I think most viewers would benefit greatly from a discussion about progressive vs digressive shocks. Fox are progressive, meaning they start out soft and get stiffer towards the end of travel. They will ride softer on road for small bumps and give some body roll. Bilsteins are digressive, meaning they start out stiff and get softer towards end of travel. They will ride harsher on road with less body roll but give better control. Digressive shocks are terrible on washboard dirt roads because of this stiffness. Both shocks will perform excellent in offroad extreme conditions.
Have been researching shocks and suspension quite a lot recently. I was going in a direction of Bilstein 6112/5160 as many reviews say they are great as this video suggests. My main purpose of upgrading from stock shocks is to go comfortably fast off-road mostly on corrugated/washboards. So, Bilstein 6112/5160 is probably not good choice according to your comment. Thanks for this info.
I can attest to this. I have a set of 5100's on 06 tundra 2wd set at the max lift position on the body. These shocks suck on washboard/ripple top of dirt roads. Unless you basically crawl or idle they will beat you and your truck to death. I always thought it was the spring position that made these shocks perform like this. I wish I knew this before I bought these. I'm going to replace them with a progressive shock
2023 1500 AT4, I just installed the assembled 6112's from Shock Surplus. I also did the Bilstein 5160's in the rear. AMAZING! Seriously the truck handles like a sports car. 90% of my driving is on pavement, city streets, potholes, jumping curbs etc. Rather than save a few bucks, I wanted to do my suspension upgrade once and Right! Body roll, lane changes caused by train tracks, bumps, bed bounce gone. I can feel the shocks take road imperfections/bumps and push the wheels right back to the pavement. I watched countless TH-cam videos before spending the money. Though Shock Surplus got a little technical at times (fast forward), the guys describing their real on road experience was spot on. The 6120's are set at stock height (AT4 Factory 2" lift), anything higher requires upper control arm I was told. Thanks
The Rancho shock adjuster knob controls compression AND rebound. The tunability range is quite large, allowing for adjustments for payload and/or ride firmness.
I have had the 6112’s on my Tundra for over 100k miles now. 5100’s in the rear. I had 5100’s on all 4 corners on 2 previous Toyota trucks I owned. The 6112’s ride amazing. They soak up the whoops at ~25mph in the sand up at the Outer Banks way better than the 5100’s did. Street/daily driving is better than stock IMO. Just bought my wife a Sequoia and I’ll be putting 6112’s on it 👍.
I installed the Rancho kit on my 2004 FX4 and couldn't be happier. I don't plan on participating in the Parker 425, so these have been great for what I need.
Here's an experience that may help someone make a decision.... I Wish I would have known this info when I put FOX on my 2016 SCREW 4x4. For the first few days, 100% highway use I was a bit bummed by the firmer/harsher ride. But holy moly, the first time I took it out on a fire road and into Johnson Valley's whooped-out access roads, I was literally giggling like a little kid. Then there's inevitable "DIP" that separates streets in my neighborhood that I don't even slown for and just laugh how the truck hardly cares with the FOX shocks. Having said all that, i'm putting the Billstein Ford Performanc 6112 kit on my 2022 SCREW 4x4 with the rear reservoir shocks. I just don't do enough "off-road" to justify the harsher everyday ride.
I've read or probably heard on this site that that since Fox are linear and Bilsteins are digressive that Bilsteins are a little harsher/firm around town and washboard terrain while the fox is softer, but this video seems tomsay the opposite. I'm planning to buy one of the two soon and prefer a softer more plush ride around town.
its kind of funny. Watch the video then read the comments and people post after post literally contradict whats said over and over. based on the this post the Fox should be superior for road riding and washboard terrain and both perform well off road. I wish I could get confirmation as I am almost in the market and I will do little no offroad. I'm just looking to level my truck.
About to rip out the damn 4 corner air ride suspension in my 16 Ram 1500 Limited. Nightly sagging rear corner as well as extreme body roll. Truck is a road princess with maybe a couple low speed trail rides. Still flipping between the Bilstein 5100 and fox 2.0s
It would probably be best to lean towards something that comes loaded with a set of coil springs like the 6112s or Fox2.0s for the front. 5100s do not come with spring seats or springs, so all of those parts would have to be sourced individually making it more cost effective to step up to something that comes loaded/built or at least has springs and seats. If most of your off road use is done at lower speeds, and it you are spending the majority of your time on pavement, you will probably prefer the softer ride of the 2.0s
I'm leaning towards the 6112s and 5180s for my 2016 f150 screw. My goal is to find something to soak up pot holes, man holes, speed bumps, etc. since I don't do a whole lot of off road driving. I would like somewhat softer, not quite pre runner soft.
Definitely a great choice, but if you like a little softer ride, but do not want to feel like you're driving a water bed you will really like the Eibach Stage 2 kits that include their 2.0 coilovers and Pro Truck Sport rear shocks
@@ShockSurplusthis is what I’ve been looking for. Describes my driving. Once in a while off road, especially as I drive down to Mexico from Canada every winter. The roads here in Mexico are…lacking.
Currently, Sean the owner of the company, owns a 2006 Toyota Tacoma with OME BP51 (previous Icon, Fox, Bilstein) and a 2020 Ram 2500 Powerwagon with Fox 2.0 Reservoir now but is about to install King 3.0
Not sure if you have a 4WD or RWD but we have the 4WD version in stock: 4WD www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-5100-monotube-gas-shocks-set-2009-2013-ford-f150-4wd RWD www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-5100-monotube-gas-shocks-set-2009-2013-ford-f150-2wd
HEADS UP.....Things people need to know; Strut lift just doesnt feel as good as spacer lifted. Bilstein should be slapped with the bills I got stuck with. Strut lift seems to put stress on the springs. Its so bad the truck was out of level left to right. It takes away from articulation. Gives you a little bunny hop action...They would clunk over pot holes or speed bumps at slowish speeds...Spacer lift maintains spring comfort and the truck is level side to side. It feels like bone stock instead of overloaded.
That is quite interesting in your case. We ran Bilstein 5100 on various vehicle while retaining the factory OEM springs and all set to high settings on multiple vehicles in our fleet. None were proven to be a uncomfortable ride and actually benefit us in various ways. We think you might have the spring perch installed in the wrong direction which can result is putting a ton of preload outside the circlip specs. Spacer do provide you the lift and look but other than that, it does not provide any functional travel, articulation, or comfort. Suspension lift do provide better functional usage than a spacer would.
@@ShockSurplus driving a 2020 Ram BigHorn 5.7 crew 4wh Night Edition all wheel. been done; 5100s BDS UCAs Bilsteins B12 rear coils Hellwigs adjustable bar and now MotoFabs 2.5" spcrs and 33" Falkens....and then BackFlip and Rhino Raptor running boards. having more drive time I think 4600s reciprocate better. the front (5100s) still seem a little more responsive to the road as where the 4600s shrug off more changes to the nice roads we have here in Michigan. Yes I have gone through quite alot. Been reading more and more the comments about the rattles. probably 70% of time its people forgot the little washer that goes on the strut piston before you stuff the strut through the top mount. Yeah I had that one happen at a GoodYear tire during the Plandemic. The rattle 'only' shows up over pot holes or speed bumps at about 10 mph. (only time) Once backing out of a driveway heard the ping soon as the tire went down over the curb like approach. Thats when I ordered the spacers.....had enough
2016 GMC Sierra Denali, mag delete Bilstein 5100 coilovers with new springs, new uppers and lowers. Top circlip literally 2 inch tall bumps on the highway felt like hard jolt and the truck didn't absorb anything instead my back did. Moved clip to one notch up from bottom much of the same but marginally better. My road comfort was completely ruined by these coilovers. Looking to not feel anything at all while going down the highway. I mean I want to sit a cup of water on the dash and I want whatever set will not make a ripple in the water. Ripple in the water = jolt in the back. Please help. Another off-road shop said the same thing you just said about Bilstein being comfortable.
