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WORST FRAME STRETCH DOUBLE FRAME EVER DONE! PUT THE TOOLS DOWN AND WALK AWAY!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 เม.ย. 2023
- THIS IS THE TRUCK THAT I REFUSED TO WORK ON. IT BELONGS TO A FRIEND OF MINE. HE TOOK IT TO A GUY TO HAVE THE FRAME EXTENDED, AN OUTER "DOUBLE" FRAME ADDED, A LIFT AXLE ADDED AND A 4000 GALLON TANKER INSTALLED. IT TOOK 7 MONTHS TO COMPLETE AND WHAT THE OWNER CALLS A "MOUNTAIN OF MONEY". IT WAS BROUGHT TO ME TO DO THE WIRING AND LIGHTS. NO IDEA WHY THE OTHER GUY COULDNT RUN THE LIGHTS.....UNTIL I SAW THE TRUCK. I NEED TO REMOVE THE LIFT AXLE FROM THIS TRUCK TO MODIFY AND USE ON THE TRUCK I AM BUILDING.
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That blows my mind. 7 months to pretty much destroy a truck. It's scary that the guy that did the job thought that was a perfectly acceptable way to do that stretch and be safe and roadworthy. Just....WOW!!!!
Oh my gosh how could anyone ever honestly think this type of workmanship is acceptable, simply amazing. Have a great day J.C. & thank you for your time to show us.
This is 100% regular performance of multiple trades. It cannot be overstated that MOST people will knowingly do the wrong thing just for a paycheck. Working as a wrench spinner, this type of work was a normal thing to see roll into the shop. Working in construction, most people would be scared to see what is behind their walls. Working in the food and service industry, LOL.
Most people, fair to say 90% will perform this type of work, if not worse.
i have bought and continue to buy a fair amount of trucks and i almost never see work this bad. might be normal or common in in your area but not mine..
@@j.c.smithprojects I 100% agree w/ you, I never before seen such a poor build, that's what I was trying to comment previously.
J C Smith
Just wondering if there is a possible way to educate the person that did this terrible work on that truck?? If that fellow was willing to learn how to do a much better job and do it the right way it should be done? My thinking is Education is the key. Not suing him, and or reporting him to the DOT. He needs taught how to do this kinda work right. I also know some are not teachable. Thanks for showing the difference between great work, and pointing out all the mistakes that fellow made.
the owner of the truck gave him my number. he called me. i explained everything i thought was done wrong, poorly or inadequate. his response was " i just did what the owner wanted". if one was willing to learn, he probably would have asked "how should it have been done?"
I am a retired truck mechanic and I seen some real bad work over the years but I can't say I ever seen work this bad on a truck frame. I worked around very professional welders and fabricators and you really had to look close to see a frame stretched.
By condemning that truck you saved the bus full of nuns and orphans that it would have smashed into when the back end catastrophically removed itself.
I seen something similar probably not quite as bad he took a tractor and stretched it to a truck a lot of weight on the front end parking lot speed bump front end collapsed thank goodness
I thought I was the only one who used the "busload of nuns and orphans? phrase.
@@scottcurry479 I only mention children, nuns are just useless added weight.
@@scottcurry479 You know why you their Orphans ?
The Priests couldn’t marry the Nuns !
Those mounts for securing a load aren't sturdy at all, reminds me of a story of a pair of wrecking balls that destroyed an entire town. The wrecking balls weren't secured properly and fell off and ended up flying down the side of the mountain the guy was driving up. He was on the highway so the wrecking balls started with a shot ton of momentum.
I hope your audience appreciates the work you do. Compared to this fly by night hack of a fabricator.
I thought you made it real clear in the first video the problems this truck has . I got the impression at the start of the current project that when you completed it you were going to cut the frame on this truck and start over. You put out good content . Thank You! Tom
i have no interest in doing this again. i would however start with two NEW frame rails....
@@j.c.smithprojects We have all done something in life that later we say never again. It’s nice to try to help someone out of a bind but once burned we know better. Projects easily take more time and money than we want to spend. You have done enough of this to know how it goes. Have a great day. Tom
I worked at a Dana heavy truck plant frame line for a couple of weeks during a layoff from my regular position.
