A few things here about the comparison to the STI: - No rod-actuated transmission. - Much weaker transmission. - Electronic steering vs hydraulic. - No LSDs front or rear. - No DCCD (driver-controlled center diff) - Low red line (2005 had 7,000 rpm, 2021 was around 6,700. This is 6k.) - Less power overall. To really be an STI, they'd have to have >300hp, offer a substantially stronger transmission (preferably rod-actuated and not cable), add LSDs front and rear, add a DCCD, and make it more aggressive in appearance. Wish list items would include completely redesigned front and rear bumpers without all of the plastic, and to redesign the fenders so that they aren't plastic. Also, get rid of all of the angles around the wheel well since they don't work well. And get rid of those wheels, they're hideous. This is coming from someone that owned a 2005 STi and loved every moment of it. I'd still be driving it now if it wasn't totaled. I want them to make a proper upgrade to that car.
@@fortheloveofnoise The problem is that it's my only vehicle, and I didn't have the money to buy it back, then buy another car to get around, and then rebuild this one. Under different circumstances, I would have done that.
45k is STI pricing for a WRX with some STI bits. For that price, you can get a specced out GR Corolla with F&R Torsen LSDs, which is more comparable to an STI than a WRX tS.
True, but do you really want a highly boosted turbo 3 over this boxer 2.4 t, which is probably a lot less stressed and will last longer? If you prefer the GR, great, but personally I'd get this.
@@huehuehue-x3c I agree, it should compete with an STI, Golf R, etc. However, since there is no STi, I would say the comparison is still worth mentioning.
The WRX is so old school, modern reporters don't even know how to launch it. You don't dump it, but instead, you release it slowly in a matter of two seconds or so. You will ride the clutch a bit and your differential will feel the strain... that's the awd life.
Original owner of a 2011 WRX hatch and still daily driving it with car seats in the back for the kids. I do wish they would bring back the hatch, but if they don't I plan to keep mine and get an Outback or Ascent.
That’s intentional. The WRX is not their money maker and never has been. They make most of their money from the cars that ppl in their 70s would drive.
I have a 22 WRX premium and I find slipping the clutch slightly at like 3-4k RPM up to like 15mph prevents the bogging and shaking while also accelerating faster, dumping it super high shakes the whole drive train, but you also have to shift 1 > 2 > 3 super quick because of the 6k redline and short gears, which hurts the 0-60.
Bought my 2024 Ignition Red Limited WRX Six Speed for SIX GRAND UNDER msrp (a few months ago) with 1% financing. This is the seventh brand new WRX I get. The car is that good. Only once I had a brand new 2018 GTI which was also pretty good. Considered the Golf R but wouldn’t be able to get 6K under msrp like I did with my Limited WRX
@@Nick-hz2kl No one is buying a car at 5%...right? like please tell me no one is that stupid. If it's over 3% you just need to walk away and get something more suited for your budget / price range. I walked away from a 2.8% a couple years ago on a gmc truck under msrp they wouldn't budge and I wanted 1.9 or 2.
Launching these is tricky but for a straight clutch dump, 6.1s is impressive!. You almost want to keep your foot at the engagement point for a split second when you're launching, that'll prevent the driveline shock and from having it bog down.
Love the new WRX, I hate hate the engine options. I bet most STI owners would agree that they should’ve gave us an “STI” with more power from previous gen.
On the bright side, the FA24 actually tunes very very well. You can make more power than the last STI with quite a bit less money. That said, if you're looking for BIG power (>500hp), the EJ257 is still the way to go, simply because it has port injection and you can more easily add larger injectors. I do miss the rev range, though.
I remember BMW M2 the previous one in the Long Beach Blue universally loved and raved every review, then the new M2 came out and it's "It has grown on me if I just don't look back at it after locking the car."
My manual 2015 Golf does 0-60 in 6.8s with 100 less hp AND gets 35 mpg. With a stage 1 tune it's in the high 5's. For $45k this car shouldn't be going toe-to-toe against a base model Golf with a tune😂.
Honestly I've been looking at getting lightly used Genesis G70. You can get a pretty good deal with the full luxury interior and the 3.3L twin-turbo V6 paired with the fabled ZF 8HP. 0-60 in low 4s stock. RWD biased AWD. All the reviews say it's very sporty to drive like a smaller BMW.
I tried to reserve my opinion of all the plastic cladding untill I saw it for myself and it just doesn't work for me. I feel like Subaru is trying to pass this off as something stylish but actually it's just cheap and a cost cutting detail.
First and second gear have been beefed up according to some sources with different part numbers as evidence. Lots of cars out there running 400HP on stock trans still but an STi swap from factory would be sick!! Especially with a factory LSD option.
Great review! The plastic though... they should offer a body-color trim option. This would be embarrassing to drive as a middle-aged man. I'd save for another 2-3 months and get an S3.
Hard to ignore because the STI went the way of the Dodo bird, Mitsubishi left the market altogether, and Toyotas are blowing up with warranties not being honored. There’s nothing left.
For sure! The Subaru WRX is known for its all-wheel drive, which makes it awesome for handling in different weather conditions. It's got a sporty look and a turbocharged engine that gives it that extra kick! Plus, the rally heritage is super cool.
By far, the Elantra N is much better buy than the WRX tS. Hell, I would spend an extra $5,000-$6,000 to get an Integra Type S and be far more happy with that than the WRX tS that's not an STI and that'll never be an STI.
