BambuLab P1P Review - What is the point in this?
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I got burnt out on maintaining FDM printers and switch over to resin printing for several years. I saw the initial reviews for the P1P early last year and it reignited my interest in FDM. No regrets. It is the perfect addition to any shop or makers space if you want minimal hassle and rapid prototyping.
I love my P1P. It's a stripped down, no frills, super easy to maintain machine. I have a P1S as well for the occasional ABS/ASA print. If i were to add another printer, I'd go for another P1P as i mostly print PLA/PETG, and I'd prefer to stick with one type of replacement parts. The A1 is probably just fine for my needs as well, but im already in this lane, so I'll keep riding in it!
Why would you go backwards? The P1P was their first we still learning what we are doing printer. The A1 is cheaper and better and if you want to do abs the P1S is the way to go.
@@AlbertoMartinez765 - in what way is the A1 better? The touchscreen? It's a little bit cheaper, sure, but it's a bedslinger, so that brings its own drawbacks. The P1 series has received several updates that have kept it on par with BL's newer releases, so what makes the A1 superior?
Like I said originally - I already have the P1 series printers. I'd rather stick with more of the same so that parts, maintenance, and performance are all equal across the board.
Active Flow Rate Compensation
The A1 revolutionizes flow control in 3D printing. It utilizes a high-resolution, high-frequency eddy current sensor to measure the pressure in the nozzle. Our algorithm actively compensates the flow rate according to the readings to extrude with accuracy.
This is better than all printers on the market. I expect a new X1 carbon printer soon with this technology.
That said stick with your existing and dated P1 until the better printers come out.@@hamthomas4715
Getting another very expensive P1S machine for "occasional ABS/ASA print" seems a bit uneconomic.
With all the mods and models available to enclose this machine it's odd why someone wouldn't use that, because it's the very definition of 3D printing: making stuff.
From the original idea of "printers printing printers" we are now at: just buy another printer for several hundred bucks for one feature. Odd.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 a) I said I'd get another P1P, not P1S... b) I run a printing business. I buy the tool I need for the job I need done, not a hobby machine that I have to spend time rep-rapping to save a few (hundred) bucks.
It's interesting to see you going back to their older printers and really seeing how they've refined things over time for their newer models. It will be interesting to see what this line of printers looks like after it's updated.
Sounds like clickbait but i assume its going to be "Don't buy a P1P buy a P1S instead"
Me and You Both.
Me too. TH-cam today it's all about click bait.
That makes us all Fish?
This review is about 3 to 4 months late. But, I enjoy the approach.
Absolute braindead video
Looking forward to the P1S review. Keep up the good work
Yup, agree. Skip the P1P and go straight to the P1S. Did that and have never regretted it and if you can afford it do add the AMS, it sure is a brilliant thing.
For a beginner who wants to "make stuff" in their free time it's a bad advice to invest like a thousand bucks just to be able to do that without knowing if this is going to become a hobby or not.
350 bucks difference is kinda a lot for something that you might not need to begin with. You can always get the upgrade kit later
I had several FDM printers, cheap ones, expensive ones, fast ones and did a lot of tinkering. The P1P improved on all of them. It is the first printer I can use as a easy as buying stuff on amazon. I need something real quick, start the printer and without fail for 12 months, it provided my with everything I need. It changed 3D printing again for me. My actually printer is less reliable.
Just ordered the A1 based on your review even thought I wanted the P1s. Really couldn’t justify the extra £300+ for the work I do on it
I got my P1P before the p1s got announced, i'm happy enough with it, especially since i got an aftermarket enclosure kit (which basically turned it into a p1s)
I think you can navigate sdcard files with a preview for p1 series on bambu hambu or bambu slicer since the last firmware from 2 weeks ago. You also get the noise cancellation that appeared with A1 so bambu care about their older printers if they can push innovation via software updates 😊
If you struggle to choose between p1p and s if you aim to print pla only and get as much speed and quality possible p1p is better due to its coreXY open frame (pla prefer open case for cooling reasons) if not go for a S. And if want pla +petg or other filament you can print from an open printer but you need to print it slower A1 is really a perfect choice
I began with 3D printing 6 month ago and ordered a P1P because It was cheaper (in case I drop the hobby again) and to have easier maintenance/less afraid to break something.
