Both teams miss home plate in the same game, a breakdown
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to be fair when you’re playing on the road it’s easy to miss home
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Pirates fans just surprised we weren't involved in this game.
Yes I am very surprised
They were definitely involved in spirit
Pirates never touch home plate.
Yep. Thought it was the pirates before i clicked
They're still chasing Baez.
He was def blocking the plate
That's what i was thinking. I wouldn't mess with putting my hand anywhere near someone else's cleat. I was already scared for his hand.
I thought that was a bad call, too. Is he supposed to try to slide through the catcher's legs?
agreed, and I'm a Cardinals fan
@@LennonMarx420 basically
It sure appeared that way to me. What was the runner supposed to do, run him over?
NFL: we have every camera angle imaginable.
MLB: we got a couple.
Astros: We have ever single camera angle of the plate ever made.
@@joeyjojojr.shabalou174 *everyone watching the replay in New York*
"We have exactly 2 camera angles and we don't care about either of them"
It's because of the covid rules or else both broadcasts show up with their cameras, when only the home broadcast has cameras that means half as many of them.
To be fair, the MLB replay review rule just recently got implemented, so up until now, they never really needed cameras in position to catch close calls because reviewing plays wasn’t a thing until very recently. The NFL only had a few cameras until replay review became a thing, then they added more cameras in order to get the good angles.
@@joeyjojojr.shabalou174 LMAOOO because they cheated
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@Noah Berry Don’t let this distract you that in fact the Blue Jays lost to the Yankees
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@@epikkai7420 yes it is :(
Mostly. He gets some words wrong. For instance, in this video I don't think the ump said "body positioning".
“Says body was protecting the whole plate”
Can you breakdown the Phoenix suns vs Denver nuggets brawl in the stands between fans? It was glorious.
PLEASE!
Suns in 4! Sums it up 😂😂
This would be hilarious
PLEASE
Nah the NBA is woke
His hand touched the plate, yadis shoe just blasts it out of the way as he’s sliding by.
Yadis whole body is blocking that plate without possession. There is no path to the plate. What’s he supposed to do slide between his legs?
Ikr, I hate when they do it. Like the runner can’t do anything.
From now on, all catcher's should just stand with one foot on each side of the plate, leaving just an arm-width lane in the middle. Apparently, as long as it is technically physically possible to touch the plate, catcher's good.
then if he slides between his legs then he is still out due to the rule. (i think its called the buster posey rule or its because of posey's collision)
That's the problem with the MLBs current review system, if Duvall had been called safe there then replay would've affirmed that as well, the call on the field shouldn't matter, reviews should be objective, not influenced by the flawed human judgement of an on-field official with one shot to make a call
I mean to me it looks more like his arm got bashed away by the catcher's arms even though he didn't have the ball.
So even though he pretty much slid in the lane that the umps wanted him to, he still got pushed out of it, which should count as blocking imo.
Edit:
Spelling mistake
It’s a ridiculous call on the Duvall play, becuz either he or yadi could have easily been injured if he does anything different there. Not sure what they expect him to do
That's good baseball. I'm glad they let it stand
@@nailersrule agreed
as a cards fan, i can admit we get some weird ass calls that go in our favor
@@nailersrule How is that good baseball? Legitimate question.
He could have mowed Molina down and been well within his rights but then he'd be the bad guy for hurting a veteran.
Duvall looked like he does touch the plate with his hand on the original
Yeah, I don't think any of the blocking the plate thing matters, 100% his hand hits the plate next to the catchers foot.
@@nathand6467 Thing is there’s no definitive way to rule on it, while the blocking the plate call SHOULD have been much easier. Pretty obvious blocking, not sure how they fucked up that call on a review...
100% tbh, wasn't the worst blown call by any means but in retrospect it was definitely the wrong call.
It looks like he touched the plate in the first clip. The way he doesn't immediately spin to the plate tells me he thought he had it but reacted to the Cardinals contesting the plate again.
should've just strolled to the dugout like he touched it the first time. ump's initial call might have been safe, then it would have been really hard to overturn
He totally touched the plate.
@@cpresto2 "If it's close, act like you won"
always double check when you slid home.
