Disagree on the manual memory tuning part. Example, a ballistix sport lt kit 3200mhz goes from 75ns latency to 65ns resulting in up to 20% gaming performance on the 3300x without even overclocking the CPU. Some even more expensive 3600mhz kits with cl16 will have a latency of 80+ns and is actually worse for Ryzen, and 10th gen Intel. Latency is also important on Intel side, especially with 10th gen. I'm a little disappointed that you don't go deeper into manually tuning memory when talking about how to maximize the potential of your ryzen chip, as it is by far the most significant performance boost you can get outside of exotic cooling.
The amount of effort this guy puts into his thumbnails, cinematography, editing, and writing is seriously commendable. Please continue to keep your content next level. Did you go to film school?
@@HaydenRoberts08 Generally to be a "real" SFF case it has to be less than 20L. It's kind of just the rules that the community has made up. Nevertheless, it looks like a great case so I'd say go for it. There's also been word of new Cooler Master ITX cases coming out that look dope if you wanna hold off for a bit.
2:45 overclocking the infinity frabric from 1800 MHz to 1900 MHz let's to run 3800MHz RAM in coupled mode. That's what I'm currently running at CL14 and it's working quite well
Micron E-die 19nm, single rank 16GB sticks (2x8) rated at 3200MHz 16-18-18-36, running at 3800 16-19-16-36. Everything set by Ryzen DRAM calculator, stable, and i'm lazy to tighten those timings a bit better. 3600, IF on 1900MHz, mem controller 1900MHz.
Just wanted to build a 3300X / B550 system but here in germany it´s just another 20€ more for the 3600 so i choose this one instead. Using only AliExpress custom watercooling components ;-)
If my recommendation means anything, I’d suggest just trying to find a roaming Wraith Prism from the 3700x/3900x/2700x for $20-30 on HWSwap or on the local market. Very nice looking cooler and would perform measurably better than the stock Stealth cooler, while not breaking the bank.
@@Crustee0 the exact thing i wanted to suggest, in my country i can get it from aliexpress for under 15$ (using coupons and promos), outstanding value considering it is basically a clone of gammaxx 400 (almost 30$ in my country). my experience with it is absolutely positive, i am surprised even the fan is pretty decent and is quieter than coil whine.
And here are some more affodable cooling solutions: Arctic Freezer Xtreme Rev. 2, Bequiet Pure Rock 2 Black and Shadow Rock 3, Cryorig H5, Scythe Kotetsu Mark II and Mugen 5 Rev. B, Thermalright Macho Rev. B, Xilence M704
Correction here. The 3300X is situated in a single CCX. Both Cpus have all 4 cores in a single CCD. The 3100 splits two cores in separate CCX's. There are two core complexes per core complex die.
A cooling recommendation: the Arctic freezer 34 esports (duo) goes for 30-40€ and offers very good value. It´s one of the best singletower aircoolersand it looks pretty good as well
Wish I would have scene this video about a week ago, @ 1:00 where you explain the previous drive issue, I had to redo my windows setup as it just wouldn't boot period. Thankfully all my information is always backed up on a portable drive so it made quick and easy work of the reinstall.
Well, i tried to devoltage it by 150 mV and it gave me quite noticable drop in temperatures - from 68 to 55 degrees while using Noctua U12S under full load by Furmark, and all cores hold 4.3Ghz pretty well...
1:13. I disagree.. I went from 6700k to 3700x and just uninstalled all the Intel drivers before swapping motherboards. I get the sand out better performance in R20 as most reviewers and zero stability problems. No need to reinstall Windows.
I changed the old i5 2400 to R5 3600 without reinstalling win10 and also no issues. In all tests I have similar results to what I found on the internet.
You CAN use your old windows 10 boot drive, no need to reinstall windows especially if your coming from a older amd platform, have done this myself and I upgraded cpu, motherboard and ram. Many others have done this and have had zero issues just like me. Windows 10 will just install new drivers and will work just fine. You will have to go and uninstall any trace of old software from windows and make sure you install your new chipset drivers after you boot up with the new hardware.
If there was one extremely obvious and simple but sometimes overlooked thing when it comes to memory, it's running it in dual channel correctly, or doing that at all (2x8 is WAY faster than 1x16)
You should know - the reason you can undervolt the system by 75mV in an MSI board is due to its overvoltage by default to the same degree! Your 1.36v overclock is in fact 1.43-1.44v...
READ THE BIOS DESCRIPTION!! So some BIOS updates remove support for 1st Gen ryzen on some boards to support 4th Gen. doing so is a NON REVERSIBLE change
Yes. cooler is not even a problem, you can buy it used anywhere and MAYBE need to replace the fan in 3+ years of usage. Coolers are the best part to buy used, will not see any hidden defect.
Just by tightening the memory timing alone, you can get ~20% more FPS in game. www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/ram-timings-und-deren-einfluss-auf-spiele-und-anwendungen-amd-update-23-05-2020.1269156/ Use Google translate if you need to. Surprisingly, so few reviewers know how important RAM is for Ryzen 3000.