I was the biggest fan of the original WRX with the bug eyes and big wing but this one super weird shield design display and vertical air vents kind of a fatal flaw. Plastic wheel arch looks awful. Dated platform.
For yall freaking about this 0-60 and hp rating i was put off by them as well but bought a vb wrx in 2023 after driving it... the engine has 30ish more whp and wtq then the old wrx when dyno'd and as someone that had both its very obvious that this is the case... additionally the 0 to 60 situation is really no more than 5.5 seconds with halfway decent shifting and that is because 2nd gear takes you to 58, 0 to 58 is about 4.8 to 5s
I have a 22 premium WRX and was looking forward to this review. I just think Subaru could have added a little more boost to the engine and it would justify an estimated $45k asking price. Some rear seat vents would be nice, I’m a dog owner after all 👍🏾
Seems to be over priced to me IMHO. I've had two older WRX'S . My first one was awesome. Handled great, plenty of power when you hit around 3500. My second one was like driving an old folks car from the eighty's.
i know hp isn't everything but the BRZ with a 20% displacement increase saw a 15% hp increase........the new WRX with a 20% displacement increase saw 3 hp....
Golf R please. I still find the WRX styling odd and the interior design is dated, even with the screens. Oh and no 360 camera or sunroof at this price point... nope 😂
WRX... for STi pricing... is not acceptable. On a side note - IMO the new WR rally blue - which no one seems to mention that it even changed - is no where near as nice as the original (for best comparison - take a look at the 2000'/ 90's blue, for example - same color name). Color graded videos and pics make this one look ok, but not in real life.
It might be a little darker, but idk about the rest. I have it on my 22 BRZ, and it looks great. Pops when light is shining on it. Still much better then the generic drab colors or the new beige trend..which most of the ends up looking like you smeared peanut butter all over your car. 😂
@@DragonKnightX12 Completely different colour really.. especially the 90's one (as opposed to the 2015 or whenever they changed it). I have it next to a BRZ also haha. The original is much more metallic and light coloured.
@@MKu64 Actually looks they are two different colors, Subaru was just too lazy to find a new name. Lol WRB is a darker blue with pearl coat. Seems like a lot of them are going away from Sky blue shades. I think the worst thing to me tho is it makes that ugly plastics bumper on the VB stand out so much.
I like it best in Ceramic white. VB is awesome and tS seems like a winner but why not include the full STI treatment even if HP stayed the same 😢. Damn you Subaru
Please don't convince Subaru to offer it with a sun roof. It's 30lbs at the highest point of the car, and that hurts performance. Unless they find a way to make a sunroof that doesn't add weight, it shouldn't exist on a performance model. But, even more than that, NO CROSSTREK WRX! Every car brand is shifting away from coupes and sedans to crossovers. We don't need another crossover. Maybe give the crosstrek a turbo version, but the moment they start offering a Crosstrek wrx, they'll kill the impreza.
It's a bit deceptive. The lower redline means you have to shift to 3rd to hit 60; that's where the number dip comes in. I wish they'd raised it higher, agreed. But, from a roll, these will actually walk a STI. These are deceptively fast, and will reliably hit 320hp with like $500 in bolt ons.
Subaru's lack of performance caused me to switch brands the 0-60 mph: 5.5 seconds is not competitive in today's market. I grew tired of being the slowest car at the stoplights.
Lol the 5.5 seconds is if you clutch dump at like 5K rpms and want your trans to blow up in a couple years. Normal launches and you get low 6s and maybe 100mph in the 1/4 mile. Pretty sure a 2000s WRX is faster... Either way the car is so slow stock that if they made it FWD it would actually be quicker in a straight line and corners due to weighing less and having less powertrain loss... sad.
The black cladding is so ugly in person. I really hope they update it for a mid-cycle refresh. It’s an automatic red flag for me if this car was on a short list.
At least Subaru kept a decent looking Dashboard design....Doesn't have the annoying "superglued" screens on the dash......Tail Lights are still FUGLY....Subaru needs to redesign!......
The mid-cycle refresh is next calendar year, late in the year. All they're going to do is get rid of the fog lamps and use that space to make more functional air ducts that'll cool the brakes, widen the lower grille for more air flow to cool the turbocharger, widen the hood scoop to give the intercooler more air, revise the gear ratios of the manual transmission, sharpen/tighten the headlights to make them look meaner, taillights will remain the same unless they pull a Honda move and smoke out the taillights like they did with the refreshed 2025-2026 Honda Civic Si and if you're lucky, they'll upgrade the processor speed of the 11.6" Starlink Infotainment System because people say how much it is very slow and maybe, just maybe they upgrade the backup camera quality on the infotainment system and the camera takes up the entire real estate of the infotainment system like a backup camera is supposed to. Other than that, the WRX is not getting no more extra power because 3-5 horsepower and torque is too much for them.
When all is said and done, either this gen WRX will be the very last or they will milk this gen like Dodge did the LX Charger and Challenger twins until they go CVT-only with their hybrid and EV-only with their STe.
@@TheGamingJuicy That was with a redline clutch dump. No one is actually going to do that with their own car. The street start is high 6 seconds. Brutal. Not to mention that the 5.5 seconds is slower than the 2001 WRX. The class has moved on. It is comparatively slow. Especially as speeds rise and the brutal launch is taken out of the equation.