@@donaldkornegay1489 since going to Motofab spacer the ride is completely quiet so far and a little softer. also look at tire pressure. someone told me 42 pounds for 33" tires. trucks stock tire pressure is 36 pounds for 32" tires. found a calculator saz 37 pounds for 33" tires. The ride is way better. If you want lifetime shocks and the ultimate smooth highway ride. go to 4600s. I opted out of Fox because they want rebuild at 30k miles...no way
@@donaldkornegay1489 since you have back pain issues...I come back to tell you 33" tires is a nice addition to comfort level. with 4600s and 33 inch tires I think you will be real happy. if you have (ball parking this) 255-65-17 go to a 255-70-17
Thank you! I’m thinking of putting the Bilstein 6112 setup on my 22 Ranger tremor to replace the foxes. I saw you had an install video on these but wanted to see if you had a ride review of these? I think since I’m not off-roading 50% of my time like I would like to this setup makes the most sense.
We do not have a ride review for the 6112s on the Rangers yet, but that should be the next thing we test after we pull of the Eibach Stage 2R kit the truck has had for the last year so keep an eye out for that video coming soon
We can rebuild the 6112 which we have no offered yet because Bilstein would like to get with us to show us exactly how to do so. Services varies on driving condition and usage. Depending on the vehicle, some can be upgraded to heavier springs for weight support.
Depends if you're going to retain the spacer lift or go with a suspension lift. Contact our sales team directly for assistance. www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us-general-inquiry
Thanks for the video, you guys put out great content. For a Tacoma, would you recommend aftermarket UCAs with the 6112s at 2” of lift? And how about for 2.5” of lift? I saw one of your replies that said you don’t need to but you would recommend it. Would I notice the difference as a weekend warrior but not a hardcore overlander?
You don't really need it but at 2.5" you're in more a grey area. We highly recommend everyone to get a UCA whenever you are lifting it and is within your budget.
I'm looking to lift my Tundra. Currently stock. Torn between 5100 and 6112's. I want something solid that still has good on road comfort. something that will absorb the bad roads here. I want to maintain my rake and put on something like a 295 AT. Which would you recommend?
I just got new 5100 for the rear of my tundra. Waiting to put them on because my lifted leaf springs are not in yet. Couldn’t really be precise with you since I don’t have them on, nor are the leaf springs stock, but I think that they will ride nicely. On the front I have some rough country n3 2” lifted struts. They actually ride pretty nice, and can take a beating if you know what I mean. If I was going to make it just that much nicer, I would maybe put the bilsteins on the front, but the rc n3’s are actually quite nice. Whatever you do, get a diff drop kit for the front and a carrier bearing drop for the back, trust me, you’ll want it, especially on a tundra.
Please contact our sales team directly with your full vehicle specification including the year and we can help you out with that. www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us-general-inquiry
21 F150 and put the Fox 2.0s on around 20-25k ago. 99.9% highway driving and I have one of them leaking. Think I found a local shop that can rebuild. Disappointed it’s needed so quick.
That is definitely a little soon especially with it being primarily road use. I would bet that shock probably had a small defect that was just able to slip by QC.
@@ShockSurpluscan’t find a local shop to rebuild and not happy with Fox’s response to my emails. Their only rebuild center is in MN. Heavily considering saying forget Fox and tossing on a set of the 6112.
How would a eibach 2.5” lift spring matched with a bilstein or fox strut set at 0” ride and handle in y’all’s opinion? Vehicle in question is a 18 chevy Silverado 1500. Eibach makes some nice stuff for this truck but not sure how it would ride mix matching company’s like that.
Bilstein is going to be the best handling option out of the two, but not necessarily the most comfortable. Fox is going to be more comfortable, with some minor handling improvement (over factory). There's no best option here, both are great, its what is best for your specific use-case or needs. If you're carrying heavy loads, towing, or camping with a lot of equipment and want better handling for any of the above, then Bilstein. If you want a more plush ride, and comfort on the daily drive or easy trails is what you're looking for, than we'd recommend Fox 2.0 Its digressive vs linear shocks here, so baseline behavior is significantly different - its not the same shock with different branding like a lot of people think.
I’d like to lift my 2017 F150 but don’t see a clear choice that’ll give me the same factory ride I currently have for my daily driver / weekend warrior. Any suggestions?
You might want to check 88rotors in El Monte They have a lot of videos on Tacoma/4Runners etc. might carry those new billsteins. I had billsteins 5100 on my 2014 tacoma and love the ride. 👍
Considering bilstein 5100 or 6112. Need springs, mine are broken. No off-road just street use and some towing and want best ride…don’t need a ton of “feedback” or extreme travel. looking for improvement over stock as far as overall ride quality and street handling…your thoughts?
6112s would definitely be the better choice over the 5100s. Besides already having springs, the larger piston allows for more flow making for much better small bump comfort and less of the harshness usually associated with digressively valved shocks
What would be a good set for a 2004 gmc ?? I want to do the 6112 front and back shocks with springs front and back ! What do you think would be good for my truck , I do alot of daily driving but I do go off road sometimes
Technically you could preload the spring even more, but not advised in the least. The shock cant handle that much rebound force, you'll probably bottom/top out the shock on any reasonable obstacle or bump, which leads to premature faliure. Fox will also know, and wont warranty it once it fails.
I have a 2014 Silverado 4wd, unfortunatelyI didn't know much about lifts when i was sold a Rough Country 3.5" lift that I've had since 2018. My control arms are pushed to the limit and constantly tear the boots and the ride is very rough. I want to keep the lifted look and run 33" tires. Do you have a suggestion on which would be my best solution? Would the adjustable shocks replace my lift and level out my control arm? Please help🙏
The adjustable shocks would replace the strut spacer from Rough Country, a 2.0 shock option will only get you to about 2-2.5" of lift (Fox, Eibach, Bilstein 5100). So if you need that max 3.5" of lift to clear tires (depending on your 33s specifically), then you may need to go to a Fox/King/Icon 2.5 shock, which can be pushed to the 3" or 3.5" of lift in the front. You'll end up keeping the UCAs in either switch-over, but would love to dive into more details - support@shocksurplus.com / 213-433-3616
I’ve got a 2018 Ram 1500 w/ 5100’s set to the top (2.8). They hold the road great except on streets or highways if I a a bump often I’ll bounce over left or right. Sometimes almost in the next lane. Wouldvtge 6112 help with this? Or would the fox abe better?
Im looking to level my 2024 Ford Ranger Wildtrak,in the front,2 inch,wich shock would you recommend?,mostly a street and highway driving,a daily driver,i want the smoothest ride..
What leveling kit would you recommend on a 2016 f250 4x4 diesel? Mostly road and farm/pasture use is what the trucks does. Looking to level the truck and still have a good daily driver truck. I have been looking at the Icon coilover kits but don't know how they compare to the Bilstein or Fox? The Icon is more expensive than what you mentioned here.
You probably dont need to go as big as a coilover conversion kit. If you're just looking to level it, we highly recommend a front leveling spring kit and Fox 2.0 shocks from Carli - world of difference vs stock.
I have a 2007 tundra 4 wheel drive I’d like to level the front end I don’t go off roading or tow any heavy stuff what would be a good option to do that
Can you stack a spacer on top of the 6112’s? Trying to achieve 3” of lift. Also does a higher setting give a different ride quality/affect the travel? Thanks
@@ShockSurplus thats total bull shit. we just went all the way down this road...strut lift minimizes shock travel. Makes the suspension stiff even out of level side to side. They make noise on extension..hey man Im the one who just spent alot of money and wasted time playing games with strut lift....now running Motofab spacers with 5100s on zero and trucks ride is excellent and have yet to hear any noises over pot holes or speed bumps....
@@carl16760 what truck do you have? On my 14’ sierra 1500 z71 (with 145k on stock rancho) I am leaning that way as well. I want to bring the truck up just a little bit. Nothing crazy. I’m leaning toward bilstein 5100 all the way around. Leave front on lowest setting and putting on the rough country lower 2” spacer. I want to keep some rake as well cause I personally don’t like the leveled look and I tow from time to time and hate the nose up an rear squat with a trailer. So thinking about a 2” rear block. I think that setup would give me what I want and ride much better than the gm branded ranchos. Currently have duratrac 275/65/18. And want to run a true 33 275/70/18.
