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It's hilarious that the Java edition is limited to PCs when the programming language Java is meant to enable a cross platform programming environment and the bedrock edition is written in C++ which requires platform specific compilation.
C++ is just the better language as far as optimization goes and please do keep in mind Java does not function on consoles
On PC the Java edition is less limited, as Bedrock only runs on Windows 10, while Java also runs on older Windows, MacOS & Linux.
@@MiyukiLily is it like the console for gaming or console to put codes in like command prompt?
@@GimOAI meant gaming consoles lmao
@@tirex3673 im assuming you made a typo but bedrock runs on all supported minecraft platforms except Java
I call the Java Edition "Mojang's Minecraft" and Bedrock Edition "Microsoft's Minecraft".
And that’s true. Real Minecraft versus micro transactions.
Doesn't make sense. Bedrock was released way before Microsoft has even bought mojang. The only microsoft versions are the Xbox One and PS4 ports. Bedrock was still made by mojang
@@REALMARCHINADER Yeah, of course it was initially created and coded by mojang pre acquisition. If I remember correctly, most of the microsoft side of mojang (like out of washington) write the code for bedrock now. They only did all the micro transactions and other useless bug filled changes and features post microsoft acquisition therefore in my opinion, the game turned into microsoft's minecraft.
@@Marioiscool246 It didn't turn into microsofts minecraft because of microtransactions. Microtransactions was brought into bedrock because of the crossplay update. They have to keep to support for the console edition that can't get custom skins. For Pocket and Windows 10 you can still get all your free texture, skins, and mods
@@REALMARCHINADER Lol you have your stuff backwards. Microsoft did the better together crossplay bedrock, while mojang did some of the specific console versions.
I grew up on bedrock and was always under the impression that java was unanimously understood as the superior version
it is
It is.
It was
@@whoknows4077 and it still is
@@Pleshie there are barely any differences anymore, it’s up to opinion now.
We can all agree the Bedrock Wither is an absolute menace.
Nah
@imanem9244 I lost my world because of this method lol. he escaped and destroyed a bunch of end stone blocks, causing INSANE amounts of lag, making the end inaccessible
It has the same health as the wither
No
I killed 2 at the same time
Putting “Java Edition” under the name of the Java Edition and removing “Bedrock Edition” under the name of the Bedrock Edition is what really sent me over the edge.
(Edit): for the people who keep saying "well actually Bedrock isn't a knockoff of Java": I know that. Stop trying to tell me that. I'm just saying it feels and looks like a knockoff.
yeah same
Literally makes no difference you simpletons
@@tobysheridan5252 Java came first, it is "minecraft" bedrock is a remake therefore it shouldn't be marketed as "minecraft"
You're the simpleton who doesn't understand Microsoft and their strategies, go look at what they did with DR DOS to get a taste.
Why would the Java edition have the special feature of just being "Minecraft" instead of "Minecraft: Java Edition"?
Edit: I mean that both editions could be "Minecraft: Java edition" and "Minecraft: Bedrock edition", why would 1 edition have the special feature to be just "Minecraft"? It would just make even more debates over which edition is better. In my opinion no edition should have the feature to just be "Minecraft".
I really hate that they say "We are working in parity between versions", and then 20 minutes later they add another feature exclusive for one of the two editions. That's what i really hate about the game right now
They’re probably never going to bridge the gap. There are so many micro transactions that would be free if parity for java were fully implemented(or even worse, java features would become paid features)
@@yoshidude64595 What? There is not, and has never been cost for most mods or any features as you can always download content outside of the marketplace. What do you mean?
@@NoName-yd9fi If you're on PC or mobile.
@@realPurpleOrb You are already free to download mods even on mobile and PC for bedrock. Stop making things up. Yes, microsoft is greedy. But parity issues are completely separate from monetization. Criticize them for the right reasons.
@@NoName-yd9fi Yeah I think I have my custom skin on bedrock so I figured mods and maps are downloadable and there isn't anything against that. But why would a Modder make a free mod? Also it's very un-user-friendly proccess for converting free java maps to bedrock and the other way around. But it's not any more difficult than installing mods on Java. Perhaps the java community has a better knack for modding at this point which is why the divide is large.
As a fan of both versions, I am proud to announce that I prefer the Legacy version.
That's kinda ass
Now this is the correct answer
Not an opinion just straight facts
@@Flex_seal😦😦
yup, F*** bedrock edition had to replace the legacy
The fact that the Legacy Console Edition and Java Edition have similar features such as Redstone and customizable superflat worlds are my two favourite versions of the game
Bedrock is trash. Legacy edition felt like console Java but Java edition nothing beats
@@K3Nbedrock is better for me because Im going to be honest i hate java it’s performance runs like a tortoise on a treadmill
@@FOG799 nah but that not Java it’s self that’s just the pc ur using however bedrock generally has issues no matter what pc u use
@@K3Nthat’s not even true bro you’re obviously 12, Bedrock can run at 40 chunk render distance at 60+ fps. Java can’t. Even with a sweet pc.
@@Steademans bro I’m 17 and I just fucking said bedrock has many bugs and Java doesn’t I SAID JAVA IS BETTER you just need a good pc however if you had a good pc bedrock is still buggy as it’s just the game
Don’t bring up fps I didn’t say we can’t run the game I said it has bugs and in general ain’t the better game
The Bedrock vs Java debate is only a taste of what it is like being from the Balkans.
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Bro I’m hollering 😭
@@detdvr4498 :)) you guys :))
I from there and I can agree
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Mojang is serious about not diverging the games further as anything new introduced since 1.15 that is different across both versions is considered a high priority bug. But Mojang really needs to make a dedicated update to solve the parity problems created in the past due to lack of coordination before 1.15
But even after 1.15 how hard is it for the two Dev teams to *actually talk to each other* and make things the same??
Like come on. You're adding a brand new feature to both games at the same time. Just make them the same.
@@Chris_Cross Isn't that exactly what they are doing now? They are infact making the new features 100% same and thats the whole point of the 'high priority, parity bugs'
@@UltraAryan10 lol I wish that was correct.
But that's not even remotely true. Even with brand new features added with the latest update, 1.17, there are differences between Java and Bedrock.
They do fix parity issues but making updates probably takes up most of their time. If they made a parity update which doesn't really add anything "new," then it'd probably be a 1.18.1 or smth like that since fixing inconsistencies doesn't really make for a major release.
@@dashinking That's not what I'm saying. Obviously they should release parity fixes in conjunction with larger features.
What I'm saying is when Java and Bedrock are developing brand new features in tandem (at the same time) then it's really not hard to make features the same.
I've been playing bedrock since it came out and I think I talk for a lot of people when I say many of us bedrock players, hate our own version because we can't have mods. Also, many good farms are only functional in java. The thing is that, in those aspects (among many others) we're just screwed. And however, we can't just buy a pc and buy java edition. It's not that easy.
You can get a pc for the same price of a ps5
@@pwrsocketand if you were gifted a console? Or you were in a better financial situation then than now? What if you play on phone? Or your console was simply handed down to you, games and all? Or you were given Bedrock edition (buying Java comes with Bedrock but not vice versa.) What if all of your friends don't have PCs and you can't afford to buy one for each of them? Do you expect them to abandon multiplayer? I was lucky enough to buy a PC and thought I'd abandon Bedrock once and for all, I played Java and it was great, but it took me a week to give up on it because I was alone and friendless. Every one of those what ifs applies to one of my friends and so it's not as easy to leave as you think. Of course I could make new friends, but I'm autistic and an introvert and would so rather die than meet new people. Leaving Bedrock means leaving your community.
@@happy9099How are they making a strawman here?? They’re describing their lived experience and several circumstances that would lead to a similar outcome. All of the things they listed are plausible if you actually take a second to read it. I don’t think you know what strawman means.
@@happy9099 The Flying Spaget's comment is not a strawman at all. They did not misconstrue the other argument, and they refuted the opposing argument directly by providing reasons as to why they did not switch to Java. Their massive block of "hypotheticals" strongly refutes the point. Alandm's solution of buying a pc simply doesn't work because it is more than just hardware that is the limitation.