Yeah, for the heck of I i swapped out my 4690k Intel system to my old Ryzen 2700x system a few years back with zero issues. Great performance and stability. Its not the early 2000's any more, Windows 10 took care of a lot of what was needed as it was booting back up. Ran with great performance and reliability before I ever did a clean install.
i still believe the clean install would be more performant. when i (pre)installed windows on an old intel cpu and moved the ssd to an amd cpu it caused a few issues (listen, i REALLY did not want to wait) such as random freezes. thankfully it was a clean install anyways so it took like 30 minutes to install it on the right cpu
This is one of the best video's i have seen in a long time in regards to layman's. So many people would love to know how to do this stuff but can be incredibly overwhelmed with the steppes.
Would love to know where to get more information on the point he makes at 1:12. Specifically, why exactly might a Windows install from an old Intel build cause issues? Also, is there any way to mitigate those issues OTHER than a fresh Windows install?
my 3300x was running ridiculously hot, up to 89 degrees while gaming and up to 94 degrees on cinebench. i changed the ppt from the stock 88 W to 60 W and it got alot cooler. Before: imgur.com/a/ClmKQoo average 90 degrees After: imgur.com/a/W548gBq average 71 degrees Although i did lose a small bit of performance, the system is completely stable and i think it's definitely worth saving 50$ on a new cooler. though im using these settings: imgur.com/a/qsppiTE 70 tdp/ppt (average temp is 80 degrees) is the best imo.
What about applying liquid metal between IHS and cooler instead of thermal paste? Because this CPU has a hotspot on its CCD, it should help with the thermals for like $10.
Messing with the IHS on Zen2 is such a hassle for such a small thermal gain it's simply not worth it. It's completely different than what Intel is doing, given the Zen2 cores aren't flush with the IHS.
Is the 3300X still a good value though at $120, when the 3600 can be found for as low as $160-170? Maybe if it drops to below $100 as we get closer to Zen 3.
The 3300x is generally slightly faster in gaming, due to being a single ccx. However personally I would much rather have the 3600 at $160. And have the extra cores for better multithreaded games. Especially since the 3300x is in some places more expensive than the 3600 (crazy I know)
It's impossible to find it at 120 and the 3600 is more than 160. 3300x is the best CPU ever, basically a 7700 non overclocked at less than half for used price.
Take it from a Ryzen owner since day one. The only way to make Ryzen suitable for gaming is to COMPLETELY DISABLE SMT in the BIOS. Yes, Ryzen is generally amazing for multi tasking and multi core video editing output. But it's always been behind in gaming due to SMT and this does NOT SHOW UP IN FPS TESTING. When pushed to the max core limits, SMT creates a stutter in game play which can only be felt. Your FPS might show 100+ but it feels like 50-60. It's terrible. Disable SMT for max efficiency or learn to park your cores if you want to micro manage everything.
Damn, I was hoping you had some software hacks to keep Ryzen fast and cool. I'm gonna get a 3300x and throw it into a Node 202 whilst in the horizontal position. Looks like I'll have to throw in a Scythe Shuriken 3 and increase the height in order to avoid really high temps!
So uhhhhh, I paired my 3300X with an NH-D15...... it was running a max of 4350 MHz before on stock cooler with PBO on auto. Used to reach 80c+ on heavy tasks. Now with PBO on enhanced 4 on a b550 msi gaming edge mobo, I’m getting 4450 MHz with 65c max sustained :)
do NOT run over 1,3v or even 1,3v for daily useage if you override core voltage. It will degreade the cpu rather fast. Some people have reported extreme degrading after 3 to 6 months already. google it if you don't believe me. The reason why if you watch the voltage on stock and it goes to 1,4v and higher is because of the reading mechanism. In reality the voltage is only that high for literally micro or nanoseconds to boost and then it goes way lower. Run prime95 at small FTTs and you'll see that on stock most ryzen 3000 chips voltage will go down quite dramatically. Definetly under 1,3v
Hey , would u consider doing eSport games benchmarks in this method? Method: cap the fps to 144fps/240fps and getting the average fps for each game / CPU also add section to see how much apps in the background impacting that average like Geforce shadow or instant replay of AMD or OBS, Streaming the idea behind it is without capping the fps, the high fps in small rooms or in good cases like without many explosions in game would offset the average quite much so this cap avoid it and really given the right distribution of the fps while eSport gaming TYVM
I tried setting everything to default on my MSI bios, and even updated it a few days ago. Using ryzen master to oc the chip to 4.4ghz @1.4375v . cinebench completes, but using OCCT shows CPU errors. Was wondering if this the limit to my OC? Or is there something in my bios that I need to change to enable manual OC in Ryzen Master P.s: - i tried 4.5ghz @ stopped at 1.5v cuz im too scared to go higher than that - I also tried 4.3ghz@ 1.375v and the OCCT still showed errors If I leave everything at stock this happens: - i have a tower cooler (70-75celcius @boost 4.2~4.35ghz)
6:15 - I cannot overstate my appreciation for the Y axis of the Frequency chart starting at 0. THANK YOU. That said, 0 deg C is sort of arbitrary given deg kelvin.