LOL this car would be FASTER with FWD! It is slow stock that by removing the AWD system, the car would weigh less and have less powertrain loss leading to better 0-60 and especially 1/4 mile times. Would likely also do as good maybe better on a skid pad considering an Elantra N with similar width tires can pull almost 1g laterally on a 300ft skidpad.
Too be fair the Elantra N really isn't any faster comparing manual to manual. The DCT is a different story. The EN just the other 99% of FWD cars has a low cap for tuning wo serious mods. Around 320 whp is the safe limit. On a positive note for the WRX it's still purely AWD and Subaru's old school mechanial system. No getting kicked into FWD on the track like the GR Corolla. You'll never want for more traction. On the downside it's two open Diffs and a vicious center. It's using torque vectoring by brakes to do a job that would be better done by Limited Slip Differentials. The other downside is the manual has tall gearing, you have to go to 3rd to hit 60. It's also the weak link. 400+whp is a dice roll with that trans. And you're only other option is a CVT...lol Safe spot for tuning is 350-375whp. So not much more than the EN in perspective. Honestly if they put front and rear LSDs, and switch to the STI manual or borrow a better one from Toyota. The WRX would be a pretty solid buy.
@@DragonKnightX12 straight line? Sure the Elantra N manual is only trapping a few mph more in the 1/4 mile. But around a track they aren't even in the same league... I was talking about all around performance
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 Not really. On C&D's Lighting Lap 2023 the EN was only 4s faster then a 22 WRX, and they were both in the 3 min category. They are very much in the same league. And that was just a regular WRX on the stock dunlops. I imagine the TR/Ts isn't far behind.
Pre-pandemic financial and supply constraints made the production of the STI too costly for the targeted demo, so it was not going to sell well and corporate procurement advised not to proceed unless they wanted to sell it at a loss. Subaru already had contractual obligations with the third-party companies they were collaborating with (Recaro, Brembo, etc) and needed to stick to their deal, so the only logical way out was to create "special" trims: TR or the tS. This generation will not see an STI thanks to the Chinese. Not Subaru's fault.
It’s not tuned by STI it’s exactly the same power, same internals, same split case 6 speed, etc. they put some brakes on it that I can get off RockAuto for like $150 bucks and some struts
I will say they rate the WRX 270hp at the wheels, meaning the crank HP is somewhere if not above 300hp. The peak torque also comes at 2,000 rpm meaning a much flatter torque curve! Savagegeese did a nice video on it I believe. Edit: did a quick search and it looks like peak torque comes on at 2k
Subaru does offer an STI Exhaust Muffler with these vehicle which is factory installed, and YES, it is much louder. In fact, I thought it is too loud and decided on future WRX purchases to go with the standard exhaust. The one thing we do not want to do is encourage Subaru to induce that fake engine noise they pipe through interior. Yuck!
These cars are getting hilarious. Every year they come out with some new more expensive "trim" that has yet to improve engine performance. Meanwhile a 2018 Mustang Ecoboost is still blowing all these cars out of the water from interior, to exterior, to performance and it came out 5+ years ago. Just get an Ecoboost and be better for cheaper
@@buss1205 wait what lmao? You're saying a boring ass 4 door AWD car not even cracking 300 hp is more exciting than a rwd coupe that can actually break tires loose? Good lord the cope
@@BrayZap its called taking corners brother. straight line speed gets boring surprisingly fast, especially if thats all ur car can really do. also im gonna be completely honest man, i would rather bike to work everyday than to drive an ecoboost mustang. im sorry but im not being seen in that. have you ever met a single person that said "wow thats a sick eco boost mustang"? yea me neither.
They're about to meet their fate after this gen WRX. I can't see the WRX getting a VC gen or whatever they call the next gen and Subaru thinks everybody will run to a CVT-only hybrid e-STI or a fake and silent transmissionless EV STe for a WRX's next generation. If they want an engine that bad to give people a WRX STI, why don't they spend the money and go to Porsche and get the 2.5L Flat Four Turbocharged 4-cylinder engine that was in the early model years of this current generation's 718 Boxster and let the STI Division do their magic to make the VB gen WRX STI come to life? I thought automakers read comments? Apparently, Subaru of Japan and Subaru of America Inc. doesn't.
No. It. Is. Not. Subaru would have to make huge expensive changes if they wanted this to make 400 hp with a warranty. Want proof? This is exactly why the power has stayed the same in the first place. Just because tuners can crank the boost and it's fine for a few years does not mean that a manufacturer is going to release that onto the market.
It is. There you can easily get there with bolt one and E85. There are a few TH-cam that have already done it and some shops have gotten 500 without opening the engine. @@carsonj4031
Had a outback 2021 onyx and hated the touch screen system, laggy, bad, never connected half of the time, and just not fun to use hand more of a safety hazzard to use when things didn't work right. Not to mention the sound system was so bad that I had to upgrade the whole thing and then it was only OK. Subaru is ok as a car to drive but if you looking for things like infotainment system or sound, spend your money somewhere else. But glad they finally catching up even tho they are 5 years late to the game. I upgraded to a bmw x3 m50. Couldn't be happier
If the WRX tS ends up at $45,000, this trim will be DOA once it arrives on showroom floors and dealership lots. You got the mid-cycle refresh Elantra N for $10,000 less and more performance. You got the GR Corolla while smaller in size gives you more performance, but you gotta be careful you don't go over 85 MPH and the car catches fire. You got the MK8.5 Golf R, but you can no longer get a manual transmission in the refreshed Golf R. There is no Jetta GLR/GRI (no R version of the Jetta). You got the FL5 Civic Type R, but you still can't find one at MSRP without additional dealer markup. Lastly, you got the Integra Type S while it is more in price, you get the most performance and niceties for your money. $45,000 was the VA gen WRX STI Limited money. Subaru will have to give in when they see the VB WRX tS still not being what the community asks for. Their last hope is bringing the WRX STI back. They don't have no choice if they want a next gen WRX to exist in the direction they want to go with it being hybrid or electric or both, but right now it's not the time for either of those right now. Subaru needs to take a risk and get the STI team back to enhance the FA24 or spend the money and go to Porsche and get the 2.5 Flat Four Boxer Engine that was in the Porsche 718 Boxster and use that engine for a VB WRX STI. It made 350hp and 309lb-ft of tq. That would/will be more than enough performance punch for a VB gen WRX STI.
