Certified tech here: The SSD can be upgraded but the storage controller firmware in the SOC has to be reconfigured, this can only be done by booking a repair in apples systems and then entering a diagnostic mode allowing the mac to connect to Apples servers which will remotely install the configuration. And yes, I agree it's dumb. Edit: Theoretically they could probably enable people to do this at home since the entire update process is cloud based and only requires the user to enter the serial numbers of the new chips into their system. It works the same way for iphones, and they're going to enable self repair for those. Will they? Probably not.
I'm guessing this is because (due to the controller being in the SOC) the wear-leveling information, etc has to be reset. I wonder if there is some kind of pairing going on as well between SOC and flash.
@@disoriented3971 Sure there's reconfiguration; wear metadata, rewriting keys, and so on, but why does Apple need its servers involved, and why does it work fine when you replace one of the same size?
Amazing, so everything has to be cloud based now, even a firmware restore. For your own safety and security I'm sure, definitely not so that the machine is tied to a UUID tied to you so that everything you do can be tracked and sold by Apple... Same reason they blocked Facebook from tracking you on the iPhone.
@@Gregb05 my guess is they are trying to prevent their config software from getting out into the wild to stop companies like OWC from making 3rd party replacements…..
The Mac Studio was such an opportunity for them to finally become repairable and modular. They made the devices harder to repair on purpose, they were not constrained by thinness or performance issues. They just wanted the computer to be unrepairable.
hold on! what's not repairable, the PSU is modular, and so is the flash storage? You can replace the storage with the same sized component, you just can't upgrade it. The RAM is part of the SOC and can't be made modular, and designing a socket for the SOC doesn't seem worth the expense. Not sure what else you were hoping for. It's plenty repairable.
Don't forget, their product announcement kept pushing how "modular" the Studio is. So not only is the product an antithesis to their previous repairability articles, they're misguiding consumers as well by misusing technical terms. Talk about false advertising, Apple style.
@@DanielFerreira-ez8qd hey i got idea to make every part in mac (including box, charger, walk to the store or even button) need subscription. So good for environment isn't?
@@SmileFile_exe Some of them are actively dumping barrels of toxic waste into endangered wetlands. Not everybody is doing that. If you're buying Apple you're literally contributing to destruction of the environment and child slave labour.
5:20 I thought it was better if the power lines connect before data lines, no? For ESD purposes, data lines are weaker, so I would prefer power lines to connect and discharge ESD before data lines connect. But you may prefer to live more dangerously!
I agree with u Medhi but the rest of the producers don't follow it so they swapped it with the safety concern as u mentioned cause even if the repairilbility plan back fired they would have a safety sheild guarding their asses 😂 this is business boisss
apple talking with news interviewrs: Our technicians have thoroughly .. this computer is very.. er yes it will not be possible to change the power supply on future mac os updates. And well security reasons... da yah the-uh system will not allow because ah- well we want to ensure da utmost security and performance for our users and ah- ah being able to change the power means .. is no good. Honestly apple just do better, there's no reason to lock down your tech except to give your repair shops more revenue - and apple fanboys can at least see this much
I think the Apple cardboard engineers may be the best and most elite type of engineers they have. Just making it neat, practical, robust and eco friendly, no manpower wasted on actively making it worse.
The manpower isn't "wasted." Unrepairable Macs sold to naive and ignorant consumers = massive profit. They can use their cheap ass Chinese slave labour to do the Louis Rossman stuff with access to all the original parts they could ever want or need and resell the fixed machines as 'new' OR make the entire process such a hassle that their more wealthy consumer base just says 'fuck it give me another one.' Full price.
I used to work at Apple as a hardware technician and I can't even begin to express how infuriating it was that I always had to use special software developed for internal use ONLY to solve issues like these. All their devices can theoretically be modified and repaired as you would normally expect, but they've made sure to lock everything so you NEED to use their own software and programs to make it work...
Using proprietary software to do maintenance tasks is not the end of the world, the problem is that are not available to general public. This is clearly a violation to the right to repair
@@andrewk8636 it's easy to say "would be cool if you leak it" but the reality is if the source of the leak was identified, the leaker's career would be _fucked._ And you can bet that the leak would be identified because Apple had eyes on every pins of their microchips. yeah it would be cool while it lasted but it was a risk to someone's livelihood, risk that low-level technicians can't often afford.
@@mrld3005 Well, I don't think it's exactly the same. PS5's are subsidized to be sold nearly at cost (at launch anyway...). You could easily argue that the drive-less model is actually FURTHER DISCOUNTED rather than the drive model being an 'extra' $100. Subsidized means the hardware is very cost efficient for the amount of power you get for running games because they are not trying to profit on their console hardware itself, sometimes even selling at a loss. There is a very good reason it makes financial sense for Sony to subsidize their hardware (to build a user base, and profit on the games and other). The further discounting of the drive-less model makes a lot of strategic sense because now they have a model with a notably ($100) lower price than their "full" model with the drive. The drive-less model forces consumers to buy digital content and games, which are more profitable for Sony and are not re-saleable as used copies. There is no packaging, middle men, and minimal distribution (only server and bandwidth costs, which DEFINITELY are cheaper than the overhead of selling physical copies). You could compare this to an imaginary scenario where oil companies sold 2 models of cars. One costs less, but uses more gasoline. They can sell the car cheaper and make up the cost with selling them gas. A console is primarily purchased to play games on, and without a drive, you MUST buy the more profitable digital versions of the game.
I wonder if, by the time the repairability, upgradability, or serviceability of almost all modern devices is revealed to be zero to a majority of the population, it will be too late to do anything about it.
I mean there are already competitors going out of their way to market for repairability and long term functionality. Fair phone, framework laptop, librem phone, etc. It's just a matter of getting consumers to actually value those features over flagship ones. (and I mean, they are staying in business now, so unless the market that goes out of their way to buy more repairable devices somehow shrinks, they aren't going under)
@@robonator2945 one other problem is that the people who are into repairability are not the norm, so market is limited, and the "raparability" companies will have to do a fine balance between the price of device, the price of parts and the durability of their stuff to not extinct their own market by selling hardware that remove customers from the market instead of locking them in like the others
@@0b4y3mi You're right that it's not the norm, but the fact is I don't see how the current market niche will shrink. Companies like the ones I listed are factually profitable targeting a market niche that is unlikely to shrink, by that measure it's highly unlikely it will ever be "too late". The key is consumer education and EXPANDING the niche that cares about that sort of thing. Even regulation will inevitably just be bypassed through loopholes or whatnot, but if consumers simply don't buy non-repairable or non-consumer friendly products there isn't really a loophole in that so long as at least a few big groups are dedicated to educating consumers.
lol they already do this with their iPhones: chargers, charging cables and batteries have chips in them that prevent you from replacing them with non-Apple ones or prevent you from using 3rd party chargers/cables without some major drawbacks.
@@BlazerRox maybe read about "load switches" first before complaining. It's a pretty neat way to protect sensitive circuits and I'm shocked to this day that barely anyone emphasizes them as much as Apple.
Love how I can easily add several 2 TB SATA SSDs to my 11 year old ASUS 6PTE mobo, but would be stuck with a meager 512 GB with this state of the art compact computer. Absolutely ridiculous.
and the 2tb ssd costs less than the difference in price between the 0.5tb and 1tb mac. And the biggest spit in the face is how those arent even whole different SSDs in there but merely just flash modules soldered to a pcb. The production cost of one of them can not exceed 5 or 10 bucks
Honestly, when thinking about the environment alone, this kind of anti-consumer practice should actually be *ILLEGAL.* Repairing and maintaining products is *crucial* to reducing waste and pollution!
I am hoping that the OP actually lives their life in a way that reduces their environmental impact and does whatever they can to reduce waste and pollution.. Often It’s just a stupid but not inaccurate talking point thrown out by people who do nothing in their own lives to reduce their environmental impact and are just using this to rant against their most hated enemy, Apple. Most viewers on here buy products that are far worse for the environment and use them in ways that have little productive value.
@@robertt9342 his point is that apple is always trying to be sustainable but isn't in this case. It's a moot point if the consumer/commenter is or not - the point is apple continues to "try" to be (i.e. cardboard boxes, charging brick, etc), but still does this shit
I replaced some flowers that have died in the garden, then the whole house stopped working, the locks, the toilet, the curtains all just froze up. I had to put the dead flowers back in for the house to work again. I now have the option to replace the flowers for $1,000 each by the builders or leave them alone.
This is why right to repair is a necessary factor to prevent corporates from harassing the consumers. Even Steve Wozniak said that having the ability to repair products is what truly makes sustainability more of a practical approach. We need more consumer protective laws and ensure both the parties concerned come into a conclusion in this matter.
I Have never own a Apple product. I recon I will not own one before I can tinker and upgrade my own property. The computer last longer when I can do that. Same goes for smart phones. I Love Apple for design and apps. But I am locked and have a feeling that I do not own my bought product.
Why do we need laws, though? It's easy to find out how serviceable a product is before buying it. If it's important to consumers, companies will take notice or they will lose to competition that does. If it's not important to consumers, why force it through laws?
This repair stuff is bs, apple products are built with quality, a mac literally lasts forever and if you are that scared of a cube breaking then get apple care cover..., changing the ssd on a mac is dumb, if youre spending 2k on 512gb then im pretty sure these people can afford 2.2-2.6k for 2tb; it's all about choosing the right option not tampering with the internals and inserting lower quality ssds/iems
This is not really a r2r issue though. Which is why someone like Louis Rossmann doesn't see a big problem with it. I don't think it's good, in fact when you look under Louis' video you might find my comment poiting out that this is still anti customer and specifically to prevent upgrades.
Imagine if a construction company who built apple's building made proprietary outlets, door locks, and light bulbs, etc. Then when ever apple need to plug in something, make keys for doors, or change a light bulb they have to pay the construction company to send in a tech to do those thing for them....because apple logic.
This is pretty close to how the government buys contracts and spare equipment. Outlets aren't proprietary but keys for doors/changing light bulbs requires contracted companies to source them.
and if a door gets stuck shut and becomes a fire safety hazard, they can't just get someone to repair it, they have to pay the construction company smh. imagine a fire happens in the meantime 💀
I worked for AppleCare for a while a few years ago and it's like this for everything- not just the hardware but the internal SOP's are designed to screw you at every opportunity. I'll never forget the call I had with a customer who had spent $1500 on a Certified Preowned (from an authorized vendor) 2018 MacBook Pro for school and ran into the butterfly keyboard issue. Fun fact: anything preowned is marked AS IS in big bold letters on our screen as soon as you pull up the serial. What does AS IS mean in Apple? "Not our problem." Even for confirmed, warranty issues. This series of keyboards was confirmed to have an issue and was advertised ON OUR SITE to be covered for repairs on anything to do with it. This chick had bought a CERTIFIED PREOWNED (for nearly the price of a new one mind you) that had APPLE'S STAMP OF APPROVAL ON IT buuuuuttttt because someone had bought it before her, all warranties were bucked. At that moment, I decided I would never buy an Apple product in my life- they don't care as long as they got their money out of you.
@@kael13 Sale was in the US, and the previous owner of the device had it for two days, the lady I served had it for a few months, but less than half a year. I escalated it as far as I could and everyone had the same response "It's an as is product, so she'll need to pay $800 to have the warranty issue fixed or buy a new one herself." It was awful.
So Certified Preowned just means it was working when they sold it? Sounds about the same as buying from anybody on the street as long as you see it working before you pay. Apple sucks in so many ways.
This story is common with "open box", "refurb", "as-is", "previously owned" electronics from anywhere these days. Apple, Samsung, Amazon, Newegg, etc. At least for normal consumers, anyhow.
Apple in 2004: "Our Imacs only have 3 screws on the back so our computers are easy to open" Now: "Weld it shut or get fired" (they dont weld it but you get my point)
More people need to remember that teams of software and hardware engineers were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to actively make the users' lives worse
At some point I just expect Apple to weld everything shut and if you try to even open it to upgrade it, they'll send a special task force to shoot on sight
I've long advised that Apple should include a chip that includes a cryptographic key to decrypt the firmware that is erased instantly if the case is opened.
Apple made some huge mistakes: 1. PSU is swappable. 2. Power cable is removable. 3. PSU is removable - it should be soldered. 4. Power cable does not contain lock-chip and can be swapped.
Apple should just make a computer that is an all in one, plug it into the wall, everything else is on board. Including keyboard, mouse, screen, speakers
@@lucasrem did you miss the part of the video where Apple intentionally made their SSDs incompatible with regular NVME drives simply so they could save a few bucks on the controller? Their goal is literally to upsell you on upgrades they went out of their way to modify so that the consumer could perform themselves, despite literally every other competing product allowing the user to upgrade that part themselves.
FYI… they’re gonna do it even if customers make a stink. As history has proven. I was a Mac Genius for 7 years… you guys are discovering what we in the GR knew about the Fruit Co back in 2006 💚 Pre 2012 was a glorious time for Macs. Expandable RAM & storage, could pull the ODD and add a 2nd SSD… good times. Fast forward 10 years, they’re appliances.
@J Hemphill Oh, I would have loved my samsung galaxy s5 if it had been "sabotaged" by android or new "expensive" features were basically restricted to still support the device the long way. But yeah...still using my Iphone SE and it works great without any lags at all...
@@dennis4985 I tossed my SE in the trash, that phone......garbage. I'm about to toss my 11 pro in the trash too, I've noticed my financial apps are freezing, and It's driving me crazy. My pixel 4 has a faster shutter speed, the battery lasts longer, it does how ever do this strange thing where the screen will back out to the home screen on its own, on apple music.
Apple is making a killing on upgrades. Apple is clearly anti-consumer, however their marketing and brand recognition is so strong, that the very people that they are screwing are defending them like there is no tomorrow. It is just sad.
and enter one of those defenders 😂. Apple has a philosophy. To make great software, you have to make your own hardware. I've always been a PC enthusiast and enjoyed upgrading parts. The problem is that Windows frequently crashed. A lot. Usually driver conflicts from various manufacturers. I now have a Mac Mini M1. Sure I can't rip it open and add a new Wifi card or RAM module...but it's never crashed. Not once in the six months since I've switched. Add that to the fact I really never have to worry about malware or viruses... I'm sold. Maybe it's just something that happens when you get older, but I don't I don't want to rip open computers just to add upgrades that don't work because of driver conflicts anymore. I just want something that works for my needs and so far Mac excells at that. I use to blame Windows, but you can't expect an OS manufacturer to make sure their OS works with every third party peripheral, or expect peripheral manufacturers to ensure their peripherals work with every other peripheral on the market. That's why Apple adopted the philosophy to build their own hardware. Yes, they still use third party suppliers for stuff, but very much under their own quality control. Enjoy your blue screens of death that you get from the freedom to mix and match hardware. The time I save from not dealing with that crap anymore has made my M1 Mac a very worthy investment and I can understand why Mac doesn't want to get the same reputation Windows has by allowing consumers to mix and match hardware willy nilly causing OS crashes.
@@jamesboggs5735 tell me you don't know how to install drivers for hardware without telling me you don't know how to install drivers for hardware also, your mac can't run most games which is fine if you're not a gamer but as long as gaming exists, windows will still rule. Mac is like a golden cage. It is nice, but still a cage. No freedom to experiment with.
@@jamesboggs5735 I work on windows. 0 crashes in 3 months. 1 crash in 6 months. I can make my OS to be the way I want. Everything is the way I want. You can't do that on Mac.
Apple: our all cardboard packaging shows how green of a company we are! Also Apple: throw out your entire $3000 computer when you run out of 512gb storage.
What an over simplification this statement is. It's a desktop with multiple Thunderbolt ports so nothing to stop a user adding external drives that will be damn fast. It also has a 10Gb Ethernet port so connect it to a NAS for bulk storage is another possibility. Only and idiot throws out a computer because the HD is full, at worst they sell it. Your statement is slightly more relevant in relation to RAM though where you don't have an upgrade path but even then, only an idiot would throw it out.
@@jadamsnz Yes, because the average Apple enjoyer would go out of their way to build their own NAS. The people that are notorious for prefering ease of use over upgradability and customisation. Best they'll do is put on some external HDDs/SSDs, but even then the point of this mini pc is to have a small clean pc somewhere nice, not have stuff hooked up to it all the time.
The biggest irony is that the number of people they prevent from doing this is so so small that they likely loose money by even spending the time to develop these protections and in place. Not to mention the customers they might have lost by doing so. They are literally costing themselves money by trying to make more money.
Nah, there is a ton of reasons to do this bullshit. * An actual economic reason: there is a market of buying and ripping devices for parts to sell them to repair shops. Of course it is cheaper, faster and easier than source them from Apple. * Stolen devices are especially nice to disassemble and sell as parts. It is an actual problem that apple can solve in this horrible way, but sadly don't. Hackers are always one step ahead. * Secure boot is a thing and it requires a chain of trust, aka locking EVERYTHING down in a most annoying way, so you can't compromise a computer even with physical access. It includes inability to add something new to it without wiping it.
I think every computer should have at least one internal port that can be user populated. And M.2 is a good approach for that. It's not only for storage, there are also wifi or bluetooth modules. Just like the old PCMCIA slots on laptops or ISA/PCI/PCIe in desktops.
Even laptops are upgradable for memory and storage, even some of em can be swap out the gpu and ports...this freaking metal brick can't do the modularity part even the easiest one
It's not a flaw, it's intentional. That's what makes this a big deal, Apple shouldn't get a pass because of their own weaponized incompetence. The argument that Apple doesn't actually know what they're doing is completely false. They know exactly what they're doing and it won't change unless people make them change it.
These kinds of anti-consumer practices should be called out, loudly, every time. Just like when Apple's butterfly keyboards required replacing the WHOLE DAMN LAPTOP every time a key got stuck (which was all the time).
