Should I make a video on how I color grade C-Log Footage since many are asking? *EDIT: NEW Video on How I Color Grade Canon C200 Footage* th-cam.com/video/I10EzIxZ8vw/w-d-xo.html
Dude I love the 5D Mark IV. It's funny because in the podcast video we did for your channel, I would ask people which one looked better and everyone picked your camera. I could even tell myself that you were on the 5D and I was on the Sony.
you should, it is amazing camera. I use it alone in my region and just laugh how panasonic and sony users are asking how come my image is so nice. Compare real world results not just paper specs and learn how to use your camera not just complaining that I need this camera because ...
I know you're trying to save yourself from angry comments, but you don't have to keep saying "in my opinion" and putting disclaimers because it is your video. Let them haters hate. They are still contributing to your views😂
Well I think the disclaimer of "this is good for MY use" was actually nice, as even though this is a great camera for certain use cases it does not fit all so there is no need for fanboyism and hate like "this is perfect sony is shit" or "the crop in 4K is a deal breaker".
This was the best review I've ever seen talking about Canon R. It was talked about what really matters: The user experience in the real world. I liked your results. Congratulations, great video.
As an owner of a C200, I’m absolutely sold on this camera after watching this! Also - I literally just sold my a6500 two days ago. So excited to have this as my b cam. Thank you, Armandeeeezy!!!
I bought the eos r right after I watched your showdown eos r vs a7 iii with potato jet about 4 months ago. I loved every single bit of it. The picture quality is superb. Keep up the good work love it
I’ve used the Sony a7iii, GH5 and the EOS R for weddings as a B cam separately and imo the canon is best. I bring my lights anyway, to me that’s better than pushing the iso anyway. I just got tired of spending several hours trying to fix skin tones
41M views on my last video shooting with my old Canon 5D Mark II now update to eos R and I totally agree with all your thoughts. Great color easy to use and that grip! You and Potato Jet are huge help for us. Thank you!
@@mondobytes I followed you on Instagram you can DM there and I will give you my whatsapp (Mail is crazy now as you know but here it is pablocimadevila@gmail.com)
I got the EOS R back in November '18 for my video business, and although it is not perfect I really like the results. Even 8-bit footage recorded straight to the SD card looks great and has enough scope for the color grading I need. As you say, having a single card slot isn't an issue. On my Canon XF100 cameras, there are two card slots but I have never had to record to both cards. So far I've never lost any clips. I suspect, using quality memory cards helps a lot, as you suggest. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks for doing this. I felt that you were really genuine. I appreciate that you always referenced this to the way you work. I use Panasonic. I have an AJ HPX 270 and a couple of GH5s. I have tweaked the GH5 to match the 270 right out of the box. This saves me time as I shoot primarily, live theatre, concerts and dance.
As a wedding shooter, the Sony is great and all but I'm really tired of worrying about my gear. It's so fragile. At least with a Canon I KNOW it's going to be solid.
I own an original Sony A7 and have been thinking about what camera I'd like next. I have been watching tons of youtube video comparing the EOSR and the Sony A7 iii. In most cases I prefer the look of the EOS R. Good to know that you are digging the camera! Specs don't seem to tell the whole story.
I chose the EOS-R because of the color science, lightning fast autofocus, and the flip out screen. I film industrial laser machinery. Used to film on a t3i with magic lantern. Focus peaking is great but the new focus box on the R is the best. Tap to take photos is also nice when you dont have a remote. Or you can use your photo to select focus and snap photos. I don't mind the crop in 4k. A lot of the stuff i need to capture from laser machinery is usually close up within the machine cabinet. That crop allows me to punch in closer. Only downside is the slow motion... Should be in 1080p 120fps. I understand not having 4k/1080p slowmo bc it defeats the purpose of their "pro" line.
Recent EOS R owner here - I absolutely love it. Slow motion is not much of an issue for me, because I shoot mainly product shots. The crop does not bother me either. Still waiting for the ND adapter. It will literally change the way I do videos because up until now I've been mainly recording in a controlled environment. With it, I'll be able to go out and use my lenses without worrying about various size filters. I am waiting for your magical LUT :)
Brilliant video, fantastic as always, but I have to know what is that EPIC vest thing you latch your camera onto at 7:59 ? Any chance of a "whats in my camera bag/useful kit episode" featuring the vest, hay Potato Jet, maybe a guest appearance showing us a little of your kit too?
Exactly. I also have the c200 and I purchased the R as a b-cam and they pair perfectly together ..but I have often used the R as the main camera depending on the situation. And an added bonus is the 30 megapixel stills. But like you, I look forward to the more advanced replacement.
Interesting... I also have c200 and EOS R, but the R has been only for travel and fun. Seems like the 10 bit 422 almost makes it like the c300mkii, which has gorgeous 1080p... so I can see why you might even use this combo over the c200!
Mine is arriving in the mail tomorrow! Super stoked especially with videos like this.. I shot with a C100 forever but it wasn't mine.. this will be my first camera purchase ever. This video helped me feel even better about it! Thanks!
@@AndyKunkel I agree, but it also depends on the work you do. I mostly do photography with some video, so in my case the EOS R makes much more sense. Of course if you simply want it for video, things sway more to the Blackmagic or at least become more competitive.
