I don't know why they spent years and hundreds of thousands of hours on making a great game when they don't even bother making content for it. I'm sure most people who played the game would come back if there was a single player dlc but we're never going to get that stuff anymore as long as people can buy shark cards and gold bars
I would really enjoy a single player expansion for the new rockstar games I guess the closest thing we are going to get is the Franklin and Lamar mission in gta online. I would really like a rdr2 single player expansion for Captain Monroe, Sadie, or Charles.
RDR2 single-player is a fully realized and complete game. The only fair argument you can make is that they recreated Mexico with hardly anything to do there. Other than that.. nothing. Not every game needs dlc.
@@RB8Gem9 Not every game needs it, I agree. So many of us crave it, though. So many don't want to let the world go, and would pay for the privilege of doing more in it, just like folks have stuck with other worlds for years and years. Blame R* for making players feel its realness into our bones.
It's a travesty this happened to RDO - so much potential. If they wanted this to be a "cash cow" like GTA Online, maybe they shouldn't have put the JV team on it.
Big big big agree. They could have made it so much better if they had leaned fully in to the role playing side of RDO wich was easily the best part of it. If they made it just a full on MMO rpg where communicating with other players was nessecary to get over sertain points it would have been so fucking cool man... such a waste
They actually put their A team on it initially. R* is just hillariously incompetent when it comes to development if they do not have 8 years of development time and a huge budget.
What potential? Please somebody tell me what else can they do with an online western? I see everybody saying save RDO but whyyy? It's been 4 years what are they supposed to do with it? Put oppressors in it?
It’s not like GTA online took any effort to be a cash cow so it makes sense rockstar didn’t support Red dead in the slightest if you look at GTA online it is one of the worst managed games ever made their are thousands of hackers every where, awful AI, an awful inventory menu that has almost a hundred different inputs, dog ass mission design that is essentially “go here pick up thing with zero dialogue or story and bring it back, then do this 6 times and then you get to do a good version of this mission with actual dialogue and story”, awful tutorial that explains absolutely nothing, and the worst economy in a game where a stun gun is $500,000.
When RDO was new, it was a blast - I took the time to create a character who looked just like me, my siblings and cousin did the same, and a few times a week, we got together in our gang and rode around for a few hours at a time having way too much fun. Every session we had some insane moment that we'd talk about until the next time we got online - some stupid trick someone pulled during a mission, some one in a million shot one of us pulled, etc. - and sometimes we just got online and peacefully rode together, hunted, and talked, catching up about our lives in a gorgeous setting. We're all adults who live on opposite sides of the country and we only see each other in person once or twice a year, so I can genuinely say the game brought us closer together as a family. But...trying to dive deeper into anything RDO offered was pointless. Solo play online ruined it for me - logging on alone to make some extra money and I'm getting shot in the head by some OP player who bought all their shit with real money, or some hacker is messing with me, or what little money I have in-game can only buy the stupidest-looking clothing devised by man, which adds insult to injury bc I spent so much time on the facial design - surprise, my Mona Lisa of character creation can only wear clown clothes. I gave up like most everybody else. They really had something special and they just...abandoned it like a joke.
Same, sorta. Money has never been an issue for me up until recently. When RDO first launched me and my friends in hs (at the time) found some glitches with animal and fish duplication so I had extensive money up until pretty much last time I played. Only finally started buying other horses and stuff too
@@Dalgoons And not mention you needing to steal my insult to try to make me angry. Here’s a idea create a new and actually funny insult and try not meatriding off of other people
If they just added more content i would be playing it day n nite, i mean when rdo launch me and my brother put hours into it. Went back into it a few months ago and was bored out of my mind, plus the design flaws with completing missions and how taking longer on a mission(u typically just sit around until the time is almost done) grants you more money than if you complete it relatively quick.
Your first sentence made me think of No Man's Sky, which I love but I can't play much because once I start, I'll want to stay on 24/7. The different types of grinds don't feel grindy to me, because you're constantly working toward something of interest, and there are different interests to pursue. I feel like they could have channelled that feeling into RDO with some actual good goals.
@@SPQRKlio yeah it's very subjective, personally i get why people hate the newer RPG assassin's creed games, but i love them because there's so much content, skills, armors, weapons to grind etc. No mans sky i just have trouble getting into it more, a part of me wants to explore the planets, but the other part of me wants to settle down on a planet and build a massive base, but still to this day, after 30 hours i haven't found a single decent paradise planet to build a base on, it's just always toxic wastelands, or lava pits, or a shitty empty planet filled with sentinels
I remember when red dead first came out, I did a trader mission to carry my leathers to 1 locations. Back then the servers were TERRIBLE. I had disconnected mid journey and lost all the materials I worked for, (animals were rare to run into aswell) so I messaged support to see if I can get my materials back, or atleast 500 in-game dollars to try and make back what I had lost. Idk who tf working there did this big mistake, but I'm forever grateful to them for these- they had repaid me the 500, but not with the in-game dollars, they gave me 500 GOLD BARS. Imagine early game RDO with 500 gold bars, I bought all the weapons I loved from the campaign, customized them to the max, and bought myself some nice outfits and was ready for the future updates. Little did I know how boring having it all would be.
@@Evanz111 for the first week I was paranoid so I spent as much as I can, I was waiting for a ban or something but maybe someone from their side caught a scolding, or it went under the rug. I just never bragged about it or said anything to anyone besides 2 close friends until today haha. It seems they really didn't care much for RDO
@@leonardogonzalez5016 They were like, "Oh, you lost $500? Sorry, all we can give you is a portion of that. Here's $150." You were like, "(Should I tell them I meant in-game money?) _> *shrug* Well, if that's all you can offer..."
I loved the online mode. To me, it's the ultimate western immersion simulator. I played it low and slow, and really enjoyed building up my character. It's a shame that RDR2 Online was simply treated like western GTA Online, because it could have been something really special. We could have become ranch hands, own stables, farms, and built houses. We could have become livestock traiders or decided to simply steal livestock. We could have had an option to be good or evil, an honest rancher or evil outlaw. So much potential. So many chances for a great immersive experience on par with the single player. It's a shame they abandoned it, and it's a shame that they didn't play to RDR2's gameplay strengths.
I spent a lot of time with RDO. I thought it was awesome and really enjoyed everything Rockstar put into it. The roles and the coop missions were great. It’s not GTAO but it didn’t have to be. I only wish they would’ve added property homesteading and building your own farm.
what system do you play on man? saying i love the game is quite an understatement lol. i know there’s not much to do anymore but if you want to hop on and play to relive some of the memories let me know. i miss playing the game, it’s been a while since i’ve been on.
How would owning a digital farm be any fun? How would it make the game more engaging? It would be boring as hell. Maybe fun for a few hours but then it would just get mind numbingly boring.
@@Pigflippy that’s your singular opinion, ask most longtime players and they’ll say they disagree. look at gta online, there’s more properties than you can even count, it doesn’t have to be fun. it’s simply something people wanted for a long time. just because you don’t want it, doesn’t mean others wouldn’t enjoy it.
It was dumb for them to even try to add online when they knew gta online was their money maker and they never cared about rdo. I would have rather seen them focus more on single player DLC, there was so much that could have been done as DLC
Pretty much. I was hoping they would make a prequel dlc of the van der linde gang robbing the blackwater ferry. RDO shouldn’t even have existed if it was gonna end up horribly
One reason you didn't get head shots is because you shot before it was fully locked on. There's a little circle that shrinks as you lock onto someone, you have to wait until that circle full shrunk down before pulling the trigger if you want your shots to be way more accurate when doing head shots
rockstar's auto aim is one of the stupidest thing ever in videogames. Makes the online a complete arcade shitsh*w. The first one to lock in with auto aim wins 95% of the time and it's stupid.
I spent so much time playing the original Red Dead Redemption 1 online. It was fun to posse up, explore the open world with friends, and then hop into co-op missions or pvp death matches and gold rush. Ranking up would earn you new playable characters, weapon mastery would permanently unlock gold versions of your guns. It was all about fun, there was no monetization model. They really really messed up with RDR2 online, I didn't even want to play it. Excellent points in the video
I've tried both and feel the opposite. I enjoyed the grind of rdr2. I played nearly every day with the same group of friends the first year of the pandemic. We maxed out all the roles. Played all the legendary bounties. Ran trader and moonshine sells together. Collected sets. Hunted legendary animals for samples. Got hammered, danced, slapped and hugged it out at the moonshine shack. Good times those were. RDO is a grind and a slog but it is the ultimate western simulator.
@@bayoak No arguments here, I think I could have sunk real time into RDR2 online if I had friends willing to play with me. Unfortunately, when we tried to play, there were too many technical issues or we couldn't find populated lobbies in the modes we actually wanted to play. Progression was absolutely a slog, and eventually I found myself playing alone. I wish I had more fun, because I ADORE the single player in RDR2.
Love the live gameplay, Luke. Makes segments like the firefights much more impactful as you’re able to see how a player would actually be feeling in these situations. The frustration is real!!
I just don't care, I play online but in solo Lobby (PS5, MTU 800). All I do is kind of what I'd do if I really lived back there, trying to survive. Hunting, trading, wander around looking at the still incredible scenery. Sometimes I even go to town, walking, paying attention to the npc's. I still have a ton of fun with this game and won't stop anytime soon. It's not everyday tho, I play other games ofc, but at least a couple hours on the week-end. I've never been a coop, multiplayer guy.
“No such thing as a headshot” yes there is you just have to practice. You can be competitive with starting weapons once you get the hang of it. RDO players are way less toxic. Most leave you alone unless you bother them
Definitely the line that kind of gave away his limited experience on the game. Once you understand how biased it is towards headshots and that even the later guns will struggles to kill targets with only body shots, you can get in absolute killing sprees even with the Varmint Rifle as long as you hit these headshots
@@Serious_Ludd the critique of pointing out expensive items was also a display of the limited experience of the game. Once you get roles going the cash comes in like crazy between the collector role and moonshine role.
He probably doesn’t even know about defensive mode, talking about how the auto aim is to op and thinking the scoped rifles also have auto aim but there free aim
@@mattfarr137 I'm the same opinion as you and I think his Repeater was that bad because it wasn't clean which can make a difference in a fight, at least in my opinion.
What sucks is that the game wouldn't be so hard to save. - Buyable (and modifiable to a degree) Properties - Bank 🏦 and Train 🚂 Robberies that are structured somewhat like GTAO heists - A couple more roles such as Rancher, Fight Club, Outlaw, ECT. - Add more cosmetics to the store (even stuff that's already in the game like the Nevada Hat or the Rodeo Hat they could simply add in stores) - Bring back the outlaw pass in the process Damnit R*, as a GTAO guy that played pretty much all the content, my hopes for RDO were so damn high before it came out. I was imagining robbing banks and trains and what the heists would look like...The way they've treated this game and its fans is deplorable.
I mean,even the properties are ALREADY THERE. they're already in the code,so they would only have to spend a few days to actually rob em. And the thing about the robberies is,they don't give a shit about us. So they could good as well just throw them into freemode.
I played online recently also and I love the game mechanics…. And god I wish they gave this game more love but I get bored online now unless I’m killing a lot of people
Basically they took the shell of the Rdr2 world, removed all of the content and random encounters, and very VERY slowly started filling the shell with things to do. I hit level 650 before I finally gave up. A couple of people in my posse hit 1,000 right before we all stopped playing. It was showdowns every night, routine wagon runs, and for what? Why did I grind and waste all of that time? Why do I have hundreds of thousands of dollars and nothing to spend it on? I played online from the first day of Beta. The more time I invested, the more questions I had. Not a single one ever was answered.