Your comment contains the fallacy fallacy. You assumed that their comment is false because you believe there is a fallacy in it. Additionally, you didn't refute the opposing argument through counter evidence and reasoning at all. You only pointed out what you think is wrong without explanation; how are they guilt tripping? In fact, you made the strawman argument by reducing the opposing argument to "guilt tripping" and "hypotheticals" and taking it down that way.
@@theflyingspaget a computer is a better product than a gaming console anyways you can just make new friends on the java servers, i dont see the problem
I always played on Java, because that's what I started playing on and I like to use mods. I recently started playing Bedrock so I can play with my niece and I was surprised by how different it is. I LOATHE that I can't carry a crossbow in my off-hand.
Deal with it, it's not the end of the world because you can't carry crossbows in the off hand but i think they sould add that in, it would be a good quality of life change and also very cool, imagine being in a cave and shouting arrows at mobs with both hands, it would be so cool but it's not the end of the world because it isn't in bedrock
My theory is that we only can't put cool stuff in offhand because of those non-split touch controls on phones, with those controls, items like the crossbow in your offhand would make you unable to break blocks (or even use it)
@@chrisk6637 Deal with it java negs no diff deal with it your dad left ya.
@@chrisk6637 ''cool'' I smell some cap.
@@Misterd12llwell perhaps you should get your nose checked if your smelling things in comments
At the end of the day both versions can agree and say, "Hey, at least we don't play education edition."
Yes (my friends does, but he also watches "herobrine's life 1 hour remix *Not clickbait* 😱😱😱
So maybe not the best example (plus he just uses creative mode to get netherite and still wonders why edu doesn't have 1.19 yet)
too bad education edition is a fork of bedrock
"don't make fun of education edition!" XD
whats wrong with education edition?
Personally me and almost everyone I know IRL (we're in our late teens) plays Java edition, simply because that's the version we all played when we were little kids - back when there was no Bedrock edition. I suspect there's probably a considerable difference in the average age of Java players vs Bedrock players for this reason.
yes I'm 19 and I know noone who plays Bedrock edition
@@gubblfisch350 same, i remmber the first time i played it it felt like pocket edition
@@gubblfisch350 You'd be in the exact age demographic who would be playing bedrock though? You were 8-9 when it released. So you'd just got your first phone/smart device and got to school were you would be pressured to play games with kids the same age as you.
I mean from what i hear the mods are way worse on bedrock if they even exist and ye also started out in alpha java edition
not sure if that's true. bedrock edition is just console version and the console version came out in like 2012. that was nearly 9 years ago
I love how easy it is to play with friends in bedrock
Thats one of the only advantages of Bedrock imo. I can't count how many times I've tried to play with my friends on a private server together and it being such a hassle. "Open to LAN" has never worked in my house, probably due to router/firewall settings. In Bedrock its as easy as opening the Friends tab
True, but it makes it incredibly difficult or infuriating for Java players who want to play with friends (as the video described). So far everyone that I meet in person plays bedrock, making the my isolation a much bigger problem.
Honestly the only good thing about bedrock
@@bottledpoethere is a mod called Essentials that allows you to play with friends without using realms which bridges the gap except that you cant cross platform of course.
So true, I wish Java had this awesome feature that 99% of all other games had.
one of the things i hate most about the java/bedrock divide is mojang removed features from java when they were attempting to convert everyone, so they would see java getting worse and jump ship
What I hate is that these two editions are obviously meant to be different and yet they are still trying to convince us that they strive for full parity.
every update they are getting closer
HONESTLY, the Perfect version of Minecraft would have a Bedrock as a base for the cross platform and optimization, but taking the best features from both versions (I think mostly the java features since it's the OG version) and then removing the other version completely. Of course that's all easier said than done and making servers and mods all be the same and compatible to said imaginary version of the game would be too damn hard so... at this rate there's not gonna be any parity whatsoever and it's sad :(
@@LovePoison23443well said
@@LovePoison23443 it’d be hard to hit for everyone, but same.
So many times the wiki either makes me cheer or groan for having played bedrock edition.
@@LovePoison23443 yes
how Microsoft sees bedrock edition is like how parents see the youngest sibling
lmao true
As a bedrock player... yea
As someone who likes to play on switch, that's so far from the truth.
I CAN NEVER LOG INTO MY MICROSOFT ACCOUNT EVER. So therefore it sucks most of the time. qmq
because it is technically their youngest sibling XD (and their money maker, and the version that runs on their own console)
@@_real_man no i know microsoft is the issue, but bro i love switch Minecraft but it has so many problems
As a Bedrock player I had that same "uncanny valley" feeling when I tried playing on Java. I wanted to play in Java because of the TNT duping and all the cool stuff I could do with it, but the gap of differences was too wide to cross and I returned to the version I was comfortable with.
To be completely honest, I always thought that the Java edition was seen as the main version and not the other way around. Whenever I'd search something, I'd always specify it was for the Bedrock edition, which I believed to be "secondary".
Thanks i view it that same 90% of content creaters produced content for java editions if you look deeper.
I think that Microsoft wants Bedrock to be the the main version since it’s the money maker but online most Minecraft content creators use Java because of it’s freedom of customization; data packs, mods, resource packs, etc. and obviously it’s the original base of minecraft, so it is basically the “classic” edition
online its very much the main version still. most youtubers play java and the online community often prefer it. but in player count and officially bedrock is the "main" version, microsoft pushes it hard
bedrock is trash piece of garbage
No😊@@MegaGames-df8tr
Community wise, this is clear cut: Google a mob Farm for anything, search up a Minecraft questions, google a Tutorial or watch a building video, you'll always notice the same thing: They're always first about java, and then, after a lot of java videos, there are some Bedrock videos. On the wiki, everything is explained for java with annotations for bedrock. This is just because today, the actual active and vocal Minecraft community are mostly java users. I wouldn't say that Bedrock is necessarily the one with a smaller player base, but the player base is by far younger and less active in the community.
10:36 You can tell that the difference list starts getting more intense at this point.
"Villagers sell different things..."
how can that matter is my question?
as the list of what villagers can trade is V E R Y long
@@grimmsoul3096 Well the meta on different servers is different because people get different items way easier
@@kelpdock8913 well i think some servers have no "META" limit
@@grimmsoul3096 metas are techniques that people use, basically, if that’s what you’re asking. For example, speed-bridging for getting across gaps quickly, iron golems farming for iron, and villager trading to get massive amounts of items.
Outside of Minecraft it’d be things like playing certain card combos and finding other combos to counteract them. On TH-cam, putting yourself making a 😱 face on your thumbnail would be a meta.
Yeah and their wares are better on Java.
Retro, you're the best. Also, do a "RAGE SWITCH: The Glow Squid Debate" video.
There is a nonzero possibility that RAGE SWITCH becomes a series
@@RetroGamingNow Rage Switch: Is Dungeons Canon? will never happen. Right?
@@RetroGamingNow If there's enough fan support for it, then will it be?? :D
@@strangerson712 Dungeons isn't canon, I believe. I'm pretty sure you can find the answer to that, via the official Minecraft wikipedia.
@@Vandicoup I would like to see that, I have seen multiple things saying it is and have yet to see something indicate otherwise. If you find it, please let me know.
If Java could just be as fast as Bedrock and push furnaces, chests, etc...and if Bedrock could get Java's Redstone a lot of people would be happy
what do you mean by java redstone? They can't bring quasi-connectivity because it was originally a bug
@@hivijivibedrock redstone has rng
Only render distance and fps are faster on bedrock
@@staanislawyeah the game its self runs alright but all the UI and game features, server lag etc run like shite
@@Archman155 i never saw any lag in ui , most servers run pretty well i think it is your network connection
I really dont care what version people play, you're having fun and not harming people, good continue to do that
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@@hankgaming3 the only only time I see this pair of emojis not relating to homophobia
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@@rabbiyosef6127 gem
For me it's mainly the microtransactions that makes be hate the bedrock version, it really feels like a big middle finger to the self expression and creativity that the game stands for. Especially because you can pixel by pixel make your own skin on the Java version. No issues with people who play the other version though, I do own both. My other main issue is with Microsoft's censorship on the bedrock version where they straight up admitted they can monitor your conversations on any server and ban you from the multiplayer entirely if you say the wrong things.