@@frankiemacias5317 that's what I'm thinking, I do mostly video but also need some photo capabilities, the EOS R would just make more sense for me. I think maybe once my business grows I'll get the BMPCC4K
Armando, I am a Canon shooter, I started with the T5i then my current main camera the 80D. I have been looking at the EOS R as my next camera, my jump to Full Frame...I Love the future-proofing to mirrorless, the adapter w/ built-in ND filters and I can use all my existing Canon L series glass. But the "pièce-de-résistance" was what I heard at min 8:20 that AH HAAAAAAAA moment....DONE I am sold....take my plastic....
Thanks for this Armando - great vid for C200 owners! I've had the Ninja V for a few months & can't wait to pair it with an EOS R. Need to ditch the A7iii first...Yes, that variable adapter is game changing! Would love to see a vid on grading C-Log, especially matching the C200 with the R. Keep up the awesome work. :)
I got to play with this camera at B&H and I loved it. For me it would be the perfect camera for what I do if I wasn't already invested in Sony A73 and lenses. I wouldn't switch now and take a loss, but I would have chosen the EOS R for sure if I was starting from the beginning. Both cameras have their strengths and weaknesses, but for me that native ND, flip screen and IQ are what I want in a camera. Sony has much better photo AF, Ey AF and a much better sensor for pulling shadows. Thanks for the video and I agree with your points!
Great video Armando. I’ve used an EOS R and really enjoyed using it so much, that I plan to buy one at some point later this year. While I love my Sony, after using it for 8-9 months, it’s not really for me.
Dude!!! What an epic video review. You actually just helped me make a decision for my upgrade path. I've been holding off on upgrading my 5D Mark III for, perhaps, the R6. I already own the Ninja V. This video was EXACTLY what I needed to make the decision to jump to the EOS R. It'll save me money and allow me to grow to the next level. Thank you!!
I have the exact same feeling as you by owning and using Sony A7 series camera. Specs and functions on Sony are just way ahead of other brands. But at the end of day, the most important thing is using the least amount of time and thoughts to get the best image quality and color out of a camera. Sony for sure is lacking big time in this area if you are shooting anything dealing with skin tones. I would say Sony is best at shooting landscape, architecture, etc which benefit most from the good DR. Skin tones on Sony is hit and miss for me. Not saying Sony A7 lineup is bad, but using for right tool for the right purpose and shoot is the key! I use Sony for real estate gig, and Canon for shooting people.
Here in 2024 and this video has given new life to my EOS R which I have as a backup camera to my R5 and R6. There are a few things about the R6 I don't like and I think that option to record 10bit externally is great and judging by the footage you posted as reference, the quality looks great! My R6 might take the back sit for a bit.
TBH I almost can't use any other camera because of it. It's just too easy, rather than adjusting ISO or white balance, you just scroll a wheel and get perfect exposure every time.
I tried doing a comparison of the 4k video recorded at 10 bits to the Ninja V as prores 422 versus recorded at 8 bits internally. Both looked great and too close to tell the difference on a NEC PA272W calibrated 2560x1440 monitor. Your example showed a big difference which has me wondering what your camera and Ninja V settings were?
T Hogan would love to see this comparison! I think Atomos auto-applies video range scale regardless of the actual range of the source. I’m not sure but there should be an HDMI Range setting that allows you to specify the range of input signal (Full or Video).
@@PTUsher I have the Ninja V set to HDMI Standard 2.0 and camera output set to C-Log Gamma, Canon Cinema Gamut. There is an HDMI HDR Auto setting that was off for my tests. I don't see any other HDMI settings that I can change.
T Hogan I’ve just read somewhere that you can’t change the input range with atomos, but that can’t be right. I would call them today and ask them about that (would be a deal breaker for me). Their support people may be able to give you advice on best practices too. I was all set to pull that trigger but think I’ll rent first to see if I like it.
Thanks for making this video. I own an EOS R and a C200, and as much as I love the C200 with its built-in ND filters and other features, it is heavy when built up compared to the EOS R. I am especially impressed by the difference between 10-bit and 8-bit color on the EOS R. That built-in ND filter version of the RF/EF adapter really looks like a useful device compared to the simple $99 adapter I already have.
Hi Armando! What are your favourite lenses with EOS R 10bit clog with the crop? RF/EF? Wondering if I should eventually get a wider lense than the RF 35mm f1.8 and RF 24-105 F4. 👍🏼
I noticed at 2:34 the C200 clip has noticeable aliasing (see right above the REGAL). What might be the cause of that? I know firsthand that the C200 has no issues with that problem, but there it is.
Love it! Was going to just upgrade from the 6D Mark II, but you convinced me to get the Ninja V as well. Used your B&H link so hopefully you get a nice kickback! Super excited for it to get here!
Thinking of switching from a7iii back to canon for the colours and the codec. I found that Sony colours do fall apart in the grade. So glad you mentioned this. Tipped the scales for me and will be switching after Christmas! 🙏🏻🤩🎥🎬
Your timing is impeccable...I already own the EOS-R and the Ninja V literally arrives today, Lol. I was really wondering if the 10-bit from the Ninja V would improve the C-LOG look because I've noticed noise in the blacks at 8-bit. Your video is proof that it does and is extremely helpful. I watched it on a true 10bit C4k panel and could see the difference even over TH-cam compression. Keep up the great content, Thanks!
