Why not print the identical three towers on three or five machines (K2 Plus, X1C, MK4S, N4Max, SV08) and then put them side by side under the light? This would be more helpful if it had a reference.
I started printing in 2017, my first printer was a Tevo Tornado, 3d printing has come a long way and its because of competition. Bambu deserves credit for starting this new wave of machines and im glad that Creality is stepping up their game. These machines will keep getting better and better and isnt that what we all want.
I got a tevo tornado too, its still chugging along lol I want a new printer but hard to justify the cost when my current one still works albeit at a slower speed.
I started with a Tevo Tornado too. It was pretty good stock, but got amazing with a few upgrades. Loved that machine, but sold it a couple of years ago.
Been 3d printing for 7 years now and guess what I had a Tevo little monster it was a brilliant machine but sadly the motherboard burnt out and I couldn’t get another but one of the best printers I have had
I don't know why there's any hate (coming from a Bambu user). Creality made a good machine with the K2 Plus. I think lots of people have a bitter taste in their mouth from the Ender 3 days when nothing "just worked" (at least not for long) as printers these days are almost expected to do. We have to remember the X1C was released in 2022 so it's 2 years old at this point, plenty of time for the competition to catch up or even pass them in certain areas.
The Ender 3 just worked once calibrated, it isn't that hard. If you want to talk about awful printer experience, you need to go back in the Anet A8 hype day, That was an awful machine who barely worked.
I’m still waiting to see what Bambus next machine will before I decide what to get. Knowing my luck if I bought a K2 Bambu would come out with something like 4D printing the next day.
No one dislikes the ender 3... it was a great printer for it's time and the issues it comes with are expected at the price point. What annoyed me with Creality was the lack of innovation. They were charging more and more for printers with the same stupid design choices (like that shitty bowden extruder) Even the "high end/ industrial" Creality machines came with the same extruders and hot ends that their cheaper things had. Also, let's not forget that the flagship Creality printer before the bambu copycat trend was the freaking ender 7.
I'm of the "wait and see" mindset given Creality's history. Currently happy with my Bambu printers as they've been printing flawlessly since coming out of their boxes. Was pretty excited about the Qidi Plus 4 until the reports of smoking/burning boards started proliferating about a month after the launch and traunch of positive initial reviews. Glad to see Creality appears to be stepping up their game though.
Ill admit I am definitely a Bambu lab fanboy, but I'm excited to see companies like creality making great printers. When Bambu lab released the X1C I of course was excited for the company and their products, but also the kick in the butt that the 3d printing industry needed to advance the technology. And that is exactly what is happening, so I am very happy to see this competition.
It was fun seeing Aurora review the K2 Plus where she essentially concluded that the K2 Plus is always faster than the X1C and there is no real difference in print quality. Every time I saw a Bambu fan boy rebuttal attempt I imagined the angry NPC guy. 🙂 Bambu will be releasing a new product soon and I'm certain they haven't been resting on their laurels. 3D printers have gotten a lot better in just the last year.
Creality doesn't recommend to print lower than 0.2 mm in multi colour. That should be a joke for that price point. I can print with my A1 mini in 0.16mm or lower and some multi coloured prints even look better on that 356€ machine with the same layer height. Creality had good prices and okayish to good machines for the prices but that was the only thing. I said it from the beginning, wait for Bambus next printer and decide then. The K2 plus will be cheaper by then and other problems with the K2 will arrive in the meantime. Sorry, but this machine is and never was a Bambu Lab killer and I said it from the beginning. Especially when I heard that the input shaping is still bad and there were already fixes. if you only want to print in colour with 0.2mm or higher for that price, then go for it. I will buy myself a regular A1 for Christmas and decide next year which CoreXY. The Prusa seems sexy, but still the price man. At least they have a good MMU. Just fyi my first printer was a Creality and I learned a lot about printers and Klipper. But besides that everything was horrible. The hotend fan was already defective after two months. 😂
I have been considering buying the K2 Plus next year, and the Z banding on the last video really concerns me, but after comparing it to Bambu, it's more likely an common artifact on FFF process. Thanks for the effort to make it clear.
Excellent vid,,, Thx's for using the Harsh Light so we can see whats going on-. I think a lot of people don't fully understand the Speed vs Visual vs Strength -- because you can't have them all-/.
Hallo Natan i’m follow you from Italy like 2-3 years (sry for bad eng) you are my favorite 3d Printer youtuber also shout out to Aurora tech and the guys from Australia Keep teach us some tech
Thank you for the video and the info. I'm getting mine today and I'm so looking forward to using this, it looks amazing and will do everything I need from a printer. I'm glad to hear that on top of the large print volume, that the quality is also great.
Wow! What a great video!!! I've been printing for a long time and I'm very picky about print quality and accuracy. Those pipes are beautiful prints.. the best I've seen. Man, your channel is just so damn good. Packed with info and entertaining as well... nice job!
I'm not a Bambu fanboy, but I do own two Bambu printers and three Creality printers. In my 6 years of 3d printing experience, I've found both are phenomenal when new. However, my Creality printers ALWAYS require more maintenance as time passes. This includes - CR10S Pro, CR10, Ender 3, Ender 3 Pro, K1, and K1 Max. Contrarily, I bought a Bambu Lab X1C when it was brand new and it has required nothing more than routine maintenance like nozzle replacement, greasing rods, Bowden tube replacement, and snugging belts. The same has held true for my P1P.
I'm glad you like it. I honestly had already purchased one. Now I just need to learn how to use it, as it is my first 3d printer. Great video, very informative.
The z-band that occurs on the giant blue printer test object is caused by the material, not the printer. When a printer transitions from a layer with tons of geometry to one with significantly less geometry the temp of the layer that is being printed on changes quite a bit. It's cooler on the layer with lots of material and warms up in the smaller layer. The material will be expanded while warmer, and you get slightly different positioning. On parts with gradual transitions this often isn't visible. You see this a lot on parts with large flat horizontal surfaces and it happens right at the transition. Again, it's caused by the temp of the underlying layer when the next one goes down. The sure fire way to fix this would be to wait an exact amount of time for each layer so that the temp profiles are all consistent which would blow out your print time. Maybe a high chamber temp would help. I don't have an easy way to test this. Alternatively, something like fuzzy skin will hide the change from drawing the eye. Knowing where it is, you can still see it, but most people won't notice it with fuzzy skin.
The test print towers don't have the layer time change present, so it won't show up on those test prints. If you create a giant stair case along side the test tower it should show some differences. Large format printers with large parts are more likely to have such banding there is simply more build volume and higher variance in total layer print time between the neighboring layers.
Thank you for the additional tests and information. I have ordered the printer and this information was important to me as this printer will replace my problematic large format bed slinger from the ocean.
