Oil consumption and decarbonizing oil rings works? How to clean oil rings without removing pistons
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Works great removing carbon amzn.to/3Q6JNqJ
Easy method to clean pistons
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One thing to realize is that carbon deposits are very hard . It has been a real problem in the competitive shooting community. Abrasive removal with dedicated carbon cleaners REGULARLY is the only method known to help keep accuracy up, and wear and dangerous pressure down. FreeAll has been getting good comments lately. The chemical makeup of carbon ,whether petroleum or nitrocellulose is laid down in layers in high temperature environments. Never have had any luck removing carbon by soaking alone with any chemical I have. Will try Freeall and see. Thanks. Great series of vids. Smashed sub , and like buttons.
how did it go with freeall
@carenthusiast6748 Wish I could tell you. My borescope took a vacation , so I can't really tell. My groups seem to have tightened slightly after the customary 4 shot bore foulers. But this isn't definitive. Just another chemical tool in my arsenal of cleaners for carbon ,powder and copper!
Well, seeing as a lot of folks have reported good success with this working it would appear there might be a difference between firearms and internal combustion engines which are literally floating in oil their entire lives. My H&K is not living in oil thats for sure.
RepairVehicle:: I have a 2020 Tundra TRD PRO I changed my Front & Rear Diff & most of my transmission fluid to Amsoil probably 8 months ago & got no distinguishable MPG improvements. However, I've finished with my Free oil changes from the dealership and changed my Oil to Amsoil Sig. Series 0W20 3 days ago at 20,650 Miles on truck. I just got back from a 50 mile round trip and my MPG was 18.9 miles per gallon which is really 19+ because I have 35's on my Tundra. I can hardly believe it but I witnessed it and took a pic of my dash for the trip back!!!! I am now definitely a believer in Amsoil SS products. The oil change is fresh so I still want to see how it does after about 1000 more miles to make sure this isn't a fluke. I am getting ready to take a 600+ mile 1 way trip tomorrow. If this MPG continues this is going to be amazing because my truck is only rated for 17MPG on the highway and that was with the smaller lighter stock Tires. Thanks for continuing to make your videos and your fervent belief in Amsoil.
Thank you for sharing your experience with Amsoil. I have not heard from anyone yet who tried Amsoil and did not see any difference
@@repairvehicle yes ..would like to change transfer case fluid to Amsoil also but they have no fluid for the 2020 since Toyota went to that single weight fluid
I personally think it’s garbage fluid single weight. I need to get my hands on and do some testing
@@repairvehicle thanks I'd appreciate it as I'd love to put Amsoil in it. It's crazy expensive for that Toyota transfer case fluid though
@@dalephillips8250 I bought a 2022 c8 corvette after 700 miles I changed the oil to amsoil 0-40. The runs quiet mileage is up. The only oil that is 100% synthetic.
Would have been better to leave the head on, spray carb cleaner through the spark plug hole, then rotate the engine by hand. Doing this, it creates compression, and that compression forces the carb cleaner through the rings.
Head was not removed to clean carbon, it was removed for different purposes
I did piston soak with b12 through glow plug holes as per diy dave instructions and my oil consumption reduces from 1.2l/1000km to 0.2l aprox from single treatment (i might do it again to see if improves further) so yeah it does do something if you want to try before you tear engine apart. I literarly almost got it rebuilt but tried this as last chance fix
Im also a DIY Dave sub aha, would you be willing to try a white vinegar soak? I saw a video on YT the results where pretty amazing it unstuck the oil ring and cleaned pretty well, although carbon deposits where still present
Do not use vinegar, it’s acidic and will cause corrosion
Which b12 did you use ?
@@truebengalsfan b12 injector cleaner
Any idea what do use if in Europe where B12 is not available? :P I see SDS for B12 says it is mostly toluene and acetone.. I see some paint thinners with this mix that I can get. What do you think?
Thank you so much - you the only person who actually shows this procedure with the head off and you made a really good point about the risk so I think I am going to skip as much as I really want to try this method it is risky as you video proved a point that the cleaner could just sit on top of the pistion or it could loosen up carbon that will cause more problems
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While I appreciate the OP's line of thinking, he also is not doing anything much similar to a piston soak.
I would say anyone not mechanically inclined should indeed avoid this. Anyone else who has the aptitude to change a spark plug, AND follow simple instructions, its worth a shot as you're unlikely to hydro-lock your vehicle.
Cover the open plug holes with some cloth and crank the start several times. Replace cloth/paper and keep doing that until fluid no longer shows on the cloth/paper.
Re-install plugs, do an oil change, and go.