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A few things here about the comparison to the STI:
- No rod-actuated transmission.
- Much weaker transmission.
- Electronic steering vs hydraulic.
- No LSDs front or rear.
- No DCCD (driver-controlled center diff)
- Low red line (2005 had 7,000 rpm, 2021 was around 6,700. This is 6k.)
- Less power overall.
To really be an STI, they'd have to have >300hp, offer a substantially stronger transmission (preferably rod-actuated and not cable), add LSDs front and rear, add a DCCD, and make it more aggressive in appearance.
Wish list items would include completely redesigned front and rear bumpers without all of the plastic, and to redesign the fenders so that they aren't plastic. Also, get rid of all of the angles around the wheel well since they don't work well. And get rid of those wheels, they're hideous.
This is coming from someone that owned a 2005 STi and loved every moment of it. I'd still be driving it now if it wasn't totaled. I want them to make a proper upgrade to that car.
never make a claim, rebuild the car yourself and a shop for whatbu cant, did that with my 98 5 speed sentra after a front end collision last year
@@fortheloveofnoise The problem is that it's my only vehicle, and I didn't have the money to buy it back, then buy another car to get around, and then rebuild this one. Under different circumstances, I would have done that.
@@fortheloveofnoiseawful advice
Yet still drives better than all WRX models of the past. Stupid to compare to an STI when its a WRX. Also VB keeping up with STIs is a plus
have you even driven the new gen?
45k is STI pricing for a WRX with some STI bits. For that price, you can get a specced out GR Corolla with F&R Torsen LSDs, which is more comparable to an STI than a WRX tS.
True, but do you really want a highly boosted turbo 3 over this boxer 2.4 t, which is probably a lot less stressed and will last longer? If you prefer the GR, great, but personally I'd get this.
@@lions208436I wouldn't get either. Rather go with a TypeR.
@@lions208436 I wouldn't choose either one. I'd much prefer to go with a Type R.
This isn't meant to compete with the corolla. You can actually fit people in the back seat of the WRX and you can buy them without markup.
@@huehuehue-x3c I agree, it should compete with an STI, Golf R, etc. However, since there is no STi, I would say the comparison is still worth mentioning.
I've owned 2 STI's a 2019 & 2021 the re-sale & trade-in value is amazing.
You can do better in life mate. Strive for better
That’s the only positive thing
The WRX is so old school, modern reporters don't even know how to launch it. You don't dump it, but instead, you release it slowly in a matter of two seconds or so. You will ride the clutch a bit and your differential will feel the strain... that's the awd life.
I used rev my 02 WRX to 5k and drop the clutch and blast off, so I don't know....😂
Original owner of a 2011 WRX hatch and still daily driving it with car seats in the back for the kids. I do wish they would bring back the hatch, but if they don't I plan to keep mine and get an Outback or Ascent.
There is !>:3 Hatch is available outside of the U.S market 😢
Yea I have a 2020 WRX. But in the future if I want more space. I'll get me the Outback Wilderness. To how more room space and a bit power. 😬
25:26 in case you're looking for the 0-60
great review and especially camera work. Knows when to zoom in on subjects your covering , bravo to him and your team
WRX looks like a hot/sporty sedan, but the rest of their lineup looks like my 70 y/o parents would drive those cars
You’re parents are cool af if they driving around in a brz
BRZ???
That’s intentional. The WRX is not their money maker and never has been. They make most of their money from the cars that ppl in their 70s would drive.
They look like a bunch of station wagons.
Bring back the STI. Big mistake.
I have a 22 WRX premium and I find slipping the clutch slightly at like 3-4k RPM up to like 15mph prevents the bogging and shaking while also accelerating faster, dumping it super high shakes the whole drive train, but you also have to shift 1 > 2 > 3 super quick because of the 6k redline and short gears, which hurts the 0-60.
I just don't get the whole 'clutch dump' thing. Who the hell drives their car like that? Makes me cringe.
This WRX being like an STI is like what a M340i is to an M3...
It's not and will not ever be an STI just like the M340 will never be an M3
I’ve been getting constant 5.6 60s. That 5k clutch dump definitely hurt. Traction fully off and around 2.5k and your all set.
Bought my 2024 Ignition Red Limited WRX Six Speed for SIX GRAND UNDER msrp (a few months ago) with 1% financing. This is the seventh brand new WRX I get. The car is that good. Only once I had a brand new 2018 GTI which was also pretty good. Considered the Golf R but wouldn’t be able to get 6K under msrp like I did with my Limited WRX
How did you get 1% financing?
