Item 2 about Phil. In 2018, if a player intentionally deflected his own ball while it was still in motion from a previous stroke, he should be disqualified. The rule about striking a moving ball applied to a ball which had come to rest previously and then moved as a player prepared to take his next stroke. This 14-5 rule explicitly mentions if a player deflects a ball that is still in motion from a previous stroke and refers the reader to the section about intentionally defecting his ball. According to that rule, Such deliberate actions warranted DQ. The Tournament Committee protected Phil from the correct penalty.
Hi Neil;-another great video, thanks. Regarding the Matthew Southgate incident, could you ask Jezz if the same ruling would apply today, following the Jan 2019 rules changes please. The wording of rule 19.1b (pre Jan 2019) is subtly different from the rule (I think) now applies to such a situation;-i.e.11.1b, exception 2. 19.1b talks about MOVING outside agencies, whereas the new rules suggest the ball only has to hit an outside influence (no mention of moving or stationary). I ask this as, at this time of year, there are sometimes too many leaves etc on certain greens for it to be practical to clear them all!! Cheers. Dave V
@@petermcgill1315 good point and yes indeed, but just thinking that if I were to play for money or competition, good chance I'd break at least one rule per round without realizing it.
Hello Alex - bunkers have their own rule now - Rule 12 - explaining what you can and can't do. Among the things you can't do are touch sand with your club at address, when making a practice swing or in the backswing for your stroke
You should have included when tiger woods was behind a Boulder and had fans move it. The rule was changed so if you and your caddie can't move it, it's not a loose impediment
The Ricky Fowler incident sounds pretty much identical to the Billy Horschel one at the 2019 Masters which brought about a rule change regarding a ball 'owning its spot', having been marked or replaced. Was Ricky's problem prior to this change?
In a recent local tournament, my thinned chip came to rest inside the footwell of another players buggy. Not sure of the ruling I played it as it lay, and got up and down!
The Cart is defined as a Moveable Obstruction. Since the Ball ISN'T Touching the Ground, you drop the Ball as directly over the Spot the Ball is suspended above as possible, after moving the Cart. The same holds true for any Movable Obstruction that prevents the Ball from actually touching the Ground, a towel, a cup, a rake, etc. Not taking Relief was and is permissible.
Wait a minute! What about when the tree seed landed in front of Phil Mickelson's ball in motion and knocked it off line? I think it was on #2 for eagle.
@@jeremyellwood4515 Hmmm, it was maybe 10 or 12 years ago I think. I'll see if I can find it. It was a closeup of his ball rolling and boom there lands a little cat-tail type of tree seed and boink the ball hit it bounced off line and missed.
@@jeremyellwood4515 I found it, but it's just slightly different than I remember. You'll see why this is not a violation when you watch. th-cam.com/video/AvnQR0q6Fe4/w-d-xo.html
For number 3 with tiger. Couldn't he just drop as with the rules of water hazard and go back as far as he wants in line with the flag? Don't know where the ball entered the water, if it was in straight line with his shot?
Tiger was using the "Replay the Shot" option. "Back on the Line" is from the Hole to the Point where the Ball crossed the Margin of the Penalty Area, so his Line would have been at a much Different Angle.
Random rules question: under what tule were Tiger Woods & Brooke Koepka allowed to have 1+ ton boulders moved by the crowd after said boulders were deemed to be “loose impediments”? Surely a loose impediment has to be something that can be easily moved by the golfer alone? I am new to golf so please forgive the question
By definition, a Loose Impediment is "[a]ny unattached natural object such as", among other things, "[s]tones". Gravity does not, by itself, make an object "attached".
I Don't believe Koepka ever did this. The Definition of a Rock as a "Loose Impediment" has since been refined to say it cannot be Embedded in any manner and be considered a "Loose Impediment".
Although what Mickelson did in the 2018 U.S. Open was bad, he didn't hit the putt too hard. The greens were so fast that the ball was accellerating as it approached and went past the hole. It would have ended up rolling down the hill in front of the green and been more than 50 yards short of the green. It was an unfair situation. Mickelson may have saved strokes by doing what he did. However that doesn't make it right.
Surely the leaf on the green rule is stupid. By canceling the shot (a put) and retaking it,you have had the advantage of seeing what the line is ,or if taken were the ball lands after the leaf hit,you are closer to the hole.
If a blown leaf (a natural object) is classed as 'an outside agency' then what about the rain/wind/hail/sleet etc. By the terms of this STUPID rule, if a gust of wind blows your ball off line, you'd have to play it again. An 'outside agency' should be defined more sensibly: human, dog, bird etc etc.
