He Never fails in fitting some more knowledge between my ears. Even if I'm leaking it faster than it's going in at this point in me life. Thank you, Professor Banks !
Bought my first Banks Engineering products 30 years ago for my '93 K3500 Chevy dually. It was an awesome kit. I now have all of the Banks offerings for my 2017 3500HD GMC dually and love them all! Mr. Banks is an icon in engineering, not just automotive, but engineering in general. He doesn't stray from the fundamentals of engineering. He uses engineering to guide the design process. It is painfully clear how superior his products are over the competition. I learn from him on every video. Thank you, Sir.
OMG, i grew up reading Gales hot rodding books, back when books were a thing, and hes still going strong. I watched this vid with my grandson and he asked me who the old man was? I told him that's not an old man boy, that's a legend.
Great information! Now, please install a Banks CAI, iDash and Derringer on that puppy and run that test again multiple times to show us how the Banks power adders affect the HP and torque levels and that torque rise percentage at different power level settings! I’ve installed those items and a pedal monster on my 2020 L5P but I don’t have a chassis dyno to determine how the combination affects those power levels. It would be really interesting if Gale would show and tell us how, why, and how much these mods can improve the power of this already impressive engine.
Loved the simple walk through and explaining the numbers and how and why your system is best. I’ve never considered the dyno numbers with hood open or hood closed, but you make an excellent point.
@@nou8257 How much would a truck like yours sell for right now and how much would it cost to bulletproof the engine and trans? I have been there. My parents bought a 2005 f350 6.0 with a partial bulletproof job on the engine, multiple tunes, intake, large free flowing exhaust, etc. and only 75000 miles. It pulled like a beast and I considered buying and building one like it. Instead, I ended up with some good paying work and bought a 2020 Chevy z71 LTZ CCLB with all the extras (same as the high country trucks and same price at $74k sticker and $68k after rebates and a deal from a neighbor in June of 2020). The L5p with the derringer and throttle monster spanks the dually f350 with a hot tune when empty and the L5P tows far nicer. It is never in the wrong gear our out of gears and never runs out of power, towing the same toyhauler and dump trailer with equipment in it. The 6.0 sounds amazing when you get on it but the lack of exhaust smell and how quiet the duramax is while towing even a decent load up steep grades is very nice for long drives with middle aged ears that have been beat over the years. The ride and comfort as well as cameras and all the other features is great. My other pickup, was my daily driver, is a 79 Chevy C20 with a well built 406 SBC and gearvendors overdrive. That ford is great, but if you are willing to spend the money (I didn't already have an older diesel and I do a lot of out of town work) the duramax is a beast with luxury.
@@CGT80 I was offered 30k for my truck couple years ago and I turned it down. the value of something differs to each person and this truck is what I wanted so when I found it I bought it. And there is no bullet proofing that is a very over used term with 6.0's. my truck is a 6.4 and to bullet proof it as you said well its kinda already been done as the emissions system is gone it is what killed those trucks regardless of what a large number of people who have never owned one will yell against them. But to toss a number out there if I just went and put 6.7 steel pistons into my 6.4 did some other upgrades to it i'd say I could do that in the 10-15k range with me doing the majority of the work since I have plenty of tools to take the engine out and disassemble it for the machine shop. I can also go the cheaper route too buy the adapter kit and put a 12v cummins in it for around 10k or less and then it would have one of the best engines ever produced. I tow with my 02 f350 7.3 with a zf6 speed manual trans have easily pulled around 20k with it no real problem just about never have had to leave 6th gear pulling a hill with it vs automatic transmissions which usually die when used for towing and don't know when to shift correctly to use the engines torque. The exhaust smell of a diesel never bothered me. I grew up around diesels and all kinds of cars I prefer the old diesels to the new ones that burn my nose and eyes with their dpf junk espically in regen. But hey the duramax works for you that's great. My old trucks work for my applications pulling my trailers.
Your videos are amazing. I love all the methodical data, proof of functionality, why your improvements work, etc. If I ever get a diesel, it'll be your parts that go into it!
6:22 I can attest to that, I recently pulled 20k up a 10 degree incline at a landfill in Texas while in 4 wheel drive low and it can stay at 1600 in 1st or 2nd gear if you throttle it just right but the beautiful thing is, the truck doesn’t need to stay there. I climbed that hill many times and usually with at least 18k behind me and more often then not it would shift up to third during the climb. Strong truck.