I came here because I search for Overclocking results of as many people as possible. Mine 3300x went to 4,4 GHz on 280mm AIO with 92°C Prime95 SmallFFT. Because I use 21:9 monitor I can't take gaming results as a base
You could just get a snowman cooler on Aliexpress. I don't know why people just out right ignore aliexpress all together. I've bought almost 100 products from them including pc parts and have had few problems, all of which I got my money back on. Even shipping is fast, or was before cv. You can even get cheap mobos from them for the 3300X, I think tech yes city just did a video on it!
i have to say that this cpu is a toastie boy . but i manage to control the temps by setting the frequency to 4.25 GHz at 1.2475V and getting 2580 score on cinebench r20 using cheap 35$ 6 heatpipe air cooler temps being around 70-75c at full load at 30 ambient temperature and thanks for the video it's very helpful
finally snagged one of these for 150 bucks, which, they have been sitting at 200 since launch so ill take it. nabbed a lightly used b550 for a 30 dollar savings over new so that cancels out the markup over msrp of 120. Now to just wait for a 6700xt to be a thing that can be bought at not an insane price. But ill live with my rx480 in the meantime. The 3300x will still be a nice boost in all the older games that the rx480 can play easily and i play quite a few of them.
I need some motivation to install this cpu... I did the whole pre-order thing and it showed up in July. Still running my 1600AF with the 3300X is sitting in the box. Or, just sell a kidney and build a new computer and use the 3300x in it...
For something like a dan a4 i really would consider a 3100 because of thermals, if you are gaming in 60fps and not competitive you are better off with a noctua low profile and a cpu that runs cool and cheap, besides, even on competitive 3100 should be just fine... Who need 400fps anyway?
Just wondering where I can find more info on why it's a bad idea to migrate a boot drive from an Intel system to a new AMD system? I had no idea this was a thing, so thanks for the heads up! I thought it was something you can fix in device manager by showing hidden devices and manually removing old chipset drivers for the Intel parts? I've done this before with an Intel > Intel rebuild with no issues.
I'm confused with the graph at 4:50. The title has color coding that is opposite of the key at the bottom. Was 80°C hit with the stock cooler or the AIO?
Watch Gamersnexus. You could pair it with a 2080ti without Bottlenecking (at the moment). They really proofed that though Steve wouldnt recommend that combination due to a lot of other obvious reasons.
No just use any profile edit the power profile in advanced options change the option power management of processor state both max and min to 99% and and by droping them to that boom no fan ramping up and down its a glitch in the heuristics of windows for power,though you you may take a small performance hit but its better say in my case as my case has 6 fans not an audible sound you wana hear! hope that helps anyone that has that issue,it will also drop the idle heat like on the 3950x by at-least 10'c by doing that at-least with my amd 3950x and a few i have done for clientele
Are these even in stock yet? Ordered mine may 7th. Still not shipped. These are not available anywhere near $120.they are great cpus but only for very few tech reviewers.
Well it's easily the best cpu that you CAN'T buy right now lol . Vaporware ? Anyhow , does anyone know if AMD plans on releasing 6 or 8 core versions ?
for the next time, please do not use the term [drive], like in this time-stamp th-cam.com/video/vDkO8xKhU_s/w-d-xo.html instead use [storage] for a more broad view / perspective, because that is a more proper english word.
I have my 3300X in the tiny SG13 with a 120mm Corsair H60 AIO. It stays cool (>80C) and boosts to 4.35GHz but the VRMs on the motherboard get very hot, sometimes up to 80C. Is that bad for the VRMs or can they take that heat? The case has no exhaust so all the hot air gets pushed to the back where the VRMs are.
I have a build in that case and it's great. I wasn't sure about the silver color but it's grown on me. My 3700x and gigabyte rtx 2070 work well in it. Ultra quiet with noctua fans for everything and custom fan profiles too.
If there were 3300x processors available anywhere I would have used that instead though. I'd take the higher sustained clock speed over the extra cores for gaming. The black noctua nh-l9 I used really can't go much above a 65w processor with the low noise adapter and my 3700x won't stay above 4ghz on all cores without messing around in pbo which sends the thermals through the roof.
I use a CoolerMaster 240mm AIO on both of my AM4 solutions. The R5 2400G can get pretty hot when overclocking the cpu and the apu. Besides, it will eventually get my R7 2700 which needs all the cooling it can get when overclocked, as well. If you can afford it, budget more for cooling and memory up front, so that you wont have to spend even more money later. After all, that is why we chose the AM4 platform, isn't it? My machine may be running an apu today, but that same B450 Mortar motherboard will have an R7 and eventually even an R9 3950X before it is retired. This could take a while.
3600 MHz CL18 Samsung B-Dies kit here... I'm arguing with myself whether I should upgrade to the 3300X... I could probably run the memory at something like 3200 CL14...
