Would I Still Buy the Garmin R10 Knowing This?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มิ.ย. 2024
- There is a lot of hype around the Garmin Approach R10 launch monitor, but does it really live up to all that it promises to deliver?
I've been using the FlightScope Mevo Plus, TrackMan and PRGR for the last year, so I think I have a good idea on what makes a good portable golf launch monitor and having used the Garmin R10 for the past month, how do I think it compares and is it really worth the buying?
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0:00 - Intro
0:10 - What's great about the Garmin R10
2:06 - Garmin Approach R10 Accuracy vs TrackMan
5:40 - Why not to buy a Garmin R10
7:15 - Final thoughts
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Found this video less than an hour after ordering an R10 and am feeling very confident about it now. Great review!
Awesome! I think you'll be very pleased with your purchase - enjoy!!
How has it been?
Lol. Exactly the same here. I ordered mine 20 minutes ago.
@@glennrudolphvery displeased with mine. No accuracy on the flight path inside or outside. If I can't trust the the ball is going where it says it's going then it's worthless to me. Changed to the raosodo mlm2 pro instead and much more pleased with the results
@@JonPerkinsGolfone year later and I'm echoing the comments. Garmin 10 arrived yesterday - looking forward to my first home garden session this weekend. Thanks for the video!
Love the content & delivery keep it up, been following your channel from the start 👍
Wow, thanks so much for saying this. Really great encouragement, thank you.
Good review; I like all the relevant pros and cons you evaluated with clarity.
Thank you, appreciate that!
as far as I am concerned , after looking at so many "customer tests on you tube , I finally bought it ..... and I don't regret it a single second ! This R10 is just magic ! so many possibilities ! Just run and get it !
Glad you're enjoying it
Been down few rabbit holes now researching Launch Monitors, I was leaning towards the R10 as it captures what I am looking for and your excellent presentation has nailed it for me. Being algorithm based for much of the data is what it is, but it is accurate enough for what I need. The R10 it is.
I think you'll be pleased with it. Very solid unit!
Hey Jon, I recently found your channel and just wanted to say your videos rule and the production / editing is top notch. Keep them coming!
That's really great to hear - thanks for the feedback! Appreciate the encouragement.
Thx, for the great information, i am definitely interested.
Good luck with your decision making!
After 3 months of use, I have found that the garmin r10 is fantastic. It definitely compares to the big boy launch monitors. Golf is to be played outside on the course. This devise is the perfect practice monitor indoors during our rough winters here in Michigan. Well done brother.
Thank God I'm not the only one from michigan wanting a winter time practice without going to a full sim setup
Good review, thanks.
Much appreciated!
Thx for sharing your thoughts! What about the club face angle - is that measured or estimated?
Interested in accuracy of club path and face angle as this is a key thing I work on that I don’t get from my repairing
Hey Chris, I'm actually away right now and don't have it to test further. Maybe in the mean time others on here might have a more helpful answer?
I've had the R10 for 5 months and am very happy with it. I use it mostly on the driving range and sometimes the course when quiet. For the money, it is incredibly accurate for at least 90% of shots-as good as much more expensive units (I've tried them all). About 1 in 10 shots is a misread, meaning shape is different than real (i.e. face to path etc). When I download my session data to excel, I can see that about 50% of shots have 'measured' spin versus 50% with estimated. I'm guessing the measured ones are when it reads a ball logo or other marking. For home use, I'd imagine you don't even need the RCT balls, just find one it measures rather than estimates based on a ball logo and position. 8 out of 10 times, it has hardly any missing data but for some reason, around 2 out 10 sessions on the range it can miss the face and path data on say 1 in 4 shots-I'm guessing this is set up, possibly the height of unit versus mats on range or something, I do believe with more time, I'll solve i (-i.e. get to know exactly why is misses shots some sessions, but not others). I mostly want to work on face and path and attack angle, and for this, it is good for at least 90% of shots-which is good enough unless you are an aspiring pro (my lowest handicap = 7). It also seems to be incredibly accurate with ball speed and carry distance, whereby even range balls are measured correctly versus real balls etc (i.e my 175 yard 6 iron only reads at 155-165 on the range and properly at 175 on the course-so now I love finding ranges with real golf balls even more....). Even though it is not perfect with ease of set up, it is a clear winner for me in being able to put it behind you on a tee box and measure 4 drives quickly which I doubt would be feasible with any of the others (i.e. when you only have literally 1-2 minutes spare)....all in all, it's clearly by far and away the best value device there is- if you want to pay 4 times the price for halving that 10% imperfection (even trackmans are not perfect), then, by all means, argue there are more accurate devices, but only to a small degree and not enough to justify the price gap for me (2 range sessions a week most of year plus 1- 2 games when weather decent).