Ew Verlisify
Holy shit, yadi's blocking the plate. A lane to the plate has to be from where the runner is actually coming from, not behind yadi. Technically on that logic unless a catcher is literally sitting on it, they're never actually blocking the plate.
If you watch it frame by frame, Yadi is in front of the plate until the ball arrives, then he starts to block it as he moves to tag the runner. That would 100% legal if he had never dropped the ball.
The question becomes though, is it now blocking BECAUSE he dropped the ball. I dont know if the rule sufficiently addresses that situation.
@@fomori2 the answer is yes. If it isn’t, then kill the catcher every time because it’s better to take out the catcher and lose the run than lose the run and get nothing for it.
The runner is probably going to be out regardless if the catcher can smother the plate. Make
Him pay for it.
@@fomori2 but the fact that he dropped the ball means he didn't have possession of it, and I though possession was what allowed you to block the plate, not just that the ball had arrived
It's the MLB man I really think the umpires just kinda make the rules up as they go along. You could replay that a million times to a group of umps and each time they'll make a different decision and then come up with some explanation of why they made it. They're explanation for this one is basically that the runner had to do some kind of 360 degree magical slide to get around Yadi rather than just using common sense and saying he was blocking the plate.
Both catchers blocked the plate but the MLB never calls it. Catchers can defacto block the plate and will until someone calls them on it and slides into their knee
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Runner literally could not touch home without breaking his arm.
Right? How the fuck is that not blocking the plate...
Mlb rules/umps are dogshit
Apparently MLB thinks he should have trucked Yadi here. That's the only real way he has a path to the plate.
@Coding Crusader he's sliding away to avoid the tag as much as possible like they teach you... the catcher thought he had possession of the ball and moves to cover the plate and tag the runner. but since he didnt have the ball his move to cover the plate should have been illegal. he also keeps his pivot foot on the plate the whole time. so either the runner breaks his arm back from sliding into the plate with what little room he has or he has to go around his foot on a catcher who is covering the plate illegally. this is coming from someone who is not a fan of either team
@Coding Crusader yeah he could also just choose to slide right into the plate and Yadi... and break his ankle instead.
If Yadi didn't have his foot literally on the plate then his hand would have touched home plate. How is that not blocking the plate? So by that ruling, I can lay on top of home plate but leave just a little bit of room for a hand, effectively shrinking the size of home plate, and it would be legal? Makes no sense at all... but it's 2021, common sense isn't common anymore in anything
Yes, that little space is a lane.
Gonna be tough to make that catch laying down. And i don't think anyone would feel bad for you when the runner slides feet first into home.
It's because he was making a play on the ball. If the ball was still 50 feet from the plate, he would have been called safe because the catcher would have to leave a lane, but since the ball was being fielded, the blocking the plate rule doesn't apply. If he had caught the ball instead of bobling it, nothing would have been in question is a good way to look at it.
go back to 0:28 and pause. right as he's receiving the ball there's almost half the plate open for a slide. had he not dropped the ball it would've been a clean play. there's no possible way for him to realize he dropped it and magically stop all his momentum to get out of the way in the one second it took for him to drop it.
So you can actually shrink the size of the touchable plate making it harder for your hand to touch and that's alright? It's totally antithetical to the rule. Fact is his hand would have touched exactly where his foot was based on the momentum of the play but it was blocked by his foot. Leaving a tiny lane is still blocking the part of the plate where he would have touched and been safe. Where's the limit to how much you're allowed to block before it's blocking the plate? If you can't block the plate anymore then every square inch should be available to the runner
Gotta love Waino and Yadi’s relationship
wait a minute, *neither* of these teams is the Pirates??
Both are just as bad, you're not alone out there in heads down baseball land
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Look for an asylum right away
I liked the days when you could just absolutely truck the catcher and if they lost possession you were safe. So entertaining.
So unsafe
Catchers aren’t nearly as talented as they used to be. Last thing we need is the ones we have dropping like flies from injury
@@yeminadiv if you don’t wanna get trucked don’t block the plate🤷♂️
Yeah, they need to get some old hockey players to play Catcher no one would run them at the plate.
Zzz
I can't believe the pirates weren't involved somehow.
Adam Wainwright and Yadier Molina
Name a better bromance, I'm waiting
Trevor Bauer and Ken Rosenthal.