I never regret that decision because I only print PLA/TPU/PETG.
However I'm waiting for a XL Bambu where I would buy the premium version this time
Also ordered a GKTwo as printing figurines is really frustrating on FDM
I got the p1p second hand from Craigslist for 350 , it was still in the box, for me that was a nobrainer, I like the corexy setup
fo sho fo sho my bro
Saw one on Marketplace for $250. Hoping he responds and its not already scooped!
Love my P1S with AMS. Punches way above its price point.
Luv the p1p
I bought the x-1 carbon just because of the display and the addition features. For beginners I would go with the A-1 and the A-1 mini. I believe the market for the P1P and the P1s is those that want or need a little better print quality and the ability to add more AMS to the unit. I think users that have more than one printer would be more likely to use this printer for printing PLA, the printers above this one would be used for those that require an enclosure. I’m looking at there printers for a person that has 6 bed slinger’s and the X-1 carbon. Because I hate doing maintenance on all of the bed slinger’s I’m dumping 5 of them and replacing all with just 1 A-1 with a AMS. Why that printer over the others I have the X-1 that I can add extra AMS too, I printer most models with 4 colors if you need more and you have it setup right on the slicer you can it pause the print and change colors in the AMS. It’s all about the Display screen after I have the prints setup I can walk over pick which toy (see the Model) I want to print change the colors. I’m printing toys for the children’s cancer center so I want to see which colors I change too and which models I will print this month. So if one of the big just would not buy it is the Display and the the A-1 are just a little more user friendly with the ease of changing the print head. However I would buy any of Bambu printers because they just work, they tell you what maintenance should be done to keep them up they are almost idiot proof.
I agree, I got the p1p almost a year ago, it's a great printer, but if the P1S had been out at the time I would have gone with that. I fully enclosed mine and did all the upgrades, cost more than $100 and doesn't look nearly as clean
Hi great videos just a question all prices are in US dollars now as a potential owner what sort of customs fees are incurred when purchasing the printer and the filament thanks
The P1P made more sense when it released when the only other Bambu Lab alternative was the X1C. Now that the A1 and P1S exist, it sits in an awkward middle ground where it lacks a lot of features but is also kind of pricey compared to the other models. I've had my P1P for about 9 months and I love it, but if I were in the market to buy one now, I probably would go for the P1S instead.
This, definitely. I have a P1P and bought it at release and it is excellent. I fully intend to add the P1S upgrade to it at some point, but it isn't a huge deal atm as I mainly do PLA/PETG.
Yes exactly. I've had mine for around 8 months now and its fantastic, but I would get a P1S or even an X1C knowing what I know now.
p1s is a no brainer call,not paying much more than a p1p and actually can upgrade it to an almost X1C with a small amount of money.
I bought a p1p when it released and now I upgraded litteraly everything to the point that I could also just buy a x1c
I bought the P1S and later a single AMS so I can't speak to the P1P or the A1 series. After having owned and used the P1S for 7 months now all I can say is it's a nice feeling to create a design, send it to the printer and watch in total delight the first layer being laid down so well unlike my old ANet printer. . I have never had a print fail on the first layer. I attribute this to the fact that one should never ever touch the build plate with their fingers. The oils from your fingers can affect adhesion. Either use the printable scraper tool or take the build plate out and bend it to get the part to release. Oh, and used dish soap, a plastic scrub pad and hot water to clean it. Don't use chemicals, sprays or anything abrasive. And rinse it really, really well with hot water. I spent $1600 CDN on this puppy and I have zero regrets. I just wanted to be able to make parts for my projects without hassle and this puppy just delivers the goods in a quality I am more that happy with. 👍
JUST ORDERED A P1S thinking of ordering an a1 maybe in the future.
Bought a P1P not long ago after owning two self assembled (and programmed) printers. The P1P was a great purchase. It was ready to print after an hour, the printing speed (compared to the two previous printers) is very good and the print quality is well above what I have experienced so far. Excellent purchase
I'm wavering between a P1P or an A1. I will only print in PLA. The A1 has Active Flow Rate Compensation and easy nozzle changes, but the P1P does not. What do you think?
