controlling people but rather he truly believed that only through total control and forceful guidance of the strong the weak can enjoy peace and prosperity and for that reason he wanted to establish the society that ruthlessly enforced the laws favoring the strong that were capable to lead over the weak that were to be lead.
Well.... To be the devil's advocate.... It was not Palpatine who destroyed Alderaan. It was Tarkin. If you order a nuclear bomb and someone use it to destroy a city, are you to blame for it?
consequentialism means the ends justify the means. it wouldnt be murder if u were killing the guy attempting to kill people. the end justified the mean because the killing act was in defense of others. no wrong was committed. killing isnt inherently evil.
Bane created the version of the Sith order which allowed Palpatine to achieve his goals so he is just as instrumental in saving the galaxy from the Vong. Remember it was the ancient Sith that helped saved the galaxy from another brutal race of conquerors the Rakata and their vast infinite Empire. So perhaps the Sith are just misunderstood over all.
My ideal lightsaber would be mace windu’s lightsaber. I feel like as one of the few main black characters in stars it always gave me someone I could see myself in when I was younger look up to. he is portrayed as powerful, intelligent and has a dark side that that he controls with discipline. #giveaway #myfirstsaber #macewindu.
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Did he just call George Lucas a republic sympathizer? Lol
Lmao 😂
Jedi sympathizer
more like darth talon sympathizer or something
@@legodarthvader8367 ayo a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do
@@nightterrors2976 yes.
Palpatine probably thought of protecting the galaxy the same as protecting his property. After repelling the Vong he would most likely keep the military machine running and begin preparations for the invasion of other galaxies to expand his empire.
The empire technically didn't control all of the galaxy during their time
@@nightterrors2976 He would have conquer the Hutts and the Unknown regions, then colonized the rest of the galaxy, and only then attempted conquest of other galaxies.
I'd argue it wasn't his property because people still owned property.
@@Alte.Kameraden Same with land in the US. People 'own' it but legally really the gov does
@@bizmasterTheSlavconquering the hutts has never been on his agenda. They run organizations so complicated and widespread the damage that would do isnt worth the reward which is very little since those organizations would just cease to exist or go further underground.
Organized crime is far better to have in your back pocket than it is to go to war with them. The Hutts were simply the face of these organizations and a figure head can be negotiated with.
Thank you for speaking up about those terrorists and how I was the good guy all along.
What a great name 😂
@@Charlienator3000 likewise
@@HideousSideous Why, thank you!
All Palpatine ever wanted was a Safe and Secure Society, he did nothing wrong!
Long Live the Empire!!
If the empire are so good than why do they show the empire as the antagonist?
@@Salik96 The truths we cling to very greatly depending on your Point of View!
@@GeoEmperor- That still doesn't answer my question.
@@Salik96 then watch the video
@@GeoEmperor- I did but your ignoring my question.
Palpatine did want peace but he wanted to make sure that the galactic government isn't weak enough to be unable to protect the galaxy from destruction. So Palpatine may be evil but he does have good intentions just a different way of achieving them.
A Sith form of good
No, he was pure evil. He wanted power, he didn’t care about the Galaxy in any way other than as a playground for himself to rule over. Why does he have to revoke the individual rights of the people? Why did he need to destroy the Jedi order and completely commit genocide on them? Why did he need to have super weapons like the Death Star or Eclipse Super Star Destroyer created when all he really needed were his fleets of normal Star Destroyers and some other variations of the design?
It’s quite simple: he wanted power. He built the Empire so he would have the most power, he’s a Sith, and he always wanted to have power, which is what the Sith strive for. He believed himself to be a god, and wanted to rule over all others with impunity, and his orchestration of the Clone Wars and his many other atrocities and sins, make it clear that he was pure evil. He had no good intentions, he just wanted power, nothing more.
He had no good intentions whatsoever; he only wanted to protect the galaxy because it was HIS galaxy.
@@acrazysheepdog1555 Ya know there used to be a sith order that the jedi destroyed to two. While Palpatine left 100 jedi alive (to admit not on Perpose) he deserved revenge.