And that line we worked one of the line jobs was adding frame doublers to the standard frames for special purpose trucks. All those doublers were installed inside the existing frame rail and through bolted.
That truck was a pure hack job.
That is the standard way of doing it. This however is the chosen path of the lazy.
That thing is scrap. Wow hard to believe somebody thought that was good work!
Really surprised there is very little salvageable parts
Wow what was that guy thinking , should never even thought of doing that kind of work . I’d be scared to see that truck hauling any kind of weight
Meth
A classic case of "I can do it cheaper". This is beyond horrific and absolutely terrifying. How in the hell did the owner not look at this truck at all? Even worse, he did look at this and thought it was OK.
I'm tired of doing it cheaper ,im getting too old for that crap and have time to do it once.
Because most people don't know good work from bad, have seen this for years
You said 7 months build I honestly figured it was a couple guys that was under the crunch to put something out and this is what happened. There’s no pride, thought or any sort of planning on this unit. So glad and thankful that you convinced the owner with your honesty and knowledge that this is a 60k death trap sled when it was going to be used! I am constantly learning from your videos thanks!
That 2x4 is offering about as much extra strength as that extra frame laid on top with a bolt here there and yonder. I remember when you showed this the first time, but it looks even worse with the tank removed! I really love the large c notches above the axle mounts...
remember when we talked about that target of hours in the truck i am building.....well, as you are well aware we have gone past that and almost doubled it as of today. to think, the money wasted on this truck could have went into the one im doing.
@@j.c.smithprojects yes indeed, or purchased a truck already long enough and double framed... I know they are almost impossible to find, but the twin axle lumber trucks lumber yards use to deliver building materials on are usually 24or 25ft beds and double framed, some even have a tag axle already, most have the smaller engine though. That's what my friend was able to find to build his poultry litter truck out of... Worked out well and saved a lot of Time, money, and headache...
i had several trucks that were a much better fit but he insisted on using this one. he already owned this one and thought it was a cheaper route. not so much now!
@@j.c.smithprojects 👍
And I thought I was a bad welder. This makes my flux core welds look mint.
I thought I'd seen crap workmanship before, but that one takes the prize. It is horrible is every possible way. I've seen work done by farmers that I thought were never going to be safe to drive bag across a field but wow, I don't know what to even say about that truck. You're correct in saying it's only value is for a few parts and scrap metal.
I can’t believe it took him 7 months to make a truck worst than what it started at. I would think this was a time crunch build lol
That's just downright scary! 😨
This might be one of the worst hack jobs I’ve ever seen documented. I can’t believe people think doing work like that is anywhere near acceptable.
You did the right thing convincing your friend not to use this and kudos to him for doing so after spending his money on this junk. The standard of workmanship is appalling. I thought this the first time I saw this truck on your channel. What are viewers of your channel thinking to gripe about this with your work standard/ethics???
Great video J.C.Smith you made a valid point on you first video on this excuse for a frame strengthening attempt that went horrible wrong. Thanks for sharing your truck build is going to work for what this guy needed and then some. Looking forward to your next video stay safe J.C.Smith.
It just goes to show how some People are willing to do a crap job with no thought of the possible consequences, pay cheap pay twice. Thanks for showing what shouldn't be done.
Thank You for showing us this truck up close JC :)
I am so glad you said that it never hsuled anything after the modifications were done. A disaster waiting to happen.
Looks spot on like when a truck owner wants something done, but doesn't wanna pay for it. One the other hand it also has all the hallmarks of an owner who doesn't pay his employees right, so he doesn't have anyone around who genuinely takes pride in their work.
Dually - Noted
"Nothing's right," says it all. I don't know how anyone couldn't see in your first video on this truck that nothing was right. The welds alone, on the structural elements of the frame 😮😮😮
Whoa that truck should be used for part's, and never be allowed on the road!!!
What a chop job 😢
Blessings from the foothills of Mt Rainer 🤜💥🤛
Nasty nasty truck :o It shows how good Pakistani Truck is at this work. Bare frame rebuild with new double-frame inserts all riveted and drilled.
