Second time getting TMS before and after
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ย. 2019
- Tl,dr: TMS + DRUGS + RUNNING = I FEEL GOOD
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I got TMS in 2018 and it was awesome.
Watch my first video here: • TMS Before and After
I got depressed again several months later and got TMS again in 2019. The second time around, it didn't have quite the same sparkle, but it still worked really well. PHQ-9 started at 19 and by the end of treatment it was a 1 I think.
NOTE: It might have worked slightly less well the second time around because I had to take a week off in the middle to travel.
MORE INFO: I also take wellbutrin and lexapro.
If you are depressed, don't give up hope. There's always another thing you can try. I know it's frustrating when you hear wonderful things about a certain treatment and then it ends up not working for you. Don't let that stop you. If you run out of energy to look for treatment, ask for help from a doctor or loved one. If your doctor doesn't take your concerns seriously, find a different one. Feeling good is possible!
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I have a mental health journey on my channel.
I also want to do TMS.
I've been clinically depressed for over a year. And I'm just ready to feel alive again ya know?
I will be posting my treatment when I start. ❤
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So glad that things are looking up for you :) physical exercise is so important! I finished my TMS a few weeks ago. I wish you the best in the years ahead and Im happy to see another video from you.
I find this video, as well as your previous videos, very uplifting. It is very significant the way you speak and also how you look, when you feel good vs bad. It gives hope to see that there can be such a big difference in the wellbeing, before and after TMS. Thanks!
Thanks for the updates. I’m heading in for my initial mapping setting in ten days. Really appreciate your diligence and follow through.
And glad for you that you found that running helps. I’m keeping that in mind, that I could get an exercise routine going while I’m feeling good…and that could help manage things in the long run.
I'm so happy to hear that TMS worked very well. Sleep apnea can be treated, and I wish you the best .B
Really appreciate everything you've shared in your videos. I'm about to begin TMS treatments myself and I'm incredibly anxious about it. Hearing what you've experienced has helped prepare me for what may be in store for me. I can't thank you enough!
I hope it goes well! Hang in there!
Thank you so much for your videos. It has given me hope and information to try to help my daughters depression. I applaud you and pray that you stay healthy both physically and mentally.
Your daughter is lucky she has help from you! Keep it up! I made a new video recently about my experience with another treatment called Spravato, but beware it's not as safe for younger people.
Thanks for continuing to document your journey for those of us who are on this journey as first timers. What about Ketamine treatment? They said it helps
you are a miracle!!
Hey Kristin! I have done 14 days of TMS so far, and my PHQ-9 is now at 15. I am currently feeling the same kind of dip that you felt during treatment. I feel the same kind of hopeless that you described, where you knew TMS worked for others but thought it probably wouldn't work for you. I just wanted to let you know that your videos are extremely encouraging to me, and I hope that my treatment turns out as well for me as yours did for you. You should post another video update soon and let us know if you're still feeling better. One thing I'm nervous about is that TMS will work for me for a while, but then I will start relapsing again (like what you described). Can you keep us posted on whether or not it continues to work for you? Thank you so much for making these videos!!!
I’m so glad I could encourage you! I’m currently doing well. Running is boosting my mood and I’m stopping drinking regularly. I’m going to start doing twice monthly maintenance next month so that I hopefully don’t relapse again. Honestly though, even though I had a relapse last spring, those months of feeling good were so so worth it. I’ll work on a new video. Hang in there! If the results aren’t coming towards the end, ask your doctor to re-map!
Hei katie is it helped you?
Thank you for your vulnerability. The ending was fantastic to hear!
I'm nearing a year from posting this and I still feel good!
Im meeting with a doctor today regarding TMS. Are you also taking medication?
@@RL-hl8tw Yes, I take Wellbutrin and lexapro. I tried to start easing off of one of them, but I started having depression symptoms again, so I'd rather just keep taking the meds and feeling good. The combination of meds and TMS works for me.
@@HookerTheWriter Thank you for responding. I have bad anxiety. I'm hoping it works for me.
@@HookerTheWriter That's so great to hear!
