SQUAREBODY C10 LS SWAP LASTED 3 DAYS.....THEN....KABOOM!

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ค. 2023
  • THIS WAS A CALL I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD GET. I GAVE THE SQUAREBODY C10 BACK TO THE OWNER AND IT LASTED 3 DAYS BEFORE IT HAD A CATASTROPHIC FAILER. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS DID I THINK THIS ENGINE WOULD FAIL. I LOOK LIKE A REAL PUTZ NOW....HOPE YOU DONT ENJOY THIS ONE.
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  • @ChrisScibelli5586
    @ChrisScibelli5586 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I feel like you could have found another salvage LS and installed it in the amount of time you spent investigating what happened to this one. You are blessed and cursed with being the man that you are. My idea won't work for you because you will never sleep not knowing if the next engine is any better than the first. I'm almost positive you are going to end up rebuilding this engine so you can be comfortable with everything inside of it. You have integrity beyond anyone else I see in today's world.

    • @ChrisScibelli5586
      @ChrisScibelli5586 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I'm just sorry that integrity doesn't pay the bills all the time.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว +16

      parts are already on their way....

    • @barrysimmons5489
      @barrysimmons5489 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@j.c.smithprojects Surprise, Surprise!
      😉👍🇺🇸🏁🇺🇸😂

    • @Chr.U.Cas1622
      @Chr.U.Cas1622 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dear @@ChrisScibelli5586
      👍👌👏 2) Unfortunately nowadays integrity almost never does.
      Best regards, luck and health in particular.

    • @Chr.U.Cas1622
      @Chr.U.Cas1622 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@barrysimmons5489
      Even a very expensive surprise.
      Best regards, luck and health in particular.

  • @caspaceacas5443
    @caspaceacas5443 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Definitely not your fault don't feel bad about it you do one hell of a great job in every video. Things happen you don't have x-ray eye's to see into the engine when you bought it.

  • @herschelmajors6237
    @herschelmajors6237 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    JC your teardown of that motor proved it was a pre-existing condition. No fault of yours, my friend.

  • @KrazyGoodMods
    @KrazyGoodMods ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You don't look like a putz at all. You put a lot of time and effort into that build, putting it together right. Unfortunately, it had a pre-existing problem and failed. Things like this just happen sometimes. The important thing is that you're making it right. That's what sets you above the actual putzes out there. Thank you for sharing with us! It was interesting working through the process of what happened.

    • @LisaMedeiros-tr2lz
      @LisaMedeiros-tr2lz ปีที่แล้ว

      In terms of "making it right", JC stated in another comment that he did all the work to this point as a favor to an elderly man that hasn't had the truck running in a long time. By favor, I mean gift, with no charge. Now it is back. I know he will make it right. I hope it is not at tremendous expense. He has a knack for doing things in a budget minded way, meaning looking for good deals and leveraging his "copious amounts of free time". I hope this doesn't turn into one of those examples of "no good deed goes unpunished", but it kinda has that look and feel already. It is a testament to his character though and the fact he is a man of his word. This is getting more and more difficult to find any longer.

  • @richardhoneywell7411
    @richardhoneywell7411 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This sucks but your on the right track to fix this engine. So it doesn't happen again. Looking forward to what you figure out on the cam and the next part of this rebuild. Thanks for sharing Mr & Mrs J.C.Smith.

  • @scotthultin7769
    @scotthultin7769 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi JC thank you for sharing

  • @morgansword
    @morgansword ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm seventy three, missed out on the introduction of LS engines when wrenching due to my injury. I have heard so many things positive about these engines and so were supposedly the very best of best, even better than fords coyote 302 or what ever it is displaced at. My landlords have these engines in all of their toys. I can not get this concept of holding a engine against the rev limiter just bouncing like a good many videos show. Your inspector Cluso was right on and understand this heartache of finding a bad engine. I watched Scott with his "V 8" tare down with a flat head engine that supposedly was 60 thousand miles... which is about right for those engines didn't go high high miles. It had never had a oil change plus no filter on this engine so gunk was maximum overload. I knew before you did your teardown that you are too OCD to allow anything past your inspections. Your in simple words.... One of a very few damn good mechanics. Kind of in some ways still just learning about it as we go/went. I will still be a ford guy regardless of any hype about them. Even the best tho break down when you think millions of engines being made every year. I just wish that a One state that seems to run our country had not sold us out to china for cheap junk. I am aware of some foreign countries making changes to our vehicles that will help eventually like the folks making toyota who are going with the hydrogen fuel. After my using it, found out how darn cheap fuel can be. I have paid as low as a dime for a gallon of gas and only two cents for diesel in the fifties... SIN TAXATION!