@@jew0182 oh BTW. you got a Chevy so if you want a 1.5 inch lift in the back....use a 3rd leaf. You will be real happy. I did a 400pound comfort leaf on my Chevy. better ride more stability better traction....win win win
My friend I have a 4runner 4th Gen, I will install a front ARB Bumper and roof rack, now the question is.. The Fox suspension will work with my extra load? Or I should go for the OME Heavy Suspension? Im lookin 3" inch lift..... additional question, is recommendable change the UCAs for the OME UCAs right? what do you think?
the fox 2.5 can handle that load and ride height requirements, but not the 2.0. So if your budget on suspension is $1k or there about, we'd recommend the OME shock and spring setup to get that done. If you have a $2-3k budget, then the Fox 2.5 may be a better bet, or dobinsons, or the OME BP51 setup.
I have 2014 Tundra CM 4WD. Currently have a Toytec 3" lift. I'll be replacing front and rear bumper for overlanding and some off roading. I will have extra load on the truck ( lights, new bumpers, rear rack for overlanding and gear). Will the 6112's be sufficient to carry the extra load? Should I upgrade the Leaf Springs? Will want to keep the 3" lift. Thank you for your response.
The 6112s will be well suited to control the load, the 6112s usually max out at 2.5" on your Tundra, but you can add a small strut spacer (0.5") to get to 3" if you need that clearance for tires. Rear leaf spring help is usually recommended when setting up for overlanding and lots of gear, cant go wrong with the Icon progressive add-a-leaf there www.shocksurplus.com/products/icon-1-5-lift-rear-leaf-spring-kit-51200 Can dive into more details and options - support@shocksurplus.com
@@ShockSurplus if the 6112 lets say fit on the 2023 for leveling purposes what would you pair them with for the rear ? All info will be apreciated thank you .
An Icon 2" spring is usually what we pair in a kit like that, there's also countless spring spacers to achieve the same thing if you're on a budget (readylift, procomp, etc). Email us at support@shocksurplus.com and we can get some good details to you
Looking to replace oem shockers on my 2010 F150. Want to keep stock height. Should I just get the ranchos. Would they be an improvement over like a KYB or a FCS shock? Don’t work on my own new to shocks. But shop wants way to much for parts so they said I could bring my own parts in and they would put them in for me.
If you want a good OE replacement the last thing I would recommend a Rancho. If you just wanted something on part with the stock suspension that will keep you going for a couple years then go KYB. Otherwise if you would like something that will ride and handle better than stock, that will last a long time go Bilstein 4600
4600s are not available as a complete assembly but a coat of paint and powder is a lot cheaper than trying to source a stock spring if they even still sell it.
We charge $135 per corner for 2.0 series and $150 per corner for 2.5 series. We also charge $25 for removal of any coil springs to rebuild or to swap out.
I have a 2016 Silverado with a leveling kit. I'm looking to upgrade to a coil over system. I use the truck as my commuter and are looking for a smoother ride. I also do use the truck off road as well. Would you go with the Rancho of spend the extra money on 6112
I live in the Northwest Territories one thing you didn't mention is cold weather -40 plus... That's why I'm going with the 6112s on my Bronco outer banks running 33.9 boondocking and nasty gravel roads up here with permafrost heaves in the road lots of fun.... Great video
Hi there. I live in similar weather region but on the other side of the world :). I was almost deciding on 6112, but as some comments say this digressive shocks are terrible on corrugations compared with progressive or linear shocks. This is big no for me. My main reason for upgrading is to go comfortably fast off-road on corrugated and uneven gravel and rocky roads. Did you install it? What has been your experience? thanks
@@RealeaD the oil in the 6112’s is and designed for the cold weather where the fox and King are not : they’re all tested in warmer climates( I love King that being said ….I had fox on my ford ranger tremor….they we’re good…. have not gotten the 6112 yet the majority of the off roader’s use them up here in the north…so i’ll run with the majority…
@@jerrychiasson9857 thanks for the reply. Bilstein local dealer said exactly same thing that Bilstein has oil which is designed for cold weather as you say... However, as these videos say this Bilstein is digressive shock, that worries me. After doing some more research, Fox 2.0 could be good option, but can't find much information regarding their longevity in cold regions... luckily you have first hand experience with them :) Can you tell me more about Fox? was it 2.0 or 2.5? How they performed and their longevity during winter?
I have a 2x2 tacoma crew cab I need to go Lyft 2 inches because of 265x7917 I have I don’t go off road only if I go camping every 2 years. Are regular 51 00. Good for my taco ? And do you sell the Amd hat the warranty with guys rather than amazon
The 5100s are a good street shock, great handling. There are softer options out there, the eibach pro truck or fox will ride softer than Bilstein on the road if you're picky about small bumps and such
I have the bilstein 5100 with eibach 620front springs and old man emu upper control arms. I want something that gives me the ability to drive a bit faster on rough surfaces with a bit softer feel. The 5100 series is pretty good but I really want something that offers more damping that can help reduce the jarring in cabin. Would someone please offer some advice? I’ve been looking at the 6112 but would be willing to get something else if there is an option. Are there any 2.5” fox options? Or how about King?
which vehicle? The 6112 wont reduce the chatter that much compared to the 5100, you should go with a softer option like Eibach or Fox 2.0s. If you have no budget and want to buy once / cry once - the Old Man Emu BP51 system is one of the best in terms of comfort, or Dobinsons MRR - being able to adjust compression and rebound can produce really nice comfort
What would be a good fit for my gmc sierra 1500 Elevation 2023 4WD I want to level the front to the back and im haul a travel trailer and off road no more than 5 times a year same as hauling im keep stock tires witch there 275/60/R20 and my truck is stock body lift
Bilstein 5100 full set or 6112 front and 5100 rear or Eibach Pro Truck Stage 2 would be our go to for your specific usage. Note, you would run stock shocks because the body lift doesn't require a long shock.
Unless you're doing some pretty hard charging offroad consistently, the 6112 will be more than enough for you. If you do decide on the Fox 2.5 Performance Elite, those are suited for faster offroad speeds, or carrying varying loads. The adjustment is great, but overkill unless you're doing a lot with the Tacoma.
They will definitely soften up a touch, but they are Digressively valved so they may always be a little firm over smaller bumps at lower speeds, however that is a small price to pay for how tight they handle and can be mostly mitigated by simply driving faster.
Im a beginner to shocks and truck lifts but the Bilstein 6112 seems like an option I’d like to explore. I’m shopping for 5.5in to 6in lifts for my 22 GMC Canyon V6 AT4. I was looking at the BDS 5.5 lift which has a Fox 2.0 coil over included. Will the Bilstein 6112s work with any lift I choose? There are basically 3. Zone, RC, and BDS. Since I want to do off roading i was thinking BDS and then saw this video.
Depends on how you're lifting it. It's no ideal to run spacers but in most lift kits, that's the only way to achieve the higher lifts as not many people are making full coil overs that give you that amount. You would set any strut or coilover at a factory height or 0" then retain the spacer in whichever company you deice to go with.
I’ve currently have 3.5” Readylift on my 2019 Ram 1500. I want go with something like the Bilsteins that’s way better quality, but want to keep the same 3.5” height, what are my options?
The most lift any of the Bilstein parts can provide is 2.5-2.6" so you will not be able to achieve the same height unfortunately. But if you like the idea of the 6112s, Dobinsons has IMS struts that will do 3" in the front.
If choose to go with Bilstein 6112’s with the rear 5160’s, will I need to do any thing with my upper control arms. I don’t have the stock arms anymore, due to installing the 3.5” Readylift.
If you go with 5100s yes, since those will use your factory springs, and you can adjust from there. The 6112 have a unique part number for the trail boss which provides another inch of lift
We would suggest looking at other brands that would be much better. Bilstein 5100 sets, Bilstein 6112 and 5100, Eibach Stage 1, Eibach Stage 2, or Fox 2.0.
I have a Toyota Tacoma 2009 4wd, i already have a lift but stock shocks, 285 75 16 allterrain tires, i would like to upgrade to a better suspension, for road only, i want a smoother ride, but there so many options, any suggestions?
It really depends on the speed you are driving. The Bilsteins will feel a little firm under around 20-25 mph compared to something like a Fox, but they are still a lot more comfortable than a Rancho, and will soften up the faster you go. With that said you may be happier in a Fox if you do not mind the additional maintenance and shorter service life
I have a 2017 GMC Sierra with Bilstein 5100s set at the highest setting (1.85”). I absolutely despise the ride and will be changing as soon as I am satisfied I have found a suitable replacement. What I want: the most comfortable shock available that will give me 2” of lift. Suggestions please? By the way…I do not need off road performance. Thank you.