The prints aren't... Horrible? Bed wobble does not seem to be a major issue, so that's good. There were definitely noticeable VFA across the entirety of each print. It's definitely not the worst quality from a stock printer, but I can't say I'd be singing its praises this high. My Plus4 produces far fewer VFA with seemingly better layer stacking and less Z-banding, though it is a bit smaller. I do completely agree that showing most prints in harsh lighting will make them look bad, and most reviewers simply don't do it, but there are flaws here.
The fact a machine can heat up plastic and lay it with precision to me is still magic. Stand back and look at whatever is made. Will look fine. Same for powder coating.
the main thing is that creality is open source while bambu is closed source so some people get really caught up in fighting others over this at least that's the only valid point i seen in the creality vs bambu fights
Looks like the K2 Plus prints really well from your tests! I'm excited to get my machine and see how it performs. Any chance you'd try a similar test on an FLsun machine? I’m also curious if you’ve got any S1 Pro test videos coming up-would love to see how that one stacks up!
You should rename your channel to: "Nathan chills Creality" 🤣🤣🤣 Since I haven't seen any robots for a good long while 😜 Nice printer! And thanks for all the content.
OMG! As a multi Bambu Lab user i feel hurt and need to find my safe space from how great this other company is doing... LOL Can't wait to get my K2 Plus from the pre-order. 😀 Great video!
The extra long melt zone seems to make a significant difference Side note, I've noticed many filament brands are falling off in quality. Once you remove z-banding as an issue you will quickly notice inconsistent filament and uneven flow from basic motion variances. It used to be 'cheap' brands or generic filament were +/- 0.05mm but now many "+/- 0.02mm" measure about +/- 0.04mm. Just picked up some ABS+ High Speed from Micro Center and noticed they are at least honest about it and show +/- 0.05mm advertised, and it shows on a print i did today 😅(HGX lite extruder with a Micro Swiss CM2 Volcano nozzle)
I’d really prefer some honest printer reviews without all the “us vs. them” shit, Nathan. You can ignore the toxic comments if you want to. Comparisons are appropriate but I gotta start skipping your videos if you keep fanning these pointless flames.
I 100% agree! I mostly skip his videos now because of the toxic negativity, which is a shame because he could potentially produce some good content different from all the other channels. He's always on about the Bambu fanbois but in reality he is the one that's butt hurt and won't let it go.
For that reason I unsubscribed from this channel, I just stumbled on this video while looking for the K2. I'm not a Bambu fan but I do acknowledge that they shook up the market which nodded off and to be fait, they make damn good printers, I've seen it first hand. Thing is I like printing as much as tinkering with printers. My Creality Ender 3v2 is modded so much, the quality is as good or better than any stock Bambu or Creality albeit 5 times slower. But I don's like these flames as well!
If you look in the Timelapse for the large blue print, the scores are running very true, so I don’t think they are introducing much wobble to the system
@@NathanBuildsRobots It's true. I only suggested it because MirageC has thrown a ton of research time into this and WobbleX can reduce those VFAs from systems with stiff linear guides like the K2 has. If something like WobbleX removed potential Z Screw wobble from the system, then it would be easy to point at the Extruder. (It's probably the extruder anyway, if you've seen his videos on the subject)
I waited to see if I wanted to buy the Creality K1 Max, and ultimately didn't. The K2 Plus looks much better out of the gate, but waiting is smart. However, as the song says, waiting is the hardest part.
K2 plus will certainly be the next printer I get. Love my K1 Max. Had issues with VFA's, then found it was from one of the belts being slightly longer than the other when doing my first belt change, causing the gantry to be of slightly. Since the belt change, everything is so much better. Does PA6-CF and ASA parts really well, especially with a modified insulated chamber, but the K2 having a heated chamber is really nice, as well as the AMS. I backed Co-Prints Chroma kit, and just got it in last week for my K1 Max and Neptune 4 Plus, but yet to get it working. Creality did a good job with the K2 in my opinion, and pretty much everything I want in a consumer grade printer.
Thank you Nathan for this video. I have seen video with much worse print quality. There might be also issues in quality of manufactoring of printer. Especially first line of the printers. But in general structural point of view, it would be better to have 3 level screws for Z-axle. It is wonder why Creality decided to do it with only two? I my opinion there should not be any bedsligers any more, because we all know there is few mechanical and dynamical issues with them. Last night I assembled TTS 450 Pro cnc router. I checked all axis tolerances before installation and thighten all the screws in the frame. So I can expect it should be in good tolerances. Maybe those who have issues with this printer, need to check that everything is in line, squere and tight. True professional can admit when he is wrong and say it. Or say sorry, I was wrong. This is the only way to really produce something respected results.
I personally do look at prints under single point lighting, but only during the initial calibration of a filament and occasionally on a spot check to see if anything is wearing out or if the printer is due a premature lube.
This is a bold statement to make, considering that reality is the one who laid the foundation for most 3D printers that have hit the market. All these 3D printers are the offspring of Creality. Haha, argue with yourself. 3D printing was originally intended for DIY enthusiasts. However, technology evolves daily, and it seems like a company is being unfairly criticized for upgrading its technology when someone essentially copied their platform. They made some improvements, and Bambu has only been in the market for about two years, while Creality has been in this industry for quite some time. This is the kind of treatment they receive!😂😂Wow
Good on Creality for making a solid high end machine. I'm waiting to see if the latest Ender 3 variants continue to stay solid after 6 months, and if so then I'll be happy they are stepping up to what is expected of a modern lower level FDM printer. Wheee!
I have bambu labs both X1C, P1S, and A1, but I also have Voron Tridents, V2s and even a v0.2 and even a modified Sovol SV06, I can certainly comment on the print quality that you show in your vid, and I watched some others as well, Z banding and vfas can be tuned out or corrected if you know what you are doing, however the wavy artifacts, and ghosting is my problem with what has been shown so far. Coming from a Voron background and being used to that quality of printing, I can say those prints are unacceptable as far as I am concerned.
Widać jak próbuje naprawić fatalną opinię wydaną we wcześniejszym filmie, w którym pokazał prawdziwa jakość tej drukarki. Coś w stylu- tak, pokazałem jak bardzo źle drukuje K2, ale to nie tak. To wina światła, aparatu...gwiazd, Pokemonów i Yeti. Dostałem za darmo drukarkę od Creality, które się wściekło, że im psuję sprzedaż i teraz wam pokażę, że można zmienić zdanie. Jest wspaniale! Ta drukarka już dzisiaj się naprawiła i drukuje super! Gówno prawda! Żałosne.....
@@anthonylong5870Zaufać komuś, kto wydaje opinię o produkcie, który dostał w prezencie. Ale to, jak Piszesz to geniusz jest.....On wie najlepiej. Nie ten inny, głupi, który ma K2, K1, Sovol, Bambulab i widzi jaka jest prawda.