I had an R6. It was a hot mess. Genius, but full of gotchas. Just secured an R. It’s lovely. I have set it up so it is intuitive and instinctive to work with. I could never get with the logic of the R6, far too many randomised combinations to remember. I cut back the auto focus options to just face/eye tracking and spot focus. I flip between them with the touch bar, nice. Favourite Video settings are set to C1av so hitting record while shooting stills goes straight there. Easy. AF button set to re-centre focus. Cool. Star button turns off the screen. Handy. Focus point selector button set to zoom in 5x - so it’s zoom in shoot and playback, logical. Adapter ring to exposure compensation but might stick with the mode dial. Sweet. Drag to focus, brilliant! Don’t need a joystick. Its a really nice camera to handle. The photos are exquisite. Its my B cam for video. Almost all of the criticisms I have seen of the controls I have zero problem with.
Glad to see some positive spin on the much maligned EOS R. Just like the M50, its a camera that does great for what it is and how you use it. As an owner of both I'm constantly surprised by just how easy to use it is and the incredible image quality it outputs. Its funny you mention that you don't end up recommending it to many people as I often do the same thing! I think a lot of people overplay how much they need to "upgrade" and I try to steer people into doing what works best for them. And I'm really hoping we get 1080p120 from Canon one of these days. Absolutely my biggest complaint with the EOS R.
Love my EOS R - also purchased the drop in variable ND filter and the Atomos Ninja V a few weeks ago - completely agree - the 4K 10-bit 4.2.2 is fantastic ! 👍
@@jakekeele - With the Atomos Ninja V on and attached; the EOS R screen is blanked out in video mode - in photo mode the touch screen auto focus works just fine in mine
99% chance that it will never happen, but if canon released a firmware update that gave us 120p that would make this camera just about perfect in its category. And I’m already a happy owner of 2 of them but that would just put it over the top for me lol. Coming from a similar position as you where I shoot it alongside a c200 and c100mkii
Sam Lucas my opinion on why 1080p 120fps isn’t in this camera is because this is like an exact mirrorless version of the 5Div which shares the same lack of 1080p 120. And if it’s to be believed that the Canon RP is the mirrorless version of the 6Dii then it stands to reason that a mirrorless version of the 1DXii isn’t far away from existing... which means that it will contain 1080p 120fps. I’m hoping if it does in fact drop that the price will be $3,999 since it’s far less expensive to manufacture mirrorless cameras than DSLRs for camera companies (hence why the EOS R is a great deal cheaper than the 5DIV though they are essentially the same camera)
Fly Guy yeah, I definitely understand, from a product placement standpoint, why they excluded it. I’m just not happy about it 😂 I’m interested to see what their first “pro” offering is going to be. Canon is so notorious for protecting their cinema line that I’m nervous what they might do in their next hybrid body lol.
Great stuff! Very interesting....I'm a c200 guy, but use the A7III for my smaller cam....I'd love to have a canon mirrorless, but waiting to see if they come out with one that has a few more enticing features than the R. You think that will happen this year?
Thank you for making this. Most every review or test I've seen has only been with the internal controls and now seeing a Ninja V attached I see this camera as a far better candidate for me. I've been struggling to find a great photo AND video camera. I don't typically need slow mo and even at the 1080p/60 that's fine, but for normal 4K this is what i've been looking for. THANK YOU!
Hey Armando! Thanks to your amazing video I went with this setup in April 2020 and I loveeeeee it! I Was a c200 owner and you nailed it...baby canon c200!!! Subd and hit that bell!!
Your point about the R’s single slot not being a big deal is especially valid when using the Ninja V. There’s your redundancy. Hope we get a C100 mkiii with uncropped 4k 60fps and 120 fps 1080. That would be perfect for me.
The true answer to this particular problem is high quality N-Log to C-Log. You get 4K without crop, 1080p slow motion, and RAW output to Ninja V. The only problem is the lens deficit with no alternatives for things like the Sigma 18-35 1.8 and you cannot use F because of crazy clicking motors.
This video has given me an 'aha' moment about why canon crop the 4k on the full frame cameras...because 4k full frame would make it 'better' than the cinema ones which have a 1.5 crop.
The 10-bit 422 and 400mb image is what made me choose the GH5 over the Sony. The image that comes straight out of camera is amazing in 10bit. Plus I used a channel mixer hacked to help me grade v-log. If I were to choose a full frame camera, it would be the S1 or EOS R. EOS R maybe because of the flip out screen. Not worried bout autofocus much because I manual focus.
thanks for this video Armando, i always appreciate all the work you put into your videos. i think people hate on the eos r just cause its cool to do lol. i think the 720p slo mo isnt too bad if you're doing some IG stuff. of course for pro workflows its not usable at all. and as it goes for the dual card slots i agree with you that i've never had a card fail but i think a lot of situations like in weddings where you get one chance i think it'd be a lot more safe to have a backup right on the spot. i think the next gen of r cameras will definitely have 2 card slots
Please may you do a video on c-log, small touch ups you used to match the c200 whilst editing. Maybe also using the ninja too? Like in-depth look at this setup? Just received my eos r with 25-105mm lens today! One thing when I unboxed it is, I really felt the quality. Man do you realise why they are so sort after
Try the 720p slow mo and up it to 1080p in post. It's surprising good. The eosR is a beast and all the saltyness from the Sony snowflakes is classic buyers remorse.