@@dallasbyler2946 I don't know about the Dodge but my Chevy can be forced to stay in 1st even with the automatic, just shift into manual mode and modulate the throttle to keep it at 1600 rpm.
I was watching this on my tv and thinking to myself, is it just me or is Gale freakin awesome? Opened the app n my phone to check. Well, it wasn’t just me. I’ve never owned a diesel and am loving the videos!
Very informative. If a manual transmission option was available, wouldn't the peak torque number be more relevant (usable)? And if so wouldn't this be a nice message to send to the GM Factory regarding a manual option for some configurations?
Emmissions plain and simple. The 10 speed transmission is so the engine can be kept in optimal RPM for Emmission control. The manual transmission version in 2008 for instance was still at LB7 power levels. Auto equipped (LMM) was much higher. Not everyone can drive a manual successfully with todays power pulling 30k and not kill the clutch. Automatics always pull more consistently.
It is perfectly reasonable that the transmission control does not allow the engine to lug down to peak torque because an engine's peak torque rating is essentially meaningless. It's torque at the wheels that is important and at any given vehicle speed the maximum wheel torque is achieved when the gearing allows the engine to run at its power peak, not the torque peak. The designers of the transmission control know this so they program it to provide the best real-world performance. As Gale correctly said the only time that peak engine torque comes into play is in first gear but that is theoretical in the real world since you'll run out of traction before you run out of engine torque.
I like the front end of my HD Ultimate (22-23). Unfortunately they did not install the larger screen but everything else is good to go. The new Duramax is nice with the extra HP. Altyhough mine has plenty.
Well done Mr Banks. I always enjoy watching your videos and listening to what you have to say when sitting on my couch in Perth Western Australia. Regards
Just grabbed a 2024 Denali 3500 dually, Love the Powerstroke, but as long as Ford keeps using a CP4 fuel pump it’s not an option I’m willing to consider.
Excellent information! That said, I’d like to see a side by side comparison between this configuration and a lwb dually to show if there is a significant reduction in hp/tq at the wheels because of the longer drivetrain and the additional rotating mass of the dual wheels/tires.
Most people will never understand what horsepower means and will continue to think that only the torque number does work, torque does nothing without rpm and that combination equals horsepower. Horsepower equals how much work you can do in a given time and that's what matters.
The only thing I would say for the dyno is for testing purposes with this specific truck… wouldnt it make more sense to put a fan directly into the hood scoop because it is in fact functional?
@@2nickles647 no but they’re big on being realistic so real world driving the hood scoop would be channeling the same amount of air that’s already being blown at the truck to resemble the driving speed and directing it to the air intake. If banks wants to be as real world as possible then they should also blow air into the ram air hood
My 2020 f350 will let me lug back to 1600 no problem. Manual mode makes all the difference. The 2020-22 6.7L makes more than 1000lbft from 1400-2400rpm(at the crank) will be interested to see if you get a 2023 Suoer Duty on your rollers.
on GM in manual mode teh ECM can still downshift. just locks out teh upper gears. Ford is the only one with a real "manual" mode. no 3rd gear starts either on Ram or GM.
@Duramax Adventures you can lugg the Ford back to 900rpm if you really want to. I always use the engine brake, as it locks the TC and slightly changes the shift schedule. Not as much as tow/haul but it holds gears far better.
PLEASE BANKS! When will we be able to manually regen our 2024 Duramax? A lot of us are having to go to the dealer every week for a manual regen and they have no fix and no eta… Do you guys have an eta on your end?