Great review!
Thanks mate.
Great content, keep it coming. Love the review.
That's great to hear, really appreciate the support, thanks!
I got the R10 connected up with the GSPro (run via PC) so essentially 4k golf graphic, the ultimate sim experience dollar for dollar
Top advice, thanks!
How much is the gspro?
@@asmith7126 $250 usd subscription per year. IMO Worth it if you have a decent setup at home.. maybe a projector setup or a good net to hit into with a monitor for the PC near to look at (although not as immersive) ps. Must have a capable pc to run the game on which can be a decent investment if you don’t have that already. Hope that helps 🙏
@@WithSeb thanks, that does help.
Hi Jon, really great review. Would love to know how you compared it to Trackman in club path and club open/close. Do you feel that is accurate enough for a novice to work on swing path?
In general I think it's a brilliant option for beginners and novices...much higher levels also. Everyone will be different in there expectations and understanding of numbers and swings, but it certainly gives you a much better view on your game than just beating balls alone.
Hi Jon, do you use the Titleist RCT golf balls made for launch monitor use? Just curious if they should be something to use with my r10. Thank you for the great content Jon!!
Hey Tony, really appreciate that, thanks! Funnily enough I just (this week) got my hands on the RCT balls - been hard to track down. I'm going to get testing them to see what the difference is. Will let you know!
I second what the other commented said. I think I saw a video from Lets Play Thru which says that the spin number accuracy is vastly improved if you are using the metallic sticker. Combine that with awesome golf or E6 which have better interface than Garmin's native app and perhaps Garmin is even more attractive to casual golfers.
Brilliant feedback and tips, thank you.
Try GSPro, it is even better!
This info is correct !
Fantastic video thank you! I am a 1 handicappper and use Trackman in my lessons but I obviously can’t afford one so I am thinking of buying a GarminG11 . Do you know how accurate it is for club, path as this is good for me to know and what I use in my lessons? I appreciate it may not be exactly right but I don’t want it if it’s completely off. Seems not much difference from the numbers you did which is v impressive! Thanks!
My opinion and I think it's echoed by a lot of other users in the comments, is that it's really pretty accurate so long as you take the time to set it up correctly (which isn't much time at all!). Also, seems a lot of positive comments on how much the Titleist RCT balls help (I've not been able to get hold of any yet). It's pretty great bang for buck.
Top review 👌 Jon
Thanks for that!!
I noticed that my swing speed and distances on the E6 with the garmin r10 were short by about 6-10% and then my brother tried it tonight and it was spot on for him. He's a righty and I'm a lefty, we tried setups geared towards a lefty, a righty and one in the middle and mine were consistently shorter and his were more accurate. Calibrated every time and kept the distances the same. Anyone else notice this issue with lefties or is my swing to odd to be picked up by radar? I'm having a lefty 5 handicapper come over soon to try it out, so I can update after
As a fellow lefty, and used to be disadvantaged 😉 how are you going now with the data?
Had mine about 3 months, use it outside in a net with a black backing sheet, 6ft from unit to tee, 9ft to the net. Once you have it setup properly its great, the black backing def helps ! It didnt like white for me. Also adding a speck of foil tape seems give more consistent spin rates. Great for a begginer looking for some feedback. if you can afford the awesome golf app that too that really takes it up a level (you get a free trial)
Awesome inout, thanks!
where are you putting the foil tape ?? thinking of buying one
@@anthonyscaglione1509 anywhere on the ball, just a small tab, I like to place it on the tee so it's spinning straight for the r10 but I will say that it's still not bang on the money, also total distance/carry is short, it's getting better with updates but I have to adjust altitude to get close to my on course numbers. Bottom line - It's good fun and has helped my game and made my practice more enjoyable but it's not a trackman or GC quad and can be frustrating initially imo anyway. The absolute golf app was really good but I haven't managed to justify the £300 for it as yet :( any question feel free to ask
You’re 6 feet from unit to tee, 9 feet to net….are you saying 9 feet from tee to net OR 9 feet from unit to net? TIA…. we’re having some trouble getting it to work consistently
Great review
Thank you
you can now also download all the data from your session into excel to further analyze the performance of your session!
Love your net where did ya get it? Great video
Thanks. It's from the Net Return - actually did a video on my channel about it. I've tried various brands, definitely rate this one though.
Good video thanks! What is the net you are using in the garden?