The 2 biggest issues with RD2O was the lack of exclusivity of roles and how they decided to solve the player to player issues. You don't solve a multiplayer issue by introducing systems that enforce solitude and reducing interactions with other players. You do it by giving different venues of interaction, which they had a perfect foundation with the roles. How these roles don't focus more on player interaction is beyond me. The lure of being a bounty hunter is ultimately to hunt other players, not NPCs. Bounty hunter would have been the anti griefer role. To handle griefers, give them an outlaw role where you can control their expression by channeling their actions towards gameplay rather than personal attacks because they are bored. How traders can't buy, sell or exchange items with other players is also beyond me. They should have had much more exclusivity with regards to characters and roles. Its great that each role has special and unique abilities and items, but because you can be all roles at the same time it doesn't quite matter. They should have had one major role per character, like the trader and have that expand into moonshining, or the naturalist expanding into ranching. This along with foucussing on player interaction through the roles would make for a never ending interesting experience. Picture a scenario where the naturalist who has access to special hunting abilities and tools, gets pelts and trades with the trader, who has the special skill to turn these resources into goods and can sell different items to players and in game stores. And outlaws who have special abilities like to hold people up and gadgets to intercept these goods while in transit. This role can expand into collector, which should just be robberies/bulgrary. The bounty hunter should be able to get hired as a bodyguard for these trading trips and can collect bounties on the most infamous outlaws. Honestly such an ecosystem would generate endless opportunities for fun. Griefers would have a more meaningful way of interacting with others while anti griefers are now incentivised. Those who like to keep to themselves and just hunt and maybe run a ranch would be naturalists while those who look primarily for profit would be traders who can expand into even owning some of the stores and hotels where other players can come and trade or hang out. This would be amazing also because you could have different characters for these different roles as we all know sometimes you wanna be an outlaw other times the moral hero with no name. Sometimes you want to just hunt and other times you wanna make some money. So just switch characters. Once Rstar began to implement systems that focused more on isolation to deal with griefers rather than incentivising interactions through defined and satisfying gameplay mechanics, the game began to die. Honestly if i wanted to play solo and not interact with anyone, then theres offline.
These concepts would work great in an MMO game, on the other hand i think forcing exclusivity of roles would make the game a bit boring unless they work really hard on these roles to make them fun for a long time and not repititive, or give players the oppertunity to change roles at will with some gold and money but yeah this will make the game much more interesting and immersive, and encourage players interacives
You nailed a very important point. Players like me who mainly play solo have absolutely nothing to gain with engaging other players, particularly posses, because the majority of the time they just want to troll you with no consequences. If you could put a bounty on their heads, for instance, that would attract other players in the lobby then that could at least even the playing field a little. As it stands, if a posse of three decides to troll you, you just don't have a chance. What, you can add 2 cents to their bounty? Give me a break. There should have been a mechanism to report your intentions, for instance. If a player indicates they want to help on a mission and it makes you impervious to their assault, then you'd have an incentive to interact. For those who want random PVP they could always accept the hostile challenge of a random player. Etc.
@@tekharthazenyatta2310 Exactly!! . In fact what they did by isolating the players just made griefing worse. Because now when you get briefed by a posse , it’s in isolation, and there’s enough of them to track you down. It just gets personal and ugly because there isn’t any incentive. I’ve been playing the game since it came out non stop and online as well so I interacted and was part of plenty of posses, some were so toxic that one of them would go and instigate some shit then cry wolf to their posse members and that would now justify a whole personal raid on you for the next like hour. You deplete your resources regardless of who wins the fight and you gain nothing at all apart from bragging rights and some xp I guess. This would happen a lot. I also remember one of the best times was when you could hear from further and see people from anywhere on the map. Me and a random dude heard a kid getting griefed by some teens over in valentine, back when that was the griefer hub, the kid couldn’t be older than 10. The random asked if I wanted to go help and me and him quickly rushed in all the way from Emeralds and went and destroyed those fools. By the end we had the teens apologizing to the kid. We also told the kid to maybe leave town and we will escort him some place. I remember the teens being so afraid , but it wasn’t that sort of toxic fear that comes from being griefed, to them it felt like they triggered something and the law was after them. It was an immersive kind of fear. That was one of the best experiences I ever had. Heck even just the ride from emerald to valentine made me feel like I’m playing that infamous Valentine bank heist in story mode. Imagine now if that was incentivized with roles.
@@n3rgal166 That’s what they would have to do and should have done. They would need to make the roles better and interesting and the best and simplest way is to optimize them for role playing player interactions as a focus with some NPC interactions for those who just want to do solo. Right now the only role that feels like it has a lot to do is trader. I would say, keep the roles exclusive then allow for a switch of characters like from camp.
The only problem with the online was the extreme lack of content which could’ve been easily saved if they just add actual substantial and meaningful content (there’s literal files of stuff that was going to be in the game that actually could save the damn game or give it more life) but they refuse to do literally anything with it.
I feel this review is a bit unfair with the question of the weapons. The beginner weapons aren't strictly inferior to the one you get later on (with the exceptions of bullshit explosive ammos). This is because the game is heavily biased towards headshots. Even using the Bolt Action Rifle with Express round, you will need multiple shot to kill any NPC in the body, usually 3. Because of the bolt nature of the rifle you usually would have the time to shoot 6 times with the basic repeater which probably would have overall a similar dps on body shots, with the bolt action Rifle having the avantage of the range. This is why the Varmint Rifle was actually during a time the most overpowered gun in the game thanks to it's insane rate of fire and ammo pool which turned it into a headshot machine. So albeit you have a few outliners here such as the Rolling Block rifle being able to one shot in body shit with a very specific card build or the previously mentionned explosive ammos, the guns are actually quite balanced
And there are many ways to make money to acquire said "op" weapons. The online is balanced around merit. Put the work in and get strong or swipe the card. No one likes getting rolled in a pvp environment but there are systems for that in place like the defensive mode or just find a new lobby. Also the ability cards are a great equalizer once you learn how they work.
I don't feel like he has played online enough to give the type of review he normally gives. He's playing like I did when I first started. Not using dead eye tonics etc.
Rdr2 is a great game and it is enjoyable especially if you've got friends and I made some good friends through it. The issue is that rockstar left the game to die by not adding stuff or updating it
For new players the game is really good. A lot things to do. Problem is they don’t update the game so it gets boring after a while. If they kept updating the game, it could be one of the best online games
That’s what I’m saying!! I feel like Luke didn’t play this game long enough to make this review… there isn’t Griefers that ruin your experience.. making money is so fast once you grind for a couple hours.. all the guns work the same way.. my cousin is level 450 and still only uses the carbine repeater and Cattleman’s revolver…
I felt like he was wrong on a lot of points here to be honest. I uninstalled about 2 months or so ago and i have played since day one literally and guaranteed have more hours than most, but things like saying you need a good gun to do missions or how money is an issue and all that feel wrong. Even in pvp i have lower ranked friends that dominate high ranked players. This is a great experience for newer players, especially if you don’t mind murdering other players when they bother you.
@@ded2thaworld963 He needed to purchase and rank up at least one role before passing judgement. I started playing GTA on old gen before career builder about 1 year ago, and as a day 1 player you truly had no chance even during the so called tutorial with griefers killing me while I was in the clothing store buying an outfit to finish the tutorial. GTA is such a toxic experience, I went back to red dead to collaborate with other players and enjoy the immersion.
The people at Rockstar need to be held accountable for this. Keeping the player base safe from hackers is the bare minimum that is required from them. Having no one accountable in these big companies is getting really old and I'm tired of it.
I actually had an good time playing this, building up an camp and a bar, doing dailies different hunting or bounty hunter missions, finding collectibles. Also I did most of it in passive mode with mostly no problems from other other players. I don't think you can do any review of this by playing it only a few hours.
Yeah, he has the starter rife and tries to PVP and says the games is broken. I would have liked if he least tried bounty hunting or the trader role. or the co-op missions. yeah free roam pvp sucks it has always sucked. you cant say the game is bad off that.
@@skycap3081 The starter rifle isn't even bad by any means, it's just that the game is heavily biased towards headshots. Once you understand that you can do absolute carnage even with the Varmint Rifle as long as you hit these headshots. It's also quite curious he didn't showcased bounty hunting or crimes, but i guess he didnt had the 15 gold bars to get the licence
@@Serious_Ludd Hard to judge the online without having played it. you get a map every 5 levels that give you more then enough gold to get bounty hunter.
It does feel like I'm angry all the time if get pulled into feuds with random people who think RDO should be a battle royale, get themselves the best weapons, make it their purpose to slaughter people minding their own business. I put on defensive mode and avoid everyone else. There are some absolutely amazingly great folks to hang out with (had a silly time in a moonshine shack yesterday, played around for no reason with someone's beautiful horse that they had left noodling around Valentine), but you have to luck out and find the nice folks with the nice posses. It's still a beautiful place to be out collecting or doing the naturalist thing, but in my heart of hearts I know there needs to be more ways to interact with the world--even just baths and hotel rooms and sleeping in cabins and tents, and roleplaying the heck out of the space--for the nice people to want to stay.
Just an FYI: In RDR2 and RDO theres an aim lock and an aim assist (both of which you can turn off/ tweak in settings). The aim lock is the crazy aim assist you're experiencing and the aim assist is just standard. If you turn the lock off then it will be normal aim assist. You can also turn on free aim which will get rid of both and grant an extra 20xp per kill.
@@Dermetsu yeah, the aim lock isn't even in RDO (against players). There's even a card you can equip that disables assists for and against you while using the Dead Eye. Luke was talking out of his ass
@@jack48382 yeah, he does that a ton in this video. "The low level guns are super weak! And headshots don't even render." *Gets a headshot with an unclean starting rifle.* "Well..."
I loved Red Dead Online. Still occasionally play it because I think it’s a great concept for an online game. I mostly play it for the hunting and whatnot but it’s fun either way. A big problem I noticed was that anytime you would see Rockstar announce dlc or content for it through social media, the comment section would be filled with whiny dicks saying “nobody cares give us GTA 6.” I think that could play a huge role in how much effort a company wants to put in something like this.
@@CP-uw4ts I suppose that would be another thing to consider. I've grown up in a western rural area for most of my life so I do find myself overlooking the cultural aspect more than I should.
@@hiltonbates7015 It doesn’t, but even jez corden(who’s British), said most gen z British kids don’t give a rats ass about anything regarding Americana so it was guaranteed to never do GTAV/GTA online numbers. Gangsters however are universal.
It seems Rockstar didn't even know what to do with Red Dead Online which is unfortunate. There's no other big Wild West games out there, especially one with an online mode. Could've had a ton of potential had they dedicated more than bare minimal in terms of support.
I think rdo failure also had to do with Dan houser having a foot out the door. Go watch Darks videos about R* and all the shady shit Sam houser did how R* fucked over Ray liotta and the guy who played CJ
Part of the problem with the PVP is the existence of upgrades for the players that, if I remember correctly, make it so that headshots don't actually do any extra damage or make it much harder to lock on to someone. The trade-off is supposed to be that these upgrades only take effect when the player is using dead-eye, but players are able to buy items that give you unlimited dead-eye for a short amount of time and you can just stock up on a bunch of those and basically have infinite dead eye.
It just sucks because I think the core gameplay of Read Dead 2 is so much better than that of GTA V, and yet it isn't the one that received the care that it needed.
The Dead Eye card Slipperly Bastard is very OP. Combined with "insta tonicing" (players who can take tonics so fast that they never actually leave DE to do it) and they become pretty much immune to everything bar arrows or free aim snipes or shotguns really close up. As someone who sucks at sniping and likes to live in the enemies mid-range I hate SB with a passion
@@gonzobandito I prefer the bow so you don't leave yourself open trying to get in close and I like PIB but I also have pretty much stopped playing. There's no point to doing anything anymore.