I'd go with the Eibach pro truck adjustable height shocks or their coilovers. Fox 2.0 coilovers are indeed more comfortable, but last much less, require service, and geared towards offroad use. www.shocksurplus.com/products/eibach-pro-truck-sport-leveling-struts-adjustable-shocks-e60-23-006-03-10#part-numbers
@@ShockSurplus Thank you for the reply. This looks exactly like what I’ve got in the Bilsteins. Are you suggesting these will provide a plush ride even on the highest setting?
Fox 2.0s are definitely the most comfortable however most Escalades have mag ride and self leveling or air ride suspension, so you will want to make sure to get all the parts to delete and convert to the standard Tahoe/Suburban suspension if you have not already.
@ShockSurplus Do the Bilstein 6112 need regular service like the Fox2.0 , or is it more like a fix and forget deal like the Ranch quicklift ?? how often do you recommend a service for Bilstein 6112 shock on a light truch 1500 with maximum 20k miles/annual and only onroad conditions
Bilstein are our biggest seller though, one of the better longer lasting options there is. B4 for factory like feel, B6 for a bit sportier. They're high demand, regularly out of stock, we can get you a preorder though www.shocksurplus.com/search?Position/Full-Set&query=2015-explorer
I drive a 21 F150 Lariat 4x4. Leveled with Teraflex Falcon’s offer. Very unhappy; super stiff, feel every bump. I’m on 285 75 17 KO1s. I want to get a more comfortable, less choppy ride while retaining the level. Would one of the 3 here suit me best?
Definitely not our first complaint about that kit. I would say you would be much happier in a set of Fox 2.0s or if you are doing a decent amount of towing or hauling with it you will like a Eibach Stage 2 kit with their 2.0 coilovers and shocks
We have people running these shocks in extremally cold temperatures whom are fine. Worse one we heard was -40 degrees and the shocks froze which makes total sense. He eventually told us it was fine once it warmed up again. It didn't leak at all.
@@ShockSurplus My point was that while you made the initial investment, you have to spend even more $$$ in maintenance... I have Fox 2.0's on my 2002 GMC 2500HD, it has a 4.5" BDS coilover lift with new 5" leafsprings, it's a toy so it doesn't get driven that often... For my 2024 Silverado 1500 LT Trail Boss, I chose the Bilstein 5100 for the rear, and the 6112 for the front...
The ranchos are pretty much stock shocks playing dress up. The knob makes no discernible difference at all. Garbage product 😂 them fox 2.0s on the other hand are gnarly as shit and ride better than any shock I've ever ridden on
most applications dont require new UCAs for 2.5" of lift. In the case of GM 1500 vehicles, we do recommend though since the factory ball joints are terrible. Here's a guide we put together www.shocksurplus.com/blogs/shocks-101/the-definitive-upper-control-arm-comparison-guide?srsltid=AfmBOoqyFRAS6Ne-N8r-XgU3fp0ZjTwg5IQSxeoC02UKm5ihIIbAdKgY
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I think most viewers would benefit greatly from a discussion about progressive vs digressive shocks. Fox are progressive, meaning they start out soft and get stiffer towards the end of travel. They will ride softer on road for small bumps and give some body roll. Bilsteins are digressive, meaning they start out stiff and get softer towards end of travel. They will ride harsher on road with less body roll but give better control. Digressive shocks are terrible on washboard dirt roads because of this stiffness. Both shocks will perform excellent in offroad extreme conditions.
We have another video that gets into this a bit, but I agree - a more comprehensive video would be great and its actually in the works.
Thank you for describing it this way! It is exactly what I wanted to know.
Have been researching shocks and suspension quite a lot recently. I was going in a direction of Bilstein 6112/5160 as many reviews say they are great as this video suggests. My main purpose of upgrading from stock shocks is to go comfortably fast off-road mostly on corrugated/washboards. So, Bilstein 6112/5160 is probably not good choice according to your comment. Thanks for this info.
I can attest to this. I have a set of 5100's on 06 tundra 2wd set at the max lift position on the body. These shocks suck on washboard/ripple top of dirt roads. Unless you basically crawl or idle they will beat you and your truck to death. I always thought it was the spring position that made these shocks perform like this. I wish I knew this before I bought these. I'm going to replace them with a progressive shock
Are ranchos progressive ?
2023 1500 AT4, I just installed the assembled 6112's from Shock Surplus. I also did the Bilstein 5160's in the rear. AMAZING! Seriously the truck handles like a sports car. 90% of my driving is on pavement, city streets, potholes, jumping curbs etc. Rather than save a few bucks, I wanted to do my suspension upgrade once and Right! Body roll, lane changes caused by train tracks, bumps, bed bounce gone. I can feel the shocks take road imperfections/bumps and push the wheels right back to the pavement. I watched countless TH-cam videos before spending the money. Though Shock Surplus got a little technical at times (fast forward), the guys describing their real on road experience was spot on. The 6120's are set at stock height (AT4 Factory 2" lift), anything higher requires upper control arm I was told. Thanks
Glad you are liking them! For the money those Bilsteins are definitely hard to beat.
The Rancho shock adjuster knob controls compression AND rebound. The tunability range is quite large, allowing for adjustments for payload and/or ride firmness.
Thanks, will be shopping for the Bilstein before winter.
Good choice!
I have had the 6112’s on my Tundra for over 100k miles now. 5100’s in the rear. I had 5100’s on all 4 corners on 2 previous Toyota trucks I owned. The 6112’s ride amazing. They soak up the whoops at ~25mph in the sand up at the Outer Banks way better than the 5100’s did. Street/daily driving is better than stock IMO.
Just bought my wife a Sequoia and I’ll be putting 6112’s on it 👍.
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you, brother!!
Glad I could help!
@@ShockSurplus I ordered the whole 6112/5100 kit with Bilstein B12 rear springs setup
A lot of useful information but the music is kinda distracting.
thanks for the feedback, noted for future vids =)
I installed the Rancho kit on my 2004 FX4 and couldn't be happier. I don't plan on participating in the Parker 425, so these have been great for what I need.
Here's an experience that may help someone make a decision....
I Wish I would have known this info when I put FOX on my 2016 SCREW 4x4. For the first few days, 100% highway use I was a bit bummed by the firmer/harsher ride. But holy moly, the first time I took it out on a fire road and into Johnson Valley's whooped-out access roads, I was literally giggling like a little kid. Then there's inevitable "DIP" that separates streets in my neighborhood that I don't even slown for and just laugh how the truck hardly cares with the FOX shocks.
Having said all that, i'm putting the Billstein Ford Performanc 6112 kit on my 2022 SCREW 4x4 with the rear reservoir shocks. I just don't do enough "off-road" to justify the harsher everyday ride.
Thanks for the feedback, were those the Fox 2.0 or 2.5?
I've read or probably heard on this site that that since Fox are linear and Bilsteins are digressive that Bilsteins are a little harsher/firm around town and washboard terrain while the fox is softer, but this video seems tomsay the opposite. I'm planning to buy one of the two soon and prefer a softer more plush ride around town.
its kind of funny. Watch the video then read the comments and people post after post literally contradict whats said over and over. based on the this post the Fox should be superior for road riding and washboard terrain and both perform well off road. I wish I could get confirmation as I am almost in the market and I will do little no offroad. I'm just looking to level my truck.
Nevada dude here!! 😂 I go shooting out by painted rock sometimes
The music is too loud
We have made changes in the new videos. These are all re-uploaded and no changes were made.
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Good info. Trying to decide what I want to do with my Jeep Liberty. Leaning toward Bilstein
Cant go wrong with Bilstein dependability and longevity
About to rip out the damn 4 corner air ride suspension in my 16 Ram 1500 Limited. Nightly sagging rear corner as well as extreme body roll.
Truck is a road princess with maybe a couple low speed trail rides. Still flipping between the Bilstein 5100 and fox 2.0s
It would probably be best to lean towards something that comes loaded with a set of coil springs like the 6112s or Fox2.0s for the front. 5100s do not come with spring seats or springs, so all of those parts would have to be sourced individually making it more cost effective to step up to something that comes loaded/built or at least has springs and seats. If most of your off road use is done at lower speeds, and it you are spending the majority of your time on pavement, you will probably prefer the softer ride of the 2.0s
Thanks for sharing, grate video with a lot of info
Glad it was helpful!