The z-banding is the material, not the printer. When you have large horizontal geometry changes that cross clean vertical walls, the layer time will vary significantly and you'll be printing on a cool layer, then a warmer layer (or vice versa) and the natural expansion of the material on the warm layer will cause it to print slightly differently than the cool layers. I'm not aware of any slicer that can compensate for this. I have my doubts about claiming that a Voron doesn't exhibit this unless it's incredibly slow making the per-layer time more uniform in general. Chamber heating is probably the only printer setting that could mitigate it. I think more printing speed is magnifying it as a print issue. I don't like the ghosting wavy artifacts either and consider them unacceptable. This is an input shaping/speed issue. As the build plate lowers in the build volume the center of mass of the system changes. The calibration changes in subtle ways and I often see the ghosting magnified with tall prints. It will be almost non-existent at the base and horrible near the top of the print volume. I can observe it getting worse going up the print. Those uniform towers won't exhibit it much without detailed geometry going up the print volume. Perhaps input shaping needs additional refinement for different build plate locations and a height gradient based calibration profile instead of a single profile. In my experience, the best way to get cleaner prints with these fast machines is to simply slow them way down. I cut the speed and acceleration in half, and go down to 50 mm/s in critical areas. That gets me much cleaner prints.
Hi Nathan Would you be willing to test the auto Z offset for higher temps? When I try to print ASA with calibration and the bed at 105C and chamber at 60 the first layer is so crazy low that the bed blocks the nozzle opening the extruder grinds on the filament and the result is an extruder jam and printing in mid air This happens with any part that is large enough for the extruder to have time to grind down the filament It seems to be temperature dependent and PLA/PETG works fine I think it’s unacceptable for a printer with a heated chamber to not be able to print large ASA parts
I have three Creality printers (3 Pro and two 5 Pros) and love them. I’ll probably get a K2 or K1 for my next one. Not a fanboy, but I appreciate the open source aspect as of my printer fun is modding and upgrading the printers.
Very Well Shown. Great Job. I really think the K2Plus is going to be the leader in a large format heated multicolor printer for the next year or until somebody can build a new model to overtake it. I just wish Creality would list all their parts for their printers on their website. They really need to work on that. I also wish they would quit wasting their time trying to make their own slicer. Just focus on building the best machines that they can. There is a reason its cheaper , larger and has more features than Bamboo but I think Creality has finally gotten to a better place in quality. (I hope)
Great review and nice to get some claryfication about this! I was just on my way to order the X1C for my 3d business, when your reviews about the K2+ started rolling out, and made me curious. Currently running 2 CR10's with klipper and was looking for the next multi color upgrade. So looking forward to see more about this one, before I make an order myself! Also Nathan, didn't know you were such a ninja! Second channel incoming? xD
My LG C2 TV is struggling with all those contrast heavy parallel lines… sometimes to the point where the artifacts I’m seeing are on my display, not the print lol
Looks really promising to me. As someone who has only owned Creality printers, I too was skeptical that they'd pull this off. If I was in the market for a larger multi-material printer, I'd pick this up. Hopefully I'll be able to if the price comes down.
That is a tough choice. I’d prefer the prusa for most things, but it is a smaller printer. If you need size, K2. If you want long term reliability and upgradability, prusa sounds like the better bet.
Nathan, tell them to fix the crappy app and bring it to par with the quality of this printer. That is one of the issues why I am still holding for the bambu XL.
I never use apps or cloud stuff. Sounds like the bambu system is pretty good for that. Creality and PRUSA also have apps, but I haven’t used any of them
Just got a lot of emotional damage from k1c and previous days of getting something from creality to get working where Bambu Labs gets it out of the box. I'm very happy with this video and to see creality got it right this time.
I have a K1 Max that I really like. Did it have a few “birthing pains”, yes but nothing terrible and the issues were easily solved. I almost always print with 3 layer walls. I find that I get the best results printing from the inside out. It would be interesting to print some tests building the walls from the outside in. Also, two layer walls might be informative as well. I’m not asking you to do any tests like these, but I think the K2 could handle them as well as any other affordable FDM printer. I participated in the pre-sale offering during the summer. I am just anxiously awaiting its arrival in the US. I agreed that your torture tests were a good representation of what the machine is capable of producing. Thanks!
Excellent video detailing beyond real world performance. I am a fanboy of truth and of open source not of any product or person. Good call out of the whiners. The more I see of the facts on all printers the closer I come to buying a K2 Plus. Keep up the good, unvarnished and honest reviews.
One thing I also noticed was that they've shipped insanely fast. I think I ordered one like last friday or thursday or something and it arrived in like a week. I wasn't even expecting it until mid-december but it already arrived.
What I can't understand is why companies don't start implementing "Active Bed Leveling" (where you have 3 leadscrew/motor pairs operating independently to each other, and the bed has mechanisms in place to allow it to tilt to compensate for offsets - I know it probs isn't called that, but I can't remember the proper name for it). I know it's a mod Voron enthusiasts have access to and I myself have the Hydra conversion on my ender 5+ Mercury build. It's super stable due to having that 3 points of contact, extremely accurate and is only a couple of lines of trig code to implement (since auto bed leveling already uses a coordinate system to plot reference points, it simply calculates differentials in respect to each motor to determine which one needs to adjust it's Z height). The extra power consumption, processing, time spent in operation or even additional unit weight aren't really substantial enough to justify a lack of OEM implementation, especially when bambu and creality have already used tri-leadscrew setups in their bed before.
Should the z wobble artifact be more noticeable if there is an heavy object in front of the heatbed? In other words if the center of gravity is far away from the center of the bed and not aligned with the 2 rods.
Maybe, it’s possible that fast z hops on retraction could set up a small oscillation in the bed if you had a super heavy print offset from the center. But honestly that’s a pretty rare use case. 90% of the time the center of mass of a printed tray is within a 1 inch radius of the center of the bed.
@NathanBuildsRobots okay, I get the idea 👌. I have an x1c and I was waiting for a larger printer bed, this one convince me enough, but I still will wait the release of the new bambu printer coming Q1 2025 and then I will choose one of them.
What about all the CE certificate talk? Does the K2 Plus has a CE sign on it? And I don't mean the fake "Chinese Export" CE sign. This would be critical for the printer's commercial use (at least in Europe).
Maybe somebody that has used new creality products (K1, E3V3) how is the reliability on those machines? in my experience Creality products work great for first couple of months and then it starts to break down, at least with my E3S1 was like that.
I'm relatively new to 3d printing, so, no real bias to any brand. I have a K1c (my first printer) and love it. It's been flawless. I wanted something with a larger build plate, so bought the Sovol sv08. After dealing with some minor issues, that arguably the manufacturer should have dealt with, it's been a solid performer. I placed my order for the K2 as soon as they opened it up and am now just waiting for delivery (early December I believe) as I want a multi material/color capable printer and why not buy one with a big build plate. Can't wait.