@ this was a few months ago. 820 credit score and I’m friends with the general manager of the Subaru Dealer
@ I see . Nice . When I had Subies they would do me at 1.9% Now it’s more like 5% even with perfect credit
@@Nick-hz2kl No one is buying a car at 5%...right? like please tell me no one is that stupid. If it's over 3% you just need to walk away and get something more suited for your budget / price range. I walked away from a 2.8% a couple years ago on a gmc truck under msrp they wouldn't budge and I wanted 1.9 or 2.
Launching these is tricky but for a straight clutch dump, 6.1s is impressive!. You almost want to keep your foot at the engagement point for a split second when you're launching, that'll prevent the driveline shock and from having it bog down.
Love the new WRX, I hate hate the engine options. I bet most STI owners would agree that they should’ve gave us an “STI” with more power from previous gen.
Well they didn’t.
On the bright side, the FA24 actually tunes very very well. You can make more power than the last STI with quite a bit less money. That said, if you're looking for BIG power (>500hp), the EJ257 is still the way to go, simply because it has port injection and you can more easily add larger injectors. I do miss the rev range, though.
When reviewers say "the styling has grown on me", you know they are at a manufacturer event 😅
I remember BMW M2 the previous one in the Long Beach Blue universally loved and raved every review, then the new M2 came out and it's "It has grown on me if I just don't look back at it after locking the car."
@@Digiphex to be fair, the new M2 looks way better in person than in the marketing materials.
@@gladdy02 lol I actually like it now, and can deal with the bumper. I'd still take it to an aftermarket spot to get the plastic pieces color matched.
I usually have to give it some time and I like it. But it's been years of seeing this new WRX on the road and it has never grown on me, it's just ugly
@@BrayZapTrue. I remember when people called the mk5 Supra ugly at first but now I think a lot of ppl like it.
My manual 2015 Golf does 0-60 in 6.8s with 100 less hp AND gets 35 mpg. With a stage 1 tune it's in the high 5's.
For $45k this car shouldn't be going toe-to-toe against a base model Golf with a tune😂.
Unless your golf is a tuned GTI I’m pretty sure this thing would roast your ass even tuned 😂
@juelz4516 not with a 6.1 second 0-60 it won't😂.
I really wish Subaru would distill some of that WRX styling into the rest of the line up. The majority of Subaru vehicles are designed for old people…
Hondata tune my 2.0 accord upper 4 seconds 0 to 60. It’s respectable as is for a daily driver and so I don’t mess with it. Good fuel mileage too.
Honestly I've been looking at getting lightly used Genesis G70.
You can get a pretty good deal with the full luxury interior and the 3.3L twin-turbo V6 paired with the fabled ZF 8HP.
0-60 in low 4s stock. RWD biased AWD.
All the reviews say it's very sporty to drive like a smaller BMW.
Lots of color, bells and whistles but it’s still doesn’t make up for no STI. Listen to your customer’s Subaru and just give us a proper STI already!
I tried to reserve my opinion of all the plastic cladding untill I saw it for myself and it just doesn't work for me. I feel like Subaru is trying to pass this off as something stylish but actually it's just cheap and a cost cutting detail.
Subaru needs to add the STi transmission, I hate that they used the weak transmission from the VA chassis
First and second gear have been beefed up according to some sources with different part numbers as evidence. Lots of cars out there running 400HP on stock trans still but an STi swap from factory would be sick!! Especially with a factory LSD option.
@@garrett6389 3rd is the gear most tuned owners report breaking.
Great review! The plastic though... they should offer a body-color trim option. This would be embarrassing to drive as a middle-aged man. I'd save for another 2-3 months and get an S3.
That purple WRX with the gold brembos 🔥
Subaru, just give us an Sti you cowards! And make it dual clutch
Hard to ignore because the STI went the way of the Dodo bird, Mitsubishi left the market altogether, and Toyotas are blowing up with warranties not being honored.
There’s nothing left.
For sure! The Subaru WRX is known for its all-wheel drive, which makes it awesome for handling in different weather conditions. It's got a sporty look and a turbocharged engine that gives it that extra kick! Plus, the rally heritage is super cool.
If galaxy purple shows up on the brz ts….
I still think that the 2025 Elantra N is a better deal for the price is 35k compared to this Subaru WRX TS at 45k
By far, the Elantra N is much better buy than the WRX tS. Hell, I would spend an extra $5,000-$6,000 to get an Integra Type S and be far more happy with that than the WRX tS that's not an STI and that'll never be an STI.
@@antoinelee-thomas9536how about 2.5 stinger against this?
I was the biggest fan of the original WRX with the bug eyes and big wing but this one super weird shield design display and vertical air vents kind of a fatal flaw. Plastic wheel arch looks awful. Dated platform.
3 door hatch back sti? That's all we want Subaru!
Nearly $50K for just too much.
I still hate that rear bumper lol
They need to release a HATCH. Subaru is just/ has. BEEN shooting Themselves in the foot for yesrs
This is my next car. I’m trading my 2017 STI in for one in the future.
For yall freaking about this 0-60 and hp rating i was put off by them as well but bought a vb wrx in 2023 after driving it... the engine has 30ish more whp and wtq then the old wrx when dyno'd and as someone that had both its very obvious that this is the case... additionally the 0 to 60 situation is really no more than 5.5 seconds with halfway decent shifting and that is because 2nd gear takes you to 58, 0 to 58 is about 4.8 to 5s
STI tuning your car by adding more stickers, nice.