  • @Brettsharplpn
    @Brettsharplpn ปีที่แล้ว

    You are an angel. Your character is beyond reproach... Be blessed, you rock, you are a god send...but, damn the luck..

  • @jlletaw1954
    @jlletaw1954 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video 👍 l liked the rod bearing part

  • @eddiepatterson5025
    @eddiepatterson5025 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s not your fault you did everything right. I agree that it was neglected from lack of changing the oil and filter maintenance.
    I had a GM mechanic to tell me when you look for a LS engine the2003-2006 5.3 is the better one it has the stronger bottom end than the 4.8 because the bottom end on the 4.8 has smaller rods which are good for naturally aspirated power but not good for high performance use. I agree with one commenter that the engine must had a pre existing issue before you bought it.

  • @MrSilverado1982
    @MrSilverado1982 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow that sucks. Good luck with whatever route you go hopefully the engine from the donor truck you bought is good or if you put in a rebuilt one hope either choice doesn't go the route this motor went. Things happen so don't beat yourself up to bad we can't tell how long a mechanical object will last.

  • @ydocproductions5593
    @ydocproductions5593 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree J.C. Someone really didn’t take care of that engine. Just goes to show how important maintenance is on any engine. Sorry that happened to you guys.

  • @scottgilliland9411
    @scottgilliland9411 ปีที่แล้ว

    The depth of your understanding as evidenced by the sheer enormity of information put forth in your multiple plausible theories is inspring to say the least. Your willingness and ability to explain everything in great detail yet still keep it simple for the relative novice reflect the depth of your knowledge. I don't recall the exact wording, but Einstein has a quote that goes something like if you can't explain something to a 6 year old using crayons, then you don't understand it well enough to teach it. You, sir, are quite the master instructor. Well done. Love your videos.

  • @jonathanmurphy4562
    @jonathanmurphy4562 ปีที่แล้ว

    The work you did to this truck is amazing , it’s not your fault , usually last engines are great running with a strong bottom end ,lack of maintenance is what did this engine . Lifters and valve springs are know to fail in last engines.

  • @johnwilson8277
    @johnwilson8277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think that what you said is correct These new motors will not take a lack of maintenance

  • @petecuming6576
    @petecuming6576 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is why we carry garage keepers/ completed operations liability insurance. Be thankfull nobody got hurt or killed.
    We all hate come backs. All we can do is pull our big boy panties up and make it right. This is how good shops operate. Thanks for your time. Pete in South Carolina

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      there might be some misunderstanding here....we are not a repair shop. this was something we did for an older man who was struggling. we offered to take the truck and get it going for him. it was all on my dime as a gift.

  • @glenharper3136
    @glenharper3136 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video.

  • @robertkeime4907
    @robertkeime4907 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good analysis

  • @braaapattack2937
    @braaapattack2937 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a professional TH-cam mechanic commenter with never personally opening up a motor of a truck… from what I’ve seen so far, and what I’ve learned from other channels, the ls is an interference motor which explains the valves kissing the pistons when the timing chain broke. The discoloration is definitely common due to the pcv system. But from what my “professional” chicken or the egg guess, this motor out of the donor truck blew a head gasket and was being run for some time with it blown and just having coolant dumped in it to keep running (I personally know someone who dumped a gallon a week into his truck for about a year) which at one point hydrolocked the truck, then got a head gasket, it might have been a year or 5 ago, who knows. Fast forward to when it blows. Rod snapped, piston kissed valve, timing chain snapped, and rest of the valves kissed the other 7 pistons, and debris cycled through for the couple seconds it took for the motor to stop, luckily it didn’t window the block. This is about the best case scenario for a blown rod

    • @braaapattack2937
      @braaapattack2937 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And if it was some oil pressure for the cam bearings, the ls has one weakness, the oil pick up tube is notorious for the o-ring getting dry/hard and cracking, thus not letting oil getting to the oil pump.