I will like to put bilsteins on my fj cruiser. 2.5" or 3" lift kit.
Please contact us directly and we'll help you out.
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I'm leaning towards the 6112s and 5180s for my 2016 f150 screw. My goal is to find something to soak up pot holes, man holes, speed bumps, etc. since I don't do a whole lot of off road driving. I would like somewhat softer, not quite pre runner soft.
Definitely a great choice, but if you like a little softer ride, but do not want to feel like you're driving a water bed you will really like the Eibach Stage 2 kits that include their 2.0 coilovers and Pro Truck Sport rear shocks
@@ShockSurplusthis is what I’ve been looking for. Describes my driving. Once in a while off road, especially as I drive down to Mexico from Canada every winter. The roads here in Mexico are…lacking.
I hate how my truck feels loosey goosey on the back end.
What would this set up run me for a 2014 f150 3.5 FX4?
Shawn, what we need to know is, what’s on your own personal truck?
Currently, Sean the owner of the company, owns a 2006 Toyota Tacoma with OME BP51 (previous Icon, Fox, Bilstein) and a 2020 Ram 2500 Powerwagon with Fox 2.0 Reservoir now but is about to install King 3.0
Really want the Bilsteins but they aren’t in stock anywhere for the 2013 Ford F-150 will have to go with the Fox 2.0 I guess.
Not sure if you have a 4WD or RWD but we have the 4WD version in stock:
4WD
www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-5100-monotube-gas-shocks-set-2009-2013-ford-f150-4wd
RWD
www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-5100-monotube-gas-shocks-set-2009-2013-ford-f150-2wd
HEADS UP.....Things people need to know; Strut lift just doesnt feel as good as spacer lifted. Bilstein should be slapped with the bills I got stuck with. Strut lift seems to put stress on the springs. Its so bad the truck was out of level left to right. It takes away from articulation. Gives you a little bunny hop action...They would clunk over pot holes or speed bumps at slowish speeds...Spacer lift maintains spring comfort and the truck is level side to side. It feels like bone stock instead of overloaded.
That is quite interesting in your case. We ran Bilstein 5100 on various vehicle while retaining the factory OEM springs and all set to high settings on multiple vehicles in our fleet. None were proven to be a uncomfortable ride and actually benefit us in various ways. We think you might have the spring perch installed in the wrong direction which can result is putting a ton of preload outside the circlip specs. Spacer do provide you the lift and look but other than that, it does not provide any functional travel, articulation, or comfort. Suspension lift do provide better functional usage than a spacer would.
@@ShockSurplus driving a 2020 Ram BigHorn 5.7 crew 4wh Night Edition all wheel. been done; 5100s BDS UCAs Bilsteins B12 rear coils Hellwigs adjustable bar and now MotoFabs 2.5" spcrs and 33" Falkens....and then BackFlip and Rhino Raptor running boards. having more drive time I think 4600s reciprocate better. the front (5100s) still seem a little more responsive to the road as where the 4600s shrug off more changes to the nice roads we have here in Michigan.
Yes I have gone through quite alot. Been reading more and more the comments about the rattles. probably 70% of time its people forgot the little washer that goes on the strut piston before you stuff the strut through the top mount. Yeah I had that one happen at a GoodYear tire during the Plandemic. The rattle 'only' shows up over pot holes or speed bumps at about 10 mph. (only time) Once backing out of a driveway heard the ping soon as the tire went down over the curb like approach. Thats when I ordered the spacers.....had enough
2016 GMC Sierra Denali, mag delete Bilstein 5100 coilovers with new springs, new uppers and lowers. Top circlip literally 2 inch tall bumps on the highway felt like hard jolt and the truck didn't absorb anything instead my back did. Moved clip to one notch up from bottom much of the same but marginally better. My road comfort was completely ruined by these coilovers. Looking to not feel anything at all while going down the highway. I mean I want to sit a cup of water on the dash and I want whatever set will not make a ripple in the water. Ripple in the water = jolt in the back. Please help. Another off-road shop said the same thing you just said about Bilstein being comfortable.
@@donaldkornegay1489 since going to Motofab spacer the ride is completely quiet so far and a little softer. also look at tire pressure. someone told me 42 pounds for 33" tires. trucks stock tire pressure is 36 pounds for 32" tires. found a calculator saz 37 pounds for 33" tires. The ride is way better.
If you want lifetime shocks and the ultimate smooth highway ride. go to 4600s. I opted out of Fox because they want rebuild at 30k miles...no way
@@donaldkornegay1489 since you have back pain issues...I come back to tell you 33" tires is a nice addition to comfort level. with 4600s and 33 inch tires I think you will be real happy. if you have (ball parking this) 255-65-17 go to a 255-70-17
Never will I get ranchos again those shocks are stiff don’t think the adjustment screw even works, gonna try the 6112
It really depends on what you're using the truck for. But overall Bilstein 6112 are overall a better quality product.
another great video! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you! I’m thinking of putting the Bilstein 6112 setup on my 22 Ranger tremor to replace the foxes. I saw you had an install video on these but wanted to see if you had a ride review of these?
I think since I’m not off-roading 50% of my time like I would like to this setup makes the most sense.
We do not have a ride review for the 6112s on the Rangers yet, but that should be the next thing we test after we pull of the Eibach Stage 2R kit the truck has had for the last year so keep an eye out for that video coming soon
@@ShockSurplus thank you!
@editor please lower the volume of the music in the background on videos. makes it easier to concentrate on what the speaker is saying.
we've learned our lesson here, these were some of the first videos we produced a few years back, thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching!
Are the 6112s rebuildable or how many miles should they last? Are there different spring options depending on the weight?
We can rebuild the 6112 which we have no offered yet because Bilstein would like to get with us to show us exactly how to do so. Services varies on driving condition and usage. Depending on the vehicle, some can be upgraded to heavier springs for weight support.
So what would you recommend for a 2014 Tacoma 80 city 20 fire roads ? Maintain a 3” lift ?
Depends if you're going to retain the spacer lift or go with a suspension lift. Contact our sales team directly for assistance.
www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us-general-inquiry
Thanks for the info looking for shocks for my ram 1500 4x4
No problem 👍
Thanks for the video, you guys put out great content. For a Tacoma, would you recommend aftermarket UCAs with the 6112s at 2” of lift? And how about for 2.5” of lift? I saw one of your replies that said you don’t need to but you would recommend it. Would I notice the difference as a weekend warrior but not a hardcore overlander?
You don't really need it but at 2.5" you're in more a grey area. We highly recommend everyone to get a UCA whenever you are lifting it and is within your budget.
I'm looking to lift my Tundra. Currently stock. Torn between 5100 and 6112's. I want something solid that still has good on road comfort. something that will absorb the bad roads here. I want to maintain my rake and put on something like a 295 AT. Which would you recommend?
I just got new 5100 for the rear of my tundra. Waiting to put them on because my lifted leaf springs are not in yet. Couldn’t really be precise with you since I don’t have them on, nor are the leaf springs stock, but I think that they will ride nicely. On the front I have some rough country n3 2” lifted struts. They actually ride pretty nice, and can take a beating if you know what I mean. If I was going to make it just that much nicer, I would maybe put the bilsteins on the front, but the rc n3’s are actually quite nice. Whatever you do, get a diff drop kit for the front and a carrier bearing drop for the back, trust me, you’ll want it, especially on a tundra.
Please contact our sales team directly with your full vehicle specification including the year and we can help you out with that.
www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us-general-inquiry
21 F150 and put the Fox 2.0s on around 20-25k ago. 99.9% highway driving and I have one of them leaking. Think I found a local shop that can rebuild. Disappointed it’s needed so quick.
That is definitely a little soon especially with it being primarily road use. I would bet that shock probably had a small defect that was just able to slip by QC.
@@ShockSurpluscan’t find a local shop to rebuild and not happy with Fox’s response to my emails. Their only rebuild center is in MN. Heavily considering saying forget Fox and tossing on a set of the 6112.