Old school but sweet Lou Whitaker and Alan Trammel? Yeah Unfortunately I’m a Tigers fan:(
@@MinistryOfMagic_DoM lmao, I wasn't expecting something so perfect.
Joey Votto and Jim Day
Bob Davidson and Charlie Manuel.
“I admire you” says the HOFer 😂
both are HOFers
@@sebastianvega434 highly questionable
@@A.B.421 He’s been the best catcher for over a decade
@@kevtherapperandfoodreviews5708 I think he's questioning whether Waino is a HOFer.. not many people will argue against Yadi.
@@kevtherapperandfoodreviews5708 I’m talking about Wainwright
Do you want the runner to blow up the catcher or not. Yadi’s foot was clearly intended to block home plate. Next time just slide into the catcher I guess.
The first runners hand may have looked like it hit the plate but the way he turned towards home after his slide makes me think he whiffed.
Agreed.
The second one is much closer on the step to me. But the first one just didnt have the reach
@@carsonstoochnoff3371 Yeah I’d be pretty confident in saying he touched home if I had to make that call and as a runner you (should) always go back to touch home if it’s close at all, especially if you don’t see the umpire call you safe
Waino and Yadi the real team of the century!
There's another angle on Carlson's where he clearly dragged his toe across the plate. That's why he was saying he touched it. They blew it on his play.
And equally, I love Yadi, but he was def blocking the plate lol. The runner's hand would have been all over the plate if his foot wasn't completely in the way.
Agreed. And Yadi wasn't obstructing. go back to 0:28 and pause. right as he's receiving the ball there's almost half the plate open for a slide. had he not dropped the ball it would've been a clean play. there's no possible way for him to realize he dropped it and magically stop all his momentum to get out of the way in the one second it took for him to drop it.
@@kliether33 I agree with you there. I keep trying to look at it and see if there's a way that I can justify saying he didn't block the plate, but I just can't.
@@alexn78666 I see what you're saying there. I'd only been focusing on where the closeup shots start and not what leads up to those shots. The only thing I can say is that he puts his left foot ON the plate and completely eliminates any chance of Duvall getting there, but like you said, he was also fielding the ball. I'm completely grasping at straws here, but I think the bottom line is that it's ridiculous that we even have to have these conversations in the first place.
@@alexn78666 that was my first thought as to the reasoning as well.
But considering the shit that has passed as "blocking the plate" in the past, I find that call more than a little suspect.
And FFS. This is MLB & the "inconclusive" shit needs to stop. They need to buy better cameras, buy more of them, and hire people to chop up footage so accurate calls can actually be made or just end replay altogether.
This is approaching my level of frustration with replay in women's volleyball where they actually have dedicated cameras for replay but not a single one of them runs at more than 10 FPS.
I would have missed home too staring at Yadi’s dope Jordan 10 cleats... notice he was somehow involved in both plays? Not a coincidence!
"Birds vers Fish": had me laughing from the get go. Haha. 😂
Birds Vs. Fish lmaoooo🤣
I was at this game and based on what the fans were shown on the big screen, it definitely looked to me like Duvall should've been safe
Duvall did get home plate….just don’t think a review would have confirmed cause of the catchers cleat being in the way when the hand made contact
I love the freeze frame at 3:21 where Molina has his hands in the air, excited and then you cut to him with his hands on the back of his head, clearly confused and upset.
When I saw the title, my first thought was "What did the Pirates do now?"
Yeah two teams missed home plate. Pirates vs Orioles? Didn’t know that was on the Interleague Play schedule this year.
Imagine your opponent misses home play… “YES!” And then….
He totally blocked the plate
Also he didn't have possession of the ball as he blocked the plate lol
He thought he was getting the ball in his glove so he was moving to block the plate and make a swiping tag what should he do stop all momentum and float in the air to make sure he can tough home
Thx for the video you make awesome ones. I feel like a dbag for complaining about sound quality the other day. Thats my bad. Probably was my lousy tablet. You keep me up to date on the cool stuff in the games AND youre hilarious. Friggin double play ball right there. Thx!!
I was at this game!!!! When O'Neill hots the ball you can see me for a brief moment. Epic
Hand definitely touched the plate and Yadi was definitely blocking the plate
He touched his foot that was on the plate that was clearly blocking the plate without control of the ball. Safe.