Some very good points and impressive video footage - with all the bashing of the EOS R I'm glad you found it a niche that serves you with your video production
Holy shit you filmed at the pike! Two of my friends work down there, and you even got a shot of one of the boats they work on! I don’t know why that excites me, but it did
This is a great video, that C200 looked remarkable when you first started showing it. I like how you did the contrast and saturation to mimick it. The C200 was more 3D it seemed like to me though. I'm looking at buying the R
Hi and thank you for a nice review. Watching it in 2021 - does it make any difference when shooting 1080p into the recorder? Or is the difference just 4K? Thank you...
Solid points. I would argue that your identifying it as a "mini C200" is contingent on you already having a C200. I think folks really wanted the EOS R to be a viable full frame mirrorless primary camera, and without 4k60 or even 1080p60, it just isn't. Slow motion is overused AF on TH-cam, but it's also a pretty powerful tool when used strategically, and I'd much rather have it than not. I'd also argue that the limited internal color space is another knock--having 10-bit 4:2:2 on my GH5 means I can get away with just a nice 5" monitor rather than an external recorder to get 10 bit footage. Again, pinching a penny here or there without sacrificing too much quality really counts for smaller scale producers.
When you said the video is sharper in 10 bit, is that both 1080p and 4k? Is it downsampling from a higher resolution when connected or something? Sounds intriguing regardless, with the rumors of an EOS Rm2 already being tested I may just snag one of these and start my lens building until the better more competitive iteration comes in 2020. Also damn that banding at 8:58 I guess this camera really does have an issue when doing photos and swinging the exposure around huh
Should I make a video on how I color grade C-Log Footage since many are asking? *EDIT: NEW Video on How I Color Grade Canon C200 Footage* th-cam.com/video/I10EzIxZ8vw/w-d-xo.html
YES. Would love a video on that and I can't find a good video on how to grade C-log :(
Yes! Is the EOS-R better than the C-100 ?
Yes for sure
yes
Most Def! have an Eos R on the way.
Yeah boiiiiii!!!!
Can I get a high five?
I guess Potato won the debate.
Just wait...
A7Siii mu hu ha ha
YEEEE!
Russel.
THIS is how a camera test should be done 👌🏼
Makes me want to use my 5D IV for video more often
Dude I love the 5D Mark IV. It's funny because in the podcast video we did for your channel, I would ask people which one looked better and everyone picked your camera. I could even tell myself that you were on the 5D and I was on the Sony.
you should, it is amazing camera. I use it alone in my region and just laugh how panasonic and sony users are asking how come my image is so nice. Compare real world results not just paper specs and learn how to use your camera not just complaining that I need this camera because ...
Juraj Škula the same is happening with me. Lol.
You are so right
I know you're trying to save yourself from angry comments, but you don't have to keep saying "in my opinion" and putting disclaimers because it is your video. Let them haters hate. They are still contributing to your views😂
Reuben Liu 100% agree!
Logitech. I'm buying it or I wait in version II in april
Fuck the haters. We are out here working. They are on youtube making comments based on things they read.
Well I think the disclaimer of "this is good for MY use" was actually nice, as even though this is a great camera for certain use cases it does not fit all so there is no need for fanboyism and hate like "this is perfect sony is shit" or "the crop in 4K is a deal breaker".
this is what I wanted to say but I suck at English. Thank you Liu. :)
This was the best review I've ever seen talking about Canon R. It was talked about what really matters: The user experience in the real world. I liked your results. Congratulations, great video.
Thanks Will!
Totally agree. I’ve just switched yesterday from A7riii. Great camera, but ergonomics and colour science has won me over with canon.
As an owner of a C200, I’m absolutely sold on this camera after watching this! Also - I literally just sold my a6500 two days ago. So excited to have this as my b cam. Thank you, Armandeeeezy!!!
I bought the eos r right after I watched your showdown eos r vs a7 iii with potato jet about 4 months ago. I loved every single bit of it. The picture quality is superb. Keep up the good work love it
The Canon whooped the hell out of the Sony easy that day
“Oh Boy This is Gonna be a Long one” worth every second. Also is golden that it’s your view, your opinion of the Camera. 👏🏽✌🏽
I’ve used the Sony a7iii, GH5 and the EOS R for weddings as a B cam separately and imo the canon is best. I bring my lights anyway, to me that’s better than pushing the iso anyway. I just got tired of spending several hours trying to fix skin tones
I shoot weddings with this camera. It is the best for weddings. Images and skin tones are so much better.
Do you have any footage?
no image stabilization?@@eirendiaz9003
C log? Or standard?
@@madjoints Canon and Nikon DSLRs have no internal stabilisation. Doesn't seem a huge deal.
Agree 💯❤️
41M views on my last video shooting with my old Canon 5D Mark II now update to eos R and I totally agree with all your thoughts. Great color easy to use and that grip! You and Potato Jet are huge help for us. Thank you!
Ha! I shared that video several times, amazing work man. Thanks for stopping by 🙏🏼
@@mondobytes Thank you Armando!! Love your content and humor sense. Do you know where you can find me if you have that special person for a ring lol
What's the best way to reach you?