First, thank you so much for your honesty and transparency. Was there ever a time when antidepressants worked for you and if so, which one? I have been on so many antidepressants and none seem to work or the side affects are so awful I cannot lead a normal life. For a while now meditation and yoga have worked quite a bit, with an occasional rough patch. Currently I am in quite the rough patch. To give you an idea how rough, my PHQ9 score is a 26. Really having a hard time and I just want something that will actually work. I am currently waiting on a call back to set up a consultation.
Right now I take both Wellbutrin and Lexapro (on top of other treatments like TMS and esketamine) and they help me maintain my mood between TMS and Esketamine treatments. I used to take Venlafaxine and it worked well, but it suddenly stopped working and the withdrawal symptoms are basically the same as street drugs. I would not recommend! I probably took prozac and some other ones that would work for a while and then I'd have to switch. It can be so frustrating to spend six weeks waiting to see if a drug will work.
I hope you qualify for something like TMS or esketamine. I know it might feel like you'll never be happy again, but you really can be! Keep pushing through!
Hello, thank you for sharing your videos. I hope you've been well. I wanted to check-in to see how things have been since this last video. I am interested in TMS. Now that it's been a year later, was TMS worth it for you? Also, I wanted to see if you changed medications too and if that's made a big impact.
YES TMS was worth it. It has been more than a year since I posted this video, my meds have stayed the same. I'm afraid to quit the meds because I don't have time for some kind of emotional crash. I was starting to feel a little blue again, so I'm in the midst of getting TMS for the third time. A few weeks in and I feel great! I'm making another before/after video, but it won't be as dramatic as my first one. I didn't wait for my depression to get severe this time, I nipped in the bud. Since it works for most people, it would probably be well worth your time to try it!
That's great to hear how well this has worked for you! Today I called for a consultation in my local area. Sounds like this might be well worth the $. Thank you again for sharing.
Hey, thanks for making these update videos. I feel that these types of videos are more helpful to me than the lectures I usually watch. I can't put my finger on exactly why but it holds more weight to me. I'm going to be trying TMS soon hopefully and it's nice to have an honest review from someone going through something similar to me. Do you know if age has anything to do with the effectiveness of TMS? I'm 19 and just wondering if that has anything to do with anything.
I don’t know if age contributes. I would imagine that older brains are more stubborn about changing neural pathways, but, again, I don’t actually know. I hope it goes well for you!!
@@spiderbricks6578 Thanks! I'll stay optimistic.
Kristin, I really hope you feel better after the second round of TMS. I just finished my first round of 36 treatments last month and it did have an improvement, i feel more productive however i am going to go into maintenance right away. I think the key to TMS is to start maintenance right away and not go months without having a single session. From one fellow person with depression to another, my message is stay hopeful and keep strong. Let me know how you progress, i am scheduled to begin my maintenance next week so I hope it goes well for me too. Best wishes to you
Ramiro Valdes I really ought to start maintenance. Thanks for the encouragement!
@@HookerTheWriter My pleasure, hope everything goes well with you!
Thank you for your video
I am so weak running is too difficult........TMS is not covered by insurance here.....- how did u motivate yourself to run....I can barely wall a few blocks ......I have a murmur in the right side of chest? causing my extreme fatigue......... - what should I do next?
Is TMS .....similar in some respects to ECT?
its a miracle!!!
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You have the most beautiful compassionate eyes so as a simple man I feel the urge to reply. 👀 Found your channel because I follow multiple channels involving mental health and I'm basically having my own problems. I had not heard of TMS but I will do some reading. Psylocibin only works during the trip but not after it for me. To be fair, some antipsychotics work quite well but I would simply like to order MAOI's off the internet which is of course risky. Currently I'm on sertraline, quetiapine and a little bit of Xanax. It kind of does the job but the negative mindset is terribly hard to override with anything. Kratom which works on opiate receptors works quite well but needless to say it's psychologically addictive.
I won't watch all your videos (sorry!) but I'd like to ask what your book will be about more specifically? Take care.
The book I was referring to in this video was a humorous sci-fi collection called Idiots and Robots. Later this year, though, I plan to put out a humorous memoir type book about depression. It will be called Silly Depressed.
I hope you find a treatment that works for you!