It’s because apple design things with a strong set of user requirements in mind, and unfortunately, repairability is not one of them. If the keyboards are easily swappable it might result in in a bulkier design which is not very appealing. To be fair, they make up for it with really good service. I rmb swapping batteries for my iPad. Instead of swapping the batteries directly, they replaced the entire iPad. All at the cost of just the battery replacement. But yeah, I do agree that apple needs to improve repairability. They’re basically creating a repair monopoly.
@Terry Nelson If Macs were bad, sure - but the fact is they're incredibly useful devices with a fantastic ecosystem of support. They seem to be turning a new leaf on hardware, albeit slowly.
@Terry Nelson Main issue that EVERY OTHER brand will do the same and you end up in situation where you buy or go away with nothing at all. Such things must be regulated by law.
That's because the process is: "My key is stuck" "Okay here's a new laptop right now" "Okay thanks" Then they fix it and sell it on the refurb store and internally recycle the other parts
This wave of anti-repair, and anti-upgrade changes should be downright illegal. It is so close to extortion in my mind and it honestly makes me want apple to crash and burn.
@@noahd.4551 That's why it is more important than ever that everyone boycott Apple products to let the rest of the industry know that consumers reject this type of draconian behavior.
I mean, Apple has been doing this since day one. Nothing has changed, they have gotten away with the most ridiculous stuff since forever. History keeps repeating itself and people will forget once their new product comes out after a few weeks. Just don't get yourself into their ecosystem and you'll be fine, let other people deal with their bad choices.
I just successfully "swapped" a SSD drive between two Mac studios(4TB vs 8TB). I struggled on the same issue but funny thing it turns out that I just need to change the original disk location and then it works out well(both units restore successfully after the swap). In stead of slot A to A swap, try slot A to Slot B swap.
Its so ridiculous that he lives in society where he HAS to say he want to love a company wich support forced child labor and year after year are caugh of it.Nothing happens.Consumers are retards so this is what it is.I think Linus is a product of our society, another nerd who has given popularity in exchange of his biggotry.
In the rest of the industry, the idea of repairability has always implicitly included the concept of upgradability. Apple's idea of repairability on the other hand has always meant, "can be repaired... by us... when you give us more money". Also Apple's idea of Pro-consumer is, "Make the consumer more of a consumer... by giving us more of their money."
Not even that when you give them money... Like when LTT broke one of the imacs and they refused to fix it, even when offered money. What if you also try to tinker with your stuff and break it, and apple just refuses to fix it for you and says to buy a new one? I'd bet that already happened to some people.
This happens all the time, Apple either won’t fix it or they will for almost the exact same price the device cost new. You can see this in action by watching a few of Louis Rossmann’s videos.
Yeah, pretty much. In the PC hardware world that shit wouldn't fly for a goddamn second. Why? Because all of the computer hardware is modular. With the rare exception of suuuuper crappy, cheap, enterprise OEM computers, the hardware is all swappable and drivers are freely available from the manufacturers. Even in the case of that bizarre Dell computer with the wonky motherboard with the weird backend that stuck out of the case, you could still remove all of the components, put them onto another brand of motherboard with the same chipset and it'll work. You have to really dig to find a desktop system that is completely non-modular like this Apple Studio is. Hell, I challenge anyone to find a non-Apple desktop computer that won't allow you to swap out the storage drives at the very least.
"Problem with your computer? That's yesterday's problem! The solution is to upgrade** to our BRAND NEW 2023 M2 Mac Studio!" "**Trade-ins not accepted at this time."
13:35 - In fact, there IS custom logic on the FLASH module. All these FLASH memory modules are proprietary! Each of them has a proprietary microcontroller that connects it the M-series SOC through a PCIe x1 interface.
Sony and Microsoft also tend to list skus of compatible drives, which usually starts with -- what already exists at the time of sale. The exception of the PS2 was caused by Western Digital moving their power and IDE slots where no one else was using them... SATA standards fixed that issue, and M.2 is now there where there is the SSD standard and the Peripherals standard (because there are M.2 Wifi and Bluetooth cards). ...and remember that Microsoft is more originally a computer tech company... (also Sony MemStick is um... dead... lesson learned. (a second time -- Betamax))
Sony's Memory Stick Duo was really only meant for the PSP which was done to a similar way to what Apple is doing with their storage, making customers buy shitty low storage cap Cards for stupid prices, that's way it's dead
@@drakethedragon457 no they used those shitty sticks in some of their cameras as well, anything sony had they liked to use their own memory sticks which made life pain
@@drakethedragon457 memory sticks and whatever the vita's storage was called made some sense. still dumb but everyone was super concerned about piracy of digital content. but look where that gets you. it stopped nothing on the psp and part of the reason the vita failed was because of the expensive proprietary storage that still stopped nothing.
There is a very good reason as to why I never switched to a Mac. This video just hammers the nail into the coffin. I love having control over a product when I buy it and I as consumer should be free to do whatever tf I want with that product.
@@crowdemon_archives What PC has the same performance for this type of work for a fraction of the cost? Say what you want about the upgradability but its been proven time and time again their computer pricing isnt much higher than comparable PCs
@@Servidor_Publico_do_Ancapistao No this happens every time you guys just say stuff like that but cant actually post anything that can hit the same benchmarks for that much cheaper.
I really respect Linus for standing for the customer. He stands with Louis efforts with right to repair and recently with the Filmora lifetime upgrades fiasco. Worth letting the ads play completely. 👏
This just makes me have even more respect for Valve and companies like them. It was so easy to upgrade my 64gb steam deck to 512gb... And cost me much less than the price difference between their own SKUs
You know what I really appreciate? Linus' ability to show real indignation and rage on our behalf, while still being clear and concise about what makes this kind of engineering a consumer nightmare. The gloves are off.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 True, it's way too often that you find youtube videos on such controversies either end up turning into incoherent rants or become so passive in attitude that you feel like it has nothing to do with you. This here is a good balance of a cool-headed analysis of the situation with the occasional indignation thrown in at the discovery of unnecessary steps, with a final message summing up everything that we shouldn't accept from such expensive products and why it affects us.
TH-camr "Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics" . One man company. Works out of his garage. Does "House Calls" hundreds of miles away if you pay. Lives in State College, PA. Just did a video where he ended up in Baltimore to fix an electrical starting problem on a crane. Also, "South Main Auto Repair". Guy owns his own repair shop. General auto repair. But another guy who is a whiz with electronics.
I remember (not that long ago) when Apple's products were among the most elegantly designed, easily repairable, maintainable, upgradeable machines around. I owned many generations of their desktops, all-in-ones, and laptops, repaired several of them myself, and frequently did mid-cycle upgrades of RAM or disk to extend the devices' lifetimes. My how this company has fallen. I held my nose and bought a MacBook with soldered RAM a few years back, and then had to replace the entire mainboard for almost $700 when a $5 SMC chip on it failed last year. You could make the excuse that this is necessary on a laptop to achieve competitive levels of portability and battery life. But on a desktop? No. When they started taking active measures to frustrate repairability and upgradeability, I jumped ship. I'm done with them now.
I've always been opposed to Apple, even in the pre-OSX days due to how hard it was to use/troubleshoot (why no terminal, come on!). I recently picked up a 2011 Mac Mini for running OpenBSD, and while yes, *technically*, it's upgradeable by the user (RAM and HDD, at least), replacing the hard drives is an absolutely insane amount of work. Nobody should design a machine where the wear parts (hard drives) require the machine to be COMPLETELY TORN DOWN to swap. You're looking at close to an hour of work if you've never done it before to swap both the hard drives in a mini. Absolutely insane.
The original Mac and its successors were not designed even to be _opened._ If you found them "easily repairable" it would be only because entrepreneurs quickly responded with "Mac crackers", so you could get those dammed 5-lobe screws out.
@@-danR Have you never seen a Power Mac G4? An original Mac Pro? Or heck, going way back, even a 9600? Because every single one of those machines was able to be opened completely down to the logic board without the use of a single tool.
I remember the first iMac. I was baffled that Apple had created such an utterly useless thing. Loved the G4, that was a beast, but from there on I was out.
It's baffling to me that people would defend soldered-on or non-replacable SSDs, because of "safety", but would literally go to any cheapest car mechanic to repair the one thing that is likely to do them harm...
Imagine being an Apple engineer... your job is literally taking the best of the new technologies and making it worse for everybody, except their shareholders.
I think it’s got to the point that this is now actively hurting their growth. I would recommend this product MORE if it allowed upgradability. This is geared towards professionals that will be editing raw photo and video data. You can fill a TB in just one day of filming now. Especially at 8k. It’s pretty inexcusable that you cannot upgrade it later as your needs grow.
I left the apple ecosystem completely. Getting out of their "walled garden" was near impossible due to the amount of obstacles they placed on my way out specifically. (I still have family photos held hostage by my iCloud that got locked somehow, and can't be recovered "until I buy another iphone" according to support. False by the way.) And while I am sad to have missed out on some of their cooler advancements, I no longer get screwed over by garbage like this. In my situation the only winner is me, and Apple has done nothing but pushed me further away as they give the middle finger to Unreal Engine developers, android users, Windows users, and linux users. As someone who falls into these categories, the burnt bridge is irreparable
Same. I think their products are cool, but I left their ecosystem 9 years ago and never looked back. Shit like this only makes me firmer never to go back
4:08 apple’s been doing this for at least ten years. repairing my 2013 27” imac i found out various manufacturers made multiple variations of the psu; liteon and at least samsung iirc. totally different look, built to same spec. this might be why apple was barely affected by covid, but covid isn’t what started apple doing this
After all, that is the reason why AMD is in the x86 CPU market to begin with. IBM wanted a second supplier for the 8088, and AMD got the license. It's a smart move tbh
I wonder if it's for redundancy in case there's a design flaw found later down the road in a particular design it doesn't affect 100% of product. If you do 50% yield with each company and there's a critical flaw that shows up later and it affects 25% of only one of the vendors (an unlikely scenario by most standards) then you've mitigated a potential disaster.
@@ppcasm_1278 Also a very good point. But if you keep adding manufacturers, is there not a hypothetical critical threshold where the potential for exponentially multiplied issues directly outweighs the expectation of inherently uniform product reliability? I can see it working fine for two, maybe three manufacturers, but I’m curious how wide that net can be cast before the issues outweigh the benefits of manufacturing that way.
Still a 22 year IT professional proud to have never knowingly given Apple a single dollar of my money. I possess two apple devices, one phone (I think it's a iPhone 10, honestly I'm not sure) owned by my employer that they assigned to me and force me to carry every day, the other an older i-pad (also not sure what model) that was also assigned by same employer that was connected to the cellular network as a tool for us to use for a while that when the company decided to cut cellular costs they cut the cell service and told us to keep the ipad as our own. So I guess I OWN one Apple product, an aged IPad that I literally use as a Wifi connected PDF reader in the garage when I need to reference documents\manuals etc while working on hobby projects. Think I have used the IPad 3 times in the past five years hahaha. Anyway, Apple's philosophy toward their "customers" over twenty years is exactly why I don't see myself ever supporting Apple. For them it's ALWAYS a "money grab" and lock-down routine, just not interested. I guess one day if they make something exponentially excessively insanely cool that I just can't live without that *may* change, but until then I have been more than joyed to not give them my money...
They made the SoC, the mainboard, firmware, OS, and specced out the specific design for the flash modules and then had someone fabricate the hardware the way they wanted. It’s all intentional, and their system isn’t special. They want the repair money-all of it, and they don’t care about doing what’s best for others.
I hate it when companies don’t listen to their consumers. Apple is just being greedy right now. That’s not right. I really want Apple to listen to the consumers, not just for profit.
@@NotThatEpic7492 Apple will only stop doing this bullshit once there is actual competition. Sadly no SOC could match theirs yet. Some of it is probably due to custom designs that make it incompatible with normal SSDs like the integrated controller because the M1 might not use PCIE(just a guess). But there is no reason for them to not have a few resistors that code how much flash they have (to swap the capacity and brand of RAM you have to move around the resistors) or just make firmware accessible to everyone.
@@NotThatEpic7492 It's hard, those consumers are exactly who Apple caters to - people who *want to* be shafted. Not people like you and me. People who specifically like the fact that they can buy an overpriced device as a status symbol, show off their wealth, and have the security that no cheap scrub will be able to buy or repair such a device. They would never learn how to fix it themselves regardless, and besides; when it breaks they buy a new one, they don't want it repaired.
No, they don't want the repair money. Time and time again, they've proven that they want you to buy a new product once your old one fails. If you absolutely want to repair anyhow, it's going to end up costing you almost the same as buying a new product anyhow. A $5 chip broke on the motherboard? Nope, ain't fixing that, you're gonna have to pay $1500 for a new motherboard, or spend $2000 on a new computer. Most people are dumb enough to buy a brand new computer instead. Of course there are repair shops that will fix your motherboard for a lot less, but Apple is doing their best to make sure all important parts are either hardware locked (so you can't swap certain chips from one Iphone to another one for example), or impossible for repair shops to buy, so there'll be no other option than to heavily over-pay for a repair, or buy a new computer/phone/whatever. I don't see how Apple can pretend to care about the enviroment, when they are actively doing everything they can to make sure none of their products are ever repaired, they just have large parts of the product completely replaced, or they just claim it's impossible to fix and even claim that anyone who says that they can do it, are a scam, despite the fact that a lot of the things that are "unrepairable" according to Apple, is still fixable. Apple are just actively doing their best to increase the amount of e-waste, while proffiting from selling even more products cause people aren't getting them repaired. They're directly profiting from harming the enviroment.
In the 90's, I manages an academic department at a university what had all its faculty computers and lab computer as various Macintosh models. None were uni-box designs and all had easy to open cases (generally just either snap off with plastic clips, or a removable panel and the motherboard could be slid out to access). Both RAM and hard drives were accessible and each to upgrade, and there were a few third party products to upgrade with PowerPC processor boards in the late-90's... which we did for the faculty systems rather than replacing the systems completely. It was easy and we trained student workers to help do the upgrades. Wish Apple went back to that more consumer-friendly sort of design.
i was literally in 6th or 7th grade and took apart my laptops (HP and Dell) without doing any (significant) damage. most people are capable of repairing their devices if companies don't pull an "Apple" like here.
I kept an old Sony laptop going for almost 10 years by incrementally upgrading it. More RAM, swapping the HDD for an SSD, even upgrading the wifi chip which was socketed. Not possible with this Apple crap so it's a no from me.
@@DanielHarrisCodes Well - it depends - sub notes - yes, most of these aren't upgradeable these days - but if one can check before buying a new Laptop, you will find Laptops in the 15" and above categories that are well upgradeable with SSD, RAM and WiFi - in some rare cases even the GPU is swappable - but that doesn’t make sense most of the time as these modules are priced horrendously. …and All-in-Ones are IMHO a big No-No anyway - whilst some of them are in fact upgradeable.
@first last It would be great if they went back to letting you just add RAM in laptops and ultrabooks I agree. Suppose one thing to think about with the Apple is how they retain value, a Macbook might still fetch £400-£500 (My 2012 MBPr did in 2021) for example. I only upgraded it because the M1 MBA was on offer, I just use it for building apps (nothing that requires a beefy Mac - But if I didn't need a Mac to publish to their store I wouldn't really need one at all)
Have a MacBook pro 2010 13 inch. Upgraded RAM and SSD. Still running Office programs nicely for my wife. Like the keyboard more than the one from my 2017 MacBook Pro.
Same, but the overwhelming majority of consumers doesn't want to do that, or can't. So they buy new. That's why an open market and doing research is so important for consumers.
Apple has no backbone. The EU has absolutely no business interfering with an American company's business. If Apple wasn't run by diversity hires, and they had some balls, they'd tell the EU to go effoff. Apple is a bigger corporation than the entirety of most European countries. Apple is trash, but not as trash as the EU.
We know US regulators won't. It's "funny" how we can just assume that the US legislation process is hopelessly corrupt and skewed towards anti-consumerism, and nobody will argue otherwise. Everyone will just instead say, "I hope the EU saves us."
Technically, it's illegal in France already to have stuff like this. But it should be a european law in general as well, I agree. And although I'd love it to also be a thing in the US... we all know they aren't gonna push that.
Then Apple will solder them on the board instead. I don’t think something like that is forbidden by law, so you would have to buy a complete new Logic-Board. And if that is forbidden, Apple could integrate it completely in the soc.
I feel the title of this video so much. I loved my mac all in one system as a studio computer when doing digital art in college, i still think about buying a nice mac to use as a studio workstation for art and music, but I hate how consumer unfriendly their products are. I do IT and if I have the knowledge to fix or upgrade something myself, I want to do it MYSELF. Their proprietary products are so impractical and you have to jump through hoops or buy more of their product just to even make the most of it or even in some cases, fix it. And with a lot of their computer products, you cant just upgrade it with a few parts, you have to buy an entire new product that will just be outdated a year or 2 later or sometimes, in a matter of months. I know it's just a another way for them to make money but as big of a company as they are, they don't need to nickel and dime the consumer like that. It is pure greed. They know how to make a good product but choose to limit it because they wanna milk the consumer as much as possible.
I agree with you but the feeling of a product being outdated just after a few years is more likely to be something that happens with Intel and Android devices, that refresh their lineups constantly every 6 months/1 year or so
I went into an Apple store out of pure curiosity having never been in one before. It looked okay at first. Mostly tables of sparsely populated thin & lights, tablets, smartphones. What drew my attention was this model. I got to talking with one of their sales reps who told me there was no way for an owner or an Apple repair tech to open it up after it had been bought. That I had to choose exactly the amount of RAM and storage ahead of time because it is soldered shut after being populated. No way to add upgrades, no way to fix something when it eventually will break, you're stuck with whatever you buy starting at two grand! He had a hard time telling me that too because he knew it was a total bullshit flawed design. I let him know that on the Windows PC side of things we can buy lower end machines to upgrade over time as we desire. So I looked around the room and instantly saw a new angle from Apple. Selling high cost junk to devotees who will never leave them for better technology. After that I just walked out of the store with no reason to ever investigate Apple PCs again.