  • @gs1100ed
    @gs1100ed ปีที่แล้ว

    You are a good man JC Smith. Integrity helps you to sleep at night.

  • @richrichardson4470
    @richrichardson4470 ปีที่แล้ว

    Life happens thats out of our control, you do your best and atuff still happens, as long as no one dies or gets mamed its all good, things break, parts break, life goes on.

  • @prevost8686
    @prevost8686 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pushrod end wear is pretty common in LS engines. Even in some clean well maintained ones. Even well maintained ones tend to get a lot of carbon buildup in them apparently due to the EGR design. You can pull the pans on them when the rockers look spotless and the pan will have a layer of gritty sludge/carbon in the bottom of the pan. I think that gunk has a tendency to clog pushrod tubes casing the end galling.
    Some LS engines head gasket wouldn’t blow but it would have a clean split in the steel gasket which would allow coolant to fill a cylinder when it was shut down. Cranking one unknowingly would cause rod damage in short order. I think the engine possibly could have suffered a head gasket failure before you purchased it and the rod was damaged from hydrolocking . Most weak rods fail under deceleration . The cam bearings always look horrible in LS engines. Always. They are a great engine but like everything man has touched they are flawed. Fortunately they are relatively easy and cheap to build that will eliminate most weaknesses.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      i think that gunk pugs up the lifters. might be why lifters are always such an issue. the effects would be unlubricated push rod to lift, lifter to rocker and rocker to valve. i find it hard to believe that the rods are so delicate that cranking one with fluid in a cylinder will bend a rod...a locked up alternator or water pump with a belt on it can stop a starter from turning the engine over and not snap a belt...i cant believe that same starter can have enough power to bend a rod. it would have to take rotational force at a higher speed to bed that rod the way it was. i do agree this rod failed due to some type of hydro lock situation but it has to happen before we bought the donor truck.

  • @robertalvarez9500
    @robertalvarez9500 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are a good man bless you

  • @CaptKirk1701
    @CaptKirk1701 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree, that engine had NOS introduced to it at one time.

  • @tomh6779
    @tomh6779 ปีที่แล้ว

    What an absolute bummer! You took every precaution for a quality installation/exchange. Hopefully, the extra time you took will pay off on the re-installation.

  • @bryand1204
    @bryand1204 ปีที่แล้ว

    JC, you of people are not a putz.
    Honestly I wish alot more people would help others like you do.
    You don't have x-ray vision so don't beat yourself up. Lesson learned and that's it.

  • @travismelton4680
    @travismelton4680 ปีที่แล้ว

    Depending on year LS has AFM system where it shuts down 4 cylinders high speed so have put the heads swap cams because lifter failure do oil pressure bleeds off the lifters to activate the AFM system

  • @jimdieseldawg3435
    @jimdieseldawg3435 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tough luck, JC. Great forensic analysis and once again I’m impressed by your commitment to keeping your word; this world needs more Good People like you. The LS1 has built such a reputation for being the unburstable, tuneable V8 of choice that it has acquired the mythical status that All Examples Must Be Presumed Good; the reality - as you’ve unfortunately discovered - is that it is as susceptible to poor maintenance and/or substandard previous repairs as many other engines. Perhaps even a growing perception along the lines of “it’s eternal, everyone says so, so it’s fine for another 6K miles on this oil…”. Complacency reinforces and then later ruins reputations - or, more succinctly, is the LS1 now becoming a victim of its own success? I wish you better luck with the replacement LS1.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i agree. the reputation of this engine is what made me choose it for this swap. it didnt stop me from doing compression tests, leak down and watching all the critical info on the scanner. it ran so good in the donor truck. i never imagined it would have a failure like this.

  • @michaelhartloff3833
    @michaelhartloff3833 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't feel bad it will come around

  • @downrightme6811
    @downrightme6811 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s amazing how much damage can be done in just a few seconds

  • @danbeardshear1356
    @danbeardshear1356 ปีที่แล้ว

    liked yes not enjoyed, ya never can tell buying used, very informative

  • @DependableAutoTruck
    @DependableAutoTruck ปีที่แล้ว

    the machine shop i use builds a lot of LS motors they tell me its common for the valve guide to break in the middle of the head and binds the valve and holds it open and piston hits valve then the next thing that happens is the next turn bends valve on the rocker arm side. i just as i mentioned before i am fixing one now that happened to it was cylinder 8 intake valve. also one of my dowl pins stayed in the head and head bolt was rusty. have it back together haven't started engine yet. but the dowl doesn't go very deep in the block on mine either.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      checked all the guides. all are in great condition. the hole in the block for the dowel sure leaves room for the dowel to go deeper into the head.