I started my FDM adventure with the monoprice maker select and it is just a clone of the wanhao i3 then on to various ender 3 versions and a couple qidi and flashforge printers. I bought the p1p when the p1s was not an option. If i had to do it again I would have bought the x1c even though it was outside of my price range as a hobbiest.
Good solid review…
id love to hear your opinion on qidi XPlus3 vs P1S
I have both the P1P and the A1. Both great printers. Im actually printing an enclosure for my P1P right now.
I will buy again my P1P a hundred times, best money I've ever spent. In 6 months I've printed more than twice the amount of objects that I could do (with lots and lots of faff) with my my previous printers during 3 years.
My take is that the P1P is made for the ones who have very basic needs and only print PLA, or can make happy other users that don't mind their homework: I've printed the Lite enclosure by CraftySven and added a better led strip, and I print ABS and Carbon fibre with no problems.
Having been a Flashforge customer for long, I was suspicious at first, it seemed to much hype. Boy, I was wrong, the P1P allows me to prototype functional objects and check their dimensional accuracy and function, within a very short time: the machine warms up quick, can load/unload the filament very quick, the plate has great adhesion yet will release the objects in a few minutes as they cool down. So is the simple screen a real waste of time? Not at all, you're actually saving hours and hours of work with this printer.
I have a P1S with AMS and I like it. I wouldn't say it's completely idiot proof but it's been a reliable printer so far when used with good filament. General build quality, print quality and speed have been good. Compared to my old Ender 3 Pro it's about 3-4x the speed. It was amazingly well packaged. Prints are super crisp. The AMS is handy even for single colour prints, not having to mess around changing filament. Downsides would be crap camera and the way gcode has to go up to the cloud just to come back down to the printer. It would be nice if there were a kit to upgrade it fully to an X1 - better camera, mainboard & control panel. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like BigTreeTech produced something at some point, turning it into a pure Klipper device. I've also played around with Orca Slicer which is branched from Bambu Slicer which is branched from PrusaSlicer which is branched from Slic3r. I like the UI of Bambu Slicer & Orca.
My biggest issue so far, which was a serious issue, is I put some old filament into it and the filament snapped just above the hotend. So it could neither be forced through or retracted and the AMS started sending errors to the printer. Because it's a direct drive, not bowden I had to disassemble the print head and replace the nozzle. I'm sure I can extract the filament from the old nozzle somehow but it really wasn't a fun issue to clear.
You can always change the settings to use your printer without the cloud. That's how I use my P1S. Just through my home network.
I had a filament break in my AMS as well not so long ago. It's not that hard to disassemble the AMS, retrieve the broken piece, reassemble and get back to business. Sorta like a paper jam in a laser printer. Besides, a broken filament doesn't happen very often. The Bambu Lab Wiki has a ton of info to help as does TH-cam.
The reference sounds like Snake in Metal Gear Solid to me. 😁
As for this printer, it does seem to be in a strange place now. Maybe if it was cheaper it would be more compelling.
The A1 is on my "buy to replace the most worn out unit" list. The P1S is maybe nice to have, my only ABS printer is an upgraded cheapie in a custom box.
I've got 5 FDM's (hardly a farm, more of an allotment) and 3 resin printers. I'm slowly earning my way to replacing all those cheapies with good-quality printers.
I ended up buying a P1S - mostly wanted the enclosure because it lives in a garage, otherwise I'd get the P1P. I think they're the perfect FDM wargaming printer.
Well i have had more print fails on the p1s core xy printer than any of my bed slinger's and to be a just printer type of person you still need to know how printers work and how to fix them because they will break down at some time its a nice idea that bambu has printers for everyone but the real fact is 3d printing will always be for makers and tinkers its a hobby not a coffee machine or microwave.
You must be doing something wrong if the P1S is having failed prints. I own a P1S and works like a champ. The only thing I did different was to create my own filament profiles so that the nozzle temp was higher than the predefined set ups in Bambu Studio. I print my PLA at 220C nozzle temp to make it more fluid and works great. Hope you can get as much out of your P1S as I have gotten from mine. And for what it's worth, all printers will need maintenance and I have done some on my P1S. I'd rather not spend an hour bed levelling and screwing with things just to print something. That's why I ditched my last printer. Screwing with a 3D printer is great if you like to tinker but for my needs, I just wanted a printer to do what is claimed to be. A printer. My P1S has not let me down.