Worst thing is either your rings are no the problem and you wasted some hours and $40-50, or like a lot of folks you see a good decrease in oil burning and saved either a $2K repair or shopping for a new vehicle.
I have an idea. If the crank position stays locked and intake and exhaust is sealed, you could pump diesel through the oil filter mount for a few days to super clean the engine. It could remove all carbon around above the pistons and valves. The pump should have pressure gauges and a couple filters on it to prevent particles from going back into the engine. When you think it's ready, pump a few gallons of cheap oil through the engine to get the diesel out, and after a hour of idling do a oil change.
Diesel flowing through the oil galleries won’t clean the piston rings
Or the valves
Now inject it though the spark plug hole? You might be onto something
@@moeriou8431 That’s a idea. Then shop vac the diesel out through the spark plug hole. Worth a try.
@@markm0000 Whatever you want to put in the cylinder, if you crank it generously with the spark plugs out, it will evacuate the cylinder, and you won't have to worry about hydro-lock. Saw it done on an old Cadillac that went in a lake accidentally, in a copy of Classic Auto Restorer back in the day. Now with today's central and deep spark plug holes, you might have to rig up a shop vac with a smaller hose to make sure everything gets out of that hole and channel.
You crank the engine with sparm plugs out....
"Word in da streets" 😂 👍
Thanks for making this video, I've been wondering about this exact thing. Still have to wonder if there isn't a magic solution for an oil burning engine like the 2AZ-FE that can free up those oil control rings, even if it means having to pull out any remaining fluid in the combustion chamber. Something that could rejuvenate these engines without having do to a complete rebuild.
I'm wondering that about a 2AZ-FE as of today lol. I can't afford help with a rebuild and don't have a few special tools I'd need.
Sticky carbonized oil ringscan be freed and unsticked with continuous oil flushes using each time premium 5w30 oil which has the highest TBN value possible. About 10 times with 500 miles between each oil service.
@@hanynowsky interesting.
Someone mentioned on TH-cam comments to unplug the PCV valve hose and leave one end open while the other end plugged. The theory is more on blow-by, and opening the hose will allow the sludge to be pushed out by the force of blow-by. On the contrary, a clogged PCV will do the opposite and causes the oil rings to clog up. Cleaning the PCV (or replacement) is AS CRITICAL AS CHANGING OIL!
For already-clogged up engines (rings I mean), it’s worth to try! I’m on the same boat as many 2AZ owners.
@@jrm163 Its crazy how many people don't know or refuse to replace a $10-15 PCV valve. I'm stupid, I inherited my wife's 06 Murano at 120K and just replaced it at 168K as I thought it had already been replaced... Doh.
Good video, and yes there are gotchas like hydro-lock that can take place.
However not sure you can say piston soaking with B12 does not work from this demo.
Most of the YT vids on this usually are done with adding an ounce or two to each cylinder and then either re-installing the plugs or covering them.
This reduces the B12 abilities to aerosolize/evaporate, especially if you can reinstall the plugs.
Once you've added the B12 and plugs, you bump the crankshaft a bit, and then top-off/bump every 2/4/6 hours until you either run out of B12 or have had enough/need the vehicle.
The smart folks do an immediate oil change, the stupids start the car, rev it up happy to see it smoke, and then drive it around for a while.
Needless to say, high revs or load on an engine with thinned out oil is quite possibly making a simple carboned up ring problem much more serious as a bearing/journal issue.
Thing is, a lot of people have done this since before YT was thing, and its kind of hard to assume all of them were talking BS. A lot of the YT guys, especially the Audi guys seem to mostly have sane, no-BS channels, and between them and numerous comments from some of their viewers, its seems to often work.
As an alternative to dropping $1500-2000 to have a mechanic pull the engine and tear it apart to get to the rings and then reassemble it all, a $20 Supertech full synthetic, $5 filter and $10-12 2x cans of B12 is certainly not a stupid idea all things considered.
Just for the non-mechanics, make sure you cover the plug holes before re-installing plugs with cloth or rags and keep cranking the start until liquid stops shooting out. If you're not sure the cylinders are all empty of fluid just let it sit for some hours and check with a piece of dry paper towel on a pencil.
I did not say it did not work.
Thanks for the great video!
What do you have and mileage?
@@repairvehicle 03 Dodge 4.7 at 116,000.
Oil consumption?
its good to heat up the engine beforehand so it evaporates surely, i guess the temperature also helps dissolving the carbs
Hey I was told to free up piston rings fill cylinder with ATF and let sit. Now maybe do a combination of ATF and this additive. Let soak for a day. Make sure cylinders are clear if liquid before starting. Also maybe repeat process.