Thank you! The net is a Net Return V3. I did a short video on my channel about it if you want to know more, otherwise in Australia I got mine from a place called The Net Return Australia, but they're a US company and sold worldwide (I think). I've tried a few different brands and stuck with this one.
Cheers Jon, Im getting one!
Good luck, enjoy!
I have the monitor and it registers the 1st shot. Having a hard time figuring out how to register another shot without ending the session and starting a new session. Seems like a session should be able to register multiple shots.
interesting the you get calculated soin on every shot on the trackman.
I am curious about the distance from your tee to the net and the distance from the R10 to the tee. I have the R10, will be buying a net shortly and a mat. I also have a small mat for the R10 to make it the same level.
I just stick to the info it suggests, it seems pretty solid no matter if it's a little off. I always use the small mat to keep the on the same level though, I think that part seems important.
Would be curious to know how the spin axis compared. I know in the video you said the shot shape seemed accurate, it just seems that a lot of reviews show the Garmin struggling to read a draw properly (i.e. Trackman or GC4 will read a draw and the R10 thinks it’s a push). Did you experience any of that in your testing?
Hey Justin, I'm actually away right now and don't have it to test further. Maybe in the mean time others on here might have a more helpful answer?
This breakdown is fantastic but try also searching David Maxwell r10 and you will find a load of videos on r10 and in-depth info on set up, numbers and comparisons. In summary Titleist rct balls help with spin measurement for the R10. My take is spin axis is totally fine for wedges up to 5i with normal non-rct balls. Ive never had a read where it was a fade and it's come up as a draw or vice versa. Once you go to the longer clubs I find the spin and carry can be questionable (non rct balls). For me it's more spin (and therefore short carry) as opposed to spin axis(direction) being wrong.
Also id note that set up is important with the R10. It must be pointing directly down the target line. If it's aimed right or left of target you will get shots that reflect that skew. Also you want it roughly the same height as your mat or slightly higher. It only takes me a couple of minutes to set it up but I bought a little stand for it with a built in laser sight so it's dead easy.
Great job
Thanks!
Jon, You hit only one shot with a wedge and it went 72 yds. Does the R10 give you accurate distance numbers in the 40 - 100 yard "scoring range"? That's what I'm really interested in when considering when considering which monitor to buy.... Thank you in advance for your reply
Hey. Off video I've hit lots of wedges and it's solid. I doubt any monitor is perfect and you can possibly slightly improve accuracy with the RDT balls from Titleist, or the silver dot method, but it is good and certainly helps with practice.
I've seen enough on the r10. At the time it was good. Now the amount of fuss ppl have to do to get it to work right it just to much. The deal breaker is the spin. It just doesn't get that right. I need to know what shot shape the ball is flying. It's just to inaccurate for that. I will say take caution if you want to practice with it to learn shot shape. Mlm2 pro seems to be better. Hopefully in a year something better will come out.
Hey how is the club face and swing path stats compared to trackman? For the golfers out there who are looking to make real progress with their game this could be an useful comparison to highlight. Thanks!!
Totally agree!
Agreed, carry and total distance is nice, but that's low stakes to me. I don't personally care if its off by 5 yards. But the swing and club stats are what I think are more useful to improve your swing and form.
@@JAlexanderCurtis i wish he had responded to this. It would have been really valuable info.
Me too! Can't seem to find the answer to this anywhere
I scrolled down to the comment section to find the answer to this since it is exactly what I want to know.. Anyone?
How well does this do with higher club speeds like 135+? And club path, attack angle and face to path?
You can’t out speed the Doppler, it’s shooting RF at billions of Hertz, it would be able to detect a hyper sonic missile going by… as long as it isn’t the intended target 😂
Great video, I to have a Mevo and the only downside is the rubbish battery and the fiddling about you have to do to switch it on, I've had it 2 years now and the battery has totally gone, i have changed it for the very same model battery and now it will not charge, for this reason......I'm out. I'm not looking for spot on 2-3 yards out and 10-20 yards on driver is OK, is this something I should be looking at.
I have to agree with the on/off thing...for some reason I always take a few minutes to get it to turn off properly. Thought it was just me being stupid!
What’s the make of the driving cage you have in the garden?
Hi Nim, it's a Net Return. Great net and I've tried a few... Did a quick video on my channel recently about it, if you want to know more.
All im wanting is a launch monitor that gives me accurate carry and distance and left and right movement that I can hit into a net
Would this work with those practice balls, the rubber soft ones?
I doubt it, but I'm not certain. Honestly can't say that I've tried.
How does the Garmin compare to the FlightScope Mevo+ in your opinion? Thanks!