I recently drove a Lancer Evo. What a hoot
Just enjoy the car don’t nitpick 🎉
they're turning into Mitsubishi. at this point, it doesn't look like they're trying for a sports sedan anymore.
Why wouldn’t Subaru upgrade the WRX awd system to the STI system and call it a day?
Would you recommend getting a manual if you’re barely learning how to drive one ?
A 5k clutch dump to get a 6.1 0-60?! Holy crap that is terrible. What if you don't do a clutch dump? 0-60 in 6.5-6.6? 😢
7 probably.
There's a reason you don't want to buy a press car, lol.
The Outback gets to 60 in 6 seconds all day with a CVT
Nah lol I own a 23 premium it's like 5.5 at most, but this is also because 5th gear ends at 58mph
If you could reach 60 in 2nd gear that number would likely be low 5s and possibly high 4s. The 3rd shift really kills the 0-60 time
this is somewhat soothing... a Manual Transmission ICE powered Sedan... not some electrified crossiver fake suv thing... Thank You subaru
Sofyan’s intros get further and further 😂
Nice review
I have a 22 premium WRX and was looking forward to this review. I just think Subaru could have added a little more boost to the engine and it would justify an estimated $45k asking price. Some rear seat vents would be nice, I’m a dog owner after all 👍🏾
We need a WRX Wilderness!
Seems to be over priced to me IMHO.
I've had two older WRX'S . My first one was awesome. Handled great, plenty of power when you hit around 3500. My second one was like driving an old folks car from the eighty's.
I can’t believe it red lines is 6000 RPM! Is it a diesel?
i know hp isn't everything but the BRZ with a 20% displacement increase saw a 15% hp increase........the new WRX with a 20% displacement increase saw 3 hp....
Golf R please. I still find the WRX styling odd and the interior design is dated, even with the screens. Oh and no 360 camera or sunroof at this price point... nope 😂
TS = totally stupid .. zero improvement on power and the price is are you kidding me level
People without money always complain.
45k for this is silly
People exaggerate saying this front end is terrible. I think it has a handsome front fascia. But the rear looks bad and stubbu
People come to this channel to complain about everything. It's ridiculous. And then there's the one they call Naveen. 🤦
@BillySamKidry It's funny because everybody knows his name on Facebook too in all off the automotive news magazines Facebook pages too. LOL!
WRX... for STi pricing... is not acceptable.
On a side note - IMO the new WR rally blue - which no one seems to mention that it even changed - is no where near as nice as the original (for best comparison - take a look at the 2000'/ 90's blue, for example - same color name). Color graded videos and pics make this one look ok, but not in real life.
It might be a little darker, but idk about the rest. I have it on my 22 BRZ, and it looks great. Pops when light is shining on it.
Still much better then the generic drab colors or the new beige trend..which most of the ends up looking like you smeared peanut butter all over your car. 😂
@@DragonKnightX12 Completely different colour really.. especially the 90's one (as opposed to the 2015 or whenever they changed it). I have it next to a BRZ also haha. The original is much more metallic and light coloured.
@@MKu64 Actually looks they are two different colors, Subaru was just too lazy to find a new name. Lol
WRB is a darker blue with pearl coat.
Seems like a lot of them are going away from Sky blue shades.
I think the worst thing to me tho is it makes that ugly plastics bumper on the VB stand out so much.
I like it best in Ceramic white. VB is awesome and tS seems like a winner but why not include the full STI treatment even if HP stayed the same 😢. Damn you Subaru
Just a do a dam STI at this point. This is just a money grab lol
it is coming after the mid cycle refresh
@fortheloveofnoise last i heard it was gona be an ev tho.
I would change the rear ugly bumper and the tale light so old.
Subaru isn't fooling no one 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Subaru sold its SOUL when its starting to put CVT on everything
Please don't convince Subaru to offer it with a sun roof. It's 30lbs at the highest point of the car, and that hurts performance. Unless they find a way to make a sunroof that doesn't add weight, it shouldn't exist on a performance model.
But, even more than that, NO CROSSTREK WRX! Every car brand is shifting away from coupes and sedans to crossovers. We don't need another crossover. Maybe give the crosstrek a turbo version, but the moment they start offering a Crosstrek wrx, they'll kill the impreza.
6.1s 0-60? seriously Subaru? If it's not under 5s stock I'll pass. Previous gens are much quicker what a shame.
It's a bit deceptive. The lower redline means you have to shift to 3rd to hit 60; that's where the number dip comes in. I wish they'd raised it higher, agreed.
But, from a roll, these will actually walk a STI. These are deceptively fast, and will reliably hit 320hp with like $500 in bolt ons.
Subaru's lack of performance caused me to switch brands the 0-60 mph: 5.5 seconds is not competitive in today's market. I grew tired of being the slowest car at the stoplights.
Sad circumstance
Lol the 5.5 seconds is if you clutch dump at like 5K rpms and want your trans to blow up in a couple years. Normal launches and you get low 6s and maybe 100mph in the 1/4 mile. Pretty sure a 2000s WRX is faster...
Either way the car is so slow stock that if they made it FWD it would actually be quicker in a straight line and corners due to weighing less and having less powertrain loss... sad.
The black cladding is so ugly in person. I really hope they update it for a mid-cycle refresh. It’s an automatic red flag for me if this car was on a short list.
imagine if they did a boxer 6 version as a wagon
At least Subaru kept a decent looking Dashboard design....Doesn't have the annoying "superglued" screens on the dash......Tail Lights are still FUGLY....Subaru needs to redesign!......