My Ford has the 10-speed, from what I understand is basically the same unit. In manual mode, you can lug it to unbelievably low revs. I can make it run at the torque peek at any given time. Why not this one???
there is a huge misconception around that caused by the fact that GM updated several transmissions at the same time. The 10 speed that is shared between GM & Ford is in the 150/1500 lines . the 10 speed they use for the 6.6 Duramax is unique to GM
Thanks fo the video & test however you and your crew missed a very important aspect to cooling - your big fan works for the radiator and inter-cooler, but its sits too low to be beneficial for the air intake on the hood. My recommendation is if your looking for valid dyno test results, you'll need to jack up the fan unit to include the hoods air intake since this is vitally important when your looking for accurate results. Mike
About twenty years ago, maybe more, dual horsepower rating came in on diesel’s at the time, the feature being tied to road speed/ground speed. This maybe a reason why the peak torque is unobtainable in lower speeds, the ECM knows you’re going slower and limits power. European engines are like this still, but no manufacturer wants to say their engines are de-rated in 1st and second gears
Whoever had the idea to make the graph's text fuzzy until Banks put his glasses on gets credit for making me laugh out loud.
He Never fails in fitting some more knowledge between my ears. Even if I'm leaking it faster than it's going in at this point in me life. Thank you, Professor Banks !
No chit hu 😂😂😂
Yah he’s awesome!
100!!!!
birth to 3 yo +- learning is wfo and then pruning of mental connections until we(me) start losing everything .
Can't get enough of Gale on this channel, he's a national treasure
Bought my first Banks Engineering products 30 years ago for my '93 K3500 Chevy dually. It was an awesome kit. I now have all of the Banks offerings for my 2017 3500HD GMC dually and love them all! Mr. Banks is an icon in engineering, not just automotive, but engineering in general. He doesn't stray from the fundamentals of engineering. He uses engineering to guide the design process. It is painfully clear how superior his products are over the competition. I learn from him on every video. Thank you, Sir.
OMG, i grew up reading Gales hot rodding books, back when books were a thing, and hes still going strong. I watched this vid with my grandson and he asked me who the old man was? I told him that's not an old man boy, that's a legend.
Legit Gale is a man after my own heart.
Data. Testing and thoughtful modifications along with careful implementation is super helpful
Great information! Now, please install a Banks CAI, iDash and Derringer on that puppy and run that test again multiple times to show us how the Banks power adders affect the HP and torque levels and that torque rise percentage at different power level settings! I’ve installed those items and a pedal monster on my 2020 L5P but I don’t have a chassis dyno to determine how the combination affects those power levels. It would be really interesting if Gale would show and tell us how, why, and how much these mods can improve the power of this already impressive engine.
Loved the simple walk through and explaining the numbers and how and why your system is best. I’ve never considered the dyno numbers with hood open or hood closed, but you make an excellent point.
The numbers going from blurry to sharp when Gale put on his glasses. Nice editing touch! 😂
Slick! I wasn't fully paying attention and wondered why the numbers were blurry.....that is a good one.
You are on another level Banks! You and your crew are like the NASA of automotive. Thank you for your desire to test, engineer, explain and repeat!
A classy trustworthy and most knowledgeable guy. Always enjoy your videos, thanks very much for sharing your knowledge.
Finally someone talking my language of torque rise, as we have done forever in truck and mining, now I feel at home watching this
luv the way this bloke explains a dyno
900ft-lbs of torque at the wheels. That's awesome
my tuned 6.4 powerstroke has pretty much that to the rear wheels and its from 08 with a tune intake and exhaust
@@nou8257 This has a warranty to back it and your truck has a prayer to hold it together.
@@Texpete88 and mine is 100k less
@@nou8257 How much would a truck like yours sell for right now and how much would it cost to bulletproof the engine and trans? I have been there. My parents bought a 2005 f350 6.0 with a partial bulletproof job on the engine, multiple tunes, intake, large free flowing exhaust, etc. and only 75000 miles. It pulled like a beast and I considered buying and building one like it. Instead, I ended up with some good paying work and bought a 2020 Chevy z71 LTZ CCLB with all the extras (same as the high country trucks and same price at $74k sticker and $68k after rebates and a deal from a neighbor in June of 2020). The L5p with the derringer and throttle monster spanks the dually f350 with a hot tune when empty and the L5P tows far nicer. It is never in the wrong gear our out of gears and never runs out of power, towing the same toyhauler and dump trailer with equipment in it. The 6.0 sounds amazing when you get on it but the lack of exhaust smell and how quiet the duramax is while towing even a decent load up steep grades is very nice for long drives with middle aged ears that have been beat over the years. The ride and comfort as well as cameras and all the other features is great. My other pickup, was my daily driver, is a 79 Chevy C20 with a well built 406 SBC and gearvendors overdrive. That ford is great, but if you are willing to spend the money (I didn't already have an older diesel and I do a lot of out of town work) the duramax is a beast with luxury.
