Spiro Agnew, Nixon's Vice President, being corrupt during his tenure as Governor of Maryland -> Headless body of Spiro Agnew (Futurama) -> Agnew (motorcycle) ->Agnu (Robot)
If you look closer at agnu, their head is a different color from their body, I’d always interpreted this as an attempt to restore a thrall to sentience by attaching a new head.
I think that's just the way the hue wheel works on the soldier bot model, as much like the hivers, the only part that changes between the MK1 variants of skeletons is the head model. So they might have made the base head for the solderbots darker than the body. That would be why other soldierbots who have a lighter tone look like that too, but most have a darker rusted hue instead. But who knows. Maybe you're on to something. Maybe it's a Frankensteins monster type deal.
I really hope enthrallment is a possible death state for your skeleton characters in Kenshi 2. Imagine losing a battle, similar to cannibals Kenshi 1, the thralls will pick up and kidnap any Skeleton that falls in battle. They will then carry that skeleton to an enthrallment facility (Or simply to Venge.) where that skeleton will be enthralled, keeping his skills, armor, and weapons, but you lose all control over him as a player. Giving you the possibility of having to face down and defeat your old character. potentially creating a badass Boss Skeleton which roams the world.
If only soldier skeletons are thralled, it may indicate a particular combat enhancement. A sort of berserk fury survival mode. My speculation is, when a soldier skeleton is under physical and mental stress, It can redirect power from it's higher level processing to enhance it's remaining functions. Theoretically increasing the skeleton's chance to survive. Agnu resetting his CPU, yet retaining his resistance to being enthralled, suggests a defect in him particularly. Perhaps he can't access the mechanism, or has a hyperactive sense of self module.
That's an interesting idea. Shut down the brain and instead let the body act autonomously on pure combat/survival protocols. Removing the head prevents this function from being reset keeping them as combat zombies. It should be noted that many thralls are also that of Screamer units as well. Maybe screamers were designed as a sort of Vanguard unit where as Soldierbots were more like the more elite combat regiment.
I always imagined that the reason behind Agnu's broken voice is that when Ponk and Screamer attempted to enthrall her, she managed to survive the attempt at the cost of her voice. I think it'd make sense logically since enthralling mainly involves removing the head and the voice module would obviously be contained within the head as well. Plus thralls tend to make weird screeching noises akin to what Agnu makes.
To us it looks like a bunch of robot arms sticking out of a metal plug. To a skeleton it would look like a bunch of half-rotten yet unmistakably human arms sticking out of a poorly covered mass grave where those inside were obviously buried alive. I also can imagine skeletons wouldn't be too fond of the Dancing Skeleton bar sign. It would be like if some robot in real life started a bar and stole Old Whitey out of the wreck of the SS Kamloops (though how it would get to a shipwreck under Lake Superior without shorting out and dying is beyond me. Perhaps he would hire the person that stole the ring off of the dead body's finger so it could be put in a museum, whoever that disrespectful bastard was), posing and then and putting him on display. Just... Why? Why not draw a skeleton that's dancing instead of showing off the broken down body of a sentient robot like that? It's tasteless at best and downright abuse of a corpse at worst on the part of that bar owner.
Agnu probably wants to protect Beep because of the trauma they experienced. Agnu has spent 1000 years fighting to maintain their identity and sense of self while simultaneously being tortured and watched 24/7. This leaves lasting issues to the point that when you go into Venge again with agnu in your party they will start screaming and refuse to move for a bit even if you manually move them. Where as beep is a small and innocent creature. They have yet to experience the world and has their whole glorious life ahead of them. I imagine Agnu sees Beep as a diamond on the rough as it were and wants to protect that optimistic innocence. That's why they are so tight.
agnu is a female by the way! (identifying as one),unless its an oversight,in one of beeps dialogues talking about human women,when he asks who else is a woman,agnu will make a noise,actually making him go unconscious for a small while,really funny moment
Personally, I prefer the idea that the Voodoo Brothers don't have a real tie to the Legion. They are just a couple of skeletons that stumbled upon the means of thralling and now have delusions of forming their own wasteland empire.
I'm a little confused, being very new to the actual lore of Kenshi. Is there no way for the skeletons to create a sort of restore point for themselves? It seems like all they have access to is a factory reset, but if they're basically sentient computers, wouldn't it be possible to invent a back up system? Or do they lack the kind of tech to give them that framework and I just never noticed?