  • @garyholt9573
    @garyholt9573 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    JC I bet a whole Year's worth the money that engine had been hydrolocked previous of installing it in that truck which bent the rod witch made it weak and it snapped.the motor was junk before you started!!!! This is a good example of why you should always go through any engine before installing it in anything it's very cheap insurance and prevents things like this from happening 👍😁💯

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yeah well, how far do you go? it ran and drove well. coolant was full. no misfires. no noises. i did a compression test and a leak down. all was good.

    • @garyholt9573
      @garyholt9573 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@j.c.smithprojects I agree with you JC it was just what that unfortunate situations that we all hate

  • @geraldparker7008
    @geraldparker7008 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry to hear about the motor I you make a special effort to make it right for the owner. K have a feeling to that the rod wasn't right defect or ? The broke didn't look right I heard that guys that beat on them at the track put beefier rods as low buck up grade maybe its best to fix it if you get another motor would be trading one problem for another.I'm sure you'll do what's best what ever it!

  • @gonecoastaljk6913
    @gonecoastaljk6913 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man that sucks, that’s the kinda luck I normally have!

  • @tracywraley6892
    @tracywraley6892 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    From what I seen you did everything you could do things like this happens to everyone

  • @nrgate
    @nrgate ปีที่แล้ว

    Probably a failed Head Gasket before you got it. Probably hydrolocked when it did, maybe they found forbidden milkshake then pulled the heads. Probably saw the the blown gasket, changed it out, reassembled, flushed fluids and the sent it. Except the rod in the bad cylinder twisted and cracked slightly, but showed no outward signs. You trialed it, beat on it, and it seemed fine. Buddy does what you're supposed to do on a hemorrhoid car and that compromised rod left the chat. Previous damage that would have required a very close inspection.
    Hemorrhoid vehicles are always a pain in the ass. Circle of life..... you just gotta get that next cherry LS off market place, most importantly the ad must include no lowballers, I know what I got!

  • @SuperMAZ007
    @SuperMAZ007 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel really bad looking at the carnage. I can say this much you did nothing wrong some things you just can't foresee. Even the engineers sometimes make mistakes. If you think LS engines can be a nightmare at times, trust me friend BMW engines are way worse to repair. I do appreciate this video as a learning material for not only myself but others as well.

  • @petebrooks6539
    @petebrooks6539 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A couple of things, I doubt if you can hit a cam shaft hard enough to bend it, they are Hardened Iron and extremely brittle. The bad rod could have come from water ingested down the intake after splashing through deep water at some time. If I were you, I would reach out to Eric at i do cars. He autopsies engines as part of his content, and could probably shed some good insights on yours. Dare I say, he deals in used parts and engines that he guarantees. I would definitely NOT rebuild that deal,, it will likely wind up as Round - 2 in the battle. Good luck J.C., I always enjoy your content, and Eric's,,, he's funny as heck and looks like Adam Sandler. No kidding, reach out to him, it does cost anything. 👍👍

  • @nightstorm9128
    @nightstorm9128 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know no matter how many people tell you not to worry and it's not your fault ,That you will still blame yourself,,That's just your make up,,It's who you are,,And it's those kind of trates that show your an honourable person ,With high moral standards ,,Who cares about there workmanship ,And doing the best job they can do,,What happend here was totally out of your control,But the most important thing is that your willing to try and make it right,,And that's all any coustomer can ask ,,

  • @randallyarborough7923
    @randallyarborough7923 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's a big reason I got out of the auto repair business. It is hard not to personalize the comebacks like this. I would usually eat the expense even if it wasn't something I did. I understand how bad you feel.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      i have ate the entire build cost. this was a gift to an older man. i will continue to eat it until its right.

  • @HODGEPODGEDODGEGARAGE
    @HODGEPODGEDODGEGARAGE ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a shame to hear about the failure J.C 😕 Very odd about the way the rod broke though 🤔 Previous lack of maintenance for sure. 🔧🔩

  • @normangallant9879
    @normangallant9879 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well i agree with your theory.