The in-game currency is kinda annoying. I wish you could get minecoins for completing some achievements on bedrock :/
As for the skins, there are websites where you can make skins pixel-by-pixel and import them to bedrock.
@@justarandomhumanlol3915 Oh really? I did not know there were ways to import them to bedrock, that's good to know
@@RazzleTheRed1 You’d need to download it and import it into your photo album if you’re on mobile. I don’t know about other devices though
@@RazzleTheRed1 you can make your own skins even in pixlr lmao
Creating texture packs/skins and import them is very easy on bedrock
I've only played the console version of Bedrock so never saw that option, also that doesn't dispute what I said about microtransactions
"There hasn't been a true commitment to parity"
I'm glad that Mojang started to prove the other way around with seed parity
I'm incredibly impressed with all the work that they did with seed parity in the 1.18 update, and I think everyone really appreciates it. What's hilarious about it though, is that there are still plenty of seeds on Java that won't work in Bedrock due to the 32-bit seeds in Bedrock and 64-bit seeds in Java.
@@jeremyzabel2923 Welp, they did what they could to make it as on-par as possible, but I think changing to a 64-bit would hit mobile players too hard, since some older phones are ARM32 based and wouldn't be able to handle 64-bit integers (Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still an apprentice in computer logic)
@@StarlieW yeah I'm not going to knock what they accomplished, I love what they did. Some people are just unaware of the limitation to the seed parity
@@StarlieW (here to correct you, hello :D) 32-bit platforms can handle 64-bit integers perfectly fine. If there is an architectural concern, it would be the increased memory bandwidth used by handling 64-bit integers (even on a 64-bit system, 32-bit numbers are still mostly better for performance). But for world seeds? It should be a negligible impact on performance (practically a non issue).
@@StarlieW I think they shoulda been willing to make an update for newer phones because at this point most phones are 64 bit. The nether update kicked off many old phones so they could do it again
finishing a video from this channel feels so satisfying
Honestly they should just make a parity update that solves a LOT of the parity issues. Seriously, at this rate it should be top of their priority list.
The one thing I would love to have in the legacy version is the cauldrons' use for potions. The brewing stand stuff works so weirdly, and cauldrons fit the feeling of potions and witches better, I think. Also fallen trees is kind of nice. Besides that, Java just has so many nicer features
Me who has both editions:
I’m playing both sides, so that i always come out on top.
“He’s too dangerous to be left alive!”
Me too : )
How tricky is it when you switch between them? Do things feel kinda wrong for a little bit until you readjust, or do you get used to it? I've only ever played java and I feel like the redstone differences would mess with me a lot if I hopped back and forth.
@@SILVERF0X13 e
They are the same, it’s a video game for crying out loud who cares
I like this a lot. As someone who was a kid when Minecraft came out and wasn’t to impressed, and now as someone who plays bedrock on my switch… I really feel the emotional connection to your worlds and builds. I appreciate it now that I’m older, but really feel sad that I can’t play with any of my friends on Java. Just to show them what I’ve done, seen and made.
i believe you can convert bedrock worlds to java! even if you play on bedrock it's not impossible to let them see your worlds :-)
@@slimelauncher4324 You can even do crossplay with server plugins!
Making a java server on your computer isn't too awfully bad if you only have a couple friends you wanna play with.
I’ll have to look into this! Thank you guys for the advice!!
I started playing minecraft on java, but lost the abilaty to play. Thin I started to play on bedrock, I'm hapy that I have played on bothe java and bedrock, I made friends playing minecraft, and minecraft has helped me create, build, make friends, meat friends, and so much more. Java and bedrock may be difrent, but minecraft is minecraft. There may be litlle querks to bothe java and bedrock. I am having a hard time saying this, I'm having a hard time pselling this, so... please d'not... kill me for... the spelling :) from Daffie :)
Microsoft will NEVER catch me buying a realm or paying to host a server. Java supremacy
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As a guy who played bedrock all his life and finally switched to Java just the other day I can say it does feel uncanny
Do you like it better? Or is it worse?
@@bottledpoe like there are something that I like about java more the bedrock like hardcore and the servers and the game mechanics like the villagers bedrock does have a more diverse world where trees can change to white one if it starts snowing or how easier to use leads with boats, I cant say which one is better because of preference, I could want to have one life or I could want my sword to be just as fast as my axe in speed hitting or not, so to me there both equally good.
bedrock sucks
^^^this. i played bedrock my whole life because when i first got minecraft i couldn’t afford pc edition and pocket edition was the cheapest. because of that i grew up on bedrock and i also tried playing java just the other day, and it definitely feels uncanny.
@@MegaGames-df8tryou suck
For me, there's only one difference that makes me favor java over bedrock: Microtransactions. I refuse to pay for stuff on bedrock version when i can get that same content for free on java. The situation is similar to Fallout, why would anyone pay for mods through creation club when modders have been offering those same mods for free through nexus forever now? It makes no sense at all.
Because who's to say all that free labour would go into that game at all? You are assuming those same mods would exist but they could just as easily not exist.
While that's true and java mods are definitely waaaay better. You can get mods from the internet still on bedrock.
@@captnjayce I'm using mod here to mean more generally a modification to the base game so a dlc would qualify. Being pedantic about my choice of words while ignoring my entire point makes me not want to engage but I'll dumb it down for you.
I'm saying: You shouldn't assume the work that has gone into making these modifications to the base game would exist without the funding achieved by monetizing them. I'm not saying they definitively wont exist. I'm just saying it's pretty entitled to think that someone will make funny hats and shiny armors for your game on their free time.
for me its the inventory arrangement. its harder for me to move things because i can only click and dragging items instead of clicking a hotkey to move it. i have other reasons but they are more opinion based, not a genuine lack of ability to do something that makes more convenient. an example of an opinion-oriented thing is knockback. i dont like the knockback system on bedrock, but others who have played on bedrock for a while would feel the same about java knockback. i played on pocket edition for 5 years straight and it took me months to fully transition. obviously the microtransactions are worse but im always obsessing over good inventory management so its hard for me.
@@ruukinen Well, except I can absolutely assume those mods would exist without funding... because they already do in games like skyrim and fallout. Have you been on nexus mods at all? Most people creating mods do it as a hobby, not a job. Some accept donations, sure, but none of the mods offered for those games are paid mods. Except, of course, in creation club, which is exactly what i mentioned in my original post, so....
I do genuinely think that the name change is the big problem here. By doing this, they are presenting the mobile port of Minecraft, a fundamentally different game, as the "real" Minecraft. And while people who played before this change might disagree, think about it... if you knew nothing about the game, and saw "Minecraft" and "Minecraft: Java Edition" on the game... wouldn't you think that the one without the subtitle was the main game, and the other one was a weird special version? Tons of kids and parents definitely think that now. Also, the renaming situation DIRECTLY pits Bedrock against Java, because before the name change, everyone (including Bedrock players) just accepted that Bedrock was a console and mobile port, and so there was no reason to compare the two versions. With the rename, now Bedrock is "THE" Minecraft, so comparisons are inherently invited, if not encouraged. And thus, thanks to Mojang slacking on the parity problems over the last few years, the games being fundamentally different and incompatible cause conflict.
TL;DR they should've either left Bedrock with a subtitle and Java without, or given both a subtitle. Either would've avoided this debate.
Exactly what I'm thinking, they should make them equal in that reguard.
There is another option
Rename Java as the Corect/Based version and Bedrock as Wrong/Cringe version
@@Alexander99602 I agree that bedrock is worse but it doesn't really matter cus people still enjoy it. This would just cause more problems, to fix it we need equality not inequality in the opposite direction.
@@redshift739 yea, but I was kidding tho, ofc we need equality
But damn this debate can be funny and stupid at times
@@redshift739 bedrock is more for the casuals who just want minecraft and not 70 million gold per second farms (figure of speech btw). So rlly java players shouldnt be saying 'yOu cAn'T mAkE fArMs oN bEdRoCk eDiTiOn."
It really is odd how people will attack somebody for playing a certain edition of minecraft. I was called some names including "Poor", "Peasant", and a "Worthless Guttersnipe" because I played Bedrock and said I could afford a computer for Java. Until that point I didn't know there was classism in the minecraft community
well at least you ended up with the real version of minecraft
PCs are cheaper than consoles.