GTAO makes billions of dollars because they add cool stuff and heaps of 10 year olds steal there parents credit cards to buy shark cards. RDO makes a lot less because Rockstar never added anything worth spending real money on and the most of the players are adults that don’t mind earning things on there own.
Luke’s experience was mine on RDO. The single-player experience spoils players (in a good way). You go from interacting with all these NPCs and a lived-in SPM world and no problems buying stuff, to an empty RDO world where oats and pistols are expensive. Maybe RDO should have been a totally different map to avoid the comparison. RDO isn’t even good compared to other MMO RPGs. Not sure why RS even bothered except for a quick money grab.
@@epiphany2927 RDO is way better than the single player. Single player can be played once, for what, a limited amount of hours? Online can be played for months if you want to. Doesn't even compare. I loved the story but the online blew it completely out of the water.
This guy has one of the cleanest setups I've seen on youtube. Well done, man! The production quality looks great, thumbs up for the KEF speakers in the background :D
I love the online mode... during Covid lockdown it was one of the games that my friends and I would play to stay connected. We used the private server hack to keep from running into cheaters / hackers. Every once in a while we'd return to the public servers and instantly get carpet bombed by some guy with a hack menu lol. Then go back to private. We stopped playing after the grinding got repetitive.
This whole situation with RDO just makes me sad, really. I spent so many hours in that world, met so many nice people and I’ve so many awesome memories. Just to get totally pooped on in the face by Rockstar. Sure GTA 6 will surely be good, I have no doubt about that, but that’s not the point. I will truly miss the world of RDO. Dear Rockstar: Fuck you guys - sincerely.
I have more time in this game than any other, nearly 4k hours. Almost all of that was online. I didn’t play to stack cash or gold it was all about player interaction. Money is never an issue, i never grind and i still manage to quite literally own everything by playing casually.
Same here except I loved grinding, all about playing solo for me! Too difficult/impossible to find likeminded people from such a small pool anyway. I think RDO players, especially the obsessives, were of a pretty specific variety of person. Nothing against those persons, just not relatable.
They never even finished the fucking story in RDO. They promised "More to come." and that was the end of it. So much wasted potential, once again GTA Online rears its ugly head. Red Dead Redemption 2 remains my all time favorite game, but solely because of the stellar Singleplayer.
I played RDO for about 100 hours with a friend of mine, and we had a lot of fun. We came up with our own religion that included torching people in order to send them to the phoenix.
My experience with RDR2's online mode was basically trying to grind through what little there was to do while having nearly every activity interrupted by griefers sniping me. Then realizing that all my efforts barely earned me enough to restock the ammo I'd used and keep my weapons in good condition, let alone actually buy anything new.
My man gets wrecked by Yong using a Springfield rifle (dirt cheap single shot rifle) and a sawed off shotgun ( cheap and absurdly close range) says yong is op smh
Played RDO for a long time, stopped playing not because it's bad, just i was burned out from it. Honestly, I know many will disagree with me, but i think that what's already there in the game is actually pretty decent. I've had fun with many of the aspects the game has to offer, and I know many people as well had the same experience as me. Not many games retains for years thousands of players with hundreds of hours. However, one of the main issues with what led to the downfall of RDO and players giving up on this game was long before december 2021. With each update that came in, there would always be this feeling that R* could've done much more. For example, with the Bounty Hunter expansion in 2020, a lot of players, including myself, enjoyed a ton the new missions that came with the update, but once you finish doing the missions you end up wondering, "is that everything this update brought?". Even if the new updates wasn't what people were asking, you could see that many players actually enjoyed it. I don't why this happened, there was probably a small team behind RDO and they barely got resources to produce bigger updates, maybe. And don't come at me with the argument that RDO wasn't profitable. RDR 2 alone sells at least 1 million copies every quarter, and you'd be surprised at how many people buy gold bars. Sure, GTAO is probably the most profitable piece of entertainment of all time, but RDO still was a decent source of revenue. The main problem with RDO is that it never was GTAO
I get all this. I absolutely loved my time with RDO. What I hated was how, and I’m not sure if I’m wording this right - unnecessarily grindy they made certain things feel. For example, the trader role. Hunting can be fun, but it’s made unnecessarily grindy from two aspects. First, getting 3 start pelts was the only way to supply your camp, yet it’s so easy to accidentally knock a 3 start down in grade. Second, we dealt with poor animal spawns for SO long…. Bounties we’re fun and the only true way to earn gold besides the daily challenges, but the payout system was ridiculous with how they incentivized you to take longer with finishing missions. The moonshiner role was fun but they forced you to have the other roles unlocked prior, so you had to grind for more gold or pay real money to access a role you might not have wanted. You gotta do a crap ton of fishing to extend your max health, which when you weren’t being griefed was a lengthy process altogether. And the economy - forget expensive guns. The money you needed just to care for and feed your horse, yet you had to buy the damn brush lol.
@@DrewCheech "You gotta do a crap ton of fishing to extend your max health". There are far better ways to max health. Grab a bow and head to Van Horn or Thieves Landing and start killing NPCs. If you get good at headshots then every 100 gets you another .4 gold (every other weapon is 1000). Health will max fast. It's the Dead Eye that takes ages to lvl.
I hate r* for making me fall in love with RDO way more than I ever could have with gtao and then prioritizing content for gtao anyway, knowing full well that RDO was the better game.
I could imagine another reason, why it’s not worthwhile for rockstar to implement a good multiplayer for RDR2. If it’s really fun, it could cannibalise the GTA MP. 10 million more RDR2 people could mean 8 million less GTA online players. If my assumption is valid, it would mean, that there is no benefit for rockstar to do this.
this online mode really needed proper roleplaying tools & property management overhauls (aka buying your own property & building EXACTLY what you'd like completely your own way from design to color to aesthetics)
knowing Rockstar, I have little doubt the story of GTA 6 will be great. But the online? Seeing the state of GTA Online, and them completely neglecting/abandoning Red Dead Online....leaves me worried for any online projects Rockstar will have.
@@MalikATL the story rdr2 is way better, if rockstar gave a fuck about rdo it would be better, hard to compare online when one actually got regular updates.
Also, for MP they have more than enough ability (and money) to move away from peer to peer online modes to dedicated servers and fix their modder issues.
Red Dead Online is a dangerous game. it’s full of booters, hackers, trolls, manipulators, toxicity, glitches etc. but in my opinion, you can’t judge the game if you haven’t played it for what it’s worth entirely yet. it’s easy to think badly of it if you’re new to it, it’s going to be hard to get up in the game & meet the right group to play it with. but it’s best to actually try and put in real effort before shutting it down yourself.. once you get ahold of things it’ll be easy to make money, to get xp, and to defend yourself. yes, the game desperately need bug fixes, sever fixes, new content or even recycled content, a better community & better communication between R* and the community itself but only playing for a little time; not getting to experience the good and true fun within the game..just doesn’t seem right to judge it so harshly. as silly as it sounds, for many people Rdo & Rdr2/1 saved them, or maybe the people on it.. i don’t know hah. give it another go, mate. experience it truly. cheers
I had fun with RDO. I got to the point where I maxed out everything and there isn't really anything else I want. I favorite mode is the wave defense and that's locked behind an obnoxious timer like a bad mobile game.
You forgot to include that too many players online also used the Chronus to mod their controllers (ruining PVP). I used to play this game (A LOT) until PVP became unplayable. The failure of rockstar to stop this led to many communities getting frustrated and walking away in huge numbers.
I mean, you can't expect a low level player who barely put any hours into the game to reap the rewards of a player who has put hundreds. You can't join any multiplayer game and expect to come close to winning aginst players who grinded. Just doesn't make sense. Same thing could apply to GTA, strong bias here
I’m not excited for GTA 6 especially since Lazlow, Dan Houser left because GTA won’t be the same anymore got a feeling GTA 6 going to have the worst micro transactions from memberships, loot boxes, pay wall content and some type of battle pass system.
I’m a day one player of RDR2 and RDO and to this day I play RDO almost daily and have a very enjoyable experience. It’s not without its many faults but when you tap into what it has to offer its wonderful. I won’t go into a long diatribe as to why but I feel it’s a shame that people are more interested in finding ways to slam it than to try to understand why thousands of players like myself enjoy it so much. It’s not COD, it’s not Fortnite, it’s not RDR2 and it’s not even living up to its own potential… but it is a vast world with tons to do if you lean into it.
Rockstar is incredibly stupid for doing this to Red Dead online! If they would have put the same effort in they would have had double the profits. (GTAO & RDO). But I get it, as a business you want to make as much money doing the least amount of work. I'm not mad that one of my favorite games is pretty much being placed on the back burner I'm just very disappointed in a company I grew up with and enjoyed everything they put out.
I felt like they botched the launch of RDO and I never ended up going back. The solitude of single player was all I needed and wanted 🤷♂️ I could see the draw if you have close friends who play the game.... But I don't
The problem with rdo is it was an experiment to see just how greedy they could get with the next iteration. When the beta was a failure in both their financial goals and retaining a player base and they tried to make some good content and we came so close with the start of the roles but they pissed it away, maybe for lack of ideas for future roles and sure you can make houses purchasable but then players will get bored of that interiors in gta online arent anything great
As amazing as gta 5 and red dead 2 were, it’s a shame that they’ve become so money focused with all the online content, and no single player dlc for either game. Both games had such amazing worlds, it would’ve been so cool to get more single player story content. I know, they’re a big company and they need to make money, but they are doing some scummy things now like not doing free upgrades for the next gen consoles even though they didn’t change much, and releasing a really half baked remake of 3 and the other games from that time. I really hope 6 is amazing and it probably will be, but I’m not as confident as I once was.
Unlike GTA Online, it's really difficult to kick start your professions in RDO without spending real money. Every profession in GTAO is bought with dollars, which can be earned fairly easily, even from day 1 if you have friends with access to heists. Every profession in RDO is bought with Gold Bars which take forever to farm in game, regardless of how many friends you have. If you want to get into the professions in RDO but you don't want to grind through daily challenges every day for a week to unlock each one, you will end up spending real money. The progression experience in each game is so radically different that they don't even feel like they were made by the same company.
stop inventing, it is not hard to get gold. You can get a role a week if you do all the daily challenges. After completing the tutorial you almost have enough gold to get your first profession.
@@jack48382 fr. played both gtao and rdo and honestly getting your first 15 gold bard in rdo is a much easier task than getting your first million in gtao when all you have are contact missions. both games are a grind but gtao is far worse than rdo
When you think about all the time and resources that went into making RDO; they could have put all of that back into the singe player story with add-in content. At the very least, they could have ported all the horses and clothing etc... to single player but I guess that was too hard for R* to manage.
i have 339 hours in rdr2 for pc. At least 200 of that was from online playing with a buddy. At the time the content was good(coming from no content at all guess so) and we would end up making our own fun a lot of times because of how the game world was and the community weren't dicks to each other like in gta, sometimes i would even turn off my hud and map and just roam around and had a blast. Dam shame what R* did to red dead online oh well guess the next best thing is Wild RP
Played since it came out, level 400 something with more cash and gold then I could spend. I quit like a year ago and no updates since.. so I don’t regret quitting sigh.
bruh speaking the absolute truth about Yong Yea. All dude does us just regurgitate articles he reads on air and gives whatever opinion the internet dictates he must have at that time. He never deviates from mass internet opinion, NEVER. That is what makes me appreciate what Luke does. There are games where the internet does nothing but crap on them but if he sees it different, he isn't afraid to go against the grain. I truly appreciate that because 90% of gaming TH-camrs just regurgitate the same stuff and rarely have a differing viewpoint of current internets opinion. I'm just glad somebody finally said it because it needed to be said.
no offense to this guy but he has no idea what he's talking about this is a very amature-ish break down of the rdr online, as a person who played the online since the beginning, the reason that rockstar abandoned the online isn't because of the economy is terrible and it's not fun, it's because the economy is too good, it's so good that no one is buying the microtransaction gold. if you sell a full wagon you get 625$ which takes like a total of 3 hours. if you sell a ready to ship moonshine batch it's around 200$ which takes like 40 mins and the gold you get from daily challenges were so good Rockstar halved the amount you get from it last year because everyone was making too much gold and not buying the gold that rockstar sells. and on gta online the economy is so terrible that people have to buy cash, it takes along time to make 1 million $ and the best cars and vehicles cost millions a piece. so they keep making content for it because it's a cash cow. red dead online's economy is so genrous compared to gta online that it's not making any money so they abandon it.