Correction: Both the 3100 and 3300X are one CCD, the 3300X packs all four into one CCX while the 3100 uses two 2-core CCXs. I don't blame you for mucking that up, it's hard to keep track of the difference between CCD and CCX, and you did get it right on the visual.
I'm planning to build a gaming/editing station pc, will this be good for a starting processor? I'll build a ITX pc and also what GPU can I pair this with? Is 1060 ok because I'm tight in budget
A rapidfire checklist for Ryzen 3000 users - focusing on the 3300X.
If I missed anything, feel free to drop it below!
In your graphs before 6:20, the key underneath is the wrong way round.
Disagree on the manual memory tuning part.
Example, a ballistix sport lt kit 3200mhz goes from 75ns latency to 65ns resulting in up to 20% gaming performance on the 3300x without even overclocking the CPU.
Some even more expensive 3600mhz kits with cl16 will have a latency of 80+ns and is actually worse for Ryzen, and 10th gen Intel.
Latency is also important on Intel side, especially with 10th gen.
I'm a little disappointed that you don't go deeper into manually tuning memory when talking about how to maximize the potential of your ryzen chip, as it is by far the most significant performance boost you can get outside of exotic cooling.
@@gismo3564 I think he did for the sake of simplicity, or maybe he just forgot or didn't know about it that well. "Exotic cooling" had me laugh mad
Could u do a comparison of the x570i strix and the x570i aorus
5:25 Both the Ryzen 3 is using one CCD.
3300X using 4 core in one CCX, while 3100 using 2 core in 2 CCX. It's clearly shown in the picture.
Would be useful if they were in stock anywhere lol
Lol 😂
Oh you mean the unicorn everyone is claiming that are just everywhere now? Im so sick of youtube videos on the fairytale 3300X I could scream.
In Canada they’re in stock but they cost 400 cad / 300-350 usd. That is absolutely insane and not worth it.
I just checked newegg, they have it there. Maybe you werent looking?
@@ProMonke. just buy the R5 3600 at this time for just 160 USD.
The amount of effort this guy puts into his thumbnails, cinematography, editing, and writing is seriously commendable. Please continue to keep your content next level.
Did you go to film school?
@@HadoukenNewcombe Not very fun at parties, are you, Josh?
I think he stole his statistics from another channel though. They look very familiar
@@rik4351 pretty sure it's just a stock element you can buy and edit
me watching cpu videos to cure my depression of not having such good cpus
i am still waiting for corona to end so i can finally buy a new psu/mobo/etc at a reasonable price..m
@Titan Mechanism it's just a contributor but I just exagerated it
What CPU do you use?
@@gjdud12 i3 540
@@DenzCasuela do blck overclocking xD
I gave my mate my 3900x stock cooler (as I have an AIO) and we overclocked it to 4.3 on all 4 cores.
what v?
I have mine at 4.4 all core with the Wraith spire stock cooler. Makes a lot of noise though😂
What Vcore?
Perfectly timed! Just in the middle of planning an ITX build with this. Gonna go for the Lian Li TU150
That's a sexy one, still not in the sub 20L world of the SFF.
Amaury Toloza If it’s a good case what does sub 20L matter? Bragging rights? New to SFF.
@@HaydenRoberts08 Generally to be a "real" SFF case it has to be less than 20L. It's kind of just the rules that the community has made up. Nevertheless, it looks like a great case so I'd say go for it. There's also been word of new Cooler Master ITX cases coming out that look dope if you wanna hold off for a bit.
Haha I just bought a mini build with 3900x 2070 super with that case pretty awesome!
2:45 overclocking the infinity frabric from 1800 MHz to 1900 MHz let's to run 3800MHz RAM in coupled mode. That's what I'm currently running at CL14 and it's working quite well
What ram sticks are you running? Curious who makes the memory chip.
I can’t even make mine runs to 1800 fabric at 3600nhz without it crashing
Starmaker also depends on your mother board when ocing infinity fabric with memory.
Micron E-die 19nm, single rank 16GB sticks (2x8) rated at 3200MHz 16-18-18-36, running at 3800 16-19-16-36. Everything set by Ryzen DRAM calculator, stable, and i'm lazy to tighten those timings a bit better. 3600, IF on 1900MHz, mem controller 1900MHz.
@@redeye259 It's obviously Samsung B-die, Micron nor Hynix can't have CL14 with 3800MHz.
O.T.: spending way more on the cooler than the cpu is not a good idea
Me: spends 800 on a custom loop and custom case
Hobbyist is different because you're not paying for performance there
@@FinneousPJ1 technically some of them pay for performance but hobbyist requires it to look good no matter how little the performance improvement is
Just wanted to build a 3300X / B550 system but here in germany it´s just another 20€ more for the 3600 so i choose this one instead. Using only AliExpress custom watercooling components ;-)
If my recommendation means anything, I’d suggest just trying to find a roaming Wraith Prism from the 3700x/3900x/2700x for $20-30 on HWSwap or on the local market. Very nice looking cooler and would perform measurably better than the stock Stealth cooler, while not breaking the bank.