How would a eibach 2.5” lift spring matched with a bilstein or fox strut set at 0” ride and handle in y’all’s opinion? Vehicle in question is a 18 chevy Silverado 1500. Eibach makes some nice stuff for this truck but not sure how it would ride mix matching company’s like that.
That would be fine just note on the 5100, you would need rain you factory spring seat as they do not come with that part.
Looking for something for my 2022 F150 Tremor.
Contact our sales team directly for assistance.
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I replaced the 2.0fox and adjusted the height to the same height as the original car, and found it very unstable when cornering
interesting! which year / model?
How about Eibach 2.0 coil over?
We actually like them quite a lot. We tested them on a Ranger and compared them to Fox 2.0 and Bilstein 5100. We're quite impressed on them.
Between the Blisteins and the Fox 2.0 since the price difference is only 100 bucks now, which one would still be a better buy?
Bilstein is going to be the best handling option out of the two, but not necessarily the most comfortable. Fox is going to be more comfortable, with some minor handling improvement (over factory). There's no best option here, both are great, its what is best for your specific use-case or needs.
If you're carrying heavy loads, towing, or camping with a lot of equipment and want better handling for any of the above, then Bilstein.
If you want a more plush ride, and comfort on the daily drive or easy trails is what you're looking for, than we'd recommend Fox 2.0
Its digressive vs linear shocks here, so baseline behavior is significantly different - its not the same shock with different branding like a lot of people think.
I’d like to lift my 2017 F150 but don’t see a clear choice that’ll give me the same factory ride I currently have for my daily driver / weekend warrior. Any suggestions?
@@jasonhoward2285my 2” level spacer didn’t change the ride.
Hello on my 2014 Chevy Silverado 1500. I'm installing 2in drop spindles. And want to go 1 in more what spring and front shock do I need. Thnx
We don't have parts for lowered trucks.
Do you know when you will have the 6112's in stock for a 2017 Silverado?
Anytime from now till September.
Hi do you have any shop in stock 6112 install on my 2022 Toyota 4runner sr5 premium 4x2 just to level my area is 92801 Anaheim California thanks
You might want to check 88rotors in El Monte
They have a lot of videos on Tacoma/4Runners etc. might carry those new billsteins. I had billsteins 5100 on my 2014 tacoma and love the ride. 👍
We do carry the Bilstein 6112 for your 5th Gen 4runner. Contact us directly and we'll help you out.
Considering bilstein 5100 or 6112. Need springs, mine are broken. No off-road just street use and some towing and want best ride…don’t need a ton of “feedback” or extreme travel. looking for improvement over stock as far as overall ride quality and street handling…your thoughts?
6112s would definitely be the better choice over the 5100s. Besides already having springs, the larger piston allows for more flow making for much better small bump comfort and less of the harshness usually associated with digressively valved shocks
What would be a good set for a 2004 gmc ?? I want to do the 6112 front and back shocks with springs front and back ! What do you think would be good for my truck , I do alot of daily driving but I do go off road sometimes
1500, 2500, 3500? contact our sales team directly for assistance
can you cranked up the fox 2.0 all the way to 3 inch of lift?
Technically you could preload the spring even more, but not advised in the least. The shock cant handle that much rebound force, you'll probably bottom/top out the shock on any reasonable obstacle or bump, which leads to premature faliure. Fox will also know, and wont warranty it once it fails.
I have a 2014 Silverado 4wd, unfortunatelyI didn't know much about lifts when i was sold a Rough Country 3.5" lift that I've had since 2018. My control arms are pushed to the limit and constantly tear the boots and the ride is very rough. I want to keep the lifted look and run 33" tires. Do you have a suggestion on which would be my best solution? Would the adjustable shocks replace my lift and level out my control arm? Please help🙏
The adjustable shocks would replace the strut spacer from Rough Country, a 2.0 shock option will only get you to about 2-2.5" of lift (Fox, Eibach, Bilstein 5100). So if you need that max 3.5" of lift to clear tires (depending on your 33s specifically), then you may need to go to a Fox/King/Icon 2.5 shock, which can be pushed to the 3" or 3.5" of lift in the front.
You'll end up keeping the UCAs in either switch-over, but would love to dive into more details - support@shocksurplus.com / 213-433-3616
I’m looking to level my 21 Silverado 1500 2x4. Will the Rancho actually be high enough for it to sit level? Great video
I’ve got a 2018 Ram 1500 w/ 5100’s set to the top (2.8). They hold the road great except on streets or highways if I a a bump often I’ll bounce over left or right. Sometimes almost in the next lane. Wouldvtge 6112 help with this? Or would the fox abe better?
Im looking to level my 2024 Ford Ranger Wildtrak,in the front,2 inch,wich shock would you recommend?,mostly a street and highway driving,a daily driver,i want the smoothest ride..
If I go with 6112 on my 2019 f150 do I have to also replace the upper control arms?? I’ve heard mixed things.
At around 2-2.5" you do not need to with the 6112 but we do highly suggest it as the factory UCA can only handle so much articulation and clearance.
What leveling kit would you recommend on a 2016 f250 4x4 diesel? Mostly road and farm/pasture use is what the trucks does. Looking to level the truck and still have a good daily driver truck. I have been looking at the Icon coilover kits but don't know how they compare to the Bilstein or Fox? The Icon is more expensive than what you mentioned here.
You probably dont need to go as big as a coilover conversion kit. If you're just looking to level it, we highly recommend a front leveling spring kit and Fox 2.0 shocks from Carli - world of difference vs stock.
@@ShockSurplus I don't see this on your website. Do you sell this?
I have a 2007 tundra 4 wheel drive I’d like to level the front end I don’t go off roading or tow any heavy stuff what would be a good option to do that
Bilstein 5100
Can you stack a spacer on top of the 6112’s? Trying to achieve 3” of lift.
Also does a higher setting give a different ride quality/affect the travel?
Thanks
We don't suggest it but you can get away with a small spacer like 1/2" or maybe 1" at most. But we generally don't suggest running spacers.
@@ShockSurplus thats total bull shit. we just went all the way down this road...strut lift minimizes shock travel. Makes the suspension stiff even out of level side to side. They make noise on extension..hey man Im the one who just spent alot of money and wasted time playing games with strut lift....now running Motofab spacers with 5100s on zero and trucks ride is excellent and have yet to hear any noises over pot holes or speed bumps....
@@carl16760 what truck do you have? On my 14’ sierra 1500 z71 (with 145k on stock rancho) I am leaning that way as well. I want to bring the truck up just a little bit. Nothing crazy. I’m leaning toward bilstein 5100 all the way around. Leave front on lowest setting and putting on the rough country lower 2” spacer. I want to keep some rake as well cause I personally don’t like the leveled look and I tow from time to time and hate the nose up an rear squat with a trailer. So thinking about a 2” rear block. I think that setup would give me what I want and ride much better than the gm branded ranchos. Currently have duratrac 275/65/18. And want to run a true 33 275/70/18.
@@jew0182 and yes 33s work great
@@jew0182 oh BTW. you got a Chevy so if you want a 1.5 inch lift in the back....use a 3rd leaf. You will be real happy. I did a 400pound comfort leaf on my Chevy. better ride more stability better traction....win win win
Looking to upgrade a 2000 GMC Savana 3500 cutaway ..is their a coil over setup available for that application? ..
They do not make any oiclover set up. But if you have a will and way, you can custom fit anything in any vehicle. Just need to fabricate a lot
My friend I have a 4runner 4th Gen, I will install a front ARB Bumper and roof rack, now the question is.. The Fox suspension will work with my extra load? Or I should go for the OME Heavy Suspension? Im lookin 3" inch lift..... additional question, is recommendable change the UCAs for the OME UCAs right? what do you think?
the fox 2.5 can handle that load and ride height requirements, but not the 2.0. So if your budget on suspension is $1k or there about, we'd recommend the OME shock and spring setup to get that done. If you have a $2-3k budget, then the Fox 2.5 may be a better bet, or dobinsons, or the OME BP51 setup.
For the Tacomas the Ranchos are $178 each which is nice, whereas the Bilstein 6112 are $900 a pair!!!
I have 2014 Tundra CM 4WD. Currently have a Toytec 3" lift. I'll be replacing front and rear bumper for overlanding and some off roading. I will have extra load on the truck ( lights, new bumpers, rear rack for overlanding and gear). Will the 6112's be sufficient to carry the extra load? Should I upgrade the Leaf Springs? Will want to keep the 3" lift. Thank you for your response.