To be fair, everything in GTA is also super expensive, and you need to grind hard to get started and to earn enough to even buy a car, same in Red Dead, it's all about the grind. And people seem to enjoy GTA. And speaking of GTA, RDO is super friendly in comparison, I have over 3500+ hours in RDO and can go days without being attacked. In GTA you can't even go minutes.
I think that RDO was always going to be limited by the time period that it was set in. Personally I love the old west setting, but I’d be willing to bet that most people would rather grind for a flying car in GTA online than they would for a horse that’s marginally faster than every other horse.
One aspect I like about RDO is that I began to feel a connection to my starter horse and don't want to grind for a different one, even for a flying horse. I'll grind for better saddle/stirrups/etc. to make him marginally better, but he's, like, my loyal steed who has fallen down cliffs with me all across the map. I wonder how many people would have loved the time period if it had been used with maximum creativity. For me, if I want to be in a fast and wild city, I can get on a train and meet some friends for lunch. And RDO could have its wild-and-crazy towns as well as it's quiet places, if both were set up well. Not everybody is going to love Stray, for example, but I'd hang out as a cat for a few days doing nothing but hopping around and napping and listening to music. I wish there were more motivation--and sufficient off-the-charts profit--for companies to produce settings that cater to (to put it in simplistic terms) introverts as well as extroverts.
why cant you rob banks or ranch farms for lifestock or a river boat casino. We want to be outlaws not picking up cards and get sprayed in the face for hunting. what if rdo had a heist with setups missions and a finale to rob a bank. Why not put that in the game and then say players are not playing it its a flop. That is what people have wanted from the start.
I hate this opinion more than any other one. There's truth in it but I absolutely hate it. I vastly prefer the slower pace of RDO to the fast life ridiculousness of GTA, I vastly prefer a living horse with a personality and a bond to a car in those games. Frustrating to no end, I'm like the grandpa that likes to sit outside and sip lemonade and enjoy the weather but all these fuckin kids won't shut the hell up with their loud ass motors in my neighborhood.
"Am I having fun" I asked myself the same question while playing this today. It's a weird game. So many stunning elements and then so many frustrating things happening too. I think maybe if I put 100 hours into RDO it might start to reveal it's greatness. But yeah those first handful of hours are brutal. The KB and mouse keybinds are ridiculous too.
I mean it's your thing what's fun for you but your representation of the game is quite flawed here. First of all, PvP was always bad in any Rockstar game and it always will be. It's not really the point why people play these games and what makes them stand out. There is something like "headshots" and you don't need 10 shots with a beginner gun to kill someone. You yourself killed someone with like 3 body shots in your video. The problem is that you don't hit your targets at all because you don't wait for your aim to steady up. Next thing is "they snipe you from a distance with the strong autoaim"... thing is autoaim doesn't work with sniper scopes so if they do it with autoaim they do it without the scope and in that case you can do the same to them. Also complaining about not being on the same level gearwise in a game that is at least meant to be a lightweight rpg is just weird. Of cause they have better weapons, otherwise what would be the point of progressing at all? If someone makes it their mission to hunt you down you don't have to engage with them... there are plenty of mechanics to give you the option to run away. But if you're triggered like that and keep trying to fight them that's on you :D The economy is really not that bad anymore. It was at launch but now there are alot of ways to make decent money. Especially at the beginning you can simply follow the story missions and let those guide you (they don't just end after the intro like you described it) and you'll have a pretty decent amount of money to buy some weapons that i still use in the endgame like the bold action rifle or the pump action shotgun. Blood Money mission are in no way high production value mission. They were supposed to be but they are not and that's why most of the RDO community was pretty disapointed about that DLC. On the topic of cheaters it's also a typical Rockstar problem but tbh for a Rockstar game it's pretty good in RDO if you compare it with GTAO.. I play daily atm for at least 1-2 hours, often longer, because a friend just got into the game and in the last 2 weeks i came across 2 cheaters. There are alot more small points but i think i got my point across. The game has tons of problems and i'm the first one to complain about it but they are different ones than the misconceptions you gathered about the game. Maybe you should've checked how accurate your impressions are with someone who actually plays and knows the game so this person could have told you where you're actually right and it's the games fault or in which cases you just didn't get the mechanics right. I hope this post didn't come across as too hostile or disrespectful. Usually i like your videos and i know it's just supposed to be your short impressions from looking into it for a short time. But in this case maybe you should've stated more often that it's just a small impression instead of delivering it like facts about the game when some of them are straight up wrong.
omg finally this video was making me angry, he was complaining about literally being a low level, we all started somewhere does he think the game should be different just for him!!? he was just terrible at rdr2 and was complaining about it lol
I started online a month ago, I’m really enjoying it but I have bought gold bars twice for better weapons etc as I kept getting so frustrated! Definitely shouldn’t have given in but bounty hunter is a really good role for new players, if you do daily challenges to earn gold bars to buy this and free roam missions kinda helps, you can just grind the missions for money and gold bars but I guess it does get boring after awhile too..
I've put probably 40-50 hours into online and I had a lot of fun because I was playing with 2-4 other people 80% of the time. Headshots kill 100% of the time unless they have 1 specific build meant to survive them. I didn't have the whole "These guys are fucking me because of what they have" moment. After playing the story I was so used to the combat that I was never really at a disadvantage. Get good bro. Aim assist is strong but everyone has it equally. Just buy the bolt action rifle. Its cheap and one of the best options. Right now if a new player loads into gta online they'll get absolutely ran by oppressors and laser tanks and all kinds of op garbage that costs $2+ mil and isn't fun to use but they're forced to buy them in order to compete.
Luke, I normally enjoy your content. But this is a pretty rough take. Playing through the intro and the first series of story missions explains and teaches you how to play properly, which in this video, you are not. The point of RDO is not to get locked into repetitive shoutouts with comparatively over-leveled opponents, get mad and then blame the game or your weapons. The weapons you start out with are adequate and are sometimes used by high level players. Not as much the cattleman, but I’ve seen players over level 200, using the carbine. It’s not the weapons. It’s that instead of the story, you’re focusing on fighting griefers. You’re not using deadeye and you even said “there’s no headshots”. You say there’s nothing to do, then spend 5 minutes listing off all the different missions, roles and multiplayer matches. Come on, man. Did someone pay you for this video?
The reason I left this shit was because I just kept getting murdered by other players when I was just trying to do missions. I remember playing the shit out of the first game's online and a big reason was because I could set my own private session.
i always say never be too hyped on a new game thats not out yet always go into the new game with very low expectations so that when you finally get your hands on it and play it for the very first time it blows your mind out of the world. and then when u have played it for a few days then start working out if your expectations have been blown out of the water or not.
No undead nightmare and that hurts i dont think of Rockstar the same anymore. I hated the aiming in rdr2 in the story it makes sense I guess quick gunslinger stuff but not online.
Do you expect to walk on to a game with people that have put years in to it and not get your ass kicked? I didn’t. The joy was when I started kicking their asses. It felt earned. Put yourself in the “defensive mode” they provide, so people can’t fuck with you so easy and grind, remember grinding? Before games were tailored to the “participation award” generation. When you feel lucky, take defensive mode off and have a pop. It’s an online game with RPG elements and a levelling system. GTA online is far worse for high level players fucking over noobs.
I think an ‘adopt a low level’ concept could work to help new players learn more about RDR Online… ability cards trip people up consistently, with many guides on-line being outright incorrect or being compiled by players who can’t PVP to begin with… I have a few characters and am currently bringing one up through the ranks and honestly, the issue for me is that it’s too easy to get above rank 100 and have everything I ‘need’ in the game. Ultimately R* haven’t got their economy or rank rewards system sorted - so the only people buying anything with real money are the level 10’s (if they make it that far)
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I don't know why they spent years and hundreds of thousands of hours on making a great game when they don't even bother making content for it. I'm sure most people who played the game would come back if there was a single player dlc but we're never going to get that stuff anymore as long as people can buy shark cards and gold bars
Money. Thats the reason
I would really enjoy a single player expansion for the new rockstar games I guess the closest thing we are going to get is the Franklin and Lamar mission in gta online. I would really like a rdr2 single player expansion for Captain Monroe, Sadie, or Charles.
Right, the single player is hands down my favorite story personally and the fact they won’t even at least do a next gen port update is crazy
RDR2 single-player is a fully realized and complete game. The only fair argument you can make is that they recreated Mexico with hardly anything to do there. Other than that.. nothing. Not every game needs dlc.
@@RB8Gem9 Not every game needs it, I agree. So many of us crave it, though. So many don't want to let the world go, and would pay for the privilege of doing more in it, just like folks have stuck with other worlds for years and years. Blame R* for making players feel its realness into our bones.
It's a travesty this happened to RDO - so much potential. If they wanted this to be a "cash cow" like GTA Online, maybe they shouldn't have put the JV team on it.
Big big big agree. They could have made it so much better if they had leaned fully in to the role playing side of RDO wich was easily the best part of it. If they made it just a full on MMO rpg where communicating with other players was nessecary to get over sertain points it would have been so fucking cool man... such a waste
They actually put their A team on it initially. R* is just hillariously incompetent when it comes to development if they do not have 8 years of development time and a huge budget.
What potential? Please somebody tell me what else can they do with an online western? I see everybody saying save RDO but whyyy? It's been 4 years what are they supposed to do with it? Put oppressors in it?
There’s not much more I can think of them adding tbh, maybe a couple more jobs, and property, but that’s about it
It’s not like GTA online took any effort to be a cash cow so it makes sense rockstar didn’t support Red dead in the slightest if you look at GTA online it is one of the worst managed games ever made their are thousands of hackers every where, awful AI, an awful inventory menu that has almost a hundred different inputs, dog ass mission design that is essentially “go here pick up thing with zero dialogue or story and bring it back, then do this 6 times and then you get to do a good version of this mission with actual dialogue and story”, awful tutorial that explains absolutely nothing, and the worst economy in a game where a stun gun is $500,000.
When RDO was new, it was a blast - I took the time to create a character who looked just like me, my siblings and cousin did the same, and a few times a week, we got together in our gang and rode around for a few hours at a time having way too much fun. Every session we had some insane moment that we'd talk about until the next time we got online - some stupid trick someone pulled during a mission, some one in a million shot one of us pulled, etc. - and sometimes we just got online and peacefully rode together, hunted, and talked, catching up about our lives in a gorgeous setting. We're all adults who live on opposite sides of the country and we only see each other in person once or twice a year, so I can genuinely say the game brought us closer together as a family. But...trying to dive deeper into anything RDO offered was pointless. Solo play online ruined it for me - logging on alone to make some extra money and I'm getting shot in the head by some OP player who bought all their shit with real money, or some hacker is messing with me, or what little money I have in-game can only buy the stupidest-looking clothing devised by man, which adds insult to injury bc I spent so much time on the facial design - surprise, my Mona Lisa of character creation can only wear clown clothes. I gave up like most everybody else. They really had something special and they just...abandoned it like a joke.