The title of this video already had me dying of laughter before I even clicked on it 😂😂
"And they admire each other" Jomboy, please never change
This feels like a Pirates versus Orioles thing to happen
TIL Mattingly is STILL the Marlins manager somehow...??
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@@bhunts2539 In the video description.
@@bhunts2539 it’s in the description I think
As a lifelong non-fan of baseball, has this "missing the bag" thing always been so common? Based on this season's breakdowns it seems like MLB's collective IQ has plummeted lol
It’s not common at all so it’s incredibly interesting when it does happen. You have to remember its 162 games for 30 teams. Anomalies happen. The fact that it happened twice in a game is crazy. Hope Jonboy is helping ya become a fan! Have a great day!
Its also because of modern technology. Back in the day decisions were made on what the umpires believed to see.
@@idkjustchangingmyname7343 I was at the game and we were in total disbelief at Carlson. Had a good laugh about the Duvall play then karma came back and got us. Unbelievable how much Carlson missed the plate
@@187Overkillah exactly, we have much more technology now to go back and watch every play over and over from usually multiple angles.
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 Duval I can understand. I think he actually might have hit the plate but there was def not enough evidence to overturn. I played ball for a few years had a similar thing happen as Carlson immediately turned and dove. Thankfully I was safe. Missing home has to be the worst feeling ever.
BODY POSITIONING ON THE HOME PLATE
BODY POSITIONING ON THE HOME PLATE
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I am not from the states, I never watched baseball, but somehow I watch all of jomboy's breakdowns.....
Blocking the plate, I miss the days when you got straight ran through.
Problem was, it was shortening many careers... especially catchers.
@@victorbonilla4634 I totally understand why it went away. As a kid growing up, that’s all you ever wanted was to see a catcher standing in your base path.
I don't miss broken ankles and arms because you truck a catcher
These catchers need to stop being in front of the bag before they have the ball not for nothing but I’m cracking Alfaro at the plate, it should be called obstruction by the catcher.
“get off the tracks when the trains comin through butthead.” -Rube Baker
They just need to go back to letting go back to plowing the catcher it would help ratings
@@carsonstoochnoff3371 Yadier is made of Cardinalium, the strongest element in the universe. Plus I would love to see some scuffles, just like hockey teams. Back in the day they used to clear the dugouts pretty often.
Alfaro is going for the ball. That's allowed. No way would that be obstruction
@@carsonstoochnoff3371 IDK do what they did before the rule change.
If you watch at 0:27 as the throw is coming in, Yadi is not blocking the plate. He turns as the ball arrives to apply the tag and it actually would have been a clear out had he not dropped the ball as he went for the tag. There was a clear lane before the ball arrived, and Yadi blocked the plate only after the ball got to him. He just dropped the ball in the process of trying to make the tag. Additionally the rule states "Not withstanding the above, it shall not be considered a violation of this Rule 6.01(i)(2) if the catcher blocks the pathway of the runner in a legitimate attempt to field the throw (e.g., in reaction to the direction, trajectory or the hop of the incoming throw, or in reaction to a throw that originates from a pitcher or drawn-in infielder)."
I can't get over "birds vs fish" 😂😂😂😂
As a cardinals fan it was nice to see them win a game in what felt like forever
Do Yaz's Grandslam
Bird Squad or Fish Gang?
Who you repping
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Duvall should've been ruled safe.
Isn’t it obstruction if he tags him without the ball? Does that not count for plays at home?
No
@@cardsfighter2 2-22-1 Obstruction is an act (intentional or unintentional, as well as physical or verbal) by a fielder, any member of the defensive team or its team personnel that hinders a runner or changes the pattern of play as in 5-1-3 and 8-3-2; or when a catcher or fielder hinders a batter as in 5-1-2b, 8-1-1e, 8-3-1c and 8-3-2. When obstruction occurs, the ball becomes dead at the end of playing action and the umpire has authority to determine which base or bases shall be awarded the runners according to the rule violated (Exceptions 8-4-2c, 8-4-2d).
2-22-2 A fake tag is an act by a defensive player without the ball that simulates a tag. A fake tag is considered obstruction.
@@sk33t_38 This wasn't a fake tag. He just dropped the ball in the process of trying to make the tag. Not obstruction.