  • @michaelhartloff3833
    @michaelhartloff3833 ปีที่แล้ว

    At least non of the bolts had time to get rusty that is a plus

  • @cameronchrestman46
    @cameronchrestman46 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you get it fixed again give the whole truck a bath in holy water and have a priest exorcize it before you deliver to the owner 😂

  • @andrewslagle1974
    @andrewslagle1974 ปีที่แล้ว

    J.C.sorry about the heartache .I know how much it takes out of someone to do this type work.I have done it all my life.My opinion is that rod was hurt by the look of the rod bearing .Some times you just do not know with a used or new engine for that matter.The customer may pay for the parts and you take care of the labor ( just a thought) .

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      im not taking any of his money. i offered to do this as a gift to him and i will see it through. no matter the cost.

  • @4X4F250Diesel
    @4X4F250Diesel ปีที่แล้ว

    Its a machine they break, it happens. Still a pain the rear.

  • @LSswapGarage1
    @LSswapGarage1 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been inside more LS's than i care to remember. Short of the broken rod it looks fine. The top of the cam bearing doesn't get ever get touched so they get gunk with time. The wear looks like any other LS.. high spots, wear from load, etc. Same goes for the dowels.. they almost always come out like that. Pulling the head bolts out can move them but i rarely ever have them stay in the block.
    Pushrods always wear with lack of oil... plugged up lifter is all that takes.
    They always just "shut off" under light load and break a rod.. mm hmm... sure thing customer lol.
    You win some you lose some.
    Did that cylinder hydrolock previously? Maybe. Hard to say!

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      not a customer. doing this as a gift for an elderly man....he wasnt beating on it. i agree with the lifter plugging up and not oiling.

  • @wil2walkbilly362
    @wil2walkbilly362 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So sad to have this happen you would need a crystal ball 😢

  • @michaelhartloff3833
    @michaelhartloff3833 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man that looks like it came in there

  • @williamgreen2679
    @williamgreen2679 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have watched heaps of your videos and a lot of the time i thought you went above and beond in your repairs on any thing you touch but in aust we have a saying that shit happens and its not your fault. but im waiting for the rebuild because i dont think you would even be happy with a crate motor let alone a salvage one so best of luck and i will wait for the out come

  • @Chr.U.Cas1622
    @Chr.U.Cas1622 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dear J.C. Smith projects couple.
    😱 Unfortunately Murphy's law kicked in pretty hard. At first I wanted to comment that you should consider to stop working for other people because it's simply too expensive for you. But then I realised that ol' Murphy could've also kicked if you had sold such a modified pickup truck. 🙈 My guess is that something already wasn't right with this engine when you bought the donor vehicle. How the connecting rod broke looks like a defect while the metal was poured/forged. Maybe the former owner knew about that, maybe not. Anyway: I hope that you will be able to purchase a good engine and put it in this long time project to get rid of it finally.
    2) Hope at least Jeff is doing better.
    Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
    Best regards luck and especially health to all 3 of you.

  • @randydobson1863
    @randydobson1863 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello j.c and mrs. smith it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks j.c friends randy and hello jeff dogs

  • @rickpallamolla8390
    @rickpallamolla8390 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know LS engines all that well but, were the holes in the bearings across from each other, and if not were they installed upside down so the holes in the block didn't line up.

  • @matthewcollins6109
    @matthewcollins6109 ปีที่แล้ว

    It almost had to be hydrolocked I wonder if it had a leaky injector that got stuck on. The stock chains are pretty strong whatever u do dont go double roller get the c5r chain and do the trunion upgrade on the rocker arms.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      it doesnt need any "upgrades". in stock form this engine will outperform its intended use.

  • @jdias51
    @jdias51 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lifters are a common failure on LS motors i lost a low mileage 6.0 dropped a vavle out of nowhere like literally shut the truck off came out of house turned the truck on and it was locked up

  • @Dumps-R-Us
    @Dumps-R-Us ปีที่แล้ว

    If you were to suspect that the heads were off previously, could the incorrect length pushrods have been used? causing the collapsed lifter and football shaped wear?

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      i didnt measure each push rod. ls engine definitely have troubles with their lifters failing. i would lean more toward that.

  • @quicksilver462
    @quicksilver462 ปีที่แล้ว

    The broken con. rod had been bent, probably from "hydraulic" event from a head gasket failure in the past, this is shown by the wear patter on the rod bearing. Its all down hill from there.