@@F_Du_Seanot everyone plays on console and not everyone who plays on console bought their console, also being cheaper doesnt mean its cheap, a house is cheaper than a mansion, does it mean anyone can buy a house?
@@rabbiyosef6127 You are not helping the classist issues lmao
I can’t afford a good PC for Java either. It’s annoying when Java players put down Bedrock players for playing the inferior version, since not all of us really have a choice. I play on Xbox One and like the fact that it’s at least up to date, unlike the 360 and PS3 editions.
It's comparing "ball of code being held in shape by duct tape" to "ball of code intended to replace the one being held in shape by duct tape but ended up being held in shape by duct tape itself"
Are we not gonna talk about how the bedrock edition completely replaced the legacy console editions of minecraft after years of hard work from 4J studios and all the memories that came with it. No one can say bedrock is better than the console edition.
True, the console editions were way better than bedrock
I played the ps3 and later ps4 editions. Bedrock's multi-platform multi-player is genuinely nice, and I'm glad to have the option, but the lack of customizability sucks.
Tho I'm not personally privy to what technical differences there are from Java to the console versions, I'd be fascinated to find out
I miss those legacy console versions. They didn't require premium services for multiplayer.
@@jaceybella1267 don’t worry about 4J I guarantee you they all got really far with that project on their resume. To this day I have no idea how they got minecraft on a 360 WITH SPLIT SCREEN
@@TheFloodFourm and split screen no longer exists unless you sign in :/
I really like the way you did this video. So many others have tried to do videos on this subject but they always but a lot of their own bias into it. Its refreshing to see someone just state the facts instead of just saying "BeDrOcK iS BaD!11!!1" or "JAvA sUcKs aNd HeREs WhY"
I really wanted to approach it from a different perspective, since the straight-up debate has been done do much
As a guy who has both versions I can say that both are good in they're own way
@@mihaelagabrielaoancea9309 really you have both together
@@witherheart54 well I have java on my bad computer and bedrock on phone
@@mihaelagabrielaoancea9309 You can dowlowd java in a new computer. If it has the same Microsoft acount. Since it may be a nightmere to play it on a bad computer.
This video is really well made!
the arguement he puts at 14:33 makes sense. Literally all my friends play bedrock (including me) despite us all having pc's.
I feel like there is very poor communication between the Java and Bedrock dev teams. This would explain some of the reason even brand new features aren't the same between versions.
You’re assuming it’s unintentional. If they actually merged the versions, one of the teams would be let go. Why would they push for unification under those circumstances.
@@z0mb1e564 It could be intentional for some reason (or just bad management), but an effort could be made to align features between the versions while still developing both side-by-side.
I'd speculate that one reason they'd be hesitant to align the versions is because of how much more effort it'd be to balance two games compared to one... Like the video mentioned, having diff durability values for the same item between the two versions seems ludicrous out of context, but it could be that way because the value is balanced based on many other values for its respective version. If each version is balanced on small differences, the differences add up, and it just becomes too much of a monster to try to reconcile if you wanted to align the versions together. Just my 2 cents, complete speculation...
@@z0mb1e564 Definitely wouldnt be let go, considering they're still different languages :V
not only they aren't the same, they aren't the same in the most weird ways like recipes, numerical values (e.g. how many hp does a mob have), loot tables, i.e. "configuration". These differences add _NO_ value to the game, only confusion and more work for fine people that maintain minecraft wiki
in the video author says about it, but these minor differences seemingly have no reason to exist and would probably take minutes to fix
@@z0mb1e564as a developer (not of Minecraft I will add), the people who define the details are product owners, and not developers themselves. So, it would most definitely be unintentional, unless for some ridiculous reason every single product owner was in on some big conspiracy.
When I was younger I would wake up, get on my laptop and play Java. Later in the day I would go to my friends house and we would play split screen on their xbox. At night I would play pocket edition on my ipad so I didn’t get caught awake. So because of this years later I still like all versions, I’m not completely loyal to one or the other I enjoy playing both regularly
That's true. I like both versions, but I prefer bedrock edition just because of the PvP system and so my friend can join my world. Both are unique in their own ways. I'd say the people who get the most benefit out of Java are the ones with more powerful devices.
I am also in a similar boat here. I grew up loving the bedrock version and didn't even know about Java. When I got itroduced to Java, I ended up preferring it because of how it's redstone works. I really don't like the fact that the debate exists, and also don't want the two versions to become the same. I love both the versions for different reasons, and would feel like a game was taken away from me if both versions became one.
What about minetest though.
this is the ultimate gigachad grindset
honestly, i dont consider legacy console and pe the same thing as bedrock, bedrock is specifically from better together onward, since a lot of (largely profit focused) changes were made around that time and generally microsoft started taking the lead more
i was personally never a big fan of the legacy console editions (having mainly played xbox one edition for 2 years),
always just felt watered down and incomplete compared to java (like redstone which still acts unpredictably at times even today), now add skins and resource packs costing actual real world money and my friends all playing java and yea, i didnt like it, but it was a hell of a lot better than now with the new store and minecoins, literally like a free mobile game
It’s the equivalent of
Minecraft Java=steam
Minecraft Bedrock=epic games store
ha lol, the only reasons to use epic games is for Fortnite and Unreal Engine, just like using Bedrock to beat the shit out of noob mobile players in PVP
I remember back in the day before there was buckets in survival mode in MCPE, i added aquaducts into my finite world finding a water source near the top of a mountain and used that to make a mob grinder. so much nostalgia thinking about that world
I’m gonna die if next April fools, they switch the names of the editions.
Same
that's just....AHHHHHHHHH
Don't give them any ideas
@@nishthedude same lol
Minecraft Poisonous Potato Edition
after spending so much time on one of the versions, playing the other just feels like a minecraft clone, wether you started on java or bedrock
I can relate, I am a Bedrock Edition player, and playing Minecraft Java weirdly feels like a knock off of the game.
@@rayluvscats i played mostly legacy but as soon as i got java i was never turning back, the mental experience was superior
@@vagabond8201 Oh my god I also started on console edition, specifically WiiU edition. I remember Christmas 2016 when I unwrapped my present and it was Minecraft WiiU edition, I was so happy and I was jumping all over the place xD. Once I started playing I couldn’t stop and would stay the whole weekend playing Minecraft with my Best friend, online! Good times. Then one day all Minecraft console editions stopped receiving updates, except ps4 Edition for some goddamn reason (last version 1.13) and I was very sad, I stopped playing for a while, Christmas 2020 I got the Xbox series X and after like 1 month I IMMEDIATELY bought The Minecraft Bedrock Edition disc for only 20 bucks at a store! And since that day I have become a bedrock player. If one day I will have a PC, I will play Bedrock Edition.
The End. lol
@@rayluvscats no offence but i like java more
Can't relate. Started on xbox 360 for many years, played on pocket edition too. Before 360 became legacy and pocket became bedrock. I switched to PC. Been on PC since 1.6. Nothing is wrong with the other versions. Java is just better because mods
best thing to do before locking version: 1 if your new try one version for about 3 - 5 days and go to the other and try for 3 - 5 days and whichever you like more play that one. hope this helps newer players :D !
I think it's crucial to stay civil and collected during these debates. That's how I try to go about them. They just get too heated sometimes. I also think it's important to have an unbiased viewpoints, but it's the internet. Next to nobody is unbiased.
My personal opinion? I think both versions have pros and cons. Bedrock has easy multiplayer and a bunch of great QoL, but the microtransactions are pretty scummy (especially considering the cut Microsoft takes) and the experience doesn't feel as smooth as Java in my opinion. Java feels smoother (again, in my opinion) and has easier mods as well as abundant things to do (farms, machines, etc.) that Bedrock may not have simply due to the codebases processing things differently but multiplayer is either LAN or servers so it isn't as easy and lacks some nice-to-haves from Bedrock.
These pro-con lists are extensive, and for me Java's pros outweigh the cons more than Bedrock's pros do their cons. But I'm perfectly fine playing both versions. I grew up on Legacy Console Edition- when we got our first PS4 the first thing my big brother did was show me how to play Minecraft (I absolutely love him). I then spent about 3 years maining various forms of Bedrock (PS4, pocket, Windows 10, and Windows 11) and then got Java for the first time in 2020 when Mojang was still rolling out minor updates to 1.16.