@@mondobytes I followed you on Instagram you can DM there and I will give you my whatsapp (Mail is crazy now as you know but here it is pablocimadevila@gmail.com)
I got the EOS R back in November '18 for my video business, and although it is not perfect I really like the results. Even 8-bit footage recorded straight to the SD card looks great and has enough scope for the color grading I need. As you say, having a single card slot isn't an issue. On my Canon XF100 cameras, there are two card slots but I have never had to record to both cards. So far I've never lost any clips. I suspect, using quality memory cards helps a lot, as you suggest. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Wow. That focus feature is something I didn't know about! Super cool!
Thanks for doing this. I felt that you were really genuine. I appreciate that you always referenced this to the way you work. I use Panasonic. I have an AJ HPX 270 and a couple of GH5s. I have tweaked the GH5 to match the 270 right out of the box. This saves me time as I shoot primarily, live theatre, concerts and dance.
As a wedding shooter, the Sony is great and all but I'm really tired of worrying about my gear. It's so fragile. At least with a Canon I KNOW it's going to be solid.
Also, manual focus with native lenses is an absolute NIGHTMARE!
I own an original Sony A7 and have been thinking about what camera I'd like next. I have been watching tons of youtube video comparing the EOSR and the Sony A7 iii. In most cases I prefer the look of the EOS R. Good to know that you are digging the camera! Specs don't seem to tell the whole story.
Thanks Armando, I am looking forward to buying this baby C200 😄
I love that filming look {greenish} that the Lut has, it gives a awesome look and deep touch to your videos, look so clean,
I chose the EOS-R because of the color science, lightning fast autofocus, and the flip out screen. I film industrial laser machinery. Used to film on a t3i with magic lantern. Focus peaking is great but the new focus box on the R is the best. Tap to take photos is also nice when you dont have a remote. Or you can use your photo to select focus and snap photos.
I don't mind the crop in 4k. A lot of the stuff i need to capture from laser machinery is usually close up within the machine cabinet. That crop allows me to punch in closer. Only downside is the slow motion... Should be in 1080p 120fps. I understand not having 4k/1080p slowmo bc it defeats the purpose of their "pro" line.
Recent EOS R owner here - I absolutely love it. Slow motion is not much of an issue for me, because I shoot mainly product shots. The crop does not bother me either. Still waiting for the ND adapter. It will literally change the way I do videos because up until now I've been mainly recording in a controlled environment. With it, I'll be able to go out and use my lenses without worrying about various size filters. I am waiting for your magical LUT :)
ThisIsE the ND Filter will change you! 🤣
Armando Ferreira the question is when 😂
Great video Armando! I totally agree that the EOS R experience and video is sooo much better than the quality of experience and video with others.
Brilliant video, fantastic as always, but I have to know what is that EPIC vest thing you latch your camera onto at 7:59 ? Any chance of a "whats in my camera bag/useful kit episode" featuring the vest, hay Potato Jet, maybe a guest appearance showing us a little of your kit too?
Great video man. I didn’t know about that manual focus feature. That’s super cool!
Exactly. I also have the c200 and I purchased the R as a b-cam and they pair perfectly together ..but I have often used the R as the main camera depending on the situation. And an added bonus is the 30 megapixel stills. But like you, I look forward to the more advanced replacement.
I have been on the fence for awhile now... thanks for pushing me into buying one!
Interesting... I also have c200 and EOS R, but the R has been only for travel and fun. Seems like the 10 bit 422 almost makes it like the c300mkii, which has gorgeous 1080p... so I can see why you might even use this combo over the c200!
Hey Armando , Potato Jet is at home with his feet up saying to himself “I told you” . Lol . Another cool, informative video bro thanks.
Mine is arriving in the mail tomorrow! Super stoked especially with videos like this.. I shot with a C100 forever but it wasn't mine.. this will be my first camera purchase ever. This video helped me feel even better about it! Thanks!
This is a very well done review of the EOS R. Plenty of detail and ACTUAL user experience noted throughout.
Impressive! Got the R and Ninja V yesterday! Can’t wait🤩🤩
Everytime I watch one of your videos about the EOS R, the closer I get to buying it haha
Making the decision between the BMPCC4K and the EOS 4 very difficult
@@AndyKunkel I agree, but it also depends on the work you do. I mostly do photography with some video, so in my case the EOS R makes much more sense. Of course if you simply want it for video, things sway more to the Blackmagic or at least become more competitive.
@@frankiemacias5317 that's what I'm thinking, I do mostly video but also need some photo capabilities, the EOS R would just make more sense for me. I think maybe once my business grows I'll get the BMPCC4K
@@AndyKunkel Regardless, good luck with whatever you choose!
@@frankiemacias5317 thanks!
Armando, I am a Canon shooter, I started with the T5i then my current main camera the 80D. I have been looking at the EOS R as my next camera, my jump to Full Frame...I Love the future-proofing to mirrorless, the adapter w/ built-in ND filters and I can use all my existing Canon L series glass. But the "pièce-de-résistance" was what I heard at min 8:20 that AH HAAAAAAAA moment....DONE I am sold....take my plastic....