Same, sorta. Money has never been an issue for me up until recently. When RDO first launched me and my friends in hs (at the time) found some glitches with animal and fish duplication so I had extensive money up until pretty much last time I played. Only finally started buying other horses and stuff too
Damn
Ur a king for writing this. Here’s your crown 👑
Yeah, I wish I had gotten that experience. Bad games are always good with friends.
There's no pay to win. All the gold in the world won't get you the best equipment.
It’s pretty crazy to witness really…Rockstar literally turned into the very thing they’ve been making fun of for decades.
Wow, what an original statement. Definitely never heard that before
@@callumkellly You know having no father doesn’t make you special anymore maybe you should find him
@@davemathews8695 you know calling people fatherless doesn’t make you cool maybe you should go find yours that would be cool
@@davemathews8695 and anything you say to me cannot be as bad as how you must feel after the nft stock crashed
@@Dalgoons And not mention you needing to steal my insult to try to make me angry. Here’s a idea create a new and actually funny insult and try not meatriding off of other people
If they just added more content i would be playing it day n nite, i mean when rdo launch me and my brother put hours into it. Went back into it a few months ago and was bored out of my mind, plus the design flaws with completing missions and how taking longer on a mission(u typically just sit around until the time is almost done) grants you more money than if you complete it relatively quick.
Your first sentence made me think of No Man's Sky, which I love but I can't play much because once I start, I'll want to stay on 24/7. The different types of grinds don't feel grindy to me, because you're constantly working toward something of interest, and there are different interests to pursue. I feel like they could have channelled that feeling into RDO with some actual good goals.
@@SPQRKlio yeah it's very subjective, personally i get why people hate the newer RPG assassin's creed games, but i love them because there's so much content, skills, armors, weapons to grind etc.
No mans sky i just have trouble getting into it more, a part of me wants to explore the planets, but the other part of me wants to settle down on a planet and build a massive base, but still to this day, after 30 hours i haven't found a single decent paradise planet to build a base on, it's just always toxic wastelands, or lava pits, or a shitty empty planet filled with sentinels
I remember when red dead first came out, I did a trader mission to carry my leathers to 1 locations. Back then the servers were TERRIBLE. I had disconnected mid journey and lost all the materials I worked for, (animals were rare to run into aswell) so I messaged support to see if I can get my materials back, or atleast 500 in-game dollars to try and make back what I had lost. Idk who tf working there did this big mistake, but I'm forever grateful to them for these- they had repaid me the 500, but not with the in-game dollars, they gave me 500 GOLD BARS. Imagine early game RDO with 500 gold bars, I bought all the weapons I loved from the campaign, customized them to the max, and bought myself some nice outfits and was ready for the future updates. Little did I know how boring having it all would be.
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@@Evanz111 for the first week I was paranoid so I spent as much as I can, I was waiting for a ban or something but maybe someone from their side caught a scolding, or it went under the rug. I just never bragged about it or said anything to anyone besides 2 close friends until today haha. It seems they really didn't care much for RDO
Wow, that guy screwed up. 500 gold bars is a good chunk of change in-game.
@@themagnus2919 looking at the conversion today, R* gave me the equivalent of $150, and no taxes paid ontop of that.
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They were like, "Oh, you lost $500? Sorry, all we can give you is a portion of that. Here's $150."
You were like, "(Should I tell them I meant in-game money?) _> *shrug* Well, if that's all you can offer..."
I loved the online mode. To me, it's the ultimate western immersion simulator. I played it low and slow, and really enjoyed building up my character. It's a shame that RDR2 Online was simply treated like western GTA Online, because it could have been something really special. We could have become ranch hands, own stables, farms, and built houses. We could have become livestock traiders or decided to simply steal livestock. We could have had an option to be good or evil, an honest rancher or evil outlaw. So much potential. So many chances for a great immersive experience on par with the single player. It's a shame they abandoned it, and it's a shame that they didn't play to RDR2's gameplay strengths.
This!
RDO is so shallow. It could be so much better...they always only did had money in mind when designing RDO
Hear hear 🍻
what do you play on man?
@@tiggs03 xbox series x and PC
Despite their being nothing new I still play it because as you say it's the ultimate western simulator.
I spent a lot of time with RDO. I thought it was awesome and really enjoyed everything Rockstar put into it. The roles and the coop missions were great. It’s not GTAO but it didn’t have to be. I only wish they would’ve added property homesteading and building your own farm.
what system do you play on man? saying i love the game is quite an understatement lol. i know there’s not much to do anymore but if you want to hop on and play to relive some of the memories let me know. i miss playing the game, it’s been a while since i’ve been on.
Ps5 bucktizzyy_914 let’s do it
I’m an outlaw. Why would I want a farm/homestead?? Tell me you honestly enjoyed the camp/farm chores in story mode that much??
How would owning a digital farm be any fun? How would it make the game more engaging? It would be boring as hell. Maybe fun for a few hours but then it would just get mind numbingly boring.
@@Pigflippy that’s your singular opinion, ask most longtime players and they’ll say they disagree. look at gta online, there’s more properties than you can even count, it doesn’t have to be fun. it’s simply something people wanted for a long time. just because you don’t want it, doesn’t mean others wouldn’t enjoy it.
It was dumb for them to even try to add online when they knew gta online was their money maker and they never cared about rdo. I would have rather seen them focus more on single player DLC, there was so much that could have been done as DLC
Pretty much. I was hoping they would make a prequel dlc of the van der linde gang robbing the blackwater ferry. RDO shouldn’t even have existed if it was gonna end up horribly
Single player dlc is the first game. Wouldn’t make sense to add more single content
One reason you didn't get head shots is because you shot before it was fully locked on. There's a little circle that shrinks as you lock onto someone, you have to wait until that circle full shrunk down before pulling the trigger if you want your shots to be way more accurate when doing head shots
Half of the problems he had were skill issues or lack of game knowledge. There is a lot wrong with RDO but the guns aren't one of them
rockstar's auto aim is one of the stupidest thing ever in videogames. Makes the online a complete arcade shitsh*w. The first one to lock in with auto aim wins 95% of the time and it's stupid.
I spent so much time playing the original Red Dead Redemption 1 online. It was fun to posse up, explore the open world with friends, and then hop into co-op missions or pvp death matches and gold rush. Ranking up would earn you new playable characters, weapon mastery would permanently unlock gold versions of your guns. It was all about fun, there was no monetization model. They really really messed up with RDR2 online, I didn't even want to play it. Excellent points in the video
I've tried both and feel the opposite. I enjoyed the grind of rdr2. I played nearly every day with the same group of friends the first year of the pandemic. We maxed out all the roles. Played all the legendary bounties. Ran trader and moonshine sells together. Collected sets. Hunted legendary animals for samples. Got hammered, danced, slapped and hugged it out at the moonshine shack. Good times those were. RDO is a grind and a slog but it is the ultimate western simulator.
@@bayoak No arguments here, I think I could have sunk real time into RDR2 online if I had friends willing to play with me. Unfortunately, when we tried to play, there were too many technical issues or we couldn't find populated lobbies in the modes we actually wanted to play. Progression was absolutely a slog, and eventually I found myself playing alone. I wish I had more fun, because I ADORE the single player in RDR2.
Love the live gameplay, Luke. Makes segments like the firefights much more impactful as you’re able to see how a player would actually be feeling in these situations. The frustration is real!!
I just don't care, I play online but in solo Lobby (PS5, MTU 800). All I do is kind of what I'd do if I really lived back there, trying to survive. Hunting, trading, wander around looking at the still incredible scenery. Sometimes I even go to town, walking, paying attention to the npc's. I still have a ton of fun with this game and won't stop anytime soon. It's not everyday tho, I play other games ofc, but at least a couple hours on the week-end. I've never been a coop, multiplayer guy.
How u do a solo lobby
@@kow3757 Need a PS, don't think you can do it on Xbox. In your PS advanced network settings you change the MTU to 800.
“No such thing as a headshot” yes there is you just have to practice. You can be competitive with starting weapons once you get the hang of it. RDO players are way less toxic. Most leave you alone unless you bother them
Definitely the line that kind of gave away his limited experience on the game. Once you understand how biased it is towards headshots and that even the later guns will struggles to kill targets with only body shots, you can get in absolute killing sprees even with the Varmint Rifle as long as you hit these headshots
@@Serious_Ludd the critique of pointing out expensive items was also a display of the limited experience of the game. Once you get roles going the cash comes in like crazy between the collector role and moonshine role.
@@Serious_Ludd yea definitely true. I think some of his other points were fine but he did not really get into the game
He probably doesn’t even know about defensive mode, talking about how the auto aim is to op and thinking the scoped rifles also have auto aim but there free aim
@@mattfarr137 I'm the same opinion as you and I think his Repeater was that bad because it wasn't clean which can make a difference in a fight, at least in my opinion.
Wish invite only servers were an option like in Gta 5, because sometimes you just wanna chill out alone & play some solo side missions
What sucks is that the game wouldn't be so hard to save.
- Buyable (and modifiable to a degree) Properties
- Bank 🏦 and Train 🚂 Robberies that are structured somewhat like GTAO heists
- A couple more roles such as Rancher, Fight Club, Outlaw, ECT.
- Add more cosmetics to the store (even stuff that's already in the game like the Nevada Hat or the Rodeo Hat they could simply add in stores)
- Bring back the outlaw pass in the process
Damnit R*, as a GTAO guy that played pretty much all the content, my hopes for RDO were so damn high before it came out. I was imagining robbing banks and trains and what the heists would look like...The way they've treated this game and its fans is deplorable.
I mean,even the properties are ALREADY THERE. they're already in the code,so they would only have to spend a few days to actually rob em. And the thing about the robberies is,they don't give a shit about us. So they could good as well just throw them into freemode.
Don’t forget Mexico. It’s basically already in the game and I feel like we are never in the west enough for a Wild West game
Even if Rockstar gave you all that, you would still cry
I played online recently also and I love the game mechanics…. And god I wish they gave this game more love but I get bored online now unless I’m killing a lot of people
Basically they took the shell of the Rdr2 world, removed all of the content and random encounters, and very VERY slowly started filling the shell with things to do. I hit level 650 before I finally gave up. A couple of people in my posse hit 1,000 right before we all stopped playing. It was showdowns every night, routine wagon runs, and for what? Why did I grind and waste all of that time? Why do I have hundreds of thousands of dollars and nothing to spend it on? I played online from the first day of Beta. The more time I invested, the more questions I had. Not a single one ever was answered.
They did the same thing with GTAO when it released
The 2 biggest issues with RD2O was the lack of exclusivity of roles and how they decided to solve the player to player issues. You don't solve a multiplayer issue by introducing systems that enforce solitude and reducing interactions with other players. You do it by giving different venues of interaction, which they had a perfect foundation with the roles. How these roles don't focus more on player interaction is beyond me. The lure of being a bounty hunter is ultimately to hunt other players, not NPCs. Bounty hunter would have been the anti griefer role. To handle griefers, give them an outlaw role where you can control their expression by channeling their actions towards gameplay rather than personal attacks because they are bored. How traders can't buy, sell or exchange items with other players is also beyond me. They should have had much more exclusivity with regards to characters and roles. Its great that each role has special and unique abilities and items, but because you can be all roles at the same time it doesn't quite matter. They should have had one major role per character, like the trader and have that expand into moonshining, or the naturalist expanding into ranching. This along with foucussing on player interaction through the roles would make for a never ending interesting experience.
Picture a scenario where the naturalist who has access to special hunting abilities and tools, gets pelts and trades with the trader, who has the special skill to turn these resources into goods and can sell different items to players and in game stores. And outlaws who have special abilities like to hold people up and gadgets to intercept these goods while in transit. This role can expand into collector, which should just be robberies/bulgrary. The bounty hunter should be able to get hired as a bodyguard for these trading trips and can collect bounties on the most infamous outlaws.