Bedrock featuring microtransactions and having virtually no mod support is its biggest downfalls for me. And can you have homemade servers for bedrock? Crossplay support is such a great thing though that it almost makes up for it to me.
It has great mod support, as just launching the mod launches the game. The marketplace is a official mod site that is paid, yes, but you can just skip over it. Also bedrock is infantely better for pvp, due to less risk bringing and more features with spam click.
@@R8Spike Exactly. Paid. Nothing is a pasion project, and any slight change is at the hands of a megacorp. And as for spam-click combat... Yeah, that was removed from java for a reason.
@@R8Spike yes but rlcraft is free, also the spam click combat doesn't add more mechanics, it takes away from them
Yes, you can host a server in your pc for anyone to connect for free (if you don't have computer know-how realms is also an option)
You can crossplay between java and bedrock with special server packs. So it doesn't even have that
Two of my friends were introduced to Minecraft through Bedrock, simply because it could be played on our school computers, but they later switched to Java and never looked back.
nice. good choice. java is better
@@NnLd I feel like you're missing the point here
@@captainsprinkles6557 why
@@NnLd Because it's not about which one is better, it's about the fun block game
@@captainsprinkles6557 well yes but java is better anyway
Well said sir!
I play on PC, and when I tried Java, it didn’t work, so I had to start out with Bedrock. When I eventually did find a way to get Java to work, I could confirm that “uncanny” feeling. It felt so different, and I went right back to Bedrock.
But as I’m seeing all these amazing Minecraft videos, I’m honestly considering leaving my comfort zone and giving Java another try.
I think it's funny how everyone defending Bedrock often uses the argument "It's because Java is terrible when it comes to mobile and console"... But then we get plugins like Geyser and Floodgate that literally allow for Bedrock and Java players to play on the same server. In other words, it's definitely possible to solve this issue, Microsoft simply doesn't want to because they if start monetizing Java, people will riot, and Java isn't bringing in as much easy cash as Bedrock, so trying to solve the issue would actually cost more money and resources than it's worth.
I feel Bedrock still has the ticket with multiplayer with friends. Yeah, you could just open up a custom server, but I certainly didn't know that the first time I wanted to play multiplayer.
Java>bedrock
Geyser replaces third-party packages, its creates a bunch of problems. We tried to put it on our server and for some unknown reason, all new players received a zero packet error.
@@EvilGeniys I play on a server with Geyser and Floodgate, and it works perfectly. Played on there for a few weeks now, and there have been 0 problems with the plugin. It's not my server, so I have no idea how hard it was to set up, but right now it works as intended.
@@FratinandMadrik say admins contacts, maybe we can understand.
Can you please do a video on the wandering trader?
It trades you things like gunpowder and nautilus shells but it can't fight mobs.
It trades you glowstone but it can't go to the Nether.
So how did the wandering trader get these items?
OMFG I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE UR A GENIUS!!!
how did the priest? what’s the priest using nether wart for when it doesn’t brew potions.
I'll put it on the list for an upcoming video!
@@RetroGamingNow and the man himself replied
@@RetroGamingNow thanks!
I think it’s all up to preference. I’ve always played Java edition from the early days of Minecraft, so it’s what I’ll always prefer. I don’t like that it’s slower, but I understand the mechanics and like the more open source feel for the modding, but everything is up to preference.
And its not just understanding the mechanics, but because the game is slower, we've learned how to play around that to the point that playing anything faster feels alien.
How is it slower? Bedrock is much slower lol just try and go into the menus
@@bottledpoe building and bridging is faster in bedrock.
@@luciferistrue, if you dont count the time it takes to fumble blocks into your hot bar
@@gronk2102 yeah
got super excited when I saw the dallasmed65 footage
the reason I (personally) get so emotional and aggresive over the Java vs Bedrock debate is because I am very unstable and I have a lot of built up anger
You should probably stop using the internet then. If it's anger for this topic, then just don't click on these type of videos, if it's anger that you let out in arguments for no reason then stay away from people with different opinions.
Finally ive seen someone admit the true reason this debate is so wild 💀
Beep.
@@beep....... Boop.
Same. Infact; Im a threat to myself and others. How could mojang allow this?
It's amazing how many times modders on both sides of the fence have come together to try to add cross play to both versions, but it seems that whenever we get close, both versions update leaving the project at square one. The fact that you can't easily change versions on most Bedrock platforms makes the endeavor very difficult.
A lot of Java mod makers specifically don’t want their mods to be ported to bedrock. People doing that are doing it on their own initiative which is against the TOS of the original Java mods which causes conflict between parties. I wouldn’t say this is really the case.
I host an smp with a community of 15 people.GeyserMC has been a godsend to get everyone on the java server. The proxy gets updated relatively quickly from my experience (although i haven't used it during a major release like 1.18 so i can't speak to that, but from 1.17 to 1.17.1 it was updated fast)
i have a personal server for both java and bedrock. Crossplay is possible.
Dumbass doesn't realize those ports are unofficial
What grated me the most on bedrock before I had a proper compu to play java : microtransactions offering cool stuff that was isolated to a single map, not actual mods, at least that would have been interesting. Different redstone irked me badly, I do however miss how easy it was to play between friends on a world
I started playing Minecraft before microsoft so I grew up with Java. Just recently tried out the BR Edition and holy. The difference is huge. For me many differences just felt incredibly stupid as you also described it in this video. It’s like the teams behind the versions aren’t allowed to talk to each other at all…
and the thing is it wasn't like that for the legacy edition at all
@@Blonder_Studio legacy was built specifically to be a better optimised direct clone of java edition beta 1.6, which was over a year old when 360 edition released. it took years of catchup with them faithfully recreating every update for consoles to get to the same point as java but as a consequence was nearly the same game except for world size. bedrock jumped the gun and vastly modified Pe, which was practically a ripoff missing lots of stuff and worked completely differently behind the scenes, so they missed a lot in doing so. i remember in the span of about a year it went from 256x256 beta worlds with very basic features, no nether etc to an infinite, feature packed game but in their rush they missed so many of the little things so it still felt barebones
me who plays both versions: *laughs of equality and superiority*
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Average Minecraft Java vs. Bedrock fan
Average Minecraft is Minecraft enjoyer
MINECRAFT IS MINECRAFT
Nah, Java is better.
@@disco.jellyfish none of them is better, you just prefer it, minecraft is minecraft
Right now the biggest thing putting me of Bedrock is the offhand. I've gotten so used to digging with one click and placing torches with the other that not being able to even hold torches feels awful. If they ever add full offhand support, and a way to port Java worlds to Bedrock, I'd probably actually swap. I wanna have easy to bonemeal flowers and potion filled cauldrons! I'm just not willing to sacrifice half of my building and combat tricks to do it.
There used to be a bugged feature in bedrock where if you made dripstone drip water into a cauldron with one level of potion, it would fill the cauldron up with that potion.
I am proud to say I got a cauldron of every potion in the game and had a farm for each. Before it all got fixed :)
I recently started a new realm post-1.19, hopefully for the next few years!
i'm stuck playing bedrock and the lack of offhand is so painful,, genuinely i don't get why it hasn't been implemented?? plus i'm stuck playing on this shitty broken android tablet bc i don't wanna spend upwards of $50 NZD for the windows edition of a game i already own, so that just makes the experience even worse. though my strangest complaint about bedrock is actually the lack of minecarts with furnaces
@@lilliths-httyd-channel A lot of missing features are because of mojang not being sure how they could implement them on mobile, however they're trying to fix it with the new mobile controls that are coming soon
@Wurstartig the combat system is getting changed anyways
you don't want to switch to due the change in workflow you'll have to cope with? this kind of concern can be seen anywhere outside of Minecraft, too
people may reject newer software or technologies due to changes in workflow, really rubs them the wrong way
I only play Bedrock, I would welcome being able to place torches with the left hand, but since I can't, best thing I can do is have toches and my pickaxe right next to each other in the hotbar so I can switch and place torches very rapidly, for instance, and my sword next to either for killing mobs, but always having a shield equipped against those damn archers is pretty convenient, too
me and my friend are server runners so we had to deal with running Bedrock and Java servers separately, up until we found a way to combine the versions, by god did that save a lot of headaches and player division.