@@sk33t_38 you spent time looking it up and pasting it. Still wasn't obstruction
@@cardsfighter2 yeah....I pasted the rule to back your point....
I love how yadi goes from hands up to hands on helmet in disbelief
3:32 LMFAOOO what a goof didn’t even touch the plate
first player definitely touched home
also, these stupid calls could easily be removed by letting runners run over catchers who are blocking the plate again.
Carlson touched home plate with his shoe dragging across
That’s what I thought too, but really bad running
I thought that too. Honestly the one who messed up the worst on the play is Yadi because for some strange reason he was telling Carlson not to slide (as in there's no play at the plate) even though there was, so I don't think you can blame Dylan for looking back there.
I'm a little sad he didn't mention this. Seems like he missed it
@@TheEloheim maybe, but you can blame Carlson for not touching home
@@rrosomasa No doubt.
“birds vs fish” lmao
Carlson wasn't saying he got back to the plate. I think he was saying he dragged his toe after initially missing the plate on the step. CardinalsGifs on the Tweety Bird app has footage of it
If it was literally any other catcher there, it would have been called catcher’s interference. I hate how often Yadi is treated like he does no wrong by the MLB
Catchers interference has nothing to do with blocking the plate and also he wasn't blocking the plate
There was a lane.
When I seen this live I knew there was gonna be jomboy video 🤣
glad to see jomboy blew up been watching since 50k
That slide by the Marlins dude at home is really dangerous without an oven mittt yadi was so close to breaking his hand with those shins
0:18 The ball turns to the left here instead of going straight on. That's why the fielder missed it.
The best part of post covid baseball is the return of Jomboy's legendary lip reading
I’ve never played baseball but some of these breakdowns makes me think I’d be okay at the game lol
As a Cardinals fan since like 2003, Duvall looked safe with his hand.
“Sneaky swim move” 😂
I don’t know about you guys but I love these break downs
One of the best openers, "Bird vs Fish"
Instantly got my attention
Saw the title and though it was gonna be the pirates lmao😂
You should do the Jose Ramirez (I think that was who it was) in a failed rundown by the Orioles (I think) where not only did they fail to run him down and let him get to second, they let him go to third after he was lying facedown on the ground touching second base.
Duvall has the most Jeter-esque stance and swing I’ve seen in a while.
Hmm... let's take a look..
Jeter a bit more leg separation in the closed stance...but close enough.. swing identical....👍⚾
I just looked this up. Yadi joined the Cardinals in 04 and Waino joined in 05. Love em.
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“No, that was all you! I admire you!”- Said Yadier Molina, NEVER. 😂😂
But it wss hilarious to imagine though.
Cardinals fan here. The first clip Molina was definitely blocking the plate. You can see the hand going toward the plate and Yadi's knee pushes it away. If there's any time to implement that rule...
i was instantly laughing when you said bird vs fish
I was at this game with my dad (massive cardinal fan) and I looked at him and was like JOMBOY BETTER COVER THIS OR ILL CRY thank you jomboy thank you 🙏🏻
As a Pirates fan I was fully expecting my team to be involved in this one. Mildly surprised.
I don’t think I have ever seen a play like that once, let alone twice in the same game by each team!
🕹⚾️
It amazes me in all the years baseball has been played professionally and all the games how you can see something different in almost every baseball game. Such an interesting sport
“Birds vs Fish”😭
The Cardinal player that missed home is the centerfielder that whiffed on catching the ball during the play where the Marlin player missed home.
holy smokes yadi reacted so fast to wainos call. almost like they know each other inside out
As a cards fan, was waiting for this breakdown lol
Please break down the Sox Ray's game from yesterday, just a great game ending with a walk off and some great bottle dumps.
A nice ball don’t lie moment
Saw the title and I thought my Pirates were playing each other in a split squad scrimmage.
Man I wish I was not so broke or otherwise I'd drive to denver and see you guys. Anyway welcome to colo boys
Jomboy I love your breakdowns I seldom disagree, that is why I have point out this is why touching the bases even when it is a home run is important. It is what makes baseball baseball.
"No. That one's on you. I admire you." that's a riot. Far more likely one said to the other, 'fuckin' A, bubba!'
That Carlson gaff ... SMH 😩
But Yadi was telling him to stay standing so you can see he was confused