Damn. I would've replied, "So the engineers who designed this weren't smart enough to even make it repairable by their own company techs? Even companies who make Windows machines are capable of designing theirs to do that, and for much less. That's sad"
I warn people all the time, Apple products are made for people who have no interest in knowing anything about their product. It is designed to be thrown away. I have personally fixed every problem I had with my PC, from viruses to power supply failure. I will never own an Apple product if I can help it.
@@megumin4625 That's the problem. Those engineers were easily smart enough to make the stuff they designed repairable - it was decided, however, that they should *_not_* do that. The designs requested of them however, were carefully built the idea that they *_not_* be repairable. It was a corporate decision, not engineering failures that made Apple machines the way they are now.
Quite an accurate summary, Apple are scum, I remember you could boot an apple pc off an external drive in the past even if the internal drive failed and thought that's neat , now if the internal drive fails it's a brick they are literally going backwards.
Apple specifically goes out of its way to stop you from upgrading the "SSD" That is infuriating and totally what I expected of such an anti-consumer company.
I doubt they went out of their way, the system needs to know the layout of the flash. They just dont provide the most basic configuration tools (ie the BIOS utility built into every PC) to anyone but their service agents.
@@mycosys There is a certified tech that commented further down and he confirmed when you change the configuration of the SSD you needs to re-flashed the SOC. Compare this to any laptop or PC on the planet where you can just throw in the extra SSD stick in and the machine and Windows will just see it. This was done on propose.
@@ryant2568 ANY laptop or PC? Are you sure? Not saying Apple are right, just that it happens in the PC world too. At least it does in laptops and all-in-ones (equally as infuriating whether it’s a PC or Mac)
@@DanielHarrisCodes you can just put a ssd that fits in a laptop (or an all in one as you stated) and windows or linux will detect it unless the manufacturer goes out of their way to lock that functionality in the BIOS or the OS but they won't cause it's just a waste of time. you could prove me wrong by giving examples where installing a new SSD is not possible as long as there's space for it
When Apple first announced Apple Silicon, my first thought was that they were doing it to limit their customers ability to upgrade and repair their own devices (or buy the cheaper model and use after market, aka cheaper parts, to upgrade it as needed.). Much like not offering expandable storage in the iphone. By removing the option to upgrade later, you maintain an illusion of choice, but ultimately push more people to overspend becuase you dont know what you may need later on. I think their ultimate play down the road though is to make Mac OS like IOS and force users to install all programs via the app store. This way they can take their 30% cut on products like Adobe Premiere and AutoCad, as well as all the other software. Oh look, you have to pay 30% extra for Office and Adobe but not our own software. Ultimately, controlling the hardware will allow them to close any loopholes that would allow people to bypass this restriction.
Ya it is totally true. It pushes you to overspend. Because if you need more space later that means another $2k instead of just an additional $100. I really miss having a windows laptop. I bought the baseline M1 Air with 512gb and yes, I am feeling the crunch already and wishing I had bought more. Apple is so freaking evil man.
@@theNimboo well if you feel that way, then don't give them your money in future, whether be it Mac or iPhone or watch, etc! Though the only vfm product imo is their base iPad
I am not one for negativity even around corporate products, but geez, I have zero regrets over moving away from Apple. People always said that when I switched to Apple computers I'd never go back to Windows, but here I am! Though actually it was the butterfly keyboards at the time that sealed my decision to buy Acer instead.
I'm not supprised by them doing this, I've always seen them as the king of proprietary hardware and software. I've never really been a fan of Apple, l still have horrible memories of using their original iMacs from the late 90s, some of the worst computers I've ever used. Both the middle school and high school I went to primarily had macs for computers.
The recovery environment used to be stored on a partition of the boot drive. If swapping the flash module makes it unreadable it would make sense the recovery os is gone.... but they could drop a usb stick in there with a recovery os at least.
The worst part about this is that there is almost certainly no hardware difference between the actual SOC chiplet SSD controller between Mac studio versions. Anyone who thinks that the M1 silicon SSD control chip is physically different between SKUs is on some heavy copium. Speaking as someone who works in silicon, I can almost guarantee that the cost to produce different ASIC masks for different Mac Studio capacity SKUs far outweighs the ease of just wounding the SSD controller capacity down via supervisory flash settings or just locking it down in FW. There is no hardware reason the Mac Studio should not be upgradeable. Apple had to actively engineer this problem.
I grew up on Macs. My first computer was a Macintosh II. I went to a school that purely had Macs. I studied graphic design which required using Macs. When I stopped studying I bought a Windows PC and have never looked back. My eyes were opened to the simplicity of swapping parts, upgrading, building my own PC for cheap, etc. Fuck Apple and their stupid anti-consumer bullshit. The fact that they still have a fanbase after all these years just boggles my mind.
yep. same here. school had macs for home and IT. went to windows and boy... there really is no comparison. macs are just not consumer friendly. apple is just greedy. rosman has proven that time and time again.
Discouraging repair by hiding the screws or gluing stuff together might be acceptable, but actively locking hardware so that there is no way to change stuff is basically encouraging e-waste. As Linus said, if Apple does it, everyone does it. Apple caused millions of phones to be thrown away with their gluing idea. I just hope they don't start the same with small rigs now too, which are used by companies and such on mass.
Apple hates the environment. Hopefully we can get the environmental nuts on board with roasting Apple over this. Companies seem to listen and change when they are accused of being against the environment. And everything Apple has done is agasint the environment.
Oh yes, they will. Because they're Apple. They are interested in only one thing: making as much money as possible. F🤬 the environment and the customer. Self-repair? HAHAHA! No.
Yup as much as people hate to hear it. Apple is one of the main drivers in the computer industry. If Apple does something it could potentially shift things for everyone. Apple, AMD, intel, Microsoft, and Nvidia have a lot of power when it comes to trends within the industry.
well the only real reason apple is diong it in the first place is because back in the day when apple computers could be repaired unfortunately got ruined when too many dark net data theft got so bad that a lot of government lawsuits from their data being uploaded from stolen apple computers from the removable drives knida made apple force all newer devices to not allow memory storage repairs or replacements due to the risk of stolen data lawsuits from physical drives data being stolen on the older apple computers ruined everything for apples repair services due to hackers exploiting easy to repair apple computers to steal and make money off of stolen apple computer storage drives! thus apple say F*** it no more reparible drives all the lawsuits got to stop! thus now we are dealing with the fallout ever sence!
@@ashtiboy you have a source for that? because all I can find is apple settling for their employees sharing a customer's explicit photos and a class action about cloud storage. i really struggle to believe that any court would have found them liable for people stealing the computers, because as any IT person knows, physical access is total access and apple can do nothing to prevent nefarious actors from gaining access to data if they have the literal computer.
“Can I put an extra SSD in my Mac Studio?” Apple: “But what about the safety and integrity of your device! We have to do it in house for your security!” “So will you sell me a proprietary SSD?” Apple: “…”
The more of these videos I watch on Apple products the more I see why they are so expensive. It's amazing people pay a company to spend so much in R&D to keep there products from being repaired.
8:25 Yea, but like Apple _calls_ them SSDs on their website 🙄 They're low-key annoying. I know I shouldn't be "promoting" other TH-cam channels, but Luke Miani also did a teardown of the Mac Studio, and had a fit over how the SSDs weren't upgradable, not to mention the SOS thingo.
Apple: "Let's spend our engineering efforts on our packaging and save money on SSD controller and cache chips. People are buying our products for user experience, and unboxing is very important."
Actually yes, the the eco-friendly charger bullshit was a a distraction to save money on crate space (shipping), way more money than the charger value.
Yeah people are like "wow, such nice packaging and the PCBs look nice". That packaging and PCB design cost extra money, meaning they went out of their way to spend money on it instead of things that actually matter. The box is going right in the recycle bin after I open it and they made it so most people will never see the PCB. I would actually prefer if they just used cheap cardboard and charged me 50 cents less.
@@goa141no6 Even more than that, it's not like they lowered their prices despite not offering chargers with their phones. They just created a faux environmental agenda and made their customers pay for the expense. Buying Apple is literally paying to get screwed over, but at least you get a nice unboxing experience lmao.
The last Apple product is owned by my father, a Mini late 2012.. I've changed like 2 SSDs on that thing, added ram.. it's still going well. With all the proprietary/soldered bull*hit, nope, not ever again. Oh wait, it's not even compatible with newer macOS versions, so now it runs Windows 10 perfectly xD
Yep: I dusted off my brother's old mini mac 2011 - upgraded the RAM and SSD drive - and I still use it today. I bought a macBook pro recently and only because its the only laptop that can run all the software I need, but the inability to upgrade the RAM or Drive is a huge shame.
@RogerWilco99 That means you haven't investigated your mom's need enough before buying. Your mom cares the form factor more than you. There are Intel NUC and other similarly small design outside Apple for her to upgrade to.
Usually products are either cheap and disposable, or expensive and repairable. Apple's innovation has been to pioneer the expensive and disposable idea as a good thing. The fact that people keep buying these products, continues to surprise me.
@@iAmTheSquidThing mac os is a mess as well especially now . if you try to use anything that has legacy on mac os you are plagued with issues . windows is the most veristile os you can run legacy software on any pc and it will most likely work you cant do that on mac osx plus windows is usually got browser support for a longer ammount of time
I love Apple and I've been using Mac's since 1984, but you are right. There is no excuse to lock out NVMe SSD upgrades. Especially important in the long run because SSD's are not designed to last forever.
Here's what really frustrates me about Apple. On the one hand - it is abundantly clear that they have AMAZING engineering resources within the company, and they're genuinely pushing the industry in ways that it needs. I use a Mac for work because I don't want the headaches that come with both Windows and Linux. I love macOS as an operating system, and there's a reasonable argument to be made that they've achieved the high level of interoperability and ease of use because of how vertically integrated everything is. On the other hand - they've clearly made the decision that they, and ONLY they, should have full control over the machines they produce. I have been repairing my own devices since I was a teenager, and there's no valid reason to do what they've done. I could understand them saying "We won't support components or peripherals not made and vetted by us" in pursuit of that seamlessness, but to go so far as to actively prevent it - even if that what's the customer wants - is blatantly anti-consumer. I'm stuck between a bit of a rock and a hard place here: I love macOS, but I don't like Apple's company values. I love Linux for development and tinkering and it's community, but it's not always well suited to do all of the things I want to do without a number of workarounds and headaches (and I daily drove Linux as a developer for years and still use it for my personal gaming rig). I find Windows to be a headache, and I really don't like the ways they're moving the OS into an advertising platform that you get the privilege to pay for. So where does that leave people like me? I'm happy to pay for good engineering (both hardware and software), and I want it to have a reasonable level of support behind it, but I also want to truly own my own devices. In the current market, that's not really an option anymore.
All Apple's designs could easily be done by any other company if they weren't following the industry standard. Apple does whatever it wants even if it's not compatible with it's _OWN_ previous products. It's not innovative, it's anti-consumer. Other companies just don't have the cult following to get away with what Apple does, especially at Apple prices.
@@zodwraith5745 I don't know that I would agree with the statement that anyone else could do what Apple is doing. The fact that they decided to create their own Silicon and it's outperforming or trading blows with competitors who are drawing significantly more power is a testament to that. They've also just launched the first consumer chip that combines two separate GPU dyes, and people have been chasing that for decades. They also created the modern smartphone ecosystem, and are consistently putting out devices that are top of the line. You don't do that without having some real talent, and that's worth recognizing. The fact that they have *broadly* put out well designed, functional products that outlast their competitors is why they've developed the following they have. They've spent the past 20 years building their brand and it shows. Compare them to Samsung, who's been trying to follow their example for the past 15 or so years, and it's clear this isn't something that just anyone could do.
I’m not a very huge fan of apples operating systems, it just feels like they lock everything down so much you’re so much limited in what you can do. Makes the operating system easy to use but if you’re used to other features it can drive you a bit nuts. They’ve been making confusing calls lately somethings are a great deal now but then they’re still doing random stuff like the subject of this video.
@@johngraham8278 Intel has better engineers than Apple. Easily. Apple is on TSMC's bleeding edge nodes cause they charge their customers a premium so they damn well better be efficient. Intel engineers wrung enough performance out of 14nm to outpace Zen2 on 7nm, then _still_ beat the all mighty M1 and Zen3 with 10nm. That's impressive. And that's without dumping x86 compatibility like Apple did. If Intel can catch back up on the fab side they'll easily hold a strong lead again. Multi die isn't new. Apple is just the only one that can get away with using their iron fist to force everyone to adapt and actually support it cause it's their ball and their game. If that happened in the x86 space? Well, we all know SLI and Xfire worked fine when actually supported, but it was a developer afterthought at best. Putting 2 dies together isn't genius, AMD's had infinity fabric for years now. Besides, have you seen the actual performance of that twin-die GPU? Performs like a 3 year old part at insane prices. If you're talking about their aesthetic design I never liked it. That's a matter of taste, not talent. This is where they really shine, though as many people DO like their designs. Unfortunately all the scummy things they do like suing Samesung over a shape, suing Motorola (the inventor of the freaking cell phone?) cause they didn't want to pay fair price for their patents, slowing down old phones, lying about it, then making an excuse after getting busted, and actively engineering unrepairability into all their products makes it _really_ easy to discount anything good that they do. They're definitely competent, but far from the savior you make them out to be.
9:50 the reflash environments unfortunately went away because Apple seemed to be basing them off of their own custom version of the UEFI that Intel chips allowed for. Once they switched to Apple Silicon the UEFI based recovery modes went away.
They certainly could've made something that does the same on iBoot (the UEFI equivalent Apple Silicon uses) if they wanted. Absolutely mind-blowing they didn't.
That definitely seems like a design choice that benefits a chip maker that owns service centers(that just happen to make you walk by all the shiny new/working computers with your broken one) a lot more than one that sells to oems
our church just had an issue with an M1 Mac Mini for our projectors and I had to go through the Hell that is DFU on EASTER SUNDAY. thankfully someone took pity on me and donated enough for me to build a PC to begin our move away from Apple
It's infuriating that people still support this evil, anti-consumer, designer electronics company. They do this shit constantly. I haven't owned an Apple product since the Gen 1 iPod video (~2005), and I will never buy another product from them again.
I mean I kinda agree with you but apple just makes everything much easier because they have an entire eco system and for me thats worth every penny from having an apple watch to Apple Music everything is just seamless. Everybody has an opinion but I still think what apple does is good for consumers who are really deep into the apple verse.
Apple needs to be taught a lesson and that lesson needs to be taught soon !!! People need to stop buying demonic Apple products for 1 year or maybe 2. Straight , no macs , iphones , heck , no adapters nothing!!!! i have a Macbook Pro late 2014 since 2015 and i love using logic pro x and final cut But: they soldered the SSD onto the motherboard ever since 2016. I recently went to an apple certified repair shop and asked them : what if i get a m1pro macbook pro and as soon as the warranty expires , the ssd fails me . How do u go about repairing it ? They said it ll cost me a hefty sum cause they replace the whole board . I was like WhAT ? Like dayum , replace 5-6-7 parts just cause one don’t work , there ain’t nuthin logical about that . Another point is : on windows : 1tb ssd --> roughly 110$/€ . 2 tb --> roughly 2x 110 $/€ . @demonic-apple --> 2tb costs 800$ …?!?! What ? And you can t even replace it . I have a dream : :” that for 1 year straight up nobody buys any apple products , not even an adapter . Let s see those execs shit their pants and start asking questions like : oh my … what are we doing wrong ? To me they seem like money hungry apes that can not quench their thirst for money . It walks along the lines of unethical . There s isn’t even any real advantage to having the ssd soldered. I ve heard people say that it s faster . No it s not . We have the internet . Anybody can check the numbers and the speeds of different ssd s out there. Oh and just to put the cherry on top : iphone 13 : amazing processor and hardware but it s rocking the lightning port 🤣 usb 2.0 speeds . Apple 🍎 i really hope u get yours and the EU puts you in place with regulations on ports and on right to repair . They got hundreds of billions offshore like liquidities …. This got outta pocket a long time ago … out of their consumers pockets to be exact. They answer to no one and lack moral discernment . Take care y’all 😃🙏🏻🤗. But the processors are amazing and I respect the integration of the cpu and gpu and RAM 🐏 . Cause that actually wields a big boost in performance. I hope somebody serves them good .. money hungry apes 🦧
Long as I can remember they do this shit constantly. The crap I had to go though in the early 90's getting apple computers to work with anything not apple turned me off on ever buying anything from them...ever.
@@nathanbrooks6089 They could have an entire seamless eco system AND still be repairable. The fact that you can't over any circumstances swap your own storage is bullshit. And that is just another drop in the ocean. They sell so many iphones that making it impossible to source extra parts for it should be illegal. I don't even mean to say that there should be laws telling companies to make their products easier to repair, but there should be laws about making it harder for no extra benefit, like here with the mac pro.
This has been Apple's MO since I was in high school decades ago. Unfortunately a lot of companies in the PC space like HP followed suit and started releasing machines packed full of proprietary parts.