I remember playing the first alpha of Pocket Edition for hours when I would get baby sitted by my neighbor, she had a nephew that I would play the game with all the time. We would make giant statues, cars, Walmart, things we thought was cool. Ahh... Good times 😢
I've been playing minecraft since 2011, so java edition is all I've ever known. I have bedrock edition for Windows 10 only because I was eligible to a free copy of it. My little brother, who just turned 10, has only ever played it on PS4... the other day I was showing him my latest builds with RTX shaders and texture packs, and he said he had to beg his mom to *buy* a texture or shader pack.......what a nightmare
What the hell he didn't need to shaders were everywhere on bedrock
@@satnus3388 Which is hidden as much as possible. Even changing your skin for free is hidden as much as possible, so people are more likely to buy a skin, because they think "hmmm, i cannot change it for free"
@chloecdn when you go into the skins section, the first thing that comes up is the types of skins and how to get them. Plus the character creator allows you to make your skin using different free stuff, which is honestly way easier than having to make every pixel. And lastly, there's an entire section of the skins section dedicated to imported skins
@@satnus3388 Yes, and that "import" section is completely hidden after about 5 mouse clicks (at least it was the last time i started up bedrock)
to be fair, in java-edition it isn't that easy either, but i don't use the vanilla-launcher, so i don't know how easy it is in there nowadays.
@@lunaticwastaken Java has an easily visible "skins" tab in the launcher, including a library of all your imported skins. VERY easy.
I really appreciate how Bedrock edition is able to connect so many different platforms together for a single Minecraft experience, and I think that's really great.
When it comes to personal preference, somehow Java just feels better to play. I've heard it before and I have to agree, there's just something different about the two versions, and I can very quickly tell which version is being played when I see videos of it.
I don't know what it is, but Java is my go to. It's what I grew up with, and it's what feels the best for me.
Microsoft stupid Xbox can obviously handle Minecraft Java Edition same with iPhone is probably what will late iPhones like iPhone 10 and up cuz I feel like a devices were three gigabytes or more of Ram with a phone should be able to play Minecraft Java Edition
Redstone and a lot of inner mechanics works differently
@@NatetheNintendofan of course those devices could run it, but then how could they milk kids for cash?
@@NatetheNintendofan as iOS developer in the past I can tell that there's a reason they don't port Java edition to any other platform. The reason is that iOS, PS, Nintendo Switch, and Xbox simply will probably never support Java VM, therefore any Java application too. Even Android doesn't fully support Java, they use their own version of it. That's because Java is not something free to use, it is owned by the Oracle Corporation, so before being used on any platform, like Xbox or iOS, companies must come to a legal agreement. Apple would never do such a thing because they care about the integrity of their ecosystem more than anything else, especially on iPhones, and introducing Java to iOS would definitely ruin it. And I believe Microsoft will never do that too, because, after all, they created C# to avoid having something common with Java, Sun, and Oracle and their very stupid legal requirements. So yeah, even though there are not a lot of technical limitations, there are legal limitations, therefore porting Java Edition to anything other than Windows, Linux or macOS is very unlikely.
the textures and UI of the games are different so it's really easy to tell..
The differences in the PVP systems actually makes sense: when you're playing with a keyboard and mouse, you have way more control and can have complex PVP mechanics, but for instance, if you're playing on a phone you have limited movement, so having a simpler PVP system helps balance that out.
I agree. There are less buttons on touchscreen too; one for movement and one for camera. There is no right click button, so we have to crouch to use use shield. They have to make things as simple as possible so they don't have to add a button for every action or new feature.
No, you're wrong. Play something truly competitive like popvp and then state your opinion again. As far as combat goes, these is no superior/more complex version, and I know that because I kinda sweat at both versions, no to mention that the majority of pvp players on java is still using 1.8.9 or 1.7.10 which is when combat was nearly identical to bedrock. Obviously, post 1.9 java pvp is not more complex in any dimension than bedrock or pre 1.9 combat system.
@@fangbozhu7379 I do play competetive PVP gamemodes in 1.8- PVP and I don’t think one is inferior to the other, maybe “simpler” was the wrong word. What I meant was that PVP that requires less controls is better for Bedrock. And just from playing Bedrock on my phone and PS4 aside from Java, I like being able to spam-hit, as oppsed to having to jump and crit. So I don’t think Mojang should implement Java 1.9+ PVP into Bedrock.
not all bedrock players play on phone so it''s annoying that mojang change the experience for all players to compensate phone players. same goes for how the game runs - a pc running bedrock with a 3070 or a new gen console like the ps5 shouldnt be restricted with the same restrictions they apply to make the game run on low end hardware
I have 100s and 100s of memories of bedrock and I love both Java and bedrock but I grew up on bedrock and like what you said we stay in are camps for each version personally I don’t see myself switching fully but playing often will be good but for everyone in this community aka the Minecraft community it doesn’t matter witch is better or worse it’s that we enjoy the game in general because this is a game that 85% of people grew up with and enjoyed for decades it’s sad to see the community like this but I can see in a the far future that this will get better for all players of this game that we call Minecraft
I feel like a huge part of why particularly Java players are so fierce when it comes to this is the decentralized approach to moderation in Java. Minecraft BE is very "modernized" in how everything works. Its more locked down by design. Java eddition on the other hand is far more open.
I feel like it's the marketplace's fault.. it makes bedrock seem like a cashgrab but in reality its just a different version of the game.
@@averageinternetguy1614 it's both.
Java players are very fierce
Me, a bava player, :/
I've always played Java cause it lets you mod
I started on Pocket Edition, and played on it for YEARS, before getting Java. I had it because it was cheaper, and I didn't have access to my own computer, just a tablet. I now only play on Java, and favourite it SO much more to Bedrock (even tho I have both, just so I can play with friends). I understand why both versions exist, but I wish that Java worked similarly to Bedrock when it came to multiplayer, because I'd rather play just that version, than have to switch between both when I want to play with different people, on different servers.
Aniimatior
Exact same situation
still better than bedrock multiplayer where u need xbox live smh
Well I started on bedrock and now I'm playing java but without a premium account as my parents cares about real life things than a video game seeing that they buy me something that I didn't want that much and cost twice the cost of minecraft java instead of buying me minecraft java that I beg them to buy it for me for like 3 years
I started on MC:Bedrock and have now almost fully switched to MC:Java, too.
And when MS will block third-party browsers completely on Windows to force users to use Edge then Windows is dead for me. And will be for many other users, too, I think.
Then I will only play the MC:PE version to play together with my little brother who hates MC:Java just because I like it more than MC:Bedrock, which he prefers.
Beautifully Video
Like a lot of the differences are so minor its incredible,how hard is it to add hardcore mode to bedrock, it cant be more than a few lines of code for it to stop being playable after 1 death
Theres bugs in bedrock edition that just randomly kill you
And also you can just play on hard and delete the world if you die
To me, I never considered BedEd inferior to JavEd, just a different experience. This video made an amazing explanation on just how different these 2 versions of our favourite game are. Great stuff man, keep it up
Wtf is BedEd? And JavEd? Jared and Bed Education?
@@marysartr if I'm being completely honest I thought BedEd and JavEd being abbreviations for *Bed*rock *Ed*ition and *Jav*a *Ed*ition would be rather easy to figure out
@@ltgnx People just use Bedrock and Java. After all the Bedrock Edition term is not even official, its the bedrock codebase.
Just use Be and Je some can't really understand
Yeah, he got it wrong. It has nothing to do with the game versions. It is about the players themselves.