I recently played a round that I hit my drive into water that had overflown from the original lake due to the winter rains and snow. I could tell that the spot where my ball was was originally rough because there was rough length grass where the ball was and not the sand/mud floor of the lake. The water level was beyond its normal level where it is beyond the reeds and I was on the side of the reeds that is dry. The hazard was unmarked and no stakes were there so I played it as casual water and ended up making a par. I hope that was correct as I shot a +9 when it was all said and done
One club length is allowed when playing again from the previous spot. Dropped ball must strike ground and also come to rest within that one club area. The reference "spot" must be identified prior to dropping. Two club lengths from the reference point are allowed only in two circumstances: when taking relief from a. red penalty area.. b. unplayable lie.
Pros keeping their own score and signing a score card is silly, and any mistake that is discovered after a round ends is punished double. Have a rules official with each group who also keeps official score.
If a blown leaf (a natural object) is classed as 'an outside agency' then what about the rain/wind/hail/sleet etc. By the terms of this STUPID rule, if a gust of wind blows your ball off line, you'd have to play it again. An 'outside agency' should be defined more sensibly: human, dog, bird etc etc
Item 3. Tiger should have been DQ. At no time did the committee "OK" him to sign his card. He took a drop in the wrong place. All the facts were available to him. He signed for a wrong score and wrong card. Any other golfer would be DQ for submitting a wrong score. Pure B.S. by the Master Committee.
For professional golf this is ok but when we play on our local course 5 rules If u decide lie is unplayable or 2 attempts tried and failed a waist height underhand toss is allowed max 20 feet No playing off other players clubs using other balls is allowed if u call the bank shot Disturbing other players with sound causes you to start in the woods on the next hole with ball covered in moss 12 balls alllowed cause we are gonna loose a lot Purposely damaging course is forfeit We do it to keep the game fun for us 🙂
Now what about the putts that hang on the edge of a hole “to long” players have had to count a stroke even though they never touched the ball. And technically the ball was in motion when they tap it in so that’s a penalty.
Obviously many bunkers are still 'hazards' in a general sense, but in terms of the rule book they haven't been referred to or defined as hazards since Dec 31st 2018
Bunkers have become their own Identity, separate now from Red and Yellow Penalty Areas, so Bunkers can have their own distinct Rules, from the Rules concerning Penalty Areas. You can deal with Loose Impediments equally, but you still CAN'T Ground Your Club in a Bunker, even though this is now permitted in a Penalty Area.
A number of rules are pure rubbish and common sense should prevail, but the stuffy rules and leaders and protectors of golf history and tradition have their heads up their arses
Sorry guys, but „Lefty“ was not „making a stroke at a ball that was still moving“. No, he simply took influence on his ball in motion, and therefore he should have been DQd for seriously breaching R1-2 (at that time).
100 percent correct. The rule they are referring to is explicit in this regard: If the ball is still moving from the previous stroke, rule 15-2 refers the reader to the Rule regarding deflecting a ball in motion. That rule (Rule 1) calls for DQ if it is an intentional deflection of your ball moving from a previous stroke. As Steve Whiting mentions, the committee cited the wrong rule to allow Phil to continue to play.
Poorly commented Phil's serious rules breach. Applying Rule 1 possibility at least should be considered and commented. By the way Phil's disclaim about knowing and using the rules in his favour is almost an insult to golf intelligence. If instead of hitting the ball in movement he would just repeat the strike he woul have saved 2 strokes penalty which he didn't deserve obviously. Stroke and distance instead of 2 stroke penalty plus the moving stroke itself. Phil, not good, at all.
Incredible video, well done. Thanks!
Congratulations on 100k subscribers
Not surprised that a lot don't want to play competition golf.
If a few extremely rare incidents cause you to give up competitive golf, you are an idiot/loser.
His name is "Tappin?" I'm going to change my name to, "That's good," and not pay attention when it's my turn to putt.
"Hey Thats Good lets go!"
Item 2 about Phil. In 2018, if a player intentionally deflected his own ball while it was still in motion from a previous stroke, he should be disqualified. The rule about striking a moving ball applied to a ball which had come to rest previously and then moved as a player prepared to take his next stroke. This 14-5 rule explicitly mentions if a player deflects a ball that is still in motion from a previous stroke and refers the reader to the section about intentionally defecting his ball. According to that rule, Such deliberate actions warranted DQ. The Tournament Committee protected Phil from the correct penalty.
Whoever made these rules had a bad day when they made them
wish you had shown a video of each incident. Hearing him explain the situation is great but doesn't draw the best picture at all
Agree.