Braxton James i would suggest snowman T4 cooler instead, base price around 20$, techyescity recommends it.
@@Crustee0 the exact thing i wanted to suggest, in my country i can get it from aliexpress for under 15$ (using coupons and promos), outstanding value considering it is basically a clone of gammaxx 400 (almost 30$ in my country). my experience with it is absolutely positive, i am surprised even the fan is pretty decent and is quieter than coil whine.
Braxton James or something like deepcool gammaxx 200t. They can be easily found for 20 bucks and sometimes even for 15 bucks on sales
And here are some more affodable cooling solutions: Arctic Freezer Xtreme Rev. 2, Bequiet Pure Rock 2 Black and Shadow Rock 3, Cryorig H5, Scythe Kotetsu Mark II and Mugen 5 Rev. B, Thermalright Macho Rev. B, Xilence M704
in any case check out reviews and tests of any product before you buy. but the Evo 212 is old and there are better options.
In my country id cooling se 224xt basic is the best price/performance. The price around $20 but runs cooler than hyper 212 Black Edition
@@I.V.Y.N i have se224xt. replaced stock fan with 2 arctic p12 pwm pst. dayum!
Man you post some of the most relevant videos for me, I just bought a 3300x for my rig! Thank you!
Ah I love how this came out 1month after I built my pc with r5 1600
I've got a 2700X and didn't even see it on the comparison charts.. How does that compare to this 3300X?
Just look up some benchmarks, there’s a few of them here on youtube
Correction here. The 3300X is situated in a single CCX. Both Cpus have all 4 cores in a single CCD. The 3100 splits two cores in separate CCX's. There are two core complexes per core complex die.
A cooling recommendation: the Arctic freezer 34 esports (duo) goes for 30-40€ and offers very good value. It´s one of the best singletower aircoolersand it looks pretty good as well
I have it, it's amazing.
This^
Wish I would have scene this video about a week ago, @ 1:00 where you explain the previous drive issue, I had to redo my windows setup as it just wouldn't boot period.
Thankfully all my information is always backed up on a portable drive so it made quick and easy work of the reinstall.
Well, i tried to devoltage it by 150 mV and it gave me quite noticable drop in temperatures - from 68 to 55 degrees while using Noctua U12S under full load by Furmark, and all cores hold 4.3Ghz pretty well...
1:13. I disagree.. I went from 6700k to 3700x and just uninstalled all the Intel drivers before swapping motherboards. I get the sand out better performance in R20 as most reviewers and zero stability problems. No need to reinstall Windows.
I changed the old i5 2400 to R5 3600 without reinstalling win10 and also no issues. In all tests I have similar results to what I found on the internet.
You CAN use your old windows 10 boot drive, no need to reinstall windows especially if your coming from a older amd platform, have done this myself and I upgraded cpu, motherboard and ram. Many others have done this and have had zero issues just like me. Windows 10 will just install new drivers and will work just fine. You will have to go and uninstall any trace of old software from windows and make sure you install your new chipset drivers after you boot up with the new hardware.
If there was one extremely obvious and simple but sometimes overlooked thing when it comes to memory, it's running it in dual channel correctly, or doing that at all (2x8 is WAY faster than 1x16)
Any word yet on the B550 ITX lineup ? MSI has a board now.
You should know - the reason you can undervolt the system by 75mV in an MSI board is due to its overvoltage by default to the same degree! Your 1.36v overclock is in fact 1.43-1.44v...
"The best cpu you can't buy". It was 129 euro. But they're sold out for that price. Now you only can get it for like 150-155 euro.
Might as well get a 3600 at that price tbh
@@iceyberq except that now the 3600's price rose from $150 to $220
@@bananya6020 noticed that. Building pc during dec. Hoping it can drop to around 200
@@bananya6020 here in Germany the Ryzen 5 3600 still costs 160€
READ THE BIOS DESCRIPTION!! So some BIOS updates remove support for 1st Gen ryzen on some boards to support 4th Gen. doing so is a NON REVERSIBLE change
Yes. cooler is not even a problem, you can buy it used anywhere and MAYBE need to replace the fan in 3+ years of usage. Coolers are the best part to buy used, will not see any hidden defect.
1.36v on static OC will degrade the cpu even in a short term.
jop 1.35 is the absolut maximum and degrade is on ryzen a problem.
Just by tightening the memory timing alone, you can get ~20% more FPS in game. www.hardwareluxx.de/community/threads/ram-timings-und-deren-einfluss-auf-spiele-und-anwendungen-amd-update-23-05-2020.1269156/ Use Google translate if you need to. Surprisingly, so few reviewers know how important RAM is for Ryzen 3000.
i own a 3600 but still love videos on optimizing anything
I’m building my first new build soon :))) upgrading from i7 2600 and quadro 4800. I can’t wait I’m gonna use ryzen 3 3300x and rx 5600xt
Dont undervolt Ryzen CPU in Bios!!! You have to undervolt it in Ryzen Master. It is very important.