@@geoffnungari8466 what? The first Sith Empire under Naga Sadow? The same empire that attacked the Republic FIRST? The empire that killed and enslaved millions of innocent people in their selfish goal to rule the Galaxy? The same empire that was so blinded by dogma and propaganda that they basically did what Jim Jones did to his population by having most of their people kill themselves? The Republic didn’t really do any of the killing, the Sith populations across Sith space mostly did that to themselves, either out of fear and loyalty to their Empire and fear Republic retaliation, or were forced to by their leaders who would’ve rather have their people die than be captured by the Republic. The Republic’s “Sith Holocaust” was mostly not even their fault, it was the Sith’s, but the mass death was used by people like Darth Vitiate to galvanize their people into hating the Republic and Jedi. Make no mistake, the Sith, as usual, destroyed themselves, not the other way around.
I like that Star Wars is deep enough that it's not just all good and evil, but rather people with opposing viewpoints who consider the other side evil
You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on one’s Point of View.
May the Force be with you
So like real life
For example the Holocaust - Hitler's idea was based on a wrong perception of evolution and genetic science, which can only be called a mistake (a devastating mistake that cost millions of lives, but nonetheless a mistake) and also the inclusion of feelings in his judgement (hatred towards the allied and blaming jews for ww1). But when we refuse to consider these things and just pretend he was an evil person, we fall into the trap where these mistakes would be repeated; and history's purpose should be to not let that happen after all. Also when we blindly hate on him we fall into the same trap as he did, feelings should not cloud our judgements (yep, with the Jedi on this one lol)
What we should have learned from the Holocaust is that to be careful of what exactly science says, and excluding feelings when deciding on something - and blaming and hatred is not worth anything and will result in catastrophe sooner or later...but what lesson we ended up is that Hitler is a bad guy, racism is bad and blame it on him and move on
@@darksecret6050 Are you defending the Holocaust? I can't tell
@@radiant3921 No for god's sake, I'm saying that taking sides should not be the option. There are no sides to take in history. You look at the reasons and move on, afterwards you will know what might happen after something like that happens again. That should be the purpose of history, and not taking sides, there are no heros or villains in history but people always associate their own heros and villains by their own perception and also associates loyaal and respectful emotions for the heroes and the opposites for the villains. I'm saying I don't think that should happen. In this example, I wanted to point out the fact that Hitler wasn't "evil" (no person is) but rather a different POV and a mistaken one.
What's more, Anakin joining Palpatine's noble cause effectively saved the galaxy from a pack of rabid younglings who were secretly plotting a mass-extinction event. The jedi were blind to the scheming of those Younglings, but Anakin caught it just in time and put a stop to their madness before it could begin.
One of the greatest Lord's of all time...
Truly the Lord we needed and deserved
@@GeoEmperor- I agree 👍
Wtf i love Palpatine now
If I have learned ANYTHING from 40k it is that no price is too steep to ensure the survival of humanity. The Emperor protects!
Oh yeah, watching this video i realized that Star Wars, probably, was a huge inspiration for 40k.
Palpatine literally is an Emperor, a saviour that was silently guiding his people to the right path and only became a ruler in time of his people's real weakness.
Darth Vader is pretty much Horus. He also was "the chosen one" and also betrayed his master, dooming fall of Empire.
There's a lot of similarities if you think about it.
If I remember right, Dooku would have built an empire even more human supremacist than Sidious did, so much so that Sidious actually comes off as the lesser of two evils in that regard since what Dooku envisioned was really dark...... The rise of God Emperor Dooku. Glory to the humankind!
The Republic and former Jedi Order were tearing the galaxy apart before Palpatine brought order with the Empire, Order 66, and preparing the galaxy against the Yuuzhan Vong
Long Live the Empire!!
Everyone always says this but has nothing to back it up. Republic and the Jedi was way better and is no where near as bad as everyone says on the band wagon.
@@spikey288 agreed
He causes that mess that was the whole point.
*Palpatine was a hero, the Rebels just couldn't it!*
Do we ever get a closer insight into Palps inner thoughts and motives ? I'm curious if we ever get to see a more human side rather than just your stereotypical power hungry villain. The best villains are those with character.
Never. Especially now that SW belongs to Disney get ready now everything is just black and white and he’s just a supervillain and the other guys superheroes
Doesn't seem like it, and I hope it stays that way.