7 months?! I was gonna say it was done in a week lol
I've done them in a week... they sure didn't look like that though. What a mess.
I'm glad you talked to him not having that truck not on the road
I have done ONE frame stretch I bought my rails and cross members from PG Adams (expensive) ,and I was as nervous as a long tailed tomcat in a room full of rocking chairs but it turned out pretty good. That’s actually how I came across your channel was by watching videos on frame stretching 😂😂😂😂 good content
I'm glad you talked some sense into the owner. I hope he went back and showed the other shop thier short comings 😮.
I think the boys across the pond would be scared to drive it. 😂
Many beautiful,eloquent people have little knowledge on structure mechanics, yet they work on these very safety sense jobs.
hello jc and mrs.smith its is randy and i like yours video is cool and super cool video jc and mrs. smith thanks friends randy
You absolutely made the right call J.C. and i said it when you showed all that BUTCHERY in the first video when the body was "attached." LOL 😂 I know it's both frustrating and downright painful to see hack jobs like this, but you are honestly hilarious when you go around the truck showing all that garbage 😆 Again, good call J.C. and i enjoyed the video 👍
Here in UK we would report that awful work to Trading Standards as well as the vehicle inspectors.
Here in the UK that would fail the first MOT / VOSA check hard.
I am Canadian. I would not touch this. If this was to get into an accident, even if the modification did not contribute to the accident, I would lose my license. God forbid anyone getting killed.
Oh i enjoyed it alright ! 😂
Glad to see this parked for good !
next video of this truck will be "salvaging what is good".....it will be a very short video!
Dude must have been welding with his eyes closed. Sheesh😂
I'm an hobbyist welder with maybe a dozen hours of burning MIG wire and I could have done better welds then those. :D
Hello from the Netherlands.
thanks for the video JC 👍.
Sincerely Hollandduck
Only seen one frame worse. They tried to mate steel and aluminum frame😮. Nice to see someone with intelligent. Thank you
Cold undercut welds, downhand at that (whoa) it needs major help : or not ! Great video Sir.
At first I thought this was a joke but soon took me back to a company I worked for a few years ago. Has a professional welder on staff. I failed a frame on a nice little KW t 800, from the cab ahead was perfect, frame had extreme rust jacking under the 5th wheel plate. As they had there own collection of scrapped KW's I picked out a frame from a C500 mixer. Double frame not a spot of rust & already had rubber block suspension pattern drilled, marked out where the front cut should be to weld on without having to redrill a hole and left it for the "pro". Got a call a couple days later she was done, went to check... 7 splices between the back of the cab and the hinge for the dump it was to recieve. Straight cut splices on a double frame, last one being a 5" section that came with a hinge on it. The Public Safety fella at the time had a field day. Sometimes a ticket doesn't overcome ignorance and common sense
THANK-YOU ,!!!! Report the owner / repair shop to the State Commercial Vehicle Inspection Service.
As a truck mechanic for over 35 years I totally agree with you!! I wouldn’t touch this truck either! All the cut outs are sheer points! All the did was added weight to truck and gave it zero extra support. I have done many frame shortening and lengthening! This is a complete joke of work this man should lock his toolbox and never open it again!
"Yeah I know a guy that can do it cheaper!" 😂
I understand what you’re saying and totally agree with you about everything
I see JC cutting this frame off back of the cab also and ditto everything in the shop! That truck was a lots of work even though its wrong
i have no interest in doing that to this truck.
Your sooooo picky JC, LOL😂. Good instruction of all that is wrong with this setup. Thank you!
if "picky" is the word to use.....ok then.
He's got a great farm truck for hauling hay bales from his field to his barn. Not a truck for an OTR tanker.
I'm wondering how the fabricobbler ever thought that would pass a safety inspection?
Not only did you save your friends business, you probably saved his life.
After watching your video about this double frame job I do agree with you that whomever did this job definitely didn't know what they were doing at all very glad that you refused to work on that vehicle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!¡!!!!!!!!
i don't know how it takes 7 months of working on a truck to arguably make it worse than it was before you even set eyes on it. glad you were able to convince him to take that truck off the road.