TH-cam copyright rules dictate this unfortunately
Unfortunately rights issues prevent us from showing the video clips
Hi Neil;-another great video, thanks. Regarding the Matthew Southgate incident, could you ask Jezz if the same ruling would apply today, following the Jan 2019 rules changes please. The wording of rule 19.1b (pre Jan 2019) is subtly different from the rule (I think) now applies to such a situation;-i.e.11.1b, exception 2. 19.1b talks about MOVING outside agencies, whereas the new rules suggest the ball only has to hit an outside influence (no mention of moving or stationary). I ask this as, at this time of year, there are sometimes too many leaves etc on certain greens for it to be practical to clear them all!! Cheers. Dave V
I suspect that I've never played a round of golf without breaking some obscure rule that I didn't know existed. sheesh
No biggie, unless you’re playing a comp or for money
@@petermcgill1315 good point and yes indeed, but just thinking that if I were to play for money or competition, good chance I'd break at least one rule per round without realizing it.
We break enough rules the book erupts in flames lol
I’m glad I don’t know theses outrageous rules! This kills the fun of golf at any level 🤦♂️
Alot of rules need to be changed
Probably not.
Hello Alex - bunkers have their own rule now - Rule 12 - explaining what you can and can't do. Among the things you can't do are touch sand with your club at address, when making a practice swing or in the backswing for your stroke
You should have included when tiger woods was behind a Boulder and had fans move it. The rule was changed so if you and your caddie can't move it, it's not a loose impediment
The Ricky Fowler incident sounds pretty much identical to the Billy Horschel one at the 2019 Masters which brought about a rule change regarding a ball 'owning its spot', having been marked or replaced. Was Ricky's problem prior to this change?
On the putting green to replay my shot which seems to be my best option , I can do that with a two shot penalty or one shot penalty ?
In a recent local tournament, my thinned chip came to rest inside the footwell of another players buggy. Not sure of the ruling I played it as it lay, and got up and down!
The Cart is defined as a Moveable Obstruction.
Since the Ball ISN'T Touching the Ground, you drop the Ball as directly over the Spot the Ball is suspended above as possible, after moving the Cart. The same holds true for any Movable Obstruction that prevents the Ball from actually touching the Ground, a towel, a cup, a rake, etc.
Not taking Relief was and is permissible.
You never see videos like this for tennis, basketball, baseball, bowling, or any other sport you can think of, which sort of speaks volumes.
Volume levels more consistent, much better...
When playing in Estes Park last month, I shot a ball one foot from the snout of a grazing elk. How do I proceed?
let the elk play through.
Wait a minute! What about when the tree seed landed in front of Phil Mickelson's ball in motion and knocked it off line? I think it was on #2 for eagle.
What year was that? I don't remember it and am struggling to find any reference to it?
@@jeremyellwood4515 Hmmm, it was maybe 10 or 12 years ago I think. I'll see if I can find it. It was a closeup of his ball rolling and boom there lands a little cat-tail type of tree seed and boink the ball hit it bounced off line and missed.
@@jeremyellwood4515 I found it, but it's just slightly different than I remember. You'll see why this is not a violation when you watch. th-cam.com/video/AvnQR0q6Fe4/w-d-xo.html
For number 3 with tiger. Couldn't he just drop as with the rules of water hazard and go back as far as he wants in line with the flag?
Don't know where the ball entered the water, if it was in straight line with his shot?
Yes he could, but he didn't go for that option, I believe because the ground was a little soft where he would have had to drop back on line
Tiger was using the "Replay the Shot" option.
"Back on the Line" is from the Hole to the Point where the Ball crossed the Margin of the Penalty Area, so his Line would have been at a much Different Angle.
Didn't the same thing happen to Phil Mickelson at The Masters few years back on the second hole? Why didn't the same rule apply in the same situation?
Random rules question: under what tule were Tiger Woods & Brooke Koepka allowed to have 1+ ton boulders moved by the crowd after said boulders were deemed to be “loose impediments”? Surely a loose impediment has to be something that can be easily moved by the golfer alone?
I am new to golf so please forgive the question
By definition, a Loose Impediment is "[a]ny unattached natural object such as", among other things, "[s]tones". Gravity does not, by itself, make an object "attached".
I Don't believe Koepka ever did this.
The Definition of a Rock as a "Loose Impediment" has since been refined to say it cannot be Embedded in any manner and be considered a "Loose Impediment".
Although what Mickelson did in the 2018 U.S. Open was bad, he didn't hit the putt too hard. The greens were so fast that the ball was accellerating as it approached and went past the hole. It would have ended up rolling down the hill in front of the green and been more than 50 yards short of the green. It was an unfair situation. Mickelson may have saved strokes by doing what he did. However that doesn't make it right.
Surely the leaf on the green rule is stupid.
By canceling the shot (a put) and retaking it,you have had the advantage of seeing what the line is ,or if taken were the ball lands after the leaf hit,you are closer to the hole.
If a blown leaf (a natural object) is classed as 'an outside agency' then what about the rain/wind/hail/sleet etc. By the terms of this STUPID rule, if a gust of wind blows your ball off line, you'd have to play it again. An 'outside agency' should be defined more sensibly: human, dog, bird etc etc.