Honestly such an ecosystem would generate endless opportunities for fun. Griefers would have a more meaningful way of interacting with others while anti griefers are now incentivised. Those who like to keep to themselves and just hunt and maybe run a ranch would be naturalists while those who look primarily for profit would be traders who can expand into even owning some of the stores and hotels where other players can come and trade or hang out. This would be amazing also because you could have different characters for these different roles as we all know sometimes you wanna be an outlaw other times the moral hero with no name. Sometimes you want to just hunt and other times you wanna make some money. So just switch characters.
Once Rstar began to implement systems that focused more on isolation to deal with griefers rather than incentivising interactions through defined and satisfying gameplay mechanics, the game began to die. Honestly if i wanted to play solo and not interact with anyone, then theres offline.
Facts
These concepts would work great in an MMO game, on the other hand i think forcing exclusivity of roles would make the game a bit boring unless they work really hard on these roles to make them fun for a long time and not repititive, or give players the oppertunity to change roles at will with some gold and money but yeah this will make the game much more interesting and immersive, and encourage players interacives
You nailed a very important point. Players like me who mainly play solo have absolutely nothing to gain with engaging other players, particularly posses, because the majority of the time they just want to troll you with no consequences. If you could put a bounty on their heads, for instance, that would attract other players in the lobby then that could at least even the playing field a little. As it stands, if a posse of three decides to troll you, you just don't have a chance. What, you can add 2 cents to their bounty? Give me a break. There should have been a mechanism to report your intentions, for instance. If a player indicates they want to help on a mission and it makes you impervious to their assault, then you'd have an incentive to interact. For those who want random PVP they could always accept the hostile challenge of a random player. Etc.
@@tekharthazenyatta2310 Exactly!! . In fact what they did by isolating the players just made griefing worse. Because now when you get briefed by a posse , it’s in isolation, and there’s enough of them to track you down. It just gets personal and ugly because there isn’t any incentive.
I’ve been playing the game since it came out non stop and online as well so I interacted and was part of plenty of posses, some were so toxic that one of them would go and instigate some shit then cry wolf to their posse members and that would now justify a whole personal raid on you for the next like hour. You deplete your resources regardless of who wins the fight and you gain nothing at all apart from bragging rights and some xp I guess. This would happen a lot. I also remember one of the best times was when you could hear from further and see people from anywhere on the map. Me and a random dude heard a kid getting griefed by some teens over in valentine, back when that was the griefer hub, the kid couldn’t be older than 10. The random asked if I wanted to go help and me and him quickly rushed in all the way from Emeralds and went and destroyed those fools. By the end we had the teens apologizing to the kid. We also told the kid to maybe leave town and we will escort him some place. I remember the teens being so afraid , but it wasn’t that sort of toxic fear that comes from being griefed, to them it felt like they triggered something and the law was after them. It was an immersive kind of fear. That was one of the best experiences I ever had. Heck even just the ride from emerald to valentine made me feel like I’m playing that infamous Valentine bank heist in story mode. Imagine now if that was incentivized with roles.
@@n3rgal166 That’s what they would have to do and should have done. They would need to make the roles better and interesting and the best and simplest way is to optimize them for role playing player interactions as a focus with some NPC interactions for those who just want to do solo. Right now the only role that feels like it has a lot to do is trader. I would say, keep the roles exclusive then allow for a switch of characters like from camp.
7:44 you need to clean your guns… you know it when your guns starts to do weird sounds
The only problem with the online was the extreme lack of content which could’ve been easily saved if they just add actual substantial and meaningful content (there’s literal files of stuff that was going to be in the game that actually could save the damn game or give it more life) but they refuse to do literally anything with it.
“We’re having fun 🤩 we’re having fun” I love it your tone saying that so great !!!
I feel this review is a bit unfair with the question of the weapons. The beginner weapons aren't strictly inferior to the one you get later on (with the exceptions of bullshit explosive ammos).
This is because the game is heavily biased towards headshots. Even using the Bolt Action Rifle with Express round, you will need multiple shot to kill any NPC in the body, usually 3. Because of the bolt nature of the rifle you usually would have the time to shoot 6 times with the basic repeater which probably would have overall a similar dps on body shots, with the bolt action Rifle having the avantage of the range.
This is why the Varmint Rifle was actually during a time the most overpowered gun in the game thanks to it's insane rate of fire and ammo pool which turned it into a headshot machine.
So albeit you have a few outliners here such as the Rolling Block rifle being able to one shot in body shit with a very specific card build or the previously mentionned explosive ammos, the guns are actually quite balanced
And there are many ways to make money to acquire said "op" weapons. The online is balanced around merit. Put the work in and get strong or swipe the card. No one likes getting rolled in a pvp environment but there are systems for that in place like the defensive mode or just find a new lobby.
Also the ability cards are a great equalizer once you learn how they work.
I don't feel like he has played online enough to give the type of review he normally gives. He's playing like I did when I first started. Not using dead eye tonics etc.
@@brianbiswell7591 i barely use/used dead-eye or tonics and I was better than that
The Colt Navy though, usually 1-2 shots most players. I would know, it’s the gun that carried me through all my PVP
Honestly, i think GTA 6 is going to be a cyberpunk 2077 situation
Rdr2 is a great game and it is enjoyable especially if you've got friends and I made some good friends through it. The issue is that rockstar left the game to die by not adding stuff or updating it
For new players the game is really good. A lot things to do. Problem is they don’t update the game so it gets boring after a while. If they kept updating the game, it could be one of the best online games
That’s what I’m saying!! I feel like Luke didn’t play this game long enough to make this review… there isn’t Griefers that ruin your experience.. making money is so fast once you grind for a couple hours.. all the guns work the same way.. my cousin is level 450 and still only uses the carbine repeater and Cattleman’s revolver…
He said a can of food could cost 1,000s?!? Never seen that once either Lmao
I felt like he was wrong on a lot of points here to be honest. I uninstalled about 2 months or so ago and i have played since day one literally and guaranteed have more hours than most, but things like saying you need a good gun to do missions or how money is an issue and all that feel wrong. Even in pvp i have lower ranked friends that dominate high ranked players. This is a great experience for newer players, especially if you don’t mind murdering other players when they bother you.
@@monstermarc227 he definitely didn’t play it enough to get a grip on it.
@@ded2thaworld963 He needed to purchase and rank up at least one role before passing judgement. I started playing GTA on old gen before career builder about 1 year ago, and as a day 1 player you truly had no chance even during the so called tutorial with griefers killing me while I was in the clothing store buying an outfit to finish the tutorial. GTA is such a toxic experience, I went back to red dead to collaborate with other players and enjoy the immersion.
The people at Rockstar need to be held accountable for this. Keeping the player base safe from hackers is the bare minimum that is required from them. Having no one accountable in these big companies is getting really old and I'm tired of it.
I actually had an good time playing this, building up an camp and a bar, doing dailies different hunting or bounty hunter missions, finding collectibles.
Also I did most of it in passive mode with mostly no problems from other other players.
I don't think you can do any review of this by playing it only a few hours.
Yeah, he has the starter rife and tries to PVP and says the games is broken. I would have liked if he least tried bounty hunting or the trader role. or the co-op missions. yeah free roam pvp sucks it has always sucked. you cant say the game is bad off that.
@@skycap3081 The starter rifle isn't even bad by any means, it's just that the game is heavily biased towards headshots. Once you understand that you can do absolute carnage even with the Varmint Rifle as long as you hit these headshots.
It's also quite curious he didn't showcased bounty hunting or crimes, but i guess he didnt had the 15 gold bars to get the licence
@@Serious_Ludd Hard to judge the online without having played it. you get a map every 5 levels that give you more then enough gold to get bounty hunter.
@@skycap3081 rdo is bad cope harder
@@Ozifio Fine but at least play the game before you come to that decision.
It does feel like I'm angry all the time if get pulled into feuds with random people who think RDO should be a battle royale, get themselves the best weapons, make it their purpose to slaughter people minding their own business. I put on defensive mode and avoid everyone else. There are some absolutely amazingly great folks to hang out with (had a silly time in a moonshine shack yesterday, played around for no reason with someone's beautiful horse that they had left noodling around Valentine), but you have to luck out and find the nice folks with the nice posses. It's still a beautiful place to be out collecting or doing the naturalist thing, but in my heart of hearts I know there needs to be more ways to interact with the world--even just baths and hotel rooms and sleeping in cabins and tents, and roleplaying the heck out of the space--for the nice people to want to stay.
Just an FYI: In RDR2 and RDO theres an aim lock and an aim assist (both of which you can turn off/ tweak in settings). The aim lock is the crazy aim assist you're experiencing and the aim assist is just standard. If you turn the lock off then it will be normal aim assist. You can also turn on free aim which will get rid of both and grant an extra 20xp per kill.
Can't expect a game reviewer to look at the options for a game he claims to play regularly.
@@Dermetsu yeah, the aim lock isn't even in RDO (against players). There's even a card you can equip that disables assists for and against you while using the Dead Eye. Luke was talking out of his ass
@@jack48382 yeah, he does that a ton in this video.
"The low level guns are super weak! And headshots don't even render."
*Gets a headshot with an unclean starting rifle.*
"Well..."
doesn't free aim put you into sessions with free aim only players like in gta?
I loved Red Dead Online. Still occasionally play it because I think it’s a great concept for an online game. I mostly play it for the hunting and whatnot but it’s fun either way. A big problem I noticed was that anytime you would see Rockstar announce dlc or content for it through social media, the comment section would be filled with whiny dicks saying “nobody cares give us GTA 6.” I think that could play a huge role in how much effort a company wants to put in something like this.
Outside of the US, Mexico, some of central and South America, and Australia cowboy culture has never really been a thing.
@@CP-uw4ts I suppose that would be another thing to consider. I've grown up in a western rural area for most of my life so I do find myself overlooking the cultural aspect more than I should.
@@hiltonbates7015 yeah European kids don’t grow with cowboys engrained in their culture nor did cowboys exist in Europe.
@@CP-uw4ts Right. I don't think that takes too much away from the novelty of it however.
@@hiltonbates7015 It doesn’t, but even jez corden(who’s British), said most gen z British kids don’t give a rats ass about anything regarding Americana so it was guaranteed to never do GTAV/GTA online numbers. Gangsters however are universal.
A coworker of mine met her now wife on rdr2 online. She lived in Indiana and now moved here to Wash St. So there’s some good in the mode lol.
It seems Rockstar didn't even know what to do with Red Dead Online which is unfortunate. There's no other big Wild West games out there, especially one with an online mode. Could've had a ton of potential had they dedicated more than bare minimal in terms of support.
I think rdo failure also had to do with Dan houser having a foot out the door. Go watch Darks videos about R* and all the shady shit Sam houser did how R* fucked over Ray liotta and the guy who played CJ
It’s actually so saddening how much they’ve neglected it like can we at least get a 60 FPS boost on consoles it’s ridiculous
Part of the problem with the PVP is the existence of upgrades for the players that, if I remember correctly, make it so that headshots don't actually do any extra damage or make it much harder to lock on to someone. The trade-off is supposed to be that these upgrades only take effect when the player is using dead-eye, but players are able to buy items that give you unlimited dead-eye for a short amount of time and you can just stock up on a bunch of those and basically have infinite dead eye.
It just sucks because I think the core gameplay of Read Dead 2 is so much better than that of GTA V, and yet it isn't the one that received the care that it needed.
The Dead Eye card Slipperly Bastard is very OP. Combined with "insta tonicing" (players who can take tonics so fast that they never actually leave DE to do it) and they become pretty much immune to everything bar arrows or free aim snipes or shotguns really close up. As someone who sucks at sniping and likes to live in the enemies mid-range I hate SB with a passion
@@dansharp2860 bolas and tomahawks are your friends when going up against slippery
@@gonzobandito I prefer the bow so you don't leave yourself open trying to get in close and I like PIB but I also have pretty much stopped playing. There's no point to doing anything anymore.