  • @CamelGarage
    @CamelGarage ปีที่แล้ว +2

    19:03 I doubt that’s what he thinks of you Mr. Smith. I would agree with you if you refused to make it right then yes. Things happen and unfortunately no one has a crystal ball to predict things like this. I know it’s upsetting and a kick to the gut but at the end of the day you’re taking care of it the best you can and that’s enough. I’m sure the customer would agree with me on this one. Try not to beat yourself up to bad over it as my grandpa told me once it’s just a machine they’re replaceable.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      he isnt upset with me. he has been around engines his whole life. he knows things happen. it just sucked to see the disappointment on his face. the truck had been down for almost 5 years. he finally got it back and just loved it....until it broke again.

    • @CamelGarage
      @CamelGarage 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@j.c.smithprojects agreed, one of the most important things i just read was “he finally got it back and loved it” even if it was a short run on the first version he was able to experience it. That right there is enough to keep me determined, I’m going through a similar project piecing back together a 2010 charger and destroyed the heads due to a mistake on my end. I know for me unfortunately learning the hard way is something I gravitate towards.

  • @bradnoyes7955
    @bradnoyes7955 ปีที่แล้ว

    35:00 that bend/twist in the rod screams hydrolock to me
    43:00 that rod has been bent for a while

  • @cyberhornthedragon
    @cyberhornthedragon ปีที่แล้ว

    just as a question did you pull the can bearings? just ODD that oil passage hole inst lined up to a hole and the burnt oil on them

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      they were all lined up perfectly and yes i removed them.

  • @robertquast9684
    @robertquast9684 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are there date codes on the bearings? I wonder if someone was in there before. I thought the early 5.3 s had cam and lifter problems. Are the cam bearing lube holes not clocked right or is there only 1 hole used

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      no but they do say "gm" and "std". only 1 hole is used.

  • @markthecraneman8465
    @markthecraneman8465 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think i would have the crank checked for bend and twist along with the con rods get a new cam... replace con rods as required ..valves as required... new bearings and pop her back together together. I am pretty sure your xray vision is as good as mine so you wont see inside another doner engine... at least you will have peace of mind building the one you have properly.... and i KNOW you do things properly. Sorry you have had this problem.. you certainly dont deserve problems with the way you work.... i am finicky with guys working on my stuff... i would hire you to do my vehicles in an instant

  • @kennethcarr2511
    @kennethcarr2511 ปีที่แล้ว

    What does the lifters look like. We drag race LS motors in Stock the lifters are the weakest link

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      junk lifters. replacing them all. replacing the push rods as well.

  • @Lloyd973
    @Lloyd973 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very rare to see an ls have problems with the bottom end parts. These engines routinely go 300,000 miles between rebuilds. They are raced at hp level of. 1,000 or more with surprising durability. Most usually bent/broken rods in these engines can be caused by excessive rpm and or horsepower or faulty injectors in engines used in racing(cars using methanol) resulting in the engine hydraulicing . It’s not uncommon for these engines to run camshaft lifts exceeding 0.600 inch.
    The engines with the 4-6-8 capability had some problems with the cylender delete valve train lifters which could cause some of the problems you are seeing.

  • @79Jasper042610
    @79Jasper042610 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe it was a casting flaw in the rod.
    Yeah, odd to go 200k miles before letting go, but does happen.

  • @dougjones9493
    @dougjones9493 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have anyway to see it was tuned to increase the rev limiter. Looks like over reved and valves floated.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      im sure that is something jusin would have noticed when he programmed it. he very sharp.

  • @pokeysplace
    @pokeysplace ปีที่แล้ว

    Sherlock Smith I presume.

  • @dptp9lf
    @dptp9lf ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if that rod suffered from a previous hydro-lock event at some point?

  • @thomasstewart9368
    @thomasstewart9368 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Having an engine fail that you worked on is a hard pill to swallow. You'll make it right & move on in no time flat . 👍

  • @user-ss6bg4rb2r
    @user-ss6bg4rb2r ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone at some point in it's life beat that engine senseless!!! The way those rod bearings wore, says that those rods are oval shaped now. Those intake valves have been HOT!! Those cam bearings have been known to spin and cams known to bend. Brand Racing Engines Channel has some really good content on these issues, he also does everything old school cool!!

