HDZero is (almost) ready to replace analog FPV // 1W FREESTYLE VTX
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-- TABLE OF CONTENTS --
0:00 - HDZero 1W Freestyle vTX changes ... what?
1:14 - Commercial disclosure
1:38 - Large size of the vTX complicates mounting
2:27 - So how do you install it then?
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4:16 - It can't run off 6S. You need a regulator.
6:16 - Does it really output 1 watt?
8:07 - Flight test at my house.
12:07 - It is so damn cold right now.
12:34 - Analog parking garage penetration test
15:46 - HDZero parking garage penetration test
19:36 - DJI parking garage penetration test
21:11 - Are you going to LOVE this product?
Are you ready to give up analog now?
Noo I think analog for racing ist the best way. Cheap and with a good camera the best choice. And for freestyle also best choice. And Longrange also..
I have a few quads rigged with HDZero, and I just received my first 1Watt. Although I tend to fly cinnewhoops and I like the clarity of HDZero when I am trying to fly smooth and keep tracking on a subject. Analog still has a place in my toolbox though. I don't actually own any DJI gear so that is a level of built in bias.
No, because of the price.
i'm ready. take my money gimme a vrx
Naaaah Monsieur Bardwell. Great video, I'm super interested in the evolution of HdZero, but I have 8 quads and a wing and I'll stick to analog exclusively for the price of digital setups. If I were to choose, I'd choose HdZero mainly because it's not DJI, so you're right about that. I feel like giving my money not to a multimillion dollar multinational but to a company closer to the hobbyists.
Don't worry guys, I recently purchased the dji set up after years of waiting for something better. Since I went all in i'm sure there will be lots of new cheaper digital set ups coming quickly. its my luck.
Dude same......i just got dji 2 weeks ago
Isnt orqa somewhat close to releasing theirs?
I think it will last long since hdzero can be compared with DJI, I mean, they are doing and absolutely nice job, but man y saw the dji vs the hdzero and dji is fucking ridiculous how it looks, it's amazing!!! I think you did a good job buying it
Yeah, I feel your pain. 😬
Thank you good man.
"HDZero wants you to be their customer"
And I want to be able to afford to be their customer, but alas, for now I have to be happy with the analog gear I scored for cheap in 2020.
You're lucky to not have purchased hdzero and stick with analog it seems. And for the price to performance comparison, I will stick with analog also.
Joshua, I enjoyed this video. I felt like you put in a lot of effort to do a good and fair test, and I appreciated the even-handed presentation of the benefits of each system. As you've stated, I don't think it's a unilateral all-or-nothing answer as to which system is best, and I felt that you represented that well. Thanks for putting this together.
Hard to imagine people are upset with this video. Great work JB. You even go above and beyond reaching out to Ryan to review results first. Fair, Objective, Informative and Detailed. What more can we ask for from JB...
Awesome overview I'm kind of surprised with the parking garage test great content as usual 👍🔥
I asked you in a recent live stream and there is more detail to the analog hdzero and a bit of dji topic. This just proved me that I need to wait a bit more for hdzero improvements and stick to analog / dji. Thank you for summarizing everything so nice and objective! I really appreciate your work 🙏
Nice and fair review. I think your conclusions are spot on. Parking garage performance is lower than I'd expect, but I also don't fly in that environment. Biggest benefit of HDZero vs other digital options is the breadth of applications (1s whoop to 5" freestyle / race to long range wing) and a healthy community relationship with the owner, Carl. Thanks Carl for working so hard for us!
a bit of after market support, and warranty would be greatly appreciated, a whoop board that stops working after 2 flights on 2s is inacceptable, all the more when Divimath support isn't responding to any email.
Breadth of application really is the key, I do a little bit of everything, HDZero allows me todo that and then some!
@@cedricgrandseigne keep trying. I know the support team works hard to help people. Carl himself often does direct support
Love it , been watching so many Videos on HDzero and I finally ordered the vtx 🤩
Thanks for continuing to cover HDZero Mr. Bardwell.