That's why I never buy any pre-built PCs (apart from laptops) and build my own. Besides who wants to pay more for less anyways. My 11 years old PC is still upgradable (SSDs, new graphics cards still compatible with that old Z77 architecture)
I'm on a 2014 MSI gaming laptop that I got for cheap. It came with in i7, 8GB RAM, Nvidia 840m a hard drive, and a DVD. I upgraded the RAM to 16GB and swapped the HDD and DVD to 256GB SSD and 1TB SSD. The purpose for it was mainly to record music (Pro Tools), some video editing, and casual gaming just because it can. I felt like I got a pretty capable system (at the time) for a low price and partly because I was able to upgrade it myself. The cooling fan started sounding like a chainsaw after a while, so I was able to swap that out easily as well. The battery failed, so I got a new battery. The thing is still working fine. That being said, it's 2022 now and there are things I don't like about it. Using a USB 3 hub is not the business. There are a couple of things that randomly need to be un-plugged and plugged back in to work. The system is also a small loud space heater. I'm also at a place where I'm tired of troubleshooting things at random when they were working the last time I touched them and I've done nothing myself to break them. Such is the life of a Windows/Android user. I'm considering a refresh in the next year and have been strongly considering switching to the Apple ecosystem (Mac, iPhone, Apple Watch) for the "it just works" factor. Superior power and thermal management is also appealing. I live in Phoenix and I don't need a heater in a 10x10 room. Issues like this, though... This is what makes me stop and think again. I could justify some extra money over many years for a better experience, but I am not in a mood to pay people extra just because f*** you. I'm also not a fan of their attitude toward consumers in general. I've been thinking quite a bit about a Mac Book Air or 14" Pro, then switching from Pixel to iPhone, Samsung Watch to Apple, but then I see this. Then I remember they have a damn thunderbolt cable on their website for $130. That makes me want to boycott them for life, but then I remember that the anti-consumer stuff that they do affects the other products. My Pixel 6 didn't come with a charger or headphone jack. YAY! Value! I haven't been able to swap batteries (without getting wild with a heat source and destroying a screen) for several years now. My wife is on her second expensive Surface laptop now and they are just as bad. I tried to swap batteries on a Surface Book 2, started cracking the screen, then stopped. A Surface Laptop Studio, which is kind of awesome, has some kind of problem with it already. So... If other products are adopting these same @#$% practices but don't work as well, then where does that leave us? I suppose it's either more low-tech devices that you can open, desktops, or just sucking it up and handing over the money. Videos like this remind me of why I've never adopted Apple's stuff, though. I know they're good at certain things, but they can also burn in hell. It's complicated.
@@Tanfo77 Nope. I have an Asus laptop: 17", Ryzen 7, 1660Ti.... I replaced the fans after 6 months; the laptop has REALLY bad thermal management and suffers from significant thermal throttling (all thanks to a SHARED heat pipe between the GPU and CPU). Asus put together great components, but their thermal management is dog shit. My sister in law has a similar laptop (Asus TUF, 15", Ryzen 5, GTX1650) and its fans went even quicker than mine.
I don't know why do you guys get pissed over the heating issues? You're running a 5 GigaHertz GPU and a 3.4 GigaHertz CPU on a single piece of 14 inch block that is just an inch thicker, which luckily also has dedicated cooling system like fans and liquid coolers. They do manage to take care that your laptops don't get over 70°C or get fried.
Um... I didnt read everything here because I have better things to do like tell you for what i read i can tell its an old pc so yeah there are going to be problems.. Get a new one is a no-brainer yours is 8 years old lol you defintely got your money's worth and plus no Apple computer 8 years old would even be usable much anymore lmao and also you may be able to get away with getting a new pc case, motherboard, and maybe a PSU and just moving everything else to the new tower. Building new computers is fun
I’ve a 2014 MacBook Pro. Works perfectly fine until today. Which I swap for a m1 pro max which I could use for another 7-8 years without visiting the repair or having to upgrade or anything
I’m sure they believe that you don’t actually own their products, that in fact you’re leasing them indefinitely. There’s absolutely no reason that any end user products should require specialized repair that’s at this level of proliferation. I’m amazed Apple hasn’t been sued into oblivion over this. It means they can completely control the pricing for everything, including pricing on repairs because you have to hire someone who’s done their training. Ridiculous
My one adventure with Apple was buying an ipod nano, and finding out that with Apple i had to install itunes to play an mp3 file where every other mp3 player at the time just worked as an usb stick. I returned the ipod nano the day after and never touched an apple product again. Which is actually a shame because they have some fantastic hardware in some of their products, but as a company they're just such douchebags that i just plain out refuse buying from them.
same as me. I always preferred apple products, despite not being able to afford them, because of their reliable hardware but the company just sucks. so. bad. that i hate them now
Not quite. I had a nano third gen (aka fatty). Best device I've had, period. You could do the mp3 file thing with winamp without even need to install itunes. I hated itunes because it was (and still is) WAY TOO SLOW on Windows so looked for a different way and there it was. Still runs great, not using it though, but the thing is 15 years old like new, I wish I could say the same of other brands.
My brother got an IPod video, and I remember the same crap. Everything had to be done through iTunes, and was a pain to go between computers. I got a cheap RCA MP3 player, just drag n drop files. Also, the Apple earbuds were a total disaster, worst sounding I have ever heard. My cheap player had pretty good included earbuds.
This entire video really sheds light and brings forward the terrifying reality of unregulated corporations choosing what they think is "best" for the consumer. The non-removable (very difficult) power cord of the studio display, the complexity to swap the memory modules of the Mac studio, and the idea that you need ANOTHER Mac just to REPAIR THE OS ON THE COMPUTER ITSELF. It's insane to think there is no federal oversight of these insulting practices, all of which should be entirely criminal in any "first world" nation. Hell, in any nation. It should without a doubt be the consumer's right to tinker and repair any part of any device they spend their money on. It is in my home, with my life on it, it's my right. No one is asking Apple to share every top secret detail on the campus, we're just asking to be able to replace a god d*mn SSD. The fact that they can create an OS repair environment one year and then remove it the next is a pure spit in the face to its consumers. It's a spit in the face to any person to have such a vital feature taken away like that. And don't for a second believe that these corporations have it 'too hard" or it's "too expensive" to make these basic features of their products. If every world government right now told every tech giant they had to make their products entire modular, they'd get it done in a week. There is no excuse anymore as to why we shouldn't be able to just buy next year's SOC for my couple year phone, have it put in, and then keep it living another 5 years. We can't replace our batteries, we can't upgrade our SSDs, we can upgrade the SOCs, and for what? All because of "security, simplicity, and linear integration?" I use the world OUR for a reason, because it should be OUR right to choose what we do with these devices. If we can still use milling machines from the 70's, I should still be able to use my phone from 6 years ago. And if I myself can't physically perform these improvements or repairs myself, I should be able to walk into my local town and pay someone who is experienced and professional enough to do so. Parts that should be demanded of every OEM and corporation to provide to these shops.
Corporations selling a product have no obligation to make their products anything but safe. If you don't like how a company is acting, stop buying their products. Apple has been doing this kind of thing for decades and still people line up to buy their products.
I’d rather apple to stay the same tbh. How often do u change the ssd’s anyways? Plus security. stealing an android or windows devices could mean bye bye but with apple it’s a pain to get it to work again
I agree with the comments of you want flexibility go build yourself a computer. Meanwhile these macs are using a fraction of the power at the same speed or faster and are probably suited for servers just for that reason. So yes people will buy them.
@@jimlovesgina you sound like a right coward when you say that. Why not suggest a right to repair act like another country is working towards at this moment? Its not enough to say "stop buying their products". We need to make it illegal, our landfills cannot support this wanton nonsense.
If you think about it, even someone who only owns one Mac isn't in a vacuum. They know other people with Macs. Of all the tools Apple could ask you to use, this one is probably the easiest to guarantee in all circumstances. You might not be able to solve the problem _today,_ but at least you can do it without going to a major city and the Apple store. That's not to say they should be putting up artificial barriers -- merely that turning one Mac into the diagnostic and recovery tool for other Macs is kind of a smart move, really.
This makes me really worried about how Apple will handle the eventual Apple Silicon Mac Pro, especially considering that’s the whole point of the Mac Pro is its expandability.
Yeah it probably should. After their last one I could never even imagine putting effort into getting even a used one. Just too much hassle for such a high end and potentially mission critical product.
I mean, you are just "worried"? Apple has been putting out so much red flags for years now you bet you ass they will do something like this in every new product like they have been for years
"Apple... Why?" Money, Linus. It's always money. I swear if they could make a quick buck selling the tears of un-unionized child workers caught in the suicide prevention nets of their manufacturing plants, they most definitely would.
haha next up: Mac as a "service" lmfao! Pay $300/mo to keep using "their" mac or else the board locks and won't boot. #suckerzzzz $$$$$$$ #udontownshit
Yet another reason why I'll never buy Apple. Recently I just swapped my HDD out for an SSD for my 3 yo dell laptop, and "it just works", no faffing around with ANOTHER Dell laptop or firmware update bullshit. Just cloned the drive plugged it in, changed the drive letter, and was greeted with a buttery smooth experience.
Apple has been making non-upgradebale desktop and laptops for over a decade. The market has spoken. They don’t care. Do people care about upgradeable cellphones? Why aren’t you bitching about that? Maybe Linus should make videos about nonupgradeble cellphones/tablets. Because Apple bad/evil. The market has spoken. People don’t care.
@@VoldoronGaming Except for the M1 Mac which fandroids and windows users haven’t got their minds around who hope someday that Apple collapses… such bitterness of fandroids are unfounded lmao 🤣
@@SLaughterrmuslimswhereveryoufi Yes. As a windows user, I am very sad about the M1. I wish I could have peak performance at 6x the price. Only to be outdone on other parts of a machine that doesn't allow replacements. The horror I've gone through so little money on what I actually need instead of a shiny white box that does the same but requires dongles. I am very bitter and unfounded. Not entirely sure if I care if apple collapses or not. I just wish my clients would stop asking me if they should get apple hardware while the same budget could upgrade server infrastructure and the entire company computers. Probably a little bit left to take a citytrip with everyone too.
well the reason was data from the governments got stolen so many times that apple made the framework engineers to fight and stop that issue by making it impossible for the data to be stolen at all thus no more aplety to repair the computer without apple secure repairs sevasces bescue when government data is considered security take more poyrity then reparability!
I wish they would do the same setup for desktops as well. And make their own Micro systems like apple does but keep to their designs. I can totally see Framework becoming the next (apple) but the way it should of been from the start. I really cant wait for Framework to get ultra cheap in the near future.
The framework approach is definitely a good idea, but we have yet to wait for them to actually release a replacement/upgrade board for it. And I wish they would offer more IO modules. So far it's limited to USB, DisplayPort, microSD and HDMI. I'd love to see a dual USB-A, DVI or RS232 module. With what they have now I'd have to run with dongles just as much as I'd have to on a macbook.
@@killerdeamonking like NUCs? I really want to see more sub 2L PCs like the gigabyte brix. I think a great thing that could be made is a desktop module, that takes a framework motherboard and turns it into a desktop pc, with an optional vesa mount. Also maybe one with a full size (or open back 4x) pcie so you can add a GPU.
In my experience Apple users are so completely brainwashed that no amount of trash talking or pointing out/proving how Apple is ripping them off or overcharging them will convince them to stop purchasing Apple. I used to think it was just because those people had so much money they could afford to throw money away. I've since learned that even people who can't really afford it and still buy it will do whatever it takes to continue buying Apple devices. I've tried convincing family members who are Apple junkies with no success. These are people who bring their devices to me for repair knowing my expertise, knowing they can fully trust me and still they are loyal to Apple. It's so crazy to me!
I have learned so much from your channel. Thank you. Can I share my perspective - we run a small video production company and our two Mac Studios run all day, every day ingesting, transcoding, editing and encoding video. They're beasts and both paid for themselves in the first couple of months. I don't care if they're upgradable - at all. Serviceable yes.
Certified tech here: The SSD can be upgraded but the storage controller firmware in the SOC has to be reconfigured, this can only be done by booking a repair in apples systems and then entering a diagnostic mode allowing the mac to connect to Apples servers which will remotely install the configuration. And yes, I agree it's dumb.
Edit: Theoretically they could probably enable people to do this at home since the entire update process is cloud based and only requires the user to enter the serial numbers of the new chips into their system. It works the same way for iphones, and they're going to enable self repair for those. Will they? Probably not.
I'm guessing this is because (due to the controller being in the SOC) the wear-leveling information, etc has to be reset. I wonder if there is some kind of pairing going on as well between SOC and flash.
@@disoriented3971 Sure there's reconfiguration; wear metadata, rewriting keys, and so on, but why does Apple need its servers involved, and why does it work fine when you replace one of the same size?
Amazing, so everything has to be cloud based now, even a firmware restore. For your own safety and security I'm sure, definitely not so that the machine is tied to a UUID tied to you so that everything you do can be tracked and sold by Apple... Same reason they blocked Facebook from tracking you on the iPhone.
@@Gregb05 my guess is they are trying to prevent their config software from getting out into the wild to stop companies like OWC from making 3rd party replacements…..
@@disoriented3971it's because Apple is a shit company.
The Mac Studio was such an opportunity for them to finally become repairable and modular.
They made the devices harder to repair on purpose, they were not constrained by thinness or performance issues. They just wanted the computer to be unrepairable.
Repairable = more money for them cuz you have to buy another one or pay a ridiculous amount of money for a sketchy repair
hold on! what's not repairable, the PSU is modular, and so is the flash storage? You can replace the storage with the same sized component, you just can't upgrade it. The RAM is part of the SOC and can't be made modular, and designing a socket for the SOC doesn't seem worth the expense. Not sure what else you were hoping for. It's plenty repairable.
Don't forget, their product announcement kept pushing how "modular" the Studio is. So not only is the product an antithesis to their previous repairability articles, they're misguiding consumers as well by misusing technical terms. Talk about false advertising, Apple style.
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@@stevengoetz6773 Found one. 😏
Someone definitely got fired for not locking out power supply swaps.
Nope, already got fired for making the power cable removable
@@knightsljx Is this the same guy who was fired for the iMac Pro's memory not being soldered on?
@@OffitInfinity exactly
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Is it the same guy that glued the digitizer chip on the iPhone 6 max along with bend gate
Apple: We didn't include power bricks cuz enviornment.
Also Apple: Oh your SSD died? looks like you need a whole new Mac
big companies or organizations only care about the enviorement if it benefits them
@@SmileFile_exe that's not even caring about the environment, that's just pretending to care while deliberately making things worse.
@@DanielFerreira-ez8qd hey i got idea to make every part in mac (including box, charger, walk to the store or even button) need subscription. So good for environment isn't?
nope, you just need new NAND modules...
@@SmileFile_exe Some of them are actively dumping barrels of toxic waste into endangered wetlands. Not everybody is doing that.
If you're buying Apple you're literally contributing to destruction of the environment and child slave labour.
5:20 I thought it was better if the power lines connect before data lines, no? For ESD purposes, data lines are weaker, so I would prefer power lines to connect and discharge ESD before data lines connect. But you may prefer to live more dangerously!
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I agree with u Medhi but the rest of the producers don't follow it so they swapped it with the safety concern as u mentioned cause even if the repairilbility plan back fired they would have a safety sheild guarding their asses 😂 this is business boisss
they aren't as smart as you mr Mehdi man
Linus: you can switch the power supply
Apple: we have made a huge mistake and our customers are in grave danger
_Half expecting them to introduce a new feature where the product bricks itself the moment you open it_ 🙄
@@hycron1234 don't give them any ideas....
apple talking with news interviewrs:
Our technicians have thoroughly .. this computer is very.. er yes it will not be possible to change the power supply on future mac os updates. And well security reasons... da yah the-uh system will not allow because ah- well we want to ensure da utmost security and performance for our users and ah- ah being able to change the power means .. is no good.
Honestly apple just do better, there's no reason to lock down your tech except to give your repair shops more revenue - and apple fanboys can at least see this much
In b4 Apple explains how dangerous it is that a PSU can be replaced by a user while completely ignoring that ATX PSUs are a thing.
not that they really care xd
I think the Apple cardboard engineers may be the best and most elite type of engineers they have. Just making it neat, practical, robust and eco friendly, no manpower wasted on actively making it worse.
Please don't give them any ideas...
@@tHaH4x0r for what? Letting the cardboard engineers make the mac itsself? Don’t see where that could go wrong :Kappa:
The manpower isn't "wasted." Unrepairable Macs sold to naive and ignorant consumers = massive profit. They can use their cheap ass Chinese slave labour to do the Louis Rossman stuff with access to all the original parts they could ever want or need and resell the fixed machines as 'new' OR make the entire process such a hassle that their more wealthy consumer base just says 'fuck it give me another one.' Full price.
@@samapico Please stop providing nightmare fuel.
The one division we should respect
I used to work at Apple as a hardware technician and I can't even begin to express how infuriating it was that I always had to use special software developed for internal use ONLY to solve issues like these. All their devices can theoretically be modified and repaired as you would normally expect, but they've made sure to lock everything so you NEED to use their own software and programs to make it work...
It would've been really cool if you leaked the software
@@andrewk8636 they d kill his family for that 😭😭😭
Using proprietary software to do maintenance tasks is not the end of the world, the problem is that are not available to general public. This is clearly a violation to the right to repair
A Similar experience like yours here.
@@andrewk8636 it's easy to say "would be cool if you leak it" but the reality is if the source of the leak was identified, the leaker's career would be _fucked._ And you can bet that the leak would be identified because Apple had eyes on every pins of their microchips. yeah it would be cool while it lasted but it was a risk to someone's livelihood, risk that low-level technicians can't often afford.
We have reached the times when consoles have become more upgradeable than Macs.
like the ps5 where a Blu-ray costs you 100 more?
@@mrld3005 Well, I really don't side with Sony but I looked rn and BD drive with 4k capability does cost cca 100$ alone...
@@mrld3005 Well, I don't think it's exactly the same. PS5's are subsidized to be sold nearly at cost (at launch anyway...). You could easily argue that the drive-less model is actually FURTHER DISCOUNTED rather than the drive model being an 'extra' $100.
Subsidized means the hardware is very cost efficient for the amount of power you get for running games because they are not trying to profit on their console hardware itself, sometimes even selling at a loss. There is a very good reason it makes financial sense for Sony to subsidize their hardware (to build a user base, and profit on the games and other).
The further discounting of the drive-less model makes a lot of strategic sense because now they have a model with a notably ($100) lower price than their "full" model with the drive. The drive-less model forces consumers to buy digital content and games, which are more profitable for Sony and are not re-saleable as used copies. There is no packaging, middle men, and minimal distribution (only server and bandwidth costs, which DEFINITELY are cheaper than the overhead of selling physical copies).
You could compare this to an imaginary scenario where oil companies sold 2 models of cars. One costs less, but uses more gasoline. They can sell the car cheaper and make up the cost with selling them gas.