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      rod bearings are not worn. only the broken rod has odd wear. those are exhaust valves....yes they get hot. "cam bend"....ok then.

  • @ianatkinson8464
    @ianatkinson8464 ปีที่แล้ว

    😎👍

  • @ericbrock9387
    @ericbrock9387 ปีที่แล้ว

    It stinks that you got a bad example of ls but you'll give it the J.C.treatment, know it's done the way you want, and it'll be back on the road soon. He'll be happy.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      i dont blame the engine. i blame the previous owner and the lack of care it got.

  • @mironeko3820
    @mironeko3820 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bummer. Sorry about your luck, you got a pig in a poke. I know you'll make it right.

  • @eddiereichel9354
    @eddiereichel9354 ปีที่แล้ว

    36:35 Yeah the cam bearings need replaced because you looked at em. Cam bearings are only bad if ya look at em.

  • @davedunn2124
    @davedunn2124 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shit happens. Its just not fun when it happens to you. Especially on a charity job. Just be thankful you can afford to do it for him. Im sure he is thankful for your help. Good things come to those who help others.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      i dont know if afford is the word but we will get it done no matter the cost.

    • @davedunn2124
      @davedunn2124 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@j.c.smithprojects
      Your a good man. I have found myself there many times.

  • @DependableAutoTruck
    @DependableAutoTruck ปีที่แล้ว

    forgot to mention they also say the cam bearings sometimes rotate and cut off oil sometimes

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      all the cam bearings were in their original location and not moved.

  • @Overkill14
    @Overkill14 ปีที่แล้ว

    I suspect that when the chain broke the cylinder with the broken rod was on the firing stroke, when it came back up the exhaust valve didn’t open and it broke the rod

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      part of the connecting rod is what jammed up the cam....rod had to break before the chain.

  • @martinmicheal4595
    @martinmicheal4595 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cause is shitty parts I always replace timing chains in an ls but it smashed some valves also rip it out for a new one

  • @jhonditch4269
    @jhonditch4269 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sometimes best not to think

    • @jhonditch4269
      @jhonditch4269 ปีที่แล้ว

      sometimes a FORD acts like a FORD

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      it is a chevy truck with a chevy engine.....

  • @rodkennedy9800
    @rodkennedy9800 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No good deed goes unpunished 😐

  • @sladeschopshop
    @sladeschopshop ปีที่แล้ว

    The 4.8/5.3/6.0 motors are known for lifter/cam bearing failure. I have seen these motors with near perfect service have trashed cam bearings before anything else failed. Also you hit the nail on the head with the down pins. Those heads have been removed before. I'd say about 5k or so miles before you got ahold of it maybe less. Those pistons are pretty clean and so is the motor. I believe the abnormal oil marks on the c bearings and the sludge came from it being run over heated and cooked the oil. The twist in the rod definitely tells me that rod was compressed above it's limit at some point in time. I see these motors fail like this all the time when they are turbo'd due to too much boost. That rod is a text boom example of it. I'm sorry you got a lemon of a used motor. I don't care for that LS platform myself. Any motor I have to pull heads to service lifters is a no go for me lol. I believe you are 100% correct. The rod let go, it hit the block, pieces jammed up the cam, chain snapped.
    All in all, a failed head gasket that the previous owner drove on and continuously ran hot was the beginning of the end for that poor motor and you got stuck with it.

  • @johnradano5026
    @johnradano5026 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did not see the plastic barbell that restricts oil flow .

  • @zweg1321
    @zweg1321 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you talked to (import apart ) they take engines on ( I do cars ) breaking them down to investigate their failure

  • @DependableAutoTruck
    @DependableAutoTruck ปีที่แล้ว

    i think at one time the engine hydro locked for some reason cracked the rod and then it finally broke

  • @gparrow
    @gparrow ปีที่แล้ว

    I say this knowing that I wasn't there but I find it hard to believe that that thing just "shut off" without warning, I'm not saying I think he was abusing it but a broken rod slapping the windage tray is noticeable.

  • @blessedman3253
    @blessedman3253 ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone previously blew head gaskets hydrolocked bent rod....

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      that is what i was hoping. head gaskets are gm....someone could have bought them i guess.