The 6112s will be well suited to control the load, the 6112s usually max out at 2.5" on your Tundra, but you can add a small strut spacer (0.5") to get to 3" if you need that clearance for tires.
Rear leaf spring help is usually recommended when setting up for overlanding and lots of gear, cant go wrong with the Icon progressive add-a-leaf there
www.shocksurplus.com/products/icon-1-5-lift-rear-leaf-spring-kit-51200
Can dive into more details and options - support@shocksurplus.com
Im waiting for my 2023 ram laramie 1500 as we all know oem parts are not allways the best , will these 6112 fit that truck ?
Bilstein has not confirmed 2023 fitment yet but assume it's the same and nothing has changed. If so, then they should fit.
@@ShockSurplus if the 6112 lets say fit on the 2023 for leveling purposes what would you pair them with for the rear ? All info will be apreciated thank you .
An Icon 2" spring is usually what we pair in a kit like that, there's also countless spring spacers to achieve the same thing if you're on a budget (readylift, procomp, etc). Email us at support@shocksurplus.com and we can get some good details to you
Looking to replace oem shockers on my 2010 F150. Want to keep stock height. Should I just get the ranchos. Would they be an improvement over like a KYB or a FCS shock? Don’t work on my own new to shocks. But shop wants way to much for parts so they said I could bring my own parts in and they would put them in for me.
If you want a good OE replacement the last thing I would recommend a Rancho. If you just wanted something on part with the stock suspension that will keep you going for a couple years then go KYB. Otherwise if you would like something that will ride and handle better than stock, that will last a long time go Bilstein 4600
@@ShockSurplus note sure if in can reuse the factory springs there are pealing the protective coating, does the 4600 have a Spring assembly kit also?
4600s are not available as a complete assembly but a coat of paint and powder is a lot cheaper than trying to source a stock spring if they even still sell it.
are the bilstein 6112's servicable/rebuildable
They are, we'll have a video soon on how this is accomplished and open up service to the public
@@ShockSurplus awesome thanks guys! Can’t wait to order it through shock surplus!
Hi, thanks very useful info. You say fox are rebuildable. How much cost rebuild the fox 2.0 shocks? Thanks...
We charge $135 per corner for 2.0 series and $150 per corner for 2.5 series. We also charge $25 for removal of any coil springs to rebuild or to swap out.
Do you have any shops on tampa??
Unfortunately, we do not have a data base of shop quite yet. But look for any shop that focuses on either trucks or off-roading builds.
I have a 2016 Silverado with a leveling kit. I'm looking to upgrade to a coil over system. I use the truck as my commuter and are looking for a smoother ride. I also do use the truck off road as well. Would you go with the Rancho of spend the extra money on 6112
We suggest these models over Rancho: Bilstein 6112, Fox 2.0 and Eibach Pro Truck Stage 2.
leave the struts on zero add spacers for lift
I live in the Northwest Territories one thing you didn't mention is cold weather -40 plus... That's why I'm going with the 6112s on my Bronco outer banks running 33.9 boondocking and nasty gravel roads up here with permafrost heaves in the road lots of fun.... Great video
thanks! yeah that nutty cold up there, hope the Bilstein works out for ya
@@ShockSurplus apparently bilstein is the only shock company that test their shocks in the north…..
Hi there. I live in similar weather region but on the other side of the world :). I was almost deciding on 6112, but as some comments say this digressive shocks are terrible on corrugations compared with progressive or linear shocks. This is big no for me. My main reason for upgrading is to go comfortably fast off-road on corrugated and uneven gravel and rocky roads. Did you install it? What has been your experience? thanks
@@RealeaD the oil in the 6112’s is and designed for the cold weather where the fox and King are not : they’re all tested in warmer climates( I love King that being said ….I had fox on my ford ranger tremor….they we’re good…. have not gotten the 6112 yet the majority of the off roader’s use them up here in the north…so i’ll run with the majority…
@@jerrychiasson9857 thanks for the reply. Bilstein local dealer said exactly same thing that Bilstein has oil which is designed for cold weather as you say... However, as these videos say this Bilstein is digressive shock, that worries me. After doing some more research, Fox 2.0 could be good option, but can't find much information regarding their longevity in cold regions... luckily you have first hand experience with them :) Can you tell me more about Fox? was it 2.0 or 2.5? How they performed and their longevity during winter?
I have a 2x2 tacoma crew cab I need to go Lyft 2 inches because of 265x7917 I have I don’t go off road only if I go camping every 2 years. Are regular 51 00. Good for my taco ? And do you sell the Amd hat the warranty with guys rather than amazon
The 5100s are a good street shock, great handling. There are softer options out there, the eibach pro truck or fox will ride softer than Bilstein on the road if you're picky about small bumps and such
I have the bilstein 5100 with eibach 620front springs and old man emu upper control arms. I want something that gives me the ability to drive a bit faster on rough surfaces with a bit softer feel. The 5100 series is pretty good but I really want something that offers more damping that can help reduce the jarring in cabin. Would someone please offer some advice? I’ve been looking at the 6112 but would be willing to get something else if there is an option. Are there any 2.5” fox options? Or how about King?
which vehicle? The 6112 wont reduce the chatter that much compared to the 5100, you should go with a softer option like Eibach or Fox 2.0s. If you have no budget and want to buy once / cry once - the Old Man Emu BP51 system is one of the best in terms of comfort, or Dobinsons MRR - being able to adjust compression and rebound can produce really nice comfort
What would be a good fit for my gmc sierra 1500 Elevation 2023 4WD I want to level the front to the back and im haul a travel trailer and off road no more than 5 times a year same as hauling im keep stock tires witch there 275/60/R20 and my truck is stock body lift
Bilstein 5100 full set or 6112 front and 5100 rear or Eibach Pro Truck Stage 2 would be our go to for your specific usage. Note, you would run stock shocks because the body lift doesn't require a long shock.
Can I put either one of these on a 2007 Tahoe LTZ
Rancho Quick lifts, Bilstein 6112, and Fox 2.0 are all available for your vehicle.
I have a 2012 Tacoma 4wd Deciding between fox 2.5 coilovers 0-3” lift and 6112 any options?
Unless you're doing some pretty hard charging offroad consistently, the 6112 will be more than enough for you. If you do decide on the Fox 2.5 Performance Elite, those are suited for faster offroad speeds, or carrying varying loads. The adjustment is great, but overkill unless you're doing a lot with the Tacoma.
@@ShockSurplus 6112s it is
Will Bilstein eventually have the 6112 and an appropriate rear shock for 2021-2023 F150 Tremors?
The shock they're going with to match the 6112 are the 5160s, we dont forsee them coming out with a 6100 shock on the rear of these applications.
Can I put a strut spacer on the fox shocks?
You can but be weary of the studs lengths and ensure you still have enough to tighten the upper mount into place.
Can I put 4WD coilovers on a RWD truck and just lower the ride a bit to compensate for the extra bit of lift that comes w 4WD coilovers?
Some vehicles can and some cannot. Please contact us with your vehicle and specs and we'll help you out.
I have the 6112 on my 2017 tundra limited there a little stiff will they soften up a bit after bit I just installed them is there a brake in period?
They will definitely soften up a touch, but they are Digressively valved so they may always be a little firm over smaller bumps at lower speeds, however that is a small price to pay for how tight they handle and can be mostly mitigated by simply driving faster.
Im a beginner to shocks and truck lifts but the Bilstein 6112 seems like an option I’d like to explore. I’m shopping for 5.5in to 6in lifts for my 22 GMC Canyon V6 AT4. I was looking at the BDS 5.5 lift which has a Fox 2.0 coil over included. Will the Bilstein 6112s work with any lift I choose? There are basically 3. Zone, RC, and BDS. Since I want to do off roading i was thinking BDS and then saw this video.
Depends on how you're lifting it. It's no ideal to run spacers but in most lift kits, that's the only way to achieve the higher lifts as not many people are making full coil overs that give you that amount. You would set any strut or coilover at a factory height or 0" then retain the spacer in whichever company you deice to go with.
@@ShockSurplusdoes lift kit takes time to springs to settle in. ??