The EOS R is severely underrated
Good advice Armando I use the same set-up EOS-R and the Canon C200 perfect match, everything you said I can pretty much go along with.
Thanks for this Armando - great vid for C200 owners! I've had the Ninja V for a few months & can't wait to pair it with an EOS R. Need to ditch the A7iii first...Yes, that variable adapter is game changing! Would love to see a vid on grading C-Log, especially matching the C200 with the R. Keep up the awesome work. :)
Woah! It's crazy how close they are! Great video Armando!!
Hi I’m Reagan,
I have a canon eos r and Atomos ninja v 5 and I have trouble to recording with 10 bit, can I have a cable link in amazon or eBay? Thx
I got to play with this camera at B&H and I loved it. For me it would be the perfect camera for what I do if I wasn't already invested in Sony A73 and lenses. I wouldn't switch now and take a loss, but I would have chosen the EOS R for sure if I was starting from the beginning. Both cameras have their strengths and weaknesses, but for me that native ND, flip screen and IQ are what I want in a camera. Sony has much better photo AF, Ey AF and a much better sensor for pulling shadows. Thanks for the video and I agree with your points!
Man...that ND adapter is freaking genius! Waiting for the next version of the EOSR
Seriously, it feels like I'm cheating lol.
Great video Armando. I’ve used an EOS R and really enjoyed using it so much, that I plan to buy one at some point later this year. While I love my Sony, after using it for 8-9 months, it’s not really for me.
Dopest EOS R review, Thanks Armando!
Dude!!! What an epic video review. You actually just helped me make a decision for my upgrade path. I've been holding off on upgrading my 5D Mark III for, perhaps, the R6. I already own the Ninja V. This video was EXACTLY what I needed to make the decision to jump to the EOS R. It'll save me money and allow me to grow to the next level. Thank you!!
I have the exact same feeling as you by owning and using Sony A7 series camera. Specs and functions on Sony are just way ahead of other brands. But at the end of day, the most important thing is using the least amount of time and thoughts to get the best image quality and color out of a camera. Sony for sure is lacking big time in this area if you are shooting anything dealing with skin tones. I would say Sony is best at shooting landscape, architecture, etc which benefit most from the good DR. Skin tones on Sony is hit and miss for me. Not saying Sony A7 lineup is bad, but using for right tool for the right purpose and shoot is the key! I use Sony for real estate gig, and Canon for shooting people.
Here in 2024 and this video has given new life to my EOS R which I have as a backup camera to my R5 and R6. There are a few things about the R6 I don't like and I think that option to record 10bit externally is great and judging by the footage you posted as reference, the quality looks great! My R6 might take the back sit for a bit.
That filter between the lens and the body kinda makes me wish I bought an eos-r instead of the A7III...
squeezybits using old lenses because canon dont have native glass....
@@lopescorte104selection of glass ultimately pushed my decision. As well as how much of a low light monster the A7III is.
TBH I almost can't use any other camera because of it. It's just too easy, rather than adjusting ISO or white balance, you just scroll a wheel and get perfect exposure every time.
@@mondobytes I should've closed my eyes at that comment...My GAS is building up ..
I think there is similar EF to e mount with nd filer adapter
He films his videos in great way I real enjoy your video they look professional and well made.
AZiZ thanks man, I appreciate that. 👊🏽
I tried doing a comparison of the 4k video recorded at 10 bits to the Ninja V as prores 422 versus recorded at 8 bits internally. Both looked great and too close to tell the difference on a NEC PA272W calibrated 2560x1440 monitor. Your example showed a big difference which has me wondering what your camera and Ninja V settings were?
T Hogan would love to see this comparison! I think Atomos auto-applies video range scale regardless of the actual range of the source. I’m not sure but there should be an HDMI Range setting that allows you to specify the range of input signal (Full or Video).
@@PTUsher I have the Ninja V set to HDMI Standard 2.0 and camera output set to C-Log Gamma, Canon Cinema Gamut. There is an HDMI HDR Auto setting that was off for my tests. I don't see any other HDMI settings that I can change.
T Hogan I’ve just read somewhere that you can’t change the input range with atomos, but that can’t be right. I would call them today and ask them about that (would be a deal breaker for me). Their support people may be able to give you advice on best practices too. I was all set to pull that trigger but think I’ll rent first to see if I like it.
Thanks for making this video. I own an EOS R and a C200, and as much as I love the C200 with its built-in ND filters and other features, it is heavy when built up compared to the EOS R. I am especially impressed by the difference between 10-bit and 8-bit color on the EOS R. That built-in ND filter version of the RF/EF adapter really looks like a useful device compared to the simple $99 adapter I already have.
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@@mondobytes - Thank you! I saw this a few weeks ago, and I was really impressed. About half of my shooting is of actors on sets.
Hi Armando! What are your favourite lenses with EOS R 10bit clog with the crop? RF/EF? Wondering if I should eventually get a wider lense than the RF 35mm f1.8 and RF 24-105 F4. 👍🏼
15-35, 24-70 and 70-200
Awesome video tocayo! I just got the Ninja V to pair with my Canon R myself (late comer)... Thanks for your insight!
Great video Armando!!
Thanks man!
Just watched this and totally agree! I really do love the EOS R....can't wait for IBIS though! :)
Will Canon release new decently priced Eos R series with IBIS? Any idea?