I know it's brand new, but it's still too expensive. It's a great value compared to the x1 Carbon, but they need to close the price gap, and It'll be a no-brainer with the build volume. Something closer to a grand would be nice.
I'd expect a prime/purge/wipe tower to over extrude a bit and leading to more layer inconsistency on a sacrificial piece. Gonna need an Ender3v2 test print for the ultimate benchmark.
purge block is funky because of input shaping. small rounding in max speed to esteps adds a tiny offset between layers. offset difference overflows eventually and resets. the os doesn't care enough to add small esteps to make the purge tower perfect....mostly cause it's a garbage piece and speed is king.
So unless im mistaken and please, if i am let me know, but the purge block is meant for exactly that right? To purge extra filament from the nozzle so the actual print has very little, if any, banding?
I wonder how this channel would have evolved if he got a free bambu printer ? I dont come here for the technical info as he knows pretty much none but entertainment value is superb. Keep up!
@@mynameisben123 I did not say anything wrong with this video at all... I meant his videos do not provide me any informational benefit as there are very little knowledge driven information but entertainment value is superb, like old SNL days ... You have to understand this one if you still can not get what I said, I can not reword it any other way :)
Great review, Natan! I have a question: do you have any information about the possibility of using the CFS system on the K1 printers? Also, based on what Creality developed and improved in the K2, do you think these enhancements could be implemented on the K1, either through updates or some kind of upgrade?
You’d need to replace the whole Printhead. It’s doable, I can ask them about their plans for that. I’ll be able to talk to them at Formnext is a few days
I think the problem is, Creality have had a lot of issues in the past with poor printers (The only reason my CRF10-S5 didn't go out of the window is it wouldn't fit!) and its a case of once bitten, twice shy. Whereas bambu came along and got a really good printer on the first try. Its like Creality have broken trust and it'll take a bit to get that back. I've been tempted with the K range (I have a bambu) and about the only issue I have is the noise. I need to see one in person I think.
My first 3D Printer was an ender 3 v2. I have been using it for 2 years now. I did not really have any issues with it. I have done a few things to it. Auto bed leveling, belt synced dual z lead screws with only one stepper motor. I would say the biggest print quality difference was the dual lead screws and POM lead nuts. The ABL was just a quality of life upgrade it really didn’t make the prints any better. I love my little ender 3. I just want a printer for larger sizes with exotic filament. I was looking at the Qidi X-Max-3 but the option for multi color is my interest in the K2.
Anytime you get a Creality printer you will have to tinker with it to get it how you want but compared to the OG Ender 3 days, it's a cake walk in comparison! Half of the OG ender 3 videos I saw were mod videos! I am loving my K1 SE but now my heavily modded OG Ender 3 is collecting dust now which kinda makes me sad. I've gotten emotionally attached to my Ender 3 but it's just taking up space... Almost have enough parts to make another ender 3 (was going to until the K1 SE dropped) but maybe I might turn it into a core XY at some point.
Why not print the identical three towers on three or five machines (K2 Plus, X1C, MK4S, N4Max, SV08) and then put them side by side under the light? This would be more helpful if it had a reference.
This would require that he poesses all these machines you mentioned.
That's what Aurora did
Deal! Bambu can you send me an X1C?
K, thanks, bye 👋
that would be impartial test right ? that would happen for sure...
@@NathanBuildsRobots just buy it.
I see more artifacts on Nathan's face than those test towers, and I have no complaints about either.
I started printing in 2017, my first printer was a Tevo Tornado, 3d printing has come a long way and its because of competition. Bambu deserves credit for starting this new wave of machines and im glad that Creality is stepping up their game. These machines will keep getting better and better and isnt that what we all want.
I got a tevo tornado too, its still chugging along lol
I want a new printer but hard to justify the cost when my current one still works albeit at a slower speed.
@ props to you for still running yours, I had to retire mine a few years ago, it went through a lot from me being a newbie
I started with a Tevo Tornado too. It was pretty good stock, but got amazing with a few upgrades. Loved that machine, but sold it a couple of years ago.
I had a Tevo Tarantula
Been 3d printing for 7 years now and guess what I had a Tevo little monster it was a brilliant machine but sadly the motherboard burnt out and I couldn’t get another but one of the best printers I have had
I didn't even have the bell icon on - I just search K2 Plus a little too often. Thanks for the continued testing.
Put it on. Doesn't disappoint.
@@IvanJoel just did!
Just ordered a K2 Plus. Appreciate the video! Excited for my delivery.
Holy shmolly what are you doing here? I hope you and your family is doing well!
I can't wait for your Prusa Core One review!
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I don't know why there's any hate (coming from a Bambu user). Creality made a good machine with the K2 Plus. I think lots of people have a bitter taste in their mouth from the Ender 3 days when nothing "just worked" (at least not for long) as printers these days are almost expected to do. We have to remember the X1C was released in 2022 so it's 2 years old at this point, plenty of time for the competition to catch up or even pass them in certain areas.
There's not really much, if any actual hate. Content creators love to play it up to drive engagement. It's like Fox News, but with 3d printers.
The Ender 3 just worked once calibrated, it isn't that hard.
If you want to talk about awful printer experience, you need to go back in the Anet A8 hype day, That was an awful machine who barely worked.
I’m still waiting to see what Bambus next machine will before I decide what to get. Knowing my luck if I bought a K2 Bambu would come out with something like 4D printing the next day.
Finally a level headed Bambu user. Well said post
No one dislikes the ender 3... it was a great printer for it's time and the issues it comes with are expected at the price point. What annoyed me with Creality was the lack of innovation. They were charging more and more for printers with the same stupid design choices (like that shitty bowden extruder) Even the "high end/ industrial" Creality machines came with the same extruders and hot ends that their cheaper things had. Also, let's not forget that the flagship Creality printer before the bambu copycat trend was the freaking ender 7.
Oh No! You did not just say the iPhone has an inferior camera and excessively hard digital sharpening!!
Now all the Apple fanboyz will come for you 😅😂
And they are almost as bad as Mac users
@@JonLinde compare to other phones on the market it does have weaker cameras.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a big overlap between Apple fanboys and Bambu Lab fanboys.
@@nekrosoft13
I agree, but don't say that out loud. The fruit zombies might hear you too
@@andreas.grundler Honestly, it's a very bad shortcut and a lot of bad faith
I'm of the "wait and see" mindset given Creality's history. Currently happy with my Bambu printers as they've been printing flawlessly since coming out of their boxes. Was pretty excited about the Qidi Plus 4 until the reports of smoking/burning boards started proliferating about a month after the launch and traunch of positive initial reviews. Glad to see Creality appears to be stepping up their game though.