@@CGT80 I was offered 30k for my truck couple years ago and I turned it down. the value of something differs to each person and this truck is what I wanted so when I found it I bought it.
And there is no bullet proofing that is a very over used term with 6.0's. my truck is a 6.4 and to bullet proof it as you said well its kinda already been done as the emissions system is gone it is what killed those trucks regardless of what a large number of people who have never owned one will yell against them.
But to toss a number out there if I just went and put 6.7 steel pistons into my 6.4 did some other upgrades to it i'd say I could do that in the 10-15k range with me doing the majority of the work since I have plenty of tools to take the engine out and disassemble it for the machine shop.
I can also go the cheaper route too buy the adapter kit and put a 12v cummins in it for around 10k or less and then it would have one of the best engines ever produced.
I tow with my 02 f350 7.3 with a zf6 speed manual trans have easily pulled around 20k with it no real problem just about never have had to leave 6th gear pulling a hill with it vs automatic transmissions which usually die when used for towing and don't know when to shift correctly to use the engines torque.
The exhaust smell of a diesel never bothered me. I grew up around diesels and all kinds of cars I prefer the old diesels to the new ones that burn my nose and eyes with their dpf junk espically in regen.
But hey the duramax works for you that's great. My old trucks work for my applications pulling my trailers.
Gale Banks is the absolute master of engine design! What a legend!
Always a learning experience watching his videos.
Love the production quality and b-roll. Even on these simpler films👍
Thank you SOOOOOO much for the audio balancing! I really enjoyed this video, mad respect!!!
Damn I love this channel & Gale. Real science/engineering based numbers/advice & no marketing B/S.
when will the cold air intake and derringer come out??!!
Really interesting. I really hope that Mr Banks and the after market community are gonna come up with something useful for the 3L duramax.
Gale is such a legend.
I wonder if the fans could be timed with the dyno so as to provide the same wind speed as what is on the gauge cluster, that would be cool.
technically could be possible. would require a redesign of both dyno and fan to, probably cost so much to do and probably wont make much difference.
Considering the truck maxes out at 96 or whatever it is, the 60 mph fan is good enough.
This guy is awesome! He has a really good way of explaining everything
Would be interesting to see how the dmax compares to a super duty and a ram. Any plans to strap either of those trucks on the rolls?
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I would like to also know what they produce from the same dyno.
I was looking for any comparison videos too.
Dynod my 2023 ford yesterday. 493hp, 1003tq.
@@arod6789 Holy crap! Wow!!
Your videos are amazing. I love all the methodical data, proof of functionality, why your improvements work, etc. If I ever get a diesel, it'll be your parts that go into it!
6:22 I can attest to that, I recently pulled 20k up a 10 degree incline at a landfill in Texas while in 4 wheel drive low and it can stay at 1600 in 1st or 2nd gear if you throttle it just right but the beautiful thing is, the truck doesn’t need to stay there. I climbed that hill many times and usually with at least 18k behind me and more often then not it would shift up to third during the climb. Strong truck.
If you had a ford you could lug it down to 1600rpm but Chevy and ram don’t offer that with the manual mode
@@dallasbyler2946 I don't know about the Dodge but my Chevy can be forced to stay in 1st even with the automatic, just shift into manual mode and modulate the throttle to keep it at 1600 rpm.
Can you do this with the other brand trucks? That would be a great comparison
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GREAT VIDEO GALE!!! GREAT DYNO AS WELL. GREAT EDUCATION!!! THANKS FOR SHARING! I LEARNED SO MUCH.
GB is a badass,awesome he shares with us.
Anyone else notice the check engine light on?
You are on another level Banks!
Good to know that you have to simulate the wind in the air intake
Always enjoy and learn when banks is talkin! 👍
The “artwork” on the wood is the topographic relief map of Denali…
I was watching this on my tv and thinking to myself, is it just me or is Gale freakin awesome? Opened the app n my phone to check. Well, it wasn’t just me. I’ve never owned a diesel and am loving the videos!