@@HookerTheWriter a humorous book about depression ... That's totally an interesting approach towards it that triggers my genuine interest. Good luck finishing it!
Well I’m about to embark on TMS journey and researching anything I can find on a subject. Maybe I’ll make a video myself one day on this… even though it’s scary to talk about depression 😢. And I am buying your book! 😊 thanks for being honest and sharing your journey of TMS with us!
I did my first treatment of tms last may and I was feeling so much better didn’t really need medication and I was the happiest ever didn’t have no bad thoughts they turned out to good ones my doctor suggested another round even though I was happy and started feeling more depressed now then ever and my anxiety is up I’m seeing another doctor for tms because i don’t feel like me anymore
I’m so sorry you’re not feeling right! Going to a different doctor for another opinion is a great idea. I hope you’re feeling better soon!
How long were you depressed prior to getting treatment?
Thank you for these videos, evertime I feel like crap I come back and watch them because they give me hope. Thankfully the clinic doesnt require prior authorization from the new insurance I have so Im hoping it speeds things up. Im hoping I get the same results cause ya boy isn't feeling too hot😂😂😂
SuperSavagek2 hang on to hope! TMS is great! If it doesn’t work, you’ll try something else. Something will work!
Thank you I really hope so😊
Just wondering, how are you going in for treatment if you work a full-time job? That’s kind of my position right now.
I'm a stay at home mom. I was able to go at 8am every time before my husband went to work. Maybe your place of work would accommodate you? Or perhaps you could find a place that offers sessions very early or late. I hope you get the opportunity. I know, the schedule for this treatment is the downside of it.
Hey! You should look into getting an FMLA leave! They don't have to be continuous, they can also be intermittent for doctor's appointments and such. You can also look into requesting this treatment be an ADA accommodation and you can flex your hours around it.
Dear Kristin, I am a psychiatrist and am planning to open TMS service in Jersey. I think your blog could be very valuable for prospective clients and I wonder you would give me permission to place a link to your videos on my website? Kind regards and all best Jack
Yes, I believe my videos are shareable, feel free to embed them on your website
Hi @user-ni
Jack, where in NJ? Ive been looking for a tms. I was looking at Greenbrook but they havent been very responsive, oddly
Thanks in advance!
have you tried red light therapy at home to bolster the effects and help with the blues?
No, I’ve never heard of it. I’ll look into it 🌈
My ears haven't stopped ringing since I was injured by TMS
Tell us more...
@@stephencarlsbad At first I had depression and no tinnitus. I was told there's no chance of long term side effects and 66% chance my depression will be cured. So I allowed myself to be injured for 3 visits of TMS. Now I suffer from constant ear ringing and sensitivity to noise. Dr Hutton said, "you were offered earplugs." That is a lie. Why do I need earplugs if it doesn't cause tinnitus?
Dr Hutton says some "other" traumatic brain injury must have happened to me during that week when the only thing I did was get TMS. It's a high powered electromagnet that they use to cause a seizure in every patient they call "mapping"--a HUGE red flag.
Now I have depression and tinnitus and hyperacusis.
If you know the Milgram experiment then you know the instruction manual for TMS.
@@thecam0073 Sorry to hear that you have these unfortunate results.
I've heard that TMS doesnt cause seizures because it doesnt use an electrical charge, it supposedly uses a magnetic field. Does this make any sense to you? Ive never had it done so I cant say what you went through etc. But I am curious to learn more about your situation. Id also find an attorney and start a malpractice lawsuit if I were you.
@@stephencarlsbad look up "TMS mapping." It is the induction of a seizure and thr first thing they do to every TMS victim.
Did your insurance approve extra sessions of TMS before your 30th session? My doc says we can’t apply for more sessions until 1 weeks before the 36th session. Then it goes to a “peer to peer review” which takes a week and they said usually it’s denied unless the patient appeals it after that so i could be waiting weeks after my 36th session. 😢
I had no lapse in treatment and apparently there was no trouble having extra sessions approved. My insurance is a religious not-for-profit, so maybe they’re more generous? I’m sorry you’re having trouble! The sessions you e already had will continue to help. Hang in there!
@@HookerTheWriter Thanks, when did your doc apply for extra sessions and what reason did he/she tell insurance?