I think he only fully embraces the dark side. There is no morality or conscience in a human way. He is following the will of the Force, albeit dark
Unfortunately, most book and comic writers are too dumb to realize that, and just made him more evil than in the films. Especially Disney era comic books, where it seems he existed only to punish Vader. Luceno's "Darth Plagueis" provides an interesting perspective, but not much on his thoughts (to preserve a twist), aside from him hating his family, esp. his dad. I'd recommend the comic books about anti-Sith coups, where Palpatine actually gets hurt and has to rely on his closeness with Vader to even survive. It's well shown that the two still had their friendship from the Clone Wars, until Vader finds out about his missing son (which makes him realize Palps lied that he killed Padme in anger).
It would be cool. I would love to see a movie about that
I do think that this explains more what Palpatine did and why but doesn't justify it
This was very well put together,I love this
There are clues in legends that say Palpy knew about the Vong, but no details other than they existed and were coming to invade. It wasn't Thrawn that told him about them though. It was Jorus C'baoth who commissioned Outbound Flight because he had a premonition about extra-galactic invaders.
Thrawn later confirmed it to Palps.
1:00 OBJECTION! Palpatine did NOT blow up Alderaan! The Radio Drama adaptation (which would be a lower form of G-Canon = canon in places that don't contradict the films) established that Vader protested Tarkin's use of the Death Star without the Emperor's approval, and was rebuked by Tarkin. The Alderaan Tragedy was on Tarkin's megalomania, and was condemned by the Emperor.
team sith all day everyday.
We ARE the Sith!!!
Prefer Dark Jedi before Lucas ruined it. 😅
#1. The rebels were terrorists .
#2. The jedi were religious zealots that tried to assassinate the Supreme Chancellor.
#3. The jedi planned on taking over the Republic after they assassinated Palpatine .
#4. Luke Skywalker murdered over a million loyal Imperials that were serving their government when he blew up the Death Star .
#5. The head of the rebellion was one of the corrupt senators that led to the death of the Republic.
Totally unbiased xD
Wow, that really changed my perspective on Palpatine. Even
though he was a Sith and enforced his rule he did it with a greater goal in mind. Not that
excuses any of his actions.
Nah, he just wanted to rule and couldn't do that if the galaxy was destroyed.
@@grimlord3181 good point.🤔
The more I learn about the Sith, jedi, dark side and light side, the more i realize the force is not biased to one or the other. It truly wants balance and uses both sides equally. If it wasn't for the Sith rising over the Jedi, then the Galaxy would not have been prepared for greater threats
Palpatine was based. He knew that the Rebel Alliance would lead to a degenerate society.
This is presented so well
I bet kreia would fall in love with the Vong, they can't feel the Force.
You gotta be kidding me right?
palpatine only had is own self interest in mind, and he was wise enough to know a strong enviorment is good for him
i’ve heard this argument before and it’s a legends retcon.
Alderaan should have been invaded instead of getting blown up. However Bail Organa definitely turned a blind eye towards Rebel super weapons on his planet while pretending to be peaceful
It was more fun to blow it up
We cannot tolorate with "factory" of terrrorrsit organization
The Empire is necessary evil. Even if you cut the Vong out of the picture, the galactic senate was full of factions who simply took advantage of both the Republic and the Jedi for their own ends. Selfishness ruled the galaxy. The Empire bent these factions on their knee and turned the galaxy towards a new goal of order and strength.
The Empire was an authoritarian nightmare. It was run by the Elite for the Elite like the Republic only they didn't even pretend to care about freedom.
@@ccsk6548 The elite usually get choked to death by Vader or electrocuted by the Emperor if they don't perform their jobs well. It was a meritocracy where a nobody can become big if they do their job.
Lmao jedi sympetizer George Lucas 😄
I've tried to argue this same point. I can't say I am convinced, however I the fact that videos like this exist and can be made show how good a lore star wars has.
On a serious note, people use the Vong as a crutch for Palpatine and the Empire
Every regime uses outside threats to justify their immoral actions, no matter what flavor of ideology.
Self-preservation and altruism are not mutually exclusive principles. Palpatine was and is still exactly the monster he appears to be, but he was also extremely intelligent and forward-thinking, it's how he got to the position of Emperor in the first place. Like Julius Caesar, he identified a sick and fragile system that just needed a bit of war and a smart leader to take the reins and clear out the gunk.
The difference is that Julius Caesar wasn't pure evil, and though he wanted power, his rule was buttressed by a strong sense of nationalism for his countrymen, so when he HAD that power, he executed policies that helped people and were well beloved BY the people.