Love these updated videos please keep them coming
Very informative. If a manual transmission option was available, wouldn't the peak torque number be more relevant (usable)? And if so wouldn't this be a nice message to send to the GM Factory regarding a manual option for some configurations?
Emmissions plain and simple. The 10 speed transmission is so the engine can be kept in optimal RPM for Emmission control. The manual transmission version in 2008 for instance was still at LB7 power levels. Auto equipped (LMM) was much higher. Not everyone can drive a manual successfully with todays power pulling 30k and not kill the clutch. Automatics always pull more consistently.
It is perfectly reasonable that the transmission control does not allow the engine to lug down to peak torque because an engine's peak torque rating is essentially meaningless. It's torque at the wheels that is important and at any given vehicle speed the maximum wheel torque is achieved when the gearing allows the engine to run at its power peak, not the torque peak. The designers of the transmission control know this so they program it to provide the best real-world performance. As Gale correctly said the only time that peak engine torque comes into play is in first gear but that is theoretical in the real world since you'll run out of traction before you run out of engine torque.
I like the front end of my HD Ultimate (22-23). Unfortunately they did not install the larger screen but everything else is good to go. The new Duramax is nice with the extra HP. Altyhough mine has plenty.
Huge gale fan love the work from australia always learning things every video
Well done Mr Banks. I always enjoy watching your videos and listening to what you have to say when sitting on my couch in Perth Western Australia. Regards
We love you Gale!!
When is the Derringer going to be available for this truck?
I’d love to see a series like this on Ford’s new 6.7 HO!
I dyno'd yesterday. 493hp, 1003tq
At the wheels?
Just grabbed a 2024 Denali 3500 dually, Love the Powerstroke, but as long as Ford keeps using a CP4 fuel pump it’s not an option I’m willing to consider.
Dyno the big 3, curious what they put down at the tire.
Wow!! That engine is a beast! And it was only stock...
Just got mine yesterday
Excellent information! That said, I’d like to see a side by side comparison between this configuration and a lwb dually to show if there is a significant reduction in hp/tq at the wheels because of the longer drivetrain and the additional rotating mass of the dual wheels/tires.
That's a good idea ! I second that wish ! :D
We all know there is. Commercial chassis tend to be derated significantly
Prof. Banks leaves nothing to chance. Every variable is attempted to be created! Thank you sir
Just ordered the 2500HD Chevy LT with Duramax
Once again more great stuff.
That new GMC is sharp.
When you have the knowledge, you don’t bullshit, you just make a video like this gentleman 👏🏼
Please Gale do an episode on exhaust systems and negative pressure waves on VNT diesel engines
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The best dyno setup that youtube has to offer
Mr. Banks is a National Treasure!
Is there any chance that you will evaluate the 3.0 Liter Duramax?
DANG !!!!! I will never need a Duramax powered100k Denali but I sure do enjoy seeing this degree of engineering prowess displayed by sir Banks.
GMC HD trucks have been looking better and better with ever face lift. This is a gorgeous beast.
Indeed
Just seen a '23 Super Duty for the first time today...ugh. The GMC Sierra is the best looking pickup at the moment.
@@outbacker292 agreed, the ford redesign makes the gm look like gold
@@5.43v just saw a new Ford super duty. The headlight design makes it look bug eyed like the maverick. 🤮
Agreed, those new Superdutys are ugly as heck!
Most people will never understand what horsepower means and will continue to think that only the torque number does work, torque does nothing without rpm and that combination equals horsepower. Horsepower equals how much work you can do in a given time and that's what matters.
I hope Gale makes enough money to keep himself living forever. The auto industry needs Gale around for the long haul.
Was the check engine light on?! 😅
The only thing I would say for the dyno is for testing purposes with this specific truck… wouldnt it make more sense to put a fan directly into the hood scoop because it is in fact functional?
Does anybody run with a fan in their hood scoop all day long😁
@@2nickles647 no but they’re big on being realistic so real world driving the hood scoop would be channeling the same amount of air that’s already being blown at the truck to resemble the driving speed and directing it to the air intake. If banks wants to be as real world as possible then they should also blow air into the ram air hood
My 2020 f350 will let me lug back to 1600 no problem. Manual mode makes all the difference. The 2020-22 6.7L makes more than 1000lbft from 1400-2400rpm(at the crank) will be interested to see if you get a 2023 Suoer Duty on your rollers.
on GM in manual mode teh ECM can still downshift. just locks out teh upper gears. Ford is the only one with a real "manual" mode. no 3rd gear starts either on Ram or GM.