I’ve currently have 3.5” Readylift on my 2019 Ram 1500. I want go with something like the Bilsteins that’s way better quality, but want to keep the same 3.5” height, what are my options?
The most lift any of the Bilstein parts can provide is 2.5-2.6" so you will not be able to achieve the same height unfortunately. But if you like the idea of the 6112s, Dobinsons has IMS struts that will do 3" in the front.
If choose to go with Bilstein 6112’s with the rear 5160’s, will I need to do any thing with my upper control arms. I don’t have the stock arms anymore, due to installing the 3.5” Readylift.
Compare to the rough country M1 series
We will not be review Rough Country as we do not sell their parts or have any intention to do so anytime soon. We are sorry for this.
Any particular reason?
Are 6112 only for off road or will it improve on road as well?
They are good for on-road as well. They're in-between the daily driving and off-road spec.
What company services the fox shocks ?
We service them in house now but you can also reach out to Fox directly or any local shops to you that is capable of doing so.
I have a 2019 trail boss, if I go with the bilsteins, would I still be gaining any height over the factory 2 inch lift?
If you go with 5100s yes, since those will use your factory springs, and you can adjust from there. The 6112 have a unique part number for the trail boss which provides another inch of lift
are the 6112 available for a 23 GMC 1500 at4 ?
What if I already have a leveling kit but my shocks are garbage and I'd like to install the 2.0'?
Depends on how much it's leveled by. You would just want to make sure the coilover or strut you get, provides the same.
I have a 2018 Silverado 1500 4wd I’m on the road a lot, I really don’t off road should I get the ranchos?? Thank you
We would suggest looking at other brands that would be much better. Bilstein 5100 sets, Bilstein 6112 and 5100, Eibach Stage 1, Eibach Stage 2, or Fox 2.0.
What would be the part number for the belstein 6112 for a 22 f150 4wd
Here ya go, 47-323841
www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-6112-strut-spring-assembled-rear-b8-5100-shocks-set-for-2021-2022-ford-f150-4wd
I have a Toyota Tacoma 2009 4wd, i already have a lift but stock shocks, 285 75 16 allterrain tires, i would like to upgrade to a better suspension, for road only, i want a smoother ride, but there so many options, any suggestions?
How much lift did you achieve?
@@ShockSurplus 2-3”
Which one of these would you recommend for the best ride quality on 2016 tahoe 22 inch wheels?
Fox probably delivers the smoothest all around, Bilstein the best handling though. Stay away from the Quicklifts.
So a 2015 F150 would probably not do well down 12 miles of gravel every day with 6112s or 5100s?
It really depends on the speed you are driving. The Bilsteins will feel a little firm under around 20-25 mph compared to something like a Fox, but they are still a lot more comfortable than a Rancho, and will soften up the faster you go. With that said you may be happier in a Fox if you do not mind the additional maintenance and shorter service life
Really interested in buying bilstein 6112
How can I purchase
Also need pre assembly
Love to hear it, we have assembly options for the 6112 on our site
www.shocksurplus.com/search?query=6112
I have a 2017 GMC Sierra with Bilstein 5100s set at the highest setting (1.85”). I absolutely despise the ride and will be changing as soon as I am satisfied I have found a suitable replacement. What I want: the most comfortable shock available that will give me 2” of lift. Suggestions please? By the way…I do not need off road performance. Thank you.
I'd go with the Eibach pro truck adjustable height shocks or their coilovers. Fox 2.0 coilovers are indeed more comfortable, but last much less, require service, and geared towards offroad use.
www.shocksurplus.com/products/eibach-pro-truck-sport-leveling-struts-adjustable-shocks-e60-23-006-03-10#part-numbers
@@ShockSurplus Thank you for the reply. This looks exactly like what I’ve got in the Bilsteins. Are you suggesting these will provide a plush ride even on the highest setting?
Both Fox and Eibach are valved softer then Bilstein 5100. Fox is softer then both. Eibach is in-between a Bilstein 5100 and Fox 2.0
Looking for smooth ride on a 2011 escalade withone would you recoment?
Fox 2.0s are definitely the most comfortable however most Escalades have mag ride and self leveling or air ride suspension, so you will want to make sure to get all the parts to delete and convert to the standard Tahoe/Suburban suspension if you have not already.
Is it true the fox 2.0 lift is actually less than 2 inches?
It depends on the vehicle, some are 0-1" and some are 0-2" in the Fox 2.0 coilovers.
@@ShockSurpluswhat about for a 2018 Chevy Silverado 1500 are they a true 2in?
at what lift height do you need brake line extensions
Varies on application but note the higher you go the more likely you need.
@ShockSurplus Do the Bilstein 6112 need regular service like the Fox2.0 , or is it more like a fix and forget deal like the Ranch quicklift ??
how often do you recommend a service for Bilstein 6112 shock on a light truch 1500 with maximum 20k miles/annual and only onroad conditions
How can I order
our website - shocksurplus.com
hi, which shock observers you recommend for Ford Explorer 2015? from FOX or any other 3rd party.
Bilstein are our biggest seller though, one of the better longer lasting options there is. B4 for factory like feel, B6 for a bit sportier. They're high demand, regularly out of stock, we can get you a preorder though
www.shocksurplus.com/search?Position/Full-Set&query=2015-explorer
So the 6112 is more comfortable than the fox 2.0?
Fox 2.0 are softer on the daily drive and easy trails, 6112 are tighter / sportier
Is rancho a good shock
For the price, you can get better parts in quality and functionality.
I could be wrong but i dont believe that fox 2.0 to be rebuildable or valveable.
I dont even think accutune will touch it.
I drive a 21 F150 Lariat 4x4. Leveled with Teraflex Falcon’s offer. Very unhappy; super stiff, feel every bump. I’m on 285 75 17 KO1s.
I want to get a more comfortable, less choppy ride while retaining the level. Would one of the 3 here suit me best?
Definitely not our first complaint about that kit. I would say you would be much happier in a set of Fox 2.0s or if you are doing a decent amount of towing or hauling with it you will like a Eibach Stage 2 kit with their 2.0 coilovers and shocks
What's with the annoying background music (noise) throughout? Is it necessary?
not necessary, we've stopped doing it for a while now, thanks for the feedback
bilstein is undeniably very good, but why don’t you voice an important problem with them - they start to leak at low temperatures
We have people running these shocks in extremally cold temperatures whom are fine. Worse one we heard was -40 degrees and the shocks froze which makes total sense. He eventually told us it was fine once it warmed up again. It didn't leak at all.
Another downside to the Fox 2.0, they need to be rebuilt after so many miles, whereas the Bilsteins do not...
Correct, but that also makes them a lifetime product in a way
@@ShockSurplus My point was that while you made the initial investment, you have to spend even more $$$ in maintenance...
I have Fox 2.0's on my 2002 GMC 2500HD, it has a 4.5" BDS coilover lift with new 5" leafsprings, it's a toy so it doesn't get driven that often...
For my 2024 Silverado 1500 LT Trail Boss, I chose the Bilstein 5100 for the rear, and the 6112 for the front...
Bilstein and Fox DO NOT make these coilovers for Gen 3 Nissan Frontier truck.
Actually Bilstein already has 6112s in the works and basically ready for production.
The ranchos are pretty much stock shocks playing dress up. The knob makes no discernible difference at all. Garbage product 😂 them fox 2.0s on the other hand are gnarly as shit and ride better than any shock I've ever ridden on
its definitely hard to tell a difference with the knob adjustments, we noticed the same on our 2020 Ram 2500 when we tested them
bilstien vs eibach
Both are great. Just depends on what you're looking for out of a suspension and for what vehicle as they are not always offered for every vehicle.
@@ShockSurplus cool was looking at either for a 2016 silverado 1500
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This guy is hard to listen to
Do you need upper control arm if you do the 2.5 inch bilstein shock
most applications dont require new UCAs for 2.5" of lift. In the case of GM 1500 vehicles, we do recommend though since the factory ball joints are terrible.
Here's a guide we put together
www.shocksurplus.com/blogs/shocks-101/the-definitive-upper-control-arm-comparison-guide?srsltid=AfmBOoqyFRAS6Ne-N8r-XgU3fp0ZjTwg5IQSxeoC02UKm5ihIIbAdKgY