Second reply. You wrote "the real fact is 3d printing will always be for makers and tinkers its a hobby not a coffee machine or microwave".
I wonder if you'd say the same thing if your other electronics needed constant tinkering? Why should a 3D printer not be the same and as simple to use as a paper printer?
I will become that in time whether you believe so or not.
Pro grade 3d printers do not require endless tinkering. Just occasional part replacement. F170 for example.
@@satanicmonkey666 What yes they do 20 thousand dollar printers used for instustrial use are been endless tinkering with what is wrong with you people stop believing in youtube content these's people make money off of this
I have both an X1C and a P1P. I really like the open frame of the P1P for printing great quality PLA prints. I also loved the idea of being able to customize it and add to it if I wanted to in the future. However, the $100 price difference between the P1S and the P1P is pretty hard to beat, especially when the P1P enclosure kit is, on sale, $150. I could see Bambu phase out the P1P in favor of the P1S, with the A1 taking the lower price point spot the P1P used to fill.
Recommend it to someone who is looking for a printer relatively cheap (for bambu), but good speed, and a fairly good sized print bed.
just got the p1s recently to replace my heavily modified ender 3 abortion.
turns out you cant have enough printers.. they are now running both at the same time
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I’d love a video with help on support settings for this printer or p1s… it’s the biggest problem I’ve had so far
Question: Now that you have printed the outer walls are they enough to make it a closed printer for harder materials?
No, not with these walls. These aren’t fully enclosed but there are full enclosure kits out there.
But the one I’ve seen where you need screws and Perspex panels for doors and sides. Cost as much as the P1S upgrade kit fir those extra bits
You can use plywood, acrylic sheet or cardboard from packaging if in a hurry ;)
I think the P1S is the better buy because of the upgrades they made to it that you'd otherwise have to buy to update the p1p. I just wish they'd let you put the a1 screen on the p1s/p1p haha.
I am shopping for my first 3D printer. I want something I can upgrade to handle carbon fiber. My prints will need to survive significant force. Which bambu should I get? I do not need muti-filament. Can go up to a P1S but it would stretch the limit of my allotted budget
Get a P1P and print your own enclosure like I did, you wont be disappointed I love my P1P. I start it check the first layer and let it get on with it.
Hanging out for the next video,.I'm trying to toss up between the A1 and the P1S now
What's the model with the round hygrometer ?
The discount on the fillament is good, it would be even better if thay had more than 3 colours available at any time, I gave up ordering bambu fillament about a month after getting my P1P
I actually just ordered a p1s because I wanted one that was already enclosed, I did want the AMS system but it was sold out of that model
I ordered the A1 but because of the cable issue it has been removed from the shop and my order got cancelled. I contacted support and they said that it will take about 3 months for the printer to be back in stock which is too long for me because I would like it to be here before March. I was wondering if you suggest me to buy the P1P which is more expensive, a cheaper alternative like the AnkerMake M5C, Flashforge M5 or just wait the 3 months for the A1 to be back in stock?
I;d probably suggest the P1P over the A1 anyway as it;s a more stable machine. and you have a great upgrade path with it to the P1S enclosure kit and the AMS units.
Otherwise, I;d wait the 3 months. I jut got an email. mine has to go back too.
@@FauxHammer Thanks for the quick reply! And in my opinion this email from them shows that they actually care about their customers and do something about the problems so I'll stick with them but I am still going to think about if it's better for me to wait or just spend a bit over my budget to get the printer faster as I can see their printing quality and speed is almost the same.
@@jurgisgaldikas3343 great approach, and yeah they have nailed it, they have communicated regularly and well.
I think when the full size A1 was introduced it really removed the market slot for the P1P. I would either get the A1 or the P1S as indicated in the summary at the end of the video.