A console is primarily purchased to play games on, and without a drive, you MUST buy the more profitable digital versions of the game.
@@mrld3005 on a mac that option will be 1000
@@mrld3005 Or A Steam deck that doesn't care if it now has a 2TB SSD (which is never sold out of the box from Valve)
I wonder if, by the time the repairability, upgradability, or serviceability of almost all modern devices is revealed to be zero to a majority of the population, it will be too late to do anything about it.
it already is too late. just dont use macos, build your own systems and slap linux/windows on it.
I mean there are already competitors going out of their way to market for repairability and long term functionality. Fair phone, framework laptop, librem phone, etc. It's just a matter of getting consumers to actually value those features over flagship ones. (and I mean, they are staying in business now, so unless the market that goes out of their way to buy more repairable devices somehow shrinks, they aren't going under)
@@robonator2945 one other problem is that the people who are into repairability are not the norm, so market is limited, and the "raparability" companies will have to do a fine balance between the price of device, the price of parts and the durability of their stuff to not extinct their own market by selling hardware that remove customers from the market instead of locking them in like the others
@@robonator2945 I REALLY hope that the general public starts to the the appeal of it and the market grows big enough for it to not be a concern tho
@@0b4y3mi You're right that it's not the norm, but the fact is I don't see how the current market niche will shrink. Companies like the ones I listed are factually profitable targeting a market niche that is unlikely to shrink, by that measure it's highly unlikely it will ever be "too late". The key is consumer education and EXPANDING the niche that cares about that sort of thing. Even regulation will inevitably just be bypassed through loopholes or whatnot, but if consumers simply don't buy non-repairable or non-consumer friendly products there isn't really a loophole in that so long as at least a few big groups are dedicated to educating consumers.
Linus: "Confirmed. You CAN switch power supplies!"
Apple: "Thanks Linus, chipping PSUs is a great idea! We haven't thought about that!"
They will totally do this, I mean, they put chips in their freaking lightning cables FFS
@@BlazerRox iirc most usb c cables are also chipped
lol they already do this with their iPhones:
chargers, charging cables and batteries have chips in them that prevent you from replacing them with non-Apple ones or prevent you from using 3rd party chargers/cables without some major drawbacks.
@@wibs0n68 Not to determine validity though...
@@BlazerRox maybe read about "load switches" first before complaining. It's a pretty neat way to protect sensitive circuits and I'm shocked to this day that barely anyone emphasizes them as much as Apple.
Love how I can easily add several 2 TB SATA SSDs to my 11 year old ASUS 6PTE mobo, but would be stuck with a meager 512 GB with this state of the art compact computer. Absolutely ridiculous.
and the 2tb ssd costs less than the difference in price between the 0.5tb and 1tb mac. And the biggest spit in the face is how those arent even whole different SSDs in there but merely just flash modules soldered to a pcb. The production cost of one of them can not exceed 5 or 10 bucks
Dont you think they planned a decade ahead to push people into cloud? :-D That's why they are doing this.
State of the Art?
@@zoltanberkes8559 State of the art of ripping us off.
They made such an effort to make it unrepairable.
And unupgradable and expensive
@@danielwalls5150 Looks like your SSD is faulty, we will have to replace the mainboard.
Welcome to monopoly.
@@Kardall hey I've seen this one, I've seen this one, it's a classic.
I'm waiting for my check in the mail from LMG for increasing their viewer engagement 😃
Honestly, when thinking about the environment alone, this kind of anti-consumer practice should actually be *ILLEGAL.*
Repairing and maintaining products is *crucial* to reducing waste and pollution!
Preach
I am hoping that the OP actually lives their life in a way that reduces their environmental impact and does whatever they can to reduce waste and pollution..
Often It’s just a stupid but not inaccurate talking point thrown out by people who do nothing in their own lives to reduce their environmental impact and are just using this to rant against their most hated enemy, Apple. Most viewers on here buy products that are far worse for the environment and use them in ways that have little productive value.
@@robertt9342 his point is that apple is always trying to be sustainable but isn't in this case. It's a moot point if the consumer/commenter is or not - the point is apple continues to "try" to be (i.e. cardboard boxes, charging brick, etc), but still does this shit
Don't confuse the Apple narrative with truth or common sense.
@@cholesterol6703 if that is in response to what I said I'm not quite sure what you mean
Linus: "There's no way Apple would do something this anti consumer would they?"
Apple: "We can, We do, We will"
"We must"
@@hotaru25189 I don't think apple think of there customer as customer, but members some sore of cult, with religious over tones
Apple: "Are YOU Sure About That!"
BS! lol
Ever since that stupid cable being attached to the studio display there little I don’t think Apple would do any more.
I replaced some flowers that have died in the garden, then the whole house stopped working, the locks, the toilet, the curtains all just froze up. I had to put the dead flowers back in for the house to work again. I now have the option to replace the flowers for $1,000 each by the builders or leave them alone.
This made me laugh out loud. Thank you!
This is why right to repair is a necessary factor to prevent corporates from harassing the consumers. Even Steve Wozniak said that having the ability to repair products is what truly makes sustainability more of a practical approach. We need more consumer protective laws and ensure both the parties concerned come into a conclusion in this matter.
True, its just Cook being evil. If Jobs was alive he would never do that.
I Have never own a Apple product. I recon I will not own one before I can tinker and upgrade my own property. The computer last longer when I can do that. Same goes for smart phones. I Love Apple for design and apps. But I am locked and have a feeling that I do not own my bought product.
Why do we need laws, though? It's easy to find out how serviceable a product is before buying it. If it's important to consumers, companies will take notice or they will lose to competition that does. If it's not important to consumers, why force it through laws?
This repair stuff is bs, apple products are built with quality, a mac literally lasts forever and if you are that scared of a cube breaking then get apple care cover..., changing the ssd on a mac is dumb, if youre spending 2k on 512gb then im pretty sure these people can afford 2.2-2.6k for 2tb; it's all about choosing the right option not tampering with the internals and inserting lower quality ssds/iems
This is not really a r2r issue though.
Which is why someone like Louis Rossmann doesn't see a big problem with it.
I don't think it's good, in fact when you look under Louis' video you might find my comment poiting out that this is still anti customer and specifically to prevent upgrades.
Imagine if a construction company who built apple's building made proprietary outlets, door locks, and light bulbs, etc. Then when ever apple need to plug in something, make keys for doors, or change a light bulb they have to pay the construction company to send in a tech to do those thing for them....because apple logic.
Sell them a overpriced dongle.
This is pretty close to how the government buys contracts and spare equipment. Outlets aren't proprietary but keys for doors/changing light bulbs requires contracted companies to source them.
I would gladly design the new interlocking mechanism for their door, windows, light bulb housing, even the electricity socket
Sounds like the McDonalds Ice cream machines.
and if a door gets stuck shut and becomes a fire safety hazard, they can't just get someone to repair it, they have to pay the construction company smh. imagine a fire happens in the meantime 💀
I worked for AppleCare for a while a few years ago and it's like this for everything- not just the hardware but the internal SOP's are designed to screw you at every opportunity. I'll never forget the call I had with a customer who had spent $1500 on a Certified Preowned (from an authorized vendor) 2018 MacBook Pro for school and ran into the butterfly keyboard issue. Fun fact: anything preowned is marked AS IS in big bold letters on our screen as soon as you pull up the serial. What does AS IS mean in Apple? "Not our problem." Even for confirmed, warranty issues. This series of keyboards was confirmed to have an issue and was advertised ON OUR SITE to be covered for repairs on anything to do with it. This chick had bought a CERTIFIED PREOWNED (for nearly the price of a new one mind you) that had APPLE'S STAMP OF APPROVAL ON IT buuuuuttttt because someone had bought it before her, all warranties were bucked. At that moment, I decided I would never buy an Apple product in my life- they don't care as long as they got their money out of you.
Had she only just bought it? That kinda thing is covered by warranty here in the UK. For 12 months, if I recall correctly.
@@kael13 Sale was in the US, and the previous owner of the device had it for two days, the lady I served had it for a few months, but less than half a year. I escalated it as far as I could and everyone had the same response "It's an as is product, so she'll need to pay $800 to have the warranty issue fixed or buy a new one herself."
It was awful.
@Leah Hensch Respect!
So Certified Preowned just means it was working when they sold it? Sounds about the same as buying from anybody on the street as long as you see it working before you pay. Apple sucks in so many ways.
This story is common with "open box", "refurb", "as-is", "previously owned" electronics from anywhere these days. Apple, Samsung, Amazon, Newegg, etc. At least for normal consumers, anyhow.
Apple in 2004: "Our Imacs only have 3 screws on the back so our computers are easy to open" Now: "Weld it shut or get fired" (they dont weld it but you get my point)
Oh, they will eventually don't worry, it is not a matter of if but when.
Soldered ram.. I think they are doing it
More people need to remember that teams of software and hardware engineers were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to actively make the users' lives worse
@@mr.Drawgo it's an arm device, so it's normal, however they've done to that Intel systems as well years ago
At some point I just expect Apple to weld everything shut and if you try to even open it to upgrade it, they'll send a special task force to shoot on sight
I've long advised that Apple should include a chip that includes a cryptographic key to decrypt the firmware that is erased instantly if the case is opened.
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too expensive for apple, a little c4 device is cheaper😁
My RAM is welded to the MOBO of my Macbook Air.
@@indiansnowleopard Yes, much faster and more reliable than socketed DIMMs and bridge chips.
Apple made some huge mistakes:
1. PSU is swappable.
2. Power cable is removable.
3. PSU is removable - it should be soldered.
4. Power cable does not contain lock-chip and can be swapped.
Chill. They get the idea one day
Hahahaha....yeah people getting fired for it as we speak
5. USB-C cable should be chip locked to special devices
Apple should just make a computer that is an all in one, plug it into the wall, everything else is on board. Including keyboard, mouse, screen, speakers
@@user-sw1wq8lh2w soo, a laptop
Apple: "We support the right to repair"
Also Apple: "It's not like you'll be able to find parts"
what did you try to install, SSD on a cable, what is it?
Why you need Linus? specials?
also apple: only by our own hands and lots of money
@@lucasrem did you miss the part of the video where Apple intentionally made their SSDs incompatible with regular NVME drives simply so they could save a few bucks on the controller? Their goal is literally to upsell you on upgrades they went out of their way to modify so that the consumer could perform themselves, despite literally every other competing product allowing the user to upgrade that part themselves.
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@@lucasrem Quit defending Apples crap kid. Also learn some fucking grammar too. You talk like you're still 9.
FYI… they’re gonna do it even if customers make a stink. As history has proven. I was a Mac Genius for 7 years… you guys are discovering what we in the GR knew about the Fruit Co back in 2006 💚 Pre 2012 was a glorious time for Macs. Expandable RAM & storage, could pull the ODD and add a 2nd SSD… good times. Fast forward 10 years, they’re appliances.
I agree with this. I don't like any Apple product made after 2012. That's when they got really unrepairable.
Fun Fact:
There are debates in the EU to make it mandatory to label a device with Planned Ageing.
Would be awesome. Even for stuff where the customers already know, it’s something different for it to have that label
@J Hemphill I mean the apple software updates, that slow down the device. Not sure how exactly it's called
Wow what a simple motivator. That could work. Like with foods that meet certain standards...
@J Hemphill Oh, I would have loved my samsung galaxy s5 if it had been "sabotaged" by android or new "expensive" features were basically restricted to still support the device the long way. But yeah...still using my Iphone SE and it works great without any lags at all...
@@dennis4985 I tossed my SE in the trash, that phone......garbage. I'm about to toss my 11 pro in the trash too, I've noticed my financial apps are freezing, and It's driving me crazy. My pixel 4 has a faster shutter speed, the battery lasts longer, it does how ever do this strange thing where the screen will back out to the home screen on its own, on apple music.
Apple is making a killing on upgrades. Apple is clearly anti-consumer, however their marketing and brand recognition is so strong, that the very people that they are screwing are defending them like there is no tomorrow. It is just sad.
Yup. There's a name for these people : brand cucks.
They are so under its spell...If Apple put its logo on a pile of shit, its slaves would probably eat it up..,
and enter one of those defenders 😂. Apple has a philosophy. To make great software, you have to make your own hardware. I've always been a PC enthusiast and enjoyed upgrading parts. The problem is that Windows frequently crashed. A lot. Usually driver conflicts from various manufacturers. I now have a Mac Mini M1. Sure I can't rip it open and add a new Wifi card or RAM module...but it's never crashed. Not once in the six months since I've switched. Add that to the fact I really never have to worry about malware or viruses... I'm sold. Maybe it's just something that happens when you get older, but I don't I don't want to rip open computers just to add upgrades that don't work because of driver conflicts anymore. I just want something that works for my needs and so far Mac excells at that. I use to blame Windows, but you can't expect an OS manufacturer to make sure their OS works with every third party peripheral, or expect peripheral manufacturers to ensure their peripherals work with every other peripheral on the market. That's why Apple adopted the philosophy to build their own hardware. Yes, they still use third party suppliers for stuff, but very much under their own quality control. Enjoy your blue screens of death that you get from the freedom to mix and match hardware. The time I save from not dealing with that crap anymore has made my M1 Mac a very worthy investment and I can understand why Mac doesn't want to get the same reputation Windows has by allowing consumers to mix and match hardware willy nilly causing OS crashes.
@@jamesboggs5735 tell me you don't know how to install drivers for hardware without telling me you don't know how to install drivers for hardware
also, your mac can't run most games which is fine if you're not a gamer but as long as gaming exists, windows will still rule.
Mac is like a golden cage. It is nice, but still a cage. No freedom to experiment with.
@@jamesboggs5735 I work on windows. 0 crashes in 3 months. 1 crash in 6 months. I can make my OS to be the way I want. Everything is the way I want. You can't do that on Mac.
Apple: our all cardboard packaging shows how green of a company we are!
Also Apple: throw out your entire $3000 computer when you run out of 512gb storage.
That price is nauseating
The fact that they even sell computers with less than 1tb of storage is hilarious.
What an over simplification this statement is. It's a desktop with multiple Thunderbolt ports so nothing to stop a user adding external drives that will be damn fast. It also has a 10Gb Ethernet port so connect it to a NAS for bulk storage is another possibility. Only and idiot throws out a computer because the HD is full, at worst they sell it.
Your statement is slightly more relevant in relation to RAM though where you don't have an upgrade path but even then, only an idiot would throw it out.
@@jadamsnz Tim Cook alt account spotted.
@@jadamsnz Yes, because the average Apple enjoyer would go out of their way to build their own NAS.
The people that are notorious for prefering ease of use over upgradability and customisation.
Best they'll do is put on some external HDDs/SSDs, but even then the point of this mini pc is to have a small clean pc somewhere nice, not have stuff hooked up to it all the time.
The biggest irony is that the number of people they prevent from doing this is so so small that they likely loose money by even spending the time to develop these protections and in place. Not to mention the customers they might have lost by doing so. They are literally costing themselves money by trying to make more money.
Nah, there is a ton of reasons to do this bullshit.
* An actual economic reason: there is a market of buying and ripping devices for parts to sell them to repair shops. Of course it is cheaper, faster and easier than source them from Apple.
* Stolen devices are especially nice to disassemble and sell as parts. It is an actual problem that apple can solve in this horrible way, but sadly don't. Hackers are always one step ahead.
* Secure boot is a thing and it requires a chain of trust, aka locking EVERYTHING down in a most annoying way, so you can't compromise a computer even with physical access. It includes inability to add something new to it without wiping it.
Honestly, I am really disappointed with Apples limitations. Adding/replacing storage should be a minimum.
I think every computer should have at least one internal port that can be user populated. And M.2 is a good approach for that. It's not only for storage, there are also wifi or bluetooth modules. Just like the old PCMCIA slots on laptops or ISA/PCI/PCIe in desktops.
Especially for the goddamn price
Even laptops are upgradable for memory and storage, even some of em can be swap out the gpu and ports...this freaking metal brick can't do the modularity part even the easiest one
It's not a flaw, it's intentional. That's what makes this a big deal, Apple shouldn't get a pass because of their own weaponized incompetence. The argument that Apple doesn't actually know what they're doing is completely false. They know exactly what they're doing and it won't change unless people make them change it.
I'm not disappointed. Never expect anything and you will never be disappointed. You can never really expect any pro-consumer move from Apple.
These kinds of anti-consumer practices should be called out, loudly, every time.
Just like when Apple's butterfly keyboards required replacing the WHOLE DAMN LAPTOP every time a key got stuck (which was all the time).
@Terry Nelson Agreed - I don't know why we keep talking about apple. All the advice should just be: "don't buy apple, it's bad mmmmkay"
It’s because apple design things with a strong set of user requirements in mind, and unfortunately, repairability is not one of them. If the keyboards are easily swappable it might result in in a bulkier design which is not very appealing.
To be fair, they make up for it with really good service. I rmb swapping batteries for my iPad. Instead of swapping the batteries directly, they replaced the entire iPad. All at the cost of just the battery replacement.
But yeah, I do agree that apple needs to improve repairability. They’re basically creating a repair monopoly.
@Terry Nelson If Macs were bad, sure - but the fact is they're incredibly useful devices with a fantastic ecosystem of support. They seem to be turning a new leaf on hardware, albeit slowly.
@Terry Nelson Main issue that EVERY OTHER brand will do the same and you end up in situation where you buy or go away with nothing at all.
Such things must be regulated by law.
That's because the process is:
"My key is stuck"
"Okay here's a new laptop right now"
"Okay thanks"
Then they fix it and sell it on the refurb store and internally recycle the other parts
This wave of anti-repair, and anti-upgrade changes should be downright illegal. It is so close to extortion in my mind and it honestly makes me want apple to crash and burn.
Easy fix, DON'T BUY APPLE!!! Vote with your cash.
It's not just Apple though, this is slowly creeping into other devices as well.
