Pitchers cheating with sticky stuff, a breakdown
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The Atheltic article on the topic: theathletic.com/2603443/2021/05/21/what-are-we-even-doing-here-around-baseball-players-raise-concerns-about-pitchers-use-of-foreign-substances/
The Chris Rose Rotation episode where they discuss this: th-cam.com/video/7Oe4_38xqcE/w-d-xo.html
Elmers glue sticks should be the only legal substance
@@agentdub3366 And not just in baseball either, but across the board, in all walks of life-everyone has to MacGyver their way through life using only Elmer’s Glue Sticks and their wits.
What are your thoughts on Cole suddenly becoming the best pitcher in the league once he went to the Astros? Nervous at all?
But it's not cheating...
If MLB was an actual sport then maybe you could say it was cheating...
But you forget this is entertainment...
Why is Angel Hernandez still an umpire?
Because it adds to the entertainment Factor.
I took a refereeing class that was taught by an NBA ref and his first instruction to us was...
This is not the NBA... The NBA is an entertainment show and it is choreographed to some extent.
Certain teams will never win because that wouldn't be good for the business...
Umpires referees in professional sports are there to put the fix in for the team they want to win.
The motion of shot is not a real thing, it is an entertainment crutch to keep the game going and exciting...
If you see a player take more than three steps when they're shooting it's called traveling...
He went on to say every sport does it...
He said look we all know that professional wrestling is 100% choreographed, but what you have to realize is that all professional sports are an entertainment business they are not an actual true sporting competition...
This was coming from a guy who was paid to fix games for 25 years, an NBA ref...
Angel Hernandez is in there for the entertainment Factor of the business, he's atrocious as a ref and that gets the excitement going whenever he rests a game you wonder who he's got to fix it for...
Tony La Russa? Um, yeah.
this is like when barry bonds decided the league wasnt doing anything about steroids and decided to become a baseball god
My immediate thought, too. It's stupid how this is what players feel forced into, but the MLB apparently just doesn't give a shit.
About anyone.
+1000 to the comments. And it even goes beyond that. Imagine if Bonds went on a mini-rant in 1999, saying "Hey fans, there's a problem... I know of a 'supplement' that will add 10 mph to your exit velo and 20 percent to your gains in the weight room. And no one is doing anything about it. Last year was fun and all, but it wasn't exactly fueled by spinach and protein shakes. I just want to play in a fair game."
I can't remember if it was Bailey or BDE or even Jomboy on another video, but someone made a great point: the MLB should WANT to fix this, because we have maybe the lowest percentage of balls put in play in the history of the game. No, we're not at mid-1980s fastpitch levels, but compared to what the MLB wants to deliver for fans, we might as well be.
@Rob Indeed....He probably had the best eye for balls and strikes in Major's history. I never saw a guy be able to lay off of pitches like he could. He was incredible without roids.
@@6thwilbury2331 Maguire purposely left out HGH in his locker in front of reporters during his heyday. Bonds getting crucified for it above all is happening for three reasons 1: He was the best. 2: He's a huge asshole and 3: He's black. #2 is a biiiig reason, but #3 is for sure is a factor. the most ironic thing though is that the steroid era saved baseball in many ways. They all made money off of it.
I stopped watching baseball when Bonds retired. He was unbelievable. Why wouldn't they all cheat. Better stats equals fatter paycheck
"Spin rate makes the pitches more effective" *Knuckle ball cries softly in the corner*
Well the statement is still technically true..
@@ac833 lol I was gonna say this, just because it has a spin rate of 0-5 rpm doesn’t mean that a slow spin rate doesn’t make it effective
This deserves more likes 😂
“And R.A Dickey watched from his gorgeous mansion and cried but a single tear”
that's technically spin rate....
Anyone remember when Yadier Molina had a ball stick directly to his chest protector? Makes a little more sense now
Mind blown
Oh my god I'm just now realizing that
@@pjl_007 If there's enough goo on a ball to stick to a vertical surface, wouldn't that impact flight of the ball? Explain the low B.A.s?
@@hd-xc2lz minimal id think but I would say it probably does delay the launch of the ball off the bat since it would grip the bat a bit if it's that much sticky stuff to stick to yadier molina
@@hd-xc2lz I have a different hypothesis. What if Molina had the stuff in his protector, to rub the ball, to help the pitcher?
“The MLB is giving them a free year not gonna get anyone in trouble”
6 no hitters later-
Now it makes so much sense lmao
I wouldn’t be surprised if pitchers started using gorilla glue or liquid nails because of this
@@bsapavel6880 I dont think they're trying to send themselves to the hospital
@@bsapavel6880 How would a hair care product help you pitch better?
@@peterbills4129 you didnt pay any attention to how it affects spin did you?
Damn, is Joe getting soft in his old age? That’s the nicest, least confrontational thing I’ve ever seen him do. Good on him.
West got the record and stopped caring lol
And there’s logic behind the call! I agreed with why he did it, and anyone who doesn’t at least understand it isn’t getting it.
@@F1god04 Have you ever seen Joe West use logic or reason before this though, and miss out on a opportunity to be a prick?
No. This is the same Joe West, he always wants to be the center of attention. This had nothing to do with anything other than his fame.
This is going to progress until:
1. Bauer and Grienke are actually playing Blitzball out there
2. Bellinger still hits it. High.
Its too high
Bellinger hitting 420 ft that far?
This isn't "new"; Comes up every 15-20 years to keep fans interested. They will pretend to care about it this season; Then, forget all about it next season.
@@brentfarvors192 i dont think they can just ignore this after a few seasons anymore. Individual pitch stats guarantee that. Enough eople will talk about it the moment pitchers' stats start lookin weird
@@Fatallica Done it the last 4 or 5 times this came up...Dating back to the earliest years of pro baseball...
So, the 6 no-hitters this season.... maybe just a coincidence? pay no attention to the fact it happened months after Bauer published the manual of how pitchers can cheat.
the no hitters are most likely because of ball changes, the wild substances pitchers are using predate this season for sure
It’s the new ball.
Why can’t it be both, both things are present in the league and has made this years offense numbers go down
One of the games Angel Hernández was the ump and his strike zone was shit. Really wide. It definitely helped the pitcher get a no hitter.
If the balls were the old ones I’m pretty sure Rodon wouldn’t have gotten his no hitter because a few went to the track. And there was a crazy hard line drive that went straight to an OF in the 7th
Things won't change until the ball is so sticky, it's stuck to a bat after contact. Can't wait for that breakdown.
As a vindicated lifelong Dodger fan, Surprised it hasn't happened yet tbh😂😂
You ever see the video of the baseball getting stuck to the catchers chest plate?
th-cam.com/video/k8UjLR5nvx0/w-d-xo.html
@@tamparockout17 I remember that one. Makes a lot more sense now.
How about gloves
At which point batters will just try to toss the bat as far as they can. Olympic hammer throw athletes will get recruited as hitters.
That’s why I propose baseballs be greased. This will work until pitchers start getting spikes surgically implanted in their fingertips.
Try SEMEN mixed with pine tar, honey and super glue.
That's called lunch
You guys are hilarious
I did. Works like a charm.
Rosin is legal sticky stuff why is other stuff bad? U could make weapons grade sticky stuff in a lab it'd be the same as rosin
@@anonymousanonymous-xh4pn why did u pick a joke thread to ask this for one. Two there is a gray area there rosin and sunscreen are both legal because they protect players, if people are using other stuff it's for the purpose of cheating
“Take this hat guard it with your god damn life” 😂😂
Guard this like if it's the spear that killed jesus boy now go go now
Jack Strawb nasty spin also has a chance of increasing that. Righty throwing to a lefty and vice versa, a nasty spin that cuts towards the batter should essentially send it towards the batter more. At the same time you are right. If the ball doesn’t leave the hand when the pitcher expects it to, who knows where it is going to go.
@@robertkidnley93 this gave me a great laugh!
"Here, take this hat kid, and guard it with your god damn life." "Holy shit" the ball boys thinking to himself.
Ha. Who knows what happened to the hat after the Sox ballboy had it
Better make sure he isn't missing
@@josephhale9198 Absolutely. In legal terms the chain of custody was broken at that point. I am also seeing pitchers throwing balls with movement that is crazy. Look at the number of no-hitters already this season.
this one plays like a movie, straight up zonin to this. dabbin. love you Jomboy lol
Damn, thanks for so many likes
Somewhere Trevor Bauer is enjoying this. He literally showed in a game that he could increase his spin rate for an inning and become instantly more dominant.
This did not age well.
@@chokobo0047innocent
I won't lie, actually respect joe west for this call, handled properly imo
He finally did something reasonable after 100 years.
Move the mound back to the center of the diamond to increase hitting. Let them get as sticky as they like.
Didn't mean to reply. West is on point for once
@@Woozlewuzzleable lmao
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I agree and it isn't often that I agree with Joe West.
The MLB going after Bauer is not surprising. Look at how they handled the Astros situation. They just need a scapegoat.
i agree with you that bauer is somewhat of a scapegoat. how can you call the astros a scapegoat? tell me another team that had a camera in center field that was confirmed via mlb investigation. you can cite all of the players that have come out and accused teams but they are biased and do not have any empirical basis. also, the astros from 2017-19 were the funnest team in baseball (they arguably still are except people hate them now), why would a dying league go after that team that amounts for a lot of their social media posts, highlights, etc?
Facts. MLB will go after Bauer like the UCI went after Lance Armstrong. Everyone is doing it, they know everyone is doing it, buy they need to "take down a giant", to stroke their ego, and set a precedent.
I wouldn't even be surprised if they are personally mad at Bauer for pointing it out as an emerging problem 4-5 years ago, and sitting on their hands doing nothing. Now that it's everywhere, they need to make him pay for their ineptitude.
@@andrewlee8623 In 2017 the Commissioner put out a league wide memo about teams using technology to steal signs. The Yankees had complained to the MLB that the Red Sox were using Apple Watches to signal pitches. Obviously the stuff going on with the Astros. But, if a league wide memo is issued, it indicates a wider problem than just one or two teams. Also, the 2018 Red Sox used their replay room to steal pitches mid-game and was verified through the same investigation as the Astros one (Which is surprising that Joe Kelly, Price, and Betts are celebrated even though they directly benefitted from the cheating in 2018). It really seems like the MLB scapegoated the Astros to save the reputation of MLB. If one team is cheating, then it just a "bad apple" as opposed to several teams cheating which would mean it's the "system." Think about the steroid era. It was rife with cheating, so much so that Congress got involved and severely tainted the "sanctity" of the game. The Astros situations had the potential for doing the same thing.
There are other players, namely Erik Katz, that has accused both the Dodgers and Rockies of stealing signs via technology. I don't believe the Dodgers did as Katz just "had a feeling" that something fishy was going on. However, he did get extremely specific and detailed about how the Rockies did it.
Bauer broadcasted to everyone he was doing and magically turned from a decent starter into one of the top pitchers in the game. Of course he should be investigated
@@andrewlee8623 They were used as scapegoats. www.chron.com/sports/astros/slideshow/Cheating-history-every-Major-League-Baseball-team-200267.php
Imagine spending $324 million on a pitcher only to find out his greatness is found in a $2.50 bottle of Sauve! I can imagine some push-back from at least ONE owner, lol.
He just pitched a shut out tonight with 12ks and hitting 99mph pretty regularly. I think assuming all his greatness came from a bottle was a bit of a early call huh?
@@zorroknowsbetter no lol
@@zorroknowsbetter Nope. Guy is just an above avg pitcher for years, then all of a sudden he's the best pitcher in baseball and gets a fat contract. Then the rule gets implemented and lo-and-behold back to above avg. at best. No one is saying he is bad or cant have a great game.
This is starting to remind me a bit of something that happened in the late 90's and early 00's...
Balco : Hey, remember me?
I agree with Jomboy, it is cheating, it literally is equivalent to a corked bat. Batters can swear up and down "Yeah I don't want him to hit me with pitches" but that doesn't mean they should be able to coat the ball in sticky stuff. Sounds disgusting, and fielders have to handle that crap when a ball is hit in any way. Imagine being a second baseman on a routine double play, transition from glove is slowed because the ball is sticking to your glove, then you throw to first wildly because it's sticking to your hand. Maybe this is a direct result of all the errors we've had this year from gold and platinum glove defenders.
Literally no one said that he literally said they don't mind pictures using a little bit of pine tar here and there are rosin or a mixture of pine tar and rosin to get a little extra grip on their hands so they don't get hit by a 98 plus mile an hour fastball
@@chrisspann2308 Yea, literally.
@@chrisspann2308 how does that stop a 98 mph fast ball from hitting them?
@@BruceWaynesFactory better grip
@@BruceWaynesFactory the right mixture equals better grip. Better grip equals more control in getting it to where you are aiming.
Pitchers in 2021: I'm a Dapper Dan man.
I really hope this comment blows up 🤣
I don't carry Dapper Dan. I carry Fop.
Must be a suiter
Do. not. seek. the. treasure.
Well isn't this ball park a geographical oddity!
I think Bauer cheated last year to show them, if MLB doesn’t care, “I don’t care”. “Look, if you’re not going to control this, I’ll just win the Cy Young.”
I honestly think that’s kind of cool, like he called their bluff. And was begging them to do something about it before
baseball doesnt exist does a great video on it honestly, and I hate that it's like a "feel as well go" type shit, either eject everyone or let that illegal substance rock.
legend.
@@richieh7476 yea great video
Openly.
I just watched Trever Bauer's video on this subject and he nails the issue. His point was basically MLB doesn't want the appearance of cheating but is not willing to come up with a reasonable solution to deal with it.
its like they want a little bit of cheating to make the game exciting but not too much that its obvious
Jimmy really missed to opportunity to describe himself as a "sticky stuff" expert
He wouldn’t dare take your mom’s title
@@joe41046 😂😂😂
@@joe41046 lmaoooo
That's how we know Jake wasn't involved in the making of this video
@@elBorrachoGuapo LOL
100% agree with Bauer, either ban it or don't. Considering how exponentially better pitchers have gotten versus batters I'm inclined to be on the ban camp OR bring back corked bats
Bring back steroids let’s goooooo
@FairPlay Jay yep, lighter bat means The batter can swing faster and when the batter swings faster the ball is hit with more velocity and when the ball has more velocity home runs are more often.
Move the mound back, allow sticky stuff. Easy fix. More offense.
@@itsyaboi1245 lol
@@17tignau Pretty sure this isn't true, corked bats were correlated with worse performance because of weak bats
Maybe it would be better in terms of hitting singles, Tony Gwynn used the lightest bats possible for control so I don't know
I'll never forget when the umps confiscated Albert Belle's bat after a game-winning hit in the playoffs. Bell protested loudly while displaying his massive bicep. The manager was outraged. The Indians claimed they've been done wrong in their own ballpark. But hours later it was reported that someone scaled the ceiling and was able to drop inside the umpires room and steal the bat. Evidence gone. No crime.
Not exactly how it went. Yes, they discovered that someone had broken in and switched the bats because whoever did it was very sloppy and there were broken ceiling tiles and whatnot. They also knew the bats had been switched because the one that was in there looked completely different than Albert Belle’s AND it had a different player’s name on it. The American League recovered the correct bat from the Indians in exchange for not involving the FBI, sawed it open and discovered it was corked, and Belle received a suspension.
It's called preventative umpiring... It's a good move to prevent a problem.
Love how Jomboy looks 19 and 45 simultaneously! Stay young at heart Jimmy!
He stays young from eating Trevor Bauer D.
Would love to see more umpires taking this proactive stance on the foreign substance issue. Enforcing this league wide = more balls in play which = more exciting games, simple
I’m with you man! Why is it so hard to just be like nah use this ball, or nope change your hat. Or whatever it is, don’t kick anyone out or anything just make sure they can’t like Uber cheat
@@hunteranfinsen2804 agreed and you can't blame the pitchers it's mlb that allowed this to become a common practice, ask @Trevor bauer and his huge contract why you wouldn't when everyone else is getting rich doing it!
I don’t normally like Joe West, but it kinda makes sense to me - his decision puts the criticism on Joe West, not the pitcher or opposing manager. That’s good umpiring.
If it was enforced every game it would be different, but it’s not. Enforce it fairly or change the rule.
But Joe West not ejecting him was a fair move.
It is hard to enforce nowadays because sticky substances have been engineered to be very discrete and hard to spot. They should just legalize it so the non cheaters are not disadvantaged. This is not like steroids where people are doing physiological changes to their body. Plus with sticky substances, pitchers have more control resulting in less hit by pitch injuries.
I say legalize sticky substances and move the mound back to make it easier for batters.
I feel weird not being mad at Joe west.
@@andrew3448 dude pine tar gives more grip making the ball move in weird ways so it is an enhancement, it's like using aluminum bats instead of wood because it hits the ball harder.
@@unanimousreporting8250 thank you captain obvious.
That is a dogshit analogy, it is easy to enforce aluminum bats and takes zero time to do so there is not an unfair playing field and aluminum bats are banned for player safety. Enforcing sticky substances, time and time again, has been a problem and has only gotten worse as it became more ubiquitous and easier to hide. We only implemented the rule to reduce the strength of pitchers not because sticky substances goes against the spirit of the game. There are other ways to reduce the strength of pitchers (move mound back, lower mound, tighter/true strikezone enforcement) without introducing nuance in the rules that allows for unfairness due to another rule that can be cheated. You cannot cheat the mound being moved back two feet (unless you were Carter Capp and his hop-step delivery - which they banned the year following his breakout) but players can and have skirted the foreign substance ban for decades.
Why do you feel the MLB would try developing a stickier baseball or collecting data on sticky substances if not to eventually make a change that levels the playing field since enforcement has always been a problem?
It's disgusting they're going after Bauer. They want to send a message that you shouldn't speak up instead of one that you shouldn't cheat.
it's pretty obvious Bauer cheats though lmao
@@mistafrooz Oh, totally, but when you look at the whole picture like Jomboy lays out here it's pretty easy to see that's not why they're going after him.
@@zephyrast3036 ah that's a reach. i know bauer's probably your favorite player but there's not a conspiracy to target him lmao
It’s pretty easy to go after the guy that keeps talking about it and throwing it in the MLB’s face....
@@mistafrooz Because it's like everyone has pointed out and stated. He is the one who has been talking about it for a few years now and described how it was unfair. Last season he started using it, had a dominant year and got paid just like he said. And now his name is at the top for this scandal?
The way you explained the spin being affected, perfect, MLB couldn't do it any better. Well broken down
Bauer with the "it's not a crime if they don't charge you" move of the decade
I mean, I think it's more like "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" situation, and I don't fault him at all. There is way too much money on the table to not do it if it's an option, and unlike steroids, there are no adverse health effects. It's baseball. You'd have to be insane not to use the substance and make an additional hundred million dollars. Ask Garret Cole.
Bauer told them to either enforce it or he would cheat. They didn't enforce it so he cheated. Bauer is a hero for forcing their hand.
5 out of 6 no hitters this year were thrown by guys with increased spin rates that increased unnaturally. Only Kluber threw a clean no-hitter. His spin rate has been down recently compared to his Cy Young years.
This is why I come here. JOMBOY literally telling me what's going on when no one else is.
th-cam.com/video/-SDIb2rf9EA/w-d-xo.html plenty of people talkinga bout it
Way back in 2017 I thought it strange when a baseball stuck to Yadier Molina's chest protector after bouncing on the ground. Don't think that anymore. Another thought is that watching strike outs for an entire game is rather boring.
Body armor, oven mitts on the basepaths, a virtually flat mound, thumb guards, pine tar and grip tape and we're upset about some sticky stuff.
I think Shildt really hit the nail on the head here. We gonna tell guys they can’t wear sunscreen? Take the rosin bag away? Tell them they can’t touch their arm? His spin rate was unaffected by it completely that game. His avg this whole year was on par with what he threw that game without his hat. It’s absurd, especially when like Shildt said, there’s guys having stuff concocted in a lab. If you wanna consider this cheating, they’re going after the guy who’s cheating least lol.
I’m torn on the Bauer situation. Yes he was flagging it, but he’s still now actively doing it and it’s clearly helping him significantly. That chart that Jomboy shows of his 3000 RPM pitches is pretty damning. He was never able to reach that RPM until he used the sticky stuff.
However how is it fair if mlb sits on their hands and all the other players are playing better and getting more money. That’s not fair either. He shouldn’t be the scapegoat for this at all, but he’s not “cheating the least.”
MLB has a huge issue here, cause no matter what they do people will be unhappy with result. If you make a standard substance the older fans will say the game ain’t like it was. If you ban substances people will say mlb in the way of progress. Lol.
I do know that manfred isn’t capable of solving this. We need a new commissioner as well.
@@alexwhite3232 Baur gains nothing by taking a moral high ground, but if he cheats like everyone else he can secure himself a couple extra $100 Million. I dont see any reason why he wouldnt do it.
What's absurd is getting caught cheating and then people going out and defending it
Cheating the least is still cheating lol
@@christophercarrigg3775 is it really breaking a rule if the league doesn’t enforce the rule
“Take this hat, guard it with your goddamn life” 😂😂😂
Well, this may explain, in part, why MLB batting averages are 20+ percentage points below what they were in 2017. That and the average pitch being 5 MPH faster.
Jomboy: the master enhancing the way we see the game. Not since some Brad Pitt movie has someone singlehandedly changed so much.
Twelve Monkeys?
@@tired5 Moneyball
Meet Joe Black?
@@clamstain Excellent film but more of a Christmas movie, ammirite? ;)
@@MrFuzyUnibrow I should probably watch that one-- No, the correct answer was True Romance; True Romance was the answer...
GERRIT COLE IS THE KING OF THE STICK
Guess where he learned to use that stuff? Yep same place Charlie Morton and Justin Verlander did as well. Charlie's career before Houston was pure mediocrity
@@PartyYourLifeAway man you just want to blame them for anything
He cheated in Houston and now in New York 😂😂🤣🤣
This is crazy! It's almost like the MLB came down super hard on sign stealing, and every team has now, after 175 years of baseball, basically stopped doing it. Now the MLB is having to deal with the fallout of pulling the curtain back on "unspoken" aide of baseball. League wide batting average was way down in 2020, and a third of the way through 2021, there are already six no hitters. Six, in 55 games. The front office is starting to realize that they cut the legs off the batters, and let the pitchers carry on with business as usual. So "they are collecting data" on how to level back the playing field, and what small market team they are going to use to do it.
This is the exact problem: “don’t ding my guy, other guys are doing worse!” 🙄
The sunscreen/rosin combo is accepted and was stated by the MLB to be fine. Schildt had a problem because he's seeing other pitchers with actual banned substances on their person, and they arent getting messed with.
Baseball really needs to get this foreign substance stuff under control. If we are being honest, these special sauce pitching substances are a bigger advantage for pitchers than PED's ever were.
@@MrKandlejack The thing is, Joe West didn't run the guy, he just said get you a new hat. Shildt basically came out and got tossed for nothing. He really went out there to argue, "whataboutism"? C'mon, that's just weak sauce.
Yeah ur right but when there's pitchers doing worse u would at least want them to also be called out on. Like imagine punishing a guy who robbed a store but not dealing with a guy murdered someone.
@@zacharyfett2491 I don't think schildt knew wtf was going on and acted before he found out.
Funny, I don't see pitchers using the chalk bag as much anymore. That'll negate the stickiness of the glue lol
Anyone ever notice that all the pitchers in Houston revitalized their careers when got there? Always thought it was strange but man got from hitting scandal to pitching in a span of a couple years Manfred is honestly a doormat at this point letting the league walk all over him cause he won’t do shit
Manfred is a stain on mlb 🙄
I swear he hates the game & is working to destroy it at this point ugh
Less to do with joining the stros, more to do with leaving the pirates
@@michaeljordan6239 No lol it has been shown pitchers spin rate increases dramatically when they join stros 🤔🙄
@@JustMe-nf1mf False Equivalence
@@michaeljordan6239 🙄
I thought it was weird how many no hitters have been happening this year. It makes sense now.
"It's gotten out of hand." No, it's sticking to the hand, Jomboy.
well done.
Bravo.
Joe West, best umpire in the game.
said no one ever🤣
He's a close second to C.B. Bucknor
@@chuben8160 😂
Lol
@@chuben8160 yeah because only angel Hernandez is the best ump ever
The best part is that Jomboy going ham on this is why MLB will pay attention. Hopefully :)
Crazy hearing J.T.’s name all the time in the MLB. Went to middle school and H.s. With that man. Great to see a kid from our small city in the MLB.
Theres a game earlier this season where i spotted kimbrel with stuff on his hat. It was super obvious too
Yep I saw that too. Makes me think that's why Shildt did this.
Kimbrel has had that thumb spot on the bill of his hat since he was a rookie with braves.
It’s every game. That’s what Kimberly does. His hat is always like that.
Shildt said it because he knows MLB literally doesn’t care. Pitchers could just go out there with sunscreen in their pocket and mix it with rosin and MLB would just collect data and not collect how well pitchers are doing with dead balls and sticky substances.
I actually understand why Joe West did it. He just wanted to nip it in the bud to avoid the game slowing down with Tony coming out to complain about it. It kinda didn't work, but I get why he did it.
Simple solution, you know when they check fighters before going into the cage? Check pitchers it takes about 30 seconds. The simple fact they are being checked will deter them from doing it. This is no better than steroids in my opinion.
They're supposed to if suspected, but they've been looking the other way for awhile. Now MLB is responding after this broke into the mainstream.
To be fair:
Gallegos really isn’t that guy. He literally just has absolutely nasty shit that he learned to control when the cards got him.
There are actually pitchers on the cards that you think “Uhhhhhhh that’s not natural”.
@Chris Smith yes he has mastered his craft. Is that not possible? Idiot
And he licks his index/middle finger between almost every pitch. Kinda weird if he was up there licking banned substances. It was probably just dirt from adjusting his hat so often (lots of pitchers do, like batters adjusting batting gloves between every pitch)
@Chris Smith his control issues were mostly in his mechanics, not his hand. He was heavy to his off hand side (a la Carlos Martinez) but it would pull him off his plant leg.
You’re honestly seeing him now with less break than before. He’s just able to put the ball near the zone.
@@engell3707 I don’t think he’s mastered his craft. He’s just not throwing insane breaking pitches anymore. It’s more controlled and around the plate in comparison to when he was with the Yankees. There’s video of him throwing his former slider which broke more East-west.
The batter flinches and turns away from the pitch expecting to get hit but it’s called a ball for being outside on the other side of the plate.
@Chris Smith it was a pitching philosophy change from the coaching perspective (that’s what he and literally everyone else said).
He went from trying to strike out every batter to trying to create poor contact. They thought he was a “Strikes out the side” reliever and he’s really “Double play machine” pitcher.
Good for the Umpire!
Doing his job and handled it Very well.
Honestly well done by Joe West. He didn't write the rule, and he doesn't ump every game, so it's not fair to blame him for the inconsistency with which it's enforced, but he found a way to keep the result from being contested while also allowing Gallegos to pitch. He could have just waited until he threw one pitch and then tossed him if he wanted to.
but it was honestly not foreign substance by any means.. pretty sure they can tell the difference between substances or actual dirt on the hat... sunscreen part maybe more difficult to tell but if he never had that mark on his hat, then it wouldnt be a problem anyway
@@ShengYu1995 to be fair, it needs to be a bit more discrete if it is meant to help with grip. The umps know that pretty much every pitchers uses foreign substances. They aren’t complete morons. They just want it to be a bit more “covert”.
Classic Jomboy with the high quality and to-the-point info, love it. Keep it up homie!
The PGA will auto-disqualify any golfer who does anything vaguely against the rules that improves their backspin on a swing. It's absolutely insane that the MLB doesn't police this in almost any meaningful way.
Well, baseball’s player union wields considerable power that PGA players don’t, especially when it comes to equipment and safety. Even if all the owners, GMs, and MLB executives wanted foreign substances banned, they might not be able to do it if the player’s union stands their ground. Plus, the MLB has a very long history of being overly cautious to consider something cheating. They hesitated on steroids, sign stealing, corking bats, spitballs, spiking defenders, hiding extra balls in the outfield grass, fan interference. It’s like MLB actively promotes the league as being lopsided. Even the uniqueness of the fields gives off an imbalanced nature that other sports lack. Imagine if in the NHL teams could construct one side of the ice wider than the other, then draft players that would be more well suited for that home rink. In golf, being an individualist competition, you need uniformity. Baseball has managed to get away with it for 150 years or so now.
@@AV57 I mostly agree with you. The player’s union has too much power and the MLB doesn’t attempt to hide biases and lopsidedness. But, I disagree with you on the stadium design. Like the field still impacts all players, so all the quarks still balance it out. Not to mention, these field shapes are prevalent across every level from high school to professional.
it's almost like the MLB has a century-long history of being indifferent to cheaters when most pro sports leagues have a real zero-tolerance policy towards cheating.
Part of it is due to the attitude most batters have historically had concerning it. It's starting to change a bit, but for a long time batters have argued that they prefer better grip for pitchers to reduce the number of batters hit by pitches etc.
@@howardbaxter2514, we agree on just about everything. I disagree on the ballpark designs. GMs can most definitely design a team that gains a reliable advantage at home. Whitey Ball in the 80s proved that beyond the shadow of a doubt. Sacrifice power for speed and defense on the fastest and hottest Astro turf in the league and you’ve got a team that can beat anyone if their pitchers keep the ball in the ballpark. In Minute Maid Park and Fenway, it’s extremely beneficial to acquire lefties that can hit pop flies to left field for cheap hits off the walls. Hell, when the Giants built their new stadium, they even laughed about how it was designed for Bonds to catch Willie Mays with the short porch in right field. It’s the only easy home run in that park, but it only suits a leftie with the ability to hit it right down the line. Hitting the ball to right center is only good for triples there. And for decades now the strategy in Chicago has been to induce fly balls, because 75% of the time the wind kills the ball, while the grass was so poorly maintained that it would make the ball snake and cause havoc for fielders. Too bad both the Chicago organizations were ran about as poorly as their landscaping crew managed the grass.
“Ump says, come here little boy”😂
The difference from corked bats is that this actually works. Corked bats are 300% placebo effect, the lower mass of the bat actually makes it LESS, not more, capable of hitting HRs, due to less momentum to transfer to the ball.
Lighter bat = easier to swing faster = better timing = more solid consistent contact with the ball. Corked bats have nothing to do with hitting the ball harder/further. It's much more about timing the swing better. Sticky pitcher fingers similarly aren't going for faster pitches, but more spin control.
Yadi has some experience catching super glue balls, got one epoxied to his chest protector and couldn't find it one time.
I remember that play I was so confused how it stuck to his chest protector
I remember that
This video actually debunks that, if you have some time. Annoying narration, but it goes into how it was a super improbable equipment issue. th-cam.com/video/Tq3_oiiXYSg/w-d-xo.html
This is amazing, thank you for covering this!
Just the tip of the ice berg. My brother & I were at that Sox game as well. This is going to explode! Nice work Jom
I don't watch baseball but its amazing that blatant cheating like this happens. Its eye-opening.
It was almost this bad during the Steroid Era. You look at pictures of guys year over year and can see their heads blowing up like beach balls.
Guys…. This was nearly four decades in the making. Nobody listened, but when I was in my jammies, drinking Sunny D, I took heed and took notes:
“Crisco. Bardahl. Vagasil. Every one of ‘em will give you two to three inches drop on your curveball.
Of course if the umps are watchin’ me close, I just rub a lil’ jalapeño on my nose to get it runnin’.”
“You put snot, on the ball?”
“Hell, son, I ain’t got an arm like yours. Some day you will, too.”
I remember a few years ago a ball stuck to Molinas chest. I don’t think anyone even questioned how a baseball could stick like that
Trevor Bauer is not the hero we wanted, but he's the hero we need
Get off his D.
“...and future compensation” *followed by silence as if to say “well would you look at that”* 😂
No good deed goes unpunished.
“It’s getting out of hand.” No, it’s the opposite: it’s getting stuck in their hands ;p
Literally went to a minor league game today and of course it was raining just a bit. The home team’s pitcher did horrible the first two innings. 1 in the first 5 in the second. Comes out in the third and gets two guys to strike out.
The blues look at him and see something on his belt so they kick him out
Idky but " take this hat guard it with your goddamn life "
Took me out 💀🤣💀🤣💀
Bauer is an absolute legend for calling out MLB and then playing by their rules to prove a point. 🐐
The solution is super easy. Find a substance that imparts grip but doesn't cause too much stick, make sure it stays that way when combined with sweat/sunscreen/other common substances, and make that legal and enforce consistently against any other substances.
The MLB has gone to shit ever since the Astros were caught cheating in the WS. Needless to say that the MLB worries more about revenue than actual sportsmanship.
Here's the fact right there. It's billions of dollars being cycled around - the last thing you need is another legit strike that crippled baseball like in 93. But it would be the fans striking against the MLB. Not the mlbpa vs the MLB. Make it all legal. You hurt yourself? That's your problem. Pair this with a foolish baseball take on speeding up the game and it would be just exciting.
They've been shit for a lot longer than that...
Coming back and looking at these from last year - jimmy you’re getting some grey on ya bud
When you said nice pitch at 1:33 I literally said the same thing. Damn that was beautiful. 😲
Nobody like playing with sticky balls.
Don't kink shame
I commented on reddit about a similar spot on Justin Dunn AND Mike Foltynewicz hats the other day when they were pitching against eachother. Some guy tried saying that he pitched and worn a hat for 30 years and his hats got dirty just from adjusting it on day one. I replied with how I wear the same hat hunting and hiking and my hat is cleaner than both pitchers. Also that I played a lot of baseball myself as well as worn many hats and have never had a hat get as dirty as both pitchers were during that game. It's amazing what they're getting away with in plain sight these days.
Houston figured out how to turn mediocre pitchers into all stars overnight. Coincidence, don’t think so.
Garrett Cole and Justin Verlander are mediocre without glue?
You mad bro?
Are you a salty A's or Yankees fan?
@@anthonygomez8445 , nope can’t stand either one of those teams.
I know Bauer was the original whistleblower, but let's be real.. He's now one of the worst offenders. He's given up on doing the right thing and is now legitimately the #1 abuser of foreign substances. It doesn't matter that he was trying to do good 2 years ago when he's now the prime example of how much improvement there is when somebody starts using it. You can't be the good guy if you just stoop to their level after attempts at blowing the whistle failed. Not that my opinion matters but I've lost so much respect for him.
Doing the right thing means continuing to do it even when most people aren't.
Yep to this. And the ego he has on the mound im surprised his finger tips dont get stuck to him uniform pants doing that stupid sword thing he does.
Sensei Samurai master fulloshito
How is "during a game" the wrong time to expose something big going on in a game?
I may have misunderstood the manager but I believe he was saying that his pitcher is not the one to be targeting. He's saying don't expose the problem when it's a guy with the usual stuff, expose it when one of the rpm freaks is on the mound.
Joe West: "But I set the record..."
Congrats Joe, but shame everyone was booing him.
Joe West is so bad at this job that he should'v been fired in 76. breaking the record is meaningless when you've been doing a shit job the entire time
Bro when the ball stuck to Yadi’s chest protector!
:48 " whiffle ball shit"
That college kid was amazing.
What college kid
@@joshcorbett4787 Tulane.
Came because of the Lou Piniella thumbnail, subscribed for the commentary
Cole does it the most lmao
Bauer
@@LCSClips22 no Cole started it but then bauer used it to one up his old rival and bauer took it to the extreme but Cole strayed it and is pretty heavily doing it
@@hellothere2740 true. Both use it
cole really wanna use sticky stuff now but when the pirates needed him he let the cubs shit on him in the wild card lmao
Anyone notice Joe West's arm can't reach the 9:00 position?! When Joe throws Shilot, looks like he's trying to toss an invisible goat by the nostril.
That was so unbelievably in depth
I watched 2 Reds game with Sonny Gray starting and he'd go to touch the inside of his belt non-stop.
Joe Wests comments on point. Schildt totally on point. Just waiting for you to call out your boy Cole for this.
Ahh, I remember when joe Niekro used to scuff up the ball on Emory board. Think he was tossed for dat..
Knuckleballs are gripped with the fingernails. Emery board = nail file.
He tried to toss the evidence.
Trevor Bauer should be in charge of Fortune 500 companies. He’d be up in front of Congress saying “you wouldn’t believe the shit I’ve been up to. It’s crazy and you have to stop me immediately.”
I will be returning regularly until I see Bauer's witty "Told ya so", nonchalant comment on this vid.
After there are 75 2 hit games this year and attendance is down and they make less money THEN they will change
“Take this and guard it with your life” “wow this is intense” 😂
This part, lol
So...Cy Young contentions this year is going to be similar to the HR year with McGuire and Sosa? Bring it on. How many no hitters will be attained this year? Can't wait to see the Over under
Imagine getting mad at the umps for saying “no you can’t use rosin” lol
I don’t understand what we’re imagining here. Rosin is legal, so if the ump says you can’t use it... seems fair to be mad about it.
Rosin bags are used in many sports, I used them in high-school baseball, same with everyone else
This video needs a million likes!
what I wanna know is why would you not use a foreign substance as a pitcher right now. the worst that will happen is you get tossed and maybe get suspended for a few games. thats TOTALLY worth the risk and im sure why everyone is doing it.