I just use explosives
GTAO makes billions of dollars because they add cool stuff and heaps of 10 year olds steal there parents credit cards to buy shark cards. RDO makes a lot less because Rockstar never added anything worth spending real money on and the most of the players are adults that don’t mind earning things on there own.
The online mode, to me, was always the antithesis to the Single player's story. It was bizarre, especially at launch.
Luke’s experience was mine on RDO. The single-player experience spoils players (in a good way). You go from interacting with all these NPCs and a lived-in SPM world and no problems buying stuff, to an empty RDO world where oats and pistols are expensive. Maybe RDO should have been a totally different map to avoid the comparison. RDO isn’t even good compared to other MMO RPGs. Not sure why RS even bothered except for a quick money grab.
@@epiphany2927 RDO is way better than the single player. Single player can be played once, for what, a limited amount of hours? Online can be played for months if you want to. Doesn't even compare. I loved the story but the online blew it completely out of the water.
Very well said.
@@TheAbandonedAccount7 craziest thing ever said wtf lmao
@@TheAbandonedAccount7bro 💀
13:02 you can also just have a solo or friends only lobby in GTA online. If RDO had a similar system, folks would play it more
This guy has one of the cleanest setups I've seen on youtube. Well done, man! The production quality looks great, thumbs up for the KEF speakers in the background :D
No, we don't play it as often as we used to, but usually once a week we'll glitch a lobby and 4 to 6 of us still play together.
I love the online mode... during Covid lockdown it was one of the games that my friends and I would play to stay connected. We used the private server hack to keep from running into cheaters / hackers. Every once in a while we'd return to the public servers and instantly get carpet bombed by some guy with a hack menu lol. Then go back to private. We stopped playing after the grinding got repetitive.
This whole situation with RDO just makes me sad, really.
I spent so many hours in that world, met so many nice people and I’ve so many awesome memories.
Just to get totally pooped on in the face by Rockstar.
Sure GTA 6 will surely be good, I have no doubt about that, but that’s not the point.
I will truly miss the world of RDO.
Dear Rockstar: Fuck you guys - sincerely.
I have more time in this game than any other, nearly 4k hours. Almost all of that was online. I didn’t play to stack cash or gold it was all about player interaction. Money is never an issue, i never grind and i still manage to quite literally own everything by playing casually.
Holy moley that's like half a year of playtime
@@calum0123 😂 yeah. Stuck at home during covid, I played this mostly.
what level where you on rdo?
@@vsevolodsolovyev5608 550 something. Honestly i should be way higher, but i spent most of my time fighting players or messing around with friends.
Same here except I loved grinding, all about playing solo for me! Too difficult/impossible to find likeminded people from such a small pool anyway. I think RDO players, especially the obsessives, were of a pretty specific variety of person. Nothing against those persons, just not relatable.
They never even finished the fucking story in RDO. They promised "More to come." and that was the end of it. So much wasted potential, once again GTA Online rears its ugly head. Red Dead Redemption 2 remains my all time favorite game, but solely because of the stellar Singleplayer.
I played RDO for about 100 hours with a friend of mine, and we had a lot of fun. We came up with our own religion that included torching people in order to send them to the phoenix.
My experience with RDR2's online mode was basically trying to grind through what little there was to do while having nearly every activity interrupted by griefers sniping me. Then realizing that all my efforts barely earned me enough to restock the ammo I'd used and keep my weapons in good condition, let alone actually buy anything new.
Underappreciated if it had the love like GTA V gets it would blossom, so much potential and more too add to the mix
My man gets wrecked by Yong using a Springfield rifle (dirt cheap single shot rifle) and a sawed off shotgun ( cheap and absurdly close range) says yong is op smh
Played RDO for a long time, stopped playing not because it's bad, just i was burned out from it. Honestly, I know many will disagree with me, but i think that what's already there in the game is actually pretty decent. I've had fun with many of the aspects the game has to offer, and I know many people as well had the same experience as me. Not many games retains for years thousands of players with hundreds of hours.
However, one of the main issues with what led to the downfall of RDO and players giving up on this game was long before december 2021. With each update that came in, there would always be this feeling that R* could've done much more. For example, with the Bounty Hunter expansion in 2020, a lot of players, including myself, enjoyed a ton the new missions that came with the update, but once you finish doing the missions you end up wondering, "is that everything this update brought?". Even if the new updates wasn't what people were asking, you could see that many players actually enjoyed it. I don't why this happened, there was probably a small team behind RDO and they barely got resources to produce bigger updates, maybe.
And don't come at me with the argument that RDO wasn't profitable. RDR 2 alone sells at least 1 million copies every quarter, and you'd be surprised at how many people buy gold bars. Sure, GTAO is probably the most profitable piece of entertainment of all time, but RDO still was a decent source of revenue. The main problem with RDO is that it never was GTAO
I get all this. I absolutely loved my time with RDO. What I hated was how, and I’m not sure if I’m wording this right - unnecessarily grindy they made certain things feel. For example, the trader role. Hunting can be fun, but it’s made unnecessarily grindy from two aspects. First, getting 3 start pelts was the only way to supply your camp, yet it’s so easy to accidentally knock a 3 start down in grade. Second, we dealt with poor animal spawns for SO long….
Bounties we’re fun and the only true way to earn gold besides the daily challenges, but the payout system was ridiculous with how they incentivized you to take longer with finishing missions. The moonshiner role was fun but they forced you to have the other roles unlocked prior, so you had to grind for more gold or pay real money to access a role you might not have wanted.
You gotta do a crap ton of fishing to extend your max health, which when you weren’t being griefed was a lengthy process altogether.
And the economy - forget expensive guns. The money you needed just to care for and feed your horse, yet you had to buy the damn brush lol.
@@DrewCheech "You gotta do a crap ton of fishing to extend your max health". There are far better ways to max health. Grab a bow and head to Van Horn or Thieves Landing and start killing NPCs. If you get good at headshots then every 100 gets you another .4 gold (every other weapon is 1000). Health will max fast. It's the Dead Eye that takes ages to lvl.
I hate r* for making me fall in love with RDO way more than I ever could have with gtao and then prioritizing content for gtao anyway, knowing full well that RDO was the better game.
I could imagine another reason, why it’s not worthwhile for rockstar to implement a good multiplayer for RDR2.
If it’s really fun, it could cannibalise the GTA MP. 10 million more RDR2 people could mean 8 million less GTA online players.
If my assumption is valid, it would mean, that there is no benefit for rockstar to do this.
this online mode really needed proper roleplaying tools & property management overhauls (aka buying your own property & building EXACTLY what you'd like completely your own way from design to color to aesthetics)
If they did that I'd be spending countless hours on this game
knowing Rockstar, I have little doubt the story of GTA 6 will be great. But the online? Seeing the state of GTA Online, and them completely neglecting/abandoning Red Dead Online....leaves me worried for any online projects Rockstar will have.
God I wish they didn’t give up on this game
They never even really tried honestly. Anthem had more structure and that's saying something.
IMO GTA V is just a better game with more things to and the time period as well the only good thing about RD is the single player.
@@MalikATL strongly disagree
@@MalikATL it’s a 9 year old freakshow.
@@MalikATL the story rdr2 is way better, if rockstar gave a fuck about rdo it would be better, hard to compare online when one actually got regular updates.
My first day with RDO was marvelous. The bar fights alone were a riot. Then suddenly...it faded. Very strange.
RDR2 deserved SP DLC and support, and I can't believe they didn't even attempt it.
Also, for MP they have more than enough ability (and money) to move away from peer to peer online modes to dedicated servers and fix their modder issues.
Red Dead Online is a dangerous game. it’s full of booters, hackers, trolls, manipulators, toxicity, glitches etc. but in my opinion, you can’t judge the game if you haven’t played it for what it’s worth entirely yet. it’s easy to think badly of it if you’re new to it, it’s going to be hard to get up in the game & meet the right group to play it with. but it’s best to actually try and put in real effort before shutting it down yourself.. once you get ahold of things it’ll be easy to make money, to get xp, and to defend yourself. yes, the game desperately need bug fixes, sever fixes, new content or even recycled content, a better community & better communication between R* and the community itself but only playing for a little time; not getting to experience the good and true fun within the game..just doesn’t seem right to judge it so harshly. as silly as it sounds, for many people Rdo & Rdr2/1 saved them, or maybe the people on it.. i don’t know hah.
give it another go, mate. experience it truly. cheers
I had fun with RDO. I got to the point where I maxed out everything and there isn't really anything else I want. I favorite mode is the wave defense and that's locked behind an obnoxious timer like a bad mobile game.
Undead nightmare with single player and online mode would bring this game back
*me working out listening to this video*
luke: "nobody knows i'm gay..."
me: "hol up a minute..."
Idk where everyone is crying about, I've been playing again with a new account and didn't encounter any hackers and I'm now level 42 or something
You forgot to include that too many players online also used the Chronus to mod their controllers (ruining PVP). I used to play this game (A LOT) until PVP became unplayable. The failure of rockstar to stop this led to many communities getting frustrated and walking away in huge numbers.
You don’t need a chronus at all. Just paint black ability.
Red dead online could of been just as popular as GTA online, but Rockstar didn't want it to be
I mean, you can't expect a low level player who barely put any hours into the game to reap the rewards of a player who has put hundreds. You can't join any multiplayer game and expect to come close to winning aginst players who grinded. Just doesn't make sense. Same thing could apply to GTA, strong bias here
I can confirm some players still play RDO despite saying it’s dead rip
I agree with your thoughts.
I played Red Dead Online but couldn't get into it the same way I did with GTA Online.
I’m not excited for GTA 6 especially since Lazlow, Dan Houser left because GTA won’t be the same anymore got a feeling GTA 6 going to have the worst micro transactions from memberships, loot boxes, pay wall content and some type of battle pass system.
I’m a day one player of RDR2 and RDO and to this day I play RDO almost daily and have a very enjoyable experience. It’s not without its many faults but when you tap into what it has to offer its wonderful. I won’t go into a long diatribe as to why but I feel it’s a shame that people are more interested in finding ways to slam it than to try to understand why thousands of players like myself enjoy it so much. It’s not COD, it’s not Fortnite, it’s not RDR2 and it’s not even living up to its own potential… but it is a vast world with tons to do if you lean into it.
Forget that it’s boring bro cool that you still play it but it’s lame
@@marcusbrown4933skill issue
@@EliteTvz bro what? That game is going on 5 years old. It’s boring simple as that, idk what skill issue your talking about.
Rockstar is incredibly stupid for doing this to Red Dead online! If they would have put the same effort in they would have had double the profits. (GTAO & RDO). But I get it, as a business you want to make as much money doing the least amount of work. I'm not mad that one of my favorite games is pretty much being placed on the back burner I'm just very disappointed in a company I grew up with and enjoyed everything they put out.
I felt like they botched the launch of RDO and I never ended up going back. The solitude of single player was all I needed and wanted 🤷♂️ I could see the draw if you have close friends who play the game.... But I don't
The problem with rdo is it was an experiment to see just how greedy they could get with the next iteration. When the beta was a failure in both their financial goals and retaining a player base and they tried to make some good content and we came so close with the start of the roles but they pissed it away, maybe for lack of ideas for future roles and sure you can make houses purchasable but then players will get bored of that interiors in gta online arent anything great
As amazing as gta 5 and red dead 2 were, it’s a shame that they’ve become so money focused with all the online content, and no single player dlc for either game. Both games had such amazing worlds, it would’ve been so cool to get more single player story content.
I know, they’re a big company and they need to make money, but they are doing some scummy things now like not doing free upgrades for the next gen consoles even though they didn’t change much, and releasing a really half baked remake of 3 and the other games from that time.