Seems i remember some Bambu's "smoking and burning" just a few months ago 😂
Ill admit I am definitely a Bambu lab fanboy, but I'm excited to see companies like creality making great printers. When Bambu lab released the X1C I of course was excited for the company and their products, but also the kick in the butt that the 3d printing industry needed to advance the technology. And that is exactly what is happening, so I am very happy to see this competition.
It was fun seeing Aurora review the K2 Plus where she essentially concluded that the K2 Plus is always faster than the X1C and there is no real difference in print quality. Every time I saw a Bambu fan boy rebuttal attempt I imagined the angry NPC guy. 🙂 Bambu will be releasing a new product soon and I'm certain they haven't been resting on their laurels. 3D printers have gotten a lot better in just the last year.
Creality doesn't recommend to print lower than 0.2 mm in multi colour. That should be a joke for that price point. I can print with my A1 mini in 0.16mm or lower and some multi coloured prints even look better on that 356€ machine with the same layer height.
Creality had good prices and okayish to good machines for the prices but that was the only thing.
I said it from the beginning, wait for Bambus next printer and decide then. The K2 plus will be cheaper by then and other problems with the K2 will arrive in the meantime. Sorry, but this machine is and never was a Bambu Lab killer and I said it from the beginning. Especially when I heard that the input shaping is still bad and there were already fixes. if you only want to print in colour with 0.2mm or higher for that price, then go for it. I will buy myself a regular A1 for Christmas and decide next year which CoreXY. The Prusa seems sexy, but still the price man. At least they have a good MMU.
Just fyi my first printer was a Creality and I learned a lot about printers and Klipper. But besides that everything was horrible. The hotend fan was already defective after two months. 😂
@@Liberty4Ever Bambu fanboys are angry bitter bunch.
It has been fun watching her grow over these years, I enjoy her reviews.
@@nekrosoft13 cope bud
@@mettscientist it prints pretty well below 0.2 mm tho lol
My K2 arrives tomorrow. Hopefully my unit does that well. Love the videos!
When did you order? Did you manage to get the first round of preorder?
@ I was blessed to get one for 50% off. I just got the “free” gifts yesterday.
Hi it's me, tomorrow
@@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Did you get one too?
@@DaleEarnhardtsSeatbelt Or do you work at FedEx? 😂
I have been considering buying the K2 Plus next year, and the Z banding on the last video really concerns me, but after comparing it to Bambu, it's more likely an common artifact on FFF process. Thanks for the effort to make it clear.
Excellent vid,,, Thx's for using the Harsh Light so we can see whats going on-.
I think a lot of people don't fully understand the Speed vs Visual vs Strength -- because you can't have them all-/.
Hallo Natan i’m follow you from Italy like 2-3 years (sry for bad eng) you are my favorite 3d Printer youtuber also shout out to Aurora tech and the guys from Australia
Keep teach us some tech
Thank you for the video and the info. I'm getting mine today and I'm so looking forward to using this, it looks amazing and will do everything I need from a printer. I'm glad to hear that on top of the large print volume, that the quality is also great.
Fanboyism is bad.
Shilling is bad.
Calling out companies is good.
Competition is good.
i totally agree, yet the fanboys of both sides will call you out for that opinion too. ;)
You forgot bias review is bad.
some humor is ok IMO
@@thecsucihai and hidden sponsored reviews even more bad
agree, just show/compare and make things better for EVERYONE.
Wow! What a great video!!! I've been printing for a long time and I'm very picky about print quality and accuracy. Those pipes are beautiful prints.. the best I've seen. Man, your channel is just so damn good. Packed with info and entertaining as well... nice job!
I'm not a Bambu fanboy, but I do own two Bambu printers and three Creality printers. In my 6 years of 3d printing experience, I've found both are phenomenal when new. However, my Creality printers ALWAYS require more maintenance as time passes. This includes - CR10S Pro, CR10, Ender 3, Ender 3 Pro, K1, and K1 Max. Contrarily, I bought a Bambu Lab X1C when it was brand new and it has required nothing more than routine maintenance like nozzle replacement, greasing rods, Bowden tube replacement, and snugging belts. The same has held true for my P1P.
I'm glad you like it. I honestly had already purchased one. Now I just need to learn how to use it, as it is my first 3d printer. Great video, very informative.
Thanks!
" ... if you look at this block, like a normal human being ... "
I refuse!
I got started with Creality, and I still own them as well as a couple Bambu Lab units. I love my K1 Max.
Good job Nathan!
Gonna test the new Prusa core XY printer?
Thanks for the closeups. Looks like great quality prints.
Have mine on the way and your videos have me pretty stoked.
The z-band that occurs on the giant blue printer test object is caused by the material, not the printer. When a printer transitions from a layer with tons of geometry to one with significantly less geometry the temp of the layer that is being printed on changes quite a bit.
It's cooler on the layer with lots of material and warms up in the smaller layer. The material will be expanded while warmer, and you get slightly different positioning. On parts with gradual transitions this often isn't visible.
You see this a lot on parts with large flat horizontal surfaces and it happens right at the transition. Again, it's caused by the temp of the underlying layer when the next one goes down.
The sure fire way to fix this would be to wait an exact amount of time for each layer so that the temp profiles are all consistent which would blow out your print time.
Maybe a high chamber temp would help. I don't have an easy way to test this.
Alternatively, something like fuzzy skin will hide the change from drawing the eye. Knowing where it is, you can still see it, but most people won't notice it with fuzzy skin.
The test print towers don't have the layer time change present, so it won't show up on those test prints.
If you create a giant stair case along side the test tower it should show some differences.
Large format printers with large parts are more likely to have such banding there is simply more build volume and higher variance in total layer print time between the neighboring layers.
Thank you for the additional tests and information. I have ordered the printer and this information was important to me as this printer will replace my problematic large format bed slinger from the ocean.
Thanks Nathan, great review as always.
Guess what my next printer is going to be 😊
The prints aren't... Horrible? Bed wobble does not seem to be a major issue, so that's good. There were definitely noticeable VFA across the entirety of each print. It's definitely not the worst quality from a stock printer, but I can't say I'd be singing its praises this high. My Plus4 produces far fewer VFA with seemingly better layer stacking and less Z-banding, though it is a bit smaller. I do completely agree that showing most prints in harsh lighting will make them look bad, and most reviewers simply don't do it, but there are flaws here.
Qidis generally have very good print quality, high speed and good size/features. A lot to like there
The fact a machine can heat up plastic and lay it with precision to me is still magic. Stand back and look at whatever is made. Will look fine. Same for powder coating.