Palpatine's just a fuckin' dick and he executed repressive and harsh policies that restricted freedom for the sake of keeping his newly created empire in one piece.
This is now the non canon reason for the Death Star. It was to be used against the extra galactic invaders as a defensive weapon.
In prequel trilogy Palpatine only pursued his selfish goals, such as becoming the emperor. There is no good in him. He and his master killed millions of lives by orchestrating the clone war.
Sure, the Jedi order also had lost their way but they were not evil, just dogmatic and a bit arrogant.
Arrogant and selfish bro. They always believe they were the good guys and the justice guys but everywhere they went they almost always end up loosing all battles they face and things such as crime families, slavery etc..they let it slide cause they were focusing too much the war, and the war only effect then and those who need their help, they would always say "may the force be with you" or "this is not the jedi way". From my point of view, what Emperor Palpatine did, was the most right thing to do. Jedi rules were a lost cause to the galaxy.
So they were arrogant, dogmatic and selfish
Come on nobody is perfect, jedi had their flaws but no Jedi had bad intentions like using political schemes to destroy a republic and install a one man dictatorship and killing innocent people like pawns. Jedi were no gods lmao. They were a limited number of people with limited power. How they were supposed to end all the crime, slavery etc in the galaxy. As we see like in the battle of genosis, a lot of Jedi died against droids. They are not invincible by any means.
Palpatine was so selfish he even screams "POWAAA UNLIMITED POWAAA"
Gaining power was his only drive
@@alpd5329 hahaha i loved the last comment you made. However. Jedi should even had lead the clones into war if they were thinking straight in the first place. It is true that no one is perfect, but the jedi hypocrisy was their true doom. They lost their way long before the clone wars started. Peace comes with a cost. Sometimes its necessary to take risks to obtain victory. Just like Ahsoka did when raiding Mandalore, that wasnt the jedi way, but those people need help whatever the cost was. Even if the invasion was wrong.
Back to the main topic, it is because of their limited vision on the galaxy they could not protect allies worlds when these were threaten (not all jedi were Anakin or Obi wan) and they lack of the military experience made them softer and easy to he destroy. They cannot be called peacekeepers if their peace meaning is to stay away from fights and injustice. They are not peacekeepers, they are arrogants and blind.
@@mistergasparazzi2356 "Arrogant and Selfish"
Palpatine built a planet killing superlaser and then immediately sicced it on the Galaxy. And then he tried to do it again. And then he tried to do it a third time after coming back from the dead. In both Canon and Legends. And this isn't even counting the worlds upon worlds he senselessly exterminated. The man was a power hungry psychopath and a literal analogue for Satan. The fuck is this nonsense that Palpatine "ran the Galaxy better"? The Jedi may have neglected slavers and crimelords, but Sheev actively allied with crime lords and mandated slavery throughout the Empire. How do you think he built his superweapons? With unionized labour? Why do you think the Empire allied itself with the Zygerrians and the Hutts? Because they appreciated their architecture and cuisine?
If your argument is "the cops aren't doing enough to tackle organized crime" you don't get to then turn around and tell me that Al Capone was a great guy.
What the fuck are you on about that "the Jedi were arrogant". I'd rather arrogant than literally psychotic. The mental gymnastics required to give this argument any weight whatsoever are absurd.
Forget it you are forgetting one thing even though they didn't have a standing army they did already have a Navy because they already had the Venator class Star Destroyers.. on a side note since I'm assuming that the invasion of the Yuuzan Vong happened after the events of episode 9, that more than likely if they had been able to get the Xyston class Star Destroyers deployed away from Exegol, they would have been a formidable Force as well against the Vong, based on their having the advantages of the mobility of a star destroyer but the Firepower of a Death Star with the super laser placements along the Keel. Those could have effectively opened a serious can of whoop-ass on the Yuuzan Vong.
There are villains and heros on both sides.
I would not go as far as saying Palpatine was a good guy, his actions are just too horrible. But I like the way of thinking about him as the one misunderstood guy that actually knew about the threat the galaxy would have to face.
You would say if the Jedi took over than it would’ve been worse?
Wouldn't call him "misunderstood" either.
This is basically a big Star Wars answer to the Trolley Problem … and not one I’d agree with.