@@venture9692 I don’t know when she applied. It’s been years since I was treated. She probably told them that the treatment was working but not enough- that I could get even better. Sorry I’m not more helpful.
Hi Kristin. How are you making out now?
Mood-wise, I'm doing great! I'm unfortunately exhausted from sleep apnea and low iron and I'll probably do before-and-afters about those. Thankfully, though, no more depression for some time now.
Kristin how are you what kind of company used? Is it brainsway?
I'm doing well. Just wrapping up my third round of TMS and will put out an update soon. The machine they use is Neurostar.
@@HookerTheWriter did it help you to tape off medications?
@@user-xq6wn3bd5o no, I still take meds. I haven’t really tried because I know that there will be a period of withdrawal and I’m not in a good position to go through that.
@@HookerTheWriter you should start try tape off medications
I am almost done with my initial 36 sessions of TMS. Sadly for me there has been almost no improvement and the intensity required for me made the treatments quite painful so I really don’t want to do it again.
I’m sorry it’s not working. Right now I’m doing esketamine treatment and will update soon. It’s actually kind of enjoyable, to me at least. Don’t stop trying things 💙
If you don't mind me asking, have you found any successful treatments?
@@erikalynch781 sadly I have not. I’m currently doing an intensive outpatient program. I’m half way through but no improvement yet. I’ve been calling offices about Spravato(Esketamine) to try next.
I did an update about esketamine. I hope you're able to try it! @@emilywilhite5807
When treating depression, you can't reply on treatments alone. You have to put in the effort too. Exorcizing and healthy eating makes a huge difference.
I totally agree. So many little things can help.
@@HookerTheWriter you had an exorcism !😉
actually how did your doctor measure the maintenance stage, should you do it monthly maybe?
My doctor said that for maintenance I should do at least twice a month, but maintainance is out of pocket so I haven’t done it yet. Waiting to be in a better spot financially.
@@HookerTheWriter Without your sharing, actually I know nothing. I have a very bad experience of TMS because it is wrong procedure, once per week from start till the end. In Hong Kong, TMS is not within the scope of insurance coverage. Overall, I have not experienced TMS but I am afraid of if it does not work. If it works, the maintanence stage is still in my concern.
@@HookerTheWriter Twice a month for How long?
@@nathanchow3608 Twice per month indefinitely. The procedure that my insurance covers is at least 36 treatments over 6 weeks, but the doctor can request more. Then, it is ideal if you can do twice a month indefinitely, but it's out of pocket.
Kristin Hooker Do you know anyone in maintenance stage? How are they? The doc always tell me successful cases. I wonder.
How did you get insurance to approve 11 more sessions beyond 36? What symptoms warrant additional sessions?
The doctor requested it. The insurance company places a lot of stock in things like the PHQ-9 score, so if my score showed that I hadn't improved enough, they were willing to give more.
@@HookerTheWriter So insurance looked at when your PHQ-9 score started to increase during the previous course of TMS? Then did they test your PHQ-9 score months after this prior course of TMS to show treatment wasn’t durable? When I went for TMS 6 months ago the effects didn’t last long more than several weeks. Now I’m doing another course but my doctor only applied to get 36 sessions approved this time again. I’ve heard if the effects stop working within 2 months of treatment then insurance won’t approve any further courses of TMS because you’re considered a “non-responder” so I’m careful of what I tell my doctor so I don’t get thrown into the category of “non-responder”. At what points did they measure your score and how high was it? Thanks for all the videos, they’re very encouraging!
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 yes, when I wanted to get TMS again, they saw from my phq9 last time that it improved my condition. If you don’t want to be labeled a non-responder, I suppose that if before treatment I was between two answers on the phq 9, I’d choose the worse score, then later give slightly more optimistic answers. Not lie, but if you could go one way or the other.
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 during my first round of TMS my score went from over twenty to one, I think. They tested the phq once a week, I believe
@@HookerTheWriter Yeah, I made sure to do that and insurance has approved a 2nd course of TMS I will be starting soon. But when did they test your PHQ9 which prompted requesting additional sessions for the next course of TMS?
How much was your treatment or can you get referrals?