I started playing Minecraft when it first came out on the X-box 360, however I was watching Java content on TH-cam before then, it was always really frustrating to see cool custom maps, mods, or even just vanilla farms that simply didn't work with the X-box 360 version, but then they added minigames to the console versions, and I loved that, and while spleef and survival games were on Java far before, I had never seen any Java server do the Glide minigame before, and that was also my favorite of the minigames, *and then they removed them in bedrock* and the minigames on those servers just weren't the same as they were on legacy editions, but I still played Bedrock, mostly because it was the only one I could play, but then I got my new laptop (actually the one I'm writing this comment on lol) and started playing the Java version of Minecraft, and I much prefer it to Bedrock, even playing Bedrock on this laptop, I still prefer Java, not only are mods wonderful, and easy tutorials, and *free* server hosting and custom maps awesome, I just simply prefer the feel of Java, I don't really know how to describe it, I guess Bedrock just feels like a mobile game still, so even though I grew up with Legacy editions that later merged with Bedrock, I still "jumped ship" and now prefer Java.
mans really just called it an X-Box bruh
Why did you add a “-“ in Xbox xD
WHenever I play bedrock on the same pc I play java on, regardless of how much I tweak settings it always feels sluggish to me. Like the mouse gets like smoothed or something and how every inteface has annoying animations to play. Also I very much enjoy restone so I'm sticking to java. What I like about bedrock is how fast and smooth the world loads and it's stability.
@@_Bran ikr xD
You just described Bedrock. It's a mobile game ported to consoles and PC's
The edition parity is coming boiiisss
I grew up on 360 version, always feeling limited by playing on console. My brother was an early day Java man, he downloaded the offline version on the family pc that I would play and occasionally update it. I loved my memories on console but man I really enjoyed the aether and texture packs on pc. Now that I'm a bedrocker on series x we have found some loopholes to get shaders and some other pc content on console with some file exploring apps. I feel like the bedrock community is definitely more restricted and controlled compared to java
Im still so upset they got rid of the "console edition" (now called "editions" on the console main menu). it wasnt buggy and the user interface was amazing! it was my entire childhood and I played it with my family a lot. once it changed to bedrock none of my family would play including me. I switched over to java and enjoyed that much more.
It was unplayable at first, I rage quit for months, now they fixed it to be ok I guess, what a win.
I agree, bedrock being a version for all platforms is just not a good idea, they should just keep minecraft versions as it was before bedrock and put crossplay, not make a bad version that technically works on all. Legacy edition (consoles) felt great and it was made for it’s console, just as java was made for pc, but bedrock? It was made for cellphones and they tried to put it to every platform and it did not go well. I loved playing console edition, I still play, and even tho it’s not updated, it still feels better than console bedrock.
Same. Fond memories of Minecraft on the 360
Ah well, at least Java has mods
console edition is far superior to bedrock in every way
there are so many slight differences between the two that are really obnoxious, like the little slide you do when flying
it makes me hate bedrock a lot cus it just showed up and ruined a good version
I had the same experience! I really liked how it wasn't so buggy!
Some of us may play Java, and others may play bedrock, but we can all be friends because we dont play education edition.
nods nervously
Facts
Agreed
Fr
isn't education just bedrock on an older version
As a person whos played old versions for years (mostly old modpacks) I never knew this was a debate because the versions I play on are from well before the name change was made. As long as mods are still made and updated and im allowed to play old versions I'm fine
i started playing roughly when beta 1.8 came out (pirated of course) and after 2 years or so i stopped playing minecraft until the 2020 repercussions of the china incident, i initially hopped on the pocket edition cuz it seemed pretty similar to what i played back in the day but it really did feel off so i ended up buying the java version and that's what i still play today, never even knew there was a pocket version for pc lol
Having grown up watching java and playing bedrock, I know that me and my friends liked how bedrock was cross platform, but we all wanted Java because of more freedom with mods and custom servers and the more, I guess competitive minigames on Java. Now being on java with most of my friends, I still see why there's no truly better option. Java is better for a number of reasons, but bedrock has some other benefits, but it can't take the Java benefits usually because of hardware limitations of the intended devices. The more I think the harder it gets for me to think of a good way to make one unified version as I see there being drawbacks. I can't even think of a good way to have both versions, other than to just own both versions, as there's just some feature in one version that I like more that I can very much see someone else from the other version not liking, or something, like the modding freedom of Java, that would make Microsoft less money.
This. I have been told I am elitist since I tried to share this opinion before. I’ve been raised a bedrock player, but java is my favorite.
A lot of people compare Vanilla Minecraft a version that almost no Minecraft player really plays because it gets extremely boring and repetitve we look for new experiences on servers or modpacks and while people talk about modding what about the millions of custom plugins made for servers that are so crucial to the replayability
@@courier3567 That is true, there's lots of great plugins for minigame servers and servers that are vanilla but less boring. It's nice to see more free bedrock server hosting options with easy to install plugins, but it's definitely quite annoying that the Xbox version makes it harder to join custom servers, and I'm not sure if PS and NS have this restriction too but I don't really see why it even exists as it's preventing bedrock players from going on custom servers like Minehut which allow Java-Bedrock crossplay
@@courier3567 very good reason why i love to mod minecraft, it just adds more content
Bedrock Edition is pretty good in terms of performance, I owned Bedrock Edition on my PS4 but due to no custom skins and that multiplayer required PSPlus I bought Java Edition on my PC. I use Sodium for extra performance on Java, plus I can use shaders and dynamic lights which are really great mods in Java Edition
I started on the old Pocket Edition and I grew up with it. Sure, I've lost worlds yet I still play and create. All my friends play on Bedrock yet I'd be happy to play on Java (mainly for mods). I really couldn't care what edition it is, Minecraft is Minecraft
Beautifully put
I couldn't agree more. I started playing on PE, switched to PC (because I love Hexxit) and just bought Bedrock for the Switch so I can enjoy minecraft with my PC-less friends too.
It really doesn't bother me what people think is better, as everyone has a world and memories from whatever Edition, they love and think back to. :] I'm just happy when people play Minecraft in general
I started on Minecraft PE, then migrating to Java so I could play with my cousins. A few years later and I’m permanently on Java
That's a good opinion, but most of people are not like you and prefer bullying people from the other version. That's sad, but that's the world where we lives, everyone is different.
I just feel Bedrock is too "Microsofty" lol
Man I'm tired of clicking on a video for a certain topic, then getting an entire breakdown on how that subject came into existence
My brother in christ you knowingly clicked into an 18 minute video essay what were you thinking
@@Sir_Kophagus you should go and ask christ why your ADHD brain can sit through 18 minutes of Minecraft
7:30 So true!!! Youre speaking out of my soul!
I first played bedrock years ago, and the biggest advantage of Java was the modding, redstone and farming guides and support. The Java edition had, and still has the bigger presence and more content. Now that I have a decent PC I play Java edition with shaders and mods and it feels more liberating compared to bedrock.
Exactly, that's also my main point. I was even a bit confused that he only addresses such minor balancing or feature differences between the two versions. The lack of proper mods is the real issue. Mods made MC big.
As it should Bedrock was designed to run on mobiles. It has an off feeling everything is too fast and smooth most of the mods, shaders and resource packs are for Java. Both of them play differently and the difference is pretty big
@@Legion849 Except every 3D game uses shaders. At a minimum to render a textured object you need a vertex and fragment shader. Android however has supported Geometry shaders as far back as 2.2. Resource packs are sold for Bedrock in their store thing as I understand it. There really is no reason at all for it beyond making sure their store thing remains relevant when you get past all the BS.
Yes, but even with a really good pc sadly the java edition is limited to single threaded performance only. I wish I could actually use the 8 cores/16 threads on my CPU instead of just one
Exactly what i think
ive been looking forward to this for a while
The reason I play Java is because on bedrock, there is a glitch that freezes my pc for a minute and I rejoin the world, if I play on console or phone, I am angered at the such limited control I have over the game
My first version of Minecraft was Pocket Edition back when it was still a creative-only world. I remember building a tiny house out of bricks, and when survival mode came out, I surrounded myself with a square of torches thinking it would do something to stop the mobs. Then, a friend asked if I wanted to play Minecraft with her. This was around the time of 1.2.4. I wanted to but didn't have Java. She let me use her sister's account while we played. Then I just kept using it for years and she didn't mind.
I remember making pyramids of Antimatter Relays and Energy Collectors in Tekkit to duplicate diamonds. I remember playing the Survival Island seed of "ihatenotch" in 1.2.5. I remember recording Agrarian Skies with my friend. I remember playing Vech's "Sea of Flames" while watching SilentMystification playing the same map. Eventually, another friend bought me Java for my birthday, so I didn't have to share accounts. By then, it'd been years since I opened Pocket Edition.