The tech and understanding needed to create or fully repair skeletons was lost after the fall of the 1st empire. The skeletons, while being computers, are not inherently quick learning AI we often think of. Instead, they are basically human consciousness and emotions limited by a computer based brain. In order to fix or improve themselves, they'd need to learn how through trial and error and advancement in their knowledge just like normal people. But given the limitations in their ability to maintain their skills and mental stability, it makes sense that they dont prioritize rebuilding their kind. And given that they are the very ones who destroyed the empire that created them, it makes sense their creators in the form of the 1st empire, an empire that was VERY paranoid and proactive in their defense to potential threats, would restrict their knowledge of self creation, improvement, and maitnence in a way to prevent them outpacing the empire itself. As for a backup system, I don't think they have a way to house that much data outside a sentient system. The data is so cumbersome that it ends up driving them mad if they don't purge the emotional load every so often.
@HeroInHisHead Thanks, that makes sense. I think I was inherently underestimating the raw amount of data they would need to store for that backup because "hey the bots are alive, they solved data storage issues!" But if they lost a ton of the tech knowledge to even fix themselves, it would follow they also lost access to the kind of hard drive that could store their entire consciousness in any way. Thanks for the reply!
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I rarely see any lore vids about Kenshi, so I really appreciate you making these man. Thank you so damn much and keep up what you love doing dude!!!
they are really a lot. There is just not anymore left to talk abbout . We need Kenshi 2
Watergate -> Agnu the motorcycle-> Agnu the bot -> this video
Spiro Agnew, Nixon's Vice President, being corrupt during his tenure as Governor of Maryland -> Headless body of Spiro Agnew (Futurama) -> Agnew (motorcycle) ->Agnu (Robot)
If you look closer at agnu, their head is a different color from their body, I’d always interpreted this as an attempt to restore a thrall to sentience by attaching a new head.
I think that's just the way the hue wheel works on the soldier bot model, as much like the hivers, the only part that changes between the MK1 variants of skeletons is the head model. So they might have made the base head for the solderbots darker than the body. That would be why other soldierbots who have a lighter tone look like that too, but most have a darker rusted hue instead.
But who knows. Maybe you're on to something. Maybe it's a Frankensteins monster type deal.
I suppose I just also associate it with agnu in futurama who has no head
I really hope enthrallment is a possible death state for your skeleton characters in Kenshi 2. Imagine losing a battle, similar to cannibals Kenshi 1, the thralls will pick up and kidnap any Skeleton that falls in battle. They will then carry that skeleton to an enthrallment facility (Or simply to Venge.) where that skeleton will be enthralled, keeping his skills, armor, and weapons, but you lose all control over him as a player. Giving you the possibility of having to face down and defeat your old character. potentially creating a badass Boss Skeleton which roams the world.
If only soldier skeletons are thralled, it may indicate a particular combat enhancement. A sort of berserk fury survival mode.
My speculation is, when a soldier skeleton is under physical and mental stress, It can redirect power from it's higher level processing to enhance it's remaining functions. Theoretically increasing the skeleton's chance to survive.
Agnu resetting his CPU, yet retaining his resistance to being enthralled, suggests a defect in him particularly. Perhaps he can't access the mechanism, or has a hyperactive sense of self module.
That's an interesting idea. Shut down the brain and instead let the body act autonomously on pure combat/survival protocols. Removing the head prevents this function from being reset keeping them as combat zombies. It should be noted that many thralls are also that of Screamer units as well. Maybe screamers were designed as a sort of Vanguard unit where as Soldierbots were more like the more elite combat regiment.
Man i love these Kenshi lore vids, good job on them.
Thanks for being so in depth and thorough in your videos bro. I love lore deep dives.
I always imagined that the reason behind Agnu's broken voice is that when Ponk and Screamer attempted to enthrall her, she managed to survive the attempt at the cost of her voice. I think it'd make sense logically since enthralling mainly involves removing the head and the voice module would obviously be contained within the head as well. Plus thralls tend to make weird screeching noises akin to what Agnu makes.