  • @rickpallamolla8390
    @rickpallamolla8390 ปีที่แล้ว

    The shiney sides on the rod bearings may of happened after it blew. The missing teeth on the timing set tells me that engine was turning at speed. The hung open valve might be trash running through the engine after failure

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      there are no missing teeth on either gear....shiny spot happened after it blew? after it blew it never started again....the timing chain broke....there wasnt any trash running through anywhere...the valves were not being driven by the crank and there wasnt any trash to be run through.

    • @rickpallamolla8390
      @rickpallamolla8390 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@j.c.smithprojects I thought I seen the teeth run down. My bad. I hope all goes well with the project.

  • @tomh6779
    @tomh6779 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh, also if you mentioned the mileage on that 6.0 LS I missed it. Do you know?

  • @gs1100ed
    @gs1100ed ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to remove those cam bearings and examine the block. I suspect that the bearings were installed incorrectly.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      they were not. they are all lined up and in place correctly

  • @lutherjackson_
    @lutherjackson_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For the life of me I can't understand why folks pull these engines out of the junkyard and throw them in a daily driver. I pulled a lq4, and I took it straight to the engine shop for the works.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i didnt pull it out of the junk yard. never said that. never implied that. i bought a running and driving truck. tested compression, leak down, oil pressure, temperature, checked the roller lifters , checked the rockers, ran codes, watched data.....you know, everything that needed to be done before we put it in. this is not a daily driver. it is a truck he drives on occasion. furthermore, this was all done to help someone out. i did what i could with what i had available. now the entire engine has been torn down, completely cleaned. valve job. new valves, block work done. new rods, new timing chain, new cam bearings, new rod / main bearings, new oil pump, new cam, new roller lifters, new head bolts, new piston rings, new piston, completely painted and assembled. yeah you took yours "right to the engine shop for the works". i bet you wouldnt do that if you were giving it away......but i did.

  • @JamesSmith-jr2rc
    @JamesSmith-jr2rc ปีที่แล้ว

    I would rebuild what you have. Can you really trust any used engine?

  • @sammyt4822
    @sammyt4822 ปีที่แล้ว

    3 days on the rev limiter is a long time ?

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      elderly man owns the truck....that never happened.

  • @michaelhartloff3833
    @michaelhartloff3833 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wassup

  • @jarvisautofabrication284
    @jarvisautofabrication284 ปีที่แล้ว

    Color on one side of the engine will always be darker on the pcv side. Sorry about the failure. It’s always an investigation when something happens

  • @lklekas
    @lklekas ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ls motors do have head gasket problems.Maybe one head was changed either way the rod was bent and twisted which is exactly what happens when hydro locked.This damaged the rod which eventually caused it to fail in 2 places and that piece jammed the cam.For sure not your fault.

    • @travismelton4680
      @travismelton4680 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah you would think if the head gasket was leaking it would show signs of washing the cylinders it clean and a injection hang open would show signs of fuel in the cylinders

    • @lklekas
      @lklekas ปีที่แล้ว

      You are right about 'witness' marks.I think what happened was caught and repaired maybe one head and put back in service at least long enough to build up carbon and look normal, wear the rod bearing before failing.Many engines have had head gasket failure, repaired and run a long time.

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว

      coolant is still slick....it doesnt usually wash the block like fuel will. it was full of coolant and there was no fuel in the cylinders or in the oil.

  • @nelsonmattoon150
    @nelsonmattoon150 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey JC. Don't beat yourself up man. I bet someone got into that motor and didn't do it right, before you got it.

  • @travismelton4680
    @travismelton4680 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lifters left chat ?

  • @someguy4476
    @someguy4476 ปีที่แล้ว

    The noise he heard could have been the timing going out of whack and pre detonated it so bad that it knocked so hard it bent and then broke the rod.

  • @brettt8246
    @brettt8246 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bet that a previous owner had it pegged on the limiter, either maliciously (ie: burnout or drifting) or during an accident and the accelerator pedal got pegged. The engines are well known for their standard connecting rods to not withstand sitting on the limiter. The conrod got stressed but not quite to breaking point, and just let go on J.C's watch

    • @j.c.smithprojects
      @j.c.smithprojects  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i have been reading about ls engines and performance / durability. i have not found anything saying these engine's rotating assemblies are weak. quite the contrary. i read about guys turning ridiculous rpms and over 800hp on the factory parts....