I noticed at 2:34 the C200 clip has noticeable aliasing (see right above the REGAL). What might be the cause of that? I know firsthand that the C200 has no issues with that problem, but there it is.
Love it! Was going to just upgrade from the 6D Mark II, but you convinced me to get the Ninja V as well. Used your B&H link so hopefully you get a nice kickback! Super excited for it to get here!
The review I NEEDED. Thanks man 🖖🏾⚡️
Thinking of switching from a7iii back to canon for the colours and the codec. I found that Sony colours do fall apart in the grade. So glad you mentioned this. Tipped the scales for me and will be switching after Christmas! 🙏🏻🤩🎥🎬
Sam Holland you can pick up an EOS R for $1300 new right now
Armando Ferreira Say whaaaaaaaaat?!?! 😍🎥 I’m going shopping!
what is his cinema lens ?
Your timing is impeccable...I already own the EOS-R and the Ninja V literally arrives today, Lol. I was really wondering if the 10-bit from the Ninja V would improve the C-LOG look because I've noticed noise in the blacks at 8-bit. Your video is proof that it does and is extremely helpful. I watched it on a true 10bit C4k panel and could see the difference even over TH-cam compression. Keep up the great content, Thanks!
M. Lee you're going to love the Ninja V, it really transforms this camera.
Well said Armando !!! Looking forward trying the Atomos ninja V
Hi Armando, thanks for this helpful video. Which cinema lens is on you R most of this video?
I had an R6. It was a hot mess. Genius, but full of gotchas. Just secured an R. It’s lovely. I have set it up so it is intuitive and instinctive to work with. I could never get with the logic of the R6, far too many randomised combinations to remember.
I cut back the auto focus options to just face/eye tracking and spot focus. I flip between them with the touch bar, nice.
Favourite Video settings are set to C1av so hitting record while shooting stills goes straight there. Easy.
AF button set to re-centre focus. Cool.
Star button turns off the screen. Handy.
Focus point selector button set to zoom in 5x - so it’s zoom in shoot and playback, logical.
Adapter ring to exposure compensation but might stick with the mode dial. Sweet.
Drag to focus, brilliant! Don’t need a joystick.
Its a really nice camera to handle. The photos are exquisite. Its my B cam for video.
Almost all of the criticisms I have seen of the controls I have zero problem with.
would love to see a comparison between the canon eos R and the Sony 7RIII make a video of it, thanks
Glad to see some positive spin on the much maligned EOS R. Just like the M50, its a camera that does great for what it is and how you use it. As an owner of both I'm constantly surprised by just how easy to use it is and the incredible image quality it outputs. Its funny you mention that you don't end up recommending it to many people as I often do the same thing! I think a lot of people overplay how much they need to "upgrade" and I try to steer people into doing what works best for them. And I'm really hoping we get 1080p120 from Canon one of these days. Absolutely my biggest complaint with the EOS R.
Helpful video ! My dream camera😏
Love my EOS R - also purchased the drop in variable ND filter and the Atomos Ninja V a few weeks ago - completely agree - the 4K 10-bit 4.2.2 is fantastic ! 👍
Ajushi Photography did your EOS R lose touch screen autofocus for video after you added the Atamos Ninja V?
@@jakekeele - With the Atomos Ninja V on and attached; the EOS R screen is blanked out in video mode - in photo mode the touch screen auto focus works just fine in mine
MOVINPICS VIDEOGRAPHY - sure does - works just fine - examples on my channel since all of my videos are recorded on the Atomos
How many frames delay do you set on the Ninja V with EOS R with regards to the audio input?
99% chance that it will never happen, but if canon released a firmware update that gave us 120p that would make this camera just about perfect in its category. And I’m already a happy owner of 2 of them but that would just put it over the top for me lol.
Coming from a similar position as you where I shoot it alongside a c200 and c100mkii
Sam Lucas my opinion on why 1080p 120fps isn’t in this camera is because this is like an exact mirrorless version of the 5Div which shares the same lack of 1080p 120. And if it’s to be believed that the Canon RP is the mirrorless version of the 6Dii then it stands to reason that a mirrorless version of the 1DXii isn’t far away from existing... which means that it will contain 1080p 120fps. I’m hoping if it does in fact drop that the price will be $3,999 since it’s far less expensive to manufacture mirrorless cameras than DSLRs for camera companies (hence why the EOS R is a great deal cheaper than the 5DIV though they are essentially the same camera)
Fly Guy yeah, I definitely understand, from a product placement standpoint, why they excluded it. I’m just not happy about it 😂
I’m interested to see what their first “pro” offering is going to be. Canon is so notorious for protecting their cinema line that I’m nervous what they might do in their next hybrid body lol.
Great stuff! Very interesting....I'm a c200 guy, but use the A7III for my smaller cam....I'd love to have a canon mirrorless, but waiting to see if they come out with one that has a few more enticing features than the R. You think that will happen this year?
No, probably next year
Nelson Dellis I think it will happen at the end of this year.
This was such a satisfying video to watch, great work Armando !