I'm very happy with the dji I'm running but its awesome to see how far hdzero is coming along so great watch!!!
Great video and honest review, thx. I did the multiple 25mw-1W test myself and found similar results. I’m still happy with the improvement and love the company for constantly working to improve for its customers and I’m excited to see continued growth. But truth is there’s no magical unicorn 🦄 fairy 🧚♀️ dust yet 🤷♂️
Fantastic work, Joshua! Really great testing! 😃
You know, for me this system is more than mature enough. Yeah, analog can still be better, but think about it. How many video transmitters and receivers are there? You were using pretty specialized equipment to fly analog!
So what we need now is to more companies to jump in and make hardware as well. TBS, Rush FPV, Immersion RC... You know?
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great video Joshua! Very helpful info and thanks for the analogies.
I have switched from analog to HDZ for my mountain surfing quad flights. It gives me slightly higher image quality than analog does to avoid obstacles and see the home point. I. Be loving it for this over analog. This test was relevant for covered structured flying which i never do. IMHO the vtx is a little too large plus the need to add a BEC for my build should have been built in. Thanks for an excellent, fair, review that covered all types of quad flying.
Thanks Joshua for your honest review. Each system has its advantages and disadvantages. HDZERO has made a lot of progress, and we can expect to see more progress coming.
And thanks a lot for all your great work.
The reason a lot of people "love" HDZero, is because it's not DJI.
For me, it sits bang in the middle between analogue and DJI. It's better image quality (when it's clear) than analogue, and better video latency than DJI.
Personally, I would almost categorize it as digital analogue, if that makes sense.
I would certainly never compare it to DJI anymore though. That's like comparing a mid sized saloon car which does great mileage, to a supercar. They're not trying to be the same thing and they're both great at what they ARE for.
it's digital, but it doesn't deal with errors the same way DJI does, so it looks very similar to analog at times.
that comparing is good, because there is a lot of people, who dont know, if they want mid sized saloon car or supercar.
This is worse than analog.
@@boobo well that's just not true at all if you've seen any direct comparisons.
Cool to see the Boa getting some use! Also, nice to know that the new 1W vtx fits without modification :)
I agree with you as first times user and i appreciate last video when addressed camera focus problems. Thanks for sharing your experience
Very good review Josh, glad you went thru all the trouble, and I've to say this is a very fair review..*thumbs up*
Okay, as a DJI pilot thank you for including DJI in the garage test. As a former analog pilot, it’s easy to forget how much better HDZero video image quality is.. until you see it back to back with analog footage. God I wanted it to have the penetration capability sooooo flipping bad 😔. I hope it’ll get there with additional development.
I think Mr Bardwell this was definitely the best HDzero video you've done.
Excellent video
the houston night spot testing showed we can also go 2 up with the right settings both at 1W at the same time. Pretty nice how this system is evolving so fast.
@Joseph Carbone He said in reply to another comment here that his DJI goggles were fitted with iFlight Crystal patches.
@@eatyourvegfpv Yea, I accidentally was logged into the wrong account for my comment. But I can see that in the footage and performance. I think if he had the better patches this test would have been much closer, along the lines of what my test results showed. But still I feel it's pretty good and accurate for bone stock out of the box performance.
@@JoeMommaFPV so with aftermarket antennas hdzero way better?
@@eatyourvegfpv Yeah, those work great and for not much dough either! :)
@@TheBlaznbowls Not even close! lol
Thanks for freezing you butt of for us doing the testing. It was great thanks, learned something today 😉
As a radio technician the idea of powering the VTX directly off the battery that is powering 4x motors makes me ill.
Snark aside, I don't think the issue with your parking deck test is power, it's other issues. If you can manage to not freeze, I think a 500mW test there would be interesting. When multipathing and electrical service are causing the interference more power won't always fix the problem, and may even exacerbate it.
