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7 GOLF RULES THAT COULD SAVE YOU SHOTS!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2020
- In this video, Neil Tappin is joined by rules guru Jezz Ellwood to look at the rules of golf. The two discuss the scenarios when knowing the rules might help you make smarter choices about how to proceed. Often this means thinking clearly after you've just hit a bad shot (easier said than done!) but if you can, you might be able to escape with your score intact.
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I love these rules videos. As a fairly new golfer, they really help, especially clearing up the changes in the rules. Thanks guys.
Love No.2, of course you can take stroke & distance, but I never would have considered it previously. Thanks gents!
number seven, you might wanna add that rule 20.1c only applies to stroke play. If you are playing match format 20.1b(4) perhibits you from playing 2 balls, and you must come to an agreement with your opponent as to how you need to proceed.
The confusing part is sometimes you can go laterally 2 club lengths vs on the line between ball and flag
These guys are very helpful and very fun to watch. I love these videos guys and they save a lot of shots
Neil tapping a brand new Pro V into the drink: rules discussion ensues..
Me watching Neil tap a brand new Pro V into the drink: I can't hear anything they are talking about, I'm still crying at the audacity of binning 4 quid..
Love your show I've learnt so much about the little rules in golf watching your show they have saved me a couple times even on Sunday golf with the mate's
Great videos. So much info to really digest, especially with that last rule. My mind is still spinning from what I should do.
"The red mist descending." Love it.
Regarding rule number two faced with the ball rolling into a hazard if I understand the video correctly you can replay or reposition the ball under penalty stroke and hit the same putt?
Yes - stroke and distance just as elsewhere on the course
#5 at 5:24 you called a plugged ball unplayable and said you could go back to where you last played from. But you didn't note the penalty. To my understanding, back in line in the bunker is one shot, back in line out of the bunker is two strokes. Why would you go back all the way to where you last played from?
It's one of the options available to you - perhaps the sand is so soft you're certain dropping in the bunker will result in a plugged lie, and your shot into the bunker wasn't from any great distance and it allows you to drop outside the bunker for a one-shot penalty rather than two
Perhaps because 1) you're not confident of getting out if you took relief in the bunker (BOTL or lateral) or 2) you didn't think it was worth 2strokes penalty taking BOTL relief outside the bunker for example if the bunker is on the right border of the fairway & hence the line drawn (from the hole to the point where your ball rest in the bunker) extends into very thick rough no matter how far back you go.
#2: I've told this to a few people. They never have listened to me and every time take much more shots
Never thought of taking stroke and distance for a bad putt!
I enjoy these videos, but could you please also confirm the size of the relief area during your explanations. For example, I believe Back on the Line relief is 1 club length from the reference point. Am. I right.?
Tappin - what a perfect name for a golfer....
Arnie Threeputt applied for his job and didn't even get an interview.
I didn't remember dropping the ball out side of the bunker is a two stroke penalty. it is, i guess im gettin' slack about golf rules. Most of the time we remove the ball from a tree root to avoid damaging yourself or your golf club during rec play. knowing the rules are great; just know when to apply.
What is the diff between yellow and red stakes?
What is the only point of relief in a water-filled bunker ends up being closer to the hole?
Please could you clarify the rules regarding stakes. My understanding is as follows -
Red stakes : take a penalty drop 2 club lengths from point of entry.
Yellow stakes : take a penalty drop and you can go back as far as you like keeping the point of entry and the flag in line.
Thanks in advance
Beyond playing as it lies, you have three options from red penalty areas and two from yellow - from both you can go back to where you last played from under stroke and distance or drop back on a line keeping the point where it last crossed the penalty area between you and the flagstick. From red penalty areas you can also take two club lengths lateral relief from the point were it last crossed the edge of the penalty area not nearer the hole
@@jeremyellwood4515 when you identify the point of relief back on a line, do you now get a club length, not nearer the hole?