@@duramaxadventures5832 What's wrong with a torque converter lockup mod?
@@einfelder8262 i didnt say there was anything wrong. are you sure you are replying to teh correct comment?
I would like to see and super duty run as well.
@Duramax Adventures you can lugg the Ford back to 900rpm if you really want to. I always use the engine brake, as it locks the TC and slightly changes the shift schedule. Not as much as tow/haul but it holds gears far better.
Gale is a National (Heck UNIVERSAL) TREASURE!!!
An engineer's engineer! Outstanding information!
9:29 Ok, I spit my coffee out dammit! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Any info on the derringer for the 3.0? I would love one of your set ups for it!
Very informative. Never new there was such thing as torque rise and how aplicable that would be in driving/ towing
PLEASE BANKS! When will we be able to manually regen our 2024 Duramax? A lot of us are having to go to the dealer every week for a manual regen and they have no fix and no eta…
Do you guys have an eta on your end?
Great info! When will the air intake and monster exhaust be available for the 2024's?
Preach on GB. Truth while giving facts.
Love gale banks, now we just need to see the numbers with a dellringer tune on it😮
My Ford has the 10-speed, from what I understand is basically the same unit. In manual mode, you can lug it to unbelievably low revs. I can make it run at the torque peek at any given time. Why not this one???
there is a huge misconception around that caused by the fact that GM updated several transmissions at the same time. The 10 speed that is shared between GM & Ford is in the 150/1500 lines . the 10 speed they use for the 6.6 Duramax is unique to GM
@@andrewr2650 Except it's not at all, the 10L1000 fake Allison shares many internal components with Ford's 10 speed HD transmission.
im fairly certain that the engraving on the glove box trim is a topographical map of the mountain Denali
I just found this channel great info ordering new one.
I always like falling asleep driving in a massage chair. Lol
Absolutely beautiful truck!
I mean with parasitic loss, that motors majorly underrated. Torque is closer to 1100 atleast. That's with a fair 20% loss
Those loss percentages arent linear
I just went from the 2024 HO powerstoke to 24 duramax. Absolutely no comparison. Duramax for the win
You going to make people cry with that
This man is a motor genius
One smart guy right there.
More real world testing than others do or have.
Outstanding! Thank you Mr. Banks!
Gale Banks is a national treasure! We need to protect him at all costs!
You're right, where's Nicolas Cage? 🤔
Love the internal up grades.
Plus the L5P was already a significant improvement over the outgoing LML Duramax.
@@OneNationUnderGod. yeah I'm aware of improvements I just like to see engineer's do it right not just tune and 4.10 gears or bla bla
Gale is 100% a real one
Now I just need $100,000.00 and I can utilize this information!
The Legend at it again!
Congratulations, Gale Banks.
Thanks fo the video & test however you and your crew missed a very important aspect to cooling - your big fan works for the radiator and inter-cooler, but its sits too low to be beneficial for the air intake on the hood.
My recommendation is if your looking for valid dyno test results, you'll need to jack up the fan unit to include the hoods air intake since this is vitally important when your looking for accurate results. Mike
Need to do this with the high outputs in the cummins and powerstroke
the amazing knowledge from this man.
I have 3 more years with my 2021Chevy 3500 Duramax. I can't wait to se what they have by then!
Rainman Ray needs this truck
Can we get a tuner for 24’ L5P this spring please?!
GALE BANKS NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME WITH HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE NEW DURAMAX IN REAL WORLD NUMBERS ,NO BS HERE BOYS 👍
About twenty years ago, maybe more, dual horsepower rating came in on diesel’s at the time, the feature being tied to road speed/ground speed.
This maybe a reason why the peak torque is unobtainable in lower speeds, the ECM knows you’re going slower and limits power. European engines are like this still, but no manufacturer wants to say their engines are de-rated in 1st and second gears
Banks is the GOAT!!!
Great work! Hearing protection for the boss would be a good idea. ❤😊
When is your exhaust coming out for this truck?