I'd be willing to bet that the DJI link has some very sophisticated signal filtering in play here.
Another test you could run would be to leave the transmitter in one spot in the garage, and take a spectrum analyzer around to various points, figure out some SNR and noise floor. This would really help demonstrate multipathing noise.
jus throw a cap on ther bruh it'll be fiiine
I think Joshua works on wifi so he may cringe a bit himself too
Excellent review Joshua! I think you nailed it regarding the cultural choice. At this point in time, for my type of flying, I am without question missing out a bit by deciding to fly HDZero instead of going DJI. However, I am happy to support a company like HDZero as I want to see more competition in the digital space and I think having companies that are fully committed to the FPV hobby will, ultimately, improve things for us. So I decide to take a hit in order to support the potential HDZero has. Hopefully it won't bite me back 😆
I agree with your sentiment, but it's not a "hit" or a downgrade from DJI. Both systems has benefits and drawbacks, people just need to pick the best for them.
I'm sticking to my DJI set up this is for the others that haven't made the switch to digital. I'm %100 satisfied with DJI goggles
@@trekkin_fpv5272 yeah that's 100% fair. I meant it purely for me personally, as for my type of flying I'd likely benefit more with DJI :) Though coming from analog it's still a fantastic upgrade imho.
@@trekkin_fpv5272 Oh, but it is huge hit! It's not even close! Did you watch the video? DJI was crystal clear on every floor!
@@LehtusBphree2flyFPV Right on, Bro! The others aren't remotely close!
I tried to like this video three separate times. That's how comprehensive this video is.
Your description of HD-ZERO is spot on. FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE
A huge like for using the quad for selfie camera! I am also doing it sometimes and this should be default from now on :D
freezing with the sun out is a nice day in the winter here! greetings from Colorado.
It really is surprising just how much of a difference there is between devices. It makes me hopeful for the future of this tech, there's still room to grow.
Thank you for helping me get my drone in the air
We are really lucky to have u dude
I’ve given up analog a while ago but I’m not going to give up my DJI digital HD anytime soon…. That last flight of yours kind of proved my point
I don't own any FPV... just have a DJI Mini 1.0 with Litchi iOS app in a VR-google solution... I fucking love it!
but I wish I had the Mini 2.0 with Ocusync and the same setup... I just can't afford the official DJI FPV stuff...
but to me this video also showed there is just ZERO reason for MANY of us to not go for DJI...
YES i know WHY and there are situation the other might be prefered...
BUT i mean c'mon that amazing quality goodness means barely any eye-cancer!
Been flying analog and have accepted its limitations. I am platform agnostic. But when DJI came along it was expensive to switch. Got on digital cheaply when the SharkByte/HDZero vrx was $99. So far, I like the variants (whoop, freestyle, etc.) offered by HDZero. Also like the transparency of the HDZero development trajectory and its user community. My new builds will have HDZeros.
Thank you, mr. Bardwell! As always for good info and clear understandable English 👍
Thanks. A great video to understand the actual performance directly.
First of all: THANK YOU Joshua for this great review! And for what you said about us "HDZero guys" , those thoughts were exactly what I feel.
(You learned something today 😆)
I am happy to have the HDZero setup for the most spots I fly and still keep some analog quads for difficult environments.
It's all on the HDO2 anyways!
a flying buddy of mine just got a HDzero system and i have to say, it looked way, way better than analogue.
but the thing we both were amazed of was that he on ch1 400mw with HDzero, me on ch1 DJI 50mbps 700mw we had no interface that would give problems flying. when he passed straight in front of me, i've gotten some micro stutters in my feed, and when i flew straight in front of him he's gotten some minimal lines and a few sprites, when he was flying analogue we had to stay very far apart on channels, and i would still blow his video out if i passed him.
so now we can fly together without having to check channels or even announcing plugging in..
i'll stay on DJI for my quads (and analogue for my long range planes for many reasons) but will advice anyone who doesn't want to go DJI digital to ditch analogue and go HD zero..
very good and helpful video. made my choice so much easier. much appreciated and please keep up with the channel
Seems like a good review. I have invested in HDzero mostly because I’m betting on the future, hopefully it will keep improving.