Regarding you rule which included putting off the green or into a bunker,Please confirm if you declare it unplayable and retake the put ie s and d
, can you still do this if the ball is further away in the penalty area or more likely a false front or bunker
Most bunkers are a bowl shape so what if the ball keeps rolling back into the water?
geez, based on #6 in here, my uncle owes me $20 from a gambling round we played 15 years ago with this exact situation. We gave him free relief outside of the bunker and lost the hole by one
To my knowledge, even 15 years ago, if you were taking relief from (then casual water (now tempoary water)) in a bunker, and there were no available relief within the bunker, you would still have to drop outside the bunker for a 1 shot penalty. but since you were playing match play the decision is binding, and unfortunately there is no way you can rightfully claim your 20$ :D sorry
@@Ruinsthename Rats. I could really use that $20 right about now
In Which direction/ what line do you take your drop When taking relief from a penalty area on a hole with a dog leg that prohibits you from seeing the green...
You would need to work it out by either going forward a little to check the geography of the hole or by referring to a course plan... or just from previous knowledge of the course if you've played it before
Nice Jezz, love rule number 3
Very interesting - never seen the putting option (#2) used in all my time on a course!
No, don't think I have either, and not sure I'd have the presence of mind to remember if I ever putted into a lake!
Same here! Not just a lake, even a bunker!! That's quite unbelievable!
When playing 2 balls in the first rule discussed do you hole out and then go back and play the other ball or on a long par 5 play both balls along which would be very time consuming.?
You play both at the same time . Yes - this does take extra time for sure , but so would going “back” to play the second one. That might even take more time actually. I’ve seen players implement playing a second ball, and the problem really becomes keeping track of all the shots separately.
I need some clarification please... if I hit a tee shot into a place that I cannot hit from... one option is stroke and distance, so do I get to re-tee the ball and hit driver or must I drop one on the tee box and hit fairway wood?
ANY you're making a stroke from *your* teeing area on the hole you're playing, you may play from anywhere in that teeing area, with or without a tee.
First shot becomes unplayable, and stroke and distance takes you back to the tee? You may tee it up if you choose, now hitting your third.
Tee shot barely makes contact, OR is a laser that goes right at a tree, but comes flying back and rolls to a stop within your teeing area? You may play as it lies, OR place within the teeing area, with or without a tee, and hit your second shot.
This is why Tom Watson needs to publish a new version of his Rules Of Golf Illustrated and Explained.
Here’s another one: what if you hit a shot that plugs in the grass (general area) just in front of a bunker? When you take your free drop it keeps rolling back into the bunker, what do you do?
iinm u place it at the point where the ball first hit the ground (GA) on the second drop
Love the content and explanation. Should you have put a marker down before you took a drop behind the penalty area, (where the ball was in the brambles and twigs)
It's a good idea to do so, but only a recommendation under the Rules rather than compulsory ('should' rather than 'must')
Yup,rule 17c addresses this problem : All players must consume the chicken legs and the ham n Onions with mayonnaise sandwich at the side of the first green or indeed in the bunker at the second wash it down with some fresh squeezed lemon juice and cold tea, and this is important offer the Lady Captain a nibble on the crusty bit,yup!!
For #2, if ball goes in the water/penalty area I understand going back and play under S&D versus deciding where to drop...
But if it goes in a very deep/steep bunker, one must declare it unplayable first correct, before going back to re-putt under S&D?
Yes, that's correct
In reading the rules, it looks like you don't need to declare it unplayable. If you do, you're just using rule 19 to get to rule 18 when you can just use rule 18 directly. Rule 18.1 says you may take stroke and distance relief for the cost of 1 penalty at any time. You don't need to give a reason. You can replay any shot at any time for any reason for the cost of 1 penalty.
With No 2 how long do you have to make the decision to take a stroke and distance penalty? If you are playing a 2 person Ambrose for example and both of you hit poor putts can you replay yours after your partner has played theirs?
I have to confess I don't know what an 'Ambrose' is, but I guess that in a matchplay scenario, whoever was farthest from the hole would need to play first. If it was your turn on the first attempt, you would still be further away than your opponent if opting for stroke and distance, so it would be you to play again first
If the course is full with water i take maximum relief and help myself to a beer in the clubhouse
Mulligan under section ( ok - bee - tween - us) ( local rules) saves time and strokes for our group 😉
I am confused about taking stroke and distance from the putting green. I thought CONGU had effectively eliminated stroke and distance from competitions? So need help on this one- thanks
Hello David - stroke and distance is a widely available option in the rules (e.g. unplayable ball, lost ball etc). I suspect you're thinking about dropping back in where the ball went OOB or is believed to be lost, which became a permissible Local Rule under the 2019 revisions, but which precious few (if any) UK clubs have adopted because CONGU wouldn't sanction it for use in handicap qualifying rounds.