May I ask why?
May i ask why?
May I ask why?
I'm a little bit late but.... May I ask why?
Yeah, for the heck of I i swapped out my 4690k Intel system to my old Ryzen 2700x system a few years back with zero issues. Great performance and stability. Its not the early 2000's any more, Windows 10 took care of a lot of what was needed as it was booting back up. Ran with great performance and reliability before I ever did a clean install.
i still believe the clean install would be more performant. when i (pre)installed windows on an old intel cpu and moved the ssd to an amd cpu it caused a few issues (listen, i REALLY did not want to wait) such as random freezes. thankfully it was a clean install anyways so it took like 30 minutes to install it on the right cpu
This is one of the best video's i have seen in a long time in regards to layman's. So many people would love to know how to do this stuff but can be incredibly overwhelmed with the steppes.
That's the reason i'm too hesitating about this cpu. Too much equations to make it the "budget value"
Would love to know where to get more information on the point he makes at 1:12.
Specifically, why exactly might a Windows install from an old Intel build cause issues?
Also, is there any way to mitigate those issues OTHER than a fresh Windows install?
The only thing I know of is that if you change too many things at once, Microsoft can deactivate your copy of windows.
my 3300x was running ridiculously hot, up to 89 degrees while gaming and up to 94 degrees on cinebench. i changed the ppt from the stock 88 W to 60 W and it got alot cooler.
Before: imgur.com/a/ClmKQoo average 90 degrees
After: imgur.com/a/W548gBq average 71 degrees
Although i did lose a small bit of performance, the system is completely stable and i think it's definitely worth saving 50$ on a new cooler.
though im using these settings: imgur.com/a/qsppiTE 70 tdp/ppt (average temp is 80 degrees) is the best imo.
How did you set the PPT tho? I can't seem to find the option in the Ryzen Master. Same exact problem as i haven't got the budget for a cooler :(
@@anavreen you can easily change it from the bios settings,
sff.life/how-to-undervolt-ryzen-cpu/
this guide helped me alot, just change the ppt
What about applying liquid metal between IHS and cooler instead of thermal paste? Because this CPU has a hotspot on its CCD, it should help with the thermals for like $10.
Messing with the IHS on Zen2 is such a hassle for such a small thermal gain it's simply not worth it. It's completely different than what Intel is doing, given the Zen2 cores aren't flush with the IHS.
Nice video and very informative
@4:45 Ali: ''...something like a normal ambient temp of 22C..."
Me: *thermostat set to 30C* >.>
Dafuq
Is the 3300X still a good value though at $120, when the 3600 can be found for as low as $160-170? Maybe if it drops to below $100 as we get closer to Zen 3.
From what I've seen. The 3300x is faster in single core performance for gaming.
The 3300x is generally slightly faster in gaming, due to being a single ccx. However personally I would much rather have the 3600 at $160. And have the extra cores for better multithreaded games.
Especially since the 3300x is in some places more expensive than the 3600 (crazy I know)
$120 is the MSRP, if you can get it for that price it’s a good value. $100 is a great value.
for gaming only, there is close to non-existing gains that a 3600 can give you. For anything else, the 3600 is obviously better.
It's impossible to find it at 120 and the 3600 is more than 160.
3300x is the best CPU ever, basically a 7700 non overclocked at less than half for used price.
This "budget" cpu is $220 here in canada :/
Wow! What a fantastic video. Gets right to the heart of the matter and explains things in an easy to understand manner. Thank you.
The only practical optimization: drop 3300X, choose 3600
basically, sadly
The 3300X is a budget gaming beast.
Take it from a Ryzen owner since day one. The only way to make Ryzen suitable for gaming is to COMPLETELY DISABLE SMT in the BIOS. Yes, Ryzen is generally amazing for multi tasking and multi core video editing output. But it's always been behind in gaming due to SMT and this does NOT SHOW UP IN FPS TESTING. When pushed to the max core limits, SMT creates a stutter in game play which can only be felt. Your FPS might show 100+ but it feels like 50-60. It's terrible. Disable SMT for max efficiency or learn to park your cores if you want to micro manage everything.
Damn, I was hoping you had some software hacks to keep Ryzen fast and cool. I'm gonna get a 3300x and throw it into a Node 202 whilst in the horizontal position. Looks like I'll have to throw in a Scythe Shuriken 3 and increase the height in order to avoid really high temps!
So uhhhhh, I paired my 3300X with an NH-D15...... it was running a max of 4350 MHz before on stock cooler with PBO on auto. Used to reach 80c+ on heavy tasks.
Now with PBO on enhanced 4 on a b550 msi gaming edge mobo, I’m getting 4450 MHz with 65c max sustained :)
do NOT run over 1,3v or even 1,3v for daily useage if you override core voltage. It will degreade the cpu rather fast. Some people have reported extreme degrading after 3 to 6 months already. google it if you don't believe me. The reason why if you watch the voltage on stock and it goes to 1,4v and higher is because of the reading mechanism. In reality the voltage is only that high for literally micro or nanoseconds to boost and then it goes way lower. Run prime95 at small FTTs and you'll see that on stock most ryzen 3000 chips voltage will go down quite dramatically. Definetly under 1,3v
dude. was waiting for u to say "blender Render" :(
He did at 4:38 :)
Blenda renda
As usual.. very informative and detailed guide on optimizing ur 3300X. My favourite tech channel atm... Keep up the good work bro...!!!