I can not believe You could say that. You were supposed to destroy the Sith not join them! To bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!
Palpatine and the Emperor of mankind from Warhammer 40k sound so similar that they could easily be best buds.
Emperor Palpatine was not only a good guy, but he had a great sense of humor (unlike the terrorist Jedi fundamentalists).
Palpatine was always my favorite character performed by great Ian McDiarmid 😊👍
There is both pros and cons from both sides. Im team jedi but I still believe the jedi werent always right and did have a lot of flaws. Only if they could have come to some agreement or treaty
I will never quit I will never give in, I need the COUNT DOOKU LIGHTSABER
Palpatine was just letting his fear of the Jedi cloud his judgement and it led him to the dark side. That's what I thought of when I read the title of this video.
But he was always on the Dark Side.
While I can understand Palpatine’s motivation, I don’t agree with his methods to save the galaxy.
Nice guy Palpatine, Great take. Would’ve been great if they used the Vong and outer rim as the premise for the sequel trilogy
COMPNOR approved 💪🏻🗿👍🏻.
It was always a point of view. Palpatine new the Republic was far too weak to deal with the Yuzung Vong.
'Watchmen' explores the same moral conundrum with Ozymandias representing the consequentialist philosophy and Rorschach representing the relatively Jedi-like deontologist philosophy.
If galen marek or his clone had been in the new jedi order series either one would have been an a valuable ally to the new jedi and the republic considering how powerful he was with the light and dark sides of the force.
As for palpatine i'd say that even if he had survived and defeated the vong he would only be doing so for his own benefit in other words he would save the galaxy to secure his own power. Still i do agree that he could have prevented so many people from dying in the yuuzhan vong war.
However palpatine had plans to conquer other galaxies and who knows how many people in those other galaxies would die in that conquest.
He single handedly unite the galaxy
I had hoped that the sequel trilogy would have done the Yuuzhan Vong but we got 💩. Man it could have been awesome sauce 🙄…
SW viewers: "When I first heard of Palpatine, I thought that he was an evil Sith overlord who wanted nothing more than to rules the galaxy, destroy all of the Jedi, execute Order 66, brainwash and torture force-sensitive children into serving him, destroy planets that oppose his rule, and snuff out any form of rebellion."
Vader's Fortress: "...aaaaaaaaand?"
SW viewers: "And he is."
The Zila episode make extremely more sense now
eVERYONE IS prosperous under Palpatine. Down with the Rebellion
HeyLook. Palps mghta been a little iffy on the morality scale but the man made the BEST refreshments! OH YEAAAHHH!
What is the purpose of Operation Cinder if Palpatine’s purpose was to defend the galaxy from the Vong?
Operation Cinder was a stupid idea from Disney
To everyone saying palaptine was Purley selfish and wanted the galaxy all to himself and rule it forever prove it because if that was the case why did he want vader to become stronger than him and take his place and make the new generation of sith stronger . If he really wanted power all for himself he wouldn't want to vader suprass him and take the thrown.
I love these sort of videos lol.
As for the question at the end... He was an evil maniac, but had some redeeming qualities (at least in Legends, in the movies hew had zero).
What redeeming qualities did he have in Legends?
@@grimlord3181 Almost none, the only one off the top of my head was he was preparing the galaxy for the Yuuzhan Vong, but I threw the comment out there since I knew there would be that one "Well ackshually..." guy.
It was actually Jedi Master Luke Skywalker that had remarked "Had the Republic still had the "Galaxy Gun" they would have stood a better chance battling the Vong". The Galaxy Gun (Warning: These are from SW Legends and NON canocal). The Galaxy Gun basically was an immense hyperspace capable mobile gun platform that was able to launch a very special type of Proton Torpedo that could bypass the limits of hyperspace. (Perhaps early sub hyperspace research) to send the torpedo to any planet in the SW galaxy in a matter of minutes to perhaps a few hours and decimate the planet or even star with a warhead powerful enough to "shift" the planet or stars material into the quantum realm. A truly nasty bit of engineering. Later we saw a perhaps canocal version of this gun in The Force Awakens that sent a beam of energy (not a torpedo) to planets possibly thousands of light years away and destroy them. Starkiller Base would have also been an incredible weapon against the Vong. And we werent told if the base could achieve hyperspace itself.