It amazes me that someone who has the facility, tools, and knowledge to do this kind of work would do that level of butchery. I feel sorry for the guy that paid for it. That truck would be unsafe for an off road farm truck.
should...he works as a fleet mechanic at a large corporation. has his own shop and has worked on trucks for others.
Good thing DOT didn't stop this truck in a truck inspection
G'day JC,,
Another great vid , This unit sure is a death trap .
The owner should have refused to pay for ,or accept that standard of work .
Whoever did that wprk should be inspected and banned form undertaking work of this kind .
Respect ...!
One of those rigs you don't want to be behind because of yhe debris field, but you don't wanna be in front of it either since the brakes dont work. Glad this thing is condemned and the owner took your words to heart. Shane he wasted all that time and money though.
Hackery at its finest you're always going to find that one guy who would do with the cheapest just to make a buck. This is exactly the product you get when you do it the cheapest you can find!!!!!!!!
Looks more like a tweekers quality of work, half-assed and dangerous to the public!!!!
Hi J. C
You are right to condemn the truck for the work done to it has definitely defeated the obvious objective in giving the truck safe, secure double bracing.
Me I would of put the second rail inside the main chassie rail to keep all of it's Mount's in the right position and spacing between the suspension as factory fitted.
I had an F250 crew cab with a 12 ft bed about 25 years ago when I worked for Manny, Moe & Jerk. They wanted me to work on it and I went out and looked at it first and told them I refused to lift it unless it would fit on the drive on front-end rack. The took 2 pickups and cut the frames and simply butt welded them together with a 1/4" rectangular plate about the size of a license plate over the inside of the seam. They took 4 ft of front bed and welded it to an 8 ft bed with no front wall and didn't even bother to sand or bondo the weld seam. Anyway I refuse simply because I grew up down the street from a gas station where back in the 70's a tow truck made the same way broke in half when raised and a friend of mine was killed when it fell on him.
I do frame mods professionally. You made a good call brother !
It amazes me how many people comment that everyone involved should be sued and turned into the government. Not that some don’t slip through the cracks, but there are plenty of systems in place to keep stuff like this off the roads- this video is a case in point of that system working. Litigation or more government overreach is not the answer. Great job as always, J.C.
the government is not a replacement for each of our own accountability and responsibility. far too many want to watch the fire burn and complain about it instead of trying to prevent the fire.
@@j.c.smithprojects you nailed it!
Great education!
7 months and thousands of dollars to build a rolling death trap .
Rear bumper looks solid 😂
Great explanation and reason for not working on it! If you did and something happened in the future, even it had nothing to do with your work, you would have been dragged into it! You made the right call!
Unbelievable wow crazy af man crazy af
I work in the trucking industry in Australia 🇦🇺 and this sort of crap 💩 would land you in jail !
Good information - It seems there is just too much wrong with it to make it serviceable.
This is adequate for one thing, a segment on "Just Rolled In" hee on YT. The same expertise input went into this as many so-called other shop's jobs proclaimed by he customer.
Ive never been a big fan of dot or regulations very much but then you see what people are capable of
It would be nice to assume everyone would just do things good and proper as i would require done
But far too many people are negligent and/or ignorant
Maybe your vids can help some of the ignorant as to the negligent i guess we need regulations and enforcement
that is why regulations started. protecting people from people. somewhere along the lines it turned into revenue as well.
You're correct they won't should have put a plate in it all the way to the front it's a lot of work to unbolt everything off the original frame Mark the holes and drill the new plate add a few extra bolt holes for strength bolting it back together but you do have your leaf springs that have to move a little bit for the added metal you're going to add to the frame show the question is inside channel outside channel. That's where you called the guys that are used to doing this all the time.
Here is an excellent example for the requirement of annual ministry testing, operator license and six weekly inspections.
Here in the Uk if that truck was stopped on a public road it would be impounded and the owner prosecuted.