Hey , would u consider doing eSport games benchmarks in this method?
Method:
cap the fps to 144fps/240fps
and getting the average fps for each game / CPU
also add section to see how much apps in the background impacting that average
like Geforce shadow or instant replay of AMD or OBS, Streaming
the idea behind it is
without capping the fps, the high fps in small rooms or in good cases like without many explosions in game would offset the average quite much
so this cap avoid it and really given the right distribution of the fps while eSport gaming
TYVM
I tried setting everything to default on my MSI bios, and even updated it a few days ago. Using ryzen master to oc the chip to 4.4ghz @1.4375v . cinebench completes, but using OCCT shows CPU errors. Was wondering if this the limit to my OC? Or is there something in my bios that I need to change to enable manual OC in Ryzen Master
P.s:
- i tried 4.5ghz @ stopped at 1.5v cuz im too scared to go higher than that
- I also tried 4.3ghz@ 1.375v and the OCCT still showed errors
If I leave everything at stock this happens:
- i have a tower cooler (70-75celcius @boost 4.2~4.35ghz)
6:15 - I cannot overstate my appreciation for the Y axis of the Frequency chart starting at 0. THANK YOU.
That said, 0 deg C is sort of arbitrary given deg kelvin.
I came here because I search for Overclocking results of as many people as possible.
Mine 3300x went to 4,4 GHz on 280mm AIO with 92°C Prime95 SmallFFT. Because I use 21:9 monitor I can't take gaming results as a base
You could just get a snowman cooler on Aliexpress. I don't know why people just out right ignore aliexpress all together. I've bought almost 100 products from them including pc parts and have had few problems, all of which I got my money back on. Even shipping is fast, or was before cv. You can even get cheap mobos from them for the 3300X, I think tech yes city just did a video on it!
i have to say that this cpu is a toastie boy . but i manage to control the temps by setting the frequency to 4.25 GHz at 1.2475V and getting 2580 score on cinebench r20 using cheap 35$ 6 heatpipe air cooler temps being around 70-75c at full load at 30 ambient temperature
and thanks for the video it's very helpful
finally snagged one of these for 150 bucks, which, they have been sitting at 200 since launch so ill take it. nabbed a lightly used b550 for a 30 dollar savings over new so that cancels out the markup over msrp of 120. Now to just wait for a 6700xt to be a thing that can be bought at not an insane price. But ill live with my rx480 in the meantime. The 3300x will still be a nice boost in all the older games that the rx480 can play easily and i play quite a few of them.
I need some motivation to install this cpu... I did the whole pre-order thing and it showed up in July. Still running my 1600AF with the 3300X is sitting in the box. Or, just sell a kidney and build a new computer and use the 3300x in it...
If one has used a windows 10 boot drive from am Intel build could a fresh re install fix the stability issues?
For something like a dan a4 i really would consider a 3100 because of thermals, if you are gaming in 60fps and not competitive you are better off with a noctua low profile and a cpu that runs cool and cheap, besides, even on competitive 3100 should be just fine... Who need 400fps anyway?
Quick Question: Can i use the old HDD with windows 10 installed?
more info: I'm upgrading from i3s to ryzen 3
What problems will i see, if any?
some architecture specific drivers will be broken. your system will run but not optimally. i would still recommend you reinstall if you can
Just wondering where I can find more info on why it's a bad idea to migrate a boot drive from an Intel system to a new AMD system? I had no idea this was a thing, so thanks for the heads up!
I thought it was something you can fix in device manager by showing hidden devices and manually removing old chipset drivers for the Intel parts? I've done this before with an Intel > Intel rebuild with no issues.
Also, love the attention to detail you put into these videos, seriously top tier quality!
I'm confused with the graph at 4:50. The title has color coding that is opposite of the key at the bottom. Was 80°C hit with the stock cooler or the AIO?
Kevin Siebert the stock cooler seeing the line after it is much lower in temps which indicates the aio cooler being used
Oops! Orange is stock, purple is 240mm
Watch Gamersnexus. You could pair it with a 2080ti without Bottlenecking (at the moment). They really proofed that though Steve wouldnt recommend that combination due to a lot of other obvious reasons.
Choose .....
ryzen 3 3300x + x570 motherboard + good cooling
or ?
ryzen 5 3600 + cheap b450 motherboard + stock cooler
Why the Windows USB drive from an intel machine will cause problem on the AMD?