Keep in mind that the P1P pre-date both the P1S and the A1. It's not exactly comparing apples to apples. Being new to the 3D printing scene, prior to other options , the P1P was my entry-point and was completely blown away. 9 months later, its still kicking ass and chewing bubble gum.
Great review, thanks.
I'm a bit torn on this. I will likely never print with anything other than PLA or PETG, so I don't need an enclosure. As much as I'd love to have a core XY printer for the slightly less space it takes up, I'm still leaning towards the A1 once the recall is handled.
The point is in the very definition of DIY or 3D printing: the fun with making stuff.
The P1P marks the barebone from which you can develop any further. And since people with 3D printers have fun in making stuff and having DIY projects, it was and is the perfect route to go. The P1P can something the A1 can't: it's very easy to get enclosed.
if you’re thinking you might eventually want AMS, and might eventually want to print other materials - then the P1S is a no brainer. At least for the UK you can’t buy the P1P with AMS combo. If you buy the P1P and then AMS separately its actually more expensive than the P1S combo right now, and you’ll sitll have a non-enclosed printer
A few comments in regards to comparison to a X1 would have been nice.
I had considered a p1p as the a1 mini was toooooo weeny and the X1 is mooochos expensieeevo for a lesser mortal with two kids but unless it massively decreases £ I think I will pick up the A1 instead (after a number of over times, and not going out ect)
Just saw a video on the Big tree Tech Panda Screen for use with the P1, P1S and X-1 Carbon. This is a game changer it’s geared for the single user and those that run a print farm for the P1 and the P1S. I believe that for print farm users it is a game changer for then especially when they are printing a single item on there print farm, by allowing you to send the print job too multiple printer. You have a master printer and a slave printers, the master is used to send the print job to the other printers. The A1 and A1 mini is geared for the new user, the P1 the P1S is more geared for an advance users that requires just a little more consistent prints over time. Both those prints are a stripped down version of the X-1 great for print farms just not for beginners.
dude i know how it feels to tinker with a printer 1 hr for a 3o mi print it is so anoying to try to fix it and i am not the only one it os a ender3 v3 se
going through your links now thanks
I have a bambu lab p1s, but i took the casing off and the aux to turn it into a p1p
i'm curious, why? i eman, why not just get the P1P?
Well, to be fair, it looks like an X1C with the panels taken off because it *is* basically a stripped down X1C :)
Thanks for the great review, I think the 1990's retro UI killed it for me. I think the FlashForge Adventurer 5m Pro is a much better option for faff-free printing.
Oh really? Good luck with their software, but if you’re happy with it, go for it
There have been reports of printed enclosures, even the official ones, affecting warranty claims as it doesnt allow for mainboard cooling
The P1P will be my very first 3D printer. The P1P retails here in Aust for around $1,050 but the X1 jumps up to $2,100. So... I'm busting to know what's the difference between P1P and P1S ? Is it simply a fully enclosed case for an extra $260 no thanks. My computer has an open frame case so bring it on with my 3D printer, I'm good.
The P1P is a work horse. It works very well in print farms and business/education settings.
4:08 Sending prints to a printer without an SD Card does not technically (or obviously, as you say) require an online account.
I mostly print PETG, and the P1P is perfect imo.
Shit, I’m over here rocking a Voxelab Aquila S2 and loving it.
Love how he tells you not to buy it and pushes you to the higher end Carbon while having affiliate link for ALL Bambu products.
I love how you heard only what you wanted to hear to dis the video. I said pick what is right for you and if you are like me and want what I want.
I highly doubt we are the same type of printer user and I did as much as I could to advise you that this video probably isn’t for you.
Thanks for the view and comment anyway
@@FauxHammer and your clickbait title literally has “don’t waste your money” in bold text. Sounds very open minded and “pick what’s best for you” to me
You're dead on. As someone with a P1S with AMS and an A1 with AMS, what little room the introduction of the P1S left for the P1P to exist, the A1 nuked from orbit. If coreXY matters to you enough that you can't deal with the A1, then you gut it out and save up $100. If you aren't anti-bedslinger, then the A1 is so much better with AMS than the more-expensive P1P, both in technology and capability, there's just no contest. Look for Bambu to deprecate the P1P from the product line unceremoniously about the time they release their next offering.