@@jeremyellwood4515 thanks Jeremy yes I was confusing myself!
Wait so on #2. Lets say my 2nd shot is a putt. It goes off down the hill into the water. According to #2 I can just drop and go again or am I adding a penalty 3rd stroke and then going again? making that 2nd put attempt my 4th stroke?
Yep. Re-putt from the same spot (approximate) under Stroke and Distance, now putting 4.
Hello - yes, we do say in the video that you can proceed under stroke and distance so you must add a penalty shot
I love these rules videos too. I would remind viewers that within the red stakes you cannot ground your club.
With the 2019 changes, you actually may ground your club in a red or yellow penalty area.
Hi guys, what is the ruling on a squirrel taking your ball up a tree, happend to my friend recently
Rule19.3a choosing the option playing an unplayable outside the bunker, cost you 2 shots penalty
Good thing golf is free..from headaches
max avail relief if huge
When taking the putt again how do you know where exactly your putt was?
You estimate to the best of your ability just as when taking stroke and distance elsewhere on the course
Normally, you are standing still watching the ball roll, so you just bend down and mark the spot, then go investigate the damage. Just don’t forget your marker on the green.
Re no 1 when invoking rule 20.3 I don't understand what you mean the player has to declare which ball to count? If ruling is equivocal, surely you play and record both balls score and the committee decides which ball should count?
Yes, the committee would decide, and obviously by invoking the Rule, you presumably want the relief ball to count. I think that bit is there in the rule to safeguard against you choosing which ball you want to count after the results are known - say, for example, you get up and down from the original lie but duff your chip and then three putt from the relief position. If the relief you took was legitimate, you couldn't then say 'don't worry about the second ball as I made par from the original lie anyway' when it was the relief ball you wanted to count if the Rules permitted.
@@jeremyellwood4515 thank you. Understood. Though when a situation is truly equivocal and reliant on a committee decision, the status of the player saying anything like this is immediately defunct. When 2 balls have played the player and players marker should surely not sign the card until the committee decision is verified?
@@jeremyellwood4515 this is something I could bet nobody knows and applies the rule properly.
I’d say 99% of those who play two balls think they can then choose the better score.
@@annefilippobertozzi7601 That would certainly be the temptation... 'Oh, it doesn't matter now - I got up and down from the original lie anyway!'
Play it where it lies!!! 😝
What if the bunker is filled to the brim with water?
Unfortunately, unless the committee marked them as ground under repair or had a local rule in place, if you can’t take any relief in the bunker you would take penalty relief outside the bunker .
I have a rules question. I hit a shot into a par 3, there was a lake in front of the green, I hit over the lake and cleared it. My ball landed right on the front edge of the green, but span back into the water. There was disagreement in the group about where I should drop, one person said it should be where I first crossed the lake (i.e. tee side of the lake) two others said it only entered the hazard after it rolled off the green, so they thought I should drop there. I didn’t have a clue and we agreed to go with the majority decision and so I dropped by the green. This created a new problem about where I should drop without being nearer the hole, and in the end we dropped several yards to one side so to take full relief and be no nearer the hole. I still don’t know if we did all this right, thankfully it was just a friendly golf tour with the boys, but I would like to know the rule about where I should have dropped in case it ever happens again.
Was it a red or yellow hazard? This determines which side of lake you need to drop..
@@rohitpratap4174 hmmm🤔 not sure now. It was a few years ago. It was a standard water hazard in my opinion, i would not call it lateral water, so that would be yellow stakes. But if you know the answer for red as well then that would be good.
@@jaywalk4446 Lateral water hazard (red posts, boundary usually to the side and more or less parallel to line of play) - drop within two club-lengths of where the ball first crossed the boundary of the hazard. Normal water hazard (yellow posts, usually lying across the line of play) - drop behind the hazard anywhere on the extension of the line between the pin and where the ball crossed the boundary. The same bit of water can be a normal water hazard in places and a lateral one in others - i.e. if a you hit across a stream marked by yellow posts where it crosses the fairway and the ball ends up in the same stream where it is marked by red ones alongside the fairway further up, you don’t have to come back to behind the first bit to drop.