@@noahd.4551 That's why it is more important than ever that everyone boycott Apple products to let the rest of the industry know that consumers reject this type of draconian behavior.
ikr im almost gonna switch to a google pixel ngl
I mean, Apple has been doing this since day one. Nothing has changed, they have gotten away with the most ridiculous stuff since forever. History keeps repeating itself and people will forget once their new product comes out after a few weeks. Just don't get yourself into their ecosystem and you'll be fine, let other people deal with their bad choices.
I just successfully "swapped" a SSD drive between two Mac studios(4TB vs 8TB). I struggled on the same issue but funny thing it turns out that I just need to change the original disk location and then it works out well(both units restore successfully after the swap). In stead of slot A to A swap, try slot A to Slot B swap.
Could you expand on how you changed the original disk location?
I like how simple things like swapping out an SSD on a c̶o̶m̶p̶u̶t̶e̶r̶ mac has to be a dedicated video.
Thanks Apple, very cool.
Its so ridiculous that he lives in society where he HAS to say he want to love a company wich support forced child labor and year after year are caugh of it.Nothing happens.Consumers are retards so this is what it is.I think Linus is a product of our society, another nerd who has given popularity in exchange of his biggotry.
It's not an SSD. It's just the flash.
@@marcel151 but they also make ssd upgrades impossible... (just not on this specific device, ie their laptops)
A Mac is a computer. An abacus, is a computer. Personal Computer is the IBM trademark.
Is something wrong with my phone or is the text on this comment messed up?
In the rest of the industry, the idea of repairability has always implicitly included the concept of upgradability. Apple's idea of repairability on the other hand has always meant, "can be repaired... by us... when you give us more money". Also Apple's idea of Pro-consumer is, "Make the consumer more of a consumer... by giving us more of their money."
Not even that when you give them money... Like when LTT broke one of the imacs and they refused to fix it, even when offered money.
What if you also try to tinker with your stuff and break it, and apple just refuses to fix it for you and says to buy a new one? I'd bet that already happened to some people.
If that happens i'd buy Samsung's products instead
@@rolerroleris533 to some people? It happens every day.
This happens all the time, Apple either won’t fix it or they will for almost the exact same price the device cost new. You can see this in action by watching a few of Louis Rossmann’s videos.
Yeah, pretty much. In the PC hardware world that shit wouldn't fly for a goddamn second. Why? Because all of the computer hardware is modular. With the rare exception of suuuuper crappy, cheap, enterprise OEM computers, the hardware is all swappable and drivers are freely available from the manufacturers. Even in the case of that bizarre Dell computer with the wonky motherboard with the weird backend that stuck out of the case, you could still remove all of the components, put them onto another brand of motherboard with the same chipset and it'll work. You have to really dig to find a desktop system that is completely non-modular like this Apple Studio is. Hell, I challenge anyone to find a non-Apple desktop computer that won't allow you to swap out the storage drives at the very least.
Tim Apple: We have reduced packaging waste!
Also Tim Apple: ...But we are producing a hell of a lot more e-waste
Paper boxes are cheaper to make so don't be fooled.
@@thioga1 and their boxes are massively heavy compared to competitors... because they use more material.
"Problem with your computer? That's yesterday's problem! The solution is to upgrade** to our BRAND NEW 2023 M2 Mac Studio!"
"**Trade-ins not accepted at this time."
13:35 - In fact, there IS custom logic on the FLASH module.
All these FLASH memory modules are proprietary! Each of them has a proprietary microcontroller that connects it the M-series SOC through a PCIe x1 interface.
it really says something when you can upgrade storage on a console that's locked down to hell but not on an overpriced mac
Sony and Microsoft also tend to list skus of compatible drives, which usually starts with -- what already exists at the time of sale.
The exception of the PS2 was caused by Western Digital moving their power and IDE slots where no one else was using them... SATA standards fixed that issue, and M.2 is now there where there is the SSD standard and the Peripherals standard (because there are M.2 Wifi and Bluetooth cards).
...and remember that Microsoft is more originally a computer tech company... (also Sony MemStick is um... dead... lesson learned. (a second time -- Betamax))
You can’t at the moment with the series X. There is a third party SSD Converter for series X/S but I haven’t seen a video of one of those working.
Sony's Memory Stick Duo was really only meant for the PSP which was done to a similar way to what Apple is doing with their storage, making customers buy shitty low storage cap Cards for stupid prices, that's way it's dead
@@drakethedragon457 no they used those shitty sticks in some of their cameras as well, anything sony had they liked to use their own memory sticks which made life pain
@@drakethedragon457 memory sticks and whatever the vita's storage was called made some sense. still dumb but everyone was super concerned about piracy of digital content. but look where that gets you. it stopped nothing on the psp and part of the reason the vita failed was because of the expensive proprietary storage that still stopped nothing.
Linus: "You CAN switch power supplies!"
Apple: "Lock it, lock it!!"
they're designing a logic chip for their powersupply as of an hour ago lmao
@@killershark90 source?
They finally request the help of the cardboard packaging team , who gently responded '' *fuck you Apple* " 😂
@@Appri "trust me bro"
@@akilreid2235 chill, it was probably a joke
There is a very good reason as to why I never switched to a Mac. This video just hammers the nail into the coffin. I love having control over a product when I buy it and I as consumer should be free to do whatever tf I want with that product.
Custom PC with more power and compatibility for a fraction of a Mac!
@@crowdemon_archives What PC has the same performance for this type of work for a fraction of the cost? Say what you want about the upgradability but its been proven time and time again their computer pricing isnt much higher than comparable PCs
especially when its NUMEROUS grand of a product
@@steezmuffin literally any good pc for that kinda of work. Just research the parts you need and you done.
@@Servidor_Publico_do_Ancapistao No this happens every time you guys just say stuff like that but cant actually post anything that can hit the same benchmarks for that much cheaper.
I really respect Linus for standing for the customer. He stands with Louis efforts with right to repair and recently with the Filmora lifetime upgrades fiasco. Worth letting the ads play completely. 👏
This just makes me have even more respect for Valve and companies like them.
It was so easy to upgrade my 64gb steam deck to 512gb... And cost me much less than the price difference between their own SKUs
Well to be fair the 512GB Steam Deck has other features too!
What drive did you put in? I was under the impression the 64gb wasn’t upgradeable, this is great news!
@@jonatinoo 100% can upgrade the storage quite easily. All sku's have the m.2 slot!
Gigachad Valve : we will support windows 10 or possibly 11 also we collaborate with Microsoft to enables gamepass on your steamdeck.
Valve also isn't a publicly traded company, so they aren't legally required to provide maximum shareholder value at all times.
Man I wish everyone else in other fields can explain things in such a simple effective way while still keeping it very entertaining.
You know what I really appreciate? Linus' ability to show real indignation and rage on our behalf, while still being clear and concise about what makes this kind of engineering a consumer nightmare. The gloves are off.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 True, it's way too often that you find youtube videos on such controversies either end up turning into incoherent rants or become so passive in attitude that you feel like it has nothing to do with you.
This here is a good balance of a cool-headed analysis of the situation with the occasional indignation thrown in at the discovery of unnecessary steps, with a final message summing up everything that we shouldn't accept from such expensive products and why it affects us.
TH-camr "Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics" . One man company. Works out of his garage. Does "House Calls" hundreds of miles away if you pay. Lives in State College, PA. Just did a video where he ended up in Baltimore to fix an electrical starting problem on a crane.
Also, "South Main Auto Repair". Guy owns his own repair shop. General auto repair. But another guy who is a whiz with electronics.
I remember (not that long ago) when Apple's products were among the most elegantly designed, easily repairable, maintainable, upgradeable machines around. I owned many generations of their desktops, all-in-ones, and laptops, repaired several of them myself, and frequently did mid-cycle upgrades of RAM or disk to extend the devices' lifetimes.
My how this company has fallen. I held my nose and bought a MacBook with soldered RAM a few years back, and then had to replace the entire mainboard for almost $700 when a $5 SMC chip on it failed last year. You could make the excuse that this is necessary on a laptop to achieve competitive levels of portability and battery life.
But on a desktop? No. When they started taking active measures to frustrate repairability and upgradeability, I jumped ship. I'm done with them now.
Apple is setting itself up for only the rich consumer who has money to toss around when things break.
I've always been opposed to Apple, even in the pre-OSX days due to how hard it was to use/troubleshoot (why no terminal, come on!). I recently picked up a 2011 Mac Mini for running OpenBSD, and while yes, *technically*, it's upgradeable by the user (RAM and HDD, at least), replacing the hard drives is an absolutely insane amount of work. Nobody should design a machine where the wear parts (hard drives) require the machine to be COMPLETELY TORN DOWN to swap. You're looking at close to an hour of work if you've never done it before to swap both the hard drives in a mini. Absolutely insane.
The original Mac and its successors were not designed even to be _opened._ If you found them "easily repairable" it would be only because entrepreneurs quickly responded with "Mac crackers", so you could get those dammed 5-lobe screws out.
@@-danR Have you never seen a Power Mac G4? An original Mac Pro? Or heck, going way back, even a 9600? Because every single one of those machines was able to be opened completely down to the logic board without the use of a single tool.
I remember the first iMac. I was baffled that Apple had created such an utterly useless thing. Loved the G4, that was a beast, but from there on I was out.
It's baffling to me that people would defend soldered-on or non-replacable SSDs, because of "safety", but would literally go to any cheapest car mechanic to repair the one thing that is likely to do them harm...
Imagine being an Apple engineer... your job is literally taking the best of the new technologies and making it worse for everybody, except their shareholders.
that tells you what kind of a shitty company apple is...
Apples not making anything new
I think it’s got to the point that this is now actively hurting their growth. I would recommend this product MORE if it allowed upgradability. This is geared towards professionals that will be editing raw photo and video data. You can fill a TB in just one day of filming now. Especially at 8k. It’s pretty inexcusable that you cannot upgrade it later as your needs grow.
most of them probably didnt care, after all they got paid a lot
@@ravenwings7945
I don’t know if M1 isn’t revolutionary,, then what is?? Androids new OEMs are revolutionary right??
I left the apple ecosystem completely. Getting out of their "walled garden" was near impossible due to the amount of obstacles they placed on my way out specifically. (I still have family photos held hostage by my iCloud that got locked somehow, and can't be recovered "until I buy another iphone" according to support. False by the way.) And while I am sad to have missed out on some of their cooler advancements, I no longer get screwed over by garbage like this.
In my situation the only winner is me, and Apple has done nothing but pushed me further away as they give the middle finger to Unreal Engine developers, android users, Windows users, and linux users. As someone who falls into these categories, the burnt bridge is irreparable
Same. I think their products are cool, but I left their ecosystem 9 years ago and never looked back. Shit like this only makes me firmer never to go back
4:08 apple’s been doing this for at least ten years. repairing my 2013 27” imac i found out various manufacturers made multiple variations of the psu; liteon and at least samsung iirc. totally different look, built to same spec. this might be why apple was barely affected by covid, but covid isn’t what started apple doing this
After all, that is the reason why AMD is in the x86 CPU market to begin with. IBM wanted a second supplier for the 8088, and AMD got the license.
It's a smart move tbh
I wonder if it's for redundancy in case there's a design flaw found later down the road in a particular design it doesn't affect 100% of product. If you do 50% yield with each company and there's a critical flaw that shows up later and it affects 25% of only one of the vendors (an unlikely scenario by most standards) then you've mitigated a potential disaster.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Oh that’s neat, I had no idea!
@@ppcasm_1278 Also a very good point. But if you keep adding manufacturers, is there not a hypothetical critical threshold where the potential for exponentially multiplied issues directly outweighs the expectation of inherently uniform product reliability? I can see it working fine for two, maybe three manufacturers, but I’m curious how wide that net can be cast before the issues outweigh the benefits of manufacturing that way.
Still a 22 year IT professional proud to have never knowingly given Apple a single dollar of my money. I possess two apple devices, one phone (I think it's a iPhone 10, honestly I'm not sure) owned by my employer that they assigned to me and force me to carry every day, the other an older i-pad (also not sure what model) that was also assigned by same employer that was connected to the cellular network as a tool for us to use for a while that when the company decided to cut cellular costs they cut the cell service and told us to keep the ipad as our own. So I guess I OWN one Apple product, an aged IPad that I literally use as a Wifi connected PDF reader in the garage when I need to reference documents\manuals etc while working on hobby projects. Think I have used the IPad 3 times in the past five years hahaha. Anyway, Apple's philosophy toward their "customers" over twenty years is exactly why I don't see myself ever supporting Apple. For them it's ALWAYS a "money grab" and lock-down routine, just not interested. I guess one day if they make something exponentially excessively insanely cool that I just can't live without that *may* change, but until then I have been more than joyed to not give them my money...
They made the SoC, the mainboard, firmware, OS, and specced out the specific design for the flash modules and then had someone fabricate the hardware the way they wanted. It’s all intentional, and their system isn’t special. They want the repair money-all of it, and they don’t care about doing what’s best for others.
I hate it when companies don’t listen to their consumers. Apple is just being greedy right now. That’s not right. I really want Apple to listen to the consumers, not just for profit.
@@NotThatEpic7492 Apple will only stop doing this bullshit once there is actual competition. Sadly no SOC could match theirs yet. Some of it is probably due to custom designs that make it incompatible with normal SSDs like the integrated controller because the M1 might not use PCIE(just a guess). But there is no reason for them to not have a few resistors that code how much flash they have (to swap the capacity and brand of RAM you have to move around the resistors) or just make firmware accessible to everyone.
@@NotThatEpic7492 It's hard, those consumers are exactly who Apple caters to - people who *want to* be shafted. Not people like you and me. People who specifically like the fact that they can buy an overpriced device as a status symbol, show off their wealth, and have the security that no cheap scrub will be able to buy or repair such a device.
They would never learn how to fix it themselves regardless, and besides; when it breaks they buy a new one, they don't want it repaired.
@@amunak_ kek,alot of Mac users are developers, creators .Cause Mac has made it really easy to do stuff on it
No, they don't want the repair money. Time and time again, they've proven that they want you to buy a new product once your old one fails. If you absolutely want to repair anyhow, it's going to end up costing you almost the same as buying a new product anyhow. A $5 chip broke on the motherboard? Nope, ain't fixing that, you're gonna have to pay $1500 for a new motherboard, or spend $2000 on a new computer. Most people are dumb enough to buy a brand new computer instead. Of course there are repair shops that will fix your motherboard for a lot less, but Apple is doing their best to make sure all important parts are either hardware locked (so you can't swap certain chips from one Iphone to another one for example), or impossible for repair shops to buy, so there'll be no other option than to heavily over-pay for a repair, or buy a new computer/phone/whatever. I don't see how Apple can pretend to care about the enviroment, when they are actively doing everything they can to make sure none of their products are ever repaired, they just have large parts of the product completely replaced, or they just claim it's impossible to fix and even claim that anyone who says that they can do it, are a scam, despite the fact that a lot of the things that are "unrepairable" according to Apple, is still fixable.
Apple are just actively doing their best to increase the amount of e-waste, while proffiting from selling even more products cause people aren't getting them repaired. They're directly profiting from harming the enviroment.
Linus: "Am I not a customer?"
Apple: "Dance monkey dance"
In the 90's, I manages an academic department at a university what had all its faculty computers and lab computer as various Macintosh models. None were uni-box designs and all had easy to open cases (generally just either snap off with plastic clips, or a removable panel and the motherboard could be slid out to access). Both RAM and hard drives were accessible and each to upgrade, and there were a few third party products to upgrade with PowerPC processor boards in the late-90's... which we did for the faculty systems rather than replacing the systems completely. It was easy and we trained student workers to help do the upgrades. Wish Apple went back to that more consumer-friendly sort of design.
i was literally in 6th or 7th grade and took apart my laptops (HP and Dell) without doing any (significant) damage. most people are capable of repairing their devices if companies don't pull an "Apple" like here.
The worst is that they used to be a lot more upgradeable. They used to use standard SATA drives even in laptops!
I didn't know Linus knows my Grandmother.
She knitted me the same cap for Christmas.
Wonder if he got the matching socks.
I kept an old Sony laptop going for almost 10 years by incrementally upgrading it. More RAM, swapping the HDD for an SSD, even upgrading the wifi chip which was socketed. Not possible with this Apple crap so it's a no from me.
Or with most modern PC Laptops or All-in-Ones? I don’t think I can upgrade anything in any of my PC laptops except the M2 SSD in Surface Pro 8 :(
@@DanielHarrisCodes Well - it depends - sub notes - yes, most of these aren't upgradeable these days - but if one can check before buying a new Laptop, you will find Laptops in the 15" and above categories that are well upgradeable with SSD, RAM and WiFi - in some rare cases even the GPU is swappable - but that doesn’t make sense most of the time as these modules are priced horrendously.
…and All-in-Ones are IMHO a big No-No anyway - whilst some of them are in fact upgradeable.
@first last It would be great if they went back to letting you just add RAM in laptops and ultrabooks I agree.
Suppose one thing to think about with the Apple is how they retain value, a Macbook might still fetch £400-£500 (My 2012 MBPr did in 2021) for example.
I only upgraded it because the M1 MBA was on offer, I just use it for building apps (nothing that requires a beefy Mac - But if I didn't need a Mac to publish to their store I wouldn't really need one at all)
Have a MacBook pro 2010 13 inch. Upgraded RAM and SSD. Still running Office programs nicely for my wife. Like the keyboard more than the one from my 2017 MacBook Pro.
Same, but the overwhelming majority of consumers doesn't want to do that, or can't. So they buy new. That's why an open market and doing research is so important for consumers.
I love when Anthony gets excited
I really hope EU regulators will put their focus on stuff like this in future legislation.
Apple has no backbone. The EU has absolutely no business interfering with an American company's business. If Apple wasn't run by diversity hires, and they had some balls, they'd tell the EU to go effoff. Apple is a bigger corporation than the entirety of most European countries. Apple is trash, but not as trash as the EU.