Appreciate the ongoing research
i dont get the Printer wars between Bambu and Creality, but here we are
Welcome to the internet! 😀
@@Liberty4Ever and I thought the console wars were petty
the main thing is that creality is open source while bambu is closed source so some people get really caught up in fighting others over this
at least that's the only valid point i seen in the creality vs bambu fights
It's mostly Bambu users, like congrats on using an idiot proof printer and thinking you're the shit lol.
But here you are throwing the rock childish mentality 😅@@krollmond7544
Looks like the K2 Plus prints really well from your tests! I'm excited to get my machine and see how it performs. Any chance you'd try a similar test on an FLsun machine? I’m also curious if you’ve got any S1 Pro test videos coming up-would love to see how that one stacks up!
You should rename your channel to: "Nathan chills Creality" 🤣🤣🤣 Since I haven't seen any robots for a good long while 😜
Nice printer! And thanks for all the content.
The title had me worried there as I ordered a K2 after your review :)
- Prusa Mk4 + BBL A1 owner
OMG! As a multi Bambu Lab user i feel hurt and need to find my safe space from how great this other company is doing... LOL Can't wait to get my K2 Plus from the pre-order. 😀 Great video!
The extra long melt zone seems to make a significant difference
Side note, I've noticed many filament brands are falling off in quality. Once you remove z-banding as an issue you will quickly notice inconsistent filament and uneven flow from basic motion variances. It used to be 'cheap' brands or generic filament were +/- 0.05mm but now many "+/- 0.02mm" measure about +/- 0.04mm. Just picked up some ABS+ High Speed from Micro Center and noticed they are at least honest about it and show +/- 0.05mm advertised, and it shows on a print i did today 😅(HGX lite extruder with a Micro Swiss CM2 Volcano nozzle)
Having these companies competing has only brought us better machines and better software in record time. Thats the best
I’d really prefer some honest printer reviews without all the “us vs. them” shit, Nathan. You can ignore the toxic comments if you want to. Comparisons are appropriate but I gotta start skipping your videos if you keep fanning these pointless flames.
I 100% agree! I mostly skip his videos now because of the toxic negativity, which is a shame because he could potentially produce some good content different from all the other channels. He's always on about the Bambu fanbois but in reality he is the one that's butt hurt and won't let it go.
For that reason I unsubscribed from this channel, I just stumbled on this video while looking for the K2. I'm not a Bambu fan but I do acknowledge that they shook up the market which nodded off and to be fait, they make damn good printers, I've seen it first hand. Thing is I like printing as much as tinkering with printers. My Creality Ender 3v2 is modded so much, the quality is as good or better than any stock Bambu or Creality albeit 5 times slower.
But I don's like these flames as well!
This channel is cooked man, 0 accountability
I wonder what would happen if you added WobbleX to those leadscrews...
If you look in the Timelapse for the large blue print, the scores are running very true, so I don’t think they are introducing much wobble to the system
@@NathanBuildsRobots It's true. I only suggested it because MirageC has thrown a ton of research time into this and WobbleX can reduce those VFAs from systems with stiff linear guides like the K2 has. If something like WobbleX removed potential Z Screw wobble from the system, then it would be easy to point at the Extruder. (It's probably the extruder anyway, if you've seen his videos on the subject)
It's comedy & product view all in one video! I feel bad for the Bambo boys. Your very tough on them.
Creality deserves credit were credit is due. They have done a lot to the 3d printer market.
If you squint just right while watching this video you can see a man far too pleased with his new 3D printer.
I am just salivating over one, but i have to wait too see how they perform longer term.
I waited to see if I wanted to buy the Creality K1 Max, and ultimately didn't. The K2 Plus looks much better out of the gate, but waiting is smart. However, as the song says, waiting is the hardest part.
K2 plus will certainly be the next printer I get. Love my K1 Max. Had issues with VFA's, then found it was from one of the belts being slightly longer than the other when doing my first belt change, causing the gantry to be of slightly. Since the belt change, everything is so much better. Does PA6-CF and ASA parts really well, especially with a modified insulated chamber, but the K2 having a heated chamber is really nice, as well as the AMS. I backed Co-Prints Chroma kit, and just got it in last week for my K1 Max and Neptune 4 Plus, but yet to get it working. Creality did a good job with the K2 in my opinion, and pretty much everything I want in a consumer grade printer.
Cant wait for it to arrive.
Thank you Nathan for this video. I have seen video with much worse print quality. There might be also issues in quality of manufactoring of printer. Especially first line of the printers. But in general structural point of view, it would be better to have 3 level screws for Z-axle. It is wonder why Creality decided to do it with only two? I my opinion there should not be any bedsligers any more, because we all know there is few mechanical and dynamical issues with them. Last night I assembled TTS 450 Pro cnc router. I checked all axis tolerances before installation and thighten all the screws in the frame. So I can expect it should be in good tolerances. Maybe those who have issues with this printer, need to check that everything is in line, squere and tight. True professional can admit when he is wrong and say it. Or say sorry, I was wrong. This is the only way to really produce something respected results.
I personally do look at prints under single point lighting, but only during the initial calibration of a filament and occasionally on a spot check to see if anything is wearing out or if the printer is due a premature lube.
IMHO, longevity matters. But it's good to see that all is good 'outa the box'. Thanks for the thorough info.
Love mine , CFS sucks as of now , as can't do filament changes without filament getting stuck , hope they come up with a fix for that
Personally I think they look amazing
Thank you Bambu Lab for teaching Creality how to build a better 3D printer. If it wasn't for BL K2 would not have been possible.
This is a bold statement to make, considering that reality is the one who laid the foundation for most 3D printers that have hit the market. All these 3D printers are the offspring of Creality. Haha, argue with yourself. 3D printing was originally intended for DIY enthusiasts. However, technology evolves daily, and it seems like a company is being unfairly criticized for upgrading its technology when someone essentially copied their platform. They made some improvements, and Bambu has only been in the market for about two years, while Creality has been in this industry for quite some time. This is the kind of treatment they receive!😂😂Wow
BS Bambu stole everything inside their machines...Why dont you thank PRUSA and Stratasys!
- Heated chamber ?
- Filament dryer ?
- Does it print TPU with it AMS ?
60°C heated chamber it's
@@crusader-hcq Good thank you, anything else on the other stuff ?
Good on Creality for making a solid high end machine. I'm waiting to see if the latest Ender 3 variants continue to stay solid after 6 months, and if so then I'll be happy they are stepping up to what is expected of a modern lower level FDM printer. Wheee!
I have bambu labs both X1C, P1S, and A1, but I also have Voron Tridents, V2s and even a v0.2 and even a modified Sovol SV06, I can certainly comment on the print quality that you show in your vid, and I watched some others as well, Z banding and vfas can be tuned out or corrected if you know what you are doing, however the wavy artifacts, and ghosting is my problem with what has been shown so far. Coming from a Voron background and being used to that quality of printing, I can say those prints are unacceptable as far as I am concerned.