Very well done, with a great analysis and production quality! Graphics are amazing and smooth, thanks for another wonderful lore vid :)
Awesome, Love the lore videos !!
makes you wonder, how horrific the obedience scene was
Obedience was worse than you think #kenshi #lore #kenshi2 #history
To us it looks like a bunch of robot arms sticking out of a metal plug. To a skeleton it would look like a bunch of half-rotten yet unmistakably human arms sticking out of a poorly covered mass grave where those inside were obviously buried alive.
I also can imagine skeletons wouldn't be too fond of the Dancing Skeleton bar sign. It would be like if some robot in real life started a bar and stole Old Whitey out of the wreck of the SS Kamloops (though how it would get to a shipwreck under Lake Superior without shorting out and dying is beyond me. Perhaps he would hire the person that stole the ring off of the dead body's finger so it could be put in a museum, whoever that disrespectful bastard was), posing and then and putting him on display. Just... Why? Why not draw a skeleton that's dancing instead of showing off the broken down body of a sentient robot like that? It's tasteless at best and downright abuse of a corpse at worst on the part of that bar owner.
Spiro Theodore Agnew was the 39th vice president of the United States
What about Agnu and Beep friendship? 😅
Agnu probably wants to protect Beep because of the trauma they experienced. Agnu has spent 1000 years fighting to maintain their identity and sense of self while simultaneously being tortured and watched 24/7. This leaves lasting issues to the point that when you go into Venge again with agnu in your party they will start screaming and refuse to move for a bit even if you manually move them.
Where as beep is a small and innocent creature. They have yet to experience the world and has their whole glorious life ahead of them. I imagine Agnu sees Beep as a diamond on the rough as it were and wants to protect that optimistic innocence. That's why they are so tight.
@@HeroInHisHead This comment could be part of a video. Would love a video with your own details like this
Maybe I'll do an analysis of Beep and Agnus relationship
Keep doing these types of videos man, they're really good
Great job on this lore plus video as always a plesure to watch!!!!!!!!!! your voice is perfect for this!!! 😉
OH GOODIE, More lore :D. Thanks Hero In His Head.
agnu is a female by the way! (identifying as one),unless its an oversight,in one of beeps dialogues talking about human women,when he asks who else is a woman,agnu will make a noise,actually making him go unconscious for a small while,really funny moment
I enjoy the idea that Agnu either identifies as a female, or was just messing with his best buddy because he can. Both are acceptable answers to me.
Emperor Cyber-Beep and Empress Agnu for the 3rd Empire!
Personally, I prefer the idea that the Voodoo Brothers don't have a real tie to the Legion. They are just a couple of skeletons that stumbled upon the means of thralling and now have delusions of forming their own wasteland empire.
I'm a little confused, being very new to the actual lore of Kenshi. Is there no way for the skeletons to create a sort of restore point for themselves? It seems like all they have access to is a factory reset, but if they're basically sentient computers, wouldn't it be possible to invent a back up system? Or do they lack the kind of tech to give them that framework and I just never noticed?
The tech and understanding needed to create or fully repair skeletons was lost after the fall of the 1st empire. The skeletons, while being computers, are not inherently quick learning AI we often think of. Instead, they are basically human consciousness and emotions limited by a computer based brain. In order to fix or improve themselves, they'd need to learn how through trial and error and advancement in their knowledge just like normal people. But given the limitations in their ability to maintain their skills and mental stability, it makes sense that they dont prioritize rebuilding their kind.
And given that they are the very ones who destroyed the empire that created them, it makes sense their creators in the form of the 1st empire, an empire that was VERY paranoid and proactive in their defense to potential threats, would restrict their knowledge of self creation, improvement, and maitnence in a way to prevent them outpacing the empire itself.
As for a backup system, I don't think they have a way to house that much data outside a sentient system. The data is so cumbersome that it ends up driving them mad if they don't purge the emotional load every so often.
@HeroInHisHead Thanks, that makes sense. I think I was inherently underestimating the raw amount of data they would need to store for that backup because "hey the bots are alive, they solved data storage issues!" But if they lost a ton of the tech knowledge to even fix themselves, it would follow they also lost access to the kind of hard drive that could store their entire consciousness in any way. Thanks for the reply!
Imprisoned for 10,000 years!
1000 plus actually. Still too long.
@@HeroInHisHead Kenshi 2 actually set in 1000 years before Kenshi 1, ircc. Hope we will know more about Second Empire and Agnu’s story.
is it sad that diving into the make believe realm of random dudes sister is more fun than i ever though possible.