We know US regulators won't. It's "funny" how we can just assume that the US legislation process is hopelessly corrupt and skewed towards anti-consumerism, and nobody will argue otherwise. Everyone will just instead say, "I hope the EU saves us."
Technically, it's illegal in France already to have stuff like this. But it should be a european law in general as well, I agree.
And although I'd love it to also be a thing in the US... we all know they aren't gonna push that.
Then Apple will solder them on the board instead.
I don’t think something like that is forbidden by law, so you would have to buy a complete new Logic-Board.
And if that is forbidden, Apple could integrate it completely in the soc.
@@ezadoo well just got to keep making new laws, until it's completely repairable easily.
I feel the title of this video so much. I loved my mac all in one system as a studio computer when doing digital art in college, i still think about buying a nice mac to use as a studio workstation for art and music, but I hate how consumer unfriendly their products are. I do IT and if I have the knowledge to fix or upgrade something myself, I want to do it MYSELF. Their proprietary products are so impractical and you have to jump through hoops or buy more of their product just to even make the most of it or even in some cases, fix it. And with a lot of their computer products, you cant just upgrade it with a few parts, you have to buy an entire new product that will just be outdated a year or 2 later or sometimes, in a matter of months. I know it's just a another way for them to make money but as big of a company as they are, they don't need to nickel and dime the consumer like that. It is pure greed. They know how to make a good product but choose to limit it because they wanna milk the consumer as much as possible.
That's how they got there in the first place. I don't think complaining now will make them suddenly stop and reflect on their ways...
And that's on capitalism, where money and profit margins are the only things that matter
Just switch to Windows, far superior OS.
@@getsideways7257 but passively aggressively complaining about a comment complaining about their ways will surely make them change.
I agree with you but the feeling of a product being outdated just after a few years is more likely to be something that happens with Intel and Android devices, that refresh their lineups constantly every 6 months/1 year or so
I went into an Apple store out of pure curiosity having never been in one before. It looked okay at first. Mostly tables of sparsely populated thin & lights, tablets, smartphones. What drew my attention was this model. I got to talking with one of their sales reps who told me there was no way for an owner or an Apple repair tech to open it up after it had been bought. That I had to choose exactly the amount of RAM and storage ahead of time because it is soldered shut after being populated. No way to add upgrades, no way to fix something when it eventually will break, you're stuck with whatever you buy starting at two grand!
He had a hard time telling me that too because he knew it was a total bullshit flawed design. I let him know that on the Windows PC side of things we can buy lower end machines to upgrade over time as we desire. So I looked around the room and instantly saw a new angle from Apple. Selling high cost junk to devotees who will never leave them for better technology. After that I just walked out of the store with no reason to ever investigate Apple PCs again.
Damn. I would've replied, "So the engineers who designed this weren't smart enough to even make it repairable by their own company techs? Even companies who make Windows machines are capable of designing theirs to do that, and for much less. That's sad"
I warn people all the time, Apple products are made for people who have no interest in knowing anything about their product. It is designed to be thrown away. I have personally fixed every problem I had with my PC, from viruses to power supply failure. I will never own an Apple product if I can help it.
@@megumin4625
That's the problem. Those engineers were easily smart enough to make the stuff they designed repairable - it was decided, however, that they should *_not_* do that.
The designs requested of them however, were carefully built the idea that they *_not_* be repairable.
It was a corporate decision, not engineering failures that made Apple machines the way they are now.
Quite an accurate summary, Apple are scum, I remember you could boot an apple pc off an external drive in the past even if the internal drive failed and thought that's neat , now if the internal drive fails it's a brick they are literally going backwards.
Not anything is upgradable in a windows notebook. Apple probably got the same inspiration and made nothing upgradable.
I'll be damned. After watching Linus for about 10 years, I think I'm gonna use the sponsor discount :) Give Glasswire a try 👌
4:59 - The very moment Timmay, former PSU security lock chip developer at Apple, lost his job.
so did the poor slob that designed the rubber feet and the guy that didnt epoxy over the screw heads to make removal a destructive task
Haha
Apple specifically goes out of its way to stop you from upgrading the "SSD"
That is infuriating and totally what I expected of such an anti-consumer company.
I know right also your mum
I doubt they went out of their way, the system needs to know the layout of the flash. They just dont provide the most basic configuration tools (ie the BIOS utility built into every PC) to anyone but their service agents.
@@mycosys There is a certified tech that commented further down and he confirmed when you change the configuration of the SSD you needs to re-flashed the SOC.
Compare this to any laptop or PC on the planet where you can just throw in the extra SSD stick in and the machine and Windows will just see it.
This was done on propose.
@@ryant2568 ANY laptop or PC? Are you sure? Not saying Apple are right, just that it happens in the PC world too. At least it does in laptops and all-in-ones (equally as infuriating whether it’s a PC or Mac)
@@DanielHarrisCodes you can just put a ssd that fits in a laptop (or an all in one as you stated) and windows or linux will detect it unless the manufacturer goes out of their way to lock that functionality in the BIOS or the OS but they won't cause it's just a waste of time. you could prove me wrong by giving examples where installing a new SSD is not possible as long as there's space for it
For non-apple-fanpeople, this is pure commedy gold.
For sure, but that quote "As Apple does, so does the rest of the industry." really does resonate with you 😬
Maybe it was years ago when they started down this path, and everyone assumed nobody would put up with it. It's not funny anymore.
Amen brother!!
And here I am with my 5th gen iPod that can be modded to 2 TB with a microSD card adaptor and runs 3rd party firmware.
@@yellowwinner1 usually in smartphone world, i don't think this will be applied in PC
Apple's determination to pull stuff like this is exactly why I don't own Apple anything.
When Apple first announced Apple Silicon, my first thought was that they were doing it to limit their customers ability to upgrade and repair their own devices (or buy the cheaper model and use after market, aka cheaper parts, to upgrade it as needed.). Much like not offering expandable storage in the iphone. By removing the option to upgrade later, you maintain an illusion of choice, but ultimately push more people to overspend becuase you dont know what you may need later on. I think their ultimate play down the road though is to make Mac OS like IOS and force users to install all programs via the app store. This way they can take their 30% cut on products like Adobe Premiere and AutoCad, as well as all the other software. Oh look, you have to pay 30% extra for Office and Adobe but not our own software. Ultimately, controlling the hardware will allow them to close any loopholes that would allow people to bypass this restriction.
Ya it is totally true. It pushes you to overspend. Because if you need more space later that means another $2k instead of just an additional $100. I really miss having a windows laptop. I bought the baseline M1 Air with 512gb and yes, I am feeling the crunch already and wishing I had bought more. Apple is so freaking evil man.
@@theNimboo well if you feel that way, then don't give them your money in future, whether be it Mac or iPhone or watch, etc!
Though the only vfm product imo is their base iPad
good thing the only thing i need is Mojave
apple can go to hell for all i care
I am not one for negativity even around corporate products, but geez, I have zero regrets over moving away from Apple. People always said that when I switched to Apple computers I'd never go back to Windows, but here I am! Though actually it was the butterfly keyboards at the time that sealed my decision to buy Acer instead.
I'm not supprised by them doing this, I've always seen them as the king of proprietary hardware and software.
I've never really been a fan of Apple, l still have horrible memories of using their original iMacs from the late 90s, some of the worst computers I've ever used. Both the middle school and high school I went to primarily had macs for computers.
Thanks Linus. You have just given Apple the idea to software lock their power supplies.
Software locked screwdriver is next!
Having to own a second Mac to fix your first Mac is absolute diabolical genius
The recovery environment used to be stored on a partition of the boot drive. If swapping the flash module makes it unreadable it would make sense the recovery os is gone.... but they could drop a usb stick in there with a recovery os at least.
The worst part about this is that there is almost certainly no hardware difference between the actual SOC chiplet SSD controller between Mac studio versions. Anyone who thinks that the M1 silicon SSD control chip is physically different between SKUs is on some heavy copium. Speaking as someone who works in silicon, I can almost guarantee that the cost to produce different ASIC masks for different Mac Studio capacity SKUs far outweighs the ease of just wounding the SSD controller capacity down via supervisory flash settings or just locking it down in FW. There is no hardware reason the Mac Studio should not be upgradeable. Apple had to actively engineer this problem.
I grew up on Macs. My first computer was a Macintosh II. I went to a school that purely had Macs. I studied graphic design which required using Macs. When I stopped studying I bought a Windows PC and have never looked back. My eyes were opened to the simplicity of swapping parts, upgrading, building my own PC for cheap, etc. Fuck Apple and their stupid anti-consumer bullshit. The fact that they still have a fanbase after all these years just boggles my mind.
yep. same here. school had macs for home and IT. went to windows and boy... there really is no comparison. macs are just not consumer friendly. apple is just greedy. rosman has proven that time and time again.
Discouraging repair by hiding the screws or gluing stuff together might be acceptable, but actively locking hardware so that there is no way to change stuff is basically encouraging e-waste.
As Linus said, if Apple does it, everyone does it. Apple caused millions of phones to be thrown away with their gluing idea. I just hope they don't start the same with small rigs now too, which are used by companies and such on mass.
Apple hates the environment. Hopefully we can get the environmental nuts on board with roasting Apple over this. Companies seem to listen and change when they are accused of being against the environment. And everything Apple has done is agasint the environment.
Oh yes, they will. Because they're Apple. They are interested in only one thing: making as much money as possible. F🤬 the environment and the customer. Self-repair? HAHAHA! No.
Yup as much as people hate to hear it. Apple is one of the main drivers in the computer industry. If Apple does something it could potentially shift things for everyone. Apple, AMD, intel, Microsoft, and Nvidia have a lot of power when it comes to trends within the industry.
well the only real reason apple is diong it in the first place is because back in the day when apple computers could be repaired unfortunately got ruined when too many dark net data theft got so bad that a lot of government lawsuits from their data being uploaded from stolen apple computers from the removable drives knida made apple force all newer devices to not allow memory storage repairs or replacements due to the risk of stolen data lawsuits from physical drives data being stolen on the older apple computers ruined everything for apples repair services due to hackers exploiting easy to repair apple computers to steal and make money off of stolen apple computer storage drives! thus apple say F*** it no more reparible drives all the lawsuits got to stop! thus now we are dealing with the fallout ever sence!
@@ashtiboy you have a source for that? because all I can find is apple settling for their employees sharing a customer's explicit photos and a class action about cloud storage. i really struggle to believe that any court would have found them liable for people stealing the computers, because as any IT person knows, physical access is total access and apple can do nothing to prevent nefarious actors from gaining access to data if they have the literal computer.
Not the biggest LTS fan but I realize no matter who you are, I will never tire of people illustrating Apple's failures.
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“Can I put an extra SSD in my Mac Studio?”
Apple: “But what about the safety and integrity of your device! We have to do it in house for your security!”
“So will you sell me a proprietary SSD?”
Apple: “…”
Of course they will sell you one! It only comes with a whole Mac Studio attached to it.
@@BrainHurricanes I see
@@BrainHurricanes clever upselling
@@BrainHurricanes But to get that whole Mac Studio, you also need to be an Apple certified repair shop.
I smell a loophole :3
The more of these videos I watch on Apple products the more I see why they are so expensive. It's amazing people pay a company to spend so much in R&D to keep there products from being repaired.
Apple: removes charger for env purposes
Apple: makes hardware not upgradable
** removes charger for marketing purposes
8:25 Yea, but like Apple _calls_ them SSDs on their website 🙄
They're low-key annoying. I know I shouldn't be "promoting" other TH-cam channels, but Luke Miani also did a teardown of the Mac Studio, and had a fit over how the SSDs weren't upgradable, not to mention the SOS thingo.
Apple: "Let's spend our engineering efforts on our packaging and save money on SSD controller and cache chips. People are buying our products for user experience, and unboxing is very important."
Actually yes, the the eco-friendly charger bullshit was a a distraction to save money on crate space (shipping), way more money than the charger value.
Yeah people are like "wow, such nice packaging and the PCBs look nice". That packaging and PCB design cost extra money, meaning they went out of their way to spend money on it instead of things that actually matter. The box is going right in the recycle bin after I open it and they made it so most people will never see the PCB. I would actually prefer if they just used cheap cardboard and charged me 50 cents less.
@@rubiconnn It's weird to think of Apple computers not having matte black PCBs, but that's what they want you to think
@@goa141no6 Even more than that, it's not like they lowered their prices despite not offering chargers with their phones. They just created a faux environmental agenda and made their customers pay for the expense. Buying Apple is literally paying to get screwed over, but at least you get a nice unboxing experience lmao.
The last Apple product is owned by my father, a Mini late 2012.. I've changed like 2 SSDs on that thing, added ram.. it's still going well. With all the proprietary/soldered bull*hit, nope, not ever again. Oh wait, it's not even compatible with newer macOS versions, so now it runs Windows 10 perfectly xD
@RogerWilco99 if you're not using it, can I have it?
@RogerWilco99 whats the new pcs specs
Yep: I dusted off my brother's old mini mac 2011 - upgraded the RAM and SSD drive - and I still use it today. I bought a macBook pro recently and only because its the only laptop that can run all the software I need, but the inability to upgrade the RAM or Drive is a huge shame.
macOS, not iOS.
@RogerWilco99 That means you haven't investigated your mom's need enough before buying. Your mom cares the form factor more than you. There are Intel NUC and other similarly small design outside Apple for her to upgrade to.
Usually products are either cheap and disposable, or expensive and repairable. Apple's innovation has been to pioneer the expensive and disposable idea as a good thing.
The fact that people keep buying these products, continues to surprise me.
I would ditch Apple in an instant and start building my own PCs if Windows wasn't still such a mess compared to of Mac OS.
Sorry, how is the most popular OS "a mess?"
@@notsure4539 depends on the use case.
@@iAmTheSquidThing mac os is a mess as well especially now . if you try to use anything that has legacy on mac os you are plagued with issues . windows is the most veristile os you can run legacy software on any pc and it will most likely work you cant do that on mac osx plus windows is usually got browser support for a longer ammount of time
@@notsure4539 bs with Microsoft edge and ads in the start menu to start😫
I love Apple and I've been using Mac's since 1984, but you are right. There is no excuse to lock out NVMe SSD upgrades. Especially important in the long run because SSD's are not designed to last forever.
Here's what really frustrates me about Apple. On the one hand - it is abundantly clear that they have AMAZING engineering resources within the company, and they're genuinely pushing the industry in ways that it needs. I use a Mac for work because I don't want the headaches that come with both Windows and Linux. I love macOS as an operating system, and there's a reasonable argument to be made that they've achieved the high level of interoperability and ease of use because of how vertically integrated everything is.
On the other hand - they've clearly made the decision that they, and ONLY they, should have full control over the machines they produce. I have been repairing my own devices since I was a teenager, and there's no valid reason to do what they've done. I could understand them saying "We won't support components or peripherals not made and vetted by us" in pursuit of that seamlessness, but to go so far as to actively prevent it - even if that what's the customer wants - is blatantly anti-consumer.
I'm stuck between a bit of a rock and a hard place here: I love macOS, but I don't like Apple's company values. I love Linux for development and tinkering and it's community, but it's not always well suited to do all of the things I want to do without a number of workarounds and headaches (and I daily drove Linux as a developer for years and still use it for my personal gaming rig). I find Windows to be a headache, and I really don't like the ways they're moving the OS into an advertising platform that you get the privilege to pay for.
So where does that leave people like me? I'm happy to pay for good engineering (both hardware and software), and I want it to have a reasonable level of support behind it, but I also want to truly own my own devices. In the current market, that's not really an option anymore.
All Apple's designs could easily be done by any other company if they weren't following the industry standard. Apple does whatever it wants even if it's not compatible with it's _OWN_ previous products. It's not innovative, it's anti-consumer. Other companies just don't have the cult following to get away with what Apple does, especially at Apple prices.
@@zodwraith5745 I don't know that I would agree with the statement that anyone else could do what Apple is doing. The fact that they decided to create their own Silicon and it's outperforming or trading blows with competitors who are drawing significantly more power is a testament to that. They've also just launched the first consumer chip that combines two separate GPU dyes, and people have been chasing that for decades. They also created the modern smartphone ecosystem, and are consistently putting out devices that are top of the line. You don't do that without having some real talent, and that's worth recognizing.
The fact that they have *broadly* put out well designed, functional products that outlast their competitors is why they've developed the following they have. They've spent the past 20 years building their brand and it shows. Compare them to Samsung, who's been trying to follow their example for the past 15 or so years, and it's clear this isn't something that just anyone could do.
I’m not a very huge fan of apples operating systems, it just feels like they lock everything down so much you’re so much limited in what you can do. Makes the operating system easy to use but if you’re used to other features it can drive you a bit nuts. They’ve been making confusing calls lately somethings are a great deal now but then they’re still doing random stuff like the subject of this video.
@@johngraham8278 Intel has better engineers than Apple. Easily. Apple is on TSMC's bleeding edge nodes cause they charge their customers a premium so they damn well better be efficient. Intel engineers wrung enough performance out of 14nm to outpace Zen2 on 7nm, then _still_ beat the all mighty M1 and Zen3 with 10nm. That's impressive. And that's without dumping x86 compatibility like Apple did. If Intel can catch back up on the fab side they'll easily hold a strong lead again.
Multi die isn't new. Apple is just the only one that can get away with using their iron fist to force everyone to adapt and actually support it cause it's their ball and their game. If that happened in the x86 space? Well, we all know SLI and Xfire worked fine when actually supported, but it was a developer afterthought at best. Putting 2 dies together isn't genius, AMD's had infinity fabric for years now. Besides, have you seen the actual performance of that twin-die GPU? Performs like a 3 year old part at insane prices.
If you're talking about their aesthetic design I never liked it. That's a matter of taste, not talent. This is where they really shine, though as many people DO like their designs.
Unfortunately all the scummy things they do like suing Samesung over a shape, suing Motorola (the inventor of the freaking cell phone?) cause they didn't want to pay fair price for their patents, slowing down old phones, lying about it, then making an excuse after getting busted, and actively engineering unrepairability into all their products makes it _really_ easy to discount anything good that they do.