@@jaywalk4446 PS in your example, I think whichever type of hazard it was the correct drop would have been the ‘wrong’ side of the lake. Sorry!
@@pwg2001 oh well, i know for next time. It wasnt an angry debate at the time, so not a madsive deal. If any of my playing partners had sounded sure of themselves then i tbink we'd have gone with it, but no one knew. Thanks for the advice though.
Did he say if you hit it from behind the red stakes you don't get a penalty?
Not quite sure what you mean?
@@jeremyellwood4515 sorry, in point 4 the ball has crossed the red posts. Do you then get a one stroke penalty and have the option to play it as it lies or if you play it as it lies do you not incur the one stroke penalty for crossing the red posts?
@@MWK7 Ah, okay - no, if you choose to play it as it lies from within the penalty area, there is no penalty stroke, hence your potential to save yourself a stroke if the ball is lying well enough
@@jeremyellwood4515 thank you very much for the clarification. This might save me a few shots on the par 5 at my home course. I have one more unrelated question. Under Covid lift clean and place in bunkers where there are no rakes, can you still lift clean and place if you are the first one out and then bunker had been rakes by greenkeepers? I was first out and my ball plugged, I took an unplayable one stroke penalty but wasn't sure if I did the right thing.
@@MWK7 Whether you were out first or not wouldn't make any difference - the whole field would be entitled to the same relief under whatever Covid rules were in force that day
Pretty sure there is a rule if maintenance crew has done damage to the course
Ball in flooded bunker?? face of bunker, not in the sand?
Bunker scenario. Ball stops on lip of bunker which is full of water. My only stance is left foot in 2ft of said water ( casual water??) Do I get free relief to take the ball back in line / two club lengths etc ?
I took a penalty but not sure if I should have
Was the ball inside or outside the edge of the bunker?
@@jeremyellwood4515 outside, but to get a stance I needed to put my foot in ankle deep water that wouldn't normally be there
@@kennymacm3031 You would have been entitled to free relief from the temporary water (as it's now called) as your ball was not in the bunker. You find your nearest point of complete relief where the temporary water no longer interferes with stance or area of intended swing and drop within a one club-length arc not nearer the hole. Because the ball was in the general area of the course, you would need to drop in the general area (i.e. not in a part of the bunker not affected by temporary water). If your ball had been lying in the bunker and there was nowhere to drop because of the water, that is when it would cost you a penalty shot to drop outside, although you can find the point of maximum available relief in the bunker and drop there if complete relief is not possible (i.e. you could drop in a shallower bit of water or have your feet still in the water but the ball in a clear part of the bunker).
@@jeremyellwood4515 That's what I thought actually, I was on a decent score that day as well. Unusual situation but that's one of the biggest problems in golf. Three of us all had a different opinion!
Please could you response to the attached video (th-cam.com/video/83-6ceYLGKY/w-d-xo.html) to clear up arguments about whether or not a ball is in the bunker when it is affected or on steps in a bunker. Many thanks
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I appreciate the education here, but I have to say, and please realise it's a joke: You would not want to be sat next to Jezz at a dinner party!
Interesting video made annoying by the number of adverts...
Just forward the video to the end then replay. = zero adverts
Couldn't deal with all the ads popping up mid sentence. Had to leave.
Maybe the more that the ads pop up, the more you get paid?
@@garycroxton5843 The more the ads pop up the quicker I move along to another video which means fewer ad views which means less revenue…there is a fine line between making a couple dollars and making no dollars because your viewers don’t have the patience to sit thru 10 mins of ads for a 20 min video…
This title is claickbait... soon as Jezza gets involved you know he's going to add penalty shots to your score! 🤷♂️
So you’d have to stand in the water in the sand trap…wow they definitely need to rewrite those rules that’s ridiculous 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
Interesting video, but so many ads made it almost unwatchable.
So stop being a tight arse and pay the few bucks a month it costs for premium. It supports the creators and removes all the ads.
@@KiwiPokerPlayer Instead of writing offensive comments, you could mind your own business and get back to your cards.
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