Hes a robotic engineer and pretty close to a mechanical genius...I would trust Nathan over some rando self proclaimed printing expert....😅
Widać jak próbuje naprawić fatalną opinię wydaną we wcześniejszym filmie, w którym pokazał prawdziwa jakość tej drukarki.
Coś w stylu- tak, pokazałem jak bardzo źle drukuje K2, ale to nie tak. To wina światła, aparatu...gwiazd, Pokemonów i Yeti.
Dostałem za darmo drukarkę od Creality, które się wściekło, że im psuję sprzedaż i teraz wam pokażę, że można zmienić zdanie.
Jest wspaniale! Ta drukarka już dzisiaj się naprawiła i drukuje super!
Gówno prawda!
Żałosne.....
@@anthonylong5870Zaufać komuś, kto wydaje opinię o produkcie, który dostał w prezencie.
Ale to, jak Piszesz to geniusz jest.....On wie najlepiej.
Nie ten inny, głupi, który ma K2, K1, Sovol, Bambulab i widzi jaka jest prawda.
The z-banding is the material, not the printer. When you have large horizontal geometry changes that cross clean vertical walls, the layer time will vary significantly and you'll be printing on a cool layer, then a warmer layer (or vice versa) and the natural expansion of the material on the warm layer will cause it to print slightly differently than the cool layers. I'm not aware of any slicer that can compensate for this. I have my doubts about claiming that a Voron doesn't exhibit this unless it's incredibly slow making the per-layer time more uniform in general. Chamber heating is probably the only printer setting that could mitigate it. I think more printing speed is magnifying it as a print issue.
I don't like the ghosting wavy artifacts either and consider them unacceptable. This is an input shaping/speed issue. As the build plate lowers in the build volume the center of mass of the system changes. The calibration changes in subtle ways and I often see the ghosting magnified with tall prints. It will be almost non-existent at the base and horrible near the top of the print volume. I can observe it getting worse going up the print. Those uniform towers won't exhibit it much without detailed geometry going up the print volume.
Perhaps input shaping needs additional refinement for different build plate locations and a height gradient based calibration profile instead of a single profile.
In my experience, the best way to get cleaner prints with these fast machines is to simply slow them way down. I cut the speed and acceleration in half, and go down to 50 mm/s in critical areas. That gets me much cleaner prints.
Hi Nathan
Would you be willing to test the auto Z offset for higher temps? When I try to print ASA with calibration and the bed at 105C and chamber at 60 the first layer is so crazy low that the bed blocks the nozzle opening the extruder grinds on the filament and the result is an extruder jam and printing in mid air
This happens with any part that is large enough for the extruder to have time to grind down the filament
It seems to be temperature dependent and PLA/PETG works fine
I think it’s unacceptable for a printer with a heated chamber to not be able to print large ASA parts
I have three Creality printers (3 Pro and two 5 Pros) and love them. I’ll probably get a K2 or K1 for my next one. Not a fanboy, but I appreciate the open source aspect as of my printer fun is modding and upgrading the printers.
How long did you say you worked for Creality?
@ they are inexpensive and great if you like to tinker with them. If I just wanted reliably good prints, I’d probably buy Bambu Labs or Prusa.
Very Well Shown. Great Job. I really think the K2Plus is going to be the leader in a large format heated multicolor printer for the next year or until somebody can build a new model to overtake it. I just wish Creality would list all their parts for their printers on their website. They really need to work on that. I also wish they would quit wasting their time trying to make their own slicer. Just focus on building the best machines that they can. There is a reason its cheaper , larger and has more features than Bamboo but I think Creality has finally gotten to a better place in quality. (I hope)
Great review and nice to get some claryfication about this! I was just on my way to order the X1C for my 3d business, when your reviews about the K2+ started rolling out, and made me curious. Currently running 2 CR10's with klipper and was looking for the next multi color upgrade. So looking forward to see more about this one, before I make an order myself!
Also Nathan, didn't know you were such a ninja! Second channel incoming? xD
My LG C2 TV is struggling with all those contrast heavy parallel lines… sometimes to the point where the artifacts I’m seeing are on my display, not the print lol
Looks really promising to me. As someone who has only owned Creality printers, I too was skeptical that they'd pull this off. If I was in the market for a larger multi-material printer, I'd pick this up. Hopefully I'll be able to if the price comes down.
@nathanbuildsrobots so, Creality K2 Plus or Prusa Core One?
That is a tough choice. I’d prefer the prusa for most things, but it is a smaller printer. If you need size, K2. If you want long term reliability and upgradability, prusa sounds like the better bet.
Depends if you need the extra build volume or not. The K2 Plus is about 100mm squared bigger than the Prusa Core One.
@@NathanBuildsRobots looking forward to your review. Hopefully it's before Black Friday so I can burn a grand.
Nathan, tell them to fix the crappy app and bring it to par with the quality of this printer. That is one of the issues why I am still holding for the bambu XL.
I never use apps or cloud stuff.
Sounds like the bambu system is pretty good for that.
Creality and PRUSA also have apps, but I haven’t used any of them
I got p1s combo, but that creality k2 quality is amazing… thanks for the video
Thank you. Bought one cause of your reviews
Just got a lot of emotional damage from k1c and previous days of getting something from creality to get working where Bambu Labs gets it out of the box. I'm very happy with this video and to see creality got it right this time.
I have a K1 Max that I really like. Did it have a few “birthing pains”, yes but nothing terrible and the issues were easily solved. I almost always print with 3 layer walls. I find that I get the best results printing from the inside out. It would be interesting to print some tests building the walls from the outside in. Also, two layer walls might be informative as well. I’m not asking you to do any tests like these, but I think the K2 could handle them as well as any other affordable FDM printer.
I participated in the pre-sale offering during the summer. I am just anxiously awaiting its arrival in the US.
I agreed that your torture tests were a good representation of what the machine is capable of producing. Thanks!
This is a good follow up…I was thinking about the print quality
thank you :) i was a bit concerned over the quality but i think i will be able to live with that 😂
I want one! But what I want to know about is measurements and inner and outer dimension accuracy.
Any thoughts about dimensional accuracy ?
Would it be possible for you to measure the height of the front door glass for me? Thanks
Excellent video detailing beyond real world performance. I am a fanboy of truth and of open source not of any product or person. Good call out of the whiners. The more I see of the facts on all printers the closer I come to buying a K2 Plus. Keep up the good, unvarnished and honest reviews.
I don't get what Bambu labs fans are angry about. They should be saying "if creality can do this, imagine what we will get from Bambu next!"
Bambu better come out with something crazy next year. They hide their new products because they are worried about being copied
@@NathanBuildsRobots And a firmware that restricts 3rd party software authorization is not what we had in mind!