Excellent review, as always!
I like the music you had in the beginning.
I feel hdzero is new and just getting started. Its only going to get better, and i can't wait to see whats coming down the pike.
It really is incredible how well a signal can be received 3 floors down through concrete and rebar. HD Zero ain't for me and I don't think it'll actually look good any time soon either. I hope I'm wrong though, I don't love the idea of giving my money to DJI for any and all HD needs. Great review JB, this is exactly what we need to see!
Best video on this topic I’ve seen
Thanks for sharing... HDZero is nice, but missing range for bandos... in this I am definitely in one line with you. What I really miss in DJI is Canvas mode, that is so true !!!
Good job. Hdzero biggest issue is the unfortunate timing of these supply issues driving up cost.
My freestyle vtx and Micro cam should arrive today or tomorrow. Can't wait to try it out.
HDZero definitely has its place. I'm happy with the better image quality over analog in my flying environment. The antennas used are definitely more finicky compared to analog. I've settled on the tall axii on the vrx and same brand axii that gets it above the battery, works a treat even for 200mw👍
Thanks for the interesting comparison!
I'm glad i chosen For dji last winter instead of waiting for sharkbyte. I still have analog to. And love it for His simplicity to.
I love the DJI interface. You can basically change anything about the video system and the quad no problem.
Great content as always!
Thanks for honesty.
The DJI video really brought out some great details on that SUV you went by a couple times... @21:00 it sure looks like a cop...
Was searching and searching for this comment. Cant believe no one said anything. "Got to get out of here, got to get out of here..." Yeah, I think that had less to do with the cold and a little more to do with what he realized.... Lol
I have the cam and vtx, just waiting for the receive to be back in stock. Can't wait to switch!
I might buy the hdzero system just to help fund their innovation of it
Crazy! This place is a location on the simulator on the PS4. It looked familiar, once I saw the trampoline I knew for sure. Great vid 👍
A fair and honest review. Thanks for this...
Looking really promising! I’ll never swap all my stuff out for DJI but I’m really contemplating HDZ now. My only issue is I’m using tbs Sixty9’s in most of my quads, so I’ll either have to disable the vtx (is that even possible?) or buy all new nano rx’s.
Really grateful that you eventually did compare them with DJI ).
You called it perfectly with the dji peoples thoughts. Thanks for showing that along with the analog and hd zero. I find the downside of dji is if it drops, there’s no recovering it. Other than that I love the dji system.
If you switch back to 25Mbps you'll find that DJI's signal degrades more gracefully (giving you more warning) and recovers from total loss of signal pretty quickly. 50Mbps can take a very long time, to never..
@@daemn42 I’m always on 25mb but it seems that when it goes it goes.
@@revfpv7908 Ya, when it goes it goes, meaning you see a black screen, but if you put analog or HDZero up against DJI at the same power level in the same NLoS situation I think you'd find analog and HDZero have completely "gone" to 100% static well before DJI gives up. At least that's been my experience (I tested it fairly extensively). I find that I just have to be cognizant of the warning signs DJI provides (Focus mode, lower bitrate, a few stutters) and not just keep pushing it deeper out of LoS until it quits. In many hundreds of flights, I've only lost the signal completely about 4-5 times and I'm almost always pushing it at or just beyond LoS. Couple weeks ago I purposely flew behind a huge rock 2.5 miles out, signal cut out for about 1.5 seconds, and recovered, which is to be expected.
@@daemn42 I agree! DJI simply doesn't hardly ever completely cut out. I don't do long range, so it
s never happened once to me.
There’s one gripe I have with this VTX that Mads Tech pointed out that is missing from this review:
The update port and the MSP/power port should be switched around.