The DOT would’ve had a field day with that truck 😢
that's no joke for sure ,, I bet they'd call a bulldozer to crush it
And for once they would actually have a reason to write some citations and put it out of service.
good call and by the way its your heavy equipment license on the line and reputation. This is exactly why the diesel or heavy equipment mechanic licenses are getting very hard to pass so people that did this exact job do not touch any tools none,,,,the guy that did this should bot even be allowed to use a lego set yet alone touch Kenworth..thats why a license usualy with profesionals is called A COMPETENT PERSON OR PERSONS
I seen a stretch that had the frame out maybe5 degrees to the side then straighten out at the back. It was going to dog track about 5 inches, the welder said it was straight in the end.
I recognize that weld, that's a SEAGULL welder, nothing finer to put down bird poop with!
Omg the more I watch the more I crunch 😂😂😂😂😂
I agree but replacing the outer frame right through plus fixings would fix it .Arguably cheaper to slice it odd behind the cab and double/triple up.
New frame rails from front to back. This frame is already visibly cracked.
Back in the day when we double framed we pulled all the crossmembers out slid new c channell inside the frame channell drilled all new holes with a frame drill reinstalled crossmembers
That truck is a lawyers dream
I have no words . Wow
This is the jankiest pile of hell. I’m no fan of DOT, but this is why we have inspections.
this is exactly how the dot came about......somewhere along the lines it turned into revenue.
After watching this video few words jumped through my head: Carnage, slaughter, massacre, butchery.
I do a lot of frame work and seeing that hack job made my skin crawl. Whoever did that should be jailed.
The original single frame was stronger then it is now. Never mind the fact it took 7 months to destroy that truck. WOW!!!!
That model of Neway suspension is designed for a pusher axle application. Mounted dozens of them
I'm with you back job . I wouldn't touch that mess
My dad always told me that when I work on a project to do the work right and do it with pride. That way someone else doesn't have to do the work over again that I didn't do correctly.
This is a perfect example of what is wrong with trucking industry today, everyone wants it cheaper. Don't worry about quality or knowledge. Sad thing is the people who know how to do this kind of work are becoming fewer and fewer every day.
That looks like the work of someone without any clue of what they are doing.
So has that frame been cut off at the cab and push out to the parts storage area. Please say it’s not on the road.
That chassis should have had a flitch plate ie an inner chassis plate fitted on the inside and the cross braces shortened to accommodate that 👍🔨
That job is how lawyers get rich, too damn much liability involved to perform work such as that, also I have a 2009 Pete in the shop with a frame crack in exactly the same place as that truck, I wouldn’t of worked on it either some jobs you cannot afford to do.
I was wondering what i was looking at for a minute there. I saw what I thought was a welded seam along the frame, nope it the poorly cut off edge. Ending it behind the cab, great spot. I mean it's not like that's where all long frame truck flex the most with torque under load or anything. Surely physics will just skip that section.
I wouldn't call that a "double frame" it looks more like a frame and three quarters. Now just with that obviousness of the poor frame strengthen job, what else was given the halfass treatment I'd wonder. The rears maybe? How about the mounts for the rears, are the bushings in any reasonable shape, brakes? Has there been an overload that has caused either the output shaft from the trans to start to twist fail or same for the input? What about the gears inside, do they have the starts of fatigue cracks or abnormal wear?
I've a strong feeling from where I'm sitting at right now, that the frame is only the most readily apparent danger flag. That underneath, there is so much more just lurking.
I think you are right, what a mess.
Leaving bolt holes open is worse than skipping bolts - hidden corrosion.
I had a Shop in North Afrika
and i m sure have seen a lot ...
But never some stupid work like this ...
Thats a cose for Mr.Harris Torch😂
Grabs torch and welder WHERE DO YA NEED ME 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Would love to hear the person who did this job reason for this type of work 😂😂😂😂
I think I saw that truck for sale near me. Ad read
Daily driver or will sell for parts
Was the original frame bent? It looks twisted by the way the holes line up.
You underestimating the power of that 2x4 to strengthen that frame.
Hell on wheels
I can't belive that anyone who ever even used a meccano as a kid would consider any of those bodges were an improvement, some of them are bordering on criminal I would say
Cab hood engine trans a good start for a glider kit