The mid-cycle refresh is next calendar year, late in the year. All they're going to do is get rid of the fog lamps and use that space to make more functional air ducts that'll cool the brakes, widen the lower grille for more air flow to cool the turbocharger, widen the hood scoop to give the intercooler more air, revise the gear ratios of the manual transmission, sharpen/tighten the headlights to make them look meaner, taillights will remain the same unless they pull a Honda move and smoke out the taillights like they did with the refreshed 2025-2026 Honda Civic Si and if you're lucky, they'll upgrade the processor speed of the 11.6" Starlink Infotainment System because people say how much it is very slow and maybe, just maybe they upgrade the backup camera quality on the infotainment system and the camera takes up the entire real estate of the infotainment system like a backup camera is supposed to.
Other than that, the WRX is not getting no more extra power because 3-5 horsepower and torque is too much for them.
does the camera man rob get to drive the car aswell
Subaru will get you anything but an STi.
When all is said and done, either this gen WRX will be the very last or they will milk this gen like Dodge did the LX Charger and Challenger twins until they go CVT-only with their hybrid and EV-only with their STe.
Take Lake county HWY. from the lake down to Santa Rosa. It’ll definitely put any to through its gears.
6.1s? Kidding??
Car And Driver got it to 5.5s. That's pretty standard for this class of car.
@@TheGamingJuicy That was with a redline clutch dump. No one is actually going to do that with their own car. The street start is high 6 seconds. Brutal. Not to mention that the 5.5 seconds is slower than the 2001 WRX. The class has moved on. It is comparatively slow. Especially as speeds rise and the brutal launch is taken out of the equation.
@@TheGamingJuicy the new Accord with front wheel drive can do 60 in the low 5s. Not class competitive by any stretch of the imagination.
@@thekingandi1705 the new Accord is an automatic only car... not really in the same class...
@@layne4376 same as every other car in the class...
So why isn't there a real STi for this generation of WRX?
Emissions regulations.
Because $$. People are quick to say they want an STI for this generation but how much of them are willing to pay in the 50's for it?
Because Subaru thinks their retired EJ25 motor is some sort of fire-breathing Hellcat/Hellcat Redeye or flaming pitchfork Demon/Demon 170 engines.
STI Vibes --- Good!
STD Vibes -- Bad!!
Ha... we haven't heard this joke before...
Hey ..There...
Where is the back trademark "Spoiler"...
🤔🧐
That was for the STI only.
LOL this car would be FASTER with FWD! It is slow stock that by removing the AWD system, the car would weigh less and have less powertrain loss leading to better 0-60 and especially 1/4 mile times. Would likely also do as good maybe better on a skid pad considering an Elantra N with similar width tires can pull almost 1g laterally on a 300ft skidpad.
Too be fair the Elantra N really isn't any faster comparing manual to manual. The DCT is a different story.
The EN just the other 99% of FWD cars has a low cap for tuning wo serious mods. Around 320 whp is the safe limit.
On a positive note for the WRX it's still purely AWD and Subaru's old school mechanial system. No getting kicked into FWD on the track like the GR Corolla.
You'll never want for more traction.
On the downside it's two open Diffs and a vicious center. It's using torque vectoring by brakes to do a job that would be better done by Limited Slip Differentials.
The other downside is the manual has tall gearing, you have to go to 3rd to hit 60. It's also the weak link. 400+whp is a dice roll with that trans. And you're only other option is a CVT...lol
Safe spot for tuning is 350-375whp. So not much more than the EN in perspective.
Honestly if they put front and rear LSDs, and switch to the STI manual or borrow a better one from Toyota. The WRX would be a pretty solid buy.
@@DragonKnightX12 straight line? Sure the Elantra N manual is only trapping a few mph more in the 1/4 mile. But around a track they aren't even in the same league... I was talking about all around performance
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 Not really.
On C&D's Lighting Lap 2023 the EN was only 4s faster then a 22 WRX, and they were both in the 3 min category. They are very much in the same league.
And that was just a regular WRX on the stock dunlops. I imagine the TR/Ts isn't far behind.
Suby is a dying brand in most of the south east asia market
10:00 start button says STI? But why…..
TS for Team Subaru.
Pre-pandemic financial and supply constraints made the production of the STI too costly for the targeted demo, so it was not going to sell well and corporate procurement advised not to proceed unless they wanted to sell it at a loss. Subaru already had contractual obligations with the third-party companies they were collaborating with (Recaro, Brembo, etc) and needed to stick to their deal, so the only logical way out was to create "special" trims: TR or the tS. This generation will not see an STI thanks to the Chinese. Not Subaru's fault.
It’s not tuned by STI it’s exactly the same power, same internals, same split case 6 speed, etc. they put some brakes on it that I can get off RockAuto for like $150 bucks and some struts
I will say they rate the WRX 270hp at the wheels, meaning the crank HP is somewhere if not above 300hp. The peak torque also comes at 2,000 rpm meaning a much flatter torque curve! Savagegeese did a nice video on it I believe.
Edit: did a quick search and it looks like peak torque comes on at 2k
? Peak torque is around 3000.
@@jonboy602 typo, thank you I will edit my comment
Subaru does offer an STI Exhaust Muffler with these vehicle which is factory installed, and YES, it is much louder. In fact, I thought it is too loud and decided on future WRX purchases to go with the standard exhaust. The one thing we do not want to do is encourage Subaru to induce that fake engine noise they pipe through interior. Yuck!