I bet the twist is: "don't waste your money on other printers, buy a P1P"
😂
I only print pla and petg, I have 3 p1ps and 1 A1. For me, they make sense as I don't need an enclosure and only 1 Ams for the p1ps. The price tag is better too 🤣
I want a PA1S
Some British buyers had issues with the install, because they dont wanted to choose "Europe" as region.
Thumbs up, purely for the Metal Gear Reference.
Metal Gear?!
@@FauxHammer LIQUID?!
Escape from New York?
13:20 I was kind of thinking those colors looked all too familiar SuperVinlin
Oh well, not like it changes anything about the printer, itself ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The X1C is so much better than both the P1P and the P1S and its not that expensive really. I know not everyone has 1k to drop on a printer but my advise always is if you cant afford that now then the P1S is the second best. The P1P is not worth buying these days.
@12:35
"Don't Waste Your Money" was a little harsh.
And they are a mile back with costumer service 😉
How, you raise a tickle in app and they reply within 24 hours on weekdays, and you always ah r your ticket open to chase it up?!
damn I just bought it after learning with my Ender 3, and I just wanna say its feels like a breeze to have it cause you spend more time making 3D models and printing than tinkering and fixing issues on the way.
Yep. Totally this xxx
This things a Porsche compared to my POS Ender 3
So true
A1 = crap built cheap
P1p = reliable corexy machine
Age hasn't slowed you down one bit
I actually think the P1P is completely pointless specially if you want the AMS because Bambu sell the P1S with AMS about £20 more than the P1P with AMS so your buying a printer without enclosure for nearly the same price. If it was a 200 Bucks cheaper than yeah they would sell loads of them and everyone Would build there own walls
Nobody purchased a premimum bambu labs machine to print the CRAP that come pre installed on the sd card.
Its a shame the A1 catches fire.
I own the P1S and have had it for about 10 days. I am frustrated with this printer. I wanted a plug and play rig, no fuss no muss and this printer was basically advertised as such. Well it isn’t. Nozzle changes are a pain to do. The user interface in studio and then one on the printer are total crap. The camera is a joke at .5fps which doesn’t allow real time monitoring. Just about everything advertised about this printer is total crap.
Ok, this is genuinely interesting.
How are you going about nozzle changes? it;s only 2 screws and pop one off, pop another on.
I hear you with the slow framerate of realtime monitoring, but are you still able to check for defects like stringing or other fails at this framerate?
What do you dislike about the interfaces?
I'm curious, have you tried many other 3D printers? becasue if this one is bad, please don;t touch any others. You will want to smash them
@@FauxHammer I hear you but sorry because Nozzle change require more than just removing 2 screws. At .5fps frame rate the camera is virtually useless for anything other than letting you know that the printer is engulfed in flames. P1S is heavily advertised as “it just works” plug and play etc. That just isn’t true. After much wasted filament and research I’ve managed to get a few decent print out inspite of the software interface and hardware getting in its own way. When applying text in the software it jumbles and stacks the text in weird and unpredictable ways unless the surface you’re placing it on is smooth and unfaceted. AMS input controls are finicky and don’t always work like they are supposed to in the software and for unknowns reasons forgets the setting it was put to. Privacy is a complete joke with this printer. If you “sort of” opt out you loose functionality that you paid for. I could go on and on but there’s no point. Those that are in love with this thing seem to think these issues and many other problems with it are acceptable because it’s not quite as bad as other printers and it’s just a right of passage. For a $1,000 (P1S combo) 3D printer all this plug and play garbage is false advertising or at least misleading advertising.
@@DennieSparkmancan you elaborate on the nozzle changing
Yeah the A1 killed the P1P , it should be phased out as the P1S is better in every way.
Bad company support ate you joking.
Its too bad that Bambu Labs support is non existent
Sorry, but are we even talking about the same company?
@@FauxHammer just to make sure, do they know who you are, or do you contact support as ordinary client?
@@FauxHammer 6 weeks... It took them to get back to me... I'm sorry but no matter how good their products are, support is just as important
well, software is a big shit .. printer is quite robust
what? is this a joke?
Hate clickbait, downvoted because of thumbnail....