@@cmalc8Yep! And it was the wind that blew the leaf, so the outside agency was the wind anyway.
This channel rules 😏
I recently played a round that I hit my drive into water that had overflown from the original lake due to the winter rains and snow. I could tell that the spot where my ball was was originally rough because there was rough length grass where the ball was and not the sand/mud floor of the lake. The water level was beyond its normal level where it is beyond the reeds and I was on the side of the reeds that is dry. The hazard was unmarked and no stakes were there so I played it as casual water and ended up making a par. I hope that was correct as I shot a +9 when it was all said and done
That Stuart Cink rule is just ridiculous.... I hope that rule has changed since 2008...
It changed almost immediately and is now very different as we say in the video
In your 3rd rules incident I think you are now aloud to drop your ball 2 club lengths of where you last played it. I’m not sure this was made clear.
One club length is allowed when playing again from the previous spot. Dropped ball must strike ground and also come to rest within that one club area. The reference "spot" must be identified prior to dropping. Two club lengths from the reference point are allowed only in two circumstances: when taking relief from a. red penalty area.. b. unplayable lie.
Pros keeping their own score and signing a score card is silly, and any mistake that is discovered after a round ends is punished double. Have a rules official with each group who also keeps official score.
Fowler was the first person I thought of when I clicked this.
If a blown leaf (a natural object) is classed as 'an outside agency' then what about the rain/wind/hail/sleet etc. By the terms of this STUPID rule, if a gust of wind blows your ball off line, you'd have to play it again. An 'outside agency' should be defined more sensibly: human, dog, bird etc etc
Item 3. Tiger should have been DQ. At no time did the committee "OK" him to sign his card. He took a drop in the wrong place. All the facts were available to him. He signed for a wrong score and wrong card. Any other golfer would be DQ for submitting a wrong score. Pure B.S. by the Master Committee.
For professional golf this is ok but when we play on our local course
5 rules
If u decide lie is unplayable or 2 attempts tried and failed a waist height underhand toss is allowed max 20 feet
No playing off other players clubs using other balls is allowed if u call the bank shot
Disturbing other players with sound causes you to start in the woods on the next hole with ball covered in moss
12 balls alllowed cause we are gonna loose a lot
Purposely damaging course is forfeit
We do it to keep the game fun for us 🙂
Now what about the putts that hang on the edge of a hole “to long” players have had to count a stroke even though they never touched the ball. And technically the ball was in motion when they tap it in so that’s a penalty.
These rules are why young players don’t play, beyond stupid and terribly outdated
Good shots should never be penalised. Like hitting the pin or lying in a divot in the middle of the fairway
"Bunkers were hazards at the time" are they not hazards anymore??? Can you ground your club?
Obviously many bunkers are still 'hazards' in a general sense, but in terms of the rule book they haven't been referred to or defined as hazards since Dec 31st 2018
@@jeremyellwood4515 Okay so what about grounding the club then?
Bunkers have become their own Identity, separate now from Red and Yellow Penalty Areas, so Bunkers can have their own distinct Rules, from the Rules concerning Penalty Areas.
You can deal with Loose Impediments equally, but you still CAN'T Ground Your Club in a Bunker, even though this is now permitted in a Penalty Area.
Some of these rules, like the leaf hitting the ball are absolutely stupid. There is very little common sense in the rules of this game
A number of rules are pure rubbish and common sense should prevail, but the stuffy rules and leaders and protectors of golf history and tradition have their heads up their arses
Agreed
Example?? I can't think of any stupid rules
With the rules,there are some rules that need to have common sense applied to it to make it more enjoyable
Sorry guys, but „Lefty“ was not „making a stroke at a ball that was still moving“. No, he simply took influence on his ball in motion, and therefore he should have been DQd for seriously breaching R1-2 (at that time).
Think USPGA found a rule that covered a penalty that that didn’t involve a disqualification!!
100 percent correct. The rule they are referring to is explicit in this regard: If the ball is still moving from the previous stroke, rule 15-2 refers the reader to the Rule regarding deflecting a ball in motion. That rule (Rule 1) calls for DQ if it is an intentional deflection of your ball moving from a previous stroke. As Steve Whiting mentions, the committee cited the wrong rule to allow Phil to continue to play.
Poorly commented Phil's serious rules breach. Applying Rule 1 possibility at least should be considered and commented. By the way Phil's disclaim about knowing and using the rules in his favour is almost an insult to golf intelligence. If instead of hitting the ball in movement he would just repeat the strike he woul have saved 2 strokes penalty which he didn't deserve obviously. Stroke and distance instead of 2 stroke penalty plus the moving stroke itself. Phil, not good, at all.
Woah is your surname really "Tappin"? lol
pretty clickbait title