Bambu really made the other's step up their game, you gotta agree.
One thing I also noticed was that they've shipped insanely fast. I think I ordered one like last friday or thursday or something and it arrived in like a week. I wasn't even expecting it until mid-december but it already arrived.
What I can't understand is why companies don't start implementing "Active Bed Leveling" (where you have 3 leadscrew/motor pairs operating independently to each other, and the bed has mechanisms in place to allow it to tilt to compensate for offsets - I know it probs isn't called that, but I can't remember the proper name for it). I know it's a mod Voron enthusiasts have access to and I myself have the Hydra conversion on my ender 5+ Mercury build. It's super stable due to having that 3 points of contact, extremely accurate and is only a couple of lines of trig code to implement (since auto bed leveling already uses a coordinate system to plot reference points, it simply calculates differentials in respect to each motor to determine which one needs to adjust it's Z height). The extra power consumption, processing, time spent in operation or even additional unit weight aren't really substantial enough to justify a lack of OEM implementation, especially when bambu and creality have already used tri-leadscrew setups in their bed before.
Should the z wobble artifact be more noticeable if there is an heavy object in front of the heatbed? In other words if the center of gravity is far away from the center of the bed and not aligned with the 2 rods.
Maybe, it’s possible that fast z hops on retraction could set up a small oscillation in the bed if you had a super heavy print offset from the center. But honestly that’s a pretty rare use case. 90% of the time the center of mass of a printed tray is within a 1 inch radius of the center of the bed.
And the solution would be to slow down z hops a little bit. I just don’t see it being an issue in practice
@NathanBuildsRobots okay, I get the idea 👌. I have an x1c and I was waiting for a larger printer bed, this one convince me enough, but I still will wait the release of the new bambu printer coming Q1 2025 and then I will choose one of them.
What about all the CE certificate talk? Does the K2 Plus has a CE sign on it? And I don't mean the fake "Chinese Export" CE sign. This would be critical for the printer's commercial use (at least in Europe).
it has to have real CE sign, I wouldn't worry about it.
Good review Nathan, I think I'm going to get one by Christmas or next year!
Maybe somebody that has used new creality products (K1, E3V3) how is the reliability on those machines?
in my experience Creality products work great for first couple of months and then it starts to break down, at least with my E3S1 was like that.
I'm relatively new to 3d printing, so, no real bias to any brand. I have a K1c (my first printer) and love it. It's been flawless. I wanted something with a larger build plate, so bought the Sovol sv08. After dealing with some minor issues, that arguably the manufacturer should have dealt with, it's been a solid performer. I placed my order for the K2 as soon as they opened it up and am now just waiting for delivery (early December I believe) as I want a multi material/color capable printer and why not buy one with a big build plate. Can't wait.
Why would you buy a K2 instead of an X1C or P1S?
@ 350x350x350 build plate
@@joeking433 I think it's clearly stated that "why not buy one with a big build plate. "
Hi ! can u use orca slicer for start a print ?
For the tower test, you may want to add text to the base to identify them so you don't have to scratch them.
I know it's brand new, but it's still too expensive. It's a great value compared to the x1 Carbon, but they need to close the price gap, and It'll be a no-brainer with the build volume. Something closer to a grand would be nice.
For just the printer it’s $1200. I hope they put it on sale for $999 in half a year once they have manufacturing in full swing
I'd expect a prime/purge/wipe tower to over extrude a bit and leading to more layer inconsistency on a sacrificial piece. Gonna need an Ender3v2 test print for the ultimate benchmark.
Finally competition... Now it's time for the market to find the cheapest and most reliable multi filament system.
need a cord solution for the cfs to sit it next to it.
purge block is funky because of input shaping. small rounding in max speed to esteps adds a tiny offset between layers. offset difference overflows eventually and resets. the os doesn't care enough to add small esteps to make the purge tower perfect....mostly cause it's a garbage piece and speed is king.
So unless im mistaken and please, if i am let me know, but the purge block is meant for exactly that right? To purge extra filament from the nozzle so the actual print has very little, if any, banding?
I wonder how this channel would have evolved if he got a free bambu printer ?
I dont come here for the technical info as he knows pretty much none but entertainment value is superb.
Keep up!
Lmao 😂 comment of the year right here
Do you have any specific points - what did he say that was wrong?
@@mynameisben123 I did not say anything wrong with this video at all... I meant his videos do not provide me any informational benefit as there are very little knowledge driven information but entertainment value is superb, like old SNL days ... You have to understand this one if you still can not get what I said, I can not reword it any other way :)
What an unintentionally hilarious comment!😂
Condescension: Max
Self awareness: None
Keep it up!
Great review, Natan! I have a question: do you have any information about the possibility of using the CFS system on the K1 printers? Also, based on what Creality developed and improved in the K2, do you think these enhancements could be implemented on the K1, either through updates or some kind of upgrade?
You’d need to replace the whole Printhead. It’s doable, I can ask them about their plans for that. I’ll be able to talk to them at Formnext is a few days
@@NathanBuildsRobots Thank you for your response! If you find out anything else about upgrades for the K1 and K1 Max, that would be fantastic.
I guess you have to like this printer. It must be way too heavy to throw out of a window?
I think the problem is, Creality have had a lot of issues in the past with poor printers (The only reason my CRF10-S5 didn't go out of the window is it wouldn't fit!) and its a case of once bitten, twice shy.
Whereas bambu came along and got a really good printer on the first try.
Its like Creality have broken trust and it'll take a bit to get that back. I've been tempted with the K range (I have a bambu) and about the only issue I have is the noise. I need to see one in person I think.
looks great!
We have a $750k Stratasys F900 at work that does not print any better than that. Id say its fine. I ordered a K2+.
That’s the purge tower all purge tigers look like crap. When is the product you were printing with purge tower how does it look??
My first 3D Printer was an ender 3 v2. I have been using it for 2 years now. I did not really have any issues with it. I have done a few things to it. Auto bed leveling, belt synced dual z lead screws with only one stepper motor. I would say the biggest print quality difference was the dual lead screws and POM lead nuts. The ABL was just a quality of life upgrade it really didn’t make the prints any better. I love my little ender 3. I just want a printer for larger sizes with exotic filament. I was looking at the Qidi X-Max-3 but the option for multi color is my interest in the K2.
Anytime you get a Creality printer you will have to tinker with it to get it how you want but compared to the OG Ender 3 days, it's a cake walk in comparison! Half of the OG ender 3 videos I saw were mod videos! I am loving my K1 SE but now my heavily modded OG Ender 3 is collecting dust now which kinda makes me sad. I've gotten emotionally attached to my Ender 3 but it's just taking up space... Almost have enough parts to make another ender 3 (was going to until the K1 SE dropped) but maybe I might turn it into a core XY at some point.