Very well! The Garmin is so easy to setup and use, super portable and a great price. Possibly depends how demanding you are of a unit and what it does for you but I feel the Garmin is a great bang for buck option.
What net do you have that you are using outside with the Garmin R10? I am thinking of setting up a similar setup with the Garmin R10 outside to get more use of outside practices at home.
Hey Dan, there's a short video on my channel about that because I've made some mistakes with the net in the past. For me the Net Return is the absolute best.
Jon, thanks for your response. I sent my comment before the end of your video and then saw your Net Return video pop up. Looks like you have a great setup that I might replicate.
@@Dan-en4jd haha good old TH-cam! I'm really pleased with my setup (given what options I have in space etc). I got it wrong at the start but this net and a good mat were helpful for me. Good luck.
Tell more about your net, brand, model. Thanks
Hey Jerome, thanks for watching. I've actually posted a video about the net on my channel. It's a Net Return - by far the best I've tried.
May i ask what netting are you using in the video outside?
Yeah, it's from the Net Return. I also have a short video on my channel about it. Definitely the best net I've used at home.
Is the driving range on the Garmin app free? I don't want to have to pay for any subscriptions.
Hi Nijel, yes there are a few basic options like that included and then it's subscriptions to upgrade to better/fancier versions.
what brand is that net behind you in the backyard
Hey, it's a Net Return. If you're looking into nets I did a quick video about it, also on the channel. It's definitely the best I've tried. Cheers, Jon
£18k vs £600 for a difference in 100 spin or 2 yards. Even if I was a tour pro I can’t see why you’d pay the extra. The accuracy of that Garmin seems unbelievable for the cost. And the data it provides for each shot individually seems ideal. Grouping multiple shots maybe the software needs a tweak (typical Garmin, no doubt a beta for the next 2 years 😅) this must be the best bang for buck launch monitor out there?
It's definitely a solid option for people, yes.
Because the pros get it for free if they allow the company to say something like "Used by Tour Pros Tiger Woods and Colin Morikawa." Lol As for us normal people, The R10 is a fantastic device for the money we actually have to spend on it 😆
How accurate is the club path and face angle readings?
It's not it can't be I was just watching the video to see how they claimed this other data but they don't have cameras to look at the club so therefore it's made up fantasy confabulated data for half of the metrics. For what it does do it does it well. And is plenty good enough for all of us but it takes some balls to act like they are giving you real Club data Garmin company
Nice video. I would add quite a bit as i have been using R10 for just shy of a yr. Mostly inside with sim.
1st, if you want most accurate data(spin) the Titleist RCT ball is needed. Its metal lined to help R10 read ball. Expensive, i dont use as i have no issues.
2nd, garmin app is the worst. Device offers garmin, awesome and E6…awesome is the best by a million miles and 100% worth the cost.
3rd, buy a stand for the R10 that has leveling feet. Even 1/4 inch off level can give you biases. Slightly left tilt can give you draw bias for example.
4th, calibrate EVERY use, takes about 10 seconds in garmin app.
5th, instructions say 7ish feet from net and unit. 9-10 ft to net and 7 1/2 ft to R10 is far better and numbers are more accurate for me. Its algorithm based so the longer it can read the better.
Brilliant, thanks for all the great input!
@@JonPerkinsGolf My pleasure and hope it helps. Unit is awesome and with these little tweeks is even better.
P.S. Awesome golf just recently updated to keep stats in awesome community app. Go to session stats and click 1 button and it emails you stats for every shot hit in that session…brilliant.
FYI, the italicized spin rate on the Trackman means it did not read the spin; it is calculating the spin based on observed launch conditions.
I'm not sure how the facility you are at has the Trackman set up or what balls they are using, but those numbers will not be entirely accurate without measured spin either.
Thanks for that! I'll ask them 👍
Can you get everything to play on a laptop or a tv screen? Instead of just on your phone or tablet.
Sure can!
I want to invest in a launch monitor that is less than $1,000 CAD and the two best one seems to be the Garmin R10 and the Rapsodo MLM 2 Pro. Is the data accuracy/reliability of the MLM 2 better than the Garrmin because of camera/doppler radar? I will be using the unit mostly on the range outside and in a bakyard net. Thanks, Luc
Hey Luc, I've not tried the MLM 2 but seen some good feedback. Perhaps others on here have tried it?
Don't forget to factor in the subscription costs for both. For the Garmin, you only have to pay for a subscription if you want to use it as a simulator, whereas for the MLM 2 the subscription is needed to access basic features.
What golf net are you using?