I really hope 6 is amazing and it probably will be, but I’m not as confident as I once was.
I’ve been watching you for so long, you cutting cause you had a moment of rage is just amazing
Unlike GTA Online, it's really difficult to kick start your professions in RDO without spending real money. Every profession in GTAO is bought with dollars, which can be earned fairly easily, even from day 1 if you have friends with access to heists. Every profession in RDO is bought with Gold Bars which take forever to farm in game, regardless of how many friends you have. If you want to get into the professions in RDO but you don't want to grind through daily challenges every day for a week to unlock each one, you will end up spending real money.
The progression experience in each game is so radically different that they don't even feel like they were made by the same company.
stop inventing, it is not hard to get gold. You can get a role a week if you do all the daily challenges. After completing the tutorial you almost have enough gold to get your first profession.
@@jack48382 fr. played both gtao and rdo and honestly getting your first 15 gold bard in rdo is a much easier task than getting your first million in gtao when all you have are contact missions. both games are a grind but gtao is far worse than rdo
When you think about all the time and resources that went into making RDO; they could have put all of that back into the singe player story with add-in content. At the very least, they could have ported all the horses and clothing etc... to single player but I guess that was too hard for R* to manage.
i have 339 hours in rdr2 for pc. At least 200 of that was from online playing with a buddy. At the time the content was good(coming from no content at all guess so) and we would end up making our own fun a lot of times because of how the game world was and the community weren't dicks to each other like in gta, sometimes i would even turn off my hud and map and just roam around and had a blast. Dam shame what R* did to red dead online oh well guess the next best thing is Wild RP
Played since it came out, level 400 something with more cash and gold then I could spend. I quit like a year ago and no updates since.. so I don’t regret quitting sigh.
bruh speaking the absolute truth about Yong Yea. All dude does us just regurgitate articles he reads on air and gives whatever opinion the internet dictates he must have at that time. He never deviates from mass internet opinion, NEVER. That is what makes me appreciate what Luke does. There are games where the internet does nothing but crap on them but if he sees it different, he isn't afraid to go against the grain. I truly appreciate that because 90% of gaming TH-camrs just regurgitate the same stuff and rarely have a differing viewpoint of current internets opinion.
I'm just glad somebody finally said it because it needed to be said.
Hey listen it sucks, but the single player alone is a legendary creation. I’m happy
Are you expecting to be competitive with few hours in the game vs griefer that's played of probably a year or even more than a week.
"headshots dont exist in this game waah" *doesnt clean his gun at all*
Fax
no offense to this guy but he has no idea what he's talking about this is a very amature-ish break down of the rdr online, as a person who played the online since the beginning, the reason that rockstar abandoned the online isn't because of the economy is terrible and it's not fun,
it's because the economy is too good, it's so good that no one is buying the microtransaction gold.
if you sell a full wagon you get 625$ which takes like a total of 3 hours. if you sell a ready to ship moonshine batch it's around 200$ which takes like 40 mins and the gold you get from daily challenges were so good Rockstar halved the amount you get from it last year because everyone was making too much gold and not buying the gold that rockstar sells.
and on gta online the economy is so terrible that people have to buy cash, it takes along time to make 1 million $ and the best cars and vehicles cost millions a piece. so they keep making content for it because it's a cash cow. red dead online's economy is so genrous compared to gta online that it's not making any money so they abandon it.
Thank you, I thought I was the only one who thought this
To be fair, everything in GTA is also super expensive, and you need to grind hard to get started and to earn enough to even buy a car, same in Red Dead, it's all about the grind. And people seem to enjoy GTA. And speaking of GTA, RDO is super friendly in comparison, I have over 3500+ hours in RDO and can go days without being attacked. In GTA you can't even go minutes.
I think that RDO was always going to be limited by the time period that it was set in. Personally I love the old west setting, but I’d be willing to bet that most people would rather grind for a flying car in GTA online than they would for a horse that’s marginally faster than every other horse.
One aspect I like about RDO is that I began to feel a connection to my starter horse and don't want to grind for a different one, even for a flying horse. I'll grind for better saddle/stirrups/etc. to make him marginally better, but he's, like, my loyal steed who has fallen down cliffs with me all across the map.
I wonder how many people would have loved the time period if it had been used with maximum creativity. For me, if I want to be in a fast and wild city, I can get on a train and meet some friends for lunch. And RDO could have its wild-and-crazy towns as well as it's quiet places, if both were set up well. Not everybody is going to love Stray, for example, but I'd hang out as a cat for a few days doing nothing but hopping around and napping and listening to music. I wish there were more motivation--and sufficient off-the-charts profit--for companies to produce settings that cater to (to put it in simplistic terms) introverts as well as extroverts.
why cant you rob banks or ranch farms for lifestock or a river boat casino. We want to be outlaws not picking up cards and get sprayed in the face for hunting. what if rdo had a heist with setups missions and a finale to rob a bank. Why not put that in the game and then say players are not playing it its a flop.
That is what people have wanted from the start.
I hate this opinion more than any other one. There's truth in it but I absolutely hate it. I vastly prefer the slower pace of RDO to the fast life ridiculousness of GTA, I vastly prefer a living horse with a personality and a bond to a car in those games. Frustrating to no end, I'm like the grandpa that likes to sit outside and sip lemonade and enjoy the weather but all these fuckin kids won't shut the hell up with their loud ass motors in my neighborhood.
"Am I having fun" I asked myself the same question while playing this today. It's a weird game. So many stunning elements and then so many frustrating things happening too. I think maybe if I put 100 hours into RDO it might start to reveal it's greatness. But yeah those first handful of hours are brutal. The KB and mouse keybinds are ridiculous too.
I mean it's your thing what's fun for you but your representation of the game is quite flawed here.
First of all, PvP was always bad in any Rockstar game and it always will be. It's not really the point why people play these games and what makes them stand out.
There is something like "headshots" and you don't need 10 shots with a beginner gun to kill someone. You yourself killed someone with like 3 body shots in your video.
The problem is that you don't hit your targets at all because you don't wait for your aim to steady up.
Next thing is "they snipe you from a distance with the strong autoaim"... thing is autoaim doesn't work with sniper scopes so if they do it with autoaim they do it without the scope and in that case you can do the same to them.
Also complaining about not being on the same level gearwise in a game that is at least meant to be a lightweight rpg is just weird. Of cause they have better weapons, otherwise what would be the point of progressing at all?
If someone makes it their mission to hunt you down you don't have to engage with them... there are plenty of mechanics to give you the option to run away. But if you're triggered like that and keep trying to fight them that's on you :D
The economy is really not that bad anymore. It was at launch but now there are alot of ways to make decent money.
Especially at the beginning you can simply follow the story missions and let those guide you (they don't just end after the intro like you described it) and you'll have a pretty decent amount of money to buy some weapons that i still use in the endgame like the bold action rifle or the pump action shotgun.
Blood Money mission are in no way high production value mission. They were supposed to be but they are not and that's why most of the RDO community was pretty disapointed about that DLC.
On the topic of cheaters it's also a typical Rockstar problem but tbh for a Rockstar game it's pretty good in RDO if you compare it with GTAO.. I play daily atm for at least 1-2 hours, often longer, because a friend just got into the game and in the last 2 weeks i came across 2 cheaters.
There are alot more small points but i think i got my point across.
The game has tons of problems and i'm the first one to complain about it but they are different ones than the misconceptions you gathered about the game.
Maybe you should've checked how accurate your impressions are with someone who actually plays and knows the game so this person could have told you where you're actually right and it's the games fault or in which cases you just didn't get the mechanics right.
I hope this post didn't come across as too hostile or disrespectful.
Usually i like your videos and i know it's just supposed to be your short impressions from looking into it for a short time.
But in this case maybe you should've stated more often that it's just a small impression instead of delivering it like facts about the game when some of them are straight up wrong.
Glad you get it. Poor guy can't take being bad I guess
omg finally this video was making me angry, he was complaining about literally being a low level, we all started somewhere does he think the game should be different just for him!!? he was just terrible at rdr2 and was complaining about it lol
I started online a month ago, I’m really enjoying it but I have bought gold bars twice for better weapons etc as I kept getting so frustrated! Definitely shouldn’t have given in but bounty hunter is a really good role for new players, if you do daily challenges to earn gold bars to buy this and free roam missions kinda helps, you can just grind the missions for money and gold bars but I guess it does get boring after awhile too..
I've put probably 40-50 hours into online and I had a lot of fun because I was playing with 2-4 other people 80% of the time. Headshots kill 100% of the time unless they have 1 specific build meant to survive them. I didn't have the whole "These guys are fucking me because of what they have" moment. After playing the story I was so used to the combat that I was never really at a disadvantage. Get good bro. Aim assist is strong but everyone has it equally. Just buy the bolt action rifle. Its cheap and one of the best options. Right now if a new player loads into gta online they'll get absolutely ran by oppressors and laser tanks and all kinds of op garbage that costs $2+ mil and isn't fun to use but they're forced to buy them in order to compete.
he doesnt even understand the ability card system and thinks you cant headshot lmao
Luke, I normally enjoy your content. But this is a pretty rough take. Playing through the intro and the first series of story missions explains and teaches you how to play properly, which in this video, you are not.
The point of RDO is not to get locked into repetitive shoutouts with comparatively over-leveled opponents, get mad and then blame the game or your weapons.
The weapons you start out with are adequate and are sometimes used by high level players. Not as much the cattleman, but I’ve seen players over level 200, using the carbine.
It’s not the weapons. It’s that instead of the story, you’re focusing on fighting griefers. You’re not using deadeye and you even said “there’s no headshots”. You say there’s nothing to do, then spend 5 minutes listing off all the different missions, roles and multiplayer matches. Come on, man.
Did someone pay you for this video?
Love getting the new GTAV: Criminal Enterprises trailer before watching this
"RDO didn't die, it was MURDERED."
The reason I left this shit was because I just kept getting murdered by other players when I was just trying to do missions. I remember playing the shit out of the first game's online and a big reason was because I could set my own private session.
i always say never be too hyped on a new game thats not out yet always go into the new game with very low expectations so that when you finally get your hands on it and play it for the very first time it blows your mind out of the world. and then when u have played it for a few days then start working out if your expectations have been blown out of the water or not.
Your UI point is spot on I tried to get in to online a little over a year ago and had no idea what to do after like 2 hours
No undead nightmare and that hurts i dont think of Rockstar the same anymore. I hated the aiming in rdr2 in the story it makes sense I guess quick gunslinger stuff but not online.
They just need to make RDRO for mobile then nobody will stop playing when they get pissed off. They will "intelligently" decide to swipe instead.
If you don't want to get shot, just use defensive mode. Problem solved.
Do you expect to walk on to a game with people that have put years in to it and not get your ass kicked? I didn’t. The joy was when I started kicking their asses. It felt earned. Put yourself in the “defensive mode” they provide, so people can’t fuck with you so easy and grind, remember grinding? Before games were tailored to the “participation award” generation. When you feel lucky, take defensive mode off and have a pop. It’s an online game with RPG elements and a levelling system. GTA online is far worse for high level players fucking over noobs.
Having watched all this video, it’s a little embarrassing.
Man you honestly didn’t give the game a chance speaking as someone who plays regularly it’s all about the journey from novice to wild West legend.
very true his opinion on rdr online is such a biased one.
I think an ‘adopt a low level’ concept could work to help new players learn more about RDR Online… ability cards trip people up consistently, with many guides on-line being outright incorrect or being compiled by players who can’t PVP to begin with…
I have a few characters and am currently bringing one up through the ranks and honestly, the issue for me is that it’s too easy to get above rank 100 and have everything I ‘need’ in the game.
Ultimately R* haven’t got their economy or rank rewards system sorted - so the only people buying anything with real money are the level 10’s (if they make it that far)