These cars are getting hilarious. Every year they come out with some new more expensive "trim" that has yet to improve engine performance. Meanwhile a 2018 Mustang Ecoboost is still blowing all these cars out of the water from interior, to exterior, to performance and it came out 5+ years ago. Just get an Ecoboost and be better for cheaper
yea but then u have a mustang and there goes having any real fun :/
@@buss1205 wait what lmao? You're saying a boring ass 4 door AWD car not even cracking 300 hp is more exciting than a rwd coupe that can actually break tires loose? Good lord the cope
@@BrayZap its called taking corners brother. straight line speed gets boring surprisingly fast, especially if thats all ur car can really do. also im gonna be completely honest man, i would rather bike to work everyday than to drive an ecoboost mustang. im sorry but im not being seen in that. have you ever met a single person that said "wow thats a sick eco boost mustang"? yea me neither.
Elantra N is the car to buy.. faster than Subaru and cheaper. Its track ready and practical too
Great video, Rob and Sofyan. Great balance this tS is, over the other current trims(including but not limited to the GT).
Looks good but that rear bumper looks ridiculous
subaru will give us everything but a sti
They're about to meet their fate after this gen WRX.
I can't see the WRX getting a VC gen or whatever they call the next gen and Subaru thinks everybody will run to a CVT-only hybrid e-STI or a fake and silent transmissionless EV STe for a WRX's next generation.
If they want an engine that bad to give people a WRX STI, why don't they spend the money and go to Porsche and get the 2.5L Flat Four Turbocharged 4-cylinder engine that was in the early model years of this current generation's 718 Boxster and let the STI Division do their magic to make the VB gen WRX STI come to life?
I thought automakers read comments? Apparently, Subaru of Japan and Subaru of America Inc. doesn't.
6seconds 0 to 60. 19 mpg city smh horrible
my moped is faster lol
@@Kimbrough87your mum is fast too
Yeah, but you get the terrible looking "rally" wheel arches.
Pathetic right….slower than pretty much every other generation WRX…
It has less power than the old STi. This sir, is no STi.
A replacement for your lezbo wagon
5k anyhonda 5k for k24a2 swap plus turbo 5k for essential parts and am bless
Subaru's resistance to horsepower really puzzles me. This engine is capable of 400+ hp pretty easily.
No. It. Is. Not.
Subaru would have to make huge expensive changes if they wanted this to make 400 hp with a warranty. Want proof? This is exactly why the power has stayed the same in the first place. Just because tuners can crank the boost and it's fine for a few years does not mean that a manufacturer is going to release that onto the market.
It is. There you can easily get there with bolt one and E85. There are a few TH-cam that have already done it and some shops have gotten 500 without opening the engine. @@carsonj4031
Maybe transmission cannot handle the power reliably
To much plastic cladding. If painted body color would be better. Could of saved $ and make it a larger single exhaust would also sound way better.
Had a outback 2021 onyx and hated the touch screen system, laggy, bad, never connected half of the time, and just not fun to use hand more of a safety hazzard to use when things didn't work right. Not to mention the sound system was so bad that I had to upgrade the whole thing and then it was only OK. Subaru is ok as a car to drive but if you looking for things like infotainment system or sound, spend your money somewhere else. But glad they finally catching up even tho they are 5 years late to the game. I upgraded to a bmw x3 m50. Couldn't be happier
This is a blatant scam, at this point if Subaru ever decides to release a new STi probably be beyond 50k.
Looks good except for the plastic cladding out back
The mid cycle refresh will lose some of the plastic cladding
Subaru will learn that the ugly forced blue accent interior will cause a drop in sales! They are already down 50% from last year lol
If the WRX tS ends up at $45,000, this trim will be DOA once it arrives on showroom floors and dealership lots.
You got the mid-cycle refresh Elantra N for $10,000 less and more performance.
You got the GR Corolla while smaller in size gives you more performance, but you gotta be careful you don't go over 85 MPH and the car catches fire.
You got the MK8.5 Golf R, but you can no longer get a manual transmission in the refreshed Golf R.
There is no Jetta GLR/GRI (no R version of the Jetta).
You got the FL5 Civic Type R, but you still can't find one at MSRP without additional dealer markup.
Lastly, you got the Integra Type S while it is more in price, you get the most performance and niceties for your money.
$45,000 was the VA gen WRX STI Limited money. Subaru will have to give in when they see the VB WRX tS still not being what the community asks for. Their last hope is bringing the WRX STI back. They don't have no choice if they want a next gen WRX to exist in the direction they want to go with it being hybrid or electric or both, but right now it's not the time for either of those right now.
Subaru needs to take a risk and get the STI team back to enhance the FA24 or spend the money and go to Porsche and get the 2.5 Flat Four Boxer Engine that was in the Porsche 718 Boxster and use that engine for a VB WRX STI. It made 350hp and 309lb-ft of tq. That would/will be more than enough performance punch for a VB gen WRX STI.
It should be able to beat a new Civic Hybrid 0-60 but it merely matches it.
Your videos always lift my spirits and make me smile. Thank you for your ability to share positivity and joy!🍹🎀🦇
Toyota is making their partial ownership known. Overpricing, underpowering their vassal brands.. Good thing the BRZ is still as fun as an older WRX
It’s ugly
2014 Hatchback is much sexier