I joined a friend's Java realm and it was fantastic. We created new worlds for every version from 1.12 to about 1.18. Then she stopped paying for it, and another friend invited me to their realm several months after. But it was on Bedrock. Apparently, at some point, I somehow got Bedrock (something about the Mojang accounts, I think)? I've been playing on it for almost a year now, switching between Java and Bedrock depending on who I'm playing with. But Bedrock was such a jarring difference. Whether it was the safe bridging, the Wither fight, how PVP worked, how maps worked... Every time I saw a difference, I'd freak out. Sometimes in a good way, sometimes bad-usually bad. At the tail end of 1.19, I tried to make a banner to put on my shield. I had a cool design in mind and I knew I could do it in Java. I got so bummed out when it didn't work, but so excited when I found out it would be implemented two weeks later in Bedrock.
Overall, I'm still a much bigger Java fan than Bedrock, but I'm lucky to have been able to experience both of them. I can respect the concerns that both sides have, and I wonder if part of my preference is, as you said, the fact I grew up with it, or if I genuinely enjoy it more with the features it has.
I love how there were so many ports that could've become bedrock edition, and they picked the one that worked the worst (pocket edition) Like xbox 360 edition had working redstone! And the shaders looked the same as Java! I have no idea why they chose pocket edition to be *the main game* instead of the much better console ports that already existed.
Cause kids play on their phones/tablets and give them more money with their parents' linked credit cards
True
Thats not how porting works, buddy
@@Lusc1nt I don't think they let them spend the entire bank account. They have to ask
It very much has to do with microsofts philosophy at the time (and to some degree today) around the mid 2010s they released the microsoft surface (tablet laptop hybrid) and they released windows 8 which was terrible but focused a lot on having a design intended for touch screens. It's fairly obvious they chose pocket edition because they believed and still do believe that touch screens are the future.
12:44 Holy shit I was talking to my sister about why I dislike Bedrock Edition and I literally said it was like an uncanny valley feeling. You hit the nail on the head there!
The only reason I ever hated Bedrock was because of the countless glitches that are everywhere. It just feels like a less polished version.
@@samuelthecamel i just don’t like it because I just don’t want Java to end because like you said its more polished and also it’s been around longer and you can switch to old versions and I feel like the only reason bedrock is doing well is because of it’s on more platforms
@@samuelthecamel hey on bedrock we don't have the door glitch the redstone angle glitch we also don't have to worried about a weak wither like you java players (this is a joke)
@@samuelthecamel for me bedrock gives me way more memories, I'm playing a literally war server on my phone with a lot of my friends rn, I'm trying to find our enemy, and this is on bedrock
remember that the uncanny valley goes both ways, i feel the same when i play java from time to time
i think the minecraft team needs to take 1 major update to fix some of these inconsistencies. an example of this would be implementing a redstone update system where all blocks are updated at a fixed interval to help fix the inconsistencies of bedrock
Wait bedrock doesn't have fixed tick lengths?
@@gavinthecrafter while I am not sure on the tick length, the biggest issue with bedrock is, that it is not determanistic.
I bought minecraft not knowing there were multiple versions of it because Mojang and Microsoft didn't tell me. When I noticed the version I had was missing offhands and many other small features that youtube videos mentioned, I felt scammed.
There is an angle that plays a big role in my head.
I feel like, at one point, they will discontinue Java. With the in-game shop and all of the flashy monetization options, Bedrock will most likely be more profitable and leave Java behind. I feel like they keep taking steps in this direction, since (non-monetized) third party mod-content is already being portrayed as something very bad and dangerous. (Hence all of the warnings and exclamation marks)
I'm just scared that Microsoft will get rid of Java.
Me to, I also hated the change Minecraft-Account->Mojang-Account->Microsoft-Account
I think that if that ever happens, they will just discontinue it, meaning it can still be modded, so I expect modders to add the updates bedrock receives to java.
I don't think so.
As a bedrock player, I think you’re right.
Let's imagine a world where Microsoft decides to stop the java edition, or at least to take care of it.
There would be, in my opinion, no real problem with that.
Minecraft has been around for years, and the community has already taken over a huge part of the game.
Since the beginning, the servers accepting "crack" players exist, so the online side won't be impacted, it will still be possible to play without using Microsoft services
And it is sure that a team of enthusiasts will take over to update the game
So in my opinion, nothing will change
I hope that they do an Update just focusing on parity. The "1.20 Parity update." Bedrock edition would be renamed, a TON of features get imported to each version and Mojang adds servers with cross-version multiplayer to both versions. Its already possible in some servers for players of either version to play together. I even tested it. It just needs to be accepted by mojang and coded into the game. Also, with so much parity Mojang could focus more on new features and release updates more frequently.
Exactly 👍
Lol its not that simple
Redstone would have to get figured out. If something like that were to happen, all of those long time Java redstone bugs like quasi-connectivity with pistons would go away and redstone would adopt what bedrock edition currently has. Bedrock redstone works as how redstone is intended to by developers, so a lot of Java redstone users would probably be upset. I prefer bedrock redstone though because I learned it on bedrock, but that’s just me.
@@gabrieltellez8148 it is for a company with as much disposable income as Microsoft
I wish it were that simple but you got a good idea, but it would take forever in order for that to happen
It's just common rivalry like 2 different football teams, where both teams are championship level and essentially do the same thing on the field
I would like to add here that one reason me and my friends don't play on java anymore is because it's so expansive. The game in itself isn't expensive, but to play it in a enjoyable manner you would need a pc that most where we live can't afford, while the console is more affordable and so forth
10:14 one of the main reasons it behaves different is because a lot of the redstone "features" on java are actually just bugs that the devs thought were too cool to patch out (similar to terraria hoiks) an example would be quasi connectivity although the bedrcok devs could easily implement it as an intended feature since modders have done it
The biggest issue with redstone in BE isn't the lack of quasi-connectivity. Sure, it renders a lot of Java builds incompatible, but at least it doesn't make BE redstone unusable by itself. No, the real problem is that BE redstone is *inconsistent*. It doesn't do the same thing each time. For a logical system such as redstone, it makes all but the simplest builds more or less impossible.
@FredrIQ1994 Thank you!
@@FredrIQ a lot of the inconsistency comes from how the tics work, on java anything can work on any tic, but on bedrock observers for example can only activate on odd number tics and rails can only activate on even number tics, also java has a set order, so if you have two things powered by different things (like a block or torch) it will always be the same order but bedrock it's 50/50
The is also no update order making certain machines broken. Also sticky pistons can't spit blocks in bedrock
@@FredrIQ YES! the inconsistency is horrible! i made a huge (redstone intensive) castle gate and it would only properly work a good 2/5 times? while ive only had issues on java with my own mistakes, not the games.
Personally bedrocks store is what upsets me. I remember being excited for the console release as a kid only to see that mods, texture packs, and skins were being sold while java had them for free. I just stayed playing java at 10fps until I was able to get a better pc. Only recently did I check out the bedrock store only to see it's full of knock offs and stolen content.
Yeah I think the reason people are saying Java is better is because literally everything is free, mods, resource packs, shader packs, performance mods like Sodium which make Bedrocks performance over Java almost non existent, even if Java costs more, it’s way more worth it since you’ll be spending the price of Java for stuff in the store, and even worse they had to make it Windows exclusive, it’s literally so easy to just make a port since they already have education edition, but no they want you to dual boot and restart or completely uninstall your current OS to play one game, plus mods like Controllable, and LambdaControls add controller support which was exclusive to Bedrock
@Ragtag yeah I agree, i didn’t really know that much about bedrock then
@Ragtag sure because the kids playing will totally know how to do this and not just use their mom’s card to buy things.
@Ragtag and theyll give up because its too difficult
On the other hand, many people bought Java Minecraft back in 2011. They also got a decade worth of updates since then. Would it be fair to call you a cheap fuck because you are only focusing on one side here?
i grew up on berdock, but the transition to java was sych a relief from the bugs etc.
If I was a producer responsible for a project, I would immediately put an end to developing two versions of the same project. It is absolute insanity and a massive waste of resources.