Thanks man and I appreciate you watching 👊🏽
Thank you for making this. Most every review or test I've seen has only been with the internal controls and now seeing a Ninja V attached I see this camera as a far better candidate for me. I've been struggling to find a great photo AND video camera. I don't typically need slow mo and even at the 1080p/60 that's fine, but for normal 4K this is what i've been looking for. THANK YOU!
Respect bro!
Great video as always!!!!! Come to Bulgaria and beer is on me!
Man I love your channel bro. You keep it real, your humble and give great in depth info. I feel like you really give an unbiased opinion.
Love this video. Very real and easy to follow. Thanks :)
Hey Armando! Thanks to your amazing video I went with this setup in April 2020 and I loveeeeee it! I Was a c200 owner and you nailed it...baby canon c200!!! Subd and hit that bell!!
Your point about the R’s single slot not being a big deal is especially valid when using the Ninja V. There’s your redundancy.
Hope we get a C100 mkiii with uncropped 4k 60fps and 120 fps 1080. That would be perfect for me.
The true answer to this particular problem is high quality N-Log to C-Log.
You get 4K without crop, 1080p slow motion, and RAW output to Ninja V.
The only problem is the lens deficit with no alternatives for things like the Sigma 18-35 1.8 and you cannot use F because of crazy clicking motors.
This video has given me an 'aha' moment about why canon crop the 4k on the full frame cameras...because 4k full frame would make it 'better' than the cinema ones which have a 1.5 crop.
The 10-bit 422 and 400mb image is what made me choose the GH5 over the Sony. The image that comes straight out of camera is amazing in 10bit. Plus I used a channel mixer hacked to help me grade v-log. If I were to choose a full frame camera, it would be the S1 or EOS R. EOS R maybe because of the flip out screen. Not worried bout autofocus much because I manual focus.
Dude! That is crazy! Thanks for making this.
Thank you for this video. Would you mind telling us which LUT you were referring to at 2:33? I’d love to try it out!
Charlie Bravo it's my personal LUT I created
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Awsome Subjective Opinion, as usual! VERY GOOD VIDEO.. Thanks!
I own a C300 Mark II and was looking for a B cam this is Perfect THANKYOU FOR THIS VIDEO
thanks for this video Armando, i always appreciate all the work you put into your videos. i think people hate on the eos r just cause its cool to do lol. i think the 720p slo mo isnt too bad if you're doing some IG stuff. of course for pro workflows its not usable at all.
and as it goes for the dual card slots i agree with you that i've never had a card fail but i think a lot of situations like in weddings where you get one chance i think it'd be a lot more safe to have a backup right on the spot. i think the next gen of r cameras will definitely have 2 card slots
My next camera today in 2020 thanks to you Armando.
I am watching this video on my iMac and image looks amazing. Great review Armando!
Please may you do a video on c-log, small touch ups you used to match the c200 whilst editing. Maybe also using the ninja too? Like in-depth look at this setup? Just received my eos r with 25-105mm lens today! One thing when I unboxed it is, I really felt the quality. Man do you realise why they are so sort after
Which settings on the c200 & eos r do you pick for the perfect match? RAW or MP4 on the c200, if mp4 which settings? Eos R Clog which color matrix?
Great video man! This might just sway my mind.
Try the 720p slow mo and up it to 1080p in post. It's surprising good.
The eosR is a beast and all the saltyness from the Sony snowflakes is classic buyers remorse.
Some very good points and impressive video footage - with all the bashing of the EOS R I'm glad you found it
a niche that serves you with your video production
How about a C100 vs EOS R comparison, since the C100 and EOS R are in about the same price range.
Holy shit you filmed at the pike! Two of my friends work down there, and you even got a shot of one of the boats they work on! I don’t know why that excites me, but it did
Alec Wry that's awesome!
Can you not record 120p at 1080 through the Atomos Ninja V? If so, doesn't that answer your need for slow motion?
This is a great video, that C200 looked remarkable when you first started showing it. I like how you did the contrast and saturation to mimick it. The C200 was more 3D it seemed like to me though. I'm looking at buying the R
Hi and thank you for a nice review. Watching it in 2021 - does it make any difference when shooting 1080p into the recorder? Or is the difference just 4K? Thank you...
that native ND filter just seriously pushed me over the edge. SHEESHHH that's so clutch.
Solid points. I would argue that your identifying it as a "mini C200" is contingent on you already having a C200. I think folks really wanted the EOS R to be a viable full frame mirrorless primary camera, and without 4k60 or even 1080p60, it just isn't. Slow motion is overused AF on TH-cam, but it's also a pretty powerful tool when used strategically, and I'd much rather have it than not.
I'd also argue that the limited internal color space is another knock--having 10-bit 4:2:2 on my GH5 means I can get away with just a nice 5" monitor rather than an external recorder to get 10 bit footage. Again, pinching a penny here or there without sacrificing too much quality really counts for smaller scale producers.
Great video brother. Love this camera.
When you said the video is sharper in 10 bit, is that both 1080p and 4k? Is it downsampling from a higher resolution when connected or something? Sounds intriguing regardless, with the rumors of an EOS Rm2 already being tested I may just snag one of these and start my lens building until the better more competitive iteration comes in 2020.
Also damn that banding at 8:58 I guess this camera really does have an issue when doing photos and swinging the exposure around huh
Yeah... got Ninja V and Smallrig cage on order for my EOS R! Don’t apologize!!