Nice video
ATF is a lubricant and not a cleaning fluid
Yeah, ATF doesn’t have the cleaning dispersants it used to have years ago.
Not to be rude, but you need to reasses some of the people you are taking advice from.
B12 has worked for a lot of folks, even if this channel's creator does not believe in it.
Most of the junk you here on the internet as 'old mechanic's' wisdom was relevent in the 50s and maybe through the 60's.
Anything involving transmission fluid and most of the products on the shelves in the local parts stores are bunk.
Bonistheoilguy is a great site which debunks a lot of this and has steller oil and associated fluids information and hard data.
@@repairvehicle not exactly true. It's a cleaner as well.
@@danielk7111 Dextron III does
Will "italian tune-up" (driving at higher rpm to increase the engine temperature) burn off the carbon off the stuck piston rings?
I have Alfa Romeo 159 2.2 JTS, and it is burning about 230-250 ml of oil every 1.000 km.
You will damage engine if you going run at such High temperatures. Engine oil consumption and 4 reasons to eliminate. Engine burning oil
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@@repairvehicle I don't mean continuosly driving at high rpm, but driving "sporty" rather than "normaly". My car has coolant and also oil temperature gauge. Oil temperatures have never reached even 120 oC at higher loads. Operating temperature for oil is 110 oC.
I will check out that video.
@DashCamSerbia it takes about 1000c temperature to burn of carbon for about at least 20 minutes. If you get your engine to 1000c damage is unavoidable
@@repairvehicle Not the engine temperature itself, the combustion chamber temperatures. They are even higher than that, and piston rings are close to the combustion chamber.
@DashCamSerbia if you get pistons temperature to a 1000c temperature for a short time you will burn a hole or crack a pistons. Italian tune up is just a false information that doesn’t work. What oil are you using now and how often do change?
If you do this, make sure before you start it you add some oil to each cylinder so it doesn’t start dry and add to your problems
oil through the spark plug hole? how much?
@@carenthusiast6748 just a tiny bit with a funnel.
@@carenthusiast6748 I poured the little bit of oil in, turned the engine over with key and the plugs out a few times to re lube the piston Rings and make sure there’s not enough in there to cause a hydro lock
@@bradbozarth3235 i used liqui moly engine flush before my oil change yesterday but it sill burned 250ml/130km ish so probably 1L/500-600km... so thats probably the block done for.. cant get b12 or seafoam here in europe, might try yamalube piston free in an last ditch effort (Its a Avensis 2.4L 2AZ FSE)
No, don't do this.
99% of people outside of actual mechanics and actually knowledgeable DIY'ers are just as likely to end up bending valves, rods, etc, by hydro-locking.
Assuming an oil change has NOT been done after re-installing plugs, oil pump, filter, sprayers, etc are all ready to go as soon as the crank starts to move. By then time the starter has turned the engine over 2-3 times and it catches, oil will already be being sprayed onto the cylinder walls.
If one was doing this on a $200K car, then yes one could add this to the billable hours as a precaution.
There is still going to be oil on most of the cylinder walls to make this a non-issue.
B12 does evaporate quickly, I would say that small amount did evaporate.
hi dear
i do have a question for you
i have a 2019 audi Q7 55 premium plus
i bought this car 7 months ago was have a 33.514 miles now 39.000
and every two weeks or every 600 miles i have to add 1 quarter oil
that means i have a problem with consumption oil
what is your opinion about that problem ? and how to fix it Thanks for your expertise
What brand of oil are using?
You must have a leak somewhere
@@repairvehicle 0 w 40
@@repairvehicle there's no leak
@@repairvehicle its from the dealer audi i did the oil change last 09/22/2023
Piston oil return holes how to unclog them without take engine apart? This is million dollar question.
If you have piston with clogged oil return hole handy, could you try burn out the gunk in the return hole?
Maybe possible to take off oil sump and burn out the gunk in oil return holes?
Any ideas, I"ve been trying to solve this problem for a long time.
Actually using this oil can help with gunk, see details with graph www.amsoil.com/p/amsoil-5w-20-100-synthetic-high-mileage-motor-oil-hm520/?zo=5257753
thanks I repeat my question, if you have a piston with gunk in oil return holes on your bench, can you try to burn it out with tiny flame or similar?@@repairvehicleI'm asking if you can try this?
Yes you can try. However you going to create a problem by overheating rings and pistons by burning soot and gunk with mini torch. Overheated pistons and rings will be softer and will break down
interesting, maybe small laser will do the job, only burn the soot in the hole, its such difficult problem to solve without take engine apart, you can free the rings no problem, but these oils etc, dont clean out the oil return holes@@repairvehicle
@namenotshown9277 to remove all gunk and carbon buildup 100% you have to remove pistons. If you want lower oil consumption, use high detergent oil and it will clean up holes and rings
High Detergent Oil? Recommendations?