Right now, either the update port is buried in the quad with the MSP port/wires sticking out the side, or the update port is sticking out the side along with the mipi cable and pigtail/antenna.
It would make a lot more sense to have the antenna connector, Mipi connector and MSP/power connector on opposite sides of the VTX, in line with the quad and away from the props. And then have the update port sticking out on the side of the quad.
On a side note, any chance of seeing a test of TrueRCs patch antennas for the HDzero VRX? Perhaps on a day when it’s not freezing in the parking garage?
Awsome video
great video,its your facial expressions that show your opinions,for me anyway,for example at 26:21 made me chuckle lol
Great video, thanks!
I fly DJI, analog and HDZero. HDZero is by far my favorite flight experience and I'm loving the 1w. Works great in the FPVCycle Incisor frame. However I agree with your comments and still fly DJI or analog when I'm in a nasty multipath environment (indoor cinewhoops are a good example). Also, personally I turn down the saturation on that HDZero camera for a more natural image.
21:00 I don't want to go near that car. You mean the Cop? Solid video and super informative. Thank you.
As somebody who has a unique background in RF - sending radio signals through and around concrete is just hard. Add in metal and other stuff... it stays challenging.
It is what it is.
Thanks alot Joshua, I agree with you for the interest on HDZero and defenetly they are the guys who want to go ahead with us. The DJI made benefit of this community experience on the first time and after we developed the hope they left us alone on the bench in our next date with them.
I heard that there will be HDZero goggles coming soon is there any news on that and when to expect it?
Flying underneath yourself in a parking garage is a special kind of a torture test for video - is it possible the directional antennas on the HD zero vrx hamstrung it a little more than the competition? Regardless you pushed me over the edge on trying one of those 1W vtx’s on a proper 5” freestyler…currently I’m only starting to experiment with ultralights and HDZ
Great video!
Wow Just finished the clip and the range/ penetration was a disaster. Fatshark or DJI. At least you are helping me narrow it down. Thanks again Jashua
I got the Shark Byte bundle last year from Rotor Riot on sale for $169. Considering I already Fatshark goggles it just made sense to me being the cheapest way into digital fpv. Now if I had money to burn sure I would've got DJI, but for people on a budget, for racers, or anyone who already has some analog goggles I feel like you get a good bang for the buck. I just got the new Freestyle VTX in my 5 inch paired with the HDZero Micro V2 cam and it slaps.
Really good video dude. I race analogue/HDZero and freestyle dji. You probably went easy on hdzero and I love HDZero 😂
Clear fair test, I think for penetration it went dji, analogue, hdzero.
Yo Joshua I just got my nazgul evoque f5X for 6s and was wondering if you have some prop recommendations if there’s anything better for freestyle than the ones on it and one set for cruising more efficiency
Nice review thanks
Pretty much what I expected, although I would love it to penetrate like analogue or dji does I have to admit Im not sure I'd push my systems that crazy... Just not sure I would. Having said that I agree with your assessment and looking fwd to see what more happens with he system
Hitting the like but is the absolute least anyone can do for so much good content.
The transmission power (1W) is not alone a way to compare it to the other systems. The other important parameter is the receiver's sensitivity (smaller signal it can recognize). Hopefully they can improve the receiver in the future and better performance can be expected.
Hi Joshua, I'm interested to see how HDZero works on a set of goggles that has an HDMI connector but doesn't have HD screens. Is there an improvement or is it the same as analogue. Worth investigating
Still want to try Fatshark HD0’s but it’s not quite in the budget quite yet. Also wouldn’t mind to get the Shark Byte antenna.
The VTX also with the outer shell heat sink to help with cooling. Has anyone thought about a small cooling fan for it? But more things to power, less flight time.
Good review 👍
Too cool. Seriously one of the coolest hobbies out there. Love how you now a days can play with every part of the drones, making your own and modding it to be how you want it. Once I got a house of my own i will dive in to this head first! :D
Pretty fair review, and I am an HDZero user.