Edit: So basically if the SW Galaxy didn't have Palpatine's research and scientists like Galen Erso (before betrayal) they would have not only lost to the Vong, but also been blasted back to their pre hyperspace times.
For a while, I'm been meaning to get a mug glazed with "Emperor Palpatine did nothing wrong!"
Let us not forget who ordered the mass genocide of jedi younglings, or planets in fact. No , palpatine was undeniably the villain, he only built his navy to spread fear. And even if it was to fight outside invaders, everything would be at his benefit anyway. He lusted power and was uncaring of who he killed to get it, be they innocent or not.
Okay first of all Palpatine didn’t expect tarkin to destroy Alderaan with the Death Star. 1:00
The Yuuzhan Vong somehow made me remember Defense Grid
The God Emperor Leto II also wanted safety & peace for his subjects as well and it took him 3500+ years to accomplish this mandate.
That intro felt generation tech
I all ways like Palpatine lol strong great public speaker and guaranteed security through out the galaxy and beyond......long live the empire
Finally someone understands me
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Ask any non-human or person living in the Outer Rim about life in the Empire. There had to have been better ways to prepare for invasion besides creating a horrible empire for most of the galaxy’s population. Even when the Republic had the clone army, it still kept many morals alive as the Clone Wars raged on. And Palpatine never told the public about the invaders even after becoming emperor to justify his empire. There may be a few points the Empire makes about democracy being corrupt, but it did few things to convince people it was better besides bringing order at the cost of freedom. You need a balance, not one more than the other. And this is so far only for Legends, so does he have some other justification in canon or is he sci-fi Hitler to the core?
What you're also forgetting is that the republic basically had no actual power over a big part of the outer rim. Lots of worlds in the hands of crime families etc. Also lots of planets in the outer rim joined the CIS. The empire was more oppressive there for these reasons which in turn got more resistance going. It became a vicious circle.
hes a great man i hear hes a peaceloving warlord
No longer canon. So therefore, just evil.
How did the common people feel about living under a repressive Sith regime? It seems nobody ever asked them about it.
How is it living under a fucking anarchy rebel regime or corrupt monarchy?
Literally you're either be poor as fucking dirt and live in cave or you'll be smuggling stuff, do ancap kinda shit or join to the "rebel army" and fight against order holding galactic empire. Or join to one of countless gangs that kinda just rule on uncontrolled by Empire planets.
Unified militaristic Galactic Empire provides it's people with stability and protection, with prospects of better future in comparision to what they had (stagnation).
They didn't know about the Sith.
Borsk Fey’lya was a dingleberry
More importantly than them being not very effective against the Vong, the Jedi, despite their claims of peacefulness, were very much interventionist when a government not to their liking ruled the Galaxy, and even took over the remains of the Republic for about a millenium following the first New Sith War. THEY would intervene with lightsabers the moment a Jedi Grandmaster decided that the Star Destroyers / Death Star was too much. They HAD to be removed to conserve the military machine through the years until the possible Vong invasion. ANOTHER rarely seen, but powerful force, the Caamasi, have also been a shadow player inside the Republic, responsible for toppling down the chancellors they didn't like (in fact, it was the Caamasi-Jedi coup that toppled the Pius Dea regime after its final expansion). It's no wonder that the creation of the Empire necessitated the destruction of the Jedi and the crippling of Caamas for Palpatine.
Personally, I’ve always viewed Palpatine as an anti-hero. Also Lucas confirmed he thought he was in the right.
“One of the issues in all of this, is that the bad guys think they're good, and Lord Sidious thinks he's bringing peace to the galaxy, because there's so much corruption and confusion and chaos going on, and that now he's going to be able to straighten everything out, which may be true, but the price the galaxy's going to have to pay for it is way too much.”
__ George Lucas__
Revenge of the Sith Commentary
Anti - *villain* ...... Annnnnd.... No . He was absolutely, an unapologetically *EVILLLLLLL* ASF,
Villain...
*And you just wanted to kick his ass more....*
Every step of the way.
Well done
Name one thing that the Empire did that wasn't justified. (No Disney Star Wars allowed)
the deathstar mite have also been made to be produced on a larger scale to combat the world ships of the Vong
Palpatine couldn't have cared less for the people of the Galaxy. He would happily let the Vong massacre the outer rim if he thought it would increase his power. He's a Sith his literal only goal in life is increasing his power. People who think the Sith and Empire did no wrong are the embodiment of you missed the point by admiring them.