They're definitely competent, but far from the savior you make them out to be.
9:50 the reflash environments unfortunately went away because Apple seemed to be basing them off of their own custom version of the UEFI that Intel chips allowed for. Once they switched to Apple Silicon the UEFI based recovery modes went away.
That's kinda idiotic...since they insure you can't fix your OS on a computer you own if it goes haywire...
They certainly could've made something that does the same on iBoot (the UEFI equivalent Apple Silicon uses) if they wanted. Absolutely mind-blowing they didn't.
@@hanro50 it's not about the OS, it's about firmware. If your OS breaks, you can still boot into internet recovery.
@@PvtAnonymous We're talking about the fact that you can't do that on the M1 macs Linus had in the video.
That definitely seems like a design choice that benefits a chip maker that owns service centers(that just happen to make you walk by all the shiny new/working computers with your broken one) a lot more than one that sells to oems
When someone has to question if a USBC cable will work with your device you know you took a wrong turn somewhere.
our church just had an issue with an M1 Mac Mini for our projectors and I had to go through the Hell that is DFU on EASTER SUNDAY. thankfully someone took pity on me and donated enough for me to build a PC to begin our move away from Apple
It's infuriating that people still support this evil, anti-consumer, designer electronics company. They do this shit constantly.
I haven't owned an Apple product since the Gen 1 iPod video (~2005), and I will never buy another product from them again.
I mean I kinda agree with you but apple just makes everything much easier because they have an entire eco system and for me thats worth every penny from having an apple watch to Apple Music everything is just seamless. Everybody has an opinion but I still think what apple does is good for consumers who are really deep into the apple verse.
Apple needs to be taught a lesson and that lesson needs to be taught soon !!!
People need to stop buying demonic Apple products for 1 year or maybe 2. Straight , no macs , iphones , heck , no adapters nothing!!!!
i have a Macbook Pro late 2014 since 2015 and i love using logic pro x and final cut But: they soldered the SSD onto the motherboard ever since 2016. I recently went to an apple certified repair shop and asked them : what if i get a m1pro macbook pro and as soon as the warranty expires , the ssd fails me . How do u go about repairing it ? They said it ll cost me a hefty sum cause they replace the whole board . I was like WhAT ? Like dayum , replace 5-6-7 parts just cause one don’t work , there ain’t nuthin logical about that . Another point is : on windows : 1tb ssd --> roughly 110$/€ . 2 tb --> roughly 2x 110 $/€ . @demonic-apple --> 2tb costs 800$ …?!?! What ? And you can t even replace it . I have a dream : :” that for 1 year straight up nobody buys any apple products , not even an adapter . Let s see those execs shit their pants and start asking questions like : oh my … what are we doing wrong ? To me they seem like money hungry apes that can not quench their thirst for money . It walks along the lines of unethical . There s isn’t even any real advantage to having the ssd soldered. I ve heard people say that it s faster . No it s not . We have the internet . Anybody can check the numbers and the speeds of different ssd s out there. Oh and just to put the cherry on top : iphone 13 : amazing processor and hardware but it s rocking the lightning port 🤣 usb 2.0 speeds . Apple 🍎 i really hope u get yours and the EU puts you in place with regulations on ports and on right to repair . They got hundreds of billions offshore like liquidities …. This got outta pocket a long time ago … out of their consumers pockets to be exact. They answer to no one and lack moral discernment . Take care y’all 😃🙏🏻🤗. But the processors are amazing and I respect the integration of the cpu and gpu and RAM 🐏 . Cause that actually wields a big boost in performance. I hope somebody serves them good .. money hungry apes 🦧
@@nathanbrooks6089 much easier? you must be joking
Long as I can remember they do this shit constantly. The crap I had to go though in the early 90's getting apple computers to work with anything not apple turned me off on ever buying anything from them...ever.
@@nathanbrooks6089 They could have an entire seamless eco system AND still be repairable. The fact that you can't over any circumstances swap your own storage is bullshit. And that is just another drop in the ocean. They sell so many iphones that making it impossible to source extra parts for it should be illegal.
I don't even mean to say that there should be laws telling companies to make their products easier to repair, but there should be laws about making it harder for no extra benefit, like here with the mac pro.
This has been Apple's MO since I was in high school decades ago. Unfortunately a lot of companies in the PC space like HP followed suit and started releasing machines packed full of proprietary parts.
That's why I never buy any pre-built PCs (apart from laptops) and build my own. Besides who wants to pay more for less anyways. My 11 years old PC is still upgradable (SSDs, new graphics cards still compatible with that old Z77 architecture)
I'm on a 2014 MSI gaming laptop that I got for cheap. It came with in i7, 8GB RAM, Nvidia 840m a hard drive, and a DVD. I upgraded the RAM to 16GB and swapped the HDD and DVD to 256GB SSD and 1TB SSD. The purpose for it was mainly to record music (Pro Tools), some video editing, and casual gaming just because it can. I felt like I got a pretty capable system (at the time) for a low price and partly because I was able to upgrade it myself. The cooling fan started sounding like a chainsaw after a while, so I was able to swap that out easily as well. The battery failed, so I got a new battery. The thing is still working fine.
That being said, it's 2022 now and there are things I don't like about it. Using a USB 3 hub is not the business. There are a couple of things that randomly need to be un-plugged and plugged back in to work. The system is also a small loud space heater. I'm also at a place where I'm tired of troubleshooting things at random when they were working the last time I touched them and I've done nothing myself to break them. Such is the life of a Windows/Android user.
I'm considering a refresh in the next year and have been strongly considering switching to the Apple ecosystem (Mac, iPhone, Apple Watch) for the "it just works" factor. Superior power and thermal management is also appealing. I live in Phoenix and I don't need a heater in a 10x10 room. Issues like this, though... This is what makes me stop and think again. I could justify some extra money over many years for a better experience, but I am not in a mood to pay people extra just because f*** you. I'm also not a fan of their attitude toward consumers in general. I've been thinking quite a bit about a Mac Book Air or 14" Pro, then switching from Pixel to iPhone, Samsung Watch to Apple, but then I see this. Then I remember they have a damn thunderbolt cable on their website for $130.
That makes me want to boycott them for life, but then I remember that the anti-consumer stuff that they do affects the other products. My Pixel 6 didn't come with a charger or headphone jack. YAY! Value! I haven't been able to swap batteries (without getting wild with a heat source and destroying a screen) for several years now. My wife is on her second expensive Surface laptop now and they are just as bad. I tried to swap batteries on a Surface Book 2, started cracking the screen, then stopped. A Surface Laptop Studio, which is kind of awesome, has some kind of problem with it already.
So... If other products are adopting these same @#$% practices but don't work as well, then where does that leave us? I suppose it's either more low-tech devices that you can open, desktops, or just sucking it up and handing over the money. Videos like this remind me of why I've never adopted Apple's stuff, though. I know they're good at certain things, but they can also burn in hell. It's complicated.
Get an Asus laptop.
@@Tanfo77 Nope. I have an Asus laptop: 17", Ryzen 7, 1660Ti.... I replaced the fans after 6 months; the laptop has REALLY bad thermal management and suffers from significant thermal throttling (all thanks to a SHARED heat pipe between the GPU and CPU).
Asus put together great components, but their thermal management is dog shit.
My sister in law has a similar laptop (Asus TUF, 15", Ryzen 5, GTX1650) and its fans went even quicker than mine.
I don't know why do you guys get pissed over the heating issues? You're running a 5 GigaHertz GPU and a 3.4 GigaHertz CPU on a single piece of 14 inch block that is just an inch thicker, which luckily also has dedicated cooling system like fans and liquid coolers. They do manage to take care that your laptops don't get over 70°C or get fried.
Um... I didnt read everything here because I have better things to do like tell you for what i read i can tell its an old pc so yeah there are going to be problems.. Get a new one is a no-brainer yours is 8 years old lol you defintely got your money's worth and plus no Apple computer 8 years old would even be usable much anymore lmao and also you may be able to get away with getting a new pc case, motherboard, and maybe a PSU and just moving everything else to the new tower. Building new computers is fun
I’ve a 2014 MacBook Pro. Works perfectly fine until today. Which I swap for a m1 pro max which I could use for another 7-8 years without visiting the repair or having to upgrade or anything
I’m sure they believe that you don’t actually own their products, that in fact you’re leasing them indefinitely. There’s absolutely no reason that any end user products should require specialized repair that’s at this level of proliferation. I’m amazed Apple hasn’t been sued into oblivion over this. It means they can completely control the pricing for everything, including pricing on repairs because you have to hire someone who’s done their training. Ridiculous
(7:51) Linus reminisces about the old days, when "allocating diarrhea" would have been unthinkable. These days diarrhea can be allocated very easily.
Every time I eat chillis I do just that
I just searched the comments looking for another person who misheard it lmao
@@MegaJani the subtitles misheard it too lol
I heard it too, to the point that I was almost expecting the word to randomly pop up in the video the next time Linus said it. Sadly, nope.
My one adventure with Apple was buying an ipod nano, and finding out that with Apple i had to install itunes to play an mp3 file where every other mp3 player at the time just worked as an usb stick. I returned the ipod nano the day after and never touched an apple product again.
Which is actually a shame because they have some fantastic hardware in some of their products, but as a company they're just such douchebags that i just plain out refuse buying from them.
same as me. I always preferred apple products, despite not being able to afford them, because of their reliable hardware but the company just sucks. so. bad. that i hate them now
It’s still the same on a iPhone it’s miserable to put local library’s on the phone without 3rd party software
I've been using Sony Walkman mp3 players for years. I briefly had an iPod Touch in high school, and hated it because of iTunes.
Not quite. I had a nano third gen (aka fatty). Best device I've had, period. You could do the mp3 file thing with winamp without even need to install itunes. I hated itunes because it was (and still is) WAY TOO SLOW on Windows so looked for a different way and there it was. Still runs great, not using it though, but the thing is 15 years old like new, I wish I could say the same of other brands.
My brother got an IPod video, and I remember the same crap. Everything had to be done through iTunes, and was a pain to go between computers. I got a cheap RCA MP3 player, just drag n drop files. Also, the Apple earbuds were a total disaster, worst sounding I have ever heard. My cheap player had pretty good included earbuds.
This entire video really sheds light and brings forward the terrifying reality of unregulated corporations choosing what they think is "best" for the consumer. The non-removable (very difficult) power cord of the studio display, the complexity to swap the memory modules of the Mac studio, and the idea that you need ANOTHER Mac just to REPAIR THE OS ON THE COMPUTER ITSELF. It's insane to think there is no federal oversight of these insulting practices, all of which should be entirely criminal in any "first world" nation. Hell, in any nation. It should without a doubt be the consumer's right to tinker and repair any part of any device they spend their money on. It is in my home, with my life on it, it's my right. No one is asking Apple to share every top secret detail on the campus, we're just asking to be able to replace a god d*mn SSD. The fact that they can create an OS repair environment one year and then remove it the next is a pure spit in the face to its consumers. It's a spit in the face to any person to have such a vital feature taken away like that.
And don't for a second believe that these corporations have it 'too hard" or it's "too expensive" to make these basic features of their products. If every world government right now told every tech giant they had to make their products entire modular, they'd get it done in a week. There is no excuse anymore as to why we shouldn't be able to just buy next year's SOC for my couple year phone, have it put in, and then keep it living another 5 years. We can't replace our batteries, we can't upgrade our SSDs, we can upgrade the SOCs, and for what? All because of "security, simplicity, and linear integration?" I use the world OUR for a reason, because it should be OUR right to choose what we do with these devices. If we can still use milling machines from the 70's, I should still be able to use my phone from 6 years ago. And if I myself can't physically perform these improvements or repairs myself, I should be able to walk into my local town and pay someone who is experienced and professional enough to do so. Parts that should be demanded of every OEM and corporation to provide to these shops.
Corporations selling a product have no obligation to make their products anything but safe. If you don't like how a company is acting, stop buying their products. Apple has been doing this kind of thing for decades and still people line up to buy their products.
I’d rather apple to stay the same tbh. How often do u change the ssd’s anyways? Plus security. stealing an android or windows devices could mean bye bye but with apple it’s a pain to get it to work again
I agree with the comments of you want flexibility go build yourself a computer. Meanwhile these macs are using a fraction of the power at the same speed or faster and are probably suited for servers just for that reason. So yes people will buy them.
@@jimlovesgina you sound like a right coward when you say that. Why not suggest a right to repair act like another country is working towards at this moment? Its not enough to say "stop buying their products". We need to make it illegal, our landfills cannot support this wanton nonsense.
If you think about it, even someone who only owns one Mac isn't in a vacuum. They know other people with Macs. Of all the tools Apple could ask you to use, this one is probably the easiest to guarantee in all circumstances. You might not be able to solve the problem _today,_ but at least you can do it without going to a major city and the Apple store.
That's not to say they should be putting up artificial barriers -- merely that turning one Mac into the diagnostic and recovery tool for other Macs is kind of a smart move, really.
YAY! Video’s back up, I missed this
SMH my head
LTT should have at least given you a shout out on this one....
Am I the only one who heard diarrhea instead of die area?
This makes me really worried about how Apple will handle the eventual Apple Silicon Mac Pro, especially considering that’s the whole point of the Mac Pro is its expandability.
And you can expand when you buy a new machine
Yeah it probably should. After their last one I could never even imagine putting effort into getting even a used one. Just too much hassle for such a high end and potentially mission critical product.
I mean, you are just "worried"? Apple has been putting out so much red flags for years now you bet you ass they will do something like this in every new product like they have been for years
@@iLikeTrainsXx MS this just the next, Microsoft, windows 10, what was it the last up grade, buy or something?
@@dh2032 what are you even talking about
"Apple... Why?" Money, Linus. It's always money. I swear if they could make a quick buck selling the tears of un-unionized child workers caught in the suicide prevention nets of their manufacturing plants, they most definitely would.
haha next up: Mac as a "service" lmfao! Pay $300/mo to keep using "their" mac or else the board locks and won't boot. #suckerzzzz $$$$$$$ #udontownshit
Yet another reason why I'll never buy Apple. Recently I just swapped my HDD out for an SSD for my 3 yo dell laptop, and "it just works", no faffing around with ANOTHER Dell laptop or firmware update bullshit. Just cloned the drive plugged it in, changed the drive letter, and was greeted with a buttery smooth experience.
Long time Apple user/ customer here. Linus, I just love that you are calling Apple out for its anti-repair anti- upgrade practices. Thank you.
Apple has been making non-upgradebale desktop and laptops for over a decade. The market has spoken. They don’t care.
Do people care about upgradeable cellphones? Why aren’t you bitching about that?
Maybe Linus should make videos about nonupgradeble cellphones/tablets. Because Apple bad/evil.
The market has spoken. People don’t care.
Long time customer of apple why? Their stuff is hot garbage...except for the iphone.
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Except for the M1 Mac which fandroids and windows users haven’t got their minds around who hope someday that Apple collapses… such bitterness of fandroids are unfounded lmao 🤣
That was also a licensed, proprietary statement.
@@SLaughterrmuslimswhereveryoufi Yes. As a windows user, I am very sad about the M1. I wish I could have peak performance at 6x the price. Only to be outdone on other parts of a machine that doesn't allow replacements. The horror I've gone through so little money on what I actually need instead of a shiny white box that does the same but requires dongles.
I am very bitter and unfounded. Not entirely sure if I care if apple collapses or not. I just wish my clients would stop asking me if they should get apple hardware while the same budget could upgrade server infrastructure and the entire company computers. Probably a little bit left to take a citytrip with everyone too.
There is definitely a reason the frameworks engineers left the main manufacturers and started doing what they are doing.
well the reason was data from the governments got stolen so many times that apple made the framework engineers to fight and stop that issue by making it impossible for the data to be stolen at all thus no more aplety to repair the computer without apple secure repairs sevasces bescue when government data is considered security take more poyrity then reparability!
What framework is doing seriously makes me want to buy one of their laptops despite not even having any need for a laptop.
I wish they would do the same setup for desktops as well. And make their own Micro systems like apple does but keep to their designs. I can totally see Framework becoming the next (apple) but the way it should of been from the start. I really cant wait for Framework to get ultra cheap in the near future.
The framework approach is definitely a good idea, but we have yet to wait for them to actually release a replacement/upgrade board for it. And I wish they would offer more IO modules. So far it's limited to USB, DisplayPort, microSD and HDMI. I'd love to see a dual USB-A, DVI or RS232 module. With what they have now I'd have to run with dongles just as much as I'd have to on a macbook.
@@killerdeamonking like NUCs? I really want to see more sub 2L PCs like the gigabyte brix.
I think a great thing that could be made is a desktop module, that takes a framework motherboard and turns it into a desktop pc, with an optional vesa mount.
Also maybe one with a full size (or open back 4x) pcie so you can add a GPU.
In my experience Apple users are so completely brainwashed that no amount of trash talking or pointing out/proving how Apple is ripping them off or overcharging them will convince them to stop purchasing Apple. I used to think it was just because those people had so much money they could afford to throw money away. I've since learned that even people who can't really afford it and still buy it will do whatever it takes to continue buying Apple devices. I've tried convincing family members who are Apple junkies with no success. These are people who bring their devices to me for repair knowing my expertise, knowing they can fully trust me and still they are loyal to Apple. It's so crazy to me!
I have learned so much from your channel. Thank you. Can I share my perspective - we run a small video production company and our two Mac Studios run all day, every day ingesting, transcoding, editing and encoding video. They're beasts and both paid for themselves in the first couple of months. I don't care if they're upgradable - at all. Serviceable yes.
And this is why I will never buy a Mac, Linus is 100% justified in his reactions here. Great video LTT 👍
I may not be able to buy it or would consider buying it.
i like the new macbook pros but i truly hate apple as a company
@@noveled_1 same, like they make decent hardware
And then ruin it by being anti-consumer as shit
@@doodlecaboodle9298 yeah
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