Hey Steven, there's actually a video about it on my channel. It's a Net Return - I've tried a few, this is easily the best home net for me.
So basically you can ignore the spin from R10?
I've heard a lot about the foil dots and special launch monitor golf balls helping. I think you just have to take a few extra steps.
What net do you use?
Hey mate, it's a Net Return. There's a video on my channel about it if you're interested in seeing it better.
Did you use the RCT balls?
Hey John, no I've been struggling to get hold of any.
should have compared ball speed and not total distance as that is very course condition specific and means nothing really. Ball speed and spin are far more important as well as spin axis
Great feedback, thanks!
I mean that’s pretty damn incredible. To me that just shows up trackman’s ludicrous price
It's a solid option, that's for sure!
Mine doesn’t work good at all. My driver is hitting 60 yards. High or low shots
Really, never heard anyone have many issues. Assuming you have it all set up correctly, I'm not sure what to suggest, I've never seen an issue like that.
@@JonPerkinsGolf I haven’t updated it through a pc yet so that could be in. My setup is it’s in my garage. 14 foot ceilings. Using a golf tent that has a net. The tee isAbout 8 feet from the entrance to the net. The garmin is about 7 feet behind the tee. I used a 6 foot level to make sure it’s straight. I have concrete. I use a 1x2 foot green for tee off
I have the Garmin and I like it, but the new Rapsodo MLM 2 Pro is going to blow it away. Early side by side test against GC4 and Trackman suggest it’ll be super accurate for the $700 price tag. And because it’s using photo and radar for ball data you get more measured data where the Garmin calculates some of those data points. Can’t wait to see more.
The rapsodo is only that accurate if you use the balls it comes with. The Garmin is within 5% of trackman and GC quad if you use regular balls and they say less than 3% difference with Titleist RCT balls. The Rapsodo and Garmin are pretty much even.
@@Cursedfenix the Rapsodo has the advantage of using both photo and radar technology and has demonstrated much more accurate spin numbers than the R10 using RCT balls. I think Golf City did a side by side comparison of the R10 and MLM2 Pro using the RCT and the RPT balls compared against the GC3. The MLM2 Pro was nearly dead on from Wedge all the way up to Driver. The R10 struggled as ball speeds increased and spin dropped. Just doesn’t have a long enough window to get an accurate reading.
Titleist rct balls? Improved data. Plus garmin gives better data points such as club path face to path etc which is more critical points that the Rapsodo is missing unbelievably?
@@N_Els the Garmin was very hit or miss for me. I’d play a round on the sim and would have to hit enough balls to play 2-3 rounds to get through a round because of missed shots (shots the unit didn’t pick up). It’s not a bad little unit for $500. But to me the Rapsodo does a better job for just a couple hundred dollars more…..
@@N_Els the Garmin is “estimating” those critical factors, it’s not measuring them. And it doesn’t seem to guess very well when the data doesn’t match the ball flight I’m seeing because the accepted variance is so big. I hit a shot that I see is shaping right to left and the Garmin is giving me left to right and club face/path numbers that support the path it gave me and not the actual ball flight. Short of you hitting some extreme path or face angle numbers it’s about as good as the weather man at guessing. The thing for me is the Rapsodo is measuring spin with the RPT balls and the Garmin is guessing at spin too…. The Garmin tries to give you $5K LM numbers by guessing and often guessing not great or just straight up wrong…. The Rapsodo sticks to giving you really good numbers it can actually measure.
Can I use this on a projector and a pc without e6?
Yes it comes with it's own course and range that you can use without E6. It's more basic but definitely does a job.
Use titleist rct balls for better spin rates
Thanks for the tip. I've been trying to get hold of some - they seem like gold dust right now...
You can use awesome golf aswell
Very true
I've noticed swing path is completely off, not a deal breaker but I've been trying to change to a draw shape but I'm still getting 20L 🤣
Also invest in some metallic dots or aluminium tape , and record accurate spin numbers .
Awesome golf is a great app , try the free trial, great coaching mode
Awesome tips, thanks! Does aluminium tape work?
@@JonPerkinsGolf yes look it up online
the fact that they make paywalls and subscriptions on these already expensive devices just to "unlock features" drives me crazy. they know people who want to golf have money and they exploit it
Capitalism baby
If i was your neighbor id be pissed if you didnt let me hit on your range.
Range open to all 😀
Don't use trackman indoors!
How come?
Because it needs to track the ball flight as it uses doppler radar. The Quad would be the far better choice!
It’s a horrible piece of junk. So frustrating due to inconsistency and ghost shots. Use your $500 on lessons or just playing.