It's just what I tell since many years. 😂😂😂
Finally someone who helped my Argumentation. 😁👌 Thanks a lot!
Ahh including the jedi thing. They would have been a constant threat to him, because Jedi hate Sith their existence. (Because they are extremely dangerous indeed). They wouldn't send him to court, even if he did literally nothing wrong. But the potential danger would be enough to simply kill him. 🤷
Also, with him, being a Sith, he is in the historic duty to take revenge against the Jedi because of the Holocaust they did against the Sith thousands of years ago. 🤷
They also have the prophecy of one that brings back the balance.
But balance isn't 10 thousand against two. 🧐
So... Some guys must simply go and since thousands of years, the Jedi where pretty lame at their own chosen job. 🤔
I mean.. just ask Qui Gon or Count Doku, how well Jedi are choosing to solve problems and help people who need them. 💁🏻
I haven't seen a Jedi running a bakery. But they are well feed and own hundreds of giant temples. Weird if they just own clothes and sword. 🤔
But check out the galaxy map and ask your self, why it isn't hard to find slavery not only outside of the galaxy. ☺️
Legend palpatine was a very complex villain.
Even assuming everything in this video is true, I still say Palpatine was a villain. Sure, he could have saved the whole galaxy from the Vong, but he would have abused the Empire's military machine and ruled with an iron fist. Of course, the interesting thing about power is that you usually stop being a good guy once you have enough of it.
I was hoping that the date of the video was April 1st, would’ve made it funnier.
Aldaran never happened, but it should have.
Long live the Empire #palpatinedidnothingwrong
To be honest that's actually a good question is Palpatine evil or corrupted and did he himself view himself as evil or believed he was actually protecting the natural order of things, and I think that's actually a huge mistake people make, when judging Palpatine's character but in my opinion Palpatine actually does have some good in him, there are times when he shows general concerns or even traces of possessiveness and it would actually make sense, because darkness feeds on fear and grudges, and for that to occurre Palpatine must had sincerely believed that Jedi were in the wrong, felt betrayed and afraid, and he would not have felt that if he was fully evil and agent of darkness. I believe if Palpatine would be fully evil he would not care about being in charge and controlling people but rather he truly believed that only through total control and forceful guidance of the strong the weak can enjoy peace and prosperity and for that reason he wanted to establish the society that ruthlessly enforced the laws favoring the strong that were capable to lead over the weak that were to be lead.
Nah, he was pure evil as he should be.
Well....
To be the devil's advocate....
It was not Palpatine who destroyed Alderaan.
It was Tarkin.
If you order a nuclear bomb and someone use it to destroy a city, are you to blame for it?
Wasn't he trying to stop the Yukon slov or w.e they are called?
Damn am I seriously debating whether or not Palpatine was the good guy?
He's not.
consequentialism means the ends justify the means. it wouldnt be murder if u were killing the guy attempting to kill people. the end justified the mean because the killing act was in defense of others. no wrong was committed. killing isnt inherently evil.
Bring back the acolyte!
Please no
He was a maniac for a reason to be a maniac
Good guy palpatine not like the corrupt jedi order stealing children to use as child soldiers
You can save the galaxy AND be an evil maniac at the same time ;)
I believe he was both good and bad he was a sith but he did wanted to stop the vong
Nah, he was just bad. He only wanted to stop the Vong to keep his power.
TH-camrs: "Palpatine created the empire to protect the Galaxy against the Yuuzhan Vong"
Darth Bane and the Rule of Two Sith: "Are we a joke to you?"
Bane created the version of the Sith order which allowed Palpatine to achieve his goals so he is just as instrumental in saving the galaxy from the Vong. Remember it was the ancient Sith that helped saved the galaxy from another brutal race of conquerors the Rakata and their vast infinite Empire.
So perhaps the Sith are just misunderstood over all.
I think Palpatine forced him to post this
My ideal lightsaber would be mace windu’s lightsaber. I feel like as one of the few main black characters in stars it always gave me someone I could see myself in when I was younger look up to. he is portrayed as powerful, intelligent and has a dark side that that he controls with discipline. #giveaway #myfirstsaber #macewindu.
Mace: "AM STILL ALIVE MOTHER FUCKER"