The first step to getting TMS is to call a TMS clinic for a consultation. They interview you, then THEY take your information to your insurance company and make a case that they should cover the treatment. I ended up paying a $10 copay for each visit, so 30 sessions is $300.
@@HookerTheWriter Thanks for this advice. I've had ADHD all my life and struggle with executive dysfunction. I take supplements like Tyrosine which increases dopamine and helps a lot but I'd rather be cured and not dependent on supplements or stimulant or have to worry about bad days and lack of motivation.
@@stephencarlsbadDid you end up getting TMS for ADHD? If so, what protocol? As far as I know insurance doesn’t cover it since it’s considered off label for ADHD.
@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 I havent heard back yet. Its fine though because I found a nice therapy for my ADHD.
I used Dihexa and it changed how my brains relationship with adenosine (the sleep enzyme).
I dont get sleepy and brain fog much anymore.
I also drink a Red Bull or two in the morning and the caffeine and Taurine now suppress adenosine while stimulating ATP(energy production) in the brain.
I have motivation, clear focus and clear cognition now.
I believe that the Dihexa changed receptor sensitivities and modulatory processes in my brains neurochemistry.
Im still interested in TMS but if I dont get it, I wont be crushed since I now have ADHD managed far better than before.
I was injured by TMS. Permanent ear ringing for 4 years straight.
Was it dTMS? Brainsway?
@@JacobAHull-nx6rx neurostar tms in pasadena california
What does PHQ9 mean?
PHQ 9 is a quiz that helps you determine the severity of your depression. It's very helpful to track how you feel over time and can be eye opening if your depression crept in slowly and you sort of didn't realize it was happening. Here: www.mdcalc.com/calc/1725/phq9-patient-health-questionnaire9
Do you also have ibs symptoms?
No. That is connected to anxiety though, isn’t it? I would imagine that alleviating anxiety would help that
@@HookerTheWriter IBS and anxiety are indeed correlated but IBS can have multiple root causes and even mask serious physical issues unrelated to mental health.
95% of our neurotransmitters like dopamine come from the gut microbiota so you can imagine that gut ailments can have an impact on mood especially if you are consuming foods that kill off beneficial gut microbes like fast foods, high sugar diet and processed food that contain preservatives that are meant to have a long shelf life. The preservatives are great at killing microbes however when we eat these processed foods, we invariably kill the microbes in our gut that are responsible for making our dopamine and maintaining our feeling of wellbeing among other things.
The way gut microbes work to maintain our mood is basically the same process that we use to make alcohol using yeast and sugar.
Our microbe colonies grow when fertilized and feed them proper nutrients, just like yeast does when its fed sugar. As the yeast feeds, it produces a byproduct called alcohol. The byproduct that our feeding gut microbes produce are neurotransmitters like dopamine. So feed your gut microbes the most appropriate foods possible and you'll treat your mood and your IBS at the same time.
For people who are clinically depressed, I don't understand why a doctor would prescribe SSRIs since they are inhibitory. A depressed brain needs stimulation and excitation which would be increasing dopamine, not serotonin.
I have a feeling that your SSRIs which increase serotonin and depress dopamine are the cause of your relapses.
Serotonin is on the opposite end of the neurotransmitter spectrum opposite from dopamine and the two neurotransmitters offset each other.
The FDA came out with a recent finding stating SSRIs dont work for treating depression.
Well? Now you know why. And the doctors who never figured this out or thought to ask questions about the obvious elephant in the room are complete idiots in my opinion.
You should be taking L-tyrosine daily which is an amino acid that converts into dopamine inside the gut. 95% of our neurotransmitters are made in the gut.
In fact, if you are taking stimulants and you stack it with Tyrosine, you should be able to lower your Adderall or Ritalin dose by half and down to 1/4th while on daily tyrosine.
Also, if depressed or you have ADHD NEVER supplement serotonin analogues like 5htp or melatonin or tryptophan since these all have an inhibitory effect and with further depress the brain and in my opinion, you should ditch the SSRIs as well.
saddest part for me with this is I see a huge disconnect in her eyes... makes me wonder if it's from TMS or if it's always been there
Damn you fine
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