For what?
Liqui moly special tec b fe 5w30.
Tbn = 11.7
Tbn is not a detergent
@@repairvehicle TBN not tbs!
Total Base Number is the capacity for a given oil to neutralize acids and carbon organics and combustion by-products. The higher the TBN the cleaner is the engine. By cleaning acids the engine is protected from wear and tear.
You still wrong about tbn, it has nothing to do with detergent
Well there way people do it . Put it cyclinder tdc and use leak down test kit with compressor. So liquid go through easily.
People do many dumb things that damages engines
Million dollar question? Will this solve the age old issue with the clogged oil rings on the 2007-09 2.4L 2az-Fe Toyota motor found on the Matrix and Pontiac Vibe? Which reportedly causes massive oil burning consumption....
My understanding is those engines have defective pistons and or piston rings. No amount of "mechanic in a bottle" will fix that.
If they were defective then oil consumption would have been from day one, but it happened always after warranty expired.
@@repairvehiclewell if the piston ring has worn away over time, the issue wasn’t apparent when new…..
@aqib2000 rings worn out due to lack of lubrication
What i did is following
I empty 5 cans in a empty bottle and filled the liquid in the gas tank with premium gas and drove it till empty..than refilled it with normal gas
Also you want to do it when your oil change is near. Because your carbon will get into the engine oil
As a bonus i did engine flush and changed the oil with new oil filter ..
Now car is running smooth and 90% smoke is reduced ...
Toyota corolla 2009 1.6
315000km odo
How often were you changing oil?
@@repairvehicle i bought it used ...the when replaced valve cove gasket it was gunked up...so i did this... i replace it every 3000km
You should have stayed away from this vehicle.
@@repairvehicle well you are right ...but i love the car
Cvt transmission?
Requires a LOT of liquid to Hydrolock a cyl. Unlikely it's even Possible with a Spray can.
That said;;; there are reports that Berrymans is Basically Laquer thinners
I will spray some into a cup size of the piston area to see if, or how fast, carb and choke or combustion chamber cleaner evaporates. Just in case if some fluid remains inside the cylinder I would suck it out with brake bleeding vacuum pump to avoid hydro lock. We did more than a few engines, especially CR-Vs, with 'baked rings', but maybe the for older designs which use 5w-30 and have different rings design than newer engines the soaking of the piston trick might work. Has anyone tried engine flush to free up the rings ?
If your hoping to clean your piston rings, remember that putting stuff inside the cylinders could desolve carbon on top of the piston and that desolved carbon could possibly run down into the piston rings and contaminate them more.
that is my concern too - I got a manual vacuum pump and I am going to try to pump out most of the gunk but I know I am taking a huge risk so I am going to wait until we get a spare car next month before trying it
@@declansgamereview6523 any updates?
@@2cents740 for now I sprayed carb cleaner in the pistons, seems to be much better actually. As soon as I get our spare car running im going to go extreme and fill the cylinders with different cleaners and take a chance but the carb cleaner with aggressive driving straight after definitely made a difference. I only topped up after 2 weeks instead of the weekly
I’ve been considering this for a while. I thought of doing one cylinder at a time. Disconnect battery so engine won’t be turned over accidentally with key. Bring the cylinder up to close TDC put Berryman’s bring piston up to just a slight pressure, and I mean very slight, let sit overnight so pressure helps force fluid around rings and through drain holes. Only do one cylinder per day. What do you think?
Not sure you understand whats going on as well as you think you are with your 'warning'.
If you're rings are gummed up and plugged, any excess cabon from the piston tops will take a ride down and up and then most likely be expelled out the exhaust valves.
I will stick with Amsoil Signature Series. This is too risky for me. Thanks for sharing
You have the right idea stay with amsoil. So won’t i
How’s Amsoil working out for you on the oil consumption ?
hack mechanic pour the berrymans down the plug holes with both valves closed. use a compressor to add pressure to the cylinder. that liquid is going down .....put wrench on crank bolt and give a few rotations change oil and see what you got
What do you mean by compressor? Do you spray air into the spark plug holes?
Or, do all of that and simply put the plugs in and push the crank 1/8 turn. Light pressurization but not near enough to bend any valves and done at the same time vs 4/6/8 times individually with a compressor/leak down tester.
@@CJ-nk1ls yes gurgle the berrymans
@@CJ-nk1lsyes with the valves closed making sure the cylinder is sealed. All the pressure will go down to the rings because engines have a small blow by, by the rings which goes down to the crankcase