I would say that I would have preferred that you used the supplied antenna. Curious that your parking garage performance seemed worse than what some other videos have demonstrated.
Nice test that you did. I would be interested in seeing the results of this test done in the summer also. The reason why is that leaves on trees tend to block signals. Now I know the test was in a parking garage. But if you was to use it out in the area you will be most likely putting leaves between you and me the copter. As radio frequencies rise in the spectrum it is also becomes more bouncy. And things light leaves will absorb signal also. There is so much fun things on this subject it's crazy. But needless to say. my brother and I are ham radio operators and in the winter 440Mhz goes further than it does in the summer. Reason leaves. Nice video loved everything about it
Well damn. I was just able to score NIB VRX, grabbed 1w during pre-orders, got a guy right now printing me a mount for my new V1 Orqa's (I scored as well). I'm just waiting for RunCam V2 to arrive.
Based on these results I'll probably use HDZero in my long-range kwad. But I'll test it in one of my freestyle kwads first.
Looks like it would be great for cruising around and freestyle in open areas. I wouldn't be a bando or parking garage pilot anyway. Looks good for everything other than that!
Thanks, I only fly long range & I'd love some better quality!
I have the original Fatshark HD0 goggles with a HDMI input. Will these work with the HDZero VRX?
If anyone is looking for a frame that will fit hdzero freestyle perfectly without going to a 20x20 FC, look no further than the Iflight Cidora sl5v2.1. It comes with a single antenna mount as well as the dual air unit mount in the photos. Make sure you get m3x16 screws to replace the m3x14 screws that hold part of the arms and center standoffs, the ones it comes with aren’t long enough and strip out.
Doing both atm! Getting 1w
Iove the saturation
I haven’t been in the fpv scene in a while what module are you running in your goggles do they have to be from hdzero or will my rapid fire work?
Nice review. I dont fly bandos or parking garages and almost only micros so HD Zero would be my preference also becouse they care about the fpv community that goes a long way is what i think. And you always have the same latency with hd zero like analog thats also a big plus for me.And a lot of antennas to upgrade.
Eh, I'll stick with analog a little longer. I think HDZero might need to do a few things with their hardware and firmware. Maybe they could make some form of focus mode based on the RSSI of the control signal, sort of like DJI does it. That would probably increase the penetration by quite a bit. Feed this data into the VTX by smart audio, for example.
HDZero will NEVER have the focus mode because it relies on one-way communication and has no data buffer, unlike DJI which retransmits data in case of a damaged packet.
@@nupixelfpv I know, that's why I said that they could potentially send RSSI from the control link (value of 0-1023) to the VTX via Smart Audio. When the quads control link signal starts going down, the VTX alters the way it sends image data to the VRX. This would be a way to actually have two-way communication, even if the VRX can't communicate to the VTX. So you wouldn't have any retransmitting, but with a reduced control signal strength, the VTX could start sending reduced resolution, for example. If the VTX has no image buffer to do encoding on the fly, then it's a problem, of course.
@@ojkolsrud1 they don’t have a frame buffer. There is also no encoding.
@@thirdpartycookie I see - then forget it=P
@@thirdpartycookie Maybe they could just make different error correction and resolution profiles that can be switched really fast. So you just have a switch on your controller and can set the parameters you want really fast while flying.
I would like to switch to HDZERO, never got on the DJI train.
But when is there coming a RX ?
Or is the Sharkbyte the way to go in the long run ?
This is why Amateur Radio operators talk around the world in disaster situations on Analog HF frequencies. Digital is fun, but it either works, or it doesn't. There isn't any gray area, where Analog gives a lot more room for error to get the signal through.
73
Jacques Redmond - WW1ZRD
I learned something today again.
I still don't get why HDZero does not use forward error correction (like Reed-Solomon) to get rid of breakup. I would gladly sacrifice a few pixels of resolution for a more robust connection and there should be more than enough computing power to do FEC.