No just use any profile edit the power profile in advanced options change the option power management of processor state both max and min to 99% and and by droping them to that boom no fan ramping up and down its a glitch in the heuristics of windows for power,though you you may take a small performance hit but its better say in my case as my case has 6 fans not an audible sound you wana hear! hope that helps anyone that has that issue,it will also drop the idle heat like on the 3950x by at-least 10'c by doing that at-least with my amd 3950x and a few i have done for clientele
Can you make a review of Raijintek Metis Evo?
Are these even in stock yet? Ordered mine may 7th. Still not shipped. These are not available anywhere near $120.they are great cpus but only for very few tech reviewers.
Can't find a 3300X anywhere, and if anybody bothers putting a 240mm AIO, might as well get a 3600 or 3600X instead.
Well it's easily the best cpu that you CAN'T buy right now lol . Vaporware ? Anyhow , does anyone know if AMD plans on releasing 6 or 8 core versions ?
Love this channel!
for the next time, please do not use the term [drive], like in this time-stamp th-cam.com/video/vDkO8xKhU_s/w-d-xo.html
instead use [storage] for a more broad view / perspective, because that is a more proper english word.
Get 4400mhz viper kit. Underclock to 3600mhz cl14 at 1.45v. Gg ez
1:10 what else can I do if I can’t do that?
7:00 I don't agree with this take because that's assuming you're not gonna buy a $50 cooler for the Ryzen 3600 too.
I have my 3300X in the tiny SG13 with a 120mm Corsair H60 AIO. It stays cool (>80C) and boosts to 4.35GHz but the VRMs on the motherboard get very hot, sometimes up to 80C. Is that bad for the VRMs or can they take that heat? The case has no exhaust so all the hot air gets pushed to the back where the VRMs are.
That's fine, temps on VRM are rated to 105-130°C. Everything under 100 is perfectly fine and you don't need additional cooling.
Which should I get for an Gtx 1660Super card build - the Ryzen3300x or the Intel i5 10600k
Thanks for these videos Ali, always in love with your chill attitude and cleaniness of the footage (and your hair too lol!)
Thanks for the Video, excellent info mate!
Can you review more chinese ITX cases?like the Metalfish S3
I have a build in that case and it's great. I wasn't sure about the silver color but it's grown on me. My 3700x and gigabyte rtx 2070 work well in it. Ultra quiet with noctua fans for everything and custom fan profiles too.
If there were 3300x processors available anywhere I would have used that instead though. I'd take the higher sustained clock speed over the extra cores for gaming. The black noctua nh-l9 I used really can't go much above a 65w processor with the low noise adapter and my 3700x won't stay above 4ghz on all cores without messing around in pbo which sends the thermals through the roof.
is the 3300x an upgrade from the 2600? I have a 120mm aio. Just for gaming nothing else
You keep telling 120$ but in Europe is avaiable at 180€ (~200$) only on Amazon.
Isn't the 3100 two CCXs but one CCD and 3300x is one CCX and one CCD? It's very confusing
yeah definitely don’t keep the same windows installation when upgrading
lost ~400gb of data
lol introduce instability...
hey im back, turns out 3400 isnt a thing i can hit with this kit on this board... rip
laughs in 1900 FCLK xd
when b550 itx reviews? :(
Great b roll so crisp and complimentary colours used.
Sometimes I think I know what I'm doing with my system... And then I watch a video like this.
Building a 3600X + H60 into an evolv Shift air soon. Hope I can keep the temps under control, fingers crossed!
nice choice for the case!
Look at his clip to his Shift air build, he undervolt the 3600 to 1.2V and have the same boost clocks as stock but 10-15C lower.
@@oll1_sg686 yep I plan to undervolt both gpu and cpu to see if that helps
matteo UV is alltimes worth! Lower temps, lower noise etc 👍🏻
This is a sweet little chip, glad you gave it some additional coverage.
4:16 While me still editing and rendering video using Dual Core CPU only :,)
I use a CoolerMaster 240mm AIO on both of my AM4 solutions. The R5 2400G can get pretty hot when overclocking the cpu and the apu. Besides, it will eventually get my R7 2700 which needs all the cooling it can get when overclocked, as well. If you can afford it, budget more for cooling and memory up front, so that you wont have to spend even more money later. After all, that is why we chose the AM4 platform, isn't it? My machine may be running an apu today, but that same B450 Mortar motherboard will have an R7 and eventually even an R9 3950X before it is retired. This could take a while.
Your camera skills are great, your videos always look amazing
3600 MHz CL18 Samsung B-Dies kit here... I'm arguing with myself whether I should upgrade to the 3300X... I could probably run the memory at something like 3200 CL14...
Correction: Both the 3100 and 3300X are one CCD, the 3300X packs all four into one CCX while the 3100 uses two 2-core CCXs. I don't blame you for mucking that up, it's hard to keep track of the difference between CCD and CCX, and you did get it right on the visual.
I'm planning to build a gaming/editing station pc, will this be good for a starting processor? I'll build a ITX pc and also what GPU can I pair this with? Is 1060 ok because I'm tight in budget
Does the ryzen powerplay effect games? High performance or balanced?
10 minutes to say "upgrade